Kona Announces All New 2019 Kona Big Honzo

Jul 24, 2018 at 15:17
by Kona Bikes  
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PRESS RELEASE: Kona Bicycles

It all started 30 years ago with a hardtail. We think it’s fitting that we continue to innovate what a hardtail can be. The Honzo changed the game for modern hardtails when it came out. Over the years it’s been refined and tweaked. All of the things that you expect from the original Honzo have been preserved in the Big Honzo, with some added flexibility. The Big Honzo allows you to run up to a 27.5 x 3.0 or 2.6 x 29 tire, has 130mm of front suspension, and comes in 3 frame materials (carbon, aluminum or steel). This is the bike for people who demand a flexible setup for rallying their local trails one day and loading up for a multi-day bike packing trip the next. The original Honzo was ahead of its time. The Big Honzo has arrived just in time.

The Big Honzo MSRP is US $1699 / CAD $1899, the Big Honzo DL is US $2099 / CAD $2699, The Big Honzo ST is US $2399 / CAD $2999, the Big Honzo CR is US $2999 / CAD $3799 and the Big Honzo CR DL is US $3999 / CAD $4799. Find your local dealer on Konaworld.com.

Big Honzo CR DL

Big Honzo CR DL

Big Honzo CR DL

Big Honzo CR DL

Big Honzo CR DL

Big Honzo CR DL

Big Honzo CR DL

Big Honzo CR DL

Big Honzo CR DL

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Models

Big Honzo CR DL

2019 Big Honzo CR DL

The top of the heap. The Big Honzo carbon deluxe is our premium Big Honzo. Lighter than steel, more responsive than aluminum, the CR/DL gives a dialed ride feel and saves a little weight. The carbon Big Honzos are also the only Big Honzos with two bottle cage mounts. RockShox Pike RC, SRAM GX Eagle drivetrain, and RockShox Reverb dropper post all come stock.

Big Honzo CR

2019 Big Honzo CR

Sporting the same carbon frame as the CR DL, the Big Honzo CR comes stock with a RockShox Revelation RC fork, SRAM NX Eagle drivetrain, SRAM Guide T brakes, and a RockShox Reverb dropper.

Big Honzo ST

2019 Big Honzo ST

We had to make one in steel. Long-praised for its ride feel and longevity, the steel Big Honzo brings together all of our favorite things about the Honzo lineup, including adjustable dropouts. The Big Honzo ST comes stock with a RockShox Revelation RC fork, SRAM NX drivetrain and Guide T Brakes, and a RockShox Reverb dropper.

Big Honzo DL

2019 Big Honzo DL

Want a Big Honzo but don’t need to spend the money on carbon, or don’t need the adjustable dropouts of the steel version? The Big Honzo DL hits the sweet spot in performance versus price. It comes stock with a RockShox Sektor RL fork, SRAM NX drivetrain, and a Trans-X dropper.

Big Honzo

2019 Big Honzo

With a similar frame as the Big Honzo DL, the base level Big Honzo has a more economical build but still sports a RockShox Recon RL fork, SRAM NX drivetrain, and a Trans-X dropper post.

Jake Hood rides the all new Kona Big Honzo

Jake Hood riding the Kona Big Honzo in Alexandra NZ

Jake Hood riding the Kona Big Honzo in Alexandra NZ

Jake Hood riding the Kona Big Honzo in Alexandra NZ

Jake Hood riding the Kona Big Honzo in Alexandra NZ



181 Comments

  • + 176
 4k$ for a hardtail with pike RC and GX, what the hell is going on...?
  • + 7
 Exactly my thought.
  • + 43
 @MrEtnie: The Kona is awesome - but man, you can get a carbon Jeffsy with a Pike for like $3.6k. Edit, my mistake, it's $3.5k for the carbon Jeffsy.
  • + 4
 @whoopsy: You can thank your fellow consumers for making wise, informed purchases.
  • + 8
 Ride a hardcore hardtail sometime. A carbon one could easily come in ag 3-4lbs less than a similar priced squish bike. With big tires, wide bars, and dropper posts coupled with modern slack geo and you’d be surprised how fast you are on one over your squish.
  • + 17
 Initially I got excited - $2400 for a steel hardtail, that's perfect! Scrolled down, saw the Revelation, Guide Ts (seriously?) and NX suspension and immediately scrolled down to the comments. Why even bother with this build? Put some better brakes, GX, and a Pike, and I'll consider this bike - hell, I'll even spend a bit more for it.
  • + 3
 the seat stay photo being slightly off center gives me anxiety
  • - 2
 Santa Cruz Chameleon with GX, but shittier brakes (Level T), and aluminium only frame option is $4,300 (CAD), so what's your point? All bikes are getting pricey these days...
  • + 2
 @snowwcold55: I suspect they put a basically throwaway build on this bike on purpose, because they know their market. You've only been able to get a steel honzo as frame only for a long time, because most people have a specific idea of what they want built around that frame. They don't want to carry four or five builds of a steel honzo, then they'd have to do the same for the carbon and aluminum what a nightmare.
  • + 11
 @snowwcold55: At least the Revelation has the exact same chassis and stanchions as on the Pike these days so it's hardly an utterly useless fork worth ignoring.
  • + 2
 @whoopsy - I totally agree. I've looked at the Honzo for quite a while and even their previous year models are way overpriced. Plus they only discount the older bikes $3-500. I'll pass.
  • + 14
 Kona has gone off the deep end with their pricing for awhile now. Certainly doesn't offer the value that many of us use to know them for. My 05' Stinkey was my last Kona
  • + 15
 @pinhead907: Makes one wonder how much a similar hardtail from YT would cost if they made a rowdy hardtail
  • + 2
 Bikes are expensive because they're advertised on websites which incur costs providing 'free' content which is frequently viewed in an office setting?
  • + 20
 @0gravity: If YT made a HT I'd buy it
  • + 11
 @juansevo: No one's disputing the merits of a hardtail, but a normal hardtail shouldn't cost more than a FS bike that includes a rear shock, linkage(s)+pivots, more R&D into the frame, and possibly the cost of licensing the suspension patent. One of the main advantages of a hardtail is supposed to be cost.

Personally I think Kona has lost its way. They've decided to eschew innovation and invest in a fancy paint job and inflated price instead.
  • + 11
 @nvranka: no you wouldn't. It would be out of stock.
  • + 2
 I bought a Specialized Fuse Expert Carbon for $3500 and it was a better spec. I rode the Honzo CR and liked it but not $500 more liked it.
  • - 4
flag bulletbassman (Jul 25, 2018 at 16:38) (Below Threshold)
 @snowwcold55: I'm pretty sure the Steel Honzo frames run close to 2 grand.
  • + 6
 @snowwcold55: Then how about a Rootdown w/ a Pike and twelve speeds for $2599 plus freight? Easy peasy.
  • + 0
 @pinhead907: Built up my Surly Instigator, Foc 36,xt rear, 1x10 woth a dropper. $2600.00
  • + 6
 @pinhead907: or what about a Nukeproof Scout or Commencal Meta HT. Both have similar specs and cost like half the price (okay, they are aluminium, but still).
  • + 1
 i guess there is a demand there. i don't c it but for that price id just make my own.
  • + 5
 Came here to post this. Hilariously overpriced and throwing GX on your top flight carbon model (while bragging about saving weight with carbon frame) is just hilarious.

Either pay a bit less and get a Jeffsy CF, full suspension with BETTER build kit or spend 45% LESS ($2,599CAD) on a Commencal Meta HT AM Race 29 2019 with Lyrik, Guide T/Eagle NX, slightly worse build but over $2k less money.
  • + 4
 @gramboh: wow. Someone has been doing their homework. Either that or seriously looking at way too much bike porn.
  • + 2
 @rezrov: agreed. and they lengthened their chainstays to 430mm. they are now just copying the brands that used to copy them. the only thing semi unique anymore is the reach - there aren't many brands doing 475mm reach on a large. transition only makes expensive carbon hardtails or I would go with them, but I want aluminum
  • + 1
 @xeren: Check out the Orange Clockwork 129, basically an alu TR Vanquish but with clearance for plus tyres as well. Tidy.
  • + 1
 @James-at-Pedals: hadn't heard of that one before, thank you!
  • + 1
 1500$ frame
1200$ fork
800$ drivetrain
500$ wheels & tires
200$ brakes
......... Sh.. costs money
  • + 0
 @pinhead907: With overseas support. No local dealer. Ill spend the extra $$
  • + 2
 @danvdan: overseas support? I don't know, the YT guys are local here in socal and available if you need questions answered, although I've never needed to interface with any frame mfg in all of my years...

We're talking about thousands of dollars in savings...
  • + 2
 @nvranka: I'm with nvranka. Although, YT is all the way up in Orange County. I haven't left San Diego in months. Not sure I can deal. But really, last time I had my local shop help with warranty work, it was totally frustrating and left me pretty PO'd, and I didn't have my bike for ~3 weeks.

I don't have an online bike, so I'm not sure they're any better - but my local dealer hasn't done anything to convince me that it's worth paying extra for their service. And you know, I want bike shops to survive - but they gotta go the extra mile these days. Like nvranka says, you'll save at least a grand to buy online. And if the local shop freakin' frustrates you rather than enhances the experience, why not save the money?
  • + 1
 I’m actually getting really tired of the “this bike shop bike costs so much more than a bike direct brand.” Yeah, we get it YT and others are cheaper.
Compare it to other shop brands and it’s right in line price wise.

The bike looks dope. Love to try it.
  • + 1
 here we are used to pay more, it must be sad a price like that for you who are local haha
  • + 0
 FCking joke RIP KONA
  • + 2
 @whambat: why do we have to compare it to other shop brands? they are all competing, and online brands offer a better value unless you're looking for something very specific.

i say this as a big fan of kona and someone who owns zero online brand bikes, btw. but kona is getting less and less compelling as they have less and less unique geo
  • + 1
 @bulletbassman: konaworld.com/big_honzo_st.cfm just going leave this here for ya...
  • + 1
 @whambat: Even compared to other shop brands some hardcore hardtails are weirdly priced when you can get more and more affordable full sussers. You don't have to look too far, check out e.g. Norco's pricing.

As someone said above, this is not to undermine the ride quality of a good hardtail, but unless it's some titanium boutique piece of hand-made jewellery from an old, bearded welder's shed, a similarly specced HT should be cheaper than its FS counterparts.
  • + 1
 @juansevo: I love my hardtail and my full suspension bikes but I don't think we should be paying for speed. A hardtail is less expensive to manufacture and should cost less to buy.
  • + 1
 @MrEtnie: the 2019 Meta HT build for $1,900 doesn't look too bad.....the Big Honzo DL at $2,099 falls short IMO.
  • + 1
 ,,
  • + 39
 All of a sudden I've got a big honzo looking at that stunner
  • + 25
 Hmm, 29er steel winter bike?! God damn what a bunch of beauties!
  • + 22
 Yeah, that Big Honzo ST is outstanding! Never stop producing steel bikes @konaworld
  • + 1
 ... and with sliding dropouts so the drivetrain can me run as God intended.
  • + 19
 "With the same frame as the Big Honzo DL, the base level Big Honzo"
It's clearly not the same frame?
  • + 5
 You're right LOL. The only thing that looks remotely similar is the down tube. Chainstay, seat post, top tube and even the headtube looks different.
  • + 1
 woah, that's weird. even the 2018 base level big honzo looks the same as the 2018 and 2019 big honzo DL. why is the 2019 base big honzo different?

is one of them an XL or XS frame or something?
  • + 1
 If you look closely, you'll see that they both have different rear derailleur mount.
  • + 16
 I thought Plus size was so 2016?
  • + 15
 #makemodelsanorexicagain
  • + 0
 Ebike tyres.
  • + 7
 @thenotoriousmic: Ebyke tires.
  • + 5
 Its nice for tyre clearance really. But there is a point where your shoes are touching the seatstay when pedaling. Ive got those chainstay protectors all over the rear end of the bike for that reason.
  • + 8
 29 x 2.6 is the sweet spot
  • + 1
 More traction shouldn't be the type of thing to go out of fashion.
  • - 3
 Only to euros who dismiss everything the year it comes out only to adopt it 5-7 years later.
  • + 5
 @juansevo: why would you want a 2.8 tyre though?
  • + 0
 @thenotoriousmic: different strokes for different folks
  • + 1
 @Braindrain: great for novices but anyone else I don’t see the point.
  • + 4
 Plus size makes sense on hardtails in my opinion. I have 27.5+ on my Niner Sir 9 and its a riot to ride.

But plus tires on a full squish, no thanks, I'll pass!
  • + 0
 @connorjuliusjohnson: the pounding your back wheel takes on a hardtail how long is a flimsy plus sized tyre going to last?
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: I have a Maxxis DHF EXO 2.8" / Rekon EXO 2.8" and its fine, honestly. I have a high PSI set but honestly smashes pretty hard.
  • + 1
 @connorjuliusjohnson: I can’t keep regular 2.3 exo’s to stay on the rim or not tear a 2.8 has absolutely no chance.
  • + 11
 I really like the looks of the steel big Honzo.. Its been 20 years since the last time I had a Kona, maybe its time for a new one.
  • + 2
 Hopefully they‘ll bring it to Europe this time around...
  • + 2
 @FuzzyL: Seems like. More here: twentynineinches-de.com
  • + 3
 @mtb-journal: Sorry, that was unclear. I was talking about the steel version of the Honzo. The Honzo was always available in Europe, but the ST wasn’t.
  • - 3
 @chaserider: Just buy a Session. LoL /sarcasm
  • + 2
 @FuzzyL:
Steel was frame only. Seen a few in UK. But ordering and actually getting something off kona Europe is a Knightmare. Its like there run by polaticians. Very bad polaticians. Whatever date/info they give you is a lie
  • + 3
 Still riding the crap out of my 2012 steel Honzo, all components smashed, frame keeps going!
  • + 8
 Would really like to see a shootout / comparison between this and the Transition Throttle. Throttle has 66 deg HT angle and designed around 2.6" tires vs the 2.8. Having said that... the Maxxis 2.8" seem to measure closer to 2.65" (casing and tread) when mounted up to 45mm inner width rims.
  • + 3
 I second this request.
  • + 2
 I feel this is more dialed for general trail riding. I think some the other HT out there are pushing the enduro/freeride envelope. We are seeing more and more HT with 65/66 head angles. Great for going down...but not sure great going up. Remember HT is more often the first step into MTB and I think this is a great all-round starter bike (except for the price). The newer euduro/freeride HT are more novelty and nostalgia purchase. I.e. I can shred it, now lets get back to basics and make it more challenging type purchase.
  • + 2
 @smoothmoose:

But 66 deh HA when sagged is like 68 degree which is spot on for a trail bike. Plus head angle is not the biggest factor for going up
  • + 9
 After 2 yrs on my steel hardtail (last ffwd, Pike rct3) I can say: never underestimate the importance of a good fork!

These Honzos with their cheapo RS forks will not live up to what a good hardtail frame can handle.
  • + 6
 Give your head a shake. The OLD revelation was a damned solid fork, and the new one is supposed to be better than the pike from just about everyone I've talked to that has tried it. No, it's not the fanciest model of course. Guess what? Most don't need all the extra settings, and not having them doesn't mean the fork is shit. What a load of crap.
  • + 1
 @waywardtraveller: I have the old revelation on a bike now, and it is nowhere near stiff enough (it is 150mm with 32mm stanchions). I'd be curious to try out fatter stanchions on the new one, but as of right now, would happily take just about anything with 34mm+ stanchions simply for the stiffness, including a pike. Especially if I have a steel hardtail with a dropper and slack head angle? That's a bike begging to be abused, and a stiff fork would help soooo much for that.
  • + 1
 After many years on a hardtail as a second bike: big plush fork is for fullies, embrace the chaos.
  • + 4
 Did they take last years "big Kahuna" and just change the sticker for the low cost Big Honzo? Seems like it, and it's a good idea. Big Honzo's are awesome bikes. Figuring out how to get them at lower price points is great.

I do wish they would have done some kind of flip chip so they could span 27.5 x 2.6 all the way to 29 x 2.6. IMO that's what all frames should strive for. Versatility and user preference...

Everyone seems to be bitching about the cost. But the Big Honzo DL has gotten lower priced every year since they released. Sure they have lost a little in spec in doing so, but nothing that will ruin the bike IMO. And they pretty much had to lower the spec on it so they could bring in the carbon frame version and have a price point/value choice that makes sense...

I think 2.8's are perfect on hardtails and the grip is still really nice on low/mid travel suspension bikes too IMO. I think more people would ride "PLUS" bikes if they chose by what they would most benefit what they ride most of the time. Instead of whats "new" or what the cool guys are talking about at the trail head... Smile (I'm totally guilty of buying bikes based on those two criteria)
  • + 6
 Guy shreds on hardtail making you think having a hardtail would be awesome.....
  • + 5
 Because it is...
  • + 2
 HT is great as a first bike if you can’t afford a fully, and it’s a great second bike when you have a fully. However in the latter scenario I’d recommend a trail cyclable DJ bike that can be used mainly on jumps and pumptracks and buying a Honzo as a third bike... summed up: buy a hardtail.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: "trail cyclable DJ bike" aka NS Surge
  • + 2
 The bikes have some nice paint jobs... decent setups... but are a little high in price... plus really... I love hard tails as much as the next guy... But I have yet to ride one as long and hard I do my FS.... but then again... we have nothing but rocks in the desert.. On manicured trails these would be ideal... with a couple big hits here and there..
  • + 0
 thanks
  • + 7
 I want a titanium one.
  • + 1
 I want a titanium too.
  • + 0
 @nozes: me too, only to shout to other people on the trail: bow peasants!
  • + 1
 Also with numerous bottle and rack mounts.
  • + 6
 Frame only?

Please?

PLEASE?!
  • + 6
 Tried frame only last year and no luck. Was told they do very few frame only. I like building my bikes not buying one complete and selling most of the parts I don't want.
  • + 2
 2018 big honzo was available frame only ( if you could get one ) ... i built one about a month ago, i suspect these will be as well.

they lengthened the seat stays in 2019 to fit 29 x 2.6
  • + 2
 Recently I've been thinking about replacing my Fs but I have a steel hard tail with 2.8 tires and 68 degree HA and that's the bike I always want to ride, it's so good. The Honzo is a great looking bike and I want one now, in fact I did already.
  • + 6
 Riding a beautiful bike like that with no gloves "palms are sweaty"
  • + 9
 Knees weak, arms are heavy?
  • + 12
 Moms Spaghetti
  • + 5
 He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
  • + 1
 @judgerider348: that poor dead horse....and you just keep kicking it...
  • + 3
 Hard to breathe, feels like floating, so full of love my heart's exploding, mouth is dry, hands are shaking, my heart is yours for the taking, acting weird and not myself, dancing around like the Keebler elf, finally time for this poor schlub, to know how it feels to fall in lub
  • + 0
 @nevertoofast: cmon, if it was a stinky we could say “his shocks DOPE and he knows that”
  • + 6
 Still one of the best looking hardtails out there.
  • + 1
 I was super excited when I saw that Kona was releasing a new Honzo. Then I looked at the geometry chart. I need to run an XL to get over 1200mm wheelbase. In fact the XL is the same wheelbase as my size medium Whyte G-160 or even Whyte 905. Why is it soooo hard to find a hardtail with forward geometry? It would be great if a company like Kona would modernize their geometry and make and aggressive forward geo 29er affordable. I'd really appreciate it.
  • + 1
 I bought a Honzo this spring, and I love the geometry, but I guess I'm a wuss cause I just can't do the hardtail thing anymore on anything other than the smoothest trails. I think I'm going to sell it and get a Hei Hei instead.
  • + 1
 Me too. I was hard tail only, then few years ago got a fs, now I cannot ride HT anymore, just no comparison for fun, capability, and comfort.
  • + 7
 @coachvernon: Funny, exact opposite. Been riding FS for 10 years, got a modern HT in December. I've never had more fun, or ridden faster, or farther, or with less maintenance. I've tried to pull out my FS a couple times this year and though it's a great bike, I just don't want to ride it.
  • + 1
 I've had my Steel Frame Honzo going on 4 years now. Still ride the Honzo all the time with a SB5.5 also in the stable. I find the Honzo is great to train with since you can put a ton of hours on it with minimal maintenance. That's what sold my on the Honzo and keeps me coming back to it. Not sure if many would agree, but I find riding the hardtail teaches me on making better line choices so when I jump on the FS bike, I'm just that much smoother.
  • + 3
 i've been on a Honzo ST with 27.5x3" set up singlespeed and it has been one of the funnest bikes i've ever owned..... long live the HONZO!
  • + 1
 I'd rather have this plus it's quite a bit cheaper compared to the Honzo carbon.https://spotbrand.com/collections/mountain-bikes/products/rocker-geared-29?variant=7331654860834
  • + 2
 Nice, but I'll stick with the much cheaper Commencal Meta HT. Frame is $400. Spend all that extra cash on a good fork and wheelset.
  • + 1
 I was taken in by the word order in '27.5 x 3.0 or 2.6 x 29 tire' and I first read it as OMG it takes 26" wheel
can only blame myself for skim reading! lesson learned... although probably not!

nice bike though Smile
  • + 2
 It does take a 26" wheel. Pedal strikes will increase tho.
  • + 1
 No no no, you always read tire diameter first, then width. This bike can take a 27.5" dia x 3" wide tire, or a 2.6" dia x 29" wide tire. Imagine the stability!
  • + 4
 A complete miss! Where's the rear suspension video?????????????????
  • + 1
 Shut up NOW
  • + 1
 Two and a half grand for that steel bike?? For that cash anybody can build a 29er Ht with better geo ans superior parts...well no Honzo for me.
  • + 2
 Chainstay length increased from 415mm from last year to 430. What the heck, Kona, that is part of what makes a honzo a honzo
  • + 2
 It's not a Honzo, it's a Big Honzo! I don't like it either, but I doubt they could get to 29/2.6" even with 157mm spacing.
  • + 2
 @ceecee: I have a 29x2.6 on my Honzo st with 415 stays. Fits fine.
  • + 1
 @ceecee: the prior year model big honzos had 415mm stays. and fit large 29er tires just fine.
  • + 1
 @Rhymer: 2017 Honzo ST with the sliders slammed?
  • + 1
 @ceecee: yup. Slammed.
  • + 1
 @Rhymer: Me too!
  • + 3
 where was this filmed tho?
  • + 2
 It would be nice to see the weights of the frames compared. I wonder how much the steel weighs.
  • + 17
 When you ride steel you forget about weight
  • + 7
 @Worm-Burner: Until you start riding uphill.
  • + 8
 @IluvRIDING: steel just sproings you up the hills baby...!
  • - 3
 @IluvRIDING: You think 3lbs make a difference? Thats about 1-2% more total weight.
  • + 5
 @NotNamed: Is it 3lbs more than the alu? 3lbs is a lot and it's about 10% of the total bike weight.
  • + 3
 @IluvRIDING: I used to be super concerned about bike weight. But more and more I've come to realize that it makes very little difference if a bike is a couple of pounds heavier than another. When the bike's weight is less than 15% of the total rider/bike package for an average person, shaving another 3 lbs is about 1.5% of the total package. Dropping 3lbs from the wheels makes a huge difference, dropping 3lbs on the frame of a bike is pretty negligible.
  • + 3
 @NotNamed: You're right, 3 pounds cut from a 150lb bike isn't a big difference.
  • + 0
 I have an alloy Honzo, and it's a tank. I forget what the exact weight was, but it was 5-5.5lbs for my large frame, heavier than an XC FS bike.
  • + 1
 When I saw this I thought - wow, finally a 29er hardtail with a really low bottom bracket.
Then I saw the head angle - 68 degrees? WFT? Its steeper than some XC hardtails....
  • + 13
 Jump on it and ride it, then have talk about HA. I've got a 2016 honzo st (pre big honzo) it had a 68 degree ha, 120mm fork. It was a ripper of a bike (still have it and use it Kore over my fs) I increased the travel to 140, so in theory increased ha to 67. It became even more of a weapon. Didn't lose any climbing ability. Kona has nailed the honzo range - it is the do it all hardtail, especially in steel. Peace.
  • + 4
 My steel 29” with 70* HA doesn’t feel odd or limiting to me at all; 68* is certainly fine. The way a bike actual rides is more than just numbers.
  • + 3
 @ninjatarian: true enough! bikes dont have to be slack to be fun
  • + 6
 i have a 2015 chromag rootdown and love the fact that it is steeper and twitchier than my slacked out Banshee phantom. thats a big part of what makes hardtails fun.
  • + 6
 Remember that 68 on a hardtail is more like 69 when sagged. I feel it's a limiting number on this bike, otherwise it's REALLY capable. I put a -2 headset on mine and now it's perfect for assing around!
  • + 1
 Maybe it's splitting hairs but Kona's website says 67.5
  • + 1
 Why get the big honzo when you can get a Norco Torrent...
  • + 2
 @tigerteeuwen: Because steel.
  • + 1
 @hirvi: which headset did you go with? the only one i know of is the cane creek angleset
  • + 3
 @tigerteeuwen: got all excited about the norco torrent, then saw that it's not boost spaced (already have the boost wheelset) and that it uses a 72 degree STA and a full inch shorter reach than the honzo
  • + 2
 @xeren: This one. Reasonable price and good quality set.
www.superstarcomponents.com/en/slackerizer-angle-headset.htm
  • + 1
 @xeren: Exactly, and Torrent don't take 29" wheels, that's a no go for me.
  • + 2
 @hirvi: awesome, thank you!
  • + 1
 @hirvi: what, dude!

You are seriously mistaken

The torrent will EASILY take 29" wheels... It's got a huge amount of clearence. You could probably run a 29" 2.5 if you so chose

The mtbr forum has a huge thread on the torrent, one guy is even running 27.5x3.8 minions.
  • + 1
 @tigerteeuwen: Ok, thanks for clarification. Never dug so far, Norco just states that it's made for 27+.

Big Honzo also is a plus bike, it can take big wheels too but the regular Honzo has a 10mm lower BB for those. And it takes 29x2.6 tires, even the old one with super short stays.
  • + 1
 Twitch=Fast as in throwing that baby around. @RoverDover:
  • + 0
 Every time I ride a hard tail... I can't help but think of the experience as the statement: "I like it hard in the ass".... Without fail
  • + 3
 Sounds like you're not riding a hardtail properly.
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 The big honzo do has the next available spot in my bike quiver.
  • + 1
 get a bigger one so you can fit n+1 bikes
  • + 1
 My Big Honzo is not even a year old but... STEEL? TAKE MY MONEY
  • - 3
 68 degrees is fine for a trail bike, it's not going to be aggressive for anything more than that. It is what it is. My hardtail (Dartmoor hornet) has a 65 deg head angle and 160mm travel and is dèfo towards the all mountain enduro end of the spectrum
  • + 15
 Neat
  • + 2
 68 degrees unsagged?
  • + 1
 Looks like the Process with the pivots and shock removed. I'm sold.
  • + 3
 I ride a 2014 Honz and 2014 process... It's true
  • + 1
 So which do I get the 2018 or the 2019?
  • + 0
 you do not deserve either you devil worshiping twisted mfr
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 I think bikes/spec are getting more expensive. Thanks for the trade war guys.
  • + 1
 Yes, because overpriced bro brands weren't around until just this month. Way to not think for yourself.
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 @mgrantorser: Nothing to do with the trade war and everything to do with the fact that the majority of cyclists enjoy being fleeced by bike mfg's because it makes them 'feel' better when they have to max out their credit cards and remortgage their homes to buy that shiny new bestest of the bestest bicycle.

It's not anything new. It's just becoming more & more rampant in the cycling industry. I ditched RCs & PCs because of it. If the cycling industry continues to trend that way I'll give them the bird too.
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 Hardcore hardtails, love them in concept. But not for my knees...
  • + 0
 thanks for your input i guess...
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 The metal ones look mint. The Cabron one looks gopping. think its the swoops and the headtube join area. Bleurgh.
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 Dl*
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 Why bother kona
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 No Honzo Ti?
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 @Jcolis1904: Dropped the Ti frame/build, but kept the price. LoL
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