Video: Hitting Rowdy Loamers with Gully & the Crew in 'Weekend Slayer'

Mar 17, 2021 at 9:55
by Eric Lawrenuk  

Presented by Lezyne

Join our local crew on some steep and wild loamers!
We link up with Geoff Gulevich, Scott Mackay, Brian Serneels, and Fraser Vaage for an insane ride, packed with loose moments and hilarious trail banter.

Filmed by Graeme Meiklejohn
Produced by Eric Lawrenuk

Music Provided by these rad local bands!

"Weekend Slayer"
Performed by: Bimscuff

"Melting Witch"
Performed by War Baby

"Black Swan"
Performed by War Baby


118 Comments

  • 61 9
 "We need our trail associations to start building high-difficulty trails to help the talented riders of the shore progress"

yeah. this video is super helpful. thanks.
  • 20 29
flag lornny (Mar 19, 2021 at 11:05) (Below Threshold)
 Would it be more helpful to film on the same-old "black" trails and pretend the needs of high-caliber riders are being fulfilled?
  • 10 6
 @lornny: So...more Vanderham videos? Vandervideo: High quality pro consistently just riding same old "Black Trails". Wink
  • 38 6
 @lornny: Those of us trying to paddle the boat to get new, sanctioned, progressive trails could do without folks from our own team blowing holes in the side below the waterline.

Do you think the NSMBA isn't aware of the kind of trails you want?
  • 6 3
 @counterpoint: that’s a fair counterpoint
  • 10 12
 @cooperquinn-wy: I get where you are coming from for sure, and greatly appreciate all the work you and NSMBA are doing.
  • 19 9
 I should rephrase that. I greatly appreciate the work you and NSMBA are doing for intermediate riders/trails.
The need for new advanced + progressive trails/features is bigger than ever. Boogie nights is the “new/advanced trail” but this trail was built years ago, before your tenure. Recently, this trail has become one of the best legal trails on the shore, thanks to the very riders in this video, volunteering their time performing huge upgrades with support from Kona Bikes (the TAP sponsor for Boogie Nights). There has been no new progressive/advanced trails since. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not aware of any new black trails/features.
  • 19 16
 @cooperquinn-wy: they don’t care about the politics or the approval process, the BroPro’s just want more likes, clicks, subscribers.... just leave the bro’s have the instant gratification of dooming the spot on world reaching mtb media! If it was surfing they’d have their tires slashed when they go out for surf.
  • 8 3
 @lornny: you do know that the NSMBA can't just build new trails, right? and that the land managers decide that, right?
  • 11 4
 @flipfantasia: yea I understand that completely. The progress with advanced trails has been painfully slow in our area, and it’s frustrating when you see other communities progressing their advanced riding so much more rapidly. Which makes it clear that the land management is much more difficult to deal with on The Shore. I guess I’m just trying to justify why so many illegal trails get built, and why riders are drawn to them instead of the legal trails. Not saying it’s right, but it’s the result of little-to-no progress on the construction of advanced-trails
  • 11 1
 @lornny: I've been involved in Boogie Nights one way or another from the first shoveling days in 2015 but yes, it was before my time on the NSMBA board.

Let me rephrase my earlier comment in to a question: do you think content like this helps get new, sanctioned, progressive trails get permitted and built?
  • 8 6
 @cooperquinn-wy: sure I’d say it’s possible. Clearly it has brought attention to the fact that riders are resorting to riding unsanctioned trails because no legal trails are catering to their needs. Obviously we are in the minority, so lots of people don’t see eye-to-eye with us, but at least questions are being asked, and an issue is being brought to light.
  • 19 1
 @lornny: Just don't put the name of the mountain in the article and show the god damn trail exit in the video and there wouldn't be a f*cking issue
  • 16 9
 @lornny: all the sports I can think of have the same 'playing field' for all, but the pros just happen to perform better on that playing field, whether it be running, driving, hockey, golf, football blah blah blah. Why do 'pro / influencer' mountain bikers feel entitled to have harder trails legally available on someone else's private land free of charge, and then use them to make money? The concept is nuts. If you want more of a challenge, ride / film Bogey Man on a 1989 Kona Cinder Cone. If might actually make more entertaining viewing and you could rep more bike pumps off the back of it.
  • 6 4
 @wallheater: this brings us back to why riders build their own unsanctioned trails/jumps/stunts or seek out more difficult trails; wherever they are.
  • 12 0
 @lornny: which is fine (by me), but why film in such a way that makes it reeaaallly obvious to many people where the trails are? I've not ridden there for years but that exit road filming was a doozy, just like a Squamish one the other day with an obvious landmark..... It just attracts the 'hordes' (like me....) to find them, and then potentially injure themselves. Good luck getting trail building approval for super gnarly trails then. Don't doom the spot, as they say.
  • 4 5
 @wallheater: your right, showing the road was not a great idea. To be fair, you only know this road if you have been there... and there’s zero clue to the top of trail
  • 6 0
 Funnily enough I found that road thanks to a Dunbar Cycles video around 8 years ago. Subsequently found the trails (or similar ones....) by simply parking at the bottom and walking my dog. It's not hard to figure out, which is why it's super important that no clues be given out when filming. You don't want me riding these trails Wink
  • 18 4
 @lornny: Sure, anything is possible. I'd say that I'm doubtful there's a lot of decision makers on the land managers end reading pinkbike comments, but who knows.

What experience suggest is more more likely is that this video gets sent in to various politicians and government staff who don't *really* understand the nuances here, and will only see guys riding illegal trails, in a clearly labelled location, in what looks like a destructive fashion. This will be perceived, accurately or not, as a community of people who don't care about the environment out there doing whatever they want purely for their own enjoyment. Their limited resources then get directed to addressing the symptoms rather than the issue, which as you note is that some of these riding experiences are very limited in the sanctioned network.

This last part isn't news to me; its quite literally in NSMBA 101, "The NSMBA recognizes that many builders work independently from the NSMBA, and often unsanctioned trails are built out of frustration with the system or from a perceived need for more advanced or varied trail experiences."

Again, we're all on the same team here, with the same end goals. The NSMBA doesn't need everyone to be a member and helping to paddle the boat (although this would be nice, even just not being actively damaging would be a good start). But realize that it is a team effort and you're not paddling, the boat may not go exactly where you want, or get there as fast as you think it should get there.
  • 4 7
 @cooperquinn-wy: seems like we need more optimism towards fighting for more advanced trails at the NSMBA. I’m sure it’s draining dealing with politicians, but sounds like you are stuck in a rut of no hope. Mark Woods seemed to be making headway with the addition of Boogie Nights, and upgraded the drop and the long ladder bridge of Boogie Man. What has caused a holdup in the progress since?
  • 15 2
 @lornny: Mr. Wood's contributions to the Shore are numerous.

I'm far from a 'rut of no hope', if you want to continue this conversation a ride and/or a beer is probably a better medium than Pinkbike comments at this point. Reach out anytime.
  • 19 2
 @lornny: it seems like you just nominated yourself for the NSMBA - time to buck up or shut up instead of criticizing the people putting in endless volunteer efforts for the larger mtb population. @cooperquinn-wy thanks for the work you do
  • 5 1
 @novicenat-nvan: maybe you are right haha. A voice from the minority would be a great addition. Then I’ll really understand how much the politics of it suck
  • 13 0
 @lornny: I was going to say that last night (you getting involved w/NSMBA). Until you spend a few years working with a trail org and dealing with land managers you're not really in a position to say what you think the problem is or what the way to solve it is. I think most riders would agree with you that getting some new sanctioned advanced trails would be great, but there's a way to do it and this video isn't it. The way to make it happen is big picture thinking, and this includes getting involved in politics - you've heard of Mathew Bond right?

The shame of this whole thing is that overall the vid is great and the stoke level is high - I wanted to get out and ride after watching it. You could have achieved the same thing without bringing down any heat by being a little smarter with the editing and not broadcasting how to find this trail to the entire planet. That's probably a good lesson to consider for the next time and I'd bet that changing up what is currently posted to take care of the problems would go a long way to showing that you're genuine about wanting to do things a better way.
  • 14 2
 @synchro: I made a huge oversight with how i edited the video at the end. I have deleted the video, and re-uploaded a new video with all hints completely removed. I realize this correction comes late, but I am trying to right-my-wrong. Im sorry if i pissed people off with this mistake, just trying to get people stoked to go out at ride.
Keep the stoke alive, im glad you enjoyed the video other than my editing f*ck-up.
  • 8 0
 @lornny: Good for you man.Everyone makes mistakes it's shows character when people acknowledge them and take steps to fix them. Don't worry to much about the people that are pissed off and all agro, but definitely take the time to consider people that offer constructive criticism. Cheers
  • 5 0
 @synchro: my IG feed already has one “look what I found, gonna film me riding it” post today, showing the same road. Too late.

It seems nothing is sacred anymore. Why can’t people just enjoy the moment without broadcasting to the world?
  • 4 1
 @heckler73: yeah, the cat's outta the bag, but the effort was made to change things. lorny easily could have said f-it and not done anything. Maby they should have know better, but this sets an example for other people going forward so hopefully they don't make the same mistake.

As to why everything needs to get posted, there's psychological reasons for that. Unfortunately the human brain isn't well adapted to the tech we have at our fingertips.
  • 5 12
flag k-towntrailryder (Mar 21, 2021 at 13:43) (Below Threshold)
 Cooper your first post was sarcastic and condescending, not qualities the nsmba should be highlighting in a president roll.

So please tell me, how long has the nsmba been fighting for more difficult trails? What strategies have been used, what was effective and what wasn't? How far along are we and how many more months or years do we have to wait till we see more development?
  • 2 3
 @k-towntrailryder: I’d also love to hear answer to these questions.
  • 9 2
 @lornny: I think @cooperquin-wy offered to discuss with you directly. Why not take him up on that and continue changing this into a productive conversation vs comment section grenade throwing? The NSMBA also has a website so....
  • 8 3
 @lornny: If I get your argument correct, other people are not building trails for you the way you want, so it's OK for you and your buds to ride and film wherever you want?

Step in to the shoes of someone (%90of the world) who has to drive hours out of the city to ride on any time of trail. You get to live in Vancouver, which most of us envy, yet it's too hard for you guys to head up one of the many logging clearcuts and ride away without bugging anyone. It's pretty hard to feel any sympathy for you.

Why did you feel the need to post this video, when you know that you are in a place you shouldn't be, doing things that are not allowed?
  • 7 1
 @lornny, @k-towntrailryder: this is discussed at every annual AGM, everyone is welcome, members can vote! That's the correct forum to get your answers, or on a ride/beer as Coop offered, his contact info is on the site.

My honest quick answer would be since 1997, but it's done on land we have accessible.
  • 4 10
flag lornny (Mar 21, 2021 at 17:24) (Below Threshold)
 @novicenat-nvan: more people than me care about this, so why not have Cooper answer the questions he is avoiding where everyone can see?
  • 4 12
flag lornny (Mar 21, 2021 at 17:28) (Below Threshold)
 @heckler73: so we have to attend a once-a-year meeting to hear this information and ask questions? The president of NSMBA is clearly engaging in this comments section, so let’s hear it
  • 7 0
 @lornny: Are you a NSMBA member? It obvious you're quite passionate about this issue. Why not contact Cooper, then maybe you'll have a better understanding? Then you can educate the rest of us! :-)
  • 11 0
 The irony in all this is that if the trails (or similar ones) on the edit were sanctioned, they'd be f*cked in 3 weeks. Why not just keep things on the down-low rather than whining on about trying to get something that will never work anyway?
People use Squamish as an example of more progressive building, but guess what, pretty well all the gnarly stuff (and loamers.....) here is unsanctioned too! Just because a trail is on Trailforks, doesn't mean that the builder asked permission from the land owner to build it....
  • 11 0
 @lornny: unfortunate that you decide to go from a guy who made an honest mistake to entitled keyboard warrior. I took all of five minutes to educate myself on this and found the guy that is “avoiding” representing you here:
nsmba.ca/seymour-strategic-trails-plan-recap-from-the-dnv-council-workshop
  • 1 6
flag lornny (Mar 21, 2021 at 18:37) (Below Threshold)
 @novicenat-nvan: thanks so much for sharing this! This is exactly what I was looking for. Cheers
  • 3 1
 After viewing all of the videos in this link I realized I saw the last 2 live during the meeting, but missed the first one which contained all the technical info I’ve been looking for! Here’s the link: youtu.be/oAeKhSBjHvA

For those interested in what’s going on with the seymour trail plan: Over the next 1-2 years they will be engaging the public through web content, social media etc to ask the what they would like to see in the trail plan. The priority of the trails on Seymour is from West to East (Darkside being the last priority, but it is recognized as a trail system, and they acknowledge that a maintenance plane needs to be created) Sometime in 2022, a plan will be recommended, and will be adjusted as it is put into place. SO, once these surveys are put out to the public, we need ALL riders to speak out, especially those in the minority that are hoping for higher-difficulty trails. Thanks again for the link @novicenat-nvan
  • 4 0
 @lornny: no worries. I’ll trade you links to videos for lessons on how to jump.... Wink
  • 10 0
 @lornny: you got a personal invite to ride with the prez and talk.

Most members just get to learn more about the history, purpose and limitations of the North Shore Mountain Bike Association by reading our NSMBA 101 Document and send any further questions to info@nsmba.ca

nsmba.ca/nsmba-101

Hell, I’m still waiting for Cooper to ask me to ride with him, but I doubt I could keep up.
  • 42 0
 First rule of Loam Club. Don’t talk about Loam Club!
  • 7 34
flag cirque4 (Mar 19, 2021 at 10:34) (Below Threshold)
 Second rule: Don't loam. Loaming is short term fun with negative consequences in the long run for both the environment and riders themselves.
  • 3 1
 @cirque4: all the shore bros won’t like what you said
  • 37 8
 Short version: "Woooaaah, Ooooohhh, haaaa ha ahaah, Dude! Gappers! Buy this pump!". Trails get shut down by 'The Man' after being posted on Pink Bike Wink
  • 17 2
 It's all worth it to crush rowdy loamers in the loam zone with your closest bro brahs, brah.
  • 13 4
 brroooooo, loambro! likessss and engagement!
  • 24 2
 Can I have a map to the trailhead, please? I will make sure to share it with my friends. Thank you!
  • 24 2
 Don't doom the spot
  • 7 0
 Too late.
  • 17 3
 ***********TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN************
I made a huge oversight in editing by showing a certain area at the end of the trail, giving hints to where these trails are located. The video has been removed, and a new video has been uploaded to correct these concerns. I know this correction comes late, but I'm trying to right-my-wrongs. Just trying to get people stoked to ride, and i blew it by showing this portion of the ride. Keep shredding, Lornny.
  • 9 0
 sssshhh! Those trails never happened, it was all just a dream, go back to sleep.
  • 9 1
 I'd challenge Pinkbike to not use the word loam or any of it's variations for at least a week.
  • 8 2
 Sick video dude. I really liked the cuts, kept the stoke high. Pumped to go out and ride now! Also love the crew vibes in your videos, mobbing is so fun
  • 5 4
 hell yea man, thank you! glad it got you fired up to ride, that's the goal with these vids!
  • 4 0
 The same problem mentioned above about lack of advanced trails or even advanced optional features is happening everywhere. We were just talking about the problem today when a district ranger rode up on his ebike. We mention our problem and he starts talking about a jump park in a new area he found..haha! I told him I will design and build whatever he wants, no charge. Just get me a machine. As riders progress we definitely need trails and features to support them or for sure riders will make their own. Every public high school in our area now has a XC team and the kids are progressing faster and faster. Pinkbike is no help here! The risk of injury is a big question and the answer here is signage and personal responsibility. Falling and getting banged up is par for the course. Land managers have to accept that injury and even death is the cost of Freedom.
  • 14 6
 Well, this was brilliant
  • 5 5
 ???? Glad you enjoyed the ride!
  • 2 0
 whoops didn't mean to put question marks haha!
  • 2 0
 @lornny: All good dude hope to see some more episodes!
  • 37 32
 Another illegal trail video and Pinkbike promoting riding illegal trails. Doesn’t help trail associations when filmers/pros and pinkbike promote it!!!!
  • 52 18
 Almost all legal trails on the shore started out as illegal trails... We need our trail associations to start building high-difficulty trails to help the talented riders of the shore progress, and to drive top-tier riders to come here. The Shore used to be the standard for gnarly riding...now it’s just blues, and dumbed-down blacks
  • 32 3
 @lornny:

I agree whole-heartedly... Trail associations need to focus on core riders and not only the sea2sky dorks! But this shit probably shouldn't be marketed as "Rowdy loamers on Seymour".... Just don't say where it is! Keep the heat low! Simmer, don't fry!

I'm not in Van anymore, but if someone shone the spotlight on my current under-the-radar locale so blatantly, I'd be PISSED
  • 13 1
 @lornny: I bet they could use help from you guys instead of making it harder by posting stuff like this. But you gotta keep those sponsors happy I guess.
  • 25 0
 @lornny: totally agree on your points but it would be nice to at least not to put the mountain in the title at least. This is going to create more traffic, more conflicts and more maintenance. I'm more in the camp of keeping things in the down low. The last thing we want are intermediate riders going down there and getting hurt. Gotta think big picture and keep thing off the radar imo.
  • 3 3
 @jaydawg69: yea for sure man
  • 7 4
 @lornny: THIS THIS THIS!!!!

The Shore is now many steps behind the valley, squamish etc etc
  • 8 1
 @jaydawg69: Yes, don't doom the spot!
  • 2 0
 @sxjimmy: Well, when the Cheema land in Squamish gets developed then the Shore will be miles ahead!
  • 3 0
 @sxjimmy: the funded trails in Squamish and Fraser Valley are insane! Lots of options for high-caliber riders to challenge themselves
  • 18 1
 @lornny: it’s not all down to the trail association mate, trust me they’d love to build gnarlier trails but they can only work within the confines of the land managers. Get involved though, they’d appreciate the help, write to the land managers and provide constructive feedback, tell them the needs of the sport and the community. There’s power in numbers and unfortunately it’s mostly hikers complaining about bikers that write in.
  • 5 4
 @DodgeORama: absolutely. we made a big push for locals to write into the district when they started to make a plan for the local trail system. its a complicated issue to say the least
  • 12 0
 It's a bit of an interesting time with the Seymour strategic trails plan process about to kick off. I am generally in the 'don't doom the spot' camp, but there has been acknowledgement by the land manager of trails in a certain zone, so there may be a strategy in raising awareness that they are a well-used, well-established community asset that would be a huge loss if taken away. That said, enjoy the status quo while you can, because it's hard to see certain types of trails/features continuing to exist in an official trail network.

And yeah, having the mtb community's voice heard during this process will be important, so definitely speak up when it is time to do so,
  • 3 1
 @DMal: appreciate your comment and opinion
  • 11 1
 @lornny: North Van land managers want nothing to do with jumps or wood. The trail builders work closely with the land managers keeping the mountains open. As for unsanctioned trails. The land managers know all about them. How about walking or lift your bike to the hidden entrance. Same at exit. And for the love of God and trails. Don't post obvious details showing how to get to the trail.
  • 3 0
 @Sshredder: and in some cases, the land manager is even blocking off flat walking paths through old clearcut fields with the goal of stopping foot traffic - wheels, feet and paws. This, in a super high use zone that needs more trails, not less.
  • 2 1
 @heckler73: How many people are affected by a trail closed sighn? Then less people use the trail . Perfect. I do what's good for me not what I'm told is good for me . I make my own decisions. Keep up the communication with the land managers. How many new trails on the North Shore? None? I keep riding where and what I want to ride.
The land managers are obstinate and lazy. They want easy to manage gravel paths. They want nothing to do with mountain bikers. We annoy them with request and paperwork. They don't like us. We don't give them lavish gifts to grease the tracks. We can't afford full time arborist, geologist, environmental studies. We have no professional voice.
The best solution is to be as low key as possible. Out of sight out of mind. The politics of sanctioned trails in North Van is a huge headache with nothing but gentrified trails to appease the timid land managers.
  • 4 0
 Best edit I've seen in a long time. (Loam politics aside.) However maybe it would be best if we just let loamers live in quiet infamy and keep the edits between friends....
  • 4 0
 After spending 5 years in Vancouver and riding Seymour half the time, I can confirm I have absolutely no idea of where any of this was shot, except the last 5 seconds...
  • 5 1
 If this doesn't make you want to go ride with your friends then maybe mountain biking (or friends) aren't for you.
  • 5 0
 Stoked to hear that man. Just trying to get people fired up to shred with their crew!
  • 3 1
 @lornny.you can’t win this war...move to the ssc where there is no politics in the woods and a bit of progression to be had.Ride or Die
  • 5 2
 The SSC is a very rad place, especially riding, no denying that! And you’re right, I can’t win this war lol. Time to throw in the towel, I’ve made my points
  • 2 1
 @lornny: @lornny: Easy to get sucked in. your comments are reasonable imo so sleep well.
I don't post too much but when I do, I post my comment and then move on and ignore any replies or likes/dislikes Wink
  • 1 2
 @DDoc: thanks for the support haha... yep easy to get sucked in!
  • 5 1
 Right on
  • 3 0
 Too bad they didn't have any fun at all. Maybe next weekend.
  • 2 0
 zero fun was had lol
  • 2 1
 There is no other way to ride that stuff. It's sooo steep. Freeride of 20 years ago and bikes of 20 years could not do this with more control - no way, no how.
  • 4 0
 secret loamer.
  • 3 2
 Lawrny, sick vid. Forbes here, still have the same email. Reach out so we can ride once this bull is over. Keep up the hilarious shred vids.
  • 1 1
 MITCH!!!! Thanks buddy, appreciate that. Stoked to link up and shred dude!
  • 6 4
 This shit got me so hyped to ride.
  • 4 2
 Stoked to hear that!
  • 2 0
 Did I hear that right: bermathlon - word of the year Wink
  • 1 0
 berm-athon actually Wink
  • 1 0
 @lornny: ah yes.. correct
  • 3 1
 Sick riding and edit, watched it twice !
  • 1 0
 Love to hear that! Keep the stoke high!
  • 3 1
 trail politics aside..... rowdy, raucous, and rocknroll. Right on!
  • 2 0
 The trails in the video do not need more heat on them.
  • 4 2
 "Suck it Park" lol..
  • 1 0
 Comment GOLD
  • 3 2
 Great vid, great vibe Lorny!
  • 2 1
 Stoked you enjoyed it!
  • 1 0
 Yeah, those are some words in that title...
  • 2 0
 Bra! Radical!
  • 3 1
 Damn, this was sick.
  • 3 2
 Exceptional riders...well done lads.
  • 3 2
 @brianpark I think this would make a good podcast topic.
  • 2 6
flag lornny (Mar 19, 2021 at 19:15) (Below Threshold)
 It’s time to make some noise
  • 2 1
 shredders!
  • 1 1
 Man, I miss the 80's . . .
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