Pinkbike Poll: Do You Session Features or Cruise Along Without Stopping?

Jan 31, 2022 at 9:39
by Matt Beer  
Are you all about nailing that one turn or do you just turn on auto-pilot?

Everyone has heard the saying "practice makes perfect". Famous musicians and golfers, like Wolfgang Mozart and Tiger Woods, reached the pinnacles of their profession in part by deliberate practice. Should we then be surprised to learn that most high-level mountain bike athletes started with adjacent two-wheeled sports, like motocross, BMX racing or trials, where their actions are played on repeat? The practice cycle loops over and over; starts, laps, sections. They have trained by essentially "sessioning" the same feature or one hundred meters of track countless times, so when they arrive at a familiar, but unique-looking obstacle on an unseen trail they know exactly how to apply their skills like it's second nature.

You're a product of your environment too. You can often tell a rider's background based on their strengths on the trail. From a young age, I can remember attempting all sorts of goofy maneuvers in a tiny garage, like no-handed track stands, riding backwards, and hopping around in circles while winter whistled away outside. When the snow eventually melted enough I'd take to the streets with friends and practice riding sidewalk curbs, concrete ledges, banked lawns, eagerly waiting for the trails thaw. I wouldn't even consider that mountain biking. "Urban assault", is what the cool kids used to call it. Although, it taught me balance and brake control by way of deliberate practice. Maybe that's where my hidden affection for riding skinny ladder bridges comes from.

While sessioning a few turns or a feature with mates, you can quickly learn from mistakes by observing. It's something that Sarah Moore brought up in Pinkbike Podcast #99. Motorcycle trials is a relatively new sport to her and she was surprised to learn that during her rides, the group would spend more time on features instead of trying to get from point "A" to point "B", like how most of her mountain bike rides unfold. There she could witness the pros and cons to each line and apply them to her attempts.

Sarah also mentioned one of her goals for 2022 was to clear all the jumps on A-Line. Like a BMX track in many ways, A-Line is the perfect place to those skills. One by one, you can conquer each gap, growing your confidence with each lap.

Velosolutions Asphalt Pumptrack in Inverness Scotland built in 2016.
Spending time at a pumptrack will boost any rider's skillset. Why? Repetition creates long term memory.
Filming often translates to sessioning and is practising in disguise. Taking the time to repeat sections of trail and rewatch them instantly with friends, or solo, can debunk your mistakes.

On the other hand, there is a polar opposite side to mountain biking. Fitness, stats, thresholds - those that are chasing the carrot at the end of the stick, never wanting to stop until they're back the lights are out.

And there's always that feeling of excitement and surprise when you're riding an exciting new trail. Your senses are on high alert, like you're riding at a blistering pace, but chances are you're not reaching your full potential. No chance you're stopping, though. You're in the moment and can't wait to see what's around the next corner.

That's just the way I felt about a recent tour of Galbraith I did with Mike Kazimer, never lapping the same piece of trail - just flowing the downhills and keeping a solid pace. Normally, he'll truck right along on his route when riding solo, but loves to find something funky to session on a group ride. And so there was this one jump, which needed some scoping first. After tagging the landing on the initial go, I had to push back up to rectify my mistake. Under a sweaty helmet, buried deep under a pile of geometry charts, I dug up the memory of a jump similar in size and nature. The second go resulted in a much cleaner exit and updated my memory for that style of jump.

2021 Trans Cascadia Day 1
While some races might use the same bit of track year after year, or even within a multi-stage race, chances are that participants in races like the Trans-Casadia event will never see the same rock twice. This poses a challenge to ride within your limit and relies on replicating skills built by practicing similar sections of trail.
Trail centers can maximize small bits of forest where local riders usually know every inch of trail.

One of the best things about our sport is that there's no right or wrong way to ride - we aren't always bound by the race tape and a start time. We can pick the playground or choose our own adventure.

The next time you're out on a ride and you mess up a corner or case a gap jump, will you stop to analyze what went wrong and then correct the mistake? What about more than once?

What kind of riding do you do the most of - session or sail on?

Do you focus on a short section of track less than one minute or cover a lot of ground and never look back?


Do you believe there is a benefit to riding the same section of trail?




170 Comments

  • 254 2
 Having a BMX background myself, I’m inclined to stop and session a feature because of the aforementioned BMX background.
  • 106 3
 Wait, you have a BMX background?
  • 58 2
 Do you have a BMX background? You didn't say.
  • 42 7
 As long as the comment section stays Outside the paywall, I'll be ok.
  • 41 3
 What I'm hearing you say is that you have a BMX background. Would you say that's accurate?
  • 67 1
 BMX background guy here too. I also stop and session spots but I usually take my helmet and brakes off for the full BMX effect.
  • 15 0
 @nsmithbmx: this is the way.
  • 71 1
 Pick a feature and be a BMX about it
  • 70 2
 BMX is like Hockey of Bike Riding....Hockey players can play any sport well but no one else can play hockey. BMXers can dominate your MTB friends but non of your MTB friends could even ride a BMX down the road without squidding out.
  • 12 0
 did someone say BMX background??
  • 5 0
 @nyhc00 How would you say your road biking background has helped you? Would you say your MX background, aforementioned, has helped you session more effectively?
  • 17 1
 @rich-2000: pick a bmx and be a feature about it
  • 11 0
 BMX background means nothing without an engineering degree.. jus sayin
  • 27 3
 As an Engineer with a BMX background, I can confirm this. Since I'm something of an Engineer myself, I will occasionally re-try a difficult section of trail or jump in order to master my totally BMX and Engineering Influenced riding style. LOL. -Jared Williams, P.E. UT, AZ, CO
  • 14 2
 I know a guy who went Full-BMX even though he didn't have the background for it.
  • 9 2
 @DizzyNinja: Epidemiologists with BMX backgrounds are in very high demand as well.
  • 2 3
 @suspended-flesh: not the same
  • 10 0
 Everyday Pinkbike makes me more and more grateful for having ridden to school on a rusty old bmx for a few years back in the day, I genuinely don't know if I could make it to the bottom of the local flow trails without this background experience.
  • 6 0
 @jkwilliamz: LOL. You mean "Jared William, BMX, P.E. UT, AZ, CO". Local jurisdiction dictates that the BMX comes before the PE.
  • 3 0
 @suspended-flesh: he's dead now right?
  • 4 1
 @nsmithbmx: I need to speak to an engineer
  • 8 1
 @DizzyNinja: BMX background with an engineering degree is meaningless without being on the Paleo diet.
  • 2 2
 @mobiller: or Vegan & CrossFit, lol
  • 3 1
 “Having a BMX background” is the 2022 saying taking the place of “looks like a session”
  • 3 2
 @suspended-flesh: Never go full bmx Smile
  • 3 1
 I owned two or three BMXs in my time but just barely bunny-hopped either of them. Does that count as a background?
  • 2 1
 Seems like I should have watched the PBA series to fully appreciate the joke. I do ride a BMX too, but unfortunately it isn't really in the background.
  • 4 3
 @jkwilliamz: Being a P.E. is a lot like being vegan. Everyone knows because they don’t stop talking about it. Even in a mountain bike forum.
  • 3 0
 @dualsuspensiondave: Add Straight-Edge Single-speeder and you'll never get a word in....
  • 3 0
 I too have a background in bmx due to my bmx background
  • 1 1
 @YaacovR: sounds legit.
  • 1 1
 What is bmx?
  • 2 3
 I started riding Benduro today, BMX hurts my mangina.
  • 4 2
 How do you know when there’s a PB member with a BMX background in the comments section? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
  • 3 0
 @RCorlett: You'll know when they pass you on the left and tripple a whole nonsense section of trail most people flop around on.
  • 89 2
 When I am about 5 mins behind everyone i ride with i obviously stopped to session a feature
  • 12 0
 ... and then drop your chain.
  • 3 0
 @AndrewFleming: and get a flat, without flat repair.
  • 18 0
 I've been known to session the ride around
  • 1 0
 I usually get mud in my eye when that happens, even on a summers day
  • 1 0
 had to save a baby deer
  • 2 0
 Ha! That’s it!
  • 1 0
 Looks like a session
  • 2 0
 @AndrewFleming: Can't take credit, that's the venerable Katie Burrell
  • 2 0
 @kmg0: oh, I know! I love that video.
  • 65 2
 There is no option for "I used to session the jumps and features all day but now I have kids so miles per hour is the goal"
  • 5 0
 But skills practice in your backyard is possible.
  • 2 0
 I came here to say the same thing
  • 2 1
 @robjames: this I wanna do
  • 1 0
 bingo
  • 4 0
 @robjames: But this implies staying at home....
  • 2 1
 For me it is pretty much the other way around. When I got kids, I only did short sessions close to home. Lucky to have a pumptrack three minutes from home.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: that's the best. It's great when you can take the kids to the pump track to ride together instead of supervise
  • 2 0
 Session with the kids.
  • 1 0
 @robjames: my neighbors would be a bit cross if I built a 5m drop in our common garden I see from my apt
  • 2 0
 @spaced: It's always better to ask for forgiveness and not permission....
  • 1 1
 @spaced: If it is a common garden then it is a common 5m drop. Best way to make some new riding friends. Though probably, your new friends may last a little longer if you start off with a nice pumptrack. No drivetrain, no suspension, no worries.
  • 35 2
 "God (or The Flying Spaghetti Monster) grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot ride without crippling myself, the courage to session the things I *think* I can ride, and the wisdom to know the difference.”
  • 31 0
 R'amen
  • 8 0
 Your comment is a-pasta-cy!!
  • 10 0
 Mmmmm... Sacralicious!
  • 30 0
 Answer can change depending on location
  • 29 0
 I session a whole trail
  • 5 0
 And I session the whole trail *on* a Session. Do I win?
  • 3 0
 @sngltrkmnd: only if the trail looks like a session too.
  • 23 2
 Am I the only one who sessions the ups? I'll repeat a cool feature on the way down but clearing a technical ascent is what really does it for me!
  • 3 0
 Nope, I prolly session up sections 3:1 vs downhill, which is partially because of my enduro based biked. I don't have too much trouble not dabbing a whole downhill section because the bike is so capable pointed down, but it most surely sucks going up. That and I kinda like climbing technical stuff.
  • 11 0
 @woofer2609: I have an "impossible climb" on my backyard trails and I mark my progress with a stick in the ground. I'm gonna get up it this summer.
  • 1 0
 No, I also love to session climbs. But did anyone in the comment section claim to only session the descends though?
  • 2 0
 I’ve found this to be more of a regional thing.

I live in the desert southwest, where there’s endless fun but challenging technical climbs. It’s normal to find groups of people sessioning features just like rock climbers on bouldering problems. Most of these people would still tell you they live for the downhills, but they’re almost equally stoked when they finally nail a difficult section of tech climb they’ve been working on.

When I describe this to people from parts of California, or the PNW, that mainly ride up boring fire roads, they look at me like I have two heads.
  • 2 0
 @mrosie: PNW is full of steep tech climbs with slick roots and rocks, don't know who you are talking to.
  • 21 0
 My skateboarding background has a BMX background
  • 13 0
 If I am with others, and there is a sort of incentive to progress and someone to bounce off of about things, I don't mind stopping and just making a day out of one section of trail. If I am alone, I only stop if I've messed up and come in off line and had to stop. And if it's above my pay grade I'm always ok with walking a feature and continuing on like nothing happened. I need others around not just for safety reasons but to get a temperature on what we're doin, what the speed is, which line is best, etc.
  • 9 0
 Need an answer thats both. Because sometimes I like long pedals and sometimes I like an evening of mucking around on a trail riding diferent sections over and over. Sometimes If I cbf going for a pedal or the trails aren't open I find a good spot and practice skills, often thats the most satasfying ride.
  • 8 0
 I of course recognize the need to prevent traffic jams on trails, but a huge pet peeve is "no session" trails that want you to keep riding through and do a 3-mile loop just to get back to the feature again. How are kids supposed to get better if they can't session stuff?
  • 5 1
 Sounds like a scam to get people to buy ebikes
  • 1 0
 Pedal back up and hit it again. Get ripped
  • 10 0
 There are 'no session' trails!? Honestly didn't think that was a thing. If its just Karen's or Chad's that are demanding it they can step off. Let folks figure it out for themselves as needed.
  • 3 0
 @wilsonians: they aren't actually called no session trails, but yeah there are jump trails near me that have very aggressive signs telling you to keep riding and don't stop and under NO circumstances turn around and push your bike back up to try part of the line again.
I get it if it's a true dirt jump line or something short, but this is a relatively long trail where the option is seriously a 1.5–2 mile ride around. Ridiculous! I wouldn't be half the rider I am today without pushing/riding back up and sessioning jumps and features a bunch of times
  • 12 1
 @steezysam: that's because there are idiots out there that will blindly push up the back sides of 25mph jump lines. Common sense is unfortunately not that common and signs/ rules are established to account for the lowest denominator.
  • 11 0
 Can't stop, won't stop, GameStop
  • 9 0
 I prefer to ride through things in the moment, I find when I stop and session I think too much and I actually ride worse...vs just seeing something and reacting.
  • 7 0
 Everyone deserves that one friend who just consistently sends the jumps instilling a sense of confidence, Allowing you to follow behind and hit jumps you have no business hitting. Thanks Brad Walton!
  • 5 0
 I think this is one of the bigger differences in how generations enjoy riding, and kind of interesting in how the sport changes. Talking with my dad and his friends, stopping to session a feature is definitely not on their list to do, nor is it something I can recall hearing about from other people in the generation that came before me.
  • 4 0
 I've been mountain biking for 30 years and me and my buddies have always stopped to session features. I think it just depends on the riding style of the people you ride with. Maybe it's regional too, if your in an area with lots of tech or jumps you will probably session more, if it's mostly singletrack you will probably just cruise.
  • 2 0
 @shami: That's a good point, I bet region plays into that a fair bit. Thanks for chiming in!
  • 1 0
 i've been mountain biking for 3 years ... and the more trails on my Completed list the better! There's no trailforks points for sessioning the same trail twice :-D
  • 8 0
 Session this beer in the parking lot
  • 4 0
 This is a situational question it really depends on a bunch of different factors...weather, solo or size of group, trail type, feature size, steepness, time window, your mood...... That is why shuttling was invented, you get to session the entire trail.
  • 5 0
 While I totally agree that re-riding sections will make you a better rider, I want to see as many things as possible and therefore generally don't session parts of trail.
  • 7 0
 god, I must be so board.
  • 19 0
 wood you please try not to be?
  • 11 1
 @rocky-x: nailed it.
  • 7 1
 I logged in to say this.
  • 4 0
 yeah, he must be stumped.
  • 4 0
 Fir real?
  • 5 0
 Oak-ay?
  • 3 0
 In regards to the survey: I just lumber along.
  • 3 0
 What a re-leaf, I'm not alone.
  • 2 0
 I like to session things, but one of my riding buddies is always in a hurry to get to the bottom to shuttle back to the top for another lap, and the other 2 have to get home to their wives and kids.

That wasn’t an option for the poll.
  • 1 0
 Always keen for another lap, but my buddies are always too slow or leaving me for their wife and kids!
  • 6 0
 No, no, noooooo. Outside will not have my data.
  • 2 0
 Could only amswer the first one, but only with one eye closed. I usually ride a loop. Often conntecting trails which i'll ride a few days later again. So sessioning in this regard. But don't stop usually to look at one corner. I'm also not out there to log miles. I'm out there to turn off for 1.5-2 h and ride some bikes, not hike back up.
  • 2 0
 I can ride for 3-4 hours some days and only cover around 12km because I find features on trails that are fun and will spend up to half an hour just sessioning those sections. Its all about having fun and some trail sections are boring AF while others are fun AF.....
  • 3 1
 I think this is a super interesting poll. What draws me to mountain biking is the ability to go out and explore nature, as well as being able to push my body to its limit, less so the actual terrain that I ride. Naturally my priority is mileage, and even when I am riding the same trail repeatedly in a loop (does that count as sessioning?) my goal is to go further. Riding the trail and its features with more skill (and therefore faster) is a means to an end, not my goal. Now when my opportunities to ride are limited by weather and the race season is far away, I am actively trying to reprogram myself to be okay with stopping and enjoying features and chasing the adrenaline and joy that comes with conquering a tough feature over and over, rather than perennially chasing the gratification of riding further, faster, and the pain that comes with it. I think that people mountain bike for vastly different reasons and have different priorities on their rides that dictate their willingness to stop and do something again.
  • 2 0
 I'm forever telling myself I should session more features. But apart from the odd session at local dirt jumps, that very rarely translates into actual sessioning. Most rides I get too caught up in enjoying the ride, and squander opportunities to improve my riding. Oh well. One of these days...
  • 8 4
 First I do just the tip, then when iv got the trail good and wet I ride it until my legs are good and shaky.
  • 2 0
 Sounds like you’re riding happy trails all the way down?
  • 1 0
 When I rode as a kid, if I had to stop and look at something too long it was usually a sign that my confidence was weakened and that I should pass on riding it. But bikes were different (rigid frame) and trail features were not as extreme.
  • 1 0
 Used to be in the racer camp, trying to get Strava KOMs. I have reformed and begun to session spots where I'd dab, or not feel confident. I'm not as fast overall, but I'm a much better rider and able to ride trails that "fast me" was not skilled enough to tackle.
  • 1 0
 This poll was kind of narrow in scope. Some local trails where I live don’t merit sessioning. Dabs are rare, even the side hits are easy.

Other places (looking at you Curt Gowdy SP) are so techy that it’s a waste of good features and alt lines to just roll for miles.

Location matters as much as intent.
  • 1 0
 Ski jump corner training is how to truly get fast. No brakes. Work your way up the hill. Crash. Session til you don't. Go higher. Progress. Repeat on different styles of corners or sections. Commit, and you will be a shredder in 2 years...guaranteed
  • 1 0
 Most mtb rides just link up trails, maybe hit a favourite twice. So I answered that way.

I ride pump track(3-4x/week) and dirt jumps (occasionally) so def get in my share of jumps. I also grew up on BMX and riding park on bike and skateboard.

When I was early twenties we shuttled DH runs all weekend every weekend. Played in the street on DJ bikes every spare second . Night sessioned skate parks. I find all that now that I am in my 40'sg that it translates into the majority of stuff working out well first time on the mtb.
  • 1 0
 I only session,. My local trail system is lame xc trails. They only good things is the dirt jumps I build. Last time i did a ride and didn't session anything was prob half a year ago. Even in the bikepark ill sessions. I do have a BMX background too.
  • 3 0
 I love the adventure, but if there's a sick jump line or rock garden, certainly will push back up and go again.
  • 4 2
 Yes.

Why do so many of these polls assume everyone only ever rides in one very specific way? Says a lot about the authors, maybe.
  • 1 0
 they gave lots of answers...?
  • 2 0
 do not care about performing, just wanna ride a max. Winning a second won't make it more fun but stopping every 15sec sure make it boring
  • 1 0
 sessions basically moved me away from my old group, that never really stopped except to pee or burn a bowl. so i came across a dude that really liked to session and talk lines…and my riding improved in a major way.
  • 2 0
 I never go for a ride. I go for a sesh'. It's from my surfing background. The earth is one giant static wave. Surf the earth. Line fever started in the ocean for me.
  • 10 11
 I often get the impression thay new generation of riders (not just the youngsters) seems to completely miss this aspect of improving their skills by repeating segments and they would rather trim down features than try them a couple of times and learn something...
  • 8 0
 I think this is completely location biased. Here in the UK at least, kiddies and new riders are borderline forced into sessioning small, sections of trail, because our hills get no bigger than the average door stop.
  • 11 1
 Yup, a lot of the gnar here on the NS is being turned into flow. Yawn. Dumbing down trails sucks, build new trails that flow to attract riders. Damnit, I demand my baby heads and Chunder!
  • 4 0
 @Jaib06: Especially with the younger generation. Maybe it’s an age thing. There are some RIPPERS in the UK, and it’s just that culture of groups of people out-egging each other that pushes their talent through the roof. I used to session stuff back in the day when me and my mates were out, Maybe it’s because of having a DH bike, you are mostly pushing anyway. Whereas now with a normal/E bike and time not being on your side, and riding mostly alone you just want to get a few of your favourites done before the clock runs out. Who knows.
  • 4 0
 @woofer2609: don’t blame that shit on the kids.
  • 3 0
 I’ve been coaching kids for years and would say the opposite.

The emphasis for kids these days is more on skills development. When even XC courses can be super technical, skill work is a must.

That said, there can/should still be more emphasis on skills fundamentals for beginning riders, especially kids.
  • 3 0
 @wyorider: I also agree it is the other way around. The younger population have no problem sessioning stuff. The "experienced", veterans do. And I'm one of the few in between groups. We have couple of local enduro trails on one hill and it is great for sessioning as it is full of technical terrain and has some tables, gaps etc.

So when these veterans hit those trails it is white knuckled bombing down for 4 minutes without stopping, without any technique, no heaven-forbid "style", just as fast as possible. Then 20 min uphill to do it all over again. They all cite segment times, not wanting to cool down etc. "You don't stop in a race", while nobody of them races etc.

I absolutely hate that kind of riding. It takes away one of the great pleasures of mountain biking that is learning and improving. Those guys cannot clear a table cleanly and they don't care. Some of them made a better strava time than you, and that means sessioning is waste of time and you're a naive amateur for even suggesting it.

Younger guys I admire much more. They have this wide-eyed look and have no problem testing stuff out and learning. So when those two groups ride together (rarely nowadays unfortunately), young guys melt faces with both technique and speed. Then the old guys grumble dumbstruck ("how is that even possible, the guys must be some riding geniuses, I could never do that"), while sessioning their rakija, blaming their age, and everyone else just because it is "so unnatural to stop mid ride to session a feature".
  • 2 0
 This is definitely true in some areas and is a big contributor to "grade creep." I think it's also due in part to the fact that nearly every single MTB video is flow trails with jumps and tricks and no gnar.

On the other hand, our local dirt jumps got nearly unrideable because the people who spend a lot of time there progressively make nearly every jump there bigger as they improve.
  • 2 0
 Juding from the 200+ episodes of Friday Fails so far, there is a whole lot of sessioning features going on by MTBers.
  • 3 0
 Where's "I don't but I should"?
  • 2 0
 When I'm riding by myself I just keep on rolling. With friends we stop and session features.
  • 4 0
 That’s why I can’t session. No friends. :-/
  • 1 0
 Not enough of a spectrum in the answers. If something is fun or challenging then there's a good chance I'll session the shit out of it.
  • 2 0
 If you don't ride a session when you session did you actually session?
  • 3 1
 No, the clock is ticking and power average goes down.
  • 3 0
 What's BMX?
  • 2 0
 No suspension
  • 2 0
 Bicycle MotoCross. Yea they were on to ebikes back in the 80s
  • 2 1
 I guess you dont have a BMX background. Frown
  • 2 0
 I live my life one corner at a time.
  • 1 0
 If you don't mess around in your yard / the park once in a while how else would you learn to trackstand/wheelie/stoppie?
  • 1 0
 Please ask some pros if they think they could possibly benefit from riding a section for few times...
  • 1 0
 I do both, at the same time without stopping; and also either, simultaneously.
  • 1 0
 nice to session and film features or sections once in a while. nothing beats a perfect run down the full trail
  • 1 0
 $1.50 and a Strava KOM will get you a cup of coffee at McDonalds. Stopping to session some rad sections of trail: priceless.
  • 1 0
 Some trails are great to work individual section and some are better to do full laps of.
  • 1 0
 I ride everything blind at full speed and when I crash I try and sue the trail builders and land managers.
  • 1 0
 no only if its a new feature option?
  • 2 1
 I only session when it looks like a session.
  • 1 0
 I'll get my social media footage one way or another.....damnit.
  • 1 0
 Wow..shows how there's very few real mountain bikers out there..
  • 1 0
 No option for all of the above?
  • 1 0
 What’s with BMX backgrounds? Haha
  • 2 0
 Sessssh
  • 1 0
 Gap jumps are best served blind….
  • 2 3
 There are very few technical features on my local trails that I couldn’t do first try…
  • 5 0
 You’re either Nico Vink or need to find somewhere better to ride lol
  • 1 0
 Road trip!
  • 4 0
 Username checks out
  • 2 0
 @rich-2000: the trails are VERY boring.
  • 5 0
 @unrooted: Sadly, one of the major considerations for where me and my family are going to live is how good the trails are, especially if they can be ridden to.
Then I try and find some other reason that the family should move there; "Honey, I found a study that said the arctic outflows that rush down the valley and through Squamish make for extremely healthy air quality for kids. We should move there."
  • 1 0
 @woofer2609:
Yea totally. My wife wants to move to the coast. And I’m like, yea thats cool as long as the coast is backed by mountains...
  • 1 0
 @woofer2609: the only downside I know of concerning Squamish would be the cost of living, it has to be the most wonderful place to raise children, if you want healthy, active kids.
  • 1 0
 Sounds like you need to move.
  • 1 0
 @wyorider: I’d like to…
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