First Look: Renthal Fatbar Carbon

Jul 18, 2014 at 2:27
by Matt Wragg  


Renthal Fatbar Carbon

When Renthal launched their Fatbar Carbon Lite last year, the most prominent question in the comments was, "Why aren't they doing a wider bar?" This simple answer is, they were. Renthal don't rush things though - their lock-on grips took about three years before they were ready to release them. We're quite glad Renthal didn't rush either, because if there was a list of components on a bike that you need to trust the manufacturer of, we'd argue that a carbon handlebar is at the very top of that list. Why? Because if a handlebar fails it's going to be ugly - yes, forks, frame, wheels and any other component aren't good if they fail, but a failed handlebar means you're going forwards and down, not a good direction to be heading in. Throw in the fact that you can't see damage in carbon and that any failure will probably involved sharp jagged edges, and you can see why you need to trust the company making your handlebar. So we're glad that Renthal took their sweet time before giving us the Fatbar Carbon - a product we suspect many weight-conscious downhilllers have been waiting for.
Details

Intended use: Trail/all-mountain/enduro/freeride/DH
Width: 780mm
Rise: 10, 20, 30 and 40mm
Upsweep: 5 degrees
Backsweep: 7 degrees
Clamping diameter: 31.8mm only
Weight: 225g
MSRP: $164.99 USD
Available: Now


Renthal Fatbar carbon
When you re paying this kind of money for handlebar it has to look good and we reckon the Fatbar Carbon does not disappoint. We are big fans of the black and gold colourscheme. Like all Renthal bars it features clear marking on the ends and centre for cutting and positioning.
  When you're paying this kind of money for handlebar it has to look good and, we reckon, the Fatbar Carbon does not disappoint. We are big fans of the black and gold color scheme. Like all Renthal bars it features clear marking on the ends and center for cutting and positioning.

Doing their market research, Renthal discovered that there was a bigger market for the 740mm bar, so introduced that one first. If you're asking, "Why didn't they just make a longer bar and let people chop it down after?" The answer to the question is two-fold. First there is the question of weight. A longer bar means you have more leverage, so the bar needs to be built stronger to cope with that. So, following that logic through, if you make a shorter bar, you can use less material and make it lighter, as it needs to deal with smaller leverage forces.

The other question is a topic Renthal are one of the foremost proponents off - ride feel. When they develop their bars, they run blind tests with riders to determine what characteristics they want from the bar - trying to find the best combinations between comfort and stiffness for riders. If we go back to the leverage forces, the material that keeps the bar stiff is there in a precise layup to work with that amount of leverage. If you shorten the bar, you reduce the leverage and change the ride-feel of the bar, making it harsher, degrading the comfort Renthal worked hard to build into the bar. Market manager, Ian Collins, is very clear on this matter, "We don't believe you can make one bar fits all. We don't think you should make an 810mm bar and say 'well, you can cut it down to 740mm, if you want.' Yes, you can cut it down, but it isn't going to ride right."

A comparison of form. All three of these bars are 20mm rise - the top is a Fatbar Lite Carbon at its full 740mm the middle is the Fatbar carbon cut to 760mm at the bottom is a Fatbar at its full 780mm. Comparing the two carbon bars you can see that the extra width for the Fatbar Carbon over the Fatbar Carbon Lite comes from the centre - they haven t just added longer tips it is a completely different bar. With the ali bar you can see how much simpler a shape the ali version is it illustrates the change in approach needed to produce a bar in carbon rather than metal.
  A comparison of form. All three of these bars are 20mm rise - the top is a Fatbar Lite Carbon at its full 740mm, the middle is the Fatbar carbon cut to 760mm; at the bottom is a Fatbar at its full 780mm. Comparing the two carbon bars, you can see that the extra width for the Fatbar Carbon over the Fatbar Carbon Lite comes from the center - they haven't just added longer tips, it is a completely different bar. With the aluminum bar, you can see how much simpler a shape it is, which illustrates the change in approach needed to produce a bar in carbon rather than metal.

One interesting detail with this new, longer carbon bar is that they didn't exactly match the feel of the counterpart aluminum bar, as they did with the Carbon Fatbar Light, they ended up reducing the stiffness in this bar, as they felt the switch in material required a slight change in the ride feel. "We wanted to get it as close as possible to the aluminum one, again," explains Ian. "But we knew we needed to make it a little bit softer, just because of the natural frequency of carbon. If we'd made it as stiff as the aluminum bar, it would have felt too harsh. So it is ever so slightly softer. You don't feel it in terms of steering control, but it takes that edge off, that you don't get with aluminum."

Where this bar is different to their Fatbar Light Carbon is in the crash durability. As Ian sets out, "We don't recommend people ride downhill with that bar. That's not because the bar's not strong enough to ride downhill, it's to do with crash durability. When you've got a twin crown fork you've also got a limited steering angle. If you crash, the bar can't spin out of the way and a lot of force can be generated, which is much greater than you'll ever put through it riding the bike, so we built a lot more crash durability into this handlebar. We didn't go all-out to make this lightest bar possible, we wanted to retain that crash durability too."

Renthal Fatbar carbon
  The bar we have been running for a month or so now - a 20mm rise bar, cut down to 760mm

Riding Impressions

We've been using the Fatbar Carbon for a month or so now and the truth is we don't have much to report. While we liked the Fatbar Lite Carbon and came to accept its 740mm width, moving back to a full-sized bar did feel good. We cut our test bar down to 760mm, which is where we were running the aluminum predecessor for several years. It is worth noting that if you are going to cut a carbon bar down, you need a carbon-specific saw so you don't damage the carbon fibers with the saw blade, compromising the structure of the bar. If you have ridden the aluminum version, then this bar will feel instantly familiar - we ran that bar for so long precisely because it felt so good and that feeling and shape is still there. If anything we would say that the ride is ever so slightly nicer on the carbon bar, it did seem to damp the vibration from the trail slightly more, which helped on long, alpine descents. We're sure some of you are asking whether that slight improvement in feel is worth the $65 upcharge over the aluminum bar, and would we say no, it isn't. What's more, we're pretty sure Renthal would agree with us there. Why this bar would be worth the money is for the weight-saving. At more than 100g lighter than the aluminum version, that is a noticeable chunk of weight, especially if you consider other components looking for similar savings. You definitely won't find that kind of weight saving on the cranks, wheels or frame for that much money... Yes, it isn't cheap, but on those kind of maths it will certainly look like reasonable value for some people. What's more, Renthal are still going to offer the aluminum bar, which was good enough for Gwin and Brosnan to win World Cups on this year if you are put off by the price. For those who can afford it, the Fatbar Carbon is a perfect piece of kit.

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89 Comments
  • 27 0
 I hate bars with steep bends that are too close together(half the bars on the market). This is why I love my Renthals, perfect sweep and geo, Renthal truly gets it.
  • 7 1
 Geo on bars is a personal preference. I personally hate Renthals 7° back sweep and much prefer a 9° on a bar. Hence I've ditched my Renthals for some Nukeproof ones. Each to their own.
  • 10 4
 @Matt76

had Renthal, prefer Easton

personal preference. great we have so much choice on the market!
  • 5 1
 Yup, same here, find I like a 9 back, 5 up, but I also find it changes with bar width, more back sweep on a longer bar. I feel like sharp back bends feel really confidence inspiring on switchbacks, feels like you can just "yank" the bike right around them. It's all about what feels good to the individual, though.
  • 1 0
 I absolutely love the 7° backsweep of my renthal... Some time ago I searched for a lighter handlebar, but it looks like only a few brands make bars with 7° backsweep (renthal, reverse and thomson), or do i miss some?
  • 1 0
 Truvativ, deity, Kore, spank, pro, NS come to mind.

I love the handling of a 5x7° bar like the renthal but unfortunately have never found one that doesn't give me sore wrists and hands in rough terrain. Im always looking for bars that are made from al2014 as they have always felt best to me.

Right now im using a...ahem NC17 316 S-pro big D. 5x9° and importantly made from grade AL2014.aluminium.
  • 1 0
 I love my Funn Fatboy's bend at 8x5.5, but I also liked my old Boobar 780 with its 7x4. Had a Gravity 777 with like 11deg sweep, but it hurt my thumbs. I think I like the greater upsweep of the Funn, gets my elbows up. I'd love a carbon Funn Fatboy, but realistically I'm probably not gonna spend my money on one.
  • 2 0
 I know peeps are gonna hate but i have to say that the best 780m bar is the deity blacklables. JMO
  • 1 0
 May i ask for what particular reasons?
  • 2 0
 I was referring to the distance between the bends, not the actual backsweep, although I do think renthal nailed the backsweep and more importantly the upsweep. What I meant was, It doesn't feel or look right when you have a 780mm wide bar and the back sweep starts really close to the stem. Not only does it feel bad(for those that run full 780), it looks bad when you have a higher rise bar with super steep up bends and near 45 degree angles to achieve that height. So it is a geometry aswell as an aesthetic issue. No doubt a weaker design too with such sharp bends put in the tubing.

Also, ideal sweep geometry is going to change with how wide you run your bar, ontop of physical differences between riders. I run my renthal full width and it feels perfect for me, but if you run yours at 740 you're not getting the same feel. This is why Renthal gets it, they understand the relation of things to make a product work and feel well. Wider bar, wider bends and a layup to suit it.
  • 21 1
 Finally! It feels like I have been waiting my whole life for this bar to be released. Awesome!
  • 25 0
 Not going to lie I buy Renthal products just so I get more moto/wild on my bike. At least I think I get more moto (probably not actually the case!).
  • 5 0
 or it may literally be the case
  • 13 1
 cutting carbon you need to be very careful to not ingest any dust. Carbon fiber dust is worse for you than asbestos. Use an expensive mask and do it where you can control the debris.
  • 2 0
 did not know that, thank you. By worse, do you mean as a carcinogen, or as an abrasive material? I guess it would be the epoxy right?
  • 2 0
 I would imagine the fibers, much like asbestos, would get lodged in, cut, and scar the lungs.
  • 3 0
 deadly. serious care needs to be taken. I am amazed at how mags tell grooms to get out a saw and start cutting.
  • 10 5
 Looks like waffles... I like waffles.
  • 14 1
 Do you like blue waffles?
  • 3 1
 Can I get green eggs and ham with the blue waffles?
  • 4 1
 more likely gammon that smells of eggs
  • 14 10
 Cool, but the Raceface SixC seems better in every way. Lighter, colour options, and cheaper AFAIK.
  • 2 1
 yes its true, but SixC don't come in 30 or 40mm rise on their 31.8 clamp. hope the street price is lower dan retail price
  • 3 1
 Agree with you, SixC more appealing if i ever wanna embrace the carbon thing..
  • 4 1
 I love my SIXC 785 low rise ape hangers.
  • 6 5
 Except the sixc is (almost certainly) the bar which Enve benchmarked against and which broke in their tests. They didn't call it out but the implication was strong enough. See the comments on this thread: www.pinkbike.com/news/Enve-Minnaarbar-Greg-Minnaar-Replica-808-millimeter-Carbon-DH-Handlebar.html

Should have added:

Mtbr: How does 150 drops at max height compare to others?
Jake: We tested a popular Brand A aluminum bar at 345 grams and a Brand B carbon bar from a competitor that was 785 wide and 225 grams. The Brand A aluminum bar at nearly 100 grams heavier bent to unrideable proportions after 40 or so drops. The Brand B competitor’s carbon bar broke at 32” or after 5 drops and never made max height.

reviews.mtbr.com/video-enve-dh-minnaarbar-impact-test

Would be interesting to see a test between the enve and the renthal. It's a shame people don't have testing rigs in their garages!
  • 8 0
 Yes, but Renthal. Yeeaaahhhh mx racer yeeaaah
  • 10 0
 Speculation is a waste of time.
  • 1 7
flag bubbrubb (Jul 21, 2014 at 5:25) (Below Threshold)
 I mean, it's just another carbon bar. How many of you have actually snapped a carbon bar? This one just says Renthal and has disgusting graphics.
  • 3 9
flag jaame (Jul 21, 2014 at 6:00) (Below Threshold)
 I bet the Enve bar and this Renthal one are made in the same factory. I bet you. Is the SixC one made in Canada?

If you got one of these and the new Apex stem you could save a good few grams over the Spank setup that I'm currently loving. At a fair cost I might add, not one that I'd be paying for my two hours a week (and that's a good week) riding time. I might get the stem, but wait until I see this bar on sale next year or something. I couldn't justify that money on a bar when Spank stuff is so good and cheap.

Thumbs up though Renthal, it looks like a great product. Definitely on the "want" list.
  • 7 1
 Another thing that I find amusing about Enve is the Minnaarbar only has one rise option, which is too low for the man himself, hence why he always has about 15-20mm of spacers under his stem. Renthal have obviously inversted in this bar, knowing that its popularity is going to outlast a currently very fashionable four letter logo across the middle.
  • 4 3
 The enve bar is made in the US.
  • 1 1
 Is that a fact?
  • 1 0
 Yeah its why you got negative props. They were manufactured in Asia at first but Enve wasn't happy with the quality so they moved production to their US base.
  • 2 0
 Well, I was wrong. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
  • 2 0
 I've never seen or heard of a SIXC bar break (everything can break though....). I've also seen first hand some of the in-house testing first hand that Raceface do, so I'm not sure of the relevance in quoting an alleged test.
  • 1 0
 There isn't any use in posting speculation.
  • 1 0
 I know the Enve rims are US made, but are the bars? I heard they moved component production offshore. If that is the case, there is little point in choosing Enve over Easton. Biggest waste of money has got to be that Enve DH stem though!
There are quite a few pros in DH running the 20mm rise 9/5 setup! Yeah, I know Greg, Peaty, and Miami all run stem spacers up the wahzoo on them, but Belki, Ragot, Bruni all on Easton as well. (Yeah, I know sponsor agreements)
I just installed a 780mm Fatbar 30mm on the DH bike today. Will see how that bar is, if I like the angles I'd likely make the upgrades across the quiver to run Rethal carbon bars. The last WC DH race at the finish I caught a glimpse of Pom Pons bike and had to rewind to see that she was running carbon bars.
I have found in the past that Race Face and Chromag give weird wrist pain/arm pump, so look forward to trying these bars out
  • 1 0
 40mm hell yeah want for DH bike and Enduro bike, run std alloy Renthal bars n lock on Kev grips now, but alloy bar is too harsh very stiff compared to anything else, love the bend though and strength, feel very secure, but does add to hand fatigue! Btw where can you get these now, no where here has them yet, cheers
  • 4 0
 THAT's Nice. ! But prrsonnaly I m waiting the BOOBAR carbon!!
  • 1 0
 Can someone explain me that ??? The signature Jérome Cl. Bar blackbox is carbon too, 760 MM, and weights 240 grams, for a price of 198$ =179 €.. Here we ve got 780mm, less weight, and less expansive !!! Joke??
  • 5 0
 because blackbox sounds very fast.
  • 2 0
 Scroll down to the 12th photo, bar broke at the grip when he washed out in a loose turn.
www.pinkbike.com/news/big-mountain-enduro-3-keystone-colorado-2014.html
  • 1 0
 Looks like there's no question which bars I'll be running on the new DH sled I'm planning on building. I've been loving my FatBar 780 and duo stem.

..."Cool story bro"

Damn right it is!
  • 3 0
 nice. guess that bar just made it on my short list.
  • 4 0
 But that color......
  • 3 1
 Now they just need to fire their paint department and we got some cool bars...
  • 1 0
 Kudos to Renthal for making a 40mm rise bar (for us tall folks).
Since Easton can't get the 35mm Haven Carbon to market, this Renthal is going on my ride.
  • 2 0
 I have the fatbars and they make everythig feel easy
  • 1 1
 I was a big Renthal fan until I got the Deity DC31 Mohawk bars, changed because Deity offer colours and I wanted blue graphics. After riding the DC31 I'll never go back.
  • 1 0
 awww yeah! i'm gonna buy one of these with the new apex stem! i can't find them anywhere though...
  • 3 0
 yes please!
  • 2 0
 still waiting on a nw ring from them
  • 1 0
 Very nice looking bar. Interesting to see what company's are still yet to come out with a 35mm bar.
  • 1 0
 Aluminium 780mm version with 40mm rise should be nice! Smile
  • 1 0
 So do u go carbon or alloy?..
  • 1 0
 Not enough back sweep = sore wrists
  • 1 0
 still no 35mm diameter...
  • 2 0
 not necessary with a carbon handlebar
  • 2 1
 "Available: Now"...uh, where? Can't find these online anywhere...
  • 1 0
 Thinking the same thing.
  • 1 0
 Not sure about online stores, but this bar's been available in Morzine LBS for a few months now, It's incredibly light compared to the aluminium version.
  • 1 0
 joystick anolog are 223grams for a 800 mm bar..
  • 1 0
 Just got mine
  • 1 1
 goood...................
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