Renthal Fatbar Carbon
When Renthal launched their Fatbar Carbon Lite last year, the most prominent question in the comments was, "Why aren't they doing a wider bar?" This simple answer is, they were. Renthal don't rush things though - their lock-on grips took about three years before they were ready to release them. We're quite glad Renthal didn't rush either, because if there was a list of components on a bike that you need to trust the manufacturer of, we'd argue that a carbon handlebar is at the very top of that list. Why? Because if a handlebar fails it's going to be ugly - yes, forks, frame, wheels and any other component aren't good if they fail, but a failed handlebar means you're going forwards and down, not a good direction to be heading in. Throw in the fact that you can't see damage in carbon and that any failure will probably involved sharp jagged edges, and you can see why you need to trust the company making your handlebar. So we're glad that Renthal took their sweet time before giving us the Fatbar Carbon - a product we suspect many weight-conscious downhilllers have been waiting for. | Details Intended use: Trail/all-mountain/enduro/freeride/DH Width: 780mm Rise: 10, 20, 30 and 40mm Upsweep: 5 degrees Backsweep: 7 degrees Clamping diameter: 31.8mm only Weight: 225g MSRP: $164.99 USD Available: Now
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Doing their market research, Renthal discovered that there was a bigger market for the 740mm bar, so introduced that one first. If you're asking, "Why didn't they just make a longer bar and let people chop it down after?" The answer to the question is two-fold. First there is the question of weight. A longer bar means you have more leverage, so the bar needs to be built stronger to cope with that. So, following that logic through, if you make a shorter bar, you can use less material and make it lighter, as it needs to deal with smaller leverage forces.
The other question is a topic Renthal are one of the foremost proponents off - ride feel. When they develop their bars, they run blind tests with riders to determine what characteristics they want from the bar - trying to find the best combinations between comfort and stiffness for riders. If we go back to the leverage forces, the material that keeps the bar stiff is there in a precise layup to work with that amount of leverage. If you shorten the bar, you reduce the leverage and change the ride-feel of the bar, making it harsher, degrading the comfort Renthal worked hard to build into the bar. Market manager, Ian Collins, is very clear on this matter, "We don't believe you can make one bar fits all. We don't think you should make an 810mm bar and say 'well, you can cut it down to 740mm, if you want.' Yes, you can cut it down, but it isn't going to ride right."
One interesting detail with this new, longer carbon bar is that they didn't exactly match the feel of the counterpart aluminum bar, as they did with the Carbon Fatbar Light, they ended up reducing the stiffness in this bar, as they felt the switch in material required a slight change in the ride feel. "We wanted to get it as close as possible to the aluminum one, again," explains Ian. "But we knew we needed to make it a little bit softer, just because of the natural frequency of carbon. If we'd made it as stiff as the aluminum bar, it would have felt too harsh. So it is ever so slightly softer. You don't feel it in terms of steering control, but it takes that edge off, that you don't get with aluminum."
Where this bar is different to their Fatbar Light Carbon is in the crash durability. As Ian sets out, "We don't recommend people ride downhill with that bar. That's not because the bar's not strong enough to ride downhill, it's to do with crash durability. When you've got a twin crown fork you've also got a limited steering angle. If you crash, the bar can't spin out of the way and a lot of force can be generated, which is much greater than you'll ever put through it riding the bike, so we built a lot more crash durability into this handlebar. We didn't go all-out to make this lightest bar possible, we wanted to retain that crash durability too."
Riding Impressions
We've been using the Fatbar Carbon for a month or so now and the truth is we don't have much to report. While we liked the Fatbar Lite Carbon and came to accept its 740mm width, moving back to a full-sized bar did feel good. We cut our test bar down to 760mm, which is where we were running the aluminum predecessor for several years. It is worth noting that if you are going to cut a carbon bar down, you need a carbon-specific saw so you don't damage the carbon fibers with the saw blade, compromising the structure of the bar. If you have ridden the aluminum version, then this bar will feel instantly familiar - we ran that bar for so long precisely because it felt so good and that feeling and shape is still there. If anything we would say that the ride is ever so slightly nicer on the carbon bar, it did seem to damp the vibration from the trail slightly more, which helped on long, alpine descents. We're sure some of you are asking whether that slight improvement in feel is worth the $65 upcharge over the aluminum bar, and would we say no, it isn't. What's more, we're pretty sure Renthal would agree with us there. Why this bar would be worth the money is for the weight-saving. At more than 100g lighter than the aluminum version, that is a noticeable chunk of weight, especially if you consider other components looking for similar savings. You definitely won't find that kind of weight saving on the cranks, wheels or frame for that much money... Yes, it isn't cheap, but on those kind of maths it will certainly look like reasonable value for some people. What's more, Renthal are still going to offer the aluminum bar, which was good enough for Gwin and Brosnan to win World Cups on this year if you are put off by the price. For those who can afford it, the Fatbar Carbon is a perfect piece of kit.
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had Renthal, prefer Easton
personal preference. great we have so much choice on the market!
I love the handling of a 5x7° bar like the renthal but unfortunately have never found one that doesn't give me sore wrists and hands in rough terrain. Im always looking for bars that are made from al2014 as they have always felt best to me.
Right now im using a...ahem NC17 316 S-pro big D. 5x9° and importantly made from grade AL2014.aluminium.
Also, ideal sweep geometry is going to change with how wide you run your bar, ontop of physical differences between riders. I run my renthal full width and it feels perfect for me, but if you run yours at 740 you're not getting the same feel. This is why Renthal gets it, they understand the relation of things to make a product work and feel well. Wider bar, wider bends and a layup to suit it.
Should have added:
Mtbr: How does 150 drops at max height compare to others?
Jake: We tested a popular Brand A aluminum bar at 345 grams and a Brand B carbon bar from a competitor that was 785 wide and 225 grams. The Brand A aluminum bar at nearly 100 grams heavier bent to unrideable proportions after 40 or so drops. The Brand B competitor’s carbon bar broke at 32” or after 5 drops and never made max height.
reviews.mtbr.com/video-enve-dh-minnaarbar-impact-test
Would be interesting to see a test between the enve and the renthal. It's a shame people don't have testing rigs in their garages!
If you got one of these and the new Apex stem you could save a good few grams over the Spank setup that I'm currently loving. At a fair cost I might add, not one that I'd be paying for my two hours a week (and that's a good week) riding time. I might get the stem, but wait until I see this bar on sale next year or something. I couldn't justify that money on a bar when Spank stuff is so good and cheap.
Thumbs up though Renthal, it looks like a great product. Definitely on the "want" list.
There are quite a few pros in DH running the 20mm rise 9/5 setup! Yeah, I know Greg, Peaty, and Miami all run stem spacers up the wahzoo on them, but Belki, Ragot, Bruni all on Easton as well. (Yeah, I know sponsor agreements)
I just installed a 780mm Fatbar 30mm on the DH bike today. Will see how that bar is, if I like the angles I'd likely make the upgrades across the quiver to run Rethal carbon bars. The last WC DH race at the finish I caught a glimpse of Pom Pons bike and had to rewind to see that she was running carbon bars.
I have found in the past that Race Face and Chromag give weird wrist pain/arm pump, so look forward to trying these bars out
www.pinkbike.com/news/big-mountain-enduro-3-keystone-colorado-2014.html
..."Cool story bro"
Damn right it is!
Since Easton can't get the 35mm Haven Carbon to market, this Renthal is going on my ride.
Less weight = better braking, better handling, better acceleration and less rider fatigue. Why would anybody want that?
I had an argument with Race Face on here about their SixC carbon cranks. Race face were saying they were "stronger, lighter, stiffer,better,good enough for DH" than all their other cranks. I asked the question as to why they only warranted them for 3 years and not a lifetime like their Atlas cranks and they couldn't answer the question convincingly. Says it all. Oh go on......give me all the excuses.
I've witnessed many incidents with alloy but I dont go talking rubish like what you do with regards to carbon, at the end of the day both materials can have issues. My Easton Havoc carbon bars have been faultless even after they came in full contact with a tree, I'm still alive many months after that incident.
Fair enough you're entitled to your opinion but you clearly have an agenda!
So again, what's your evidence that THIS bar is "snaptastic"?
Also, at no point have I or anyone else asked about Enve wheels, or any other carbon product!