One of my favourite things about doing this for a living is that I get to talk to interesting people. Over the last decade I have been lucky enough to sit down and get to listen to innovators, trail builders, engineering geniuses, world champions and bicycle gypsies, I even got a to call one or two of them friends. Since the rise of the podcast I can’t help occasionally giggling to myself that while most people have to listen to a recording, I can pick up the phone and chat to these people, ask them dumb questions, disappear to down weird rabbit holes chasing ideas.
Recently I have had a few conversations with a lady who at just 19 years old picked up a bike and rode around the world unsupported. The stories she has are in turns fantastic, hilarious, terrifying and humbling; being held up at knifepoint in rural Spain, chased by a grizzly in Canada or high mountain riding in the Himalayas, all at an age at which most people are busy trying to get drunk and laid in their small corner of the earth. While I’ve probably been riding bikes longer than she has been alive, I’m fairly certain that I will never achieve a fraction of what she has on a bike. It is fair to say I am in awe of her in many ways. Of course, those kind of adventures demand a road bike, and it is only recently that she bought her first mountain bike. It was while chatting about this bike that she confessed to me that she did not feel comfortable calling herself a mountain biker, which makes me think our sport has a problem and we need some nice, clear rules so newcomers can easily feel welcome.
For those not familiar with road cycling, there is a mind-bendingly long and (possibly) tongue-in-cheek website called
The Rules of Cycling. These days they are up to 95 entries. I assumed that they were just a joke until I was on a shoot with the owner of a road clothing brand who was mortified that his chainring had left a greasy ring on his leg. Apparently that is a serious breach of the rules and unforgivable for someone trying to peddle fashion to these people. So after several months of thinking about this, reflecting and reading comments on the internet, I have come up with the definitive, definite and incontrovertible rules of mountain biking, everything you need to do to consider yourself part of the family:
1. Ride a mountain bike.
That’s it.
Actually, the slightly more precise wording should be “ride a bike that you consider to be a mountain bike, preferably on trails,” but it would make for a shit t-shirt and 93.4% of my motivation to write this is the merchandising potential. And to avoid any confusion, yes, I think that means eMTB riders should be allowed to call themselves mountain bikers, if they want to.
What I have seen rising up in our sport is an idea that you need to prove yourself worthy to be part of it. A few years ago a failed, self-proclaimed freeracer posted on his Facebook page that you are not a real mountain biker unless you have tattoos. Apparently despite having ridden for more than 20 years and walked away from a promising career to follow this sport, I am still not worthy (and, more worryingly, this same logic suggests Levy is more worthy than anyone else here at PB). It is clearly bullshit from a would-be hipster, but it is the tip of an iceberg, buoyed by a current flowing through our sport, a web of ideas that coalesce to create an environment that people don’t feel welcome to join.
The one theme I see a lot and take particular offence to is calling people who ride eMTBs as “cheaters”, perpetuating the idea there is some notional bar that we all need to pass. If you start to work your way into this logic, you quickly start to see how toxic it is. After all, if we’re purely talking about physical work, then pushing your 28t chainring and 52t cassette up a fireroad is no more physically demanding than riding an ebike, the only difference is that you’re moving at roughly the same speed as a pensioner with a walking frame. But it’s pure, so that’s fine, even if it is mind-numbingly boring. The point is that if someone is out riding and having fun, why does it matter to you how they choose to do that? Who among us has the right to decide how other people should enjoy mountain biking?
What makes me angry is that over the years I have seen mountain bikers feel (often legitimately) aggrieved that other trail users don’t welcome us onto the trails. That if the walkers, horse riders or whoever would just work with us the situation would be better for everyone. Now eMTB riders are coming along and you’ll never guess what? Rather than welcoming these people with an eye on the bigger picture, mountain bikers are perpetrating the same bullshit towards eMTBers that they have pissed and moaned about receiving themselves for decades. After all, eMTB riders are going to need more or less the same things as riders on regular bikes. In terms of trail advocacy, this gets us to the fundamental truth at the heart of every political idea: if you want to get something done, you need as many people as possible who agree with you. So can you really afford to write off a fresh pool of potential allies?
Climbing back down off my soapbox there are probably some legitimate questions you are asking about now. For instance: what about trail etiquette? What about respecting the trails and the environment? And you’re right to be asking those questions as they are important. Everybody who heads out into the wild should be conscientious, courteous and respectful and that should be fundamental. What that is not, however, is specific to mountain bikers. If you break down every rule for your local trail network, I would put down money that they can all be traced back to those three, essential values.
And if you think I am heading down some weird, angry rabbit-hole, I would ask you to think back to the Repack days. There were no rules, regulations or lists back then - you had to show up with a bike. That was it. Every layer people try to add on top of that takes us one step further from the soul of our sport. Because right now an accomplished cyclist was nervous to try and join a sport that brings joy to so many of us, and, for me, that’s heartbreaking.
F cows.
The cow shit is what it is though. That's what happens when you build trails on crown land lol.
They just get a pass because they're grandfathered in and equestrians typically have deep pockets.
You are the example of dumb that is ruining society.
If the horse Rider really is a trail rider, they would never ride over berms and jumps, because they respect all other trail users and their specific features.
The horse riders you are talking about are rich daughters who don’t know shit about riding and have badly trained horses that don’t know how to behave when a mtb goes by.
This is definitely not the horses fault, but the dumb daughters!
If they would ride regularly on trails to train themselves and their horses and not just every fifth Sunday when one of their rich cousins visits, these horses wouldn’t be a threat to anyone!
Also a well trained horse can go up and down trails most mtb guys can only dream about!
Natural double black diamonds are laughable to a good trail horse.
Snow and mud also isn’t a problem for the horse.
Not even dirtbikes or atvs are capable of riding the stuff lots of horses can do!
Of course I’m not talking about man made stuff like jumps or skinny’s, but real gnarly tech stuff, with disgusting roots, rocks and compressions where 200mm of suspension is barely enough to not die.
I love being able to ride together with my wife and I’d be really mad if there where trails which only bikers or horse riders are allowed on, with no exception.
I'm so sick of this conflation of gears and motors as being somehow pretty much the same thing.
Still, I'm totally fine with people having bad physical fitness and enjoying themselves on an e-bike. It's just frustrating when you're mentally dying on a long climb and being overtaken by a whole family of non sporty e-bike riders .. But that's my problem, not theirs.
Whether ebikes require effort or not is irrelevant to the problem of ebikes masquerading as non-motorized vehicles. No one cares how hard someone is (or isn’t) sweating during their Tuesday ride after work that they have to fit in around kids and responsibilities. The issue is public access for everyone. And as someone who also rides dirt bikes, trying to make the debate about the energy input is hilarious.
I have done several outdoor/mountain sports at an expert or elite level for my entire adult life. A 2.5 hour hare scramble is the most physically demanding thing I’ve ever done, and it isn’t even close.
Yet I can’t ride my moto everywhere, and I shouldn’t be allowed to. Entitled people buying dirt bikes and ignoring the rules has resulted in very few places to ride moto, and many of the areas that remain are at risk of closing due to a small group of riders that ignore basic trail etiquette.
It took decades of advocacy to legitimize dedicated Mtb trails, and with the huge increase in rider numbers the discreet unsanctioned trails are discreet no longer. Assuming the access we have now is guaranteed is a huge mistake; 30 years ago dirt bikes used to be hugely popular and allowed nearly everywhere mountain bikes are allowed now. Entitled users disrespecting the rules ended that.
Finally, gatekeeping isn’t necessarily bad if it’s used to reinforce the rules that preserve the resource that the community depends upon. I don’t care if someone identifies as a mountain biker or not, but I do care that the people using the trails don’t act in a way that jeopardizes it for everyone. If someone abuses the shared resource then I have zero problem with kicking that person out of the group.
In an area with a ton of 2 way trails shared with hikers, e-bikes are causing problems and will continue to do so as they become more prevalent. I'm not some elitist prick, I just don't want to lose access to some fun places because you have unsafe closing speeds and hikers that have to worry about speedy bikes from multiple directions. I have no issue with them on trails that are uphill/downhill only.
On my last moto ride, my buddy and I played leap frog with a pair of trail runners for about an hour. We were slowed by sawing out windfall, having to turn back to take a different route due to creeks running high or snow. All 4 of us got along well, the trail runners actually commented that they were going to get a folding saw too “because runners don’t do enough trail maintenance” (his words). It’s possible to get along.
As far as moto vs ebikes, every line is arbitrary once you add a motor. An Alta MX blazing trail can completely wreck the forest just as well as a fuel injected 250 but with no noise, and an electric staycyc strider is probably less harmful than the typical mountain biker. A Sur Ron isn’t much different from an 85, aside from the price tag.
Class 1 eBikes are way closer to mountain bikes than 450’s. But if a seven year old can’t have any local public lands to ride an electric 50cc around the woods at 4 miles an hour, I can’t really see an argument for opening those lands to adults on eBikes.
The point I was trying to make is that someone who buys a mtb and uses it to commute to work isn’t really a mountain biker. My 60 year old parents own mtb’s but the tyres have never touched anything other than a tarmac cycle path. There was a video a few years back of someone sending A line on a road bike. Martyn Ashton’s road bike party is another prime example. It’s not the bike but the intended use that defines it.
- pick a wheel size and be a dick about it
- pick a brake / groupset brand and be a dick about it
- complain about all new standards
#1: if you have an opinion you suck and you're wrong
I don't think it even matters what kind of bike you ride, I'd welcome CXers and gravel riders to our club more than the guy who bought an On-one S36 as a commuter and traded it in 2 months later because it was "very sluggish" and wouldn't take a pannier rack.
MTB rules:
1. Ride a bike off-road
I love my Taco as much as I love my mountain bikes.
I don't even have a car because I don't need that. Trial's are on my doorstep...
Alps are overall 1h away, trains are common here and they bring you right next to the mountain.
Whatever. Rule Number 2: Be courteous.
As for your other comment, I agree absolutely. I don't have much experience with people on assisted mtb but funny enough it are those "xc types" (unassisted but on lightweight gear and trying to climb fast) who are unwilling to hold back in places where you can't pass, let alone willing to waste breath on saying "hi". The few peeps who have passed me on assisted bikes were much more mellow. After all, they weren't trying to prove anything, nor were they trying to preserve energy or be efficient. They find a spot where they can pass, then they have the power to pass by quickly. Never bothered me. They can say "hi" too.
Mopeds are here to stay - that's a fact. The idea of saying the mountain bike and Moped are somehow equivalent is nonsense. A bicycle is a "human powered" device - a Moped is not. The guy/gal grinding up that trail in their lowest gear may be going slow but they are doing it themselves - the Moped rider is not. Take away the motor and oftentimes you have an individual who cannot. I think a good rule would be simply to tell the truth about your riding. Either you rode the trail - or you and your e-powered friend rode the trail.
I’m sure you’re not going to get laid out.
None whatsoever! I must have misread your tone as I understood you to mean that “mopeds” are not welcome and not entitled to fair access.
If you’re referring to guys strapping Cranked kits to their V10s and blasting up executioner or whatever then I’m all for a hard ban on those. Otherwise I feel I’m in no way (and nor is anyone else) more entitled to ride any trail just because I’m on an acoustic bike …provided we all remember our manners.
I'm blown away by strava warriors who insist on posting every single ride they do on illegal trails and then are gobsmacked when these trails get shut down.
Over here There are now, the odd electric moto X 'hybrids' showing up at trail centres claiming ignorance in "oh but it's an ebike an theyr'e allowed" knowing damn well they ain't.
I forsee a high profile accident maybe a death that will get the attention of authority an ebikes will face more legislation an scrutineers maybe even MOT tax and insurance as a motorised vehicle? Like maybe an ebike rider shows up at a trail centre an shows a disabled card and/or takes the bike to a scrutineer to get a trail pass.
There has even been one report at my local of an ebiker running a young lad off a trail!
This make riding an ebike a hassle for the moto wannabee crowd an just ruin it for the genuine elderly an disabled ebike users.
I reckon 5years they start to go out of fashion an in 10 be a rarity......
The biggest issue in cycling culture is a class divide. Poor cyclists-those who HAVE to ride to get around are considered and treated as inferiors. Bike lanes, bike paths, bike parks and other cycling amenities are built to cater to affluent riders who use bicycles as recreation, not transportation. The bike industry gives ZERO f##ks about making a cheap, durable bike for people who need to get to a job. A bicycle that costs 10k, requires, requires virtually zero effort to use and is optimized for purpose built trails is the epitome of that elitism, shorn of even the work ethic that has historically defined cycling.
So.....f**k your sh**ty smug attitude, and f**k eMTBs-they are a toy for rich people too unfit to ride on trails for their recreation.
The only good guys in my story are the local shops that aren't too cool to squeeze in an economically challenged person's bike before they tune that eBike......so the poor person can get to work.
Years ago at my shop, Northeastern US, extremely seasonal “bike” season for most.. I used to have full dockets daily from March to October and I ALWAYS fit in the poor/homeless/kids to fix their flats, adjust their brakes, etc, usually for no charge and ran late getting the custom litespeed, campy record, Carbon rims before they were cool, tubular swap done and had to endure the wrath of that ...almost 30 years later and helping people that need help, never leaves your mind.
In regards to asking people if they are okay, most of the new riders seem pretty shocked/surprised that I even ask. I thought that was part of the mountain bike code? If you see someone stopped at the side of the trail, ask if they are alright! They may need a tool or a patch or maybe they are out of water. In the last year, I have had maybe one person ask if I was okay, everyone else is head down, ignoring everyone (or worse, they have headphones in).
This Strava group made me grin because it expresses the same sentiment/
www.strava.com/clubs/92910
I bought a 5k ebike and want people to give me props for riding up 1000m all on my own*
"The point is that if someone is out riding and having fun, why does it matter to you how they choose to do that?"
.... just a few days ago a guy was riding full speed an MTB 100% electric... i´m pretty sure it has no cranks.... sooo...
Maybe SOME RULES are needed....
Don’t be a d**k
Pedal assist means you can be generating 15W (just rotating the cranks, no effort) and putting out 350-and that's a motorized vehicle, not a bicycle.
Rules... What are thes rules, you speak of?
Same boat here.....
My only rules are:
Don’t litter...
And, if I wanna ride a spot that’s actually built by someone I ask them for permission to ride it.
For the rest, I dunno but there’s no rules really. Be nice to other trail users. It’s so simple...
We need more rules to keep people out. Gate keeping is good.
Nothing good has come from attracting more people. It’s good for the bike industry but not people who ride bikes.
Yet at the same time of course, these top level racers are indeed mountainbike riders. So that implies that being a mountainbiker doesn't imply being respectful of the trail.
And no, I don't like that part at all.
THAT's it.
There should be more love on the trails, less performance. Just doing something longer/faster doesn't make it better.
100% this.
If we spent as much time advocating and educating people on the sport as we did arguing and trolling about eMTB or Lycra, cycling as a whole would be in a much better place.
A "mountain bike" would have something 26/36/48 up front and 14/17/21/26/30/34 in the back, wide (over 50mm) knobby tires and should be light enough to be easy to carry. Basically a bike for accessing offroad mountain areas. (Side note: I can't remember having seen someone carry an Ebike a long distance up a steep, narrow mountain trail)
He spent some time writing about practical mountain bike gear, stupid industry marketing claims, conflict with land owners, legal entities, proper behavior, etc. even back then
I didn't find any reference to who might belong to a group of people called "mountain bikers" and who not. I think he was focused more on the experience of being in the mountains, not so much on belonging or not belonging to some particular lifestyle.
Fast forward to today and there is discussion about who belongs to what group, where it's legal to ride the Ebike that cost more than your used car, and real pressure to channel all those potential customers into ski areas with flow trails.
I'm fine calling anyone riding on two wheels part of the family. But that's kind of missing the point. We are where we are and there's no going back.
We need to pin this for the next POTY comp. Unbelievable how polarizing that contest gets some rounds.
As for e-whichever-bike-style, I enjoy people spending money how they want, overcoming injury or incapacity. Are there trail management discussions to be had? Sure. But there always was...someone always mentions the horses...
Unlike AMB magazine which dedicated an entire editorial to getting offended by them. Like, isn't it even clear from the most casual inspection that they're a road thing? The mere fact there are 95 of them should give it away.
Although a handful of the rules have a basis in the truth. Like #64. And #93 is road specific but there's something in it for everyone.
Say what?
Mechanical work is the amount of energy transferred by a force. When the force is being generated by an electric motor and the transferred energy derived from a battery then how can riding a regular MTB where you and you alone generate the force and expend energy be no more physically demanding?
I'd buy that Tee. Put it in the PB shop ASAP.
(I’m assuming *probably* the HKT Podcast, but haven’t found an episode with a matching description)
“… most people have to listen to a recording, I can pick up the phone and chat to these people,“
… as saying “most people only listen to podcasts, but I get to make them”
But yours is a false equivalency anyway as normal mountain bikes don't run on petrol and ebikes are just expensive toys which add to the problem without offering anything more than convenience.
An emtb produces nowhere near enough torque to spin the wheel under weight, so no burnouts to tear up a trail. The only way the wheel would spin out is on steep climbs or mud that a non-electric would spin out on or no one should be riding on anyhow.
An emtb is maybe 20-25# heavier than a non electric, but I see plenty of riders on non-electrics who are themselves 20-25# heavier and they don't do any more damage to a trail than I do. If you're argument is that heavier bikes are going to do damage to a trail, I have news about DH bikes from the early 2000s for you
The bike allows access to trails to a lot more riders, which should be a good thing, but you're complaining about inexperienced riders causing problems; but that's going to be the case with new riders on any type of bike. If you're going to complain about new riders you're just a part of the gatekeeper BS that this whole article was about.
If this is an issue of emtb's effecting all mtb-ers access to trails, then it's again just an issue of educating new riders. We have bad actors on analog mtb's as it is, more riders on the trail means that's going to come up no matter the type of bike they're on.
So, I'm not seeing it. Can anyone give a real reason that eMTBs shouldn't be allowed on trails other than "emtb hurt my feelings on strava"?
#1 ride bike on terrain that seems questionable to non-cyclists
#2 don't wreck the trail environment
#3 no jerks allowed
#4 tacos
Don’t spend too much time online…
However Judgment on Equipment, Skill, where you're from happens in a lot of other sports (like Surfing for example). MTB is no exception to this. It's arguably human nature.
E-mtb gets a bad rep for not being 'pure' enough but they are absolutely brilliant for areas where you might have a 1hr non-stop killer fireroad climb to get to the best trails (i.e No cable car access!). Can give you an extra few runs when you might only manage a couple on a regular bike.
Most Mountainous/Hilly areas of Ireland and the UK fit this bill (with the exception of Fort William). The UK/Eire hasn't got the privilage of Gondola's that the Alps have as most mountains simply aren't big enough for ski resorts but still often more than high enough for DH MTB etc
Many places offer 'car-trailer uplifts' as a consequence but the environmental impact of driving big cars up and down hills several times surely must totally eclipse that of someone cycling an electric MTB back up the hill!
E-mtb's could actually help reduce the environmental impact of MTB In general if less people come to rely on fuel powered-uplifts.
We in the UK/Ireland should be encouraging people to use them.
community: welp lets fill the comments with gatekeeping and negativity
Gatekeeping is just the enforcement of social norms established by a community. It can be bullshit (eg, you aren’t a real cyclist if you ride in cotton), or it can be necessary to protect a communal resource from degradation (eg, pack it in, pack it out).
When newcomers join the community they can enrich it (eg, bmxers and other crossover athletes created slopestyle) or harm it (eg, sharing the location of unsanctioned trails on social media)
eBikes are just the newcomers or the moment. They are damaging the relationship with landowners by violating explicit rules against motorized use. The people building new unsanctioned trails in the same zones as established trail orgs are also messing things up for everyone. The difference is, pinkbike doesn’t post articles conflating sanctioned and unsanctioned trail building 3 times a week.
How should we deal with people who know the rules but then choose to ignore them? Most of the people I encounter blatantly ignoring the landowner rules about eBikes are moderately experienced male weekend warriors in their 30’s or 40’s, and the occasional 20-something expert with industry connections.
For my rogue trail building example, I think it’s either teens who don’t understand the process or experts/pros in places without trails at their level. The teens can be corrected by channeling their energy into trail org work days, the experts hopefully know better than to build in areas under scrutiny but the ones who know and don’t care are probably the biggest problem of all.
1- How to be a mountain biker..✓
2- How to buy a mountain bike..✓
3- Rules of mountain biking..
They're damn good..!
I hear and read so often that mtbers are such a friendly amazing group of people - sure some are, but my predominant feeling when coming across other riders is one of feeling not cool enough/fit enough/wearing the right gear etc. As a community we can be judgy, stand offish and be huge gatekeepers, even to other "real" mtbers. Man the amount of times I've gone riding in a running top or a generic t-shirt because my riding tops are dirty and people have given me weird looks and stuff.
Also literally EVERY TIME I ride past any other mtber the first thing they do is check out my bike before acknowledging me.
Oh and the ebike thing? Surely we can drop it now?! That got boring like 4 years ago. If you hate ebikes fine but no-one asked for your opinion so keep it to yourself, it ain't funny or friendly to make passive agressive remarks to emtbers about the fact they're on an emtb
Rule #2 - don’t be a dick
That’s it that’s all
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Or these days, un-common sense.