MicroSHIFT Announce Updates to Advent 9-speed Shifter and Cassette

 I wonder why they didn't show a deraileur

 Do they package groupsets? When I searched on line for their stuff, I only saw the components being sold separately.

 Can you double shift down the cassette like you can with Shimano multi release? If so I'm interested.

 How’s the price vs box, I love my prime 9!

 How would you say it compares to Shimano products like Deore?

 @fartymarty: you don’t need to double shift as much when your cassette doesn’t have a zillion gears and an overkill gear range

 Could I work in shimano or raceface cranks into the groupset?

 @fartymarty: I don't know, but it has a big range with only 9 speeds, so the steps are large and the need to double shift is much less.

 @fartymarty: Might not be that useful since your gear spacing is larger. I love the double release of Shimano but the 9 speed makes up for it. A double click on this set up would be like a triple click on Shimano 12sp.

 @Anchi89: good point. I wish the Advent was easier to get my hands on...

 @fartymarty: with that spread of gears, only 1 shift is enought. I'm using ZTTO 9 speed cassete 11/50.

 Anyone know the best way to order the advent 10 speed groupset in canada?

 @DaFreerider44: Yes, will work with any crank provided the chainline matches the bike and you get a narrow wide ring

 @aceface17: Yes, go to their website and request it directly. A nice lady named Vivian helped me, they are setting up a Canadian distributor but it sounds like the ink isn't dry on those papers. All you will need is to send a few emails and provide payment via PayPal and you're on your way to a new Advent X drivetrain. Hope this helps!

 MTB stuff in general is getting sold out everywhere.

 @Notmeatall: What shifter and derailleur do you have it paired with?

 @Compasteedee: thank you! Will reach out to them

 @Jshemuel: Hell yeah. You just made my day. Now time to search the entire internet for one

 @k-n-i-x-o-n: all Advent X. I have it on my older Hardtail, it was the best way to ditch the 3x without having to get a whole new rear hub assembly. Definitely worth the money.

 @xphysnerd: ....boop..! So stoked on this drivetrain....Soooo long overdue!

 @k-n-i-x-o-n: 11 speed shimano SLX, could be xt or xtr too, and 9 speed sram shifter. Bang on shifting! Also needed the goat link to be able to run the 50 tooth.

 @Notmeatall: How does that work? Does it skip gears? Trying to picture how 11sp indexing works with only 9 cogs and not dumping off the biggest cog when shifting past the first 9.

 @k-n-i-x-o-n: it works flawlessly! The indexing happens on the shifter. The cable pull of the 11 speed shimano and up to 9 speed sram are the same 1:1 ratio, that's what makes the accuracy on the cassete works for the cassete.

 There's an ongoing joke between me and a riding buddy about this. 60T is hilariously what we reckon the maximum is. Any bigger and the derailleur will be approaching the edge of a 29er wheel..

 @SalamandrD: if you keep your drivetrain dry enough there is the possibility of largest cog/brake disc combo omg....

 @SalamandrD: Guess we need 32" wheels soon then lol.

 @SalamandrD: unless they flip and point the derailleur to the sky then the sky is the limit

 I am truly wondering if we are going to get a product release soon that offers 13 or even 14 speed from the big brands. However, I have a feeling it will be going the opposite way and we don't need as many cogs and drop it down to a 9 speed with a wider range. MTB industry, please tell me how I should waste my money next!

 @stumphumper92: ive seen some days ago on alibaba a ztto 13 speed cassette.

 @stumphumper92: FWIW Campagnolo Is about to release a 1x13gravel groupset. There will be a 10-42 cassette but it could be that there’s something wider coming out

 @stumphumper92: LTWOO is already offering 13 speeds!

 @SalamandrD: If I can't get double my chainring size, I'm not even interested. 30x60, 34x68, or the unicorn: 36X72. So fast, yet so slow.

 @macarthur: Now I wonder just how many teeth can we fit within a 29" diameter cassette?

 @noapathy: Isn't a half link (1 tooth) 1/2"? Circumfrence of a 29" wheel is 91", so ~182 teeth. That's a stump-puller of a gear!

 @NukePNW: exactly, just put teeth on the rim. The chainring can connect directly to the rim's teeth. No need for a chain now.

 @hardtailparty: Or make a chain with studs on the outside, like a snowmobile. No need for a rear tire!

 @showmethemountains: I like that idea! maximum efficiency, and no flat tires.

 @donpinpon29: Yeah, Magic Motorcycle near Seattle did that about 30 years ago on a motorcycle — too bad they didn’t do it on a Cannondale after they bought Magic Motorcycle =P
skooks.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Magic-Motorcycle/Cagiva-125

 It was indeed a missed opportunity...I can't wait for a 60T cog so I can ditch my 2x system!

 @macarthur: or your ass.

 People don't consciously "buy" SRAM. They buy the complete bike they want and in some years, these happen to be spec'd with SRAM. So to anwer your question, if there is a new SRAM group in 2022 then it will end up OEM on bikes. People will buy them and moan on Pinkbike.

 Not necessarily makes sense. You have bigger steps. It is like shifting in car using only 1-3-5 gear. It is possible but not comfortably.

But going into this 11+spd is ridiculous... tolerances are getting too tight and problems with miss shifting is too common. It is nearly impossible to set it ideally.

 Unfortunately 37-46 at the end is a no-go for me. Have this in XT 11 speed and it is a nightmare.The jump may be proportional, but is too big for uphill.

 @Kptzbik: I have no experience with the bigger steps (nor with 11 or 12sp drivetrains) but I suppose as long as there are people riding single speed mountainbikes, there must be a place for the middle ground too. This Microshift drivetrain could provide just that.

 *Fewer gears

 @Kptzbik: I had a 3 speed car. It was my favourite car ever.

 @lkubica: agree the XT 11 speed 11-46 doesn't feel good on that last shift - I rode 11-42 cassettes until recent;y and they felt much more natural, even if you did have to monster the steeper stuff.

 @jammf: I ditched my xt as I found the jump at the end caused me to be in the 46 more often than I wanted

On a Sunrace 11-46 now & it's perfect

11-13-15-18-21-24-28-34-40-46

 @jammf: Here's the dark and dirty secret: keep your 11-42 and just get a slightly smaller front ring.

 Ha, SRAM Rooster... I'm a SRAM fanboy, but you got a good one there lol

 @Kimbers: agreed, sunrace had way more reasonable jumps

 @lkubica: by the time I am going up a steep hill, all I really want is low gear. I don't care about the steps to get there when I am sucking wind.

 @Kimbers: I too like the sun race 11-46. The 46 is great for steep fire roads and smooth trail. The 40 is perfect for climbing trails with a little bit of tech that you need to carry your speed through.

 @lkubica: Yup. That’s why I stay with the e13 9-46 11 speed. I’d try the SunRace too but weight still matters to me and the e13 is way lighter.

 @Ryanfitz81: yeah, but your third gear was a 1:1. Same with 4sp. We didn't get overdrives until we went to 5sp. And 6/7 speeds have typically 2 to 3 overdrive ratios.

 @Kimbers: On a ZTTO cassete 9 speed, 42 to 50 is as smooth as it gets.
11-13-16-20-24-30-36-42-50

 @Notmeatall: what derailleur are you using?
I guess you can use 12 speed derailleur with 9 speed shifter and 9 speed cassette.

 @SlodownU: Yes! I thought I was the only one

 @vinay: don't use single speeders as an example, the only point you are making is some people are willing to sacrifice a reliable drivetrain and replace it with pushing your bike everywhere. May as well bring up chainless DH guys too.

That being said, I GET 12 speed, but I hate it, I still have to blast through 3-5 gears when I shift anyway. I'm building up 2 bikes right now, and trying to decide between advent 9, box 9 or shimano deore 12s. I love shimano, but 9 is my sweet spot.

 @Kptzbik: Trek and SRAM will put in the XXD drive and make the axle 203mm long to accommodate a new standard. It's a matter of time SRAM will come out with the 20spd and a 100T cassette with a 1000% gear spread.

 @CSharp: once 32" becomes the norm, there is going to be huge number of new standards. #progress.

 @jaydawg69: And once 36" and 38" rolls out... I don't think that's more progress - just more variety to confuse more people. It's only more progress for companies making more money when their marketing works to suck more money out of people's pockets.

 @Kimbers: awesome! thanks for that - comparison of the XT vs SR CS-MX8:

XT: 11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32-37-46
SR: 11-13-15-18-21-24-28-32-36-40-46

 @SlodownU: also a viable option! Very rarely (if ever?) do I ever spin out on the 11T when riding trails

 @jammf: I have used the XT and sunrace CS-MX8 - no noticeable difference in performance and the Sunrace gearing is much better spaced.

 @iscaryot98: Sram 9s shifter and SLX 11s derailleur.

 Yup. Bought the 9sp (non clutch) Advent to put on my GF's commuter, would happily put on an actual MTB in the future. Shifts great and seems to be bombproof so far.

 Derailleur is updating. Please do not shift the gear next 45 minutes

 It'll update as soon as you get to the trailhead. "Please wait, your derailleur may self-destruct multiple times while updating."

 X2! My configuration is XT 11S Shifter, SLX derailleur, 10S HG54 Chain and 10S SunRace 11-46. Good reliability, less expensive, less maintenance, and the spacing of the gears is enough for enduro. I only use top cogs and lower cogs.

 @PanchoPaloma: This sounds greats. Which SLX mech? GS or SGS?

 @aciddrop: The cogs space are pretty similar between 10s and 11s! Precise Shift! Try It!
GS Cage for me, 800 miles without problem. SGS also works OK

 If you are running 10 speed how do you know 11+12 is junk?

Since you are using a 11 speed derailleur, you are using a 11 speed component, why, you said above 11 spd is junk.

 @PanchoPaloma: zee 10 s shifter, slx 11 derailleur, 10 s chain and 10 s 11-46 cassette. The dream, complete trasmission for less than 100 euro.

 @Luniapuanrider: I also try with a Saint 10S shifter, but with XT 11S shifting is a bit more precise!

 So you are using a 10 speed cassete, 10 speed shifter and 11 speed derailleur? What parts are you using? I'm with a 11s slx, 9s sram shifter and 9 speed ZTTO cassete. I'm interested in upgrading to a 10 speed cassete because I could get a way lighter cassete. Box doesn't send their things here, or the price is prohibitive.

 @Notmeatall: I answered your question above! 11S shifter and derallieur!

 @PanchoPaloma: Sorry I haven't seen. 11 speed shifter and 10 speed cassete? Doesn't a 10 speed shifter from shimano work with a 11 speed derailleur?

 @Notmeatall: 10S works with a 11s derailleur. But shifting is significantly smoother with 11S combo! I tried both!

 That probably just means that if you wanted to, you could go to a smaller chain ring.

 @hpman83 you completely miss the point and benefits of 46 tooth on your set up. if i were you i would just use 10 speed 11-34. 34 have less friction than 46. also you will use smaller chainring. again less friction.

 @gillyske: ...and still have two gears he never uses.

 @a-d-e: exactly! And then he can use a short-cage Zee derailleur and never hit the thing on rocks.

 Weight

 The main reason of less speed is the simplicity of the sistem, less maintenance and less fine tunning! Chain is significant more strong and durable, And If it weight less, great. I hate to adjust my derallieur every 4-5 rides.

 Advent X 10spd drivetrain with their alloy spider cassette but without a chain is going for about $150 from most US shops. So, quite close. I just got mine from a large US bike site that does coupons for $151 with a KMC chain. And you can get it about $20 cheaper still if you have a steel freehub that can handle the heavier, pinned cassette

Between the gear range and features, I think Deore M5100 and Advent X are similar enough to compete well against each other. I hope to see Microshift get a fair chance to compete, and I am really glad to see this competition for good budget components!

 I want an altus 12 speed

 @PanchoPaloma: "Chain is significant more strong and durable" show me one shred of evidence this is true.You sound like a troglodyte.

 @rideonjon: The evidence points in the opposite direction. Bikerumor did a long term outdoor test a while back that found 10 speed Shimano chains lasted hundreds of mile longer than the equivalent 9 speed chain before failing a chain wear gauge. Similarly, Cycling Tips has a recent article where controlled lab testing showed that as Shimano added another gear with each drivetrain generation also increased the durability of the chain. 12 speed Shimano was much more durable than 9 speed

 @rideonjon: cyclingtips.com/2019/12/the-best-bicycle-chain-durability-and-efficiency-tested/#8-9-10-11-12-speed

 @showmethemountains: sorry, in my experience the chain is about 300-400km more durable at the same amount of watts. 150-180 watts I usually rode. And my conclusion was made with 3 chains HG54 and 3 or 4 chains HG601. I haven’t read this article yet, but interesting.

 @PanchoPaloma: SILTEC probably made the big difference in the test. HG54 doesn't have it. XT/Ultegra stuff usually does.

productinfo.shimano.com/#/spec/General/Chain

Chromizing is what's credited for even better wear resistance.

 @showmethemountains: Amazing it's almost like the chains are being developed to be better.I'm on shimano 12 speed and the chain is fine.

 @Varaxis: Great! so, I should try the siltec chain and compare. Thanks

 People are usually buying a shifter/derraileur combo. Cassettes are where mixing and matching happens, I've seen someone already put together a drivetrain with box components and Microshift stuff

 Given the price of MicroShift, not sure its such an issue. The entire group set (9 or 10) costs less than most mid-range cassettes.

 Because it's impossible to find cheap and reliable drivetrains on German web sites, right?

 Bike24 does sell Microshift...
www.bike24.de/marken/microshift

 @mundinger: yeah, delivery time 9-10 weeks

 @mundinger: I really wanted Advent X, but with only one obvious supplier in Europe (Bike24), who rarely had stock, I decided it was safer to stick with Shimano for ease of spares etc. Shame really.

 I had my bikeshop order it directly at www.traffic-distribution.com/marken/microshift
which is the official supplier here, was delivered in 2 days, works flawless on my hardtail, great shifting feel

 I got my 10speed 11-48 last week, but I had to import it from Australia, then pay tax on top of high shipping. it cost as much as a 12 speed XT in the end. It's ok so far, pretty solid but doesn't shift as quick as Shimano - or Sunrace which this replaces, it would have been killer at the msrp but I couldn't get it at that...

 @Germanmike: If in the future they have a Spain based supplier (for 1 - 2 day delivery), I'll have another visit. Advent X looks great.

 @simeon10: what Ozzie e-store was that?

 @pakleni: LMAO

 @GLOB-2018: probably the one run by the Microshift distributor OR MTBdirect.

 @GLOB-2018: You can get it direct from the importers here in Oz - KWT Imports.

The website is a bit average, but it's worth the perseverance. Mine arrived in two days and works really well.

 @mundinger: well look how long it takes. I also don't trust bike 24, never had a good experience with them. Do you actually buy it twice with this delivery time? In case of a smacked one..

@pakleni , I dunno tell me what is cheap and reliable like this one?
I am not careful enough for 12 speed.

@carlitouk yeah because what good is a part of you can't replace it fast or get spares for it.

 Microshift Advent X is 10 speed, 11-48 with nice jumps between the ratios. Been using it for a few months now and not finding it lacking anywhere. Running XT 11 speed before that. My bike came with Eagle GX - the Advent X is less than half the price and about a thousand times better.

 @JiminOz: Nice to hear that. I'm currently running 10speed 11-46 Slx/Sunrace without any issue, so 11-48 would be very similar and not worth the switch imho. However, when the cassette will go south, maybe I will try and get Advent X.

 SunRace FTW!

 We have close to this already with Shimano 12s derailleurs. They work with any Shimano shifter 10-12s and any cassette from the 12s 10-52T to a 10s road 13-25T. The only issue is the cage length is always long. I’d love to see some aftermarket cages that would tighten that up.

 Curious how you like the 7sp. Are there hills where you live?

 @BeKwik: Love the 7 speed. We only have short punchy climbs. Nothing that last more than a minute.

 I'm really glad to see more competition in this specific area, regardless of which is best!

I certainly would have considered new Deore parts, but I needed a complete new drivetrain anyway. So I decided to give Advent X a try. From a reputable US shop I got the Advent X shifter, derailleur and 11-48t cassette for $135 after coupons and before tax. I will be using a KMC X10 chain (which would work well with the Advent 9spd too)

I compared prices for the different options and Advent 9spd is cheaper than Deore M4100 and Advent X 10spd is cheaper than Deore M5100, based on msrp and on prices from legit online stores. The Deore cassettes are a bunch more expensive than the parallel Microshift options. Also, M4100 11-46t drivetrain actually needs the M5120 derailleur, because the M4120 derailleur is limited to 42t and doesn't have a clutch. Sure, you might be able to find better deals on Shimano OEM parts on eBay from overseas that take a month to deliver, but that's not an option for me

I have always really like Shimano's cassettes and shift quality, but I'm not going to assume much about it automatically being better than Microshift until I have had a chance to test this myself soon.

Advent X has two cassette options, and the nicer one has two larger spiders so that only the 4 smallest cogs are loose. Deore M5100 11-51t has a spider but 6 loose cogs, 11-42t has 8 loose cogs. Advent 9pd and Deore M4100 cassettes are both pinned and really won't work well on aluminum freehubs. Those cassettes are fine options for cheaper wheels though

 Shimano Deore 10spd is more expensive. $40/55/95 cassette (11-36 vs 11-42/46 vs 11-52). $65 RD. $30 for a SILTEC chain, which I admit is known to last longer than 8 and 9 spd. I guess this opens the opportunity to splurge on a XTR shifter for that Swiss watch feel, since it's not a wear item.

Back when you could get these from Euro sellers, could find Deore HG500 11-42 for $35, RD for $35-45 (M615 standard vs M6000 wide range), HG-95 chain for $22... I do see some Chinese sellers offering the cassette for $36+10 SH, and a $113 package deal for M4100 1x10 shifter, chain, 11-46 cassette, with M5120 clutch RD.

Good to see prices back down to such affordable levels. Kind of want to blame SRAM for disrupting things so much, getting people open to paying $50 for chains, $300 for cassettes, $120 for a shifter, etc and pricing stuff close to their over-inflated MSRPs. I know bike shops loved it, but cycling enthusiasts who do it for economy + fun are getting drained. Might just be me making stuff up to avoid SRAM's over-priced cheaply mass-produced chinese junk...

 Have a few weeks on the 10spd version with an xtr chain. Feels pretty identical to xt 11spd. The clutch on the derailleur is super strong, backpedaling in the big ring doesnt mess anything up, and the shifter shifts

 Says here its 450g
m.pinkbike.com/news/review-microshifts-125-advent-drivetrain.html

 @clockworked: good spot, hmm so about 20g less than xt 12 spd. What a wasted opportunity. I'd switch in an instant to a light 9 speed system. For the same money I'd expect 100g weight savings over xt 12 spd

 The 10 speed 11-48 cassette is 424gms, so not heavy.

 @JiminOz: interesting that it's lighter than the 9 spd. Suppose that is the happy medium

 Haha, ok, I'll get back to you in a few years when I actually drop a chain. If you want I could keep you posted on my 1x problems. 4 years in, I have no idea what point you are trying to make. There is a reason every is on 1x mountain bikes, you can tell yourself its trend, but it's not. Keep fighting the good fight though, at least you dont have to announce yourself on the trail, we all hear your racketey rear derailleur clanging about.

 Came here with the same question. Anyone have any insight? Microshift vs Box?

 @cinco: there’s a guy that did a 3 part series on youtube comparing 3 low budget drivetrain which was box four, microshift and another one I can’t remember

 @Elgaucher: TRW Active?

 @Ajorda: nope Biking Roots , looked at my youtube history. he tested Box four , adventX and Sunrace M9

 I am running it on my 2019 SC Chameleon HT.(mullet setup with 130mm Fox Rhythm)...and absolutely loving it! I ride in pretty tough and muddy (gritty mud) conditions fairly regularly and this drivetrain is flawless. Replaced the original Shimano XT 11spd which could not handle the mud; and general abuse I put it through. The tough and solid tension of the derailleur is the highlight of the components. So happy with it I now run it on my other HT (GT w/27.5 wheels) as well. Will NEVER go back to the "other" brands.

 Thats the main issue. I would buy it right now for my commute ebike.

 Have you tried it yet?

 @showmethemountains: Yes, I have tried Microshift components on my own bike. Of course, not specifically these components. Like I said decent stuff, but not the quality of SRAM and Shimano, but Microshift stuff is priced according as well. Much more inexpensive.

 @tacklingdummy: Hahaha, the best reply ever.

 Moore & Large are UK distributors, so I'd have thought any local bike shop with an M&L account could order it. Phone or e-mail M&L and ask who your local shop is.
www.moorelarge.co.uk/brands/microshift