Fox Releases 2014 All-Mountain Suspension

Apr 15, 2013 at 21:55
by Mike Kazimer  
With the Sea Otter Classic only a few days away, Fox has issued details about updates to their 34 TALAS, as well as a completely new rear air shock, the Float X. Both products feature increased low speed compression damping in each of the CTD modes, a needed refinement that should give the suspension a firmer platform, making it less likely to blow through its travel prematurely during aggressive riding. The TALAS sees changes to its air spring curve, as well as a hydraulic travel adjuster to make it easier to reduce the travel from 160mm to 130mm.

The new Float X rear shock has an attached reservoir, giving it a greater oil volume. This increased oil volume should make for a shock that is less prone to being affected by the heat generated during a long descent, which in turn makes for less fluctuation in the ride feel of the shock. We spent a brief amount of time on a prototype Float X on Lars Sternberg's Transition Covert, which has a customized Grip Shift that was rigged up to control the compression settings. The production version doesn't have the multiple clicks of compression, but stays with the Climb, Trail, and Descend compression settings with three additional settings for the Trail mode.

Both products appear intended to meet the demands of today's all-mountain rider or enduro racer. Riders are pushing their all-mountain rigs harder than ever, riding them at speeds and in terrain formerly inhabited solely by downhill bikes, and need suspension components designed to handle this level of riding. We'll be taking a closer look at Fox's 2014 offerings at Sea Otter, but the initial details are included below.

Lass Sternberg and Transition Covert

Lars Sternberg with a prototype version of Fox's new Float X on his Transition Covert. (Photo: Transition Bikes)


Press Release:
FOX, the industry-leading ride dynamics company, has announced the release of two 2014 all-mountain products with the 34 TALAS CTD 160 fork and FLOAT X CTD shock. The 34 TALAS features a completely redesigned TALAS travel adjust system and the FLOAT X is a new reservoir air shock platform.

2014 FOX FACTORY 34 TALAS CTD
FOX 2014 Talas CTD

FOX FACTORY 34 TALAS CTD w/ Trail Adjust 160
The 34 TALAS fork has key design changes that translate to smoother travel and improved handling. The updated CTD tune provides more damping support in each mode for better efficiency and control. The TALAS system uses an air spring design similar to FLOAT, giving it superior bump compliance for more comfort and traction on the trail. Mated to the air spring is a hydraulic travel adjuster that provides quick, crisp travel changes between 160mm and 130mm. All 2014 TALAS forks use the new travel adjust system.

• New TALAS travel adjuster
• 160mm/130mm travel range
• 3 on-the-fly settings with Climb/Trail/Descend
• Trail Adjust tuning range (1, 2, 3)
• Rebound
• 15QR thru axle
• 26” and 27.5” wheel options
• 4.33 lbs. / 1,964 g (26”)

2014 FOX FLOAT X
2014 FOX Float X CTD

FOX FACTORY FLOAT X CTD w/ Trail Adjust Rebound
The performance advantages of the FLOAT X’s reservoir design make it ideal for aggressive all-mountain riding. The increased oil volume and dual piston damping system produce an incredibly responsive ride while maintaining a consistent feel through rugged terrain. The base valve on the reservoir gives the Climb, Trail and Descend modes a wide adjustment range to perfectly match trail conditions.

• New reservoir air shock platform
• 3 on-the-fly settings with Climb/Trail/Descend
• Air spring pressure
• Rebound
• Low friction hardware
• Remote option
• 0.8 lbs. / 365 g (8.5 x 2.5, no hardware)

www.ridefox.com


110 Comments

  • 116 8
 Dear Fox, Thanks for making the 2013 stock worth less. Sincerely, Bike Shops p.s. It's really early to release new stuff, seeing how it's April.
  • 8 61
flag Liam1McKernan (Apr 15, 2013 at 22:13) (Below Threshold)
 i don't quite get what you mean?
  • 225 1
 Shops buy up stock that is available, which is the 2013 products. So now fox announces the 2014 line early, now the consumer goes - "hey why buy 2013 products when the 2014 looks better". Now the bike shop, "well now i got to blow them out at clearance prices just so I can pay my fox supplier. So much for that profit this year. Oh hunney we are back to eating spam and beans."

This in turn leads to an epidemic of scurvy as bike shop employers and employees cant afford fresh citrus...and lo and behold the beginning of the zombie apocolypse.
  • 10 1
 this is why most bike shops have now stopped ordering shocks at the beginning of the year and wait till april when fox always releases new goodies then order then. taking the risk that they might not have the forks wanted in stock.
  • 3 1
 Hustler's letter to Fox would've been much more sternly worded...
  • 4 1
 Hustler would have been less passive aggressive too!
  • 9 1
 Sea Otter is this weekend and that's when most companies actually release next years stuff or at least give a sneak peak, so this is nothing out of the ordinary considering it's only two products. But yeah, if I was thinking of upgrading my rear air shock I would probably wait till next year after seeing that thing.
  • 7 5
 Excited on Talas as well. Since 2005 or so tjey managed to turn unbelievably unreliable crap to unreliable crap in 2009, then just unreliable in 2011, hopefully this time it will be a bit unreliable. We haven't talked of servicability yet...
  • 8 0
 2014 products, in time when 2013 models are often hard to find... Give us a brake marketing, pls.
  • 2 0
 They've also just said that they've sorted the problems with this year's forks and shocks which would put me off buying one now. It must make people think "I'll wait and get one that works".
  • 1 0
 Fox has to respond to RS too. If my options include the new RS or last year's fox... Of course personal taste comes into it, but they are fighting for the undecided riders.
  • 5 1
 Protour is right. All of the mountain sport industry works on the same kind of schedule. Products are introduced to INDUSTRY 9-12 months ahead of the next selling season to allow time for booking orders, which determine the number of units a company like Fox will manufacture. The issue is media management. mrbrett's also right - consumers should not be seeing releases like this. But media, pinkbike included, needs to deliver viewers, subscribers, readers, etc. fresh content and information's getting out there faster than ever.
  • 1 4
 @dv8416

Maybe you should make money off other supplies then? Suspension shouldn't be your only bread and butter.
  • 9 0
 I think I'm going to just not have a bike for this year, just so I can get the better stuff next year. Unless they release new stuff next year too, in which case I guess I'll be bikeless for at least two years...
  • 4 1
 Let's not forget that component manufacturers have bad time being "nice" to small shops which order few forks a year while bike makers order thousands of units each, and big online shops order lots as well. Sorry LBS, in "modern" world you are sadly reduced to being showrooms for those few remaining people who actualy care to see what they are about to buy. I guess that is one of main reasons why Specialized has invested in their concept-stores idea. They understand the value of LBS.
  • 1 0
 I wait for reviews and sales anyways, when it comes to upgrades. If I were to buy latest model year stuff, it'd be already attached to a complete bike when I pay for it.
  • 39 1
 kinda done with this ctd stuff. give me rebound, high and low speed compression. I hope they have a more adjustable air offering similar to the 5.0. But I would like to see a new version of the 5.0 to compete with the CCDB air.
  • 5 3
 Well... have you riden it ? Funny enuf I tryed it on my buddies carbon covert and it was hands down one on the best products fox has ever released!! Dont stop with the inivation !
  • 17 2
 I love fox but i had a 34 factory ctd 160 and it felt good but the tuneablility is terrible and i wouldn't buy a ctd. There are a bunch of fox bandwagoners who are gonna neg prop me, but the truth is, it looks like im getting a pike. Sorry fox but fix it or im not buying a fork from you. the shocks are amazing though so ill stay ctd in the back but 2014 pike up front.
  • 7 1
 I need adjustments!!!! CTD basically gives me two setting for compression adjust because lockout is pointless for me. Like @meafroninja said, rebound, high and low speed compression are the adjustments we need. This CTD stuff should be reserved for the fireroaders
  • 7 0
 @will-castaneda: erm, isn't the Pike's three position, bladder equipped charger damper pretty much exactly the same as Fox's three position, bladder equipped FIT cartridge?
  • 3 1
 My bike has the CTD equipped front and back shocks and it makes a huge difference being able to make one flick and it adjusts it all for me. I basically leave it in descend mode for 90% of trail riding just incase there is a jump I find while riding and can't reach down to touch it. But having the trail mode for extended climbs and the climb mode for fire roads makes a big difference and i'm stoked on it! I'm kinda dissappointed that now there are 3 tuneable settings for the trail mode. IMO that is a bit too technical, but hey. I don't have to buy it.
  • 7 3
 Are people so stupid to realise that this CTD bullshit is actually worse than having normal adjusters ?

CTD is incredibly limiting in terms of setup , its just a compression knob with only 3 settings rather than 12 (example , dunno how many clicks fox used to run )
  • 1 0
 The rs monarch plus works the same way. I think depending on the volume/size can and reservoir you have the ability to still get enough compression characteristics you want. Three settings keeps it simpler for real enduro racing doesn't it?
  • 3 0
 Well ya all those high paid r and d guys and a massive multi million dollar company and I'm gonna rely on a bunch of dudes who don't even own a ctd for a review. My fork works great no issues no complaints. Stop your crying!!!
  • 4 2
 Not crying just wonder why people want forks that they can't setup properly , why not just have normal adjusters , maybe a few less clicks than usual but the CTD part of it its a firmer/louder click , example : CLICK click click click CLICK click click click CLICK.

Just seems strange to be that a top end fork would be so limited
  • 3 2
 My ctd shock and fork don't make a sound at all? And I have them both dialled in perfectly the system is designed to have different settings instantly ready for a split decision movement at any time. And it works awesome!! I lock out on hills and pavement and flat terrain in a instant and climb like never before. If rolling smooth trails and jumps I put it in trail 3. If ridding a rough trail I put it in trail 1. The desend is designed for gnarly super fast roots and rocks and works awesome. Once u own the ctd and dial it in its great! And fox tunes them all to the exact bike you are riding!!! You have to b crazy not to enjoy this ride.
Everyone is just to scared of new technology! Things change for the better that's the way it goes.
Remember back in the day when u had to go through all the tv channels to get to the one u wanted. The same 6 channels u always watch? Well now you can flip directly to them with your remote!! Do u wish for the old way back??
CTD does not limit your settings!! It makes it so your settings you like in different terrain are dialled in and ready at a quick instant switch! Brilliant!!
  • 2 0
 I am a set and forget kind of guy. I prefer to fine tune it perfectly once. I ditched the rp23 for a dhx air wanting more adjustment. I was disappointed unfortunately. I'd rather have more control over the progessivity curve. Ctd doesn't even advertise doing anything I want. Instead I'm cutting my own shims to adjust air volume.
  • 3 0
 "Remember back in the day when u had to go through all the tv channels to get to the one u wanted. The same 6 channels u always watch? Well now you can flip directly to them with your remote!!"

what if the 6 channels permanently set on your remote aren't the ones you watch?

CTD shocks would be great if they had tuneability in each setting. The three settings in the Trail mode are a start, but I'd rather have infinite adjust like older shocks. Its a good shock but not great.
  • 2 0
 However when your ripping down a trail at top speed or a hill is approaching how valuable are the settings you currently have?
You are settling for 1 over all setting and complaining that you are being offered 5 more instant options! That drastically make your overall ride better! You can't say u have infinite adjust if you don't use it ( on the fly) while rideing. Same reason I added a dropper so I don't have to get off the bike to make adjustments. My rides and flow are soo much better after 20 rides its hard to believe.
Once I got everything dialled and got used to it now its a delight!
  • 1 0
 Fair point jeff444
  • 1 0
 I am not opposed to adjustment on the fly. It's just not for me. I get it to pedal well enough and descent beautifully. Also, my pro pedal stops working after a year. If I'm dependant on it I'll be sad.
  • 28 0
 Excited to hear the improvements to the Talas. Can't wait for a review of the Float X.
  • 4 1
 Oh fu@k, that looks sweet, ill have to sell my month old fox ctd shock and get this one as soon as.
  • 4 0
 I thought the first release CTD forks blew it in Descend mode. You could almost reach full travel from brake dive. Nice to hear it seems they are addressing that issue too.
  • 1 1
 Also wondering if the 36 Talas will get the upgrade as well?
  • 3 0
 Shrokie, nice yes, that they are addressing the issue, but what about the people with the older shitty ones. On my first ride I nearly went over the bars about 45 bagillion times just riding on concrete. I had to take a brand new set of forks to Mojo to add oil to the talas side just for them to be ride-able, where was the R and D, didnt they encounter this problem in testing. Its plain ridiculous and I think they should be giving up dated internals out to every one so that they can also resolve the problem. I paid over £800 for the forks and I think theyre shite.
  • 2 0
 fork is manufactured for about 50£ each i guess , but probably even less.
  • 2 0
 zer0, I hear a lot of people just run them in Climb and Trail mode.. the descend is just too wide open. I actually like just running my CTD shock in Trail mode 100% of the time. The light low speed dampening of the trail mode is pretty good, without being too harsh for DH.
  • 1 0
 Yeah man thanks, thats what I do, out of sheer attrition:o. Since I had the oil put in the talas leg its much better, but I mean, this shouldnt have to be done should it, they should be right straight from the factory.
  • 1 0
 @zer0c00144 - I recently purchased a new Talas and after about 20hrs of riding it got really stiff. I took it to my shop and they said that by the time Fox forks are delivered to a bike shop they have been sitting in a warehouse for almost a year and then however long it takes the shop to sell them. I guess by that time the oil has dried up. They did a seal/oil service and the shock performs amazing. About CTD, yes I also went over the bars, way too open of a setting.
  • 1 0
 Yeah man, similar to what I was told. And thats what Mojo did to mine, seal/oil service and added more oil to the talas leg. On my previous forks you could see the oil on the stanchions in use and after, but with these new ones they seamed incredibly dry. On my last outing they performed well, so much so that I forgot all about them and didnt give them a second thought. So looks like its sorted, but IMO should not happen, especially the prices Fox charge.
  • 2 0
 I don't get the point of the CTD shock. Seems too tricky for its own good. It really needs to be used with a remote that is huge and ugly, adding another 2 controls on the bars. Without the remote you need to obvously reach down to adjust which is a pain and dangerous, particularly between trail and descend modes where your not slowing down and going into the gnar. I much prefer the simplicity of pro pedal. I only use pro pedal for extended climbs otherwise its fully open and all good for undulating trail and descending. The fox talas 36s on my new bike were quite dry. Full service needed and now they are sweet.
  • 20 0
 The float x is clearly tryin to get in on the monarch plus rc3. Would like to see a comparison of the two.
  • 1 3
 i suppose fox probably had the idea for some time now, even before the monarch plus rc3 was released
  • 3 0
 I doubt it, otherwise it would have been released first.
  • 7 0
 It'd be awesome to see the float x on next year's stumpy evos with autosag!
  • 7 1
 Stupid specialized making stupid proprietary shock mounts. I want that float x on my stumpy evo NOW!
  • 1 0
 correct me if im wrong but when i was working as a mechanic all you had to do what take the one link off the shock and put a new shock in they all fit. unless something changed that i dont know about
  • 2 0
 The stumpy's have a standard eyelit at the top of the shock but on the shaft side its a bolt on, so these nice new shocks will not retrofit
  • 3 0
 You would probably be better off with your original stock anyways since its desiged and valved for that specific frame.
  • 1 0
 Currently have a float CTD kashima from the 2013 on order. That will have to do
  • 2 0
 I'd love the same fork and shock with only the pro-pedal of the past. I like the full travel mode with a switch and the lower tech. I also just use mt AM for exploration rather than competition so I can see why a racer would like these new upgrades. Love to try it though!!!!
  • 6 2
 Cool stuff, but the Float X needs more adjustment to compete with the CCDB.
  • 7 6
 But thats not what its designed to compete against. its an "all mountain shock"
  • 6 1
 Yeah, sometimes more adjustment mean more trouble with your shock. Keep it as much simple as it is possible!
  • 5 0
 CCDB is run on tons of Am bikes. Like the latest Rune review.
  • 2 0
 @wolf, Fox needs to have one simplified damper but needs a tuneable one.
  • 1 0
 Def not made to compete with the CCDB
  • 2 1
 They should have though. If I wanted a new shock for my slash I'd get the CCDB over this easy.
  • 1 0
 Are they not just trying to keep it simple to help the majority of riders who don't understand High/Low speed compression and rebound. I'm no expert but could probably muddle through and set my fork/shock up well with time and patience. But probably the majority of people only get to ride a weekends and just want to get on and go ride rather than spend their first 3-4 weekends fiddling with all their settings.
I personally believe that a shock that's simple and simple to set up right (without hundreds of settings) is going to perform better than a CCDB set up badly. Remember most riders are weekend warriors (I know I am nowadays) and don't have time to trawl the web looking for setup advice and repeat runs gradually tweaking their fork/shock.
  • 7 2
 Why has this fork not got a 20mm axel option ? Frown
  • 4 1
 hey, do I have to already get some x-mas gifts or what?

I will wait for 2015 line, I expect we will see it late summer this year
  • 1 0
 Two things for the gearwhores:

The new shock will not fit and clear your old xc/enduro frame. Now you have an "old" bike.

Next years frames will look like a light dh-bike with cartwheels. Which will make your old bike "doubleold".

All the while dh-riders ride the real thing...fat, dependable and well working frames, with springs allaround and a twistfree doublecrown, sitting on strong 26 - and who would have thought - light wheels.
  • 1 0
 Adjustable profressivity especially the Fork, shock can be done currently with a spacer kit, ctd forks negative spring cant be altered, needs similar option like the 14 Air 40, plus agree user serciceability like RS, new Monarch and Pike looking to replace my 13 ctd front and rear, or even XFusion, sorta over Fox so much hassle to change factory average tune at best on high end models, Fox choose soft linear tunes for lower models shocks forks, should not be on high end expensive models, beginners shouldnt be on these models anyway, over paying big money on average performing suspension products and paying an arm and a leg to ship it stateside to get an Avy cartrridge or Push to tune these properly. Meh Talas! Float X does look interesting but I"ll give the edge of deadliest warrior to 14 Monarch Plus and Pike!
  • 1 0
 The shock looks like a bit of a step backwards isn't it?
How about making a lightweight coil shock with CTD?

Air shocks are pretty good these days, but try one back to back with a coil on the same bike and there's still an abyss between them
  • 1 0
 Yes please... This is the shock I've been waiting for...

Don't care about the CTD (although having a non-locked out, "in between" threshold setting is nice for a trail bikes to keep it plush coming down but easy to pedal up), but it'll be nice to not cook the shock as badly on some of our epic (as in multi-mile!!!) descents here in the NW. I've had to write off the regular Float because of this. I've run fox suspensions on my Trucks (although I now prefer Old Man Emu), my MX's/Quads and I've always liked what I've felt from the MTB stuff. Now let's hope it's better then the DHX-Air Wink
  • 1 0
 I can set up suspension properly, it takes a few weeks but I get it there. This CTD is pretty lame. I don't need quick adjustability. I'm not riding up fire roads fast, or anywhere uphill fast for that matter. Just got a new Enduro and setting this up right will take a lot more time. I'm light weight and there is WAY too much rebound in both units.
  • 5 1
 Lars has a super sexy bike
  • 3 0
 That stuff looks absolutely amazing except once I hear the price, it is probably going to depress me . . .
  • 2 0
 "The TALAS system uses an air spring design similar to FLOAT, giving it superior bump compliance for more comfort and traction on the trail."

Now they're lying!
  • 4 0
 In my experience the Floats tended to perform way better than the TALAS forks, but I'd much rather just have Vanilla forks anyday
  • 2 0
 I want adjustable progressivity. Someone give me that in an air shock. Then I can bu's curvey a shock factory tuned to one frame and put it on another.
  • 1 0
 BOS VOID, CCDBair both can have their progressivity tuned. The RP23 can also with after market spacers.
  • 1 0
 True enough. Too bad the only one of those that is common is the rp23 and you have to use spaces instead of just putting a knob on it.
  • 1 0
 Hehe, a bit more to it than just sticking a knob on it Smile
Volume spafers are very easy to insert though, and I sincerely doubt anyone will want to adjust progressivity mid-ride.
  • 1 0
 I would use it in place of propedal. You'd get good small bump still, but it would ramp up too much for deep bobbing, and be able to hop and pop more. Then open it up to get linear travel on the descent, with the ramping up adjusted to right where your frame needs it.
  • 1 1
 Fox caters to the less tech savvy and/or less initiated. That's the broad majority of the market. How it bounces on the showroom floor and how easy it is to "use" are more important on how well it behaves on trail, how long it lasts or how tunable it is. That's the reality and Fox has no qualms about it.

It clearly works for them.
  • 4 1
 That's kashima just looks SEXY AF!
  • 4 1
 Until it says "User Serviceable" for the shock, I'm still with you RS.
  • 3 0
 Lars is running some really f'ing thin pedals.
  • 4 0
 They let him on a plane with guns like that?
  • 2 0
 For sale: Fox float CTD. nothings wrong with it, i'm just ready to upgrade.
  • 1 0
 We're just awaiting for the new black Talas for our FOES line up...Got a few 650B's just sitting around awaiting the plush 160 travel.....but we need black!
  • 1 0
 Liking the new float still havnt tryed the cdt yet. So does the reservoir act like a boost valve?
  • 3 1
 And it still doesn't look as formidable as a Rocco Air!
  • 2 0
 Too many ACRONYMS and BUZZWORDS though.
  • 1 1
 The climb trail descend settings should be linkable to seatpost position! There should also be a choice of more or less damping for those three settings.
  • 1 0
 So Fox will actually have two new forks next year. This Talas 34 and the 40 air.
  • 2 0
 Well damn, looks like my 2013 34 Talas is obsolete.
  • 1 0
 Yeah mine too, the one I got last week.
  • 1 0
 Crap made better is still crap. Wheres my 650b talas RS or 650b vanilla 160 RS
  • 1 0
 RC even
  • 1 0
 i just got the float x ctd for my enduro ive been going pretty hard on it this thing rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 4 2
 What's an all mounain?
  • 3 2
 FUCK ME were spoiled for choice with new suspension this coming year
  • 1 0
 When are they going to realize 3 compression settings are not enough!!
  • 1 0
 Will the Float X work on a Trek?
  • 1 0
 Interesting- looks like Lars is running a 36/180mm fork on his Covert.
  • 3 3
 Who gives a darn, oh wait people who make 6 figures Salute
  • 1 0
 Foxy!
  • 1 2
 CTD can suck the popes balls. its stupid and quite honestly a poor way for stupid idiots to tune suspension....
  • 1 0
 damn you fox
  • 2 5
 Will they have that patented horrible squeak that I have come to expect from every Fox product I have ever owned?
  • 1 0
 Really?
  • 2 1
 Yerp. Every one. Cant get rid of the damn horrible sound. Sat on a friends new Foes the other day and his 40s did the same thing. Kinda off putting. Its not so much a squeak as a suck.
  • 1 0
 the squeak could be the stanchions to the crown. the suck is just not bled properly in the cartridges

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