Imagine you're in the middle of an XC race, maintaining a grueling pace at the head of the pack, when you arrive at a technical downhill section. Typically, you'd push the remote lever for your dropper post, weight the saddle to lower it, and then stand up again to make it through that tricky bit of trail. Not this time. Instead, once you reach a predetermined GPS coordinate, the post lowers by itself, and you're able to continue on without even thinking about pushing any levers. It's not as far-fetched as it seem, epecially since that's just one of the many scenarios laid out in a recent
patent granted to Fox earlier this month.
The patent has the innocuous title of 'Seat post', but a closer examination reveals some fascinating possibilities. The most compelling details describe a post with an electronic motor at the base that allows it to raise and lower on command. This isn't the first time we've seen a patent for a seat post that can lower on its own – Shimano has supposedly had a motorized one in the works since all the way back in 2009, and Trek was granted a patent for an auto-dropping dropper back in 2016. And don't forget
BMC's Autodrop post that emerged in 2019, one of the first real-world examples that the concept could work.
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A Heart Rate Controlled DropperFox's patent takes things a step further, presenting a wide range of options, including one that would have the post raise and lower based on a rider's heart rate.
According to the patent, “In one embodiment, the seat post is actuated by a controller designed for receiving and analyzing input associated with a cyclist's heart rate as well as the cyclist's GPS coordinates. For example, if the controller receives input that describes the cyclist's heart rate as being lower than a given preprogrammed threshold while riding, then the controller may signal to the seat post to move up or down, causing the cyclist's work rate and heart rate to increase or decrease.
In another example, if the controller receives input that describes the cyclist's GPS coordinates as being such that the cyclist is just about to arrive at terrain having a steep descent, the controller may cause the seat post to lower in preparation for the descent.”
Those may not seem like the most practical applications, although I could envision them being tested out in the cross-country or even enduro racing worlds. If a rider was able to pre-ride a track and program in the sections where they wanted their dropper to raise or lower, potentially while their suspension settings changed at the same time, that would allow them to focus even more on riding and less on fiddling with lever. The patent does mention the ability to combined the dropper post height with suspension adjustment, and shifting adjustment is mentioned as well, raising the idea of a nearly fully automated bike, one that requires minimal input from the rider other than pedaling effort.
In another section, the patent has an extensive list of the various components that could possibly communicate with the post, including a wireless device, power meter, heart rate monitor, voice activation device, GPS device, graphical user interface, button, dial, smartphone, and lever. The idea of someone shouting furiously at their dropper post deep in the woods cracks me up, but it's clear Fox wanted to cast a large net with this patent in order to cover as many configurations as possible.
How does it work?The patent lays out a few different possibilities as to how the post will function, but the overall concept is that a small motor at the base of the post receives instructions, either wirelessly or via a cable, and then raises or lowers the post accordingly. The motor is connected to a cam which then opens or closes check valves that allow the post to raise or lower. A
PID controller is used to monitor the motor's speed. When the post nears the desired height, the motor slows down, allowing the post to arrive smoothly, rather than with a jarring finish.
When will this futuristic dropper post be available?I've contacted Fox to see if they'll divulge any more information, but if I had to guess the answer will be, “Not any time soon.” Remember, we still haven't seen any finished products hit the market from Trek or Shimano, and they patented droppers intended to accomplish a similar goal years ago. Fox's GPS, heart rate, and suspension integration features are all clever, although I sort of hope they're not the future. Maybe it's the Luddite in me, but I'm confident I can figure out when to lower my seat post and adjust my suspension on my own, thank you very much.
I'm much more intrigued by the concept of a post that lowers by itself when I push a button than anything else. Make it strong, as low-maintenance as possible, and then sign me up.
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I have a hard time seeing how they could ever rely on GPS location in the woods for something as sensitive to being off by a foot or so as dropping (or extending) seat post...
Now maybe if it connected right to your brain??..
I can't forsee any possible problems!
Highest heart rate is usually on the downs. Or is at least similar on the ups and downs.
I’d personally be super worried about having my seat post operated by something I can’t exactly directly control.
I.e. imagine scaring yourself silly with a near miss on an already intense downhill, and then having your heart rate spike and make the last bit even more scary when a post appears from “nowhere”.
Same thing with gps accuracy. Aren’t most consumer gps devices accurate to like 21ft? That seems small when you’re driving a car on a highway and getting directions. But 21ft can be a huge margin for error on a trail (especially if the ups and downs are short and punchy).
Interesting idea. Just… not sure I’m on board with it yet.
I would prefer my seat post to be under the control of my brain, without without a lever. If Fox could do that - let your thoughts control the post - that might be decent. Heart rate? Leave me out.
Now, I’m a very strong climber, but my highest wattages come from trying to smash downhill sections. I’d have to imagine that heart treasures is correlative.
That said, if we’re going this deep into electronic geekery, a simple inclinometer would prevent unwanted rises.
That having been said, I'd love to see fork/shock damping adjust automatically based on GPS location. (and crowdsourced from a huge DB of settings based on rider weight, riding style, weather, and terrain. Preload the settings map at home or the trailhead to bypass issues with no mobile data connectivity. Fail to a default setting if GPS coords don't resolve.)
except for the 7 dudes who hack this by strapping a Raspberry Pi to their top tube
A pet project of mine recently, just this weekend I did a side by side of two mobile devices running Strava and among many interesting findings observed over a full minute difference on a 2 min segment. Still combing through the tech behind the devices and examining causation, but needless to say there are a ton of factors that can severely hinder gps accuracy (even with good hardware)
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Marketing department: not a chance we moving onto heart rate data controlled droppers mothaf*ckkaaaaaas.
marketing video: "just squeeze your glutes on the saddle's flexible center fin, and adjust the drop height as you ride"
Specialized beat you to that idea with their Command Post.
How can this possible be? After all PB only copies wheellbase patent articles.
You can move your bike completely with body power, and also shift and the engage dropper-post mechanically, but industry wants to install little motors and batteries everywhere!
It's bad enough to find dog owners yelling at their dogs in the woods, but soon mountain bikers will be yelling at their Fox Post(with voice activated detection module)!
1. How will this help me on my ebike as by heart rate is always the same?
2. Now skynet will be able to take over our bikes completely when the time comes, will this be enough for them to send back Arnold again to sabotage the engineering and production before it leads to the PB AI comment bot ruling the globe?
I don't care if this idea ever makes it to market, there's no way in hell it will be more reliable or accurate than my brain and hand. I am constantly stunned that people will buy anything that alleviates them of making their own decisions even if the product is far less accurate & capable than their own brain. There is truly a fool born every minute and you know what they say about a fool & their money...
There are plenty of high performance cars that come with these types of set ups and you can tune shift points. So if you're someone that can not or choses not to drive a manual transmission you can still drive these cars on the track and/or very aggressively with pure automatic transmissions. I've seen it with my own eyes at the track plenty of times. Not everyone drives a stick.
And beyond that, I've seen a few people driving cars in automatic but manually downshifting on the track.
And we're talking about track usage here. Who says that's the intended market? Who's buying most of the automatic cars? Maybe the thinking is that some folks would rather just let someone else do the thinking for them. I mean some folks want to let their cars drive for them... me... hell no. I enjoy driving. I enjoy shifting gears. So like I said... not necessarily.
Their droppper will never wok?
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