Banshee Darkside - Review

Sep 16, 2014 at 16:45
by Mike Kazimer  

Bike parks are notoriously tough on frames and components, and wasted wheels, toasted tires, along with all manner of creaks and squeaks can develop after only a few days of lift served riding. Banshee constructed their new Darkside with exactly that type of riding in mind, keeping an eye towards durability in order to create a frame that's meant to be able to handle multiple seasons of park usage without being reduced to a worthless pile of rubber and metal. The 180mm bike can accept either 26” or 27.5” wheels by swapping out the dropouts, and can also run a shorter stroke shock to reduce the travel down to 164mm. Our bright orange test frame has seen all manner of downhill usage, from long days in the Whistler Bike Park to shuttle laps in Squamish and at a few under-the-radar shuttle spots in the Pacific Northwest, giving us plenty of time to get acquainted with the bike's handling. The Darkside can be purchased as tested for $4499 USD in North America, or worldwide as a frame only with a Cane Creek DBAir CS for $2550. Available in sizes S, M, and L, our size medium test bike weighed 38.7 lb without pedals.

Darkside Details

• Intended use: DH / park
• Wheel size: 26" or 27.5"
• Rear wheel travel: 180mm
• Aluminum frame
• Sizes: S, M, L
• Weight: 38.7 lb (w/out pedals)
• MSRP: $4499 (complete)

Banshee Darkside review. Robin O Neill photo.
  Integrated fork bumpers, a tapered head tube, and very clean welds are a few of the Darkside's frame highlights.

Frame Details

The fluorescent orange paint job on our test bike made it difficult to keep a low profile in the Whistler Bike Park, attracting the attention of other curious riders eager to get a closer look at the stout looking frame. Constructed from hydroformed 7005 aluminum, the Darkside features a tapered head tube, a threaded 83mm bottom bracket, and integrated bump stops made by ODI help prevent dual crown fork stanchions from bashing into the down tube. Interchangeable dropouts allow the bike's geometry to be changed, and can also be used to run 27.5” wheels. We set the Darkside up in the low and slack position with 26” wheels, giving it a 63.5 degree head angle and a 425mm chain stay length.

Banshee Darkside review. Robin O Neill photo.
  Banshee's KS Link is a dual link design that allows the rear shock to be mounted directly to the swingarm.

Suspension Design

The Darkside uses Banshee's KS-Link suspension design, where two short links attach the rear swingarm to the front triangle, with the rear shock mounted directly to the rear swingarm. The main pivot rotates on two large cartridge bearings housed on each side of the frame, and the lower link is sandwiched in the box-like opening just above the bottom bracket. This suspension layout is intended to have a neutral feel, with a very slightly rearward axle path and a progressive suspension curve to prevent harsh bottoming out. Banshee focused on creating a stiff frame in order to reduce the amount of side loading on the shock bushing, keeping everything tracking as straight and true as possible, and to reduce the likelihood of premature bushing wear that can occur from repeated side loading.

bigquotes The Darkside has a bombproof feeling that makes it possible to dive into the nastiest trails without a second thought about the possible repercussions of your decision.

The Darkside lives up to its billing as a do-it-all bike park dominator – this is a bike that you can slam into berms as hard as you'd like, charge through rock gardens, and launch off whatever drop or jump gets in the way without worry. It has a bombproof feeling that makes it possible to dive into the nastiest trails without a second thought about the possible repercussions of your decision. Want to attempt that extra-steep rock move with the less-than-perfect runout? The one that you've been having dreams/nightmares about for the past few weeks? Go right ahead – and if for some reason you end up cartwheeling through the bushes, more than likely the Darkside will end up unscathed, ready for another go, even if you aren't. This is one of those bikes where you don't feel guilty teeing up big moves that would strike fear in the heart of paper thin, plastic all-mountain bikes, and it conveys the sensation that it would take something along the lines of a nuclear blast to rattle it. The frame's stiffness deserves a good chunk of the credit for this feeling - borrowing a page from the Legend, Banshee's DH race bike, the Darkside's frame is as flex-free as they come.

Banshee Darkside review. Robin O Neill photo.
  Feel like doing some freehucking? The Darkside might be just the tool for the job.

Compared to a full-blown DH race bike, the Darkside doesn't quite have the bottomless, bump gobbling feel that makes monster trucking through rocks and roots the best course of action in many situations, but at the same time, its stiffness and short rear end allows it to easily wriggle it through those same sections of trail. That's not to say it can't plow through the rough stuff, but just that it has a touch less room for error. Still, with 180mm of travel there's not much that will slow the Darkside down, and even on portions of trail where I certainly used up every millimeter of travel there were no harsh bottom outs. The term mini-DH bike sometimes seems a little cliché, and Banshee themselves prefer to categorize the Darkside as a 'park bike', but it's an accurate description of the Darkside's manners. It has a solid feel that keeps it composed at high speeds, along with a long enough front center to keep it from getting twitchy, but also possesses the ability to get airborne with greater ease than a longer travel, more race specific steed would. It didn't feel quite as fast as those dedicated DH sleds, but it's still acceptably quick, and its airtime prowess helps make up for the slight speed decrease in the really rough stuff. The build our Darkside came equipped with had it hovering a touch under 40 pounds (including pedals), which isn't unreasonable, especially considering the fairly standard parts package, but it does make it a little slower to accelerate from a standstill or after stalling out, and it means that a more heavy handed approach is needed to get it sideways in the air.

After a hard couple of weeks in the bike park our test rig began emanating a few creaks and groans, but greasing the pivots fixed that without too much trouble. The dropout bolts also backed off slightly during that time, just enough to serve as a reminder that they should be checked occasionally to make sure they're secure. If you don't plan on swapping them out very often (and realistically, most riders won't be changing their dropouts very often), applying a few drops of Loctite would be a recommended course of action to prevent them from coming loose.

We did run into a few issues with the suspension setup the bike came with. The first arose from the 888 CR, when the rebound damping decided to stop working after only a few days of riding. We didn't run into any further issues once we swapped it out with a replacement 888 RC3 EVO V.2 that arrived from Marzocchi, but it was frustrating to run into issues so quickly. The Moto C2R rear shock was a little better behaved, but it did have an odd top out at the very end of its stroke, rebounding smoothly from an impact until the very last bit of travel, where it had an undamped feeling that was most noticeable on jump filled trails, where the 'clunk' of the shock extending to full travel could occasionally be felt when in the air. I was able to spend time on the Darkside with both an air shock (a Cane Creek DBAir) and a coil shock, and if forced to choose I'd go with the air shock. The DBAir gave the bike a more lively, peppier feel that felt well matched to the jumps and drops in found in the bike park, with a good ramp up in the end that worked well to keep the bike from going through its travel too quickly.

Component Check

Banshee Darkside review. Robin O Neill photo.
  Our review bike was built up with a fairly budget conscious parts kit, but aside from a few quibbles with the suspension, the rest of the components held up well.

• Kore Torsion SL wheelset: The Torsion SL wheelset might not be the lightest or quickest engaging option out there, but they held up to weeks of bike park thrashing with only a small dent in the rear rim to show for it. Plus, they stayed true, and there were no freehub or bearing problems, all traits that make them a option for DH riders looking for a durable wheelset at a fair price.

• Code Brakes: Avid brakes have taken a fair bit of flak over the last few seasons due to their needing frequent bleeding, but I've had good luck with the several sets of Code brakes I've been on during that time. The Code R brakes on the Darkside didn't ever fade or need maintenance, even after going through a set of brake pads during the course of the test period.

Pinkbike's take:
bigquotesRiders whose focus is more on fun than on counting grams will find there's a lot to like about the Darkside. With a stiff frame that's capable of tackling anything that's thrown at it, from steep lines to big jumps, it won't be the bike that's holding you back from getting as rowdy as you'd like. Savvy shoppers shouldn't find it difficult to put together a well rounded park bike for somewhere around the $4500 range, either by purchasing the complete bike offered by Banshee, or by building one up from a frame. That's not chump change, but it's still quite reasonable when you factor in how many hours of enjoyment the Darkside can provide - Mike Kazimer


  • 73 3
 I just built one of these up now all I need now is a darth vader lid and i'll be sweet
  • 40 1
 Wait....... YOU CAN GET THOSE?

Bum Bum Bum Bump Bum Buuum Bump Bum Buuummmmm
  • 118 1
 That would Luke pretty sweet
  • 23 0
 Go Storm Trooper rather - the suit comes with built in crash protection...
  • 53 1
 They should have gone with the new 888 RC3PO really
  • 7 0
 A red lightsaber to each one of the first 10 buyers....
  • 12 0
 Lightsaber valve caps...
  • 65 2
 Nothing like riding the park all day and sitting down to a Wookie steak afterwards, delicious but just a little chewy
  • 8 2
 Kinda reminds me of a shocker but nicer
  • 7 14
flag wolf-amongst-lambs (Oct 6, 2014 at 7:41) (Below Threshold)
 Piss off.!!! I was thinking the same thing but how much nicer my shocker looks
  • 45 1
 So now banshee dark side vs canfield jedi.
  • 18 0
 I you go with the storm trooper you wont be able to "hit" any new features
  • 4 0
 Black frame, red bars, and lightsaber grips yes?
  • 2 1
 why did i read/sing @Waldon83 coment in the game of thrones theme song, instead of star wars???
  • 1 0
 @George-west those are available already, in multiple LED colors, every hipster has them on their fixies, and they are not as pretty as you imagine.
  • 5 17
flag George-west (Oct 6, 2014 at 14:28) (Below Threshold)
 @tjet fixie f*ggots these days
  • 5 0
 Lightsaber stanchions!!
  • 2 1
 I would like to see a Canfield Jedi, racing against a Banshee Darkside, both equipped with the same parts..... Lightsaber valve caps do exist, by the way....
  • 17 4
 what about the pedaling of a lighter build (like a 180mm, lighter wheelset), i have heard that its anti squat and cadence out perform those of lighter AM bikes ? did anyone climb it ? this frame may also be classified as a long travel enduro .
  • 15 1
 I built one up with this in mind using lightweight plastic bits, it pedals great while seated in the travel but as soon as you stand up and mash you are reminded it does indeed have 180 travel.
32.9 lbs
Ccdba cs
Xfusion metric
Lb carbon 650b dh rims with 2.4 ardents tubeless
Sixc Cranks w narrow wide and saint clutch rd
Enve bars saint brakes
Rase black mamba dropper

It handles everything awesome and I have no problem flying by people on xc rides while still bombing down rough stuff. Feels best with the bottom bracket in the lowest setting with 650b wheels. Jumps slightly better with 26 but carries speed a bit better with 650b and still jumps alright, nice and easy to manual too.
  • 1 0
 @Kitejumping- How much do you like those carbon 650b rims? Are those the 35mm hookless ones?
  • 2 1
 thanx for the info, thats exactly the kind of input i was looking for.
i plan on running 26" crossmax sx ( 27.5 madness is kind of a marketing scam) so expect build to be light which is not bad at all for a bike with muscle.
how tall r u ?
6'5 here and was wondering about the insertion length into seat post not running too short on me (large frame) as the seat tube is a short 16.1"
i plan on running it short moderate climbs to the top where fun begins ,no more than half hour pedal up, nothing more than that.
btw, do you experience any shifting issues into the largest cog (climbing), think iv read on the mtbr darkside forum somehwere chainline issues on 142mm axle?
10spd or 11spd cassette?
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 @Kitejumping: this is what i call enduro bike Smile
  • 2 0
 @jlevandoski: I like the rims a lot but have not had them very long yet so can't comment on durability, they are the 35mm hookless ones (front AM and rear DH) tubeless with WTB 30mm tape and were inflated with a floor pump without any problems. They feel nice and stiff and accelerate quick.

@windben: you might run into problems with insertion length if your 6'5. I am on a medium at 6' and my dropper fits about 10" in, but the diameter of the inner post that moves on my dropper is narrower than a usual one, with a normal post you might get 8.5-9" total insertion on a medium (I don't have a normal post to test). I am running 1x6 (11-34) on a single speed Hadley so don't have any chainline issues with the 142 axle, if you were going to run 9 speed or 10 speed on a 142 axle you might need front chain ring spacers. This bike really isn't intended for XC but if you build it up light and have a long enough seat post it works and you can get extra rowdy on the dh trail segments. The most climbing I have done on it was only about 1,200 ft on a 26 mile ride, it handled it great (its relatively flat where I live). Also, the way the seat post angle is if your seat is way up it sits slightly deeper in the travel than when your standing, builttoride could probably comment on the max seat post height suggested before it puts too much pressure on it. I also added an extra full sized spacer in the CCDBA CS as I felt it bottomed too easily with the suggested sag.
  • 14 0
 Can we get a follow up review of the new Marzocchi 380 fork and shock Pinkbike? Is this top out from the Marzocchi Moto Shock the norm or is that a one off problem?
  • 1 0
 every brand has a bad nut or two. My Marzo feel wicked as' the day I got it
  • 13 0
 review the SPITFIRE!

I am in love with that bike. THE perfect "trail" bike.
  • 4 0
 Yeah second that, think I'm going to order a Spitty frame for next year, cant find anything but praise for how it rides
  • 4 0
 I bought my spitfire in the summer. Best thing I ever did!!! Worth every single penny...
  • 12 1
 Get to ride my darkside for the first time this wknd and it's my birfday. Just slightly stoked hahah
  • 4 0
 happy birthday!
  • 2 0
 Haha cheers man birthday is on Thursday the day I should be picking it up, took a few days of annual leave to break her in properly Smile .
From Lillydale ? Small world I'm from Airport west. Might see ya on the trails some day.
  • 1 0
 aw that's sick! small world indeed, enjoy the holiday and the bike Smile
  • 9 4
 Bike looks badass, but the name isnt really suiting the current citrus color scheme, some dark grey and black would make it look the part.
  • 11 0
 It does come in the stealth black colourway too.

(Pinkbike's link has an extra 's')
  • 1 0
 Oh much better!
  • 2 3
 Yes!! Now is someone gonna make a joke about darkside and starwars? I don't wanna have to be the one to do it
  • 1 0
 No jokes required. Its already implied.
  • 2 1
 Yeah brightside for the orange version and darkside for the black - just drop my cheque in the post Banshee (or frame) to sewer rat towers for that contribution
  • 2 0
 I had a Legend for a bit that I rode in Whistler for 2 seasons and it was a tank. I then rode a TR250 for the past year and a half or so and it was far more nimble and playful but I did not have the confidence that the Legend gave me. This Darkside is like what the offspring of those 2 bikes would be.
  • 3 0
 15 seasons on my banshee scream with nothing but a handful of broken pivot bolts (all fixed trailside). Gonna finally retire it next year, I think the darkside will be a good replacement.
  • 2 0
 "...can also run a shorter stroke shock to reduce the travel down to 164mm." Couldn't I reduce travel on any bike by running a shorter stroke shock, as long as the new shock had the same eye-to-eye length as the old one? Also, why would you want to do this? The Rune V2 has 160mm rear travel, and it's (slightly) lighter and cheaper....
  • 2 0
 This also drops the bottom bracket and keeps the same head angle as the 203 double crown set-up. Way different than the rune in this mode. Essentially a true mini DH bike.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, it's using a different length shock, standard off the shelf 8.5x2.5" to lower bike down and reduce travel... just an option for customers if they want it.
  • 4 0
 If you wanna know this bike, must be ridden, switch to the "I love whistler" video by Jack Fogelquist...
  • 4 1
 well my TR500 has 180 and 203 mm rear travel and i would say
i've ridden them both but 180mm kind of not my cup of tea
especially on a a bit extra weight frame Smile
  • 3 0
 agreed @Sidecar, I'd like to hear more.
  • 1 0
 to hear what for what more ?? I don't run Mz damper anymore but the chassis of my
888RC2X does the job well Razz Razz i wonder can i fit my Ava in 380 aghhh ??
  • 1 0
 @dragrider.. I like to read unbiased reviews of our products by other riders, not just editorial staff or sponsored riders, y'dig?
  • 1 0
 well if i have to give a review Marzocchi is the best choice i have had so far for a number of reasons and guess what im saving money for it's just not an easy job for me to save that cash consider what ill get at the end that's y... I can say so far im happy with the RC2X chassis and the exotic fitments inside. As far as it concerns PB reviews they always seems to sound in favour of the product they describe and seems a bit corrupted to me or im terribly wrong Smile
  • 5 0
 Looks like a VP Free back in the day.. Very nice!
  • 1 0
 Was thinking the same thing. Still love the VPF, it's been my loyal AM steed for near on 8 years I reckon, still going strong.
  • 3 0
 Bet ya it works great on Dark side too! sssshhhhhh!
Yo Marz stick with the open bath RC3 damper and I love my Roco air rear shock! Smile
  • 10 0
 duly noted, not that anyone really listens to me here anyway Smile
  • 6 0
 it is good to see Banshee putting Marz shocks and forks on thiere bikes. Smile
  • 3 0
 This review doesn't seem as in-depth as a lot of the reviews of late. I'd like to know how the bike handles set to the 164mm travel with a single crown fork and 650b wheels.
  • 4 0
 We only have so much time with each review bike, which means it's not always possible to try out every possible configuration.
  • 1 0
 Yeah I get that, I'm only wanting to know what it's like with that set up for purely selfish reasons! As I think it could be perfect for UK Bikepark and uplift days Smile
  • 3 0
 No worries. I think it'd be well suited to the UK Bikepark and shuttling with that setup - maybe a little on the heavy side, but built like a tank so you could get as rowdy as you wanted.
  • 2 0
 Definitely could be perfect UK DH/park bike, though I'd leave it at 180mm. Plenty of reach on the large too Smile
Mike, do you have any idea how one of these compares to a Morewood Kalula? And what is mud clearance like?
  • 4 0
 This set up is unreal! Super fast and build is 32 lbs and a friend who had a SWorks Demo was blown away how much faster and smooth it was comparedto his. I since stocked my store with a similar more aaffordable build. Can't wait to get the next addict on one.
  • 1 0
 I've had my Darkside since March and I love it. The article is pretty spot on. I use to own a Cove STD and the Banshee is a way more capable free ride bike, I ended up running a coil Elka and CCDb air and i would have to agree that the Cane creek felt better on that bike then the coil. It pedals wicked for a 7 inch bike, minimum bob and i'm 240. I generally run a little more low speed compression on my shock. my bike is a large and comes in at just over 39 lbs with a dropper and a super heavy halo wheel on the front.
  • 1 0
 What do you prefer with the banshee compared to the cove? I have a STD too but this darkside might be my next choice of bike. Thanks
  • 3 0
 The suspension feels similar to the coves except it handle square edge bumps way better. It plows dh courses as good as any dh bike.. It almost feels bottomless. The bike was designed to be a fun bike that could win you a dh race and hold up to punishment and it's spot on. All i have to say is this bike is scary fast and the steeper and gnarlier the better. I've also ridden it in lots of different places in bc that offer a huge variety of diff terrain and it doesn't matter the darkside eats it up and the way it corners it the thing that puts the biggest smile on my face. The fact that you can also adjust the ride height is awesome. for the most part i leave in the the low slack setting but when going to places like nelson when i know bb height will be an issue i change the height and it's all good. so yeah i hope that answers your question
  • 1 0
 Totally, thank you Wink
  • 4 1
 I have been riding one for 3 months now, by far one of the most fun bikes I have ever ridden! This review is spot on.
  • 1 0
 How is this bike with pedaling?
I have curently Ns Soda FR and im using it for everything - bikeparks, enduro trips, trailriding, 60-130km trips full of pedaling, all of this easily with one bike(+-17kg). Now im thinking about change the frame, bcs Soda have littlebit shorter front triangle(reach), than is comfortable for me and Darkside landed in my mind.

So what you think about idea - building Darkside with single crown fork as durable Do-It-All bike (which include lot of pedaling also).
  • 3 0
 ...probably many people recommend me Rune II, but im looking for something about 180mm of travel
  • 1 0
 It pedals okay for a 180mm bike. I have the CCDB CS and with the climb switch on it will go where you want it to. If you have been pedaling the soda then you could probably pedal this. I have a Road cassette and a 36 tooth Chainring so it does not like to pedal you really have to push but the pedal bob is not that significant. And with the proper build, i.e. standard mountain cassette, 32-34 tooth chain ring, single crown fork, It should pedal pretty well.
  • 4 0
 But lets be honest, you are talking about a 7 inch bike to do it all. It may pedal ok for a 7 inch bike, but it's never going to climb very well
  • 1 0
 yeah, i know my legs get stronger faster Wink
...but im habitated well with Soda i think (...lets be honest, the geo of Soda looks like more pedaling friendly, on the other side, kinematic of rear its not so much, opposite to the Darkside)
  • 3 0
 Would love to have one with 180mm single crown fork - metric for example Smile ...wish.
  • 1 0
 great one! How are the BOS toys holding up?
  • 1 0
 Super Smooth Void is on point for sure
  • 1 0
 @Chainlinebikes: 4 yrs too late in the party..???? but how was the bb height? I had a 180mm identity mogul but I hated the bb height, too low and couldn't pedal properly. Cheers
  • 6 6
 I used to own a Banshee Legend. It was an awkward bike to ride, It felt weird when you pedal and it wasn't the most confident rig on the jumps and drops though as a bike it was okay. Just a few months ago I borrowed my friend's Banshee Darkside and wow was it an improvement over the Legend, The pedaling has improved a lot compared to the Legend and it felt a bit more stable at speed and it didn't feel floaty around the corners.
  • 3 0
 I have owned a Legend for 2 years now and I can't relate to any of what you said.... At high speeds its the most stable bike I've ever owned and really it's really capable as a DH race bike! You have to be very active on it at low speeds, but on rough tracks it just plows through everything! You need speed to jump it, but it doesn't eat up the lip like other DH bikes do. The pedalling is not that good, but still acceptable for a DH bike. If you find it to be floaty around corners, you probably don't want to ride a DH Bike.
  • 3 0
 Well considering it was my first real DH bike so yeah it took some time to get used to it. I bought the Legend 2nd hand as a frame only 3 years ago and it came with a Manitou 6 Way shock and hadn't changed it through my time using it since I was on a budget. Perhaps it was the spec and not the frame itself that I was struggling with my riding since I was used to riding slightly shorter travel bikes.
  • 1 0
 @carfreak2000 Manitou 6 way shock is worst shock i ever had on any bike. And it can change they way how bike works by hundreds of percents... so probably thats why it felt like you said.
  • 1 1
 @carfreak2000 : then don't write about stuff if you don't know anything about it, that just irritates other people.
  • 2 0
 Come on guys my comment was made like a year ago. I learned my mistake lets not bring it up again.
  • 2 0
 If I had a spare $4,500 in hand, the hardest part would be deciding between the orange or black color scheme.
  • 5 0
 Aluminum is real.
  • 1 0
 I love the I turned to the Darkside! Its a wicked bike that will definately take hits, you'll go through rims like no other cause how huge you can huck and feel comfortable. A Solid DH rig forshure
  • 2 0
 Sounds like the moto had some air in the damping assembly? My DHX Air had a similar problem.
  • 3 0
 Think I just found my next frame.
  • 6 5
 looks sick... wish pinkbike could bring in a rating out of 10 or something. 4.5/5 stars??
  • 11 1
 I feel like it would cheapen the review a bit. It's often difficult to quantify the pros and cons in a bike into an /5 figure and risks giving false impressions to readers over an almost completely arbitrary number.
  • 4 0
 Maybe they could split the rating up into different categories like stiffness, value/components, handling, durability etc...
  • 5 0
 I would like that. Sometimes it seems like all reviews are too positive, and all the conclusions are the same: this is a fun bike. A quantitative section would take the tendency towards relativity out of it.
Then again, the qualitative approach has its strengths. Not all bikes are better or worse. Sometimes they are just different. I would like a bit of both.
  • 1 0
 I've seen numerical scores turn into such a sh&t fight! One reviewer gives a DH bike 4/5 for stiffness say, then another gives an XC bike 4/5 and the comments section erupts!
  • 2 0
 Best bike I ever had so far
  • 3 1
 avid is just a rearbrake for a djbike.
  • 2 1
 Orange bikes look so mint!
  • 1 0
 mine is in it's way…. can't wait!…
  • 1 0
 looks like i just found my new downhill rig
  • 2 0
 More puns......Love it.
  • 1 0
 Who is with me on the DARKSIDE!
  • 1 0
 Verrryy Niece...
  • 1 0
 Yeeeew, looks awesome
  • 1 0
 40lbs fark thats heavy
  • 4 0
 Budget build of heavy parts = heavier... have seem them built up to 32.5lbs for those that spec lighter parts
  • 1 0
 Damn... thats one hell of a build!
  • 1 0
 WOW so nice
  • 1 0
 looks like a shocker
  • 1 0
 Buying Now!!!!!!!
  • 1 0
 Hence my username
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