Evil Updates the Offering With a UDH & New Colors

Oct 11, 2022 at 10:42
by Mike Kazimer  

Add the Evil Offering to the list of bikes that are getting slight tweaks rather than major revisions for 2023. Like the Wreckoning, its longer-travel sibling, the Offering LS now has a universal derailleur hanger (UDH) and an updated linkage that eliminates the possibility of dropping a spacer on the ground and watching it roll away during a shock swap. There are changes on the horizon in the drivetrain world, and by the looks of things a UDH will be required to take advantage of them.


If you were wondering, LS stands for 'lightly salted' – Evil are adding a little flavor to their lineup, but not changing the recipe. The Offering still retains its 29” wheels and 141mm of rear travel, and a 66.4-degree head tube angle in the stock setting with a 150mm fork. A flip chip allows that number to drop to 65.8-degrees while also lowering the BB height by 8mm.

Looking for something slacker? The Offering can run a 160mm fork, or Evil has angle-adjusting headsets available to knock up to 1.5-degrees off of the head tube angle.

Evil is also offering free yearly bearing replacements on all of their bikes from 2022 forward.

The Offering retains its short, 430mm chainstays and SuperBoost spacing, but is now UDH compatible.

More info: evil-bikes.com

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152 Comments

  • 107 1
 Consider me whelmed
  • 23 2
 Where can I place a bet on the over/under?
  • 11 0
 I love the word whelmed. That and calling things luke instead of lukewarm is really fun.
  • 14 0
 @dockboy: You can also be gruntled. I certainly am.
  • 5 0
 @dockboy: Grief, this is diculous, one might even say good and re so much so!
  • 1 2
 @DizzyNinja: can send all wagers to my Paypal account, send me a PM
  • 7 0
 I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious. (Michael Scott, The Office)
  • 3 0
 @ullsen: Maybe next time you will estimate me.
  • 4 0
 if you've ever had to do a bearing swap-out on a Specialized bike (billions of spacers flying everywhere), you'll appreciate a brand that tweaked a design to keep the spacers in place!
  • 53 4
 starting to wonder if new colours means, factory has some paint left and its this or this
  • 5 1
 LOL
  • 61 0
 They just take the previous colors and mix them together. Eventually, if they do it enough times all bikes will be the same color poop brown.
  • 32 1
 Bring back black and slightly-darker-black
  • 17 1
 @noapathy: Or as Revel calls it "Sedona".
  • 34 0
 Or the inventory of frames they ordered for 2020 is finally available from the production line and they cannot just paint them the same color as back then.
  • 2 1
 @noapathy: lol nailed it
  • 5 0
 @Offrhodes: ding ding ding. that's definetly it
  • 2 0
 @noapathy: Having memories of the movie "Operation Petticoat".
  • 3 2
 @hughbm: None more black.
  • 9 1
 Caveat- I think Evil has some of, if not the best looking frames out there. The lines are perfect.

That being said, their design probably requires some pretty complex molds, which makes it hard to iterate every 3 years, since molds are north of $100,000 and it can take 2-3 molds per size, even assuming all the sizes share the same rear triangle, which might require more than a single mold by itself...
  • 2 1
 I can hear the squeaks already.
  • 5 0
 @nateb: my calling has been quiet af the whole 5 years I've had it tbh.
  • 2 0
 @noapathy:

This is definitely happening at Rocky and SantaCruz!
  • 2 3
 @hamncheez: $100,000 per mold? That's maybe 7 or 8 bikes these days
  • 1 0
 @Timenator: same!
  • 1 0
 @hughbm: Agree, or at least keep one black paint option
  • 3 0
 @nateb: have had an offering since 2020. Been a great bike and silent, besides the I9 hubsSmile
  • 24 6
 So much hate for this brand, almost certainly from folks who have never ridden one. Don't you guys know not to judge a bike by geo chart? I've demoed an offering, and the overall climb/descend balance was fantastic. No wonder they don't send bike to PB to review, the Pinkers will just s!@# all over it. The Following V1 was the best bike I've ever had, should have never sold it. The DELTA suspension is amazing. I'm a fanboy. Next bike will probably be a wreckoning.
  • 20 1
 Post any bike and there will be 10 guys bashing it and one guy defending it with his life. Tis the way she goes
  • 3 2
 Word on the street back in the day was that somewhere between 5% and 95% of the first six years worth of Evil bikes shat themselves. That might have something to do with the hate.
A mate of mine had two and they both shat themselves, which was a shame because they looked sexual - especially the first gen undead
  • 2 7
flag taskmgr (Oct 12, 2022 at 10:01) (Below Threshold)
 yeah 100% not amazing. i'll never touch one again. even if they sent one for free i'd just sell it asap
  • 3 3
 I owned a wreckoning for a week, short chainstays and "stupid boost" are not for me.
  • 2 0
 @taskmgr: If they'd send me one for free I'd just ride it. Surely can't be that bad. How short are these chainstays then? Mine are 415mm, works perfectly fine. As for the boost stuff, what can be so bad about it? Just get a hub that fits and you'll be good.
  • 1 2
 @vinay: oh yeah, pretty bad. the dual leverage ratio can be a bitch. especially with coil shocks. and they do in fact break constantly.
  • 2 0
 @taskmgr: wtf are you talking about lol
  • 2 1
 @NicolaZesty314: what are you talking about? The dual progression rate is a bitch to tune and I've broken a few frames. Any other questions?
  • 3 0
 @taskmgr: yeah, I'm confused too. Mine was easy to tune. You've broken "a few" Evil frames? I call bullshit
  • 1 2
 @tatchle1: yeah you do seem easily confused. Yea a few frames and linkages. Not sure why that's hard to understand. I cant reword it many other ways
  • 2 1
 @taskmgr: several, more than one, a handful, some.
That poor little tiny linkage having to squash a 650lb spring. It’s hardly surprising.
  • 18 0
 That’s an odd shade of black.
  • 19 6
 Updated spacers for when your trunnion shock is in and out being repaired!
  • 13 1
 Came for DH and left disappointed. Dammit
  • 1 2
 if you bought one you'd be as dissapointed as you are with this article.
  • 1 0
 @taskmgr: please show in this drawer where evil touched you
  • 2 1
 @NicolaZesty314: many places because of my linkages and frames breaking and exploding lol
  • 15 3
 SO EDGY!
  • 10 2
 Failing to mention the names of the colors is kind of unacceptable, as evil goes to so much effort with them. Bring back “rusty trombone.” Hah
  • 21 14
 It's best to ignore everything they do.
  • 7 0
 Reigning Blood and Absinthe
  • 1 0
 Smashing Pumpkin or Drunken Olive?
  • 2 0
 @2wheelzgood: Homer Simpson and Smiling Politely
  • 4 0
 New colors are part of the production cycle.
Year 1 - new product, start working on future model
Year 2 - new color, proto & develop future model
Year 3 - new color, final revisions & sell in future model
Year 4 - NEW Model, then repeat steps 1-3

Budgets, staff, economy, and world events can/will affect the cycle…
  • 5 0
 Looking like we'll see a ton of builds with the new Sram direct mount derailleur next year....
  • 3 0
 So are their seat tubes still so short internally that you can hardly insert a decent length post, leaving you with a a super low looking frame with a seat you can’t put down.
  • 2 0
 you can slam a 180 one up on a Medium frame... i'd say that's plenty enough
  • 3 0
 @NicolaZesty314: their sizing is a little on the large side. the medium is for riders upto 6 foot. the size small is closer to many medium size bikes. so as a 5`6" rider I normally take a medium like my starling murmur with 180mm post slammed. but on the offering I would take a small and my dropper sticks so far out the evil frame (5cm) that I would need a much shorter travel post that would leave me unable to fully drop the seat. so effectively the seat height is out of proportion with the rest of the bike.
  • 1 0
 I have a medium Following V3 and a 210 Oneup dropper that is about 10mm shy of allowing full insertion.
  • 3 0
 @propermuntered: 5'6" with a 180 dropper; are your balls around your neck??
  • 1 0
 @likeittacky: think about it: a 180mm dropper slammed into a 410mm seat post is low enough the tyre just touches the seat on full compression. So it’s super low, great for steep techy stuff. Fully extended is perfect. If I use a 150 post. When it’s slammed it’s 30mm higher. That’s no good for a short ass on techy steeps.
  • 1 0
 @propermuntered: You want your tire hitting the seat? That's Stupid! Likewise 5'6'' 150 post / 355 STH, 68mm from collar to collar and i get slapped by the tire frequently in situations from the 29 in back. Tire does not hit the seat and there is no need to go lower ;it will only create an issue or cause more shorts to get ruined.

Something is totally weird with your seat height... i'm not kidding either.
  • 1 0
 @likeittacky: your going full retard. It just touches. Point is fully down it’s as low as can be. Excellent. And fully extended it’s the right height. Not complicated dude.
  • 1 0
 @propermuntered: If that's what you like numb nuts than so be it. My offering with 150 plenty low and longest post it'll accept for said rider height.
  • 1 0
 @likeittacky: my starling murmur with 410mm seat tube fully accepts my 180mm dropper post on full extension its the same height as you on your evil with 150mm. difference is my seat will lower 30mm more than you, in the really steep tech terrain and via ferratas I ride in the alps I very much like this as it keeps the seat off my ass if I need to bail or im on a really shitty rocky switchback with huge exposure. horses for courses. I wanted an offering because I wanted the shorter chain stays and more progressive rear end but the 30mm higher seat killed it for me, no need to be an abusive fan boy.
  • 1 0
 @propermuntered: That murmur must have a very straight ST with no interference for the post cable actuator! FYI-Evil now has lowered its rider height for a medium to 5'6'' which is ridiculous especially with the longer reach than v1 model. @ 5/6 anything over 150 reach is a bit much imo
  • 5 0
 When will the new sram derailer that uses the udh be out
  • 1 0
 march 23'
  • 18 14
 Looks fancy. But I would never buy a bike with a slacker actual seat angle than the head angle.
  • 13 7
 if you're talking about this one you're way wrong, it climbs amazing everywhere you point it and the seat angle is perfect
  • 9 4
 @NicolaZesty314:

I’m sure it does if you are average proportions.
I have long legs, so I would end up over the rear axle with an actual seat angle like that.
  • 7 1
 @rich-2000: also i'm 6'3, mostly leg, run the bike with a 160mm Zeb and am still positioned better than I was on my firebird or SB165
  • 7 1
 @4everkidd: older firebird ? if so not so much a great reference
  • 2 4
 @rich-2000: not sure what' to cry about unless you're 7 foot, being 5'11" it fit's amazing, and i hear nothing but good things from people 6'1"-6'2"
  • 4 1
 6ft 3 on an XL and it’s the best climbing bike I’ve had since my S works enduro or most recently pivot firebird.
  • 9 8
 So I see they are still taking themselves and their edgy branding weirdly serious. It's especially odd, considering their bikes are actually pretty tame and middle-of-the-road. No stand-out geometry or cutting edge features. And on top of that, their customers mostly don't seem to be the core freeriders they apparently would like to target. In reality, their marketing seems to speak mostly to middle-aged dudes down in Guildford, riding flow trails on a sunday afternoon.
  • 7 0
 Their marketing doesn't seem like that at all, lol. Have you read any reviews or swung a leg over one? These bikes rip
  • 4 1
 @tatchle1: clearly he's another one that has never ridden one and talks shit about it anyway
  • 8 5
 Bikes used to come with super nice paint schemes, even on the cheaper end, they now give us bland, single color paint jobs.
  • 4 0
 I know right! I think back to some of the older Giant frames and Specialized frames. They were exciting as hell to look at. Especially some of the Glorys and Demos.
  • 4 0
 no one seemed to mind when Atherton offers colorways of black and slightly-less-black. they do, however, make up for it with 100 frame sizes.
  • 1 0
 @mattmatthew: At least on those circular tubes, you could wrap them with some wild things with ease.
  • 4 0
 "mid cycle refresh" as they say in the auto industry
  • 4 0
 Not Following why they needed someone drinking Bud Light in the video.
  • 3 0
 They want to show that they got a bad taste when it comes to beer.
  • 4 0
 Evil and Moment Skis should really be one company.
  • 2 1
 I'm convinced that if skiers could ski year-round Evil would cease to be a company
  • 4 0
 Review not coming tomorrow
  • 4 0
 I guess I'm the weird one here. Glad they didn't change much on this bike.
  • 2 0
 I don’t understand the hate on here. Classic pinkbikers I suppose. I’m on an Offering V1 and it is by far the best 29er I’ve ever ridden.
  • 1 0
 they must talk shit about everything, just plain dumb
  • 6 2
 thanks
  • 1 1
 One year during snowcheck Arctic cat or polaris once again had no changes that were significant enough for anyone to care, but they heavily marketed BNG for bold new graphics. This is what this is, BNG.
  • 2 0
 Why didn't they have "Evil Updates its Offering With a UDH & New Colours" as the headline?
  • 3 0
 Why is a new rear mech hanger considered a big deal?
  • 1 0
 I personally like the burly one they had
  • 8 10
 Do we really need all those flip chips and anglesets? To me it looks like a quick fix of the bad design. (I'm not picking here just on Evil. There's a lot of customers here)

Idk, maybe I'm wrong but I like to believe how bike companies test their bikes before releasing them and in the process they choose the geometry that works the best for most of the riders most of the time.

I'm not sure that I want a bike with +/- 3° HA adjustments, STA adjustments, different BB heights, 3 CS lengths, 4 shock progressiveness and chameleon paint job.
  • 8 0
 I think as long as it actually DOES something, adjustability is cool. For example, If I got an offering, I'd keep the stock HTA cause I like my front wheel to be planted on the techy crap I climb here in Las Vegas. But I bet if I lived in the PNW I'd want the slackened HTA.

I'm not a fan of flip chips that change something by like, 0.3 degrees. Why even have it?
  • 1 1
 Then you should get a WA1 Arrival.
  • 6 2
 About to hit up the gnar gnar? My bike is about to get 0.6° slacker! Can you guys just hang out for like half an hour while I remove these five linkage bolts and six pieces of machined aluminum, then flip two of them 180 degrees, and then quickly reinstall everything and get it torqued to spec?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mIUI7Fqjsk
  • 2 2
 @VtVolk: yeah cause for other bikes it's a "on the trail" thing lol come on
  • 3 0
 @NicolaZesty314: Do you even shred, bro?
  • 1 0
 There are good implementations like the stumpy evo where you can change the hta by 2 degrees and the bb by 10mm in 5 minutes. Most are pretty stupid though. Tbh even my stumpy evo got set to low and slack and I haven't changed it.
  • 1 0
 @VtVolk: i do, and i don't play with flip chips every 5 minutes like you'd like to, x-low forever and happy about it
  • 1 0
 There are plenty of bikes that don't have any adjustments you can buy. But some of us do like fiddling with our bikes and trying different setups on the same bike.

On my Following I'll run the flip chip in the X-Low position on 29ers in the spring when the ground is soft/muddy. And during mid-summer when everything dries out and gets sandy I'll throw on some 27.5 plus wheels and put the flip chip in the Low (high) position. That's what the flip chip is for.

It's one of the big reasons I bought the bike is because I can set it up in different ways and I'm not stuck to one thing (like buying a mullet bike and then deciding you want to ride a full 29er, oops, you now need a new bike).
  • 1 0
 @WestwardHo: Have a point here, I did the flip chip change on my Evil Offering to x-low recently, was not as easy as I would like. I am glad it has the adjustment, but there are other bikes that do this easier. Bike looks and rides sick though :- )
  • 2 0
 God those bikes are mad sexy but they’re so out of my budget!!
  • 1 0
 $1,000.00 OFF!!! They have a medium if your 5'7 - 6'

thundermountainbikes.com/collections/mountain-bikes/products/new-evil-the-offering-v2
  • 3 2
 I think we reached peak Evil two years ago. All the cool kids have Transitions or Norcos these days.
  • 1 0
 are the cool kids on transition the one crying about their frame being waaaaay misaligned and blowing any shock?
  • 2 0
 I don't get the hate for evil. I love mine.
  • 3 2
 This is the "Update" the thought this bike needed? Really?
  • 1 0
 Offering V1 liquidation discount was twice what I was offered…
  • 1 0
 boy they really went all out on those paint jobs....
  • 2 3
 JFC can somebody just tell me if you can put a normal deraullier on a UDH frame??
  • 8 0
 Of course you can. It is simply just a common hangar.
  • 1 9
flag blackercanyons (Oct 11, 2022 at 14:55) (Below Threshold)
 yes and then it will break because the UDH doesnt bend or break like hangers used to.
  • 3 3
 Design seems too complicated and bulky for my simple mind.
  • 2 0
 especially when it's essentially just a lever actuated single-pivot design.
  • 1 0
 shitola
  • 1 1
 I can hear the squeaks already.
  • 2 3
 New offerings for the offering, but rings kinda off to me.
  • 8 10
 Make the chainstay longer for larger sizes, jeez.
  • 6 2
 But why?
  • 3 2
 @Alexgodlien:
Because not doing so leaves us tall folk with less than ideal setups
  • 3 0
 @Solorider13: There is ton of brands out there, choose one with longer/proportional CS. Some people prefer sorter chainstay
  • 3 0
 make one with more pivot points and bolts ffs !
  • 3 2
 @Solorider13: I'm 6'1 riding a medium wreck, just cause the internet says its wrong doesnt mean it cant be done
  • 1 1
 @Vvltom: that’s sounds terrible. You must have unique proportions.
  • 3 5
 Super boost. So close, yet still wrong.
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