Field Test: 13 Bikes Hucked to Flat at 1000 FPS

Dec 17, 2019 at 12:15
by Mike Kazimer  

PINKBIKE FIELD TEST

13 Bikes Hucked to Flat at 1000 FPS


Filmed on a Phantom for your viewing pleasure.


Hucks by Jason Lucas


Merry Christmas! It's time for another round of hucks to flat, all in the name of pseudo-science. We took this year's batch of Field Test bikes, grabbed a wooden kicker, and set to work documenting an afternoon of hucking. Anthill Films graciously loaned a hand, and thanks to their Phantom camera the landings were filmed at 1000 frames per second, so you can watch all the jiggling and flexing in super slow motion.


In order of appearance:

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Yeti SB165
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GT Force 29
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Ibis Mojo HD5


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Specialized Enduro S-Works
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Guerrilla Gravity Trail Pistol
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Intense Primer S

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Pole Stamina 140
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Juliana Joplin
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Orbea Occam

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Mondraker F-Podium DC
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Trek Top Fuel
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Pivot Mach 4 SL


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Norco Optic





Special thanks to Anthill Films.

The 2020 Pinkbike Field Test was made possible by support from
Race Face apparel & pads, Giro helmets, & Sierra Nevada beer.


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277 Comments
  • 157 3
 Yay, I’m the only one looking at PB on Christmas Day. Merry Christmas everybody.
  • 21 22
 Merry Christmas ????
  • 45 0
 Whoops forgot Pinkbike had a war against emojis. RIP Santa emoji
  • 27 0
 @partymob: Pinkbike should have emojis. That would take the wild wild west of PB commenting to a new level.
  • 17 0
 Moon
  • 3 0
 @partymob: Evil
  • 12 2
 Gotta have a shit at some point even today. Merry Christmas everyone
  • 2 0
 What a wonderful Christmas gift. Thanks PB!
  • 3 0
 @tacklingdummy: :dead horse:
  • 7 0
 Dead Horse
  • 8 0
 Whip
  • 11 0
 Pinkbike still using emojis from 1999.
  • 4 1
 Weird flex, but okay
  • 1 0
 @SpaghettiShredder:
With no space
: moon: = Moon
: whip: = Whip
Most used on here
: facepalm: = Facepalm
  • 110 2
 That enduro BB is 1/2 millimeter off the ground
  • 9 0
 First thing I noticed too.... Scary.-
  • 4 0
 I was thinking the exact same thing, dangerously low to the ground.
  • 4 15
flag Abite (Dec 25, 2019 at 16:30) (Below Threshold)
 it's about 2 inches from the ground
  • 10 0
 Specialized did not approve of the initial pic. Too much truth.
  • 5 0
 long low slack. be part of the system.
  • 3 5
 It’s low, but I think it looks lower than it is because the chain is loose.
  • 5 0
 Went back and watched again — I’m surprised no one mentioned the gram at the beginning where the pedal scrapes the ground.
  • 1 0
 @TheR: the pedal being stamped into the ground is the only reason the chainring survived!
  • 16 4
 @Garethccc: If you think chainring on any bike that is not snapped in half would hit the flat ground you must be really bad at math. Static BB height of 354mm-170mm of travel(actually less than that vertically but this will do)-60mm tire squish= 124mm BB height at bottom out. DIameter of 32t chainring with chain on approx 130mm, so you are left with approx 60mm of ground clearance at bottom out, which is hardly surprising when there are many DH bikes with 200mm travel and lower BB. If it was in low setting substract 7mm, still nowhere near toughing the ground. Not to mention enduro has a bash guard so even it it did hit the ground it wouldn´t hit the chainring.
  • 9 0
 @Mondbiker: I feel quite bad for wasting your time there mate... I was being facetious and should have used the sarcasm tag.
  • 8 0
 @Garethccc: Don´t worry mate I like to do calculations like that just for the fun of it Wink
  • 3 3
 @Mondbiker: that’s nerd math. You’re a nerd.
  • 6 0
 @jbob27: nerd math is the new cool. welcome to the new age!
  • 4 0
 Low ri der, get a little higher.
  • 47 0
 That Mondraker handlebar flex tho... Holy shiet!
  • 23 0
 Yeah, the whole frame flexes like crazy too.
  • 8 0
 And the head tube/top tube/down tube!
  • 1 9
flag ninjatarian (Dec 25, 2019 at 9:30) (Below Threshold)
 To be fair, it did appear the tires were hucked at a much lower pressure than others in the test which forces more energy into the frame, but yeah, that bike looked like a noodle.
  • 10 0
 @ninjatarian: the tires were all pumped to 35psi right beforehand, so no slow leaks or anything. I think the way you land has a lot of impact on how the tire reacts.
  • 8 1
 That bike was way out of its comfort zone
  • 14 2
 Just a point of information but amount of flex inst directly related to strength. In a lot of cases a more rigid design will break at a lower load. Flexing allows to spread the load around to different parts of the structure.
  • 2 0
 @tbev: been curious if that flex is actually part of the engineering. Looks wild in slo-mo, but I’d probably never notice it while riding.
  • 1 3
 Soo much flex on all of them really. I'm surprised the head tubes didn't snap. Also, seems to me that the forks were all under pressure. Every one bottomed out. Ideally, you should have a little bit of your travel left when hitting like that vs jamming against the crown. Obviously that it would suck to lose all the plush of a trail tuned air pressure, but for HTF, i'd think you would adjust as appropriate. Would save a lot of stress on the head tubes, bearings, and steer tubes.
  • 44 0
 That's reminded me. Reset sag after my Christmas Dinner
  • 49 7
 The content has really bottomed out this holiday season.
  • 7 7
 I knew someone would launch a pun thread.
  • 10 5
 All the articles seem kinda flat
  • 1 3
 Wish they launched a real yucky new year. Put air in those shocks puppy.
  • 24 1
 Weird flex but ok
  • 13 1
 @JoeRSB: the Ibis seemed to have the least flex and the smoothest controlled impact on landing. The Mondraker was all over the place Redface
  • 3 1
 @landscapeben: I agree. It looked the most composed. The rear tire didn't looked too squashed too. The Mondraker had lots of back and forth impacts going on. The Intense looked pretty good too.
  • 3 0
 the mojo looked super composed.. i'm gonna have to wash my sheets after viewing this video - all hail the Phantom!
  • 16 1
 Wow the BB on the specialized is LOW. Nice pedal smash!
  • 2 1
 Get low
  • 5 1
 J Lo
  • 2 6
flag jclnv (Dec 25, 2019 at 10:04) (Below Threshold)
 Not for beginners.
  • 15 0
 Massive headtube or fork flex on several of the bikes.
  • 1 0
 Flexin' ya know
  • 3 4
 I saw that with bikes with less travel the most. It looked like a couple of them were close to failure.
  • 1 7
flag downtownier (Dec 25, 2019 at 11:35) (Below Threshold)
 IMHO GG is the most flexy In 2nd Mondry
  • 4 1
 @PanchoPaloma: looks like that Pike fork did most of the flexing in the GG drop. My two cents..
  • 3 0
 @PanchoPaloma: I don't see much flex on the GG, while the Mondry frame flexes like crazy.
But maybe more frame flex is acutally a good thing to prevent breaking
  • 1 0
 I doubt you have to worry about breaking the GG but it seemed like being mega stiff introduced a bit of harshness. You could probably design better suspension around that though.
  • 1 2
 @bman33: Did the crown hit the head tube?
  • 1 1
 @bman33: Yeah, looks like it to me too. Quite dramatic how much the pike and Fox 34 forks flexed compared to the Fox 36 forks.
  • 12 2
 no clue if it's the fork settings?
but what I noticed was how much better the Fox handles the very end of the stroke, as apposed to the Rockshox that seems to blow straight through its travel until bottomed??
The Fox really appears to ramp up a lot to prevent the harsh bottom out? ( i'm talking about the last 1/2 inch of travel)

my 2 cents
  • 8 2
 Yeah that last bit of travel on the Fox 36 is super progressive
  • 17 2
 As far as I know Fox forks, when bottoming out, still have around 10mm of stanchion left to see, while Rock Shox forks bottom out with the stanchions fully inside the lower legs. So there is not really much difference here between Fox and RS. But I agree that the Fox forks on a few of those hucks look smoother, than the RS forks.
  • 11 1
 The fox forks on several bikes weren't as smooth as the RS ones IMHO. You can see them sliding, then stopping for a tiny amount of time, and then start moving again. Anyway, looking at how all of those forks bent back and forth is scary as shit. I really prefer to huck them without noticing it on a daily basis.
  • 7 0
 Forgetting the bottom out, it does look like RS forks are blowing through its travel easier than the Fox forks.
  • 4 2
 Fox is also 36 stanchions VS 35 on the Pikes...but yeah, considerable difference. Would like to see these tests also with different forks like the Lyrik, the new Öhlins, and also one of those Trust forks...
  • 1 0
 @OneTrustMan: my experience has been the same. The labeled travel was measured to the fox engraving on the stanchion. That being about 10mm lower than the crown.
  • 2 1
 The fox are soo stiff they dont flex and only bind.
RS got some flex so don't bind but blow through travel ?
  • 7 2
 @bigburd: Fox 36 is less stiff than Lyrik both torsionally and fore/aft, I don´t know about 34 to Pike comparison but I would not bet against Pike either.
  • 1 3
 @Mondbiker: have any references on this? Figured the fox would be stiffer, not just because the stansions are slightly bigger(1mm), but most high end builds spec them.
  • 2 0
 @Hauck: stanchion diameter itself has very little to do with stiffness, crown and axle design is a lot more important than 1mm difference in dia Wink forums.mtbr.com/attachments/shocks-suspension/1250154d1557152619-manitou-mezzer-image001.png
  • 3 0
 @gbcarmona: ain't the flex, its the damper bro
  • 1 1
 He lands different every time. Some times with different feet forward, on someone else’s bike hitting a kicker you can’t see. Just bikes being bottomed out and someones using it to confirm their overpriced purchases. Wink
  • 2 0
 @southoftheborder: dude you're so right. coming in with a bmx/steel fork background... seeing this kinds stuff gives me nightmares. Took me a long time to get comfortable shredding on an aluminum fork.
  • 1 1
 @filmdrew: there’s loads of give in a bmx fork also, they’re still using 1 1/8.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: yes, lots of give, but the ol' axiom goes like this: Steel bends, Aluminum breaks, and Carbon EXPLODES Wink
  • 13 0
 On the 25th day of Christmas Pinkbike clickbaited me, to 25 bikes huckin flat for all to see .... I’ll get me coat
  • 5 0
 @pinkbike
@brainpark
@jasonlucas
@mikelevy
@mikekazimer
@sarahmoore
Big thanks to all of you and whoever I’m forgetting for bringing us this content. Despite my elbow ribbing from time to time I appreciate these reviews and the time/effort put into each one. The huck to flat compilation is awesome. Merry Christmas ya filthy animals
  • 5 0
 @brianpark sorry dude. I’m having an episode of “brain park”.
  • 2 0
 @SacAssassin: 'brain park' was an excellent series, highly underrated.
  • 7 0
 Thank god they included Levy saying "oh no, that's my favorite one!" after they noted the Pole breaking or Leo would have come over and obliterated the comments section.
  • 1 0
 There was a lot of window dressing on that for sure.
  • 7 1
 is it me or dd the Pole suspension look the smoothest? Seems a lot of the designs don't go through the travel without looking kinda "notchy".
  • 36 0
 There was pretty big 'notch' at the end of the travel though.
  • 16 0
 Ibis looked super smooth
  • 32 1
 Well it had the help of a secondary energy absorption feature.
  • 6 1
 It appeared to me that the notchy appearing suspension motion was due to the tires compressing and rebounding a few times as the suspension moved through its travel.
  • 2 0
 @Fix-the-Spade: yep, it's like the damper just 'gave'?
  • 4 0
 Nice. Pain and suffering on 2 wheels there. I'm sure your chiropractor had fun. Pretty cool to see the suspension in action in slow mo and full compression. My bike is just a single pivot but I'd live to get a slow mo shot of this for my old school Prophet. Very cool. Oh and I've had enough gravity assisted dismounted over the years that I'd likely make a chiropractor either very happy or very sad. Ha. Merry fuckin Christmas to all whole celebrate and happy holidays to everyone.
  • 4 0
 That was fun to watch. Thanks Pinkbike.

Next time you do something like this, can you get some data acquisition equipment, Shockwiz? along with the high speed film? That would be add to some nerdiness to this parking lot hooliganism.
  • 4 0
 I would love to see this test done with cush core inserts and lower tire pressure. The tires compress and rebound multiple times before the suspension bottoms out. I wonder how the damping qualities of cush core would change that.
  • 3 0
 I was thinking the same thing! On several of the bikes, the rear wheel bounced completely off the ground while the suspension was compressing. I definitely see the argument for damping in the tires, especially the rear.
  • 5 0
 It would've been interesting to see the Forbidden Druid hucked to flat to see what the smaller reduction in wheelbase looks like (because of the rearward axle path).
  • 1 0
 yes, seconded.
  • 5 0
 the switch foot landing is throwing me off. different foot forward when the bikes change. Im a right foot forward always and its so hard for me to jump left foot forward.
  • 1 0
 Pretty impressive ability!
  • 5 0
 I really, really wanted to see how the new banshee rune V3 would preform on this test. Maybe in the future, hopefully Merry Christmas PB's.
  • 9 5
 I'd say Yeti and Intense had the best landings with good absorption. Yeti, man those bikes are good at everything it seems. merry xmas riders !
  • 3 2
 I bought the SB130 this year and it’s by far the most fun and playful bike I’ve ridden.
  • 10 1
 There are a comical amount of Yeti’s for sale in the Denver area with “new rear triangle” in the specs.
  • 1 0
 @ryan83: interesting although I only saw one SB130 on the list.
  • 2 0
 "Yeti, man those bikes are good at everything it seems"

Just like pretty much all other modern bikes. All comes down to how you set the bikes up, from the shock setting to the bar/stem setup that distributes your weight a certain way. For example, if you run less sag, you often get more anti squat out of most bikes.
  • 5 0
 @ryan83: I mean when he said good at everything I assumed he knew they'd be great a breaking too. Only thing I've seen with greater frame explosion potential is an Evil.
  • 5 2
 Notice the Intense's chain wasn't flopping as bad as the others? And a more stable recovery too. This is good food for thought as I contemplate a replacement for my aging Turner Sultan.
  • 4 0
 I think the GT has the worst chain retention. Maybe the intense had the best?
  • 1 0
 @EKrum: Yes, it looked like the Intense was def one of, if not the best with chain retention.
  • 4 0
 How many times did you guys huck each bike? I notice you have the enduro at 0:34 smashing a pedal, then again you show it again at 1:32 and his feet are level this time.
  • 23 0
 Some of them took a couple takes as I had to land in a pretty specific spot.
  • 8 0
 @jasonlucas: your poor ankles and wrists damn
  • 1 0
 @jasonlucas: ho damn.
  • 1 1
 @jasonlucas: why are you switching feet?
  • 5 0
 Imagine if you had spent all that money on a Pole Machine and then saw this on Xmas day?
  • 6 0
 PB - have you done this with the Trust fork?
  • 4 2
 It's kinda like watching softcore porn when arms/legs cover things up and the full glory of the action is left to your imagination.

Film it on the foot rearward side so I can see it dammit! I can't get off on this soft shit!
  • 1 0
 i require full penetration!
  • 2 0
 Thought the Ibis looked great, but not surprised. Was surprised at how stable and controlled both the pole and the intense were. The trek and mondraker both looked flimsy as all hell. The specialized enduro BB is obviously a lot lower than any other bike, explains why it 'feels so stable', fine as a park bike I guess
  • 2 0
 354 or 347MM BB height is not even close to being low .
  • 2 0
 @Mondbiker: trek and mondraker are xc bikes
  • 2 0
 @Garethccc: Not sure what that is supposed to mean but I agree yes they are?
  • 1 0
 The thing is the enduro has more travel than most bikes in the video, so it ends up bottomed out lower.

Ie bikes with over 8" travel often have 14" bb height to begin with.
  • 2 0
 @brianpark ......
1: I LOVE that PB finally got a beer sponsor.
2: I LOVE that it's not Molsen (aka Elsinore Wink )
3: Did somebody say something about a budget and/or HT test-off before RC bailed? Got an publication ETA?
4: Thanks for this! Awesome content all year!
  • 4 1
 Anyone else feel uneasy after seeing the fork flex on all the bikes? Looked like they were about explode out of the steer tube!
  • 6 1
 Looks like ibis handled the best
  • 6 1
 Pretty crazy how short the wheelbase becomes. Seems super sketchy.
  • 3 3
 Buy a Druid with a Trust then.
  • 3 1
 @jclnv: Ehm, trust forks if anything shorten the wheelbase even more lol. They are designed to preserve head angle not wheelbase.
  • 1 3
 @Mondbiker: If a fork doesn’t dive under braking it’ll preserve wheelbase more than a telescopic fork.
  • 2 1
 @jclnv: What has huck to flat to do with braking?
  • 3 4
 @Mondbiker: What has huck to flat got to do with riding trails?
  • 3 1
 @jclnv: Let me kindly suggest you to reread the title of tread you are commenting here. BTW some people do drops every now and then on the trails too.
  • 1 1
 @jclnv: you have to do them every now and then but I’ll just take the bottom out while I’m at it, I’m not going to set my bike up for them and I’ll avoid them whenever possible. All this is, is bikes being bottomed out in slow motion and everyone’s turned into a scientist all of a sudden.
  • 7 3
 Looks like the Pike's bridge is getting slammed into the headtube on the Guerrilla
  • 1 0
 bridge? ho damn.
  • 1 0
 @Garethccc: *Arch, right Wink
  • 1 0
 Just noticed that too when this video was reposted. Does not look very harmonic at all
  • 1 0
 It's when you watch superslowmo like this you can really appreciate how much drive train technology has developed. The chain & derailleur may not be the best way to power our bikes but modern systems sure work damn hard within the design constraints. tup
  • 3 0
 all i can say is, we're so lucky to have the bikes we're riding now... it's all rider limitations at this point!
  • 1 0
 Has anyone investigated the tyre spring rate for the current generation of MTB tyres? You can see just how excited the tyre is under compression.

When it came to designing our racecar suspension, we measured our tyre rate at incremental pressures using an Instron machine and the results fed directly into our suspension spring rate calculations...
  • 3 0
 about twice as uch as suspension spring rate on flat ground, and around suspension spring rate on "square bump". there is huge variation, tho.
  • 2 0
 cushcore.
  • 1 0
 @Garethccc:

I remember reading some bits on their website a while back before I opted on buying some Rimpact inserts.

Do you know if tyre spring rate data is available anywhere?
  • 1 0
 @jgmu97: I remember some numbers being thrown around by cushcore at one point but can't find anything now... Try contacting them directly?
  • 1 0
 @Garethccc: Apparently a damper for your tires.
  • 1 0
 @Garethccc:

Cheers for the advice - I will give that a try!!
  • 6 2
 Too bad there wasn't a HPP bike (yes, Druid) in this edit as well.
  • 4 0
 They need to have a reader poll to see which one won.
  • 3 4
 Anyone else noticed that pedal kickback is not a thing. It just accelerates forward. Probably the reason why my experience with high kickback numbers and flat pedals was only negativ on steep janky uphills (on a 180mm singlepivot)
  • 2 2
 if chain isnt in tension before suspension movement, there is no kickback. but if it is, you'll feel it. Typically, if you are pedaling or braking hard.
  • 1 1
 They just don't air much bro.
  • 15 9
 Pedal Bob and Brake Jack are mythical creatures brought to being by dentists who need an excuse to buy a new bike.
  • 2 0
 Influence of mountain bike riding velocity, braking and rider action on pedal kickback Wink

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12283-019-0315-4
  • 6 3
 @ejucator: my buddy wrote a master thesis on position on the bike. He cannot ride well and half of his observations were total BS... but it did sound serious and factual. If you have problems with pedal kickback you are not paying attention to right things. I hope this paper reflects similar attitude...
  • 13 3
 @WAKIdesigns: You can easily feel the difference of brake jack and pedal bob on different suspension platforms and I'm not a dentist.
  • 3 0
 @ejucator i actually read this article before and think its sound. Especially if you take into consideration that almost all hub designs do have some degrees of rotational freedom before the chain is tensioned, the critical velocity is pretty low (going uphill). From my perspective pedalkickback is something i do not worry about, the right amount of antisquat and brake jack (geometry preservation) is what makes a good layout.
  • 4 1
 @tacklingdummy: hmm... are you an engineer maybe? Smile
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: he's an orthodontist Wink
  • 3 0
 @JimmyWeir: awwww they are the worst after plastic surgeons. Isn’t it ironic for a plastic surgeon to own a carbon bike? What could be the brand of plastic surgeons? UNNO?
  • 1 0
 @JimmyWeir: @WAKIdesigns: Far from from either.
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: You're kidding ..right. Pedal nob in older single pivot bikes was a real problem. And brake jack is definitely real.. especially in single pivot bikes.
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: "I'm not a dentist I'm an oral engineer."
  • 4 0
 @JimmyWeir: so is my ex
  • 1 1
 Kickback wont be seen on hucks like this. All the bikes are deep into travel, which even for Yeti means 100% anti squat which means no pedal kickback. There is also the hub engagement deadzone that lets the chain have some slack.

Kickback is more prevalent when you are pedaling on rougher terrain, putting the chain under tension, and you are in the region of >100% anti squat.
  • 2 0
 @Dropthedebt: she blows?
  • 1 0
 @BeerGuzlinFool: actually no. Single pivot like Orange five not only has considerable amount of chain growth, but equipped with low volume air shock resembles most suspension designs out there due to nature of shock curve. The main difference is brake jack which is felt mostly in situations where... you shouldn’t be applying brakes anyways. Yes riding one on brake bumps in the parks is a pain. That’s it. I am “blessed” with riding partners who will constantly remind me that when in doubt, shut the brain, shut the mouth and ride.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: lol.. so in other words. You don't get brake jack if you don't use your brakes.. That's not always an option.
  • 1 0
 @BeerGuzlinFool: no lol, you don’t experience brake jack as much when quality of your braking goes up. If someone drags brakes all the time then yeah, they do suffer from brake jack...
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: But.. Properly designed suspension will not cause brake jack in any conditions.
  • 1 0
 @BeerGuzlinFool: every VPP and Horst links, which means 90% of high end MTBs have it dialed. Why are we even talking about this? Smile
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: lol. I can't remember.. lol.
  • 1 0
 @BeerGuzlinFool: m.pinkbike.com/news/waki-leaks-installment-8-mental-side-of-mtb-2014.html
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: a true thesis then...
  • 1 1
 @BeerGuzlinFool: you get it anyway. Your suspension doesn’t like it when you brake hard on rough ground. I can’t really tell the difference. I’ve got a single pivot now and thought it might be an issue but it’s not at all.
  • 4 0
 Best xmas present.
  • 4 1
 The s-works chain ring is dam close to the ground!
  • 3 0
 The front tire have time to rebound 3 times per full travel
  • 3 0
 Thanks PB for all reviews. You picked the right guy to do the hucks.
  • 3 0
 Funny looking tarmac field test, field do not look like that?
  • 3 0
 I'm now scouring the Buy/Sell section for '13 Lightly Used Bikes'
  • 3 0
 i expected way more from this comment section
  • 4 1
 I’d love to see a trust fork hucked to flat and compared with these
  • 1 0
 And dual crown forks
  • 2 0
 Watching all the bikes hucked my only question is how did you like it Jason?
  • 6 0
 There’s definitely worse ways to spend an afternoon!
  • 1 0
 @jasonlucas: jason we appreciate your efforts.
  • 1 0
 The bridge on the pike fork on the guerrilla gravity just smacks the head tube and stops travel about an inch early. Yikes! That’s a pretty serious design flaw.
  • 1 0
 ¡Al corte al corte RATATATATATATATA! Dale cabeza!!!! (Argentinian mechanic words hahahaha)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0T3xDaMYnU

R.I.P engine
  • 1 0
 Downcountry bikes and enduro bikes being bottom out from same mid size kicker, I’m quite surprised that enduro using all travel from that kicker;
  • 1 1
 Notice how even at full compression these bikes retain most of their geometry? Neat huh? Also why long fork travel hardtails are about the dumbest thing to ever come to be in the world of mountain biking.
  • 3 0
 Eh? You’ve clearly never ridden one have you?
  • 1 0
 Late to the party, but... Next year give the footage to Ben Cathro and let him do the overlay thing on it. Would be awesome to compare frame flex that way.
  • 1 0
 That was awesome tup the flex on some of those forks/head tubes is a bit scary tho! Looked like a few of the front wheels went backwards at full compression Eek
  • 1 0
 Does the BB on the Specialized enduro look a lot closer to the ground than any of the other models or is it just me?
  • 1 0
 Pretty impressive to see the derailleur on most of these bikes still hanging on.
  • 2 0
 That ankle must be doing ok if you were willing to do this to it!
  • 6 4
 These are all setup too soft
  • 13 17
flag getsomesy (Dec 25, 2019 at 8:00) (Below Threshold)
 30% front sag is redicous. No one in there right mind runs over 20% front sag, more like 10 - 17%

Also a drop to flat, like a big loading dock would be a much better example because it would be much more repeatible force applied to bikes. The way the rider and bike touch down could also be more closely managed.
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 @getsomesy: Yeah, I agree. 30% is too much for me. I want to be sitting higher in the travel for my fork setting. It might be a good setup for some people, but I'm allergic to fork dive.
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 Did y'all miss the memo? The goal here was to bottom everything out and as it turns out, it's way easier to bottom underinflated suspension.
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 @nation: Didn't get the memo. I think the goal is or should be to see how the frames/forks handle the huck to flat coming close to bottom out or just at bottom out. Going passed bottom out is not how riders will set up their suspension. You can really learn a lot on how the frame/forks handle the impacts.
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 @tacklingdummy: it’s so inconsistent. You can’t draw any conclusions from this at all.
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 @thenotoriousmic: There is enough consistency to draw some conclusions from it. That's fine if you don't see it.
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 @tacklingdummy: ha no there isn’t. He’s hitting a kicker at different speeds on someone’s else’s bike that’s he’s probably only hit one jump on. Landing differently every time on different wheels sometimes even switch footed.
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 @thenotoriousmic: So, I guess while riding trails and jumping, you land perfectly every time, your suspension always is perfectly even, and body position is exactly perfect. Impressive.
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 @tacklingdummy: that’s my point it’s almost impossible to hit something like that consistently so you can’t draw any conclusions from it.
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 Idk why im getting neg proped for saying 30% fork sag is rediculous. Does that mean some of you actually run over 20% fork sag?
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 This is all I wanted for Christmas
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 Anyone else find this oddly therapeutic?
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 Actually, there is a lot of information to gather from it.
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 @tacklingdummy: Would be even better if had less rebound damping or at least see rebound stroke!
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 @tacklingdummy: like what?
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 @thenotoriousmic: Yes. How the frames and forks are reacting.
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 NSFW
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 Thank you pinkbike! Merry Christmas.
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 I don't think the Julianna was not meant to be hucked by a male. It is gender specific bike, not gender neutral bike.
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 It’s essentially the same bike as their Tallboy.
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 @COnovicerider: It is just a joke. #sarcasm.
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 @tacklingdummy: oops. My bad.
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 Whoops double negative
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 The flex on the mondraker! The bike almost stopped travelling forward.
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 Really needed goggles for that one eh?
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 A reminder that frames are more than just their geometry! THAT FLEX.
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 One of my favourite Flex slow motions has to be this humongous step-down.

youtu.be/U8YEMP9rdkI
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 I cant be the only one that realized that he kept riding switchfooted
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 I would love to see this video but with like... late 2000's bikes. Flex city.
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 Good idea
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 The huck to flat has changed my mind about some frames and parts. Bravo PinkBike. Keep em coming.
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 next year you need to get some one with one leg to do huck to flat to much leg in the way to see rear suspension Smile
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 Even though it is probably not the case, most bikes seem undersized for @jasonlucas?
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 Look how short every one of these bikes get at full compression, and yet no one here is mentioning rear axle path?... All of these bikes are shit... All of them...
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 @jasonlucas: what bike hurt you the most in this test?
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 If it's huck to flat we all go around now. Moot video guys, but cool slocam.
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 Which bike actually broke?
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 In the huck to flat only the Pole Stamina broke. The Rocky Mountain Slayer broke during the field test.
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 The pole: „photos taken right before disaster happened“
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 Spesh crank looks very close to the ground, great video thanks
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 Really wish pinkbike had procured another slayer for this
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 Never thought id say I want a specialized....
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 Thats oddly satisfying
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 This would be orgasmic with DH bikes
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 Soooo, 165mm cranks for the Enduro!
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 165mm cranks are better anyway so why not...
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 Did you have a personal favorite? Any sort of "winner" besides all of us?
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 every chain looked whacked
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 ONE of these is NOT like the OTHERS...
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 heat tube/ fork flex and deflection are crazy!
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 1:57 to see the Pole break
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 that's right when i.. uh.. launched my payload.
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 never seen someone switch their forward foot for landing jumps, impressive
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 Is there a bike missing?
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 Awesome video. Where is Santa Cruz? too shy to ask
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 Hiding in Juliana livery.
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 They sent their sexy beast, Juliana!
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 @brianpark: good god damn juliana.
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 That Trek just shrunk
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 Thanks w
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 Vapour lock?
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 They didn't say what happened to the Mini-Honda. Seems to be turning over alright, so prob not catestrophic
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 Äh: Yeehaaw
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 Please refresh our memories on what PSI tires were set at?
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 At the beginning of the video, Pinkbike says all tires were set at 35 psi, but in some slo-mo landings, it looks like some tires are maybe less than 35psi?
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 @RowdyAirTime: yep 35 psi. I was surprised how much they deformed when landing.
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 @RowdyAirTime: thanks. I knew they were all same psi, just couldn't recall specifics. Yeah, pretty impressive how much deformation there was in tires at 35psi. Good stuff!
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 Makes me want to buy tire inserts right away.
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 @JDFF: I run 80 - 100 psi in my bmx and it’s amazing how much give they have even at those pressures.
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 @thenotoriousmic: Wow, even at 80-100psi. I guess if there was not so much give, the landings would be even harder on us...lol
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 @RowdyAirTime: I’ve just started riding bmx again after a few years off so I’ve been filming myself and going through the clip frame by frame to see what I’m doing wrong and it’s surprising how much your fork flexes and how much your tyre deforms even though there’s absolutely no budge from the thumb test. The flex and tyre squirm is so unnerving when you get back on a mountain bike though.
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 Guerrilla Gravity front fender has robbed.
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 God bless us, everyone!
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