Field Test Review: 2023 Nukeproof Giga 297 - Is Parkduro a Thing?

Oct 12, 2023 at 13:42
by Mike Kazimer  

PINKBIKE FIELD TEST REVIEW

Nukeproof Giga 297



Words by Mike Kazimer; photography by Tom Richards


We reviewed the 29” wheeled version of the Giga shortly after it launched back in 2021, but in the years since a mixed-wheel version of the Giga was added to Nukeproof's lineup. Given its 'parkduro' billing (that's Nukeproof's term, not ours), we decided to add it to the mix and see how it fared against an eclectic crop of long travel machines.

In its mixed-wheel guise the Giga has 180mm of travel, which is delivered by a link-driven single pivot suspension layout. The carbon framed bike doesn't have any geometry altering flip chips, but there is a lever at the main pivot that changes the amount of shock progression from 25.5% to 29%.

Giga 297 Details

• Travel: 180mm / 180mm fork
• Mixed wheels
• 63.5° head angle
• 78° seat angle
• 435mm chainstays
• Reach: 475mm (L)
• Sizes: S, M, L
• Weight: 34.6 lb / 15.7 kg
• Price: $6,999 USD
• More info: nukeproof.com

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With a 180mm fork the head angle sits at 63.5-degrees, and the chainstays measure 435mm across all sizes. The reach of our size large test bike was 475mm, a little shorter than some of sprawling bikes like the Chromag Lodown and Nicolai Nucleon 16, but still longer than the Unno Burn.

The Factory version that we tested is priced at $6,999 USD, and comes very well equipped with Fox Factory suspension, Hayes Dominion brakes, a SRAM X0 AXS T-Type drivetrain, and DT Swiss EX 1700 wheels.



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Climbing

The Giga is a comfortable climber, thanks in part to that steep seat tube angle and an overall ride position that doesn't feel too stretched out. It's also not wildly heavy for a bike in this category, at 34.6 pounds with DoubleDown casing tires front and rear – that number makes it the third lightest out of the eight bikes we had on test.

It's not all sunshine and rainbows on the climbs, though. The Giga prefers to sit fairly deep in its travel, and the resulting lower bottom bracket height combined with a set of 170mm cranks means that careful timing is required to avoid smacking pedals on more technical climbs. Luckily the Float X2's climb switch is in a convenient location, and the ride height is improved with increased compression damping.

The Giga doesn't have quite the same level of climbing prowess as the Ibis HD6, but it's much easier to get along with than the lethargic Nicolai Nucleon, and it's quieter than the Trek Slash thanks to the lack of an idler. At the end of the day, while it's still a bike with a clear focus on descending, it doesn't put up much of a fuss when it's time to climb.

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Descending

On the descents, the Giga has a very supple, almost downhill-bike like suspension feel, which makes sense considering its design is based on the Dissent DH bike. That trait makes it a good bike for plowing straight down chunky, more natural tracks. It's also no slouch in the steeps, especially when it comes to carving through turns - the weight of the bike is nicely centered, and the low standover provides plenty of room for making shapes in trickier terrain.

As the Giga goes deeper into its travel it can start to feel a little wallowy, and on the higher speed bike park trails the Giga's suspension didn't feel as consistently supportive as the Commencal SX. The suspension also has a tendency to stiffen slightly under hard braking in the steeps, which isn't necessarily a good or bad thing; it's more of a handling point worth noting than anything else.

Proper suspension setup is especially important on the Giga, due in part to how much travel there is to manage. A fork that's too stiff or a shock that's too soft can make it feel unbalanced, and more of a challenge to handle. Once the right balance is achieved, riders will be rewarded with good small bump sensitivity, and plenty of bottom out resistance for those bigger hits.

The Giga's geometry numbers are well suited to its intentions, and overall it's an easy bike to handle – it doesn't feel super stretched out, but the slack head angle gives it a long enough wheelbase to keep it stable.

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Technical Report

BikeYoke Divine dropper: One of the common complaints at this Field Test was that so many of the bikes came with dropper posts that were too short, especially considering we were testing size large or medium/large bikes. The BikeYoke that comes on the Giga has 185mm of drop, which I'd say is just enough, so I'll give it a pass in the dropper post length department, even if I still think a post with 200mm of drop would be even better.

Hayes Dominion brakes: The Hayes Dominion brakes on the Giga were a favorite of all the testers, thanks to the light lever action and predictable power. There was a bit of rattle from the brake pads that we were never quite able to eliminate. Bending out the pad retainer helped, but on chattery trails the 'tock, tock, tock' of the pads hitting the caliper could still be heard.





Pros

+ Well spec'd for the price
+ Reasonably light considering its intentions
+ Good geometry makes it very manageable


Cons

- 165mm cranks would help on the climbs
- Has a tendency to sit deep in its travel
- Same chainstay length for all sizes










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350 Comments
  • 352 4
 Parking Enduro is actually the future of MTB. Buy a 10k€ bike, drive to to the trailhead parking lot, brag about your bike, go home. What a day.
  • 203 0
 Don't forget to drink an expensive beer and discuss volume spacer preference.
  • 157 0
 I usually only ride the park for about an hour each day. I call it Parkour for short
  • 15 4
 That's not the future, I have been doing that for years! With above mentioned craft IPA in hand.
  • 15 0
 Is Nukeproof going to be around?
  • 24 0
 @chazmann: gotta have that pre-post-ride beer. Bonus points if your bike, Tacoma, and kit color match.
  • 2 1
 @enis: Hardcore.
  • 73 0
 @tomfoolerybackground: I also have a roof top tent and traction boards strapped to the roof rack on the Tacoma just in case I get stuck on the paved parking lot in North Van.
  • 12 0
 Skip the bike park. Just drive your Hilux/Tacoma to the coffee shop and spray to anyone in earshot about your sick whip.
  • 12 0
 @powderhoundbrr: It can get mighty slippery around the dumpsters what with all the spilled beers and whatnot
  • 2 0
 I love it, new category, 'parking enduro'! We have XC, down country, trail, all mountain, enduro, parking enduro, and full-on DH, I'm sure I'm missing a few categories though.
  • 9 0
 @shredddr: That is the question. Even if Sigma let CRC and Wiggle sink hopefully they keep the brands like Nukeproof and Vitus
  • 2 1
 @wyorider: Sounds like you enjoy terrorizing roadies and gravel bros. Coffduro might not catch on.
  • 1 0
 @briain: I think it might be the opposite...
  • 1 0
 @shredddr: true they'll only keep what's profitable
  • 52 4
 @pinkbike can you please please do weights of bikes in KG as well as lbs. you know that metric system that 99% of the world uses now.

Your already using the metric system for the lengths (mm) so why not jump in fully
  • 3 62
flag 49thbiker (Oct 18, 2023 at 19:12) (Below Threshold)
 @enduroNZ: what’s popular isn’t always right.
  • 52 1
 @49thbiker: there is no logical argument for imperial being better than metric
  • 31 0
 @spicysparkes:
Okay bud you need to be careful throwing around big words like ‘logical’ around here eh
  • 3 0
 @shredddr: NO at least in North America
  • 1 0
 @tomfoolerybackground: I see conflict
  • 4 0
 @Ryawesomerpm: e-loungeduro, e.g., a Turbo Levo wedged behind the couch that's too heavy to navigate through the appartment into the outside world. It's a low-wear MTB discipline though.
  • 1 0
 @briain: I don't understand why they don't just move to some EU country?
  • 1 0
 @tomfoolerybackground: uhhhhh, I race road and track. Not sure where you’re coming from on that one……
  • 2 0
 @briain: fkn sigma.. worst share purchase ever.....
  • 1 0
 @wyorider: A continuation of my ham fisted stereotyping. The audience at this theoretical coffee shop may not be as receptive to exposition on tread patterns and spring rate.
  • 1 0
 @enis: do you mean “Parkhour”?
  • 1 0
 @meathooker:

Fair, but I did say "short".....probly shoulda used an apostrophe, my bad
  • 96 1
 While Parkduro is indeed a cringey term, it's exactly the type of bike I'm in the market for.
  • 4 0
 Same
  • 3 0
 Dittoe
  • 11 1
 This is the type of bike I've ridden since 2015 but in 27.5
  • 34 0
 Freeride bike?
We've spent too long fighting for legal freeride places for the term to just be forgotten haha.
  • 19 0
 Isn’t it great that Freeride bikes have made a come back and are better at pedalling
  • 31 9
 I own the bike and it is(was) great, right upon the time when the frame cracked in the isgs tabs area from an impact with the chain guard in a rock. The chain guard didn't break but the frame did and now I have a cracked carbon frame that Hotlines and @Nukeproofinternational don't care or don't want to hear about it. Warranty and/or crash replacement program seems to be optionals at best and biased discriminatory customer service at worst. Now, they seem that they are so affraid that I am going to file a legal complain(which I will, actually, if we don't settle this situation soon, because I cannot and I'm not in the position to fool around with a (former)7k cracked frame bike, I simply can't afford it); so, like I have said, great bike but, be advised, Nukeproof from now **it is not the Nukeproof from a couple of years ago**, when the client was important to them on the long term; now, it seems mostly like a money grab!, take the bike, give us the money and "so long, Silver!", hopefully, you(whoever you are), will never have to deal with them in this manner as, it seems, they look like the "new YT" from yester-years.
  • 6 2
 @eugenux: that sucks, I had a similar experience with santa cruz a few years back, but i talked my way out of crash replacement and into a warranty. as annoying as it was, santa cruz were not the ones that wacked the bash guard on a rock... I was...
  • 9 0
 that's called freeride
  • 10 10
 @Maxwrbike: They don't want even to offer crash replacement, saying that they have no frames available. I am so disappointed it leaves me a sour tatest when I think back at how high I have them placed in my book from a customer point of view.
I have admited, the bike didn't got hit in the chain guard while I was joyriding on the street in front of my house... no, it was a rock and I hit it(unfortunately) but, chain guards have been invented exactly for this reason. Nukeproof simply refuse to deal with my situation/this case, the last mesage I got from their world wide representatives, Hotlines(CRC - chain reaction cycles - ), just sended me back into the loop I started more than 1.5 months ago, when I contacted my LBS and told them what happened; my LBS told me that their hands are tied, if Nukeproof(Hotlines) does not want to deal with the case, or they deal with it by not respecting any law, actual law and the moral one. Ffs, even my LBS's mechanic confirmed in front of the LBS's and country distributor that *most probably*, the crack is a stress crack from the hit I took in the chain guard... and.. nothing still/with no result; Hotlines said they have no frames for crash replacement(and that, even if they did, I wouldn't qualify for it because, it seems the frame must be broken in pieces, in order for them to consider it-be unrideable-) and that, in their view, I don't qualify for a warranty complain.
So now, I have a 7k bike, with a cracked frame by no direct hit/impact, and Nukeproof says that they have no relation and obligation towards me as a customer; the guy from Hotlines, in jest, recommend me to find a guy that's good at repairing carbon frames; so yeah, that's how a customer of Nukeproof is treated in 2023....and what a difference from just 1.5-2 years ago.
  • 34 27
 @eugenux:

Good lord.

So let me get this straight... You broke your bike by crashing part of it into a rock and you expect Nukeproof to take the hit (no pun intended) financially to save you money and get you back riding?

You hitting a rock is absolutley no fault of NP - as your skill of hitting rocks is not a warrantable defect.

Take some responsibility for your self - you can get your own insurance on your bike which would cover this.
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer Nukeproof clearly prioritizes the ability to change the progression. I would appreciate hearing how the change from low to high affects suspension set up and even concern about pedal strike.
  • 4 3
 As someone who had a 180/180mm bike that used it in the park and to race, honestly it is probably the worst of both worlds. Imo if you can swing it, get a dh bike and an “all mtn” bike.
  • 15 4
 @MrRight: so sorry but I don't think you got the facts straight. I didn't crash, I just hit a rock with the underside of my chain-guard and the frame itself cracked. How this is not Nukeproof's responsibility?, not to mention the fact that, even not considering the warranty, they have crash replacement program which they choose not to offer.
You know, it is easy to dismiss my situation saying, "yeah.. you crashed the bike and now you want Nukeproof to take up the bill"; the fact of the matter is, I didn't crash the bike, I just hit my chain-guard on a rock(at not such of great speed and force; the chain-guard didn't broke, having just a **small** dent at the place of the impact) and the frame cracked at the isgs tabs area. How this is not a Nukeproof responsibility at all, thus deciding they don't want to get involved. Ffs, the chain-guard didn't even bend; it was the pressure in the frame that cracked it and that should not have happened, as that area should be more robust then the rest of the bike.
Having said that, I would like to ask you to put yourself in my shoes. I took the plunge on this bike because I liked it and I wanted it really badly. My LBS killed my concerns about a carbon frame telling me Nukeproof will cover my back if something bad will happen(as their collsboration history was flawless... and then this!, no care for the warranty, no crash replacement offer. How is this right?(put yourself in my shoes)
  • 9 1
 @eugenux: Get the frame fixed by a carbon repairer and carry on riding.
  • 10 5
 @chakaping: if this was a second hand frame/bike.. sure. When I purchased a product as *new*, I purchased a product with a warranty and the assurance, from the manufacturer, that in case of any problems, there is a crash replacement program. From where I am standing, I do not seem to "benefit" from either... and that's not ok.
  • 13 2
 @MrRight: if the frame cannot take the impact of the bash guard hitting a rock then it shouldn't have ISG tabs for a bash guard, simples.
  • 6 2
 @Davec85: Its not this simple, any frame would have a limit here. In order to take all the responsibility they would have to design this element to withstand a hit of 130kg bike rider combo at 50km/h, which I doubt ane frame does. And without that you are not sure how fast the guy was going. If for example you crash, the bike flies in the air and than hit a rock would you consider it your fault? Hitting a rock even with a bash guard is kind of a crash, it's your mistake.
  • 12 1
 @lkubica: agreed but rock strikes on bash guards are typically slower speed than 50kph. If the OP hit a rock at 50kph then yeah, his problem, but it doesn't sound like that is the case here. The guard itself should fail before the frame if designed correctly.
  • 4 0
 In my experience all Nukeproof customer service and warranty cases have been handled greatly.
  • 12 0
 @eugenux: So bad that you're having this issue. Nukeproof in the UK are normally very good with warranty replacements and crash replacements. I have multiple friends who have received new frames/chainstays/rear triangles from them in quick time and with little fuss.

I think why you are having a problem now is Nukeproof is an own-brand of WiggleCRC British online retailer owned by German retail company Signa Sports United. They also sell Nukeproof bikes to bike shops through a distributor called Hotlines (owned by WiggleCRC also).

Signa Sports United Shares were worth ~$5.00 a year ago and today they are worth $0.03. Lost more than 99% of its value. The company is in total meltdown. WiggleCRC made a catastrophic loss last year www.cyclingweekly.com/news/wiggle-chain-reaction-cycles-records-pound97m-loss-as-brexit-and-pandemic-fallout-hits

So you're trying to get a replacement frame from a company on the brink of bankruptcy. The Hotlines website went down in the last few days.

www.cyclingnews.com/news/wigglecrc-parent-company-loses-funding

I think you will see in the next few days/weeks an announcement regarding this. Hopefully announcing a buyer (either for the whole Wiggle/CRC company or maybe somebody will buy Nukeproof bikes), or it will fail completely.
  • 3 3
 @gredzzki: until now, everything was great. even when I brought the frame, the issue that appeared has been solved briefly. I am a little shocked about what is happening now and I honestly don't understand it; and instead of explain it to me, they say nothing and keep sending me back to my LBS.. but, the LBS can't do anything if Hotlines(Nukeproof) doesn't accept the warranty claim nor they offer a crash replacement. For me, personally, it changes everything I thought I knew(believed) about this brand.
  • 4 2
 @tom666: wow, that looks pretty grim...for them but, for me as well because, at this point, it seems they'll not care too much about solving my case. (which still makes me disappointed af)
  • 3 3
 @eugenux: >no, it was a rock and I hit it(unfortunately) but, chain guards have been invented exactly for this reason.

Uh...no. the chain guard is here to protect your transmission, not the frame. If your frame break because the bash/chain guard is stronger than the frame it is irrelevant. You just have to avoid hitting stuff.

The crash replacement being refused because they don't have stock is however not a good justification by nukeproof to me. They should just tell you they will replace it once they have one available, even if it is the next gen model as long as the crash replacement as been asked within the warranty period.

Having said that, I wouldn't ride a bike I can't afford to replace. Basically if I had only one bike even if I can afford to spend 7k on a bike now I'd rather buy a 4K ALU bike + a 300€ spare alu hardtail frame that I can build up with the main bike parts in case the frame die. At least I'd have something to ride while I wait for a crash replacement or shop for a new frame.
  • 2 0
 @eugenux: Yeah, not a good situation. You have to hope they find a buyer either for all Wiggle/CRC or at least for Nukeproof. Once they have access to funding again they should be in a position to help you.

Is the frame completely unrideable? If it's just the ISCG tabs that are cracked maybe you can remove the chainguide and continue riding reasonably safely? or is it more major than that? Cracked the BB shell/seattube?
  • 4 1
 @eugenux: dude that actually so ridiculous that they didnt offer crash replacement, and you even bought the bike from a shop! It might be worth submitting a warranty again so you get a different warranty rep, might end up with a different outcome. My shop does this pretty often, sometimes warranty guys are just dicks and you gotta get another
  • 6 8
 The entitled cliche “I was just riding along” vibe is actually gross. No wonder you’re not getting any love from their warranty team. They probably would have moved your emails into their spam folder by this stage.

This disposable consumerism and entitled nature is exactly what is wrong with the bike industry. Driving up waste AND prices.

Take responsibility for your f*ck and fix your frame and stop slagging off nukeproof.

(Also this rock you hit clearly wasn’t made out of radium or plutonium - because then you might have an actual argument for warranty for false advertising)
  • 5 5
 @eugenux: and did nukeproof put this rock on the trail or force you to hit it? Honestly… how can this be their problem.

I’m not suggesting you crashed your bike (as in a stack) I’m suggesting your crashed,banged,boomed,hit your bike into a rock.

Take some responsibility.
  • 3 3
 @eugenux: get a grip dude
  • 8 0
 @eugenux: IMO, this isn't a warranty situation at all, but it IS a crash replacement situation. If NP offers crash replacement to existing customers that bought a bike retail, then they should honor that now. Sux that they say they don't have the frames now but as someone else said, they should offer something, like the next available frame, instead. In the meantime, it'll probably cost less to repair than a crash replacement would anyway. Take the hit and move on.
  • 2 3
 @tom666: no, just the isgs tabs. It can be repaired but, once a repaired frame, it will always be a repaired frame; and if this is a stress crack, next time it will crack at the next week point. That's why I am reluctant to repair it and use it; and, of course, I do believe that it shouldn't have cracked in that place after such a small hit.
  • 3 0
 @eugenux: yep, it’s a huge bummer to have this happen to your bike, but I guarantee according to the legal terms it’s your fault and your responsibility.
  • 5 3
 @FairGoFalcon: well, I guess it is nice to have enough money so that a 7k bike is a disposable item. Not saying that I didn't assumed the fact that I will buy an expensive product but, even so, I'm living in a not so developed country and the average monthly income per person is ~700 euros. Not saying that it represent my monthly income but just wanting to show that in some countries, 7k might be noticeably different than in UK, US and /or other western countries. Maybe if I would earn 3.5 to 5k a month, I'd be less concearned; in my situation though, I cannot afford to be that. In the end, you can judge whatever you want, how you want but, do consider that your vision might not be an exact fit to what other ppl see/experience.
  • 5 3
 @gtill9000: tbh, I started the whole procedure thinking that it will be a crash replacement and I will pay for it. When the guy from Hotline started with the jest and then, so sorry, we don't have a frame to sell you, go find a good carbon repair guy and so long Silver..., only after that I've got annoyed and added into discussion the warranty.
I am still annoyed but, I'll have to see exactly if the legal complain will affect my LBS or it will be redirected towards Hotlines, especially since the new info shared by Tom666 above. I don't want to hurt my LBS as they have been nothing but the best for the last 10-12 years.
  • 1 0
 I am struggling.. what is the difference between a Parkduro bike and an Enduro bike that I use in the park???
  • 3 0
 @Austink: Agreed, when the slayer first came out with 180mm, I was super excited to have the best of both worlds. The minute I took the rental out on the trail, I said there is no way I can pedal this for 30 miles. Ended up with a Canfield the one2, can pedal if needed, but much more of a DH bike.
  • 1 0
 So what is stopping you from putting a wider range cassette on a DH bike?
  • 2 0
 @Austink: Agree. I had long travel bike before, it's useless, it does everything a little worst than my 200mm DH bike, and pedals much worst than 140mm trail bike. It's like a multitool, it can get a job done, but it's not good at anything. If I was riding big terrain and could only have one bike.... oh f*ck don't even want to think about being able to have only one bike ahahahah... anyway, it would be 150 - 160mm tops
  • 1 0
 @KickFlipABike: maybe pedal rides that are longer than 2km Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @KickFlipABike: you can, but the seat will likely be way to far back when the dropper (which you'd also need) is fully extended.
  • 1 0
 @valrock: You surely wouldn't chose a downduro bike for those.
  • 1 0
 @gtill9000: For technical climbing yes, but these downduros are also not really that good techincal climbing in the first place. There are few exceptions with bikes like Geometron/Nicolai and Pole that made the seat tube vertical and the bikes super long which makes them good technical climbers as well as DH capable, but there are additional issues with those bikes being that long.

In fact, pole has dialed back the geo on the Onni which Leo used to win Transmadeira in his class, bringing the wheelbase down to "normal" amounts (Medium of the Stamina/Machine/Vikella used to run at 1300mm, which is longer than some XL models of other bikes).


For sitting and spinning up access trails, a tall enough dropper with a slightly longer stem makes the bike feel just fine. They just don't make them anymore in OEM form. Commencal used to have the Furious which was originally a 27.5 wheel 200/200 bike with dual crown, and if you get on it now it feels just fine pedaling around like an enduro bike.
  • 2 0
 @eugenux: You might take a look at this
www.cyclingelectric.com/news/wiggle-crc-administration-signa-sports-united
Seems like the group is undergoing some serious financial trouble. Some of their branches are refusing returns at the moment.
  • 3 0
 @eugenux: they've gone bust yesterday.
  • 1 1
 @sacalobra: yeah.. I'll have this solved by nukeproof when I will see my neck back.
  • 1 0
 @KickFlipABike: I was referring more to the fact that most DH bikes have really slack actual seat tubes and by the time you extend a dropper, you'll be hanging off the back. Hardly an impossible situation, to be sure, and as long as the actual seat tube is steep enough (and I guess you find a dropper with an external cable) then yeah, I think you could do it - your basic point is a good one: these giant enduro bikes are practically DH bikes already so why not just go all the way?
  • 1 0
 @gtill9000: There is enough geo difference between enduros and dh bikes to make them ride differently. I personally don't like the longer reach with same stack on enduro bikes. DH bikes usually have a taller stack with ordinary reach.
  • 2 0
 @eugenux: 100% your Fault, Nukeproof dont owe you anything, bit poor about the crash replacement though.
  • 1 1
 @HeatedRotor: a bit poor?, well, I hope you never have to be in my situation to find out how much of "a bit poor" a situation like this feels like.
  • 1 2
 @eugenux: What? its a figure of speech for "its a bit poor on nukeproof's part not to offer crash replacement" ..........
Ie i think you should have access to crash replacement regardless.
  • 55 1
 Word of caution- the owners of CRC/Wiggle and Nukeproof seem to be in serious financial trouble right now. Shame as I love my Nukeproof and would def consider this bike. Hopefully it just means some really good sales...

www.cyclingweekly.com/news/wiggle-chain-reaction-cycles-parent-suffers-major-financial-blow-as-euro150m-financing-axed
  • 9 4
 Brexit
  • 6 0
 @CrookedCrank: Doesnt sound good for the bike part of the business. Hopefully they dont just axe it but sell it of to someone who keeps it going.
It also shows how short-sighted large parts of the bike industry are. Seems like half of all companies didn't expect that the insane demand spike during the covid years would result in a saturated market for the following years.
  • 4 0
 @CrookedCrank: When you combine that article with this one, it doesn't paint a pretty picture

www.cyclingweekly.com/news/wiggle-chain-reaction-cycles-records-pound97m-loss-as-brexit-and-pandemic-fallout-hits

Also google "Signa Sports United stock price" and then look at year to date.
  • 1 0
 In a last month I placed 3 different orders from CRC, NONE of them arrived with weird shipping issues and etc... there seems to be total disarray internaly
  • 3 0
 Yes... Doesn't seem like the best time right now to buy a Nukeproof bike when the company might not even exist anymore one or two years down the line. Good luck trying to get a warranty replacement at that point.
  • 1 0
 its cause they ruined their websites
  • 35 1
 Looks pretty great and with the current climate it will likely be 25% off in a week
  • 1 0
 Only if they're sitting on inventory that isn't moving. Do you have an inside line?
  • 8 0
 @CaptainSnappy: they've already had some massive sales here in the UK. I snapped up a Mega with EXT shock with 30% off. £1900.
  • 2 0
 @CaptainSnappy: its almost an annual thing for CRC
  • 1 0
 I got my fast edition 50% off and they went even cheaper about 6 weeks after I bought mine
  • 1 0
 @briain: Same, but that might have been a one off - the o'l pandemic boom bike glut
  • 1 0
 @dgwww: yeah I think your right. Don't think too many brands will be speccing bikes with handmade shocks
  • 1 0
 Turns out to be significantly more off than that! This exact bike was 40% off at Wiggle this morning if you lived in the UK. They sold out fairly quickly.
  • 1 0
 @rmt: I just bought the last Medium elite. Yee haa!
  • 36 3
 it's Downduro, not a parkduro
  • 30 0
 Downduro has usualy dual crown, just call it freeride
  • 15 1
 This is just a big badass mountain bike which is worth having if you've got the right terrain and the skills to ride it.
Otherwise, forget it, a do-it-all modern trail bike can handle almost everything nowadays... and it climbs better Wink
  • 2 0
 @Groscreux: Freeduro
  • 4 0
 Enduro, Park, Super Enduro, Parkduro, Superpark, Downduro, Downpark, Upduro, Freeduro, Freepark, Uppark, Downpark.
  • 2 0
 @thebradjohns: I'm all about Uppark, nothing really compares in 2023
  • 5 0
 @thebradjohns: hear me out: 115mm rear, 180mm fork. Crossduro all the way.
  • 3 0
 @thebradjohns: what about parkcountry and freecross i think those are poised to take over the bike industry in 2024
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: I see you into weird things as well Big Grin
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 @3inchtravel: Is parkcountry riding the bikepark uphill?
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 @rrolly: duel crown of course ?
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 @dkendy1: Jousting on bikes? I'm in! Like 4-Cross, but on Crossduro bikes with the riders holding sticks to knock each other off.
Are you entertained!!!???
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 @rrolly: I see what you did there, and I appreciate it. Edit : Dual. Always entertained.
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 Is just me or is anyone else averse to this $7k pricing?

Not just this model/bike company.

Are there any $2500-$3000 options that can take a pounding and don't suck?
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 No
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 An enduro bike from 2019
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 enter: alu hardtails and £2k worth of balls
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flag BikesBoatsNJeeps (Oct 18, 2023 at 8:54) (Below Threshold)
 Get a job in the industry.
Email any and all vendors you’re inclined to buy from.
Profit.
  • 43 1
 I can appreciate that $7k is getting you a carbon frame, AXS shifting, and Fox Factory suspension.

If you want that price range, there's the Status 140 and 160 that go on sale for $2,250 and Canyon has their Factory sales where you can pick up a Neuron for under $3k.
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 YT Capra Uncaged 10 for 3k (3.5k if you want carbon), can literally be raced at EWS level with very little part swaps.

I don't know that it is the best enduro bike out there, but it is surely one of the best deals.
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 @nickfranko: Thank you
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 Commencal has the Meta TR and Clash for $3k right now with SLX and Fox Performance suspension.
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 Yeah, I know Pinkbike don't like being told they're testing too-expensive bikes, but they really should put their foot down with brands and insist on getting the more affordable models without electric gears.
But to answer your question, here in the UK there are affordable bikes from Vitus (sister brand to NP) and Bird for starters. And Canyon, YT etc. as others have commented.
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 I just paid $3,250 for a new Canfield Lithium. I thought that was a great deal.
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 A lot of stumpjumper? Some good canyon strive? Not to mention a lot of commencal?
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 status
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 A Bird Aeris 9 pretty well spec'd will only be upwards of 3000. Might be hard to get in the states though.
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 Define 'suck'. I think almost every direct to consumer brand has an enduro bike in that price range. Parts won't be as high end (like a ZEB base vs ultimate) and will be a couple pounds heavier, but they'll be the same frame and still take the same beating any of us can probably throw at it. If anything over 35 lbs and anything less than GX AXS and factory/ultimate suspension means 'suck', then no, nothing available
  • 3 1
 Get you a good previous model Trek Slash 8 for $2,500 that will be 99% as good as most of these bikes. I have one that has survived two years of bike park abuse and gnarly rides with only some scuffs and scratches
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 @chakaping: yea, but does the electric gears realistically change the revue? We all know the flaws of eagle SX, the pros of Link guide, ect ect. Look at it as a review of the frame, geo, and kinematics. Then but a frame only, buy the base build or buy a huffy from Walmart. Sure this halo model is expensive, but all that kash bling doesn’t change the actual geo and kenematics.
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 Capra all day.
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 Capra, status, Sommet to name but a few. Plenty of budget shredders that are 80% as good as premium bikes for 40% of the price. There's still bikes to suit all budgets put there.
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 @coolvibz Only if you're willing to take your chances on a used bike. From my experience, about 4-5k USD is the entry point for bikes that are built to take serious abuse. Bikes meant for DH abuse, or "don't suck" as you say, do not come cheap.
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 the Polygon Collossus its a very decently priced mountain bike, i've seen a couple down here in Chile rippin the gnar!!!
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 Over stroke (60mm to 65mm) a Status 160 to a Status 170, maybe undo the mullet setup and throw on a 20mm longer travel fork up front to compensate for geo change. So in the end it will be a 180 to 190/170 full 27.5 for dirt cheap you could probably throw a dual crown on it too. Or just keep the mullet setup and run it as 170/170
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 @chakaping: I'm pretty sure when they spec these bikes the discounts sram gives on axs make it the same price or cheaper for them to spec wireless instead of cable gears
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 @Chief2slo: I agree the wallowly suspension is classic Fox X2. There were version that came with fox coils in the past. But my advice would be to buy the top spec sram, rockshox version
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 I payed $3100 CAD for my Capra Core 1, but I definitely switched out most of the parts.
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 People like reading reviews about top of the range models. What would also be interesting is if they got two different models of the same bike and compared them to see how much of a difference the upgrades make
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 spindrift
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 You can spec a Bird Aeris 9 for around £3k that will definitely take a beating and won't be horrible. Basically it's up to you how much you want to pay and you'll struggle to spec the bike up to £7k, even if you'll go with X0 transmission.
I know it'll probably be more in dollars (though no VAT will offset this a little) and it's for an alloy frame, but there are options, if you'd go for a smaller brand. It's often a gamble, but in case of Bird their warranty and after sales support is the best I've experienced in any field, not only bikes
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 @briain: I'm sure they'll be paying a bit more than for traditional drivetrains (they still buy plenty of those too), but the OE prices will be a small fraction of the aftermarket RRP on electric gears. My comment was more about Pinkbike seeming reluctant to push back on always reviewing these silly expensive bikes.
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 @pooceq: That's what I have. It was between that and the Giga actually. The Bird was reasonably priced, rides well (with a change to the shock it was supplied with) and is very solid without being too heavy or sluggish. It might have been a good fit for this test.
I prefer the looks of the Giga, but I can switch mine from 29 to mullet in a few minutes and I haven't heard reports of cracking (which seems to be a bit of a thing for Nukeproof).
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 @chakaping: Good choice. I went for AM9 under warranty when my Aeris 145 developed a small crack after over 5 years. Ben have offered any alloy frame, including Aeris 9, but I don't regret it, as AM9 felt a little more suitable for my riding. I actually prefer the looks of Bird, especially in raw, but I do understand that their aesthetics are not everyone's cup of tea
If you're new to the Bird, I'd strongly recommend contacting them with any component issues or upgrade you'd like to make. If they carry the stuff you're after, their prices can be really competitive and they helped me save a lot of money when moving from 27.5 to 29
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 @FMHUM: Not concerned about weight or fancy suspension/group sets. Just something that descends well and can take the hits.
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 @pooceq: I'm sure the AM9 is better for most people, the Aeris 9 is on the sturdy side for an enduro bike and can be a bit dull on normal trails. It really came alive in the Alps though - including some "Parkduro" days Big Grin
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 @coolvibz: Then check out Bird, You can spec even Aeris 9 for around $3000 with duty and shipping or pick a sale bike for less than that. All of their bikes can take a hit and punch above what the travel might suggest. Warranty and support is also up there with the best

@chakaping indeed, that was my thinking when choosing AM9, but if I lived anywhere near Alps or even an uplift, I'd definitely go for the 9.
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 Specialized Status???
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 I would like to see any Dartmoor Thunderbird on test. There are a freeride, a super enduro and an enduro version. The price is very good but there are few reviews and no kinematics analysis at all. I think it's a choice, but don't know if they would be able to pay pinkbike any techreview.
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 Doesnt look good for their parent company, too much inventory and the big ownership groups are dropping anchor, which could not be good for nukeproof

www.businesswire.com/news/home/20231016051686/en/SIGNA-Sports-United-N.V.-Announces-the-Termination-of-Unconditional-Equity-Commitment-Letter-by-SIGNA-Holding-GmbH
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 this is really the story.
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 @yakimonti: especially considering that it is very recent within 24 hours on that latest article. This could be why some are reporting poor warranty coverage,
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 @dgwww: "SSU owns the bike brands Nukeproof and Vitus, and the e-commerce retailer CRC/Wiggle. It also operates e-commerce sites in the tennis, outdoor sports and team sports markets. In a recent statement, the company did not say which of its business units would be terminated or "right-sized," although it said its bike business, specifically, has lagged company expectations."
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 @dgwww: "Right-sized" might be the most cynical, dystopian, late capitalist term I've ever heard. "No, we're not laying you off, we're 'right-sizing' your department."
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 @TEAM-ROBOT: I think companies were ruthlessly laying people off in early & mid capitalism as well. IMO regulation is the answer to our current issues.
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 @dgwww: Agree on all points, but I think the idea of painting a pretty picture on top of a layoff with consultant speak is a funny, tragic, and newer development.
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 @dgwww: regulation is only as good as it can be enforced.
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 @adrennan: You're right, we should also increase staff and enforcement at the BBB, SEC, and IRS to pair with new regulations that protect workers and customers. Totally agree. Then we could even (crazy idea) enforce the regulations we already have on the books, like anti-trust law.
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 @TEAM-ROBOT: isn't the bbb effectively just yelp for boomers?
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 I want to add one thing regarding the not growing Chainstays:

Mullet mit 435 Chainstays is only available in Small, Medium and Large.
Full 29" comes with 445mm Chainstays And is available in all sizes. So tecnically, If you want an XL or XXL you need to get the full 29 with longer chainstays anyway.
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 Which you can then put a mullet link (supplied by Nukeproof). I've done it, works wonders for the already very good handling.
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 @jtn1989:
I did that too and am really happy with it. I also prefer the less progressive setting for trail riding, it seems to help with the climbing, and use a coil in the progressive setting for park days.
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 I think that's new this year I have last year's model an XL with the smaller chainstays although I think it would work better with the longer ones
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 @briain: I've run both with an XL and the longer chainstay is much better. Perfect bike imo. Raced it and done me proud at weekends in Wales
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 @Jordmackay: yeah, I'd probably buy the longer swing arm if they sold it
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 @briain: I bought a 29er frame only and added the mullet link, which was available through CRC, and voila. Long chainstay mullet.
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 @powderhoundbrr: Good info. The comments are often more informative than the reviews, but between this and the comments on financial status, this is one of the more egregious instances.
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 @briain: got it earlier this year, but should fit any Giga. Mine is on an XXL frame too.
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 @supercollider: which coil have you put on? Every review raves about the DH levels of rear suspension, but I can't get it right with my X2 and fancy the simplicity of coil
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 @jtn1989: I need the swing arm not the link and nukeproof only sell the 275 swingarm
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 @jtn1989: I have a DHX2, set at 65mm stroke. My X2 is at 60mm. Reminder, I am using the longer chainstay.

Side note: the X2 that came with my frame was wheezing from day one, so I set up a warranty claim with fox. They Replaced it with a 2024 model that addresses the wheezing issues, and I swear it is more supple than the old one, wheezing or no.
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 @supercollider:No issues with clearance with the 65mm stroke? You sir have the ultimate set up. Coil is amazing on this bike, feels like endless travel.
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 @Jordmackay: thanks! No issues so far. Passed the whistler test with flying colors.
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 3 hours in line for 2 runs. Think Henry needs to visit a new bike park. Usually 6-10 laps a day at New England & Eastern CA area bike parks.
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 welcome to whistler
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 Creekside only weekends
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 This is due to the main lift at Whistler being shut down close to the end of the season for construction on its replacement. I do think they could have done a better job on scheduling this to impact the bike park less. It does seem like the bike park is an afterthought sometimes and they don't realize they have one of the best in the world.
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 @blueninja: The realize their global bikepark status, but the $ from skiing makes that the priority. They'd rather have 90% of riders still come to Whistler during a rough transition season, than interrupt the ski season.
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 It was one of those joke things that people do.
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 @blueninja: when should they do it? During the winter? A major replacement like this takes a lot of time.
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 @mfoga: Exactly. Ignoring the question of bike vs ski season for a moment, there’s a specific time of year when construction is relatively straight forward. Then there are other seasons where construction is miserable and more expensive.
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 @mammal: I had heard that whistler makes more $$ from bike park season than ski season. I haven't seen proof of this, but I'm sure that the operating costs of the bike park are much lower than that of the ski area , and the season is much longer, so it could be feasible.
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 "parkduro" as corny as it sounds is nowhere near the cringiest thing in mtb lets be real
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 for real. There are middle-aged men wearing tank tops and Pit Vipers. Or people that think riding MTBs makes them a renegade somehow.
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 @GTscoob: There is a guy who rides our local green trails that are most fireroad/gravel who rocks that look. Full face, tank tops, pit vipers, and a 170mm travel bike.
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 @totaltoads: thats me! But to be fair I’m pretty drunk most of the time so those trails are waaay more intense. And once I got the Pits my sleeves just fell off!
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 @GTscoob: I'd take a tank top over any cheap shite 'technical' fabric that costs an arm and a leg!

Cut off jeans and an old band shirt. BMX had style locked down years ago
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 It’s…..a freeride bike. But with the travel, spec and weight (on actual double casing tires) this seems like a sick option for that type of riding. Not just a “value bike”-straight up compelling.
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 Isn't Nukeproof owned by the same group that owns CRC Wiggle? If so, they just received a vote of non-confidence and withdrawl of funding support from their private equity overlords.

www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2023/10/17/signa-sports-united-says-loss-equity-commitment-unjustified

Vitus might also be on the chopping block.
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 That sucks just bought a Vitus.
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 @KingPooPing: damn weren't they just hitting their stride?
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 @Dogl0rd: For sure. The Escarpe is awesome for any price. Jeez l hope l don't break it anytime soon.
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 Ive been told Nuke/Vitus just laid off their Entire North America staff from HQ here in Utah... If true, I would expect some type of press release shortly?
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 @powfoka:


Nukeproof is an own-brand of WiggleCRC (British online retailer) owned by German retail company Signa Sports United. They also sell Nukeproof bikes to bike shops through a distributor called Hotlines (also owned by WiggleCRC).

Signa Sports United Shares were worth $5.00 a year ago and today they are worth $0.03. Lost more than 99% of its value. The company is in total meltdown with severe liquidity challenges.

WiggleCRC made a catastrophic loss last year www.cyclingweekly.com/news/wiggle-chain-reaction-cycles-records-pound97m-loss-as-brexit-and-pandemic-fallout-hits

Hotlines (WiggleCRC's distribution website) went down in the last few days.

www.cyclingnews.com/news/wigglecrc-parent-company-loses-funding

I think you will see in the next few days/weeks an announcement regarding this. Hopefully announcing a buyer (either for the whole Wiggle/CRC company or maybe somebody will buy Nukeproof / Vitus bikes), or it will fail completely.

Either way, not a great time to buy a Vitus or Nukeproof
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 @powfoka: Geez, I think they just started north american (or at least US) distribution recently here didn't they?
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 @tom666: I don't see how they survive and they wont be the last to go.
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 @BMXrad: yeah, unfortunately it looks like this company is cooked. I wouldn't be buying anything Nukeproof unless it's absolute fire sale prices.
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 @powfoka: I wouldn't hold your breath for a press release. I still don't think Revved/Guerilla Gravity has released anything formal and they're out of business
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 @drbino: announcement today - nukeproof has laid off all USA staff. Unknown what’s next. Not sure about the other brands but certainly a big step back in North American. Total bloodbath.
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 Here I am with a Guerilla Gravity Gnarvana and a Nukeproof Digger in my garage. Sure know how to pick ‘em.
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 @bjrn: You are your own warranty department now
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 Pinkbike needs a reviewer with a short (or average) inseam so they can complain about the too long droppers without travel adjustability to offset the constant complaints of too short droppers.
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flag opignonlibre (Oct 18, 2023 at 14:19) (Below Threshold)
 Is there such a thing as a too long dropper? At worst you don't let it extend fully using your ass.
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 @opignonlibre: yeah there is, had a pnw 200mm post in my 2021 meta am I bought second hand and even shortened to 175mm or whatever the lowest was it was still too long, not to mention it was too long to slam in the frame so it made riding fast and loose more diffucult
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 I have teeny tiny legs and I love a 210mm dropper. Got them totally slammed in two of my bikes.
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 That is a frame issue, not a dropper length issue then.
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 Yep. See people complaining about short droppers all the time, but I know at least 2 people personally who bought a bike that came with a 170 dropper or longer and they've had to swap it out for a shorter one on their own dime. Shorter seat tubes are obviously the way to go, but you can only go so short on long travel bikes because the seat will be in the way of the rear wheel at bottom out.
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 Are these reliable?

Heard quite a few stories of cracked rear ends.

Pivots and bearings aren't the most significant in size.

Trunnion mount one end, bearing the other, how do shocks hold up in these?
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 I had the first dedicated mullet spec one… loved it… cracked the frame around the main pivot ‍♂️… only a tiny crack mind.

Don’t know if they’ve changed the layup since?

Wiggle were ok with warranty if not a bit slow (5 weeks ish) but couldn’t get the same “special edition” colour I had.

So got my money back and got a Spesh Enduro instead. Haven’t looked back since… apart from looks… Maaaan that Giga is a nice looking bike!
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 Their weird sign was supposed be a shoulder shrug emoticon… Doh!
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 A mate cracked a CS on his Mega - nothing silly either. Warrantied super quick tho.
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 Would like to see this compared to the new Slayer for Parkduro Champion.
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 It immediately wins just based on the price difference.
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 As a former Slayer owner, came to say the same.
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 Add in the Spindrift too.
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 That there is an Endowno bike.
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 How about a Free Parking bike?
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 @nozes: It's called a wheelchair
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 I think it's the best-looking bike of the group, but the rear suspension design and the same sized CS length across all sizes really exposes that it's a 'cheap' design. And those choices have real negative effects on the performance of this bike.
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 Crazy that up until like last year, single pivot and same CS length were the norm.
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 @thustlewhumber: ironically, that ghost bike from last (?) years field test which the testers really didnt like had size-dependant cs lenghts Big Grin
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 There is literally nothing wrong with a linkage driven single pivot design... There is so little diffrence between well executed single pivots and multi link bikes that it does not really matter.
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 I put a 170mm dual crown on my 170mm Enduro bike, with reduced height of a dual crown my bike now even climbs better, descents way better. That's how I like my Enduro from now on.
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 Nukeproof Giga factory 297 owner here for 1,5 year. I took me some time to really fall in love with it and get the suspension feeling good for all around riding and yet feel playful. Installed RS super deluxe ultimate coil few weeks ago, feels amazing! Still on the original 170mm cranks felt annoying at first but kinda got used to it, will try shorter ones soon tho. Having ridden the giga on slower techincal trails, racing enduro and downhill, flying on huge jumps on La Fenasosa bike parks. It ticks all the boxes for me. But with that said it needs a experinced rider that to realy shine!
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 I'd secret nd that. It's not just the Giga all nukeproof have low BBs and long cranks as stock. I get way less pedal strikes on the Giga then I did on my 2018 mega
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 Comming from 160 enduro and a 200mm dh bike i bought a 190/180mm Mullet Spindrift AKA Parkduro bike and i can clearly say that this kind of bike exactly hits the spot.
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 Yep me too 190/180. sick bike. slacked it an extra 1 deg and slapped DH casings on also for extra park-duro points. perfect
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 Absolutely love my Giga. It doesn't show it's cards until you let off the brakes and let it breathe. It's a super playful bike for the travel while still being quite comfortable in the steep and chunky stuff. I have only tried it as full 29 but the mullet link is only like $120 so that's an option. Couldn't be much happier with it as a DH-Park-Durr'o or whatever but it pedals well enough that I could see it working well as a daily with a lighter build
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 I would have liked to see the NEW Rocky Mountain Slayer in this test, I'm in this trail/duro/park spectrum and currently own a 2021 Slayer 27.5 custom-made mullet, and so far I like it a lot.
The newest changes for the 2023 Slayer seem to match with today's trends. The seat angle, a lighter carbon frame with storage, and refined kinematics, this is the right category to judge the versatility of this iconic bike.
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 @49thbiker: The best part is they are using lbs while in Canada a country that uses the metric system. I guess it's important to keep these reviews relatable to people in Liberia, Myanmar and the USA
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 I was preparing for the we managed to crack ours in the review, but it appears to have held up.
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 I wouldn't call it byte obsessed, english speaking people have been using mega, giga, tera, peta longer than we've had computers.
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 Yeah I always thought it was WATT related... As a unit of power... Because of nuclear reasons... I guess anything can be interpreted differently though.
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 @haroman666: Its just an abbreviation for units. can be used for watts, units of data, frequency of vibration or oscillation etc.
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 Bring back the dissent 297 frame in alloy please! Was all stoked on building up a frame and they were never in stock. Now they only sell the new version in carbon and only complete bikes- no more frame sets. Damn it man!
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 @The-Spirit-of-Jazz: I'm sensing some dissent here...
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 @The-Spirit-of-Jazz: damn! Killer deal. Think I can deal with a full 29 dh bike for that price!
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 @Struggleteam: I think that price might even be below the customs threshold from UK to US
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 @The-Spirit-of-Jazz: must be a uk only deal? £899 converted to usd is like $1091. Killer deal. However when I switch to US shipping the price changes to $2600 usd. Damn it!
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 @Struggleteam: if you are serious I am sure someone could take delivery in the UK and then ship on to the USA.
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 *well spec'd for the price.... You're a RABID ANTI DENTITE!
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 It´s too bad they did not include the Propain Spindrift in this test. I know it has not been updated for a while (thank God, since it still avoids cable tourism), but it is a very good option for this same use case. Would like to know how it compares. I love mine.
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 I bought a Giga 290 that had been used for 1 summer and have now ridden it for over a year. The bike rips in the terrain of the sea to sky and has proven to be very low maintenance. I had previously preferred nimble lower travel bikes, but the Giga is a quiver killer as far as 1 bike that really can do it all.
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 Had the same rattling issue with my Dominions. I have tried basically everything from bending the retention spring to using the mastic tape but no good results. Few days ago I just used a really small zip tie to tight the retention spring to the retention bolt and voilà: super silent dominions e no more rattling!
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 Short dropper posts should not be a downside. It's personal preference. Personally I prefer a shorter travel dropper so when it's dropped I can rest the saddle on the inside of my leg, same as my downhill bike.

I'm 6'5" and a 170mm post is more than enough.
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 A while ago any linkage driven single pivot, horst link etc bike would come in for criticism for their brake jack with the then patented 4 bar linkage, VPP and Maestro bikes being lauded for their suppleness under braking. Single pivots (orange and Kona aside) largely disappeared for a while and everyone forgot about this debate. Now they're back and the brake jack is simply described as a handling trait neither good nor bad. Were bike mags making too much of an issue of it in the past? Is it a more fundamental flaw with the Giga? Or has something else changed (shock technology, changes in riding style) that mean that its not as big an issue as it once was?
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 Predictable Pinkbike comment on the chainstays. Thanks to this movement I have an XL bike with long chainstays (440) that I dislike. I prefer the previous version of my bike that had the shorter chainstays (430) across all sizes. Feeling like a minority here, sure whatever. My fave trailbike numbers are 510 reach and 430ish chainstay paired with as steep a seat angle as I can find (80 degrees please!). And you all can go blow some goats
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 Climbing ability is the most vague performance attribute, and the most difficult to gauge it seems. I get it, this bike isn't playful and that makes sense, but in my experience, providing reasonable geometry, components play the biggest role in climbing performance.

As an example, a 140mm travel bike with maxgrip DH tires would likely be a less efficient climber than this bike with a maxterra EXO+ or whatever. If the rear travel is controlled even a little bit, why would you not want to climb this all day.... Good geo, reasonable weight.... It's hard to understand the variable that would make you not want to climb it.
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 I've found that a Sentinel (160/150 travel) climbs "better" both on logging roads and climb trails (including technical ones) than a Process 134 (150/134). The suspension is a little more composed, the steeper seat tube makes the front wheel wander less despite the slacker front end, and that seems to make the biggest difference (there's a slight weight advantage, having gone from alloy to carbon, but I'm not noticing any difference that seems related to that). So much about climbing is a matter of rider comfort - the Sentinel is waaaayyyy longer, but I'm finding that I clear technical switchbacks more easily than I did on the Process despite having to take a wider line. I'd attribute that to being comfortable, with less strain in my back (because I don't need to hunch forward to keep the front wheel down), so I've got a bit of power in reserve when I need it.

For an uber-fit XC racer type, what makes a "better" climbing bike is probably a very different story. So yes, in that sense, it's difficult to gauge - but when I make it up my standard lunch loop climb feeling fresher and consistently make it up there a little sooner, it becomes pretty clear cut.
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 @g-42: Good points here for sure. Lets take extreme examples here.

Lets say the bike geometry is identical except for wheel travel.

Bike 1: 120mm travel: Aluminum wheels, Max grip DD tires
Bike 2: 180mm travel: carbon wheels, maxterra Exo+tires

It seems intuitive to think that the 180mm bike would be a worse climber.... but with the use of a climb switch, would it be? I'm not sure.

I'd like to see more blind tests... use some shrouding to cover up anything on the bike the rider could see.. then they have to summarize performance and what they think the bikes geo and travel is.
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 I'm always interested in climbing (and traversing) performance.
If PB are using control tyres, then my experience is that the rear suspension is most important - with geometry and weight also having an influence.
Obviously it's best to have all three in an appropriate area, but most bikes are getting there in geometry now and I'm not gonna be building a 40lb bike.
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 @g-42: The Process bikes were the worst climbers I've had in the last 10 years, if not ever.
I had a 111 (111mm travel), and the Enduro 29 I replaced it with (155mm rear travel) was much, much faster uphill Big Grin
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 Sounds like a good video to be made. In the name of science!
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 Why anyone would sell a size L and bigger with anything other than a 210mm OneUp post is beyond me. The thing has plenty of insertion depth to slam one of those all the way in, and short legged riders can always shim it down to less travel if they need to.
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flag warmerdamj (Oct 18, 2023 at 10:12) (Below Threshold)
 I'm 6' tall, long legs and ride L or XL frames. My droppers are all 150 or 170. I even have a 125 on a less used bike. Why is it that people need such a long post? Seems like a crutch to me as I've never noticed the dif since we were all on 100mm droppers. My long ones are only long because I can't get short ones anymore. Long droppers develop more play too as there is greater stress on it.
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 @warmerdamj: Good for you, not needing a longer dropper probably speaks to good technique. For most of us (unscientifically based on what pretty much every one of my riding partners says), more drop is a preference, and the freedom it allows in how you achieve bike/body separation is desirable.

As a rider well over 200# riding long droppers five-ish days a week, I haven't experienced a whole lot of play developing in my OneUp. Yep, there's some play - but it's not significant in the sense of impacting function or being a distraction when riding.

For a product manager specing bikes, I'd think there's a lot more to be gained by giving people reliable long droppers by default and having the ones who don't like that either not use all that drop or getting their own shorter ones (as there'll be fewer of those people than of the ones that'll truly appreciate the longer drop).
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 @warmerdamj: to me. As soon as I’ve ridden a longer one, I was severely annoyed by going back to a shorter one.
150 was enough. Till i got on a 180.
this was enough till I got on a 210
…..
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 I'm 5'10 and ride a NP Mega in L. The Trans-X 170mm seatpost has about 2cm protruding. Using OneUp's calculator the longest I can fit is a 180mm. So I guess I'm the reason OE's don't fit 200mm.
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 @warmerdamj: I'm 5'10" and have short legs and am considering getting the 240mm one up. I need all the standover I can get which means been able to slam the seat so it doesn't get in my way on steep stuff
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 @qbensis: same here. 210 is a bit more than I need, but going back to a 170, it's way too short.

Getting the seat completely out of the way on steep sections is a huge plus, with no minus attached. As for increased play/wear, these types of issues have definitely not increased with my longer posts.
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 @warmerdamj: jumps, steeps, drops are all better without the seat in the way
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 @rookie100: aren't we talking about road bikes?
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 @warmerdamj: “sounds like a crutch”

You mean a piece of equipment I can buy to instantly make my riding easier and better? How is that not purely a good thing? I would like as many crutches as possible please
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 The only thing good about the OneUp is that it can be slammed. Apart from that, it is a weakass post. The most un-smooth post l have used. Bike Yolk, Fox and SDG (which is a hell of a good post) are all light years better then the OneUp.
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 *And it can be shortened.
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 @warmerdamj: 100% agree with this. Long droppers for most aren't needed and I feel is a cover for bad technique. People think they need 200mm plus but they don't.
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 @KingPooPing: it's not super smooth, but it reliably does the job, doesn't need a lot of maintenance, and is reasonably inexpensive. Hard to argue with as a value for money proposition.
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 @Freakyjon: glad the two of you are here to tell us what we need.
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 I knew this would happen. Manufacturers noticed the popularity of 170mm cranks but missed that it was a fix for a low bb. So now they design for 170 and we have to buy 165 to pedal their bikes....
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 @mattbeer were you still running a Giga with a shorter stroke coil and fork?
Would be interesting to know if those changes fixed the issues mentioned and made the park more of an all-rounder…
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 @jonnycalder I have been spending time on EXT's Aria on my personal bike and overall preferred an air shock on the Giga.
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 @mikekazimer are these reviews the findings of the group or the individual who is the author of the article?
Curious how much they can be cross compared within the field test.
Assuming the former but wanted to check.
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 They're the findings of the group - all four of us spent time on each bike. Opinions varied on some aspects, but in general we ended up agreeing on the main performance points for each bike.
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 @mikekazimer:
Nukeproof clearly prioritizes the ability to change the progression. I would appreciate hearing how the change from low to high affects suspension set up and even concern about pedal strike.
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 @Confluence-Outdoors: i’ve had a frame built up with ohlins up front and a push (came shock) and 165 cranks. Can’t say pedal strike had ever been an issue. The thing is a beast, i’ve put 100,000m vert into it this year with zero issues. Sounds a bit like the X2 isn’t a great fit for the terrain/riders in the review. Mat b seemed have had one with EXT as a personal bike…thought they might contrast the two more?
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 There used to be a StIGMA to Nukeproof bikes ..if you want one Id get a Wiggle on and hope the supply Chain doesnt have problems
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 Nukeproof just went out of business. Calling their phone # mentions that they have ceased USA operations.
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 Their US website also was taken down at some point today. us.nukeproof.com
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 "We'd like to see it come back with a more-sorted suspension feel."

In other words, not single-pivot.
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 what ever happened to "freeride" bikes, got old and the industry is making something "new" to advertise and sell to unknowing dentists?
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 Stick a decent coil on it like an EXT Storia and this becomes any incredible machine. Literal dh machine that you can genuinely pedal up (unlike the commencal)
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 I wish more bikes came stock with Hayes Dominion brakes. Would save me the trouble of selling codes to to buy them myself
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 Chainstay is too short. Buy the 290 and get a mullet link to create the perfect bike.
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 "As mountain bikers we've build up a tolerance against the cringe" what a statement Big Grin
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 Buy a 29er giga live happily ever after
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 Status 160 - definitely parkduro
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 Especially if you over stroke the shock.
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 @vapidoscar: tell me more
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 @DCF: the way I understand it is there are spacers in the shock that can be removed, which increases travel to 174.
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 @mikekazimer: how does it compare with the specialized enduro?
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 I'd Parkduro that.
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 Would be interesting to hear how @mattbeer is getting on with the giga he built?……
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 Can anybody please tell me what that saw-looking tool right up top on that wall is?
Or is it actually just a saw?
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 Its a frame straightener tool. You use it by hooking it curved outwards onto the part you want to straighten, you set the force by putting the hook into one of the teeth (farther from handle = less force) and then you just bend/unbend whatever it is with brute force and some ignorance.
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 @benpinnick: Neat, thanks!
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 "Climbing" = Granny gear and gravel shuttle roads anyway. \m/
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 Isn’t there a flip chip or pivot adjustment on this to alter progressivity?
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 Curious how strong the headtube is? Can you run a triple clamp fork at 190mm of travel with this frame?
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 I hope someone steps up and purchased Nukeproof and Vitus, cool company.
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 I'd imagine it rides nearly the same as an Evil and that's a good thing. However, I would love to see this bike with nearly the same geo scaled down to 150-160mm travel with a 160-170 fork.
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 Isn't that what a Mega would be for?
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 @g-42: Sort of, but I'd like to see this bike in a shorter travel version as it has completely different suspension.
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 ….soon ParkGravDuro. Ugh.
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 "The suspension also has a tendency to stiffen slightly under hard braking in the steeps"


So it suffers from suspension wallowing and brake jack. Call a spade a spade and say it, this bike is "bad".
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 Some of us love high anti rise. For example, deviate bikes tend to get high high praise from this website and they are high anti rise machines.
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 Show me a bike with brake jack and I'll show you a bike I will never own. Dealt with that shit on a kona stinky.. never again.
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 Different strokes buddy. Lots of people seem to love their aurum HSPs, forbidden v1s, deviates, commencial supreme dhs, and more. All these bikes tend to have higher anti rise numbers and reviewed well enough. It really depends on riding style. Personally, I like bikes that maintain or even slacken geometry under hard braking in steeps, it compliments my general riding position more than bikes that tend to remain more active and instead have more weight shift onto the front wheel. I am tall and I'm happy to have my legs pick up a bit of the suspension stiffening in exchange for the other benefits of higher anti rise. From the sounds of things, I'd enjoy this Nukeproof too.
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 @j-t-g: to each their own. That's why we have choices. I prefer suspension that doesn't change under braking. I am able to keep the bike under control through steep and rough sections. And just an FYI I'm 6' 2" ..
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 "Senduro" > Parkduro
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 I thought we were in a buyers market?
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 “Parkduro” is a thing if “downcountry” is a thing.
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 Slopeduro, Parkduro? Either way, the Giga is such a good looking bike. That downtube is sexy.
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 Keen on these but then.....you throw a Chromag into the mix for me. Damn
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 If you ride park on a nukeproof you won't be riding it long ....
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 exactly what i am looking for even 190mm parkduro would be nice
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 Forks look bent forward at the crown/steering tube...
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 Gotta test a Nukeproof on Chernobyl trails surely
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 what about up-country, post-duro and no-hill???
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 Looks nice. Does it have disc brakes?
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 29 is dead
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flag mr-moose (Oct 18, 2023 at 9:01) (Below Threshold)
 It really does appear so. It makes me sad, I don't like mullets. They feel unbalanced to me, but worse it offends my wheel OCD.
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 @mr-moose: I dont think 29 is going anywhere, there are some annoying things to live with on the mullet setup. I really hate not being able to swap front tires to rear.
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flag naptime (Oct 18, 2023 at 10:25) (Below Threshold)
 @mr-moose: 29/27 mullet will feel unbalanced due to 27.5 actually being closer to 27 so a near 2" difference.. 27/26 is fine, only (aboot) 0.9" difference. That an 29 is just shit anyway
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 @mr-moose: its just not true. There's so many pure 29" options available.

Spec. Enduro, Spindrift/Tyee, Megatower, Occam/Rallon, Range, Spire, Jekyll, Ripmo, etc etc.

For me as a tall rider, 29/29" clearly is the preference.
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 @bbachmei: attention all mullet riders: send your barely worn front tires to me, they will be used as perfectly good rear tires
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 @mr-moose: jezuz you guys massively over-react. There's literally hundreds of full 29 bikes (including THIS ONE) available to buy.
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 @Will762: yeah you're right, what a time to be alive!!!
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 Upduro
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 Parkduro has been a thing u clowns.
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 More like Penduro
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 where is Mike Levy?
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