Trek's Roscoe aluminum hardtail has undergone a significant number of updates for 2022, changes that are intended to bring it up to speed with the current crop of modern trail hardtails.
The previous version of the Roscoe was looking a little long in the tooth – it was still rolling on 27.5+ wheels and had a quick release rear dropouts, along with geometry numbers that were on the more XC side of the spectrum.
That's no longer the case, and the new Roscoe has 29” wheels for all but the extra-small size. The fork travel has been increased to 140mm fork, 20mm more than before. That quick release back end has been replaced with a 12 x 148mm thru axle, and, not surprisingly, the geometry is substantially longer and slacker.
There are four new models, the Roscoe 9, 8, and 7. There's also a Roscoe 6 in the lineup that retails for $1,150 USD, but that one uses the old frame, which means it doesn't benefit from any of the updates described here. Given the dramatic growth of mountain biking over the last year or so, it's good to see more well-spec'd hardtails hit the market, especially at these pricepoints. On paper, the new Roscoe looks like it'd be a great stepping-stone into the sport, a solid platform to get new riders hooked. Frame Details
Bad news – the new Roscoe no longer has kickstand mounts on the chainstay. I know, that's a tough pill to swallow. I'll pause for a moment while everyone dries their tears... In all seriousness, the Roscoe's frame has shed some of the details that made it stick out as a more entry-level option rather than one designed for more technical off-road riding.
The aluminum frame has internal cable routing, with a port in the downtube that's used to run a zip tie around the housing to keep it from rattling around. There's room for two water bottles inside the front triangle, and fairly short seat tube lengths that leave plenty of space for running longer travel dropper posts, although all models come with a 150mm dropper. I'm nitpicking, but it'd be nice to see the larger sizes have posts with more drop.
Other details include molded chainslap protection, downtube protection, and compatibility with SRAM's Universal Derailleur hanger. There's also plenty of room for running a 29 x 2.6” rear tire.Geometry
The looks of the Roscoe didn't change too dramatically – after all, there's only so many ways to shape a hardtail frame – but its geometry numbers did undergo a complete overhaul. The head angle now sits at 65-degrees, which is 2.2-degrees slacker than before. It's a number that puts the Roscoe in the do-it-all category, as opposed to the more downhill-oriented hardtails like Kona's Honzo ESD, or Norco's Torrent, which have 63- and 64-degree head angles respectively, and manners that work best at higher speeds or on steeper trails.
As far as reach goes, that number has increased by around 40mm per size – a large frame now has a reach of 470, up from 428mm. The seat tube angle has steepened to go along with that increased front center, and now measures 74.7-degreees on all sizes.
The final number to note is the chainstay length. That's been trimmed down to 430mm, 8mm shorter than before. That number remains the same for all frame sizes.
Builds Roscoe 9 / $2,700 USD
Roscoe 8 / $2,300 USD
Roscoe 7 / $1,700 USD
I feel your pain...
To each his own. I realize this is for the Newbies out there, that don't know any better, but it is still $2700.
Me... Looking over at my hartail that cost $4000..... Shhhh. Maybe they won't notice us if we stay quiet.
Currently looking to add a DoctaHawk to my collection...
I like expensive steel tubes.
And isn’t Trek supposed to be direct to consumer.
Commencal, Nuke Proof, Ragley, Pole, One Hello all offer better specced bikes
Even with the corona gouge this is not worth the money.
I no understand wot you speak.....
And looking back at my last post, I meant to say 2 drivetrain companies supply 98% of the market..
Such an original and blisteringly fun and versatile bike.
The new roscoe looks like heaps of fun, but i'm still not sure it's a valid successor.
The Stache is still around, its just in a bikepacking mode.
The decision to discontinue making it shows, imo, that Trek has lost whatever little "soul" and magic touch it had as a big corporate bike brand.
However, it is very much discontinued...
Concerning the 1120 Trek lists the chainstays at 440, but according to the pics that seems wrong, tire to seattube clearance is similar to what I have on my Stache. Looks like the same frame to me. Salsa also no longer has their Woodsmoke, which is comparable geometry but ugly.
The fun factor is through the roof, assuming your cup of tea isn't all out raw speed. On flowy trails it simply mind blowing. On rocky or jagged stuff, which we also have plenty here, it can get a bit jolting, and you have to sacrifice comfort by pumping the tires up to avoid tearing them (not to mention those shitty Duroc rims)... but still, what an insane bike! Again, such a shame trek backed off the idea, when there is such a fan base.
The woodsmoke is indeed quite parallel, but i've heard it rides quite different and many of them suffered critical carbon cracks. But, in general, i'm 100% convinced the 29+ trend (at 3") has merit, and really am puzzled why we dont see more of them.
However, I don't think 29+ is objectively "better" or suits everyone. Its not the end all and be all. Im a die hard metalhead- i dont mind being a fringe. Heck, i probably prefer being a bit unique- and the Stache is just that. Sure, it has its' quirks, and issues that plage fatty tires such as tire durability, somewhat ping-pongi feel, and rim durability issues (altough trek tried to hit a pretty nice sweet spot). But for all its' small flaws, its just so much fun to ride on such a variety of terrain. I dont expect it to ever become a mainstream bike, im sure neither did Trek, but in the hardtail "community" it definitely gained an enthusiastic following.
I think the nail in the stache coffin is actually the rising sales and market share of ebikes taking away Trek's main attention. In other words, typical big money sellout scenario.
I've ridden the honzo a lot. I liked it, but it's a pretty standard bike. The Stache is a strange contraption with much more "character"- some may like it, some may not. Of all the people who took it out for a spin, i'd say most were smitten, at least a bit. Having said that, the stache is not my main and only bike. Mainly because i do ride aggressively, often in pretty rocky terrain, and that's where it falls short (like all hardtails).
Look, i'm the last person who would try to "convert" you. Much like the Stache, i'm not trying to become mainstream Although i have ridden many plus bikes, and enjoyed most of them, my main bike was always a standard tire one. But, you do have to accept that most of the cons you mentioned (and i agree with most of them) apply to more aggressive riders or on more violent terrain. I was wrong to say beginner/intermediate riders- it's got more to do with the type of riding/trails. Some of THE most experienced riders i know, have a stache in their stable and swear by it (again, even if not as their main bike). For me, the Stache epitomizes the concept of Mountain Biking like no other bike i tried. I got a more aggressive Enduro/Trail bike, and if i'd wanna race i'd take a zippier XC bike, but none come close to the Stache's balance of fun and versatility. Despite some flaws. I've taken it to 100 mile endurance rides, bikepacking excursions, weekly trail rides, and even the occasional trials/jibbing session around the block, and it's as capable and fun in all situations. (check out Cam MacCaul's video riding the stache from a couple years ago. If Cam says its the most fun bike in his garage, you got to admit it's intriguing...)
This is what we call "phoning it in"
If you want to give credit to Kona for doing a good job making the Honzo in the first place, just do that. You don't have to take a dump on Trek in the meantime.
If it is a trail hardtail and isn't 65ha/75sa, it just hasn't been redesigned yet.
1400$ and you get a better spec with a real fork. HTA is only 66d but its cheaper and you could angleset it for 100$ and still have a cheaper/better bike imo.
- How did they discover this mysterious secret?
- Was it smuggled out of a secret location by spies that gave their life?
- Did someone squeal?
- How many decades of testing has it taken for Trek to convince themselves such a concept might actually work?
- How many new QR rear axle standards were proposed before Trek went with 12mm boost axle?
- Was one of them Boost 141.521423? or maybe Boost 142 and 15/19ths?
So many mysteries!
I understand preferences for different head angles, travel, reach, etc. Hell my primary bike has a 67.5 HA with a 130mm fork.
But that meta HT seat tube is terrible. I have short legs, but I am still 6’ tall. I couldn’t ride a large frame from them if I tried.
I don't really find the reach an issue. I've got a -2deg angleset in which did grow my reach a little, but for a long travel hardtail that's only going to grow its reach as it goes through the travel going for mega long reach is probably not going to be ideal for most people. It could stand to be a touch longer but it wasn't/isn't enough to really put me off buying another one or recommending them.
We never asked for more standards. So they inevitably spent money on a waste of time....
DT Swiss hubs also convert really easily.
Does it look like a Honzo? I guess in the "it's an aluminium hardtail and the brace is similar" sense it does. But the headtube area and chainstay are both very different. So all the "Honzo" comments should really just read as, "looks like a hardtail".
From treks website : M - 28.95 lbs / 13.13 kg
There is also no way of seeing in that picture if he's actually on that bike!
Other than that bike looks great. Solid geometry, plenty of sizes.
...but seriously, does SLX/XT depend on market or is Trek simply accounting for supply issues?
XT shifter and SLX derailleur is an awesome "blue collar" combo IMO. I've got two bikes in the garage with XT shifter and SLX derailleur and it's a solid, cheap setup. I'm not so sure you get the same cost : performance benefits with the XT derailleur and SLX shifter
@m47h13u interesting, I wasn't aware of that as "policy" but it totally makes sense. Good chain can really make or break the shifting performance IMO. Running a GX Eagle chain on my hardtail with SLX derailleur, XT shifter, Wolftooth chainring, E13 TRS+ 11speed 9-46 cassette and it performs way better than it did running an 11 speed SLX or even XTR chain. You can get those 11 Speed SLX derailleurs for cheap online, and they're actually available.
The only downside is that they put it in a bubble wrap envelope and it arrived bent and buckled, so he emailed them again and they shipped another one in a box.
other then that - 7 model quite good looking for the $$ comparing to competitors
Ragley Big Al
Norco Fluid HT
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