First Look: Canfield Brothers 27.5 Jedi

Feb 13, 2015 at 14:51
by Mike Kazimer  
The 2015 Canfield Brothers 27.5 Jedi

Last season saw Canfield Brothers release the most refined version of their Jedi downhill bike yet, a 7005 aluminum framed ride with 9” of vertical travel, along with 2” of rearward travel. For 2015, the Jedi returns relatively unchanged, although it's now rolling on 27.5” wheels, and gets a slightly slacker head angle of 62.5°.

The Jedi uses a parallel link configuration for its rear travel, with the stout rear swingarm connected to the front triangle by two aluminum links, the lower of which drives the rear shock. Available as a frame only, Canfield also offers multiple suspension packages, allowing riders to select high end fork and shock offerings from DVO, BOS, RockShox, and Cane Creek.

2015 Canfield Brothers Jedi
• 27.5" wheels
• 9" vertical travel, 2" rearward travel
• 62.5° head angle
• Titanium idler pulley cog
• 150x12mm rear spacing
• Colors: anodized black with six different link color choices
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• Price: $3150 (frame and Cane Creek DB coil)
www.canfieldbrothers.com, @CanfieldBrothers
Geometry
Canfield Jedi 2015 geometry

The 2015 Canfield Brothers 27.5 Jedi
The 2015 Canfield Brothers 27.5 Jedi
The Jedi is also available with Canfield's own AM/DH cranks and Crampon pedals.

Q & A With Chris Canfield


The Jedi underwent a number of changes for 2014, gaining more travel, a slacker head angle, and a longer cockpit. Why the switch to 27.5” wheels for 2015?

At first we didn't want to do it – for basically 15 years the Jedi has been the project - we were at a point where we thought it was done, but then it got to where we realized, “If we don't have a 27.5” wheeled bike by next year we're not going to sell bikes.” As it turned out, riding the bigger wheels ended up being so much fun. It speeds you up, it gives you a higher front axle so you can really charge into the rough stuff. The cornering grip is off the charts – it's a whole new game.
5th Horseman Cypress - Chris Canfield 2015 Canfield Brothers Jedi

Did you have to make many changes to the frame to accommodate the switch to larger wheels?

Well, we did a head angle adjustment, to compensate for the longer fork and the feel of the bigger wheel. And then for the back end it ended up being a 1/2” lift, and back slightly, plus a small modification to the yoke to make sure the clearance was correct. The rest of the frame is the same as 2014.

All Canfield bikes have threaded bottom brackets - what are your thoughts on the growth of the pressfit standard?

When it comes down to it, a threaded shell is $10 more and adds 100 grams to your frame weight, and the factories want to do pressfit so they don't have to warranty a spinning BB. I still don't know why we haven't gone in the opposite direction – why not have a threaded head tube? Can you imagine spinning your headsest in like a bottom bracket? It never gets loose, and when you want to replace them you just spin them out. It's not that big of a problem, but if you've ever pressed a headset into a 1.5” head tube you know it's a pain in the ass.

You mentioned that you felt like with the bigger wheels a rearward axle path isn't quite as necessary due to the improved rollover. What does this mean for the future?

I can see us doing a non-pulley DH bike in the future, mostly because the market doesn't want an idler pulley. It scares them off, they think there's going to be more drag, but after 15 years of riding both styles I can say it's not really that big of a deal. The thing is, a rearward axle path feels awesome. There aren't really many bikes that are rearward anymore. If rearward is done right, with the right geo, it's magical. Not having that chain interaction and chain stretch, combined with that bump blowoff will save you all day long. You can case a 40 foot gap with your rear tire hitting the wall and it'll roll right through, and on the trails it feels like you're hovering all the time. I could see us doing something like an 8” version of the Balance, but that's years away – 2017 or '18 if we ever did it.


Cypress Brutus Gap - Vin Quenneville 2015 Canfield Brothers Jedi
Vin Quenneville, Canfield's director of sales, puts the Jedi to the test on Cypress' iconic Brutus gap. Photo: Colin Cameron

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163 Comments
  • 98 0
 All i can say about canfield. Is they are pioneers.... Rear ward travel is simply the best thing for a dh bike. imagine how your fork follows your slack head angle as you smash into that flat landing off that 15+ jump you over shot.... if your rear wheel followed that same arc you are statistically less likely to swerve hard and eat shite. This is by far one of the best dh bikes made by man. mark my words... talk to anybody who rides one.
  • 30 0
 Limited reduction in wheel base on compression, surprised there is hardly anyone making them atm. Wanted a Jedi for years.
  • 27 1
 jedi suspension simulation: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Df3kmYnOUs
you're welcome!
  • 1 0
 Been wanting one for years, wife wont let me she even bought me a Luke Skywalker for xmass one year Frown
I have to make do with my darkcycles scarab with idler and rearward travel, only design of DH bike I'd have..
  • 4 3
 They are awesome bikes and have more stability through the rough than anything I have ridden, but their one drawback is their cornering. It feels like it wants to stand up and push out of the corner and doesn't follow a line through it as well as other bikes. I've heard they've improved this with the 2014s and 15s though. As with every bike it has it's drawbacks.
  • 7 5
 " it's magical" the Canfield jedi summed up in 3 words.
  • 7 1
 They are fantastic bikes, but I thought the people that pioneered the rearward travel were Balfa on the awesome BB7 Wink
  • 5 13
flag CantClimb (Feb 16, 2015 at 9:40) (Below Threshold)
 Must corner like a Locomotive.
  • 4 3
 Sure rear ward travel is good in the rough , but isn't it the opposite if what you want in a corner ?

Still really really wanna try one of these bikes though , allways high on my wish list.
  • 3 3
 ^thats the trade off, cornering.
  • 8 1
 @batfastard. suggest you get a new wife then !!!!
  • 3 0
 I've heard it corners really well actually, its able to stand up and take a corner and it doesn't compress into it.
  • 5 0
 I find their cornering enhances the ride. You're whipped through the corner crazy fast. It feels awesome to nail a corner with it.
  • 7 0
 Cornering on the new Jedi is insanely awesome, even with 650b. It feels like you are naturally leaning and not forcing the bike to grab and get in/out of the corners. It sets great and holds! If you're scared of the cornering abilities, don't be. You'll be very surprised!
  • 1 3
 Wasn't dissin the jedi, I really meant with rearward axle path designs in general, cornering isn't their strong suit, kinda like a porsche 911.
  • 5 3
 Yeah cos Porsche are famous for that ! Umm , no wait ..
  • 2 2
 @Bigbird old Porsche 911s where known for understearing with All that weight in the back. That's why the old rule with Porsches was slow in fast out of corners.
  • 4 3
 Yeah 25 years ago that was the case
  • 1 4
 Watching the last video at the Canfield's Jedi web page I've noticed how sensetive the rear suspension is and it obsessed me to deep thinkin and analysing.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkIXjJkXle8

The guy slightly pulls up the bike by the saddle, releases it, the rear wheel hits the ground and....the suspension compresses slightly ! WOW!
Further, while he talking, he pushes the bike down obviously with a very small efforts, just "pump-pump" and the rear suspension reacts!
I don't think the guy is unbeleivably powerfull.
Seems like the rear suspension should be compressed under rider's weight consider that suppleness.
But something inside me doubt it...I bet it would not compress too much.
How damn they achieve that !!??? Smile
The frame design gives the travel and wheelpath, but it is the shock that is responsible of the "quality"(behaviour) of it all.
I guess the matter in the shock. There is some "brain" in it.

I've tried to do the same with my bike - no anything even close to that. Frown Pull up, release, hit - no reaction of the suspension, just the hit to the wheel..."bang".
I need to put some effort to make the rear suspension to compress a little.
I'm 85-87kg, the shock installed X-Fusion O2R 200mmx65mm, the travel amount is 180mm.
The sag is about 40% already. It eats travel while it's not as supple as I want it to be.
If to release some air the shock become more supple but then under my weight almost all the travel is compressed. Frown (only not bad for grooves)
If to add some air to reduce the sag, the susp becomes too rigid.
One of the shock mounts has bearings the other - alloy bushings. I doubt that even if to change them to the bearings it will give a noticably more sensitivity.(but I'll do)
Oh, yeah, the shock was used for 1.5 years before, may be needs to be rebuild ?

Would I acheive that sensitivity (or close to it) using the same shock Canfield Jedi uses ?
Or my weight would always need to pump the shock with enough air making the suspension rigid ?
  • 1 1
 The cane creek is a big part of it , the lack of resistance is amazing , sounds like your shock is over damped compression wise if you are getting 40sag yet it doesnt compress at all when dropped
  • 1 0
 There are a few different shocks that will work with that style of suspension. Mine is an Elka stage 5....it's not just the shock, it is the magical technology built into these things!
  • 2 1
 If you really want your Elka to work send it to avalanche. I couldn't believe the difference it made . It changed the Jedi from great to unbelievable.
  • 1 0
 Their bikes are sick, the engagement is effortless. Here is some pinky pressure on the seat.
www.pinkbike.com/video/396825
  • 1 0
 @daynegrant
Oh yeah! Only by the finger!

I want that shock.
Only the problem is the dimensions: need 8"x2.5"
  • 2 1
 @daynegrant GAAH DAAAMN!!! that is incredible. its not just the shock but the linkage itself. thats amazing
  • 3 1
 Not gunna lie i've seen a lot of bikes that will move with one finger like that. my demo does no problem same with my buddies wilson. think the major factor is how light of spring the bike has and shock.
  • 33 0
 totally down with what he said about threaded head tubes. makes so much more sense. i really wish the consortium that governs the EC/ZS standards is going to add threaded options!
  • 1 1
 Well they have developed their own cranks and pedals... maybe the threaded headset is to come?

Although i dont know how it would work in carbon.
  • 8 0
 The same way it does for bottom brackets? Metal insert... it wouldn't actually thread into the carbon fibers.
  • 1 0
 completely get that but was trying to think of how it could be done without having to add the insert... but would probably end up being the cheaper and safer option.
  • 2 0
 They just wouldn't do it without the insert. Same with carbon cranks, just won't happen. Even dropouts in carbon forks/frames (ex--QR in road frames or older MTB stuff) is usually metal.
  • 1 2
 But you can do threaded carbon... however, longevity of the thread would be questionable and would be vulnerable to over-torquing.
  • 1 0
 The headset cups on my last several new bikes weren't pressed or threaded in. It threw me off the first time, I went to press them in (I even have an old headset press) and realized they just lay in there and the whole thing is just tightened down with the cap and the star nut. They've all work fine, and I've had headset issues in the past. What's wrong with that? BTW, I HATE pressfit bottom brackets.
  • 25 0
 The only thing as nice as a Jedi is Canfield's customer service. They could make crap bikes and still be loved because of how well they treat their customers. It just so happens that their bikes are killer in every way. They go above and beyond in making sure your ride is the best you've ever ridden. The perfect ride has been born!
  • 11 0
 Completely agree, i just finished building a yelli screamy (an absolutely awesome bike by the way) and had a few questions so i sent them an email. All within 10 minutes i had received a response and was happily on my way. Hands down the best customer support I've ever had.
  • 6 0
 Seriously, they got back to me within 20 minutes on a Sunday...
  • 2 0
 Just took My new Yelli to Galbraith over the weekend. Never had more fun getting lost. +1 to customer service.
  • 3 0
 Nicest guys in the biz!
  • 21 0
 watch out, empire. the jedi is ready for you.
  • 16 1
 That is fap-worthy material right there.
  • 16 4
 “If we don't have a 27.5” wheeled bike by next year we're not going to sell bikes.” Really? I ride a 27.5 can even I can see that there is still plenty a market for 26"?!
  • 22 2
 This is the never ending argument of the basic demand and supply. People want new shit thus the companies need to deliver. Noone cares if it is right or even working- if there is someone who will buy it the companies need to provide or people will turn to the competition. 26 is not dead. It will be back big time. So I hope anyway...
  • 4 2
 That's a hit to the 26 boys who always whine they would this and that if only it was 26.
  • 12 0
 Canfield is offering a limited 26" Jedi option as well according to their website. You just have to contact them directly. That info is on their online store.
  • 3 1
 One day it will all become so widely available that it will be all the same price- providing the wide choice and fair amount of variety. Until then we will all moan and groan. Just go and ride...
  • 11 2
 try selling a 26 inch wheeled bike... there are no buyers, it strange...
  • 5 1
 Me too. Tried to sell my 26" trail bike the other day and the guy told me he was looking for the newer 27.5 version...

Last time I'm buying a 26 inch bike...sorry guys, just doesn't make sense for me
  • 12 1
 @billybobzia the reason you can sell a 26" wheeled bike, is that people who like 26" wheels all ready have them. Hence why they like them. If you are new to the sport every marketing guy is telling you to go 650B, so that's what you'll probably buy
  • 2 0
 I know my next trailbike is going to be 26" but that's only because there is no 650b option from commencal for a 140mm hardtail, else i would love to give it a try.
  • 2 0
 Chumba Rastro! Sounds like it's exactly what you need!

www.chumbausa.com/rastro
  • 1 0
 Twallywilly, that things looks amazing! Thanks for pointing it out to me!
  • 1 0
 @Wesselized Hell yeah dude, glad I could help!
  • 10 1
 The can field crew is an amazing group of guys. My Jedi brought me up through the ranks in racing very quickly. It was such an amazing feeling to always AIM for the nastiest lines because the rougher the terrain, the faster the Jedi will go. Its nuts. I would pass people through rock gardens like they had their wheels stuck in concrete. Yhe Jedi is Fast fast fast and pedals like a freaking road bike. (I have won enduros on a Jedi)
  • 7 0
 I have both a canfield jedi, and a canfield balance, and I can say for SURE that these bikes inspire confidence. and unless you're really all that fast, and like 1000ths of a second from winning a world cup, do you really think that cornering and all that, blah, blah, blah, makes that much difference? Get a bike you can beat and it comes back begging for more. Worth EVERY PENNY!!!!
  • 9 2
 Great to see another proper metal bike on here for a change. Sick to death of seeing all the bloody plastic ones on here all the bloody time. People who I have spoken to who have owned Canefield love them and have a cult following. Keep up the good work guys it looks awesome.
  • 6 0
 Great to see a company that makes DH frames in size XL that are exactly that: Extra Large!
A reach of 470mm is seriously long. Good news for us tall guys.
Furthermore, I love this bike.
  • 5 1
 62.5 degrees with the bigger wheels... I thought (and yes, this is kind of an old way of thinking, I realize) that in general moving steeper by about a half or even a full degree was better for preserving ride characteristics of a frame across the wheel sizes? Eg., the Specialized enduro: the 650 version is 65.5, the 29" version is 67.5.

Thoughts?
  • 5 0
 Yeah, the wisdom seems to be that 650b steers more like 26" when an extra degree is added to the head angle (or a half-degree) - but looking at things the other way, a B-bike with a 62.5 degree HA should handle like a similar 26" bike with a 62--61.5 degree HA. 61.5 is getting ridiculous, but as far as I can tell the major selling point of a bike like the Jedi is to be something genuinely different than a Demo or a Session, and that difference has to be made somewhere. Besides, the rearward axle path adds 50mm to the chainstays at compression, so the bike probably needs the extra front-center that the slacker HA gives, to balance that out: normally a degree off the HA with a 200mm fork gives about an extra 25mm of front-centre. And then there's the whole can of worms about how the effect of a given amount of fork offset varies as the head angle changes: a slacker HA means a standard amount of offset generates more rake and less trail, which ought to mean the handling gets lighter, and some people say that there's a sort of tipping point where a bike will actually start to handle faster when the head angle gets really slack, though normally that's in the sub-60-degree Magic Land where nobody really understands what goes on handling-wise anyway. This is why I try not to look at geo charts.
  • 2 0
 650b specific forks generally have a larger offset to counter this (more info www.pinkbike.com/news/To-the-Point-Wheel-Diameter-VS-Fork-Offset.html). Would love to ride this and feel it for myself, as I yet to find a Downhill bike that feels 'too slack'. Maybe when reviews contain 'Bike wanders unnervingly in slower/flatter sections' we might be approaching too slack, and people start using angleset headsets to steepen things up. Seems we are not there yet?
  • 2 0
 From experience I've found that once you go lower than 62º (independent of wheelsize) it becomes too slack. I've tried a friends bike with a 57-58º HA and it just felt silly unless you are riding uber steep stuff all the time.
  • 1 0
 @SintraFreeride What bike is that slack? Did it need an angleset to get there?
  • 1 0
 My own bike has a 62º headangle (a specialized status) with a the forks all the way down in the crowns plus a -1.5º angleset and a offset shock bushing. Last year I rode a Scott Gambler without an angleset but with the forks all the way down in the crowns and that gave it a 60º HA. My friends ran a -2º angleset with the forks all the way down giving 58º and if you run a boxxer drop crown then you get it to 57º. This person is now considering running the new larger wheel fork which will undoubtedly bring the HA down even further! Oh and the wheelbase on that Gambler is 1280mm!!! When I manage to find a photo of that bike I'll post it.
  • 2 0
 @thrasher2
Found the photo of the super slack gambler I was on about:
www.pinkbike.com/photo/10206233
  • 4 0
 I LOVE my 26" Jedi. My large frame is a little to big for me though, it mashes over everything but I have to work harder to get her to change direction. Anyone out there wish to trade their Medium frame?
  • 4 0
 I got my Jedi last Friday and mated it with marzocchi suspension. WOW what a fast steed. Loving it! Rode Cypress. Trails were tight, fast, jumpy, steep, rooty, wet. Jedi loved it all.
  • 5 0
 What?!?! Did people hear that?? 2017-2018 a possible 8 inch travel balance, bringing back the Canfield the one!
  • 2 0
 Couldn't help but think the same! Love my One, 26"and all. And my god, does it love corners.
  • 3 0
 WHOA! want!!!! Decisons decisions!!! Either I sell my 2013 FOES or get my 3rd divorce and keep the FOES so my friends can ride something. I'm gonna miss her and those home cooked meals
  • 1 0
 what kind of question is that? keep the FOES aswell as the wife, she can handle another bike.
  • 1 0
 So how much travel does it have? sqrt[(9^2)+(2^2)]? 9.2"? I've actually always wondered if companies measure travel as point to point at the axle or the vertical distance the axle travels or if it's the path of the axle... Anyone have some knowledge on this?
  • 2 0
 From bikes I have measured before, they measure from point to point.
  • 2 0
 I would guess it's the actual path the axle takes , would be nice to know for sure and if it's the same across brands , never really considered it before.

Going on the same kinda theme , I wonder if companies who make frames with adjustable length wheel bases should tell you the travel increase between the two settings ?
  • 2 0
 I'm no engineer but when I looked at designing a full suspension frame I measured my travel vertically from the plane where the axle started to its end plane. I didn't account for the rear wheels arc at all.
  • 2 1
 If you look at most schematics offered in the SPEC sections online, you'll usually get a general sense of how they measure it. But, in order to ascertain a 9 inch travel, and 2 inch rearward travel, you would have to assume a 9 inch vertical travel path, which the virtual parallel links that canfield uses allows for, as well as a directional movement toward the rear of a full 2 inches at maximum travel.
  • 3 0
 Im running the 2015 27.5 and holy shit its fast where my buddy would catch me in the corners on my old bike on the new Jedi im gone ... like holy shit gone
  • 1 0
 HAHA... Awesome to hear Chad!
  • 2 0
 I'd love to give it a go, if only to see how I go at guessing how my bike is going to corner at any given moment as the chainstays continually fluctuate between 422 and 471mm.
  • 11 0
 This bike's cornering is amazing. It whips you around and out of the corner making it feel like your going faster than when you entered. I don't know how it does it, but it corners like mad. As for the growing chainstay length when you land jumps and hit boulders the front and rear tires follow a much closer path in relation to one another than other bikes do. Other bike's length shrink significantly giving you a small wheelbase when compressed. The jedi doesn't nearly as much. The control, tracking, and perdictablity you get from this is on another level. No bike I've been on comes close with the confidence and control that the jedi does. While cruising along completely comfortable you will suddenly have that moment of realization that you are going way faster than you realized. You tell yourself to be careful, then you feel how comfortable you are and the control you have so you speed up more. I love the Jedi! As good as the bike is their customer service equals it, seriously. You get attention no bike bike company will ever give.
  • 3 0
 my shocker has a rearward axle path, and it rails corners. can imagine the jedi feels slightly similar.
  • 6 0
 The rearward travel path closely matches the rearward travel of the front wheel as the forks compress, but you can get a slingshot effect when you steer with the back wheel. Pulling off the bars as you compress into a corner makes the bike more stable as the overall base increases. All of this becomes second nature with the Jedi after a short ride and a couple of jumps. Just get one, Chris and Lance have nailed it.
  • 1 0
 I currently have a v10c but it was only because it was a great price... was just about to put my money down on one of these.

I may just have to get a Jedi this year... they really are a gorgeous bike... and love heavily rearward axle paths (the v10 is similar but not the same as you feel the pedal kickback)

As for the idler thing, they work perfectly, I have balfa bb7 with moden running gear.. it eats the rough stuff better than the v10 ever could (its just heavy as its a 12 year old frame, 19.5kg and opposed to 15kg on the v10)
  • 1 0
 I have a 2012 Jedi and it is definitely the best bike I have ever owned. I mostly ride chunky rocky terrain of places like Phoenix and Boulder city and this bike is amazing for that. The rearward axle path really tames any sharp hits and actually accelerates. I find myself catching up to people in rough sections with ease. It feels super stable at high speeds since the bike elongates as it's in its travel. I also like how it corners again as it elongates in the "meat of the berm" and shoots you out the other end. It is definitely different but in a good way. It floats great and I have never felt bucked on any jumps. Plus if you come up short it's a lot more forgiving. I'm definitely not the most nimble of riders at times and this bike is great for that. On top of all that it has been the most reliable bike I have ever owned...BY FAR! With the over sized enduro bearings it has been virtually maintenance free. I have never had a bike last me three years and have no problems with any of the bearings or frame. It truly is a ride hard put it away wet type of machine which I can't say for any of my other bikes. To me that is one of the most important features.
  • 1 0
 had a 2011 and the 2014, the 2014 was more stable and better on landings but didnt like the take off or transfers from berm to berm, just my take, im not pro, im usually hanging on for dear life....
  • 2 0
 Love to able to upgrade to a Jedi one day but for now my 04 F1 will have to do. BIG FAN of Canfeild - support is also second to none.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/8098143
  • 5 0
 very nice !
  • 1 0
 might regret saying this but how does the idler pulley reduce issues with chain growth exactly? I think i may be having a bit of a brain fart cos I thought I knew this but right now my brain wont process it.
  • 5 0
 The chain goes up from the front ring and over the idler to the back. As the suspension compresses and the rear wheel rises, the idler sits in the right location to act as a pivot for the drivetrain. With the rearward travel path, it is necessary. I have no idea why some would think that there would be any drag or change. There is no difference in the pedal feel and it climbs just fine.
  • 3 0
 I think the idea is that the idler is mounted in the centre of rotation. With most bikes, the distance between crank and cassette increases/decreases as the rear wheel moves through it's travel so the chain can be stretched but with this system that is eliminated
  • 3 1
 Triangulation of the chain path allows for 2 fixed points and therefore allows the 3rd point, the rear axle to travel up and down, getting further away from the BB, but closer to the idler, and vice versa, thus even in full flex, the chain neither grows nor sucks due to the 3 triangulation points with 2 of them being fixed.
  • 1 0
 I've got a 2013 in great shape that belonged to Lance for a short while... Boxxer World Cup. CCDB Coil. Brand new wheels. Just serviced.

Only reason I'm selling is to get a Canfield Yelli Screamy.

Any takers?
  • 3 0
 Is there anywhere you can demo a Jedi?
  • 2 0
 I'd prefer to see someone "Jedi a Demo", but that's just me.
  • 1 0
 East of France, May 15-17. Precise location has to be set.
  • 3 0
 Wish I still had my Jedi Frown
  • 14 0
 you commited one of the greatest sins of a mountain biker, never sell a canfield. and you sold it.
  • 4 0
 Unless you have a new one on the way!
  • 1 2
 no I got too scared riding DH and swapped it for a 2015 enduro Frown
  • 10 0
 Canfields, Corvettes, and Ducatis.... NEVER sell them, even if buying a new model.
  • 2 0
 add balfa bb7's to that list too
  • 2 0
 That's funny, I built my Canfield Jedi to replace my Balfa BB7. I still have both.
  • 5 2
 Looks like a demo but better
  • 3 0
 I am excited to get my DVO jedi, going to have lots of emerald green.
  • 3 0
 Nyson098 u lucky dogger !!!! What a beauty of a bike !!!!!!
  • 3 0
 Oh it's a Canfield?........I'll take it.
  • 4 0
 Take my money!
  • 1 0
 Holy Fack, that drivetrain is whaaaaaack. Rhymin'. Wink

Gimme a gearbox ya bitch cvnts.
  • 2 0
 Dank
  • 2 0
 nom nom
  • 2 1
 Why a 27.5" bike again................................
  • 4 2
 Agreed. Why are so many people buying into this? I'm fine with it as long as I can still get parts for all my 26's.
  • 4 3
 Because it's faster ?
  • 4 6
 If you run 26" wheels with 2.7" wide tires the sidewall height runs the same diameter as a standard size 27.5 tire. But that will increase the outer weight off the wheel which does gain overall momentum. Its just heavy and slow to start rolling. You gain nothing switching to 27.5 except for acceleration because 27.5s reduce tire weight (smaller sidewall) which reduces the outer diameter mass. I you want overall faster speed increase outer mass (rim&tire). If you want quick acceleration increase central mass (hub). 27.5s are pointless for downhill. The fastest across the start line doesn't necessarily win races. That whole E-thirteen article awhile back proved all of this with actual physics not sales marketing.
  • 3 7
flag jaydawg69 FL (Feb 16, 2015 at 11:37) (Below Threshold)
 there is no such thing as 27.5... it's 650b. Please stop.
  • 3 1
 Jaydawg... don't be mad cuz we merikinize it!
  • 1 2
 stupid is as stupid does.
  • 6 1
 Wheel size doesn't matter how on a Jedi. It would kick ass no matter what size wheels you put on it.
  • 2 1
 so tbagtantalizer, you are only talking about the wheel size, you would still need a frame meant to fit 27.5 inch wheels for those tires to work. E-thirteen proved a few things with the article, but run a 27.5 inch wheel with a heavier hub, and you will go faster, I am converting to the 27.5 jedi, after I was riding at 2010 transition bottlerocket, its going to be a completely different bike. So far anyone who has ridden a 27.5 has loved it, They always say don't knock it till you try it, So go ride a 27.5 before whining about it.
  • 2 2
 its not 27.5... its pretty much 27... hence why only 650b is accurate
  • 3 0
 anyone who says 27.5" has no credibility.
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 Anyone who worries so vehemently about the lexicon and tech-speak of an industry has lost the true reason they got into it in the first place, ride your bike and be happy.
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 agreed, You don't ride for size, or anything specific, you ride for the fun of it, who cares what you are riding.
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 I am confused with the whole 650 b is only 27".
I just set up my wheels with continental trail kings and they measure over 28" high..am I missing something.
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 Nyson098, I'm talking about making a 26 have a 27.5 diameter. Many 26 DH bikes have enough spacing to fit 26" 2.7s or else they wouldn't have ever made that tire size. I have the lowest of low end DH bikes, an airborne taka, and I can fit them fine. Its mostly the fork you have to worry about. In summary if a 26" bike can fit 2.7" tires they can fit 27.5/650b with a tire no wider than 2.35. The overall diameter doesn't change and could run either rim size. 650b "specific" bikes are pointless. And I do own a 27.5 trail bike and finding out the fact I've been essentially running a 27.5 with my 26er is proof they are pointless. The only change designers need is frame spacing allowing larger tires.
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 Wow. A difference in form of measurement. 27.5 vs 650b is the same as Tire vs Tyre.
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 It's actually about half inch difference but 27.5 is just plain and simple wrong. It's like saying Pi is 3.
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 Well, technically... pi is closer to 2...
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 HOW IS 3.14159 CLOSER TO 2?
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 Sorry, brainfart, lol.
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 An inch difference in wheel size is not going to make you faster. It may shave valuable fractions of a second from a world cup run with a world cup rider, but it does nothing for you. ...except drain your bank account to buy what you think is better just because it's new. Want to be faster? Just ride your bike.
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 No. An inch difference is not going to make a big difference to the average rider but if it's time to replace an old bike you might as well go with the new standard.
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 No thanks. As long as there are still normal-sized 26" products available, I will continue to run the real stuff. Thank you Chris and Lance for not shutting the door on us.
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 Would VPP linkage be considered similar in the fact that its chainstay also lengthens as the rear shock is compressed?
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 yes this is a type of VPP
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 In a VPP design the links rotate in opposite directions. DW link bikes have links that rotate the same way. If anything this is closer to a DW but with very different suspension kinematics. Chainstay growth can be designed into any type of suspension system.
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 WOW!!! That's some serious eye candy!
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 Where is the stack geometry? need that please
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 I just sold my Jedi... Frown

Time for a new one. :p
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 It doesn't look anything like a mf session.
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 We need a review of one
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 May the force with us!!!
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 Making it slacker with the bigger wheels........makes no sense......
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