First Ride: 2021 Santa Cruz 5010 - Get Jibby With It

Jun 10, 2020 at 18:28
by Mike Kazimer  

The original Santa Cruz 5010 debuted in 2013, accompanied by a video of Steve Peat pedalling away in the hills of Scotland. Back then it was touted as a bike for backcountry adventures, a quick, snappy machine for those all-day missions. In the years since it's morphed into something a little different, in part due to the antics of riders like Josh 'Loosedog' Lewis.

The fourth generation is now aimed more at riders who regularly find themselves searching for bonus doubles and little trailside features to goof around on rather than trying to snag KOMs or crush the local enduro race series.

Santa Cruz 5010 Details

• Wheelsize: 27.5"
• Carbon C or CC frame
• Travel: 130mm (r) / 140mm fork
• 65.4 or 65.7-degree head angle
• 429mm chainstays (size L)
• Colors: Loosely Blue, Raspberry Sorbet
• Price: $4,099 - $8,099 USD
santacruzbikes.com

The 5010 still has 130mm of travel and 27.5” wheels, but rather than having the shock fixed to the underside of the top tube the new version uses a lower link driven VPP suspension layout. It's the same design that's found on every full suspension bike in Santa Cruz's lineup, with the exception of the Blur. All the complete bikes are spec'd with an air shock, but it's entirely possible to run a coil shock.

2021 Santa Cruz 5010

Along with the new frame design, the 5010 also underwent the expected longer and slacker treatment, and the chainstay lengths now vary depending on frame size. There are five sizes, from XS up to XL, with Loosely Blue or Raspberry Sorbet as the color options. The Juliana Furtado is the women's version, which shares the same frame but gets a women's specfic seat and different grips than the 5010. That model is available in sizes XS – M.

At the moment the 5010 is only available with a carbon C or CC frame. Complete bikes starting at $4,099 and going all the way up to $8,099 USD for the version shown here, which has a SRAM X01 drivetrain with an Eagle 52 cassette, Reserve carbon wheels, SRAM G2 brakes, and Maxxis Minion DHR II tires.


2021 Santa Cruz 5010

Frame Details

One new feature on the 5010 is SRAM's universal derailleur hanger. The design's not that different from what Santa Cruz used in the past, but with the UDH the idea is that shops, even ones that aren't Santa Cruz dealers, will have an inexpensive replacement available in a pinch.

The 5010 has internal cable routing, downtube protection in two spots to protect the frame from flying rocks and shuttle rub, and a ribbed chainstay protector to keep chainslap noise to a minimum. There's also a threaded bottom bracket, a feature that's been in place ever since the original version.

The 5010 is spec'd with 2.4" tires front and rear, but there's enough clearance to run up to a 2.6" width if you're a fan of extra meaty tires.


2021 Santa Cruz 5010


Geometry

It'll be strange the day when a new bike comes out that isn't longer and slacker than its predecessor... We're not there yet, and the new 5010 has a slightly slacker head angle than before at 65.4-degrees with a 140mm fork. The reach has increased by 15 millimeters on the size large, and now measures 472mm in the low geometry setting. There's a steeper seat tube angle of 77.2 degrees to accompany that longer reach, which means that the top tube length is actually 5mm shorter than before.

The chainstay length now increases by 3mm per size. In keeping with the bike's intended nature they're still relatively short, even on the largest frame size, but it's nice to see another company heading down the proportional chainstay length route.


2021 Santa Cruz 5010


Suspension Design

Santa Cruz like to keep their suspension numbers close to their chest, which means I don't have any fancy graphs to include in this article. However, Dan Roberts' analysis of the Megatower is a good place to start for more insight into how the lower link driven VPP suspension layout works.

The main difference between the kinematics of the new vs. old 5010 is the shape of the leverage ratio curve. Previously it had a slight hump in the curve where the leverage ratio increased before decreasing. On the new model, that curve is now a diagonal line without any sudden dips or dives. That should mean that the suspension ramps up smoothly through its travel, with a consistent feel from beginning to end.

2021 Santa Cruz 5010
The 5010 in Raspberry Sorbet...

2021 Juliana Furtado
...and the Juliana Furtado in Spicy Redwood Photo: Jason Thomas

Build Kits & Pricing
2021 Santa Cruz 5010

2021 Santa Cruz 5010


2021 Santa Cruz 5010
Mitch Ropelato looks better on a bike than I do. And his choice of footwear is perfect.

Ride Impressions

I have a couple of rides in on the 5010 so far, and despite the geometry and suspension changes its playful nature still shines through. Yes, it's longer and slacker than before, but that short back end and smaller wheels do make it easy to manual, pump, and jump.

I will say it doesn't quite have the same level of snappiness as its predecessors – some of that sharpness had been dulled a bit, but that does make it feel better in rougher terrain. It's become more versatile, even though the amount of travel hasn't increased. It's essentially a Hightower with smaller wheels and a little less travel, and for some riders that's going to be exactly what they've been looking for.

Sarah Moore is going to be putting a Furtado through its paces over the next few months – stay tuned for a long term review later this summer.









384 Comments

  • 210 35
 Looks like a Bronson like a Hightower like a Megatower like a Tallboy like a Nomad.
  • 88 22
 Should it look different? I mean they are all Santa Cruz bikes...
  • 91 18
 OK? Just like all specializeds share the same design principles, all treks, all pivots, all knollys, all Intenses, pretty much every brand has their own design ethos that they use on every bike. So do car companies. And motorbikes. And technology.

I'm starting to think brands want their stuff to stand out as theirs...
  • 4 1
 LMAO
  • 41 5
 @inked-up-metalhead: Santa Cruz has a special affinity for REALLY making them look identical. Other brands generally you can tell one model to the next at first glance. Pivot for example as you mentioned; they all use DW-link and have a similar design but they can vary quiet a bit in their look. Put a Switchblade, Mach 5.5, Mach 6 and Firebird side-by-side and you immediately know which is which. Can't say the same with a 5010, Hightower, etc.
  • 4 6
 At last! - a return to the squatting dog aesthetic of the original Nomad!
  • 5 13
flag Dustfarter (Jun 16, 2020 at 6:20) (Below Threshold)
 and like a specialized enduro Smile
  • 6 1
 Call a Santa Cruz a Santa Cruz
  • 32 1
 It isn't the color of a Toyota Tacoma. I'm having a hard time recognizing it as a Santa Cruz.
  • 27 1
 line up all the evils and see if you can tell them apart from 20 feet!
  • 18 0
 I think it was a joke people..
  • 4 0
 @garrettstories: I once had raspberry sorbet that looked like santa cruz sorbet... Smile
  • 6 1
 @twonsarelli: The newest Following is the only one I can recognize. I can't identify the other Evil bikes no matter how close I get to them lol!
  • 4 4
 Nice troll comment.
  • 1 0
 @WalrusRider: yes good point, i forgot about that. it's got a little sharpness to it and looks quite good
  • 8 3
 @inked-up-metalhead: epic, stumpjumper and enduro look nothing alike and have different suspension designs. Nothing like the copy and paste formatting of Santa Cruz.
  • 19 21
 What demographic is the bike shooting for, realistically? An independently wealthy "jibber"? How many 20-something privateer bike park dudes can afford an $8,000 bicycle? All this categorization, especially with SC bikes, seems pure marketing to me -- a way to justify their increasingly similar lineup.
  • 3 0
 @nbrewste: bit.ly/2URLrBM at least you get to use it more than once.
  • 7 0
 @nbrewste:
Anyone in a major market city can justify it easier. In Seymour Indiana where you pay $300/month rent vs San Francisco where u pay $3000/mo.
1.5months rent for a bike or 15months rent...
  • 3 0
 NoItsMegaTallHighBro
  • 2 0
 @nbrewste: I didnt think of it that way but you are pretty spot on. Any shredder living out of his car and ripping a fancy bike is def not ripping a little short travel bike like this usually. Its usually an Aluminum Patrol or something like that.
  • 15 2
 @nbrewste: I hit peak riding skill and endurance at age 40 and still love to play the trail. I also worked at building career and salary growth along the way. I'd say this bike is aimed at me, but unfortunately VPP. I'm not a dentist, but did play one on television. Trails don't cease to be fun once you hit 30.
  • 3 0
 @nbrewste: there are plenty of people who like a fun bike that can climb and descend well. Price is not off from the price ranges of other manufacturers. Don’t buy one if a bike like that isn’t what you’re looking for. Any time a great bike gets improved, the comments on this site would make it sound like the sky is falling
  • 2 1
 @yupstate: but why is this an issue for you?
  • 4 0
 @CircusMaximus: Didn't seem like he said it was an "issue." Looks like he was just pointing out the fact that their bikes truly are identical, vs other brands you can tell them apart (for the most part.). Some people probably prefer their bike to stand out above the rest. Comes down to personal preference...
  • 5 1
 @stumphumper92: that isn’t what the person I replied to said at all. It was a comment that the bike has an intended demographic that can’t afford it. I was saying that it’s a rad bike and that there are lots and lots (and lots) of adults that work career jobs and can afford it AND like to shred...and climb with efficiency...and like to descend trails other than loamers.
  • 4 3
 I need a field guide to SC bikes so I can tell them apart.
  • 3 0
 Said to my buddy the other day “Nice bike - Megatower?” He says, “No, Tallboy!” Oh well I only missed it by two in the lineup. It looked beefier than any Hightower to me.
  • 8 0
 @Jparker164: Totally - floppy hats, binoculars, and the Guide to Western Mountain Bicycles, 7th Edition -updated with Mixed-Wheeled Varieties.
  • 3 0
 I have a tough time telling them apart at a quick glance. Not a bad thing, if its a good design than nothing wrong with staying with something that works.
  • 9 1
 @Svinyard: As a 28 year old lawyer from San Francisco who loves to shred and is probably the main market for this bike, I love my aluminum Patrol.
  • 3 0
 @mtb-sf: Exactly. That's the PNW bro-bike, its a nice ride and takes a beating on the back of the truck. This SC bike is a bit too short travel to work for young guns going hard, shuttling rough stuff...hell my 2nd grader bottoms out more travel than this on any given weekend. Its a great bike tho...but seems like its more for the less aggressive crowd who isn't jibbing down the trail sideways.
  • 1 0
 nah looks like a session
  • 1 0
 @mtb-sf: Tilden Park, though? Maybe on a road bike.
  • 1 0
 @nbrewste: then i guess I'll buy the $4,099 version?
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Santa Cruz
  • 2 1
 @Mattntp: but they aren’t making the same amount so the % of income spent on rent is still equivalent. People are fundamentally bad with money and have next to no savings. Look at the impact of Covid on savings and people losing their jobs. Google average savings of an American and be stocked that most people would have to buy an 8k bike on credit because they don’t have 8k in the bank.
  • 2 1
 @Svinyard its not about the travel, its how you use it Smile stiffen that kids bike up!!!! he/she will go way faster and progress way more......
  • 2 0
 @rockymountainsrule: It's fine and he's progressing fine. Its just when he lands too deep, drops 10ft to near flat...it bottoms out appropriately just like an adult would. When I stiffen it up, he gets the rough ride and it doesn't track...it's all tuned correctly. Little 24" slam into everything.
  • 1 1
 @Svinyard: I don’t know. Have you seen Kelend Hawks ride? That dude goes bigger on a 130mm trail bike than most of us on a DH bike. A lot of guys are going big on short-travel bikes these days. Definitely about the rider and not the bike.
  • 2 0
 @Hayek: oh yeah, I'm not saying its not done by any means. Ratboy proved that along with all the other 5010 guys...but those are usually sponsored dudes who have a stable of 5k$ bikes. If they could only have one fancy bike, like most of us...the 5010 isnt the first choice for guys sending it big. Its usually something like a Patrol, they can send it in the park...shuttle it hard and itll do a little of everything. It seems like the masses that buy a fancy 5010 are fairly mellow riders and pedal a lot.
  • 2 0
 @Svinyard: I get ya. Totally true.
  • 1 0
 @CircusMaximus: What @stumphumper92 said is partially correct; I didn't really say its an issue for me. But being honest (for better or worse) when I'm in the market for my next bike, it is a turn-off for me if it doesn't have a somewhat unique look. Not looking for anything wild, but at least something that sets it apart. Call it vanity if you want but if I'm spending $6000+ on a bike I want it to look sweet!
  • 1 0
 @yupstate: I’m on the flipside of that coin, I absolutely don’t care what it looks like. I’m only worried about how it rides.
  • 2 0
 @yupstate: fair enough. Subjective like everything else, I suppose. Cheers
  • 98 2
 Okay, that's just the perfect release video. So good.
  • 35 1
 A video about a 5010, and it's 5 minutes 10 seconds long. Is it too much to hope Kaz is also 5' 10" ?
  • 25 0
 @ItsOnlyJayke: and five ten shoes.
  • 12 0
 @chyu: And, he does the entire review SOlO. What is going on here?
  • 80 1
 This, new Transition Scout, Bird Aether 7, Ibis, all releasing really good 27.5 bikes with great geo. Still a lot of life left in this wheel size. Just the kind of bike I personally like, suits my local trails perfectly. More please! (I’m no 29r hater either, just like the smaller wheel).
  • 31 0
 Agreed. Not everyone wants longer, slacker, more travel etc..... We don't all live in BC or the Alps.
  • 5 0
 Really really looking forward to taking delivery of an Aether 7. Being built as we speak, the wait is torture.
  • 9 0
 I've been waiting for this! I'm a hobbit and riding 29ers has always felt like hard work... Particularly the brown stripe up my arse from buzzing the tyre... Fun bikes are fun!
  • 12 0
 Its just like skiing--people buy the skis for the conditions they hope to have, not the ones they normally do.
  • 9 0
 @milestogo: yeah but for skiing it makes sense: you can have a big storms and decent pow on any mountain.

Now you can't have suddenly a 8000ft mountain with awesome rocky trails that grows on your 600ft flattish hill
  • 8 0
 @blitz66: I'm 6'3" and prefer poppy, playful 27.5 wheels over 29er bikes. Hobbits and Ents rejoice!
  • 2 0
 So true! I hope Orange also bring out something to replace the Four!
  • 3 0
 Jibcountry ftw!
  • 2 0
 @zede: I think you'll find that's not exactly true in Australia. Hahaha.

Last Winter we had 3.5 pow days (all in a row) ALL SEASON.
... Far too many people still own wide skis.
  • 2 0
 @lewiscraik: I’m looking forward to seeing the new file cabinet Wink It will go nicely with my new office furniture
  • 2 1
 @zede: I disagree. In Bend Oregon when the snow melts we gain a 9000 foot mountain. The rest of the year it's pretty flat.
  • 2 0
 Follow me on this one. Currently riding a 29” Strive but thinking about switching to a 27.5 rig then putting 29 wheels and forks into it. Frame must be with super low bb, maybe some offset bushing hardware to lower it a tad more.
27.5 and 29 both has their places, in my opinion it is mainly split by rider height/ leg length.
  • 4 0
 Totally agree! I believed the hype and have been riding an XL 29er with massive tires, for the most part it's like a barge travelling through glue, I can't wait to size down and get back to 27.5. Although I wish they would sell the C frames not just CC.
  • 2 0
 I just bought a 5010 (last version) and I'm coming from a Transition Scout. They're way different bikes. The 5010 climbs and pedals better, it's more snappy, and generally more fun. The new 5010 model is more like what I was trying to get away from.
  • 43 3
 I actually wish they hadn't done the longer lower slacker thing on this. Normally I'm a huge fan 80 degree seat tube kinda person, but having a bike that is only meant to be fun, manual jump, and 50 01 sort of riding seems like the better choice here. They made it more capable, but it's not meant to be a capable mountain bike, more like a big slope bike.
  • 12 5
 They’ve hardly done the longer/lower/slacker. Its very incremental like specialized etc.

Its still, geo wise, more conservative than other bikes from 2018 from brands like yeti, transition, kona, nukeproof, evil, etc
  • 3 1
 And i find in Geo chart that in M size WB is longer with high setting than in low.
Kinda strage?
  • 20 3
 That would be great if everybody rode these things like the 50:01 guys. But you’re average Santa Cruz rider won’t.
  • 3 1
 Exactly my thoughts...same happened to transition's scout. Manufacturers will need to release new models at that end of the spectrum soon.
  • 6 1
 @Richt2000: , Evil? I kept (moved on) waiting for an updated steeper seat tube angle version on the Insurgent for so long....
Agree with you on the others though, and the 5010 vs the Calling would be a fun test read
  • 15 8
 @Numnum2000: so true. Probably drive an Audi Q5 and have a fashionable ‘trail dog’
  • 4 0
 That ST angle figure is kinda hard to believe looking at the picture with the saddle at full height. Looks like you'll end up with your butt over the rear axle.
  • 6 0
 @Numnum2000: Yeah, it's a great big world outside of Pinkbike.
  • 20 1
 @Numnum2000: name me a bike brand where the average owner is killing like the pros that the same brand sponsors? I'll wait.
  • 9 20
flag Alcan (Jun 16, 2020 at 5:07) (Below Threshold)
 @Numnum2000: can’t upvote enough! Santa Cruz has become what the Honda Civic became after the fast and furious movie was released. Great bikes and all but I’ll keep my comments to myself about the clientele.
  • 28 5
 @Alcan: Totally agree bro-chacho. So non enduro, they probably wear full length sleeves and still clip in. Good on you for not allowing them in your “studio apartment” in your parents basement. Also so cool that your sponsors don’t mind you posting on Pink Bike. Sick lyf dawwwwg!
  • 9 13
flag Tigergoosebumps (Jun 16, 2020 at 6:01) (Below Threshold)
 @Tombola27: audi =a__hole usually drives it
  • 8 1
 @Numnum2000: The average Santa Cruz rider doesn't ride a 5010. That's kind of the point.
  • 3 0
 @JamesOliver: yeah around here a 5010 ride probably only has the one nice bike and probably takes it everywhere.
  • 4 0
 @iamamodel: Anyone on a Hyper DH frame.
  • 2 0
 @JamesOliver: I have an 2018 fiddy and love it on all types of riding. I've had 7 SC bikes and it's the best and most fun of all of them.
  • 2 0
 Kind of odd that this bike has more aggressive reach than the new Bronson?
  • 9 1
 At least they didn't go full enduro like Transition did with the Scout. I think this bike can still cut it up. But yeah, everyone is trend chasing and it's getting boring.
  • 7 0
 @Svinyard: New Bronson I believe was 2018? I'd bet it's safe to say that it'll get a refresh either in the next 2 weeks or next season. Up the reach to the same length and half a degree slacker. Even if it doesn't need it they're likely looking at the market and thinking that they're probably losing sales by having 20mm less reach than everyone else in the same category.

That being said I just got a current Bronson. It does feel small and I kind of love it. Probably not ideal for high speeds or the steepest double blacks but if your playground is techy single blacks it's basically perfect. Besides bigger feels safer but I have a funny feeling a lot of us would actually be quicker on a smaller bike.
  • 10 1
 @Tombola27: I really dig dogs, but trail dog guy ruins a ride as much as the stop every 5 minutes for a picture guy. Spending the whole ride worrying about not hitting the dog (seen it happen) and the dog not getting lost (had this happen twice) that I stopped riding with Trail dog guy.
  • 2 0
 @iamamodel: Perfect comment. Love it.

Everyone: Case closed. You can go home now. And please, ride what you have, and enjoy it. : )
  • 38 4
 So many whiners on pinkbike these days. Go for a ride people. Christ.
  • 3 0
 the internet trend has reach PB real good...wait form something to be posted to make an "originally smart kinda fun" complain/criticism.
  • 40 18
 Santa Cruz has lost their minds on pricing.

Six grand for the C level carbon, entry level Select + suspension and a Shimano drive train that is significantly cheaper at the OEM level than GX.

And remember, Santa Cruz was able to get an exemption form the additional tariffs for at least a few more months - enough time for them to ship almost their entire 2021 line out at least. The margins on this bike must be incredible.

That said, if you want one, buy it now. If the tariffs kick in you will be laying an extra 250-500$ for a crappy C level bike.
  • 18 0
 Where did you get that XT is cheaper than GX. It has been known that SRAM does strong deals for complete package. Still I agree that the price is way to steep. Only 800$ difference to the CC X01 (package deal also).
  • 10 6
 The Ibis Mojo 4 in XT is a better value.
  • 11 6
 People talk shit about trek, but the xt builds are the same price as their gx builds on many of their bikes.
  • 5 0
 Yep, but people will pay it. Supply and demand my friend. It truly is a bitch for us poor people. But it is getting more and more outrageous.
  • 24 1
 I've found it's cheaper to buy a frame and do a custom build vs the factory builds with Santa Cruz recently.
  • 3 0
 @zanda23: it's a little different. On the Trek bikes only the drivetrain changes. Between gx and xt on these your upgrading hubs, fork, and brakes as well
  • 7 0
 @Dlakusta: agreed, ibis is doing things right at the $4-6k price range. You still get their best quality frame, and you can upgrade suspension etc even on the Deore build.

I love Santa Cruz, but I’ll never buy a new one without a discount.
  • 4 1
 @vaedwards: Ya man their entry level Hightower aluminum with sx and RS gold is robbery at almost $3k compared to what you can get with other brands. People will still buy them but I am seriously losing interest with this brand as they continue to penny pinch the consumer.
  • 4 0
 Hey, they are only fighting the "you see SCs all over the place" sentiment...
  • 4 0
 Yeah its margin grabbing corp BS dude. They should have just dropped an SLX/Deore build with decent suspension for like 4500$ and it'd be gobbled up. The problem is that no one would buy the super expensive shit that rides about the same...so we get NX garbage (and I'm a full SRAM guy) instead. Annoying
  • 1 0
 Would have been nice if the summary table listed the wheelset, would be good to know where the Reserve wheels kick in. At $8K obviously, $4k no way, but somewhere in the middle it likely switches.
  • 1 0
 Indeed especially for a standard mass produced bike. Pon must be delighted how they can get away with charging such a premium for them
  • 7 0
 When did select+ become entry level...it's one tier away from their top of the range Ultimate level stuff hah. A Recon and Deluxe select would be entry level RS.
  • 10 0
 Come on, lets be at least a little bit fair here. Select + is not anywhere close to entry level suspension. It's literally the level directly below the highest end ultimate. Below that are Select, then other models such as the 35 and revelation. At $6k you get full XT with Select + suspension. I do agree that build offers the least value, I'd personally save $1000 and go for the lighter GX build at $5k with fox performance fork, or spend $900 more and get full X01 and a CC frame.

Compared to an Ibis Mojo, the XT build is $6100 and yes you get factory suspension, but 2 piston brakes and just about everything else is equal, so slightly better value, yes. Compared to a Yeti SB140, their XT build is $6900 and you do get the higher end turq frame and full XT with about everything else being equal.

If it were me, and I had $6k to spend, ya I'd prob buy the Ibis Mojo as well, but I'd also try to find the extra $900 for the X01 and CC frame build or consider spending $5k for the GX build. That build is just particularly bad value, with others being quite good, to average at best. It's not like SC is taking everyone for a ride any more than anyone else.
  • 1 0
 @Snowytrail: "RSV" in the name. $1200 premium.
  • 3 0
 110% agree on their pricing. Then again, the lifetime warranty on all frame defects and bearing replacements shows they're all in and standing by their brand, which I can back. The stories on various forums of their warranty dept. coming through is reassuring.
  • 1 1
 @Dlakusta: I agree, the Mojo4 XT is $6099 and the 5010 XT is $7199, over USD $1,000 more.

Since the 5010 looks just like all of SC's other bikes with exact same suspension design, why not just get one of SC's longer travel bikes (like the new Bronson which should be coming out soon, or their 29er Hightower). The reasons to get short travel trail bikes, is that they are a bit lighter and much snappier to ride, and fun to pop off everything and the 5010 does not fall into the "lightweight" short travel bike category. The 5010 C XT weighs 31lbs for $7199. In comparison, the Ibis Mojo4 XT w/carbon wheel upgrade weighs 28.5lbs for $6,900. Not only is the Mojo4 less expensive, but also 2lbs lighter, so I'm sure it is more fun and playful to ride. Not sure why many bikes are getting so heavy, as not everyone weighs 200lbs and sending 40-50ft gaps. For example, my Trance Advanced Pro 29 0 (w/ X01 & enduro parts build), cost me CAD $6,000 and weighs less than 26.5lbs, with Minions and a piggyback shock.
  • 1 1
 @RowdyAirTime: Wat. No. the 5010 XT build is $6,000 USD. There's a whole lot more that goes into how a bike rides than just looks of the suspension design. The geo is very different than other bikes in Santa Cruz's lineup, and the suspension is tuned differently as well.
  • 1 0
 @tgent: Sorry, I should have been more clear, as I was comparing SC's 5010 C XT RSV which retails for USD $7,200, which is a bit lighter than their regular XT. Yes, the suspension has to be tuned differently, as it has less travel than their other bikes I mentioned.
  • 1 0
 @RowdyAirTime: wow that is super light for an enduro build. How do you get it so light?? I have an XL custom carbon 29er RM Instinct fox dpx2/36 2.5 DHF/2.4 DHR, light carbon hoops/dt240 i29 wheels, Code RSC and light-ish cockpit. I'm at 29lbs, and the frame/wheels is really light. 26lbs seems so far away from that.
  • 1 0
 @Svinyard: Actually, the bike was this light from Giant in stock form. It's Giant's 1st time using a full carbon rear triangle, link, etc. It's Giant's ultimate trail bike equipped with burly enduro parts, making it way more capable than the travel may suggest. It came with Giant's TRX enduro wheels weighing only 1662g, and came with carbon DH bars, tuned DVO suspension, etc. The DHF\DHRII Minions are only 2.3 width, but still meaty and durable Minions.

Here's the PB article and a XL weighs 26.9lbs. When my LBS weighed my size Medium Trance Advanced Pro 29 0, it weighed "under" 26.5lbs, closer to 26lbs if I recall. www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-2019-giant-trance-29.html

Here's a review on the bike: www.giant-bicycles.com/ca/news/trance-29-earns-bicycling-gear-of-the-year-award/23376
  • 1 0
 @tgent: I should have also mentioned that I was comparing the Mojo4 XT to the 5010 XT RSV, as Ibis makes some high quality light frames and since the Mojo4 is quite a bit lighter, I gathered Santa Cruz's higher end RSV frame would be a better comparison...
  • 22 0
 I am so stoked this bike is out, just like I was when the Transition Scout and Ibis Mojo came out a few weeks ago. I know over the last 1-2 years its been all about the 29ers because of their domination on the racing scene, but I agree with Loic Bruni, for the regular rider a 27.5 is a more fun bike because you get more smiles at low speed. Even if they don't smooth out the terrain as well, they are more maneuverable, flickable and playful. I hope Evil does the same and updates their Calling and Insurgent, otherwise I may have to move to a different brand that keeps producing poppy 27.5 fun bikes.
  • 2 0
 How capable is the Calling? Compared to the Insurgent?
  • 2 0
 @Fullsend2-13: I found my calling will hang with insurgent up to double black trail, when it get super steep and chonky I wish for more reach, wheelbase, and slacker HA.
  • 2 0
 @Fullsend2-13: I have both. I have a 2018 Calling and a new Insurgent LB. I was waiting for an updated Insurgent but since it has not come out, I grabbed an LB on sale and went all out with a Push 11.6 and a factory 38 fork.
The calling is a very impressive bike and the geometry is almost spot on. The only thing I would change is a a slightly steeper seat tube. 76 or 77 degrees would be enough in my view and that would require a few millimeters added to the reach to keep it balanced but would not change the geo much more. Its a very and current capable bike. In some ways the Insurgent is a little redundant for me because the calling could be paired with a 160mm fork, but I prefer to have a longer travel bike for steeper trails, park days and to take to Chile (where I am from) once or twice a year. If I could only have one bike, I would probably keep the Calling with a 150mm fork. Its a very impressive bike that rides like a slalom bike and also like an enduro if required.
  • 2 0
 @jftoha: How does the Calling pedal? My wife is hunting for a new bike (she is a solid intermediate rider) and wants something in mid travel that is forgiving, versatile but pedals well.
  • 1 0
 @jftoha: Can you run 2.6 on the rear of the Calling? I am debating between that, and the Offering, with 27.6 x 2.6.
  • 1 0
 @jftoha: ok thanks very much. Sounds like it could me by ticket to a perfect all mountain bike that isnt sluggish and is playful but still can do the gnarlier stuff when needed.
  • 20 0
 27.5" aint dead!
  • 20 0
 New Mojo, now new 5010. This makes me happy. I love 27.5 wheels for mid-long travel bikes.
  • 7 0
 @yupstate: dont forget the new TR scout which is pretty much perfect in my book!
  • 2 0
 @thwillis: how does the Scout pedal??
  • 2 0
 @Svinyard: I just sold my 2018 Scout in favor of a new 5010 (not the one being announced here). The Scout pedals terribly in comparison.
  • 18 1
 Launch video was awesome!
  • 15 0
 Ok, but where can I get one of those hand bikes?
  • 3 0
 @EnduroFan84 @aiscreative_miniaturbicycle
  • 21 11
 Seems kind of a shame. The old frame layout was a lot more pleasing; this one definitely looks bent. That said it’s good to see a slightly steeper sta and longer reach - and 27.5 inch wheels. When new bike day eventually rolls around I’ll definitely be looking for a 27.5 trail oriented bike and options are getting thin on the ground; not many companies still offering one, or accepting that going faster isn’t the only goal for every rider.
  • 13 2
 30lbs for the top spec builds seems kind of porky? my Ibis mojo 3 is tippin 28 with fox perfomance stuff...
  • 11 0
 Not sure why you're getting downvoted, 30 lbs for a light-ish duty trail bike is heavy!
  • 2 0
 www.pinkbike.com/news/Santa-Cruz-5010c-Review-2013.html
Look at the weight of V1... all trail bikes have gone heavier, not saying it's a good thing !
  • 2 0
 @roma258: For some reason, pointing out that bikes are getting heavier and heavier is verboten, at least on PB. It goes against the "longer is always better" and "everything must have 29 inch wheels and be beefed up to DH component spec" trends. You get downvoted for pointing out that weight gain is a (minor) downside to building a 120 or 130 bike just like last year's enduro bike. It's just the way it is.
  • 13 1
 That video was fucking EPIC!!
  • 8 0
 A good looking trail bike, will wait for the reviews.

Lol at people saying all SC bikes look the same, have these same people seen the Yeti, Scott, Ibis, Trek etc lineup? Haha everybody has their own design language it’s their signature look so their brand is instantly recognizable on the trails.
  • 2 1
 I think the point is that SC bikes have come to look identical. If you show me a Yeti SB100, 130, 150...I can tell you the difference from 50 feet away. Same is probably true of Ibis. SC bikes are the exact same configuration of rear fame piece, to main frame. To distinguish one SC model from another, you've gotta ask the rider!
  • 1 0
 SC has pretty much flogged their current design language horse as far as she will go. The bulk in the bottom bracket and swingarm section is unbecoming of a bike of this caliber. The latest Yeti stuff is almost literally the same exact frame, minus the SB100.
  • 1 0
 @twozerosix: Though at least the shock mount location is different between the sb130 and sb150
  • 8 0
 Cool to see Santa Cruz continue to support a full lineup of 27.5 bikes. Great bike for someone who wants something playful and agile, or simply wants smaller wheels or is on a smaller frame. Not sure why they didn't do this the last update of the 5010 when the Bronson was updated, bummer if you bought a 19-20 5010, as IMO the lower linkage is better is just about every way. One oddity is the really tall head tubes, I'm assuming their riders wanted them to raise the bars but may not work for everyone.
  • 2 0
 I think its awesome less lost reach with mounting a ton of spacers. Even at 5'8" I'd be stacking 30mm of spacers with a commonly available 20mm rise bar on the older models.
  • 15 6
 A short travel bronson......no quite sure why. I have a v2 and it's an amazing, vibrant, nimble and chuckble rocket. I'll just keep it.
  • 7 0
 Same with my V2! 150mm 36s up front and a custom stroke DPX2 in the rear for 140 mm and its a true do it all bike.
  • 6 0
 Was wondering the same thing. I have two bikes - quite opposite in character: 170mm travel / 65 HA / 460mm reach // 120mm travel / 69 HA / 420 reach. For the tame trails that I have nearby, I find the latter easier to handle and more fun to "jib" with (given my limited skills). Not that it can't be done with the bigger bike, but everything is more physical, which makes it feel less fun.
Was considering the 5010 as a replacement for the smaller bike, but these new models seem headed towards enduro-type riding. What would be a good middle-ground these days?
  • 2 0
 @PeteUK: Same here Smile
  • 6 1
 I’m on a bronson V2, spent some time mulling over a change, decided to stick with what to me is the perfect do it all go anywhere bike. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
  • 2 0
 I'm on a V2 5010 with a Fox 36 up front, EXT storia on the rear. It probably feels pretty similar to your V2 bronson. I have two air shafts for the fork to either run 140 or 150mm. It's such an incredibly fun bike to thrown into corners and into the air, feels extremely precise and really makes legal trails feel way more fun. I can have a great time either charging trails on my own or if I'm in a group at a slower pace and just messing around.
  • 11 0
 That video is sooo fake, I mean, where’s the bumbag on that hand?!?
  • 7 0
 Aluminum should have come out from the start also for the average people. Waiting till the end of the season to finally put that out is a mistake. Or maybe they got tired of hearing how overpriced it is by Bikeradar and gave up on it.
  • 7 0
 Gotta let the carbon buyers give us alloy people discounts later!
  • 6 0
 Most of Santa Cruz bike sales are on Carbon bikes. If you're selling something, which would you rather bring to market first? The one that you sell more of, and where each unit makes you more money? Or the one that sits around longer before people buy it, at a lower price?
  • 1 0
 I think they’re going to leave the alloy till next year for the steep HTA folks and probably some supply issues.
  • 12 3
 How long low slack can all the companies go until thay u turn and say naaaa 67ht is what you want, a perfect middle ground for the all mountain trail bike....
  • 4 4
 It isn’t though.

When I had my 2013 santa cruz SOLO, i chucked a -2 angle set in it after one ride....
  • 4 0
 The geometry on Pivot's latest Switchblade seems to indicate (to me, at least) that they're pumping the brakes on making things longer and slacker.
  • 3 2
 @pmhobson: Pivot tends to be a year or three behind on geometry usually though.
  • 3 0
 @TucsonDon: Maybe they've just taken a short cut with the u-turn Wink
  • 1 1
 @TucsonDon: most DW bikes are. It took ages for Ibis to enlarge reach and slacken the HA.
  • 2 0
 @southoftheborder: It did. The LS brought Ibis up to what other bikes had been three years before, they were still far behind. The geometry on the new Ripleys finally looks nice though.
  • 9 0
 This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Shorter travel modern geo 27.5er
Maybe in a couple years though...
  • 31 22
 The update no-one asked for.
  • 8 0
 wandering if making a 130/130mm mullet out of this thing is a good idea or not?
  • 2 0
 Same. I thought they might have offered this from the factory by now.
  • 1 0
 It will bump up the front end a bit. There are geo charts posted for the sb140 mullet online for some reference. Sounds sick to me
  • 10 1
 That bloody hand has more style than me, killer vid that.
  • 4 0
 Yup mad skilz for the hand model. There were times I forgot it was a hand and wondered why the legs had no pants on.
  • 7 2
 Really confused?! Why would you choose this over a Bronson? This new 5010 even seems to be marketed towards what the Bronson is for.Really does not make any sense to me. I have a Bronson v3 and it really is all the bike you need and still pedals very well. Also very playful. Not sure the 5010 is needed anymore or who it is even aimed at?
  • 3 0
 I just rode with a shred lady that sold her Bronson for a 5010 here in PNW. She said the Bronson wasnt nearly as much fun on more blue-ish trails, slower speeds and didnt pedal well and that the v3 5010 was much better in that regard. With this new 5010...not sure that's true anymore, so hard to say.
  • 11 1
 I will be finding out for myself soon, as I'm about to get a 5010, but I thought I'd give some input.
I have a V10 and a Nomad and my wife has a Bronson.
These are 215mm, 170mm and 150mm.

The difference between a V10 and Nomad should be obvious with 45mm (21%) difference in travel, and it is extremely obvious. V10 is sluggish when it's flat or up but blows the Nomad out of the water at high speed in rough terrain. Don't believe anyone who says their bike is 'basically a DH bike' unless it is, because otherwise it's definitely not.

The Nomad to Bronson is 20mm (12%) is a smaller jump, so the difference should be less noticeable than the V10/Nomad. However it's actually quite noticeable. When I told my wife I wanted a 5010, she didn't understand. So we swapped bikes for barely one minute in a trail more suited to shorter travel (but fast and downhill). She couldn't believe how much more of a handful my Nomad was, and I was actually quite surprised how spritely her Bronson was.

The difference between the Bronson and 5010 is 20mm too, so I expect the difference will be just as noticeable, if not more. It will be probably much more noticeable going from Nomad to a 5010 than a V10 to a Nomad.

The question remains 'why', then? I used to have a blur 4X that I replaced with the first carbon Nomad. It was a tough decision because the 4X was the most fun bike I'd ever had (I had a V10 too at the time). It totally encourages hooliganism. Absolute blast to ride. And when I took my Nomad on its first ride I thought I made the wrong decision as it felt sluggish. After a few rides I got used to it and grew to love the headroom of having more travel to smash a little more like a V10. I'd never give up my Nomad as a lot of my riding really makes one shine. But a lot of my riding also doesn't.

There's nothing quite like the feeling that you are tearing the ass right off your bike, and that's nearly impossible to do on a V10, rare to do on a Nomad, a little more frequent on a Bronson, but the name of the game on a 4X that has been modernized into the latest incarnation, the 5010. And I can't wait to feel that again.
  • 2 0
 @kram: so basically if you were to own only one you'd take the Bronson?
  • 2 0
 Some people don’t embrace travel like most pinkbikers. There is also a lot of flat places in the world where the travel is really not needed.
  • 1 0
 @endorium I agree, these changes seem to be directly counterproductive to the purpose/niche of the 5010. I demoed the Bronson V2 and V3 and the 5010 V2. As @kram describes well, there was quite a bit of difference between the 5010 and either Bronson. At the time, I had a 160 bike and was looking for something a bit smaller, lighter, and livelier for smoother terrain. For that purpose, I preferred the 5010 by a significant margin. The Bronson was good, but was just more bike to handle and required more effort/rider input at slower speeds or on smooth trails. These changes basically undo most of those differences (slacker, heavier, longer, so more to handle) and seem directly against what the 5010 was originally marketed as. What's next, a 35 lb Blur with 61-degree head angle?
  • 2 0
 @Fullsend2-13: Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I will bite anyway. If I had to forgo both my V10 and Nomad and settle for a Bronson, it would be a sad day indeed. 5010 is going to be a sometimes bike for me since neither it nor the Bronson is most suited to the terrain I ride most often and is kind of the middle child that isn't enough of a big mountain slayer, nor an ass ripping play bike. Worst of all worlds for my preferred riding. I know well enough since I've ridden my wife's a number of times, yest it suits her well. It may well be the best of all worlds in many other parts of the world, or for other types of riders.

I have also spent plenty of time on a hardtail in Garbo zone, and totally understand that any bike, Bronson or otherwise, 'can' do anything. But you won't see a Bronson win a World Cup XC or DH, which is why there are more models to choose from. The 5010 will be a better bike at what I want to use it for than a Bronson, Nomad or V10. And, will certainly be way better for me than an XC whippet, which as it turns out some people actually enjoy too (even though I would never want one).

Thankfully, we have options so we can all have what we want.
  • 1 0
 @kram: no i was actually genuinely wondering. And that makes sense, thanks. I guess for me the Bronson or 5010 would be better because lots of the time I'm not doing gnarlier stuff and when I am those bikes would be able to handle it to my ability. I'm not a good enough rider to push those bikes. Right now im trying to decide what would be the optimal travel for all the riding that i do.
  • 2 0
 @Fullsend2-13: It's always a tough call trying to find one bike to rule them all. Problem is there's great satisfaction in pushing a bike right the the limit, but it's also not so great when you push it well past. I used to bend the main shock bolt all the time on my Blur 4X when it was my only trail bike (spent more time on my V10 in those days). A lot of my trail riding is full on DH bike worthy, but I'm not going to pedal a V10 anywhere, so that's where the Nomad comes in. And for me, those types of rides wouldn't be as good on a Bronson. Then for everything else that's not DH type pedal access trails, I'm left with a massive burly built Nomad that really dampens the fun factor when it's more XC type riding. And since a proper XC bike sounds like a good way for me to wreck even more stuff, including possibly myself, the 5010 seems like the right choice.

Bronson will for sure give you more room to push your own limits if you're trying to progress. And if the 4X is any guide, you will be able to take a 5010 just about anywhere and do anything that's currently in your comfort level, although you won't be able to push it as hard. I expect that if I take the 5010 for a ride that I expect to be flatter, and end up scoring a shuttle to the top of a burly descent, it will still be up for the task as long as I don't expect to go balls to the wall when it gets super rowdy. I'll no doubt prefer I had a bigger bike with me, but I'll also be glad that my "XC" bike was a 5010 and not an actual XC bike.

I'm of the opinion that a lot of people have more travel than they need. But I'm also of the opinion that someone who is trying to progress a great deal from where they are now to where they want to be can also benefit from having a bit more travel than they usually need.
  • 1 0
 With Santa Cruz so far, we're seing a three year cycle that looks like:
2019: Hightower, Megatower, and Tallboy.
2018: Bronson, 5010, and Blur
2017: Nomad (and the now-dead HTLT)
2016: Hightower and Tallboy
2015: Bronson and 5010
2014: Nomad
2013: 5010, Bronson, Tallboy

So my two cents, there will be a new Bronson in not too long.
  • 5 1
 So I wonder when this slackening of geometry is eventually going to stop? Every new version they slacken the head angle by one degree and call it sooooooo much better handling. They of course could have slacken the HT by 3 degrees from the get go. Can we expect to be at 55 deg in ten years. And from esthetics point of view. IMO the SC bikes are getting so ugly. Paint schemes not much better. Now they have a huge gap in their lineup. Blur 69HT, angle Tallboy 65HT angle. So I just got a Pivot with 67 and 130mm fork. Will SC ever understand that not everybody lives out West where you can bomb the trails down for long periods of time.
  • 3 0
 If only the grim donut review would come out we could see the logical conclusion to longer/lower/slacker
  • 4 0
 Feeling the same way about the new Mojo 4. I just don't see it riding as well as my HD3 (or the Mojo 3) on my normal VT terrain, but I'm going to rent it none the less and see,

To your point, I fail to see where things go from here. Maybe new suspension designs as they can make any bike suck or be awesome.
  • 4 0
 So how long until these ridiculous prices start to catch up with them? Of all the people I know who've bought new bikes in the past couple years, almost all bought direct. Nukeproof, YT, Fezzari, Commencal, etc. It went well for all of them, they saved thousands, and they are getting them serviced by local bike shops just like if they bought from a bike shop.

I had four Santa Cruz bikes in a row. They were awesome. Now I have a direct-to-consumer bike and saved $1500ish for the build I wanted compared to getting a Megatower. It's just as awesome (and beats the Megatower in most head-to-head reviews).
  • 3 0
 I hope their increased margin makes up for the lost sales because I fear you're correct. The direct guys and companies like Banshee and Ibis are really bringing big value.
  • 7 0
 i'm just glad that the days of desert sand/prosthetic limb beige seem to be behind us...
  • 3 0
 lolol...."prosthetic limb beige" lol

(They did finally come to their senses a bit...for goodness sakes their stock images on their webpage are so dark and drab. Not doing the colors justice).
  • 4 0
 I just demo'd the new 5010 and it's phenomenal in my opinion. A perfect mix of trail bike and play bike. It definitely doesn't feel like the newer crop of too long, too low, too slack. It makes every bit of the trail fun and begs you to pump, jump and schralp every little bump and turn. I think it's quite versatile. I love it and will be buying one.
  • 5 2
 I am sure I am alone with this, but I always felt my Tallboy3 was way more of a fun bike than the 5010v3 that came after it. I could not get along with the 5010. On paper it was the hooligans bmx trail bike, on the trails I found it not so much a riot. It was the most boring bike I had. It was fun at the bike park on long flowy jump lines, but on my local trails, just seemed very lethargic. I guess its all relative, because one of the most fun bikes I have had, and I have had more than a few, is my current Instinct BC. On paper its a bruiser and a tank, on the trails its a hoot. It also took me over 2 months to get bearings from Santa Cruz. and they were really slow to reply to emails. After 3 weeks of waiting, I just got them from Amazon Prime in 2 days. I will say this, if you have doubts about carbon frames at the bike park, Santa Cruz carbon frames can take a serious beating. They are bombproof. At least their thicker carbon, at the lower price point.
  • 2 0
 Instinct brah! Such a freaking fun bike.
  • 6 0
 @aiscreative_miniaturbicycle
WhatsApp: +6281382402331
  • 5 2
 Sick looking bike. I'm disappointed to see a high end shimano drivetrain being spec'd with mid-tier suspension package and a C frame. This XT should have been CC matched to ultimate fork and shock.
  • 3 2
 Dude the Select+ is very nice
  • 1 0
 @Fullsend2-13: 100%! I dont need the HSC knob and am glad that my Lrik S+ is identical to the Ultimate besides that.
  • 4 2
 They all look the same? No they're different colours and wheel sizes! I've got a Bronson v3, but if you ride mellow trails and like 27'5 then this is the bike for you, just like many other manufacturers, they like to cover all bases
  • 3 0
 While bike looks stunning, $4099USD. 14.22kg / 31.34lbs for base NX model is just sucks! the have nice options for Bronson or other bikes in their line up, however for 5010 they choose to limi to shitty
  • 7 0
 Is suck indeed
  • 1 0
 The problem is carbon. Every bike jumps up 1000-1300$.
  • 1 0
 @nickmalysh Specialized‘s Stumpjumper Comp Carbon costs 600 more and has the same shitty components...
  • 1 0
 @edfw: I can buy Specialized frame and build my own bike, my point was about entry point bike price / component ration;
Also specialized have all options, etc;
  • 3 2
 I really wanted to try a 5010 but i struggled to find anywhere to demo one. There were a few places to demo SC bikes but they didn't offer the 5010. Are they not popular?

Any thoughts from people who own/have owned one?

Although price and value was a big sticking point for me. My pricepoint is the entry-level models for most bikes. Which is fine - i'm quite bad at mountain biking so i don't need a super bling factory spec. But it just seemed that, even if the bottom spec level was perfectly adequate for my needs/ability, i was getting a really bad deal for rhe money. I think i had to go up two spec levels (to about £4k) just to get a dropper. It might be pure stubbornness, but it really put me off.

Something else cropped up on sale so i ended up not looking into it any further.

Still, they look like really fun bikes and i still wonder...
  • 4 0
 Best bet is to check with your local dealer, normally SC has a testfleet for most bikes. I own a 2020 5010 C and I absolutly love it. It's such a blast to jib, throw and mess around, but capable for long trail/XC rides.

Even though the quality feel is all over the bike, it's still quite expensive for what you get honestly. (€60 cranks on a €6K bike is not ok. And then I'm not going to mention the Guide R brakes...)
You're better of with getting an end of season deal on one of these.; There should be plenty '20 5010's around, since it just got revamped.
  • 4 0
 @NinetySixBikes: Thanks for the reply. Most places near to me that sold SC didn't carry the 5010. Maybe it's just not a big seller around these parts.

Not in the market for a new bike any more as i picked up a bargain with something else last year. But i really feel like their pricing is just not justifiable for me if i was. The entry level alloy ones were potentially priced as an option, but the component spec (whilst perfectly adequate for my use/ability) just felt like i'd be getting the worst deal ever - especially since the lowest priced models weren't that cheap to begin with. Which just really didn't sit right with me if you can understand that. I mean the fact that they couldn't even spec a basic Brand X (which i've had and highly rate) or similar dropper really irritated me. I just don't feel like i should have to climb the spec-tiers to get something so standard.

If i do happen to see one for demo, i may still give it a go out of curiosity.
  • 1 0
 ..that's because at the lower price point, you are getting a bad deal.
  • 1 0
 @jason475:

True. I'm not someone who expects high-spec for low cost either (although there are brands that can deliver it to varying degrees). I appreciate that if you want the best, you gotta pay for it.

But i don't think it's unreasonable to expect to get at least a fair spec for the price being asked - regardless of which end of the spectrum your budget stretches to.

High cost for low spec is just plain offputting.
  • 2 0
 The old model hadn't been updated in a while, probably not too popular the past couple of years.
  • 1 0
 @DidNotSendIt: absolutely agree. I was looking at a used V3 Bronson which was the C, R build and the guy was wanting 3500 like nah thats a total ripoff compared to the spec i could get on other bikes used. But from the new perspective as your talking about I totally agree.

Dont even get me started on the norco sights value vs. price paid...
  • 1 0
 @Fullsend2-13: you can't compare used bikes. Used bikes don't come with a frame warranty
  • 1 0
 @friendlyfoe: kind of kills the resale, eh?
  • 4 0
 Can we expect a refresh of the Blur following the similar pattern in the coming months then?
  • 6 1
 Yes, when does the Blur get "the treatment"? Now that is one bike I'd be interested in if they went slightly more "trail" with it. They went too far with the Tallboy for me.
  • 3 0
 @yupstate: 100% Agree.
  • 1 0
 Can't see how they'll hit the weight needed for a true XCO/XCM bike with this lower link setup. Very much hoping they don't water down a genuinely top notch XC bike by making it more of a trail bike. That's definitely what the Tallboy is for. Either way, can't see it coming before 2021, in keeping with the SC 3 year release cycle.
  • 2 0
 Yup. Would love to see a 110/120mm bike with blur suspension and tallboy geo.
  • 2 0
 @Cleveruplink: The problem as I see it with Santa Cruz' lineup is that if you want a short-travel 29er you either get a very racy XC bike (Blur-even in TR form) or you get a 30lb almost all-mountain bike in the Tallboy. For me, I guess the issue is less the Blur and more the Tallboy. IMO they should have somehow made it about 1lb lighter and 1* steeper. The weight and geo numbers just don't match up with the travel; you might as well get a Hightower.
  • 4 1
 Who chooses these colors? I'd buy it if it was in White, Eggshell, Primer Grey, Black, OD Green, or FDE. I'm deprived for another year for new colors.
  • 1 0
 I just bought a SC bike but they really do have some of the worst colours/paint of any brand on the market.
  • 4 0
 Hold on. Those are the colours you’d pick?? The only one out of your picks I’d like is black. I guess to each their own.
  • 2 0
 @friendlyfoe: I feel like it is hit and miss. The 2017 5010 with the red and mint green was sick.
  • 2 0
 @4thflowkage: I actually like the olive green I got mine in but the matte finish kind of sucks. The way dirt sticks to it after a was is annoying. I won't bother with it now but I always take my stuff apart over the winter and have half a mind to get it clear coated.

The primer grey looks like they forgot to paint the bike, and what about everyone's favourite.... Hotdog and mustard colour. Really have no idea what they're thinking.
  • 2 0
 @friendlyfoe: hey! I dig my primer grey!
Different strokes...
  • 5 0
 Color should have been Raspberry Beret
  • 4 0
 The kind you find at a second hand store...
  • 2 0
 Copyrights...
  • 2 0
 Beret and Sorbet have the same number of syllables and rhyme the same, so it still works. When I saw the color name, I was half expecting another music video a la "Carbon Chameleon"
  • 1 0
 Ok so I've already checked the shock specs and wondering if long-shocking this to a 210x52.5 or 55 would work.... and shuddup with warranty comments ;-) Or maybe I should just punt and get a Scout, but love my Brolo'd 5010 V2 so much!
  • 5 1
 Curious to see how this stacks up against the norco optic
  • 10 12
 Vpp >Horst link
  • 4 0
 Not heard that tune since Xenon 2 on the Amiga 500.
  • 3 1
 As a tall person I do not like the chainstay length changes for different sizes. Shorter is more fun and stability is obtained by the longer bike. flame away
  • 4 0
 The biggest size is only 432mm which is super short.
  • 4 1
 If but here that Burgtec stem, what level of jibbiness I will reach?
  • 4 0
 Xenon 2 on Atari ST
  • 2 0
 Came here to say that! Funny story, we shared an office building with one of the Bitmap Brothers, the very person who coded that evil final level with all the things that looked like shells
  • 2 0
 Bomb the bass were ace. well ahead of their time...
  • 2 0
 @Richt2000: Got that on 7 inch. Or should it be 180mm?
  • 1 0
 @Woody25: ha rad! they owe me some new joysticks, destroyed in frustration!
  • 2 0
 howsyourgrandad more like!

(I remember it well unfortunately)
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: haha i'm only 38 !
  • 3 0
 whaou ... that's a good video ! very fresh idea here ...
  • 3 1
 What's with the ridiculously long head tube? 150mm head tube length seems extraordinarily long for a bike like this
  • 2 1
 Agreed. I have the v3 in large, and the headtube is ridiculous. Need at least a 180mm steerer tube for the proper stack.
  • 3 1
 If I were to order this bike, I would have to walk into my bike shop and say “Raspberry Sorbet” with a straight face.
  • 4 1
 Can't wait for the long term review tomorrow...
  • 2 1
 I was kind of hoping they'd keep the v3 suspension (snappy and pedally) and just give it 140/150 travel. Little their version of the Scout but not as aggressive.
  • 3 0
 I agree, but then at that point its encroaching on the Bronson...
  • 1 0
 Cue the sanctimonious talk about how you need less travel for what YOU ride. but the big boys need a limited edition rampage bike...
  • 2 0
 uhh, i dont need suspension its for wimps(only rides pump tracks and skateparks on bmx), Im More ExTrEmE And DonT NeEd A dH BiKe On RaMpaGE, ItS EAsy
  • 2 0
 Geometry is in the database for comparison purposes...
geometrygeeks.bike/bike/santa-cruz-5010-2021
  • 3 4
 1.- the pricing on these bikes is such a joke. I bought myself a santa cruz c carbon last year. mid price=expensive. It had 25% discount on original price, and it was still a rip off. The components were all branded, but such a crap, wheels dt swiss adn race face were anchors. Kept the fork and the frame, sold all the parts as they were pure crap and made it custom. The commencal is expensive, this is a plain rip off.

2.- this is now a bronson with a bit less travel, the previous 5010 was a dual suspension slope kind of bike, poppy, for manuals, for jumping easy, a bmx kinda dual susp. that kind of bike now gone, now a lower travel bronson. no one wants a lower travel bronson, everyone would choose a bronson instead.
  • 3 0
 Well, won't I be surprised when my 5010 shows up and it's not Bronson then.
  • 3 0
 1. So you made a bad decision and didn’t buy the right bike.

2. interested to know if you have actually tried this new 5010? You seem to have made your mind up on It’s handling characteristics.
  • 3 0
 As for pricing if you take the frame only price and add all the parts on Santa Cruz is one of the few companies that doesn't offer any real discount on the full package vs buying everything separate. So that's exactly what I did. Just built up a frame only aluminum Bronson because if I'm going to pay full retail for the parts I might as well just get the parts I actually want.
  • 5 0
 I sometimes have a hard time with this kind of thing- I find people, especially on PB, are quick to blast a bikes price. But then, they refuse to ride anything with (for example) GX eagle drive trains, code R brakes, super deluxe select+ suspension as it is all “crap”. If you’re looking for components above gx eagle level, you’re going to be spending a bit more money. Not that it can’t be done (ripmo af, etc) but it is hard to find a cheap carbon frame bike with that component spec. If you want to complain about component spec that’s one thing, or price another, but at a certain point top tier spec will cost money and there’s no way around it
  • 2 0
 @CircusMaximus: It looks the same so it must be the same!!
  • 1 0
 @CircusMaximus:

You must be so awesome to know what is right for other people.

Didn't ride my Nomad or V10 before I bought them. Are you going to tell me they were bad decisions, since neither are Bronsons?
  • 2 0
 @kram: wasn’t commenting on your post, rather the one before you. Are ok now? Smile
  • 2 0
 @kram: btw, I actually gave you props on your comment...
  • 1 0
 @CircusMaximus: Ah shit, sorry about that. Props back at ya. Smile

Now that I look more closely, that should have been obvious. My bad. Cheers.
  • 1 0
 @kram: no worries!
  • 2 0
 So this is the bike that people finally decide that Santa Cruz is a dentist bike brand?
  • 1 0
 My god, I bought a 2019 in October thinking "The V3 JUUUST came out, at least I'll be safe from a major redesign for a bit, and wont get too jealous."

Damn it.
  • 2 0
 Buddy I know just got one two weeks ago...
  • 2 0
 @Svinyard: on the plus side, i've been so so so happy with my v3, and its still so much more capable than I am.

The only real bummer is Ive been trying to figure out how to shoehorn some bikepacking bags onto it, and the V4 has a way more open frame.
  • 1 0
 @protwurst: already looked on Porcelain Rocket and all those brands?, surely they do something it fits that frame. Restrap for example have a wide variety of nice products.
  • 1 0
 @HopeFbn: I think I could get something that would fit, but there just isnt much space between the upper mount shock position, the fact its a piggyback shock, and the generally smaller frame size.
  • 1 0
 @HopeFbn: looks cool! but not sure how it would fit a v3 5010, or anything with an high-mounted shock.Even they say it'll fit "...many full suspension frame bags with a vertically mounted shock"
  • 1 0
 Big fan of that Juliana "Spicy Redwood" colorway. These matte "bright" colors like the Transition Sentinel's "Loam Gold" are looking good.
  • 2 0
 What is the point in the flip chip, surely nobody is going to notice the difference between 65.4 or 65.7 head angle
  • 1 0
 @matthew18 If your comment is sarcastic, I agree. When the V3 models came out, it was intended (so says SC) to allow customers to run either 2.3/2.4 tires or 2.6 tires and still keep the geometry the same. Overall, I am also skeptical that a significant number of people can actually feel differences produced by changes of 0.5-degrees or less or 5mm or less. Other manufacturers seem to actually use the flip chip to offer perceptible differences in ride feel.
  • 1 0
 BB height
  • 2 0
 Soon, we'll have on the fly travel/geo adjustment and at the flick of a switch go 5010 to Bronson to Nomad.
  • 1 0
 Had that in 2011 Cannondale Jeykl. Sucked when you forgot to flip the switch. Crazy proprietary double shock. Still have it in the garage. Fun ride
  • 1 0
 Is shows a 5010 C S as $4999 USD which converted into AUD is~$7300, Yet on the SantaCruz AU site the Price of a 5010 C S is $8999 AUD....

WTF?
  • 1 2
 Pinkbike- Can you tell me why this news story has stayed at the top of my news feed for a few days? Is it because they are a sponsor? Just would like some transparency. Seemed to remember when the Sentinel 2.0 was released that story faded 'down the ladder' very quickly. Appreciate any feedback/answer. Cheers.
  • 2 0
 "A few days"? It was published yesterday...

Looking at my feed, I see 6 new articles above it and two new articles below it
  • 1 0
 @ChristophColombo: Should just rephrase this. This may be all my mistake/misperception(I saw this story on Monday 2 days ago), but while I was thinking of it I just wanted someone from PB to chime in on how the stories scroll from release to off of 'front page.' I am not crying conspiracySmile Is there an algorithm or any other weight attached to stories? Just wanting the facts from someone at PB.
  • 2 0
 @ToddandToni: I suspect it's by creation date - the two articles labelled "Today" that appear below this one are actually dated yesterday as well. Most likely, they were written yesterday, but set to release (i.e. become visible) today.

So in the example of the Sentinel article, what could have happened is that the article was posted the day before, but not set to release until the actual release date. Once it released, it would have been quickly pushed down because all of the articles written on the actual release day would come first in the auto-sorting algorithm. I have no idea if this is actually what happened though - it could also be that there just happened to be a lot of other articles published at the same time.
  • 1 0
 @ChristophColombo: You are probably right and I do appreciate your thoughts. If anyone at PB staff sees this- is this true? Or any other factors involved? Cheers.
  • 1 0
 @ToddandToni There's no algorithm or anything like that, we control what goes where on the news page - it's as simple as changing the publishing time and we alter the order maybe 5-8 times a day. Generally our own content, so anything that isn't a press release or 3rd party submission, goes at the top because we want it to get the most attention. Especially if it's something we've put a lot of work into and think people should be paying attention to, e.g a big news story or a larger video project such as the Privateer or Grim Donut etc.

Beyond that, things that are getting a lot of page views go near the top because we want to serve people the content they want to read. Yes, it's probably a self-fulfilling prophecy at times but we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot to bury content that people are still reading so we keep it up there until it starts to tail off. Generally, a story will do most of its page views in 12 or so hours then something else will come along so this will never keep a story up high for too long.

With reference to this particular piece, Santa Cruz bike launches are always big news, Kaz made a video and this was the best performing story of last week so it ticks all the boxes and is probably why it spent more time near the top than some other stories last week. Although very rarely will a story spend more than 24 hours at the top of the page so it shouldn't have been there a few days later.
  • 1 0
 @jamessmurthwaite: Wow, I really am impressed with the honest reply. Thank you for taking the time to write this response. I do appreciate it and all you do. Nice to know this is an in house and human process with no algorithm. Happy to see you hopefully sustain your model of reviews/news/entertainment. The days of Mountain Bike Action do feel in the distant past.
Again, thank you.
-Todd
  • 1 0
 Lol, hilarious, brilliant, annoying...I love and dislike that video equally all at the same time.

The bike is cool ????????????
  • 1 0
 Bike looks great, and the video is even greater

@eberyone complaining about "looks like every other SC bike" well that's kinda the point of corporate design and such
  • 2 0
 That 2013 5010 release video is still my favorite bike release video of all time...
  • 3 0
 So Sick!!!
  • 2 0
 Man! Great idea! Superb vid!
  • 2 0
 Now I want a trail cockroach video
  • 8 7
 I wish they'd put an extra brake hose port on the front for those of us who ride their brakes the 'correct' way around.
  • 1 0
 I's all guided on the inside so would not work but because it is in the front it is not in the way at all now for uk riding Smile
  • 5 0
 Ive often thought front brake on the right hand (once comfortable with it) would be better. Front braking modulation and control into steeps and at higher speeds is paramount - now having that control with your dominant hand (for most people anyway.......you lefties dont down vote me you weirdo's) would probably give you more control. And your left hand would be just to lobster claw the rear brake.
  • 1 0
 Is there a correct way? I biking wrong this whole time!
  • 2 0
 Wonder if they are going to release an aluminum version??
  • 1 0
 not even a pic of a Juliana Furtado upgrade? Is there going to be a separate article?
  • 1 0
 there is a photo in the article below the geo chart
  • 2 2
 Is Juliana now known as Juliana Furtado? Or is Furtado the name of the model? Either way sounds a bit strange to my ears having grown up watching Julie Furtado race.
  • 1 0
 The Furtado is the name of this particular model in the Juliana lineup (and has been since the 5010 was first released). It's intentional - Juli Furtado has been involved with the brand since the late 90s and the release of the Santa Cruz Juliana.

www.julianabicycles.com/en-US/about-juliana-bicycles
  • 2 4
 I miss the look of the previous vvp layout, although the new layout does ride more supple. Weird to have that long of a reach on a xc bike, so i'm guessing a v5(?) Bronson and new hightower is coming soon, or maybe a new nomad?
  • 2 0
 Xc bike? Where!?
The new Hightower literally just came out this year...
If Santa Cruz stays true to their 3 year refresh the Nomad should be released soon and he Bronson next year.
  • 1 0
 I think it’s cool, that’s what I want. Not seven thousand bucks cool though
  • 1 0
 Nice to have coil option with the new 5010. I hope all their upcoming bikes have enough space in the shock tunnel.
  • 1 0
 Loosely Blue looks like the iconic color of another brand, Yeti cannot think of which one.
  • 5 4
 Anyone figured out how to tell their bikes apart now??
  • 30 0
 It's written on the top tube.
  • 7 0
 Now? The previous generation was uniform in design also.
  • 1 0
 Sorry was trying to upvote you
  • 1 0
 @JCO: FTw...!!!
; )
  • 1 0
 I did not find that size on the list. Where can I buy it Smile ?
  • 2 0
 5010 or Bronson?!
  • 4 2
 5010.......if you have the skills always under bike.
  • 3 0
 Bronson..... if you have no skills, always over bike
  • 1 0
 Mojo 4? Lighter, more progressive. Just looks goofy...
  • 1 0
 That ad video is so good!
  • 1 1
 Get Jibby with it
  • 1 0
 I cannot ride like this not even with my fingers!!
  • 2 2
 I'd really struggle to justify the extra cost vs benefit when viewed next to a Spectral.
  • 6 0
 You can use that same logic for most direct to consumer brands
  • 1 0
 At first I thought that was a new 1 inch wheel standard.....
  • 1 0
 I want one of those toy bikes
  • 6 6
 Looks like they ruined it. Took all the best qualities of that bike and dulled them, LAME
  • 2 1
 Now with less seatpost insertion and difficult to reach lockout lever!
  • 1 0
 Doesn't look like a Scout at all Wink
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Specialized Enduro
  • 1 0
 Ha! Video duration is 5:10

Nice one pinkbike!
  • 1 0
 That hand rides much better than I do.
  • 1 0
 Starts at 4 grand.... Better sell that other kidney.
  • 2 0
 Why no slx build?
  • 2 0
 @gclarida cause it's Santa Cruz and they are deeply in bed with SRAM and have been for years. At the other end of the spectrum, on most models, they don't offer an XTR build either. Their bikes always come with a Reverb too...
  • 2 0
 Mitch is a beast!
  • 1 0
 In all honesty where would a guy get his hands on that toy bike!?
  • 2 1
 What happened to wakidesignz?
  • 1 0
 : Yes looks like they designed their bikes with photoshop?
  • 2 0
 WE WANT THE 2021 NOMAD
  • 1 0
 Have a nomad front end, wonder how a bronson back end would fit on it?
  • 1 0
 Why would you hang 4000 bucks {extra} of bits on the same frame?
  • 1 0
 Keep bringing 27.5" bikes!
  • 1 0
 As long as it makes me ride like the 50to01 crew I’ll buy one.
  • 1 0
 I’d be all over that C XT build.
  • 1 0
 Santa Cruz 3nDur0 ?
  • 3 2
 dat Burgtec stem tho
  • 3 0
 Remember reading a stem test a few years back in a UK magazine and they had concerns about the Burgtec stem. It always put me off. If there's one bit on my bike I want to trust completely its the stem! Im pretty sure they will have sorted their QC out by now though.
  • 3 2
 looks like enduro
  • 1 0
 Sick clicked tabletop!
  • 3 3
 TT length is 20mm to short for a Med frame.
  • 1 1
 173.5 rear spacing...why god, why another size?????
  • 2 4
 I’ll stick with my Karate Monkey. It’s a cheap bike and fun a f@$k to ride!
  • 9 2
 Cool story
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