Transition launched the
new Patrol earlier this week, and it's now joined by the Spire, a heavy hitting 29er with 170mm of front and rear travel. Transition call it a 'nimble bruiser', although that might be a bit of a stretch – its extra-slack head angle and long-ish chainstays mean the Spire is undoubtedly happiest when it's binging on steep, rugged terrain.
There are carbon and alloy frame options, with five sizes, from S to XXL, that should accommodate a wide range of rider heights. For riders who want to take the mixed wheel route, it's possible to run the Spire with a 27.5” rear wheel when the flip chip is in the high setting.
Two complete carbon framed models will be available - the Carbon GX model is prices at $5,899, and the Carbon XT model is $6,599. A carbon frame and shock only is $3,299, and the aluminum frame is $2,299.
Transition Spire Details • Wheel size: 29"
• Travel: 170 (r) / 170mm (f)
• Frame material: aluminum or carbon
• 62.5 or 63-degree head angle
• 12 x 148mm rear spacing
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL, XXL
• Aluminum Spire: $3,699 - $5,399; $2,299 frame only
• Carbon Spire: $5,899 - $6,599; $3,299 frame only
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transitionbikes.com There are three different complete aluminum models, with prices ranging from $3,699 up to $5,399. No matter the model, all bikes have Schwalbe's Magic Mary / Big Betty Super Trail tires, a OneUp dropper post, and a OneUp bash guide.
The same frame details found on the Patrol are carried over to the Spire, including a straight 1.5” head tube that opens up the door for riders to experiment with reach or angle adjust headsets, or a dual crown fork. There's room for a water bottle inside the front triangle, accessory mounts under the top tube, and a threaded bottom bracket.
The Spire has a touch less leverage rate progression than the Patrol (23% vs. 24%), but that number should still allow it to easily accommodate a coil or air shock. Speaking of shocks, it's possible to run a 205 x 60mm shock rather than the 205 x 65mm version that's spec'd in order to drop the amount of travel down to 160mm.
The carbon frame has tube-in-tube routing for the derailleur and dropper post housing, with external routing for the rear brake, and the alloy frame uses foam sleeves to help keep housing rattle at bay. There's also molded rubber seatstay, chainstay, and downtube protection, and SRAM's Universal Derailleur Hanger.
GeometryLike the Patrol, the Spire has a two geometry options that are adjusted via a flip chip at the lower shock mount. In the lower position the head angle is 62.5-degrees, which makes this the slackest bike in Transition's lineup, the TR11 downhill bike included. Reach numbers range from 430 – 535mm, and all sizes have steep seat tube angles with short seat tubes that make it possible to run longer dropper posts. Sizes S-L have 446 or 448 chainstays depending on the flip chip position, and then the XL and XXL sizes get longer, 452 or 454mm chainstays to help maintain an appropriate front to rear center balance.
Ride ImpressionsEarlier this year I was able to get in a few rides on the Patrol and on the Spire, enough time to get a form some initial impressions of the handling similarities and differences.
On both bikes, the slack head angle does mean the steering feels a little heavy while climbing, but because of the steep seat angle you don't get that unweighted, floppy feeling that would have been present in the past, back when bikes had slack seat angles and short front centers. The Patrol and Spire are obviously very slack, and they're not going to be the bike for mellower terrain, but there's also no reason you can't get up some techy climbs with them.
With the Patrol, the cornering is what really stood out. The very low bottom bracket and the smaller back wheel help create a bike that lives to blast through turns, the faster the better. It jumps well too – it's a little more eager to get off the ground than the Spire, and it has more of a goof-off-ability to it. You know those videos of UK riders snaking their way down some muddy rut track hidden in the woods? That's who the Patrol is for.
The Spire has a bigger presence on the trail, and while it's no slouch in the corners, it's on the steeps where it feels the most at home. The sense of security it delivers on those portions of trail that feel you're like dropping into an elevator shaft is impressive; the way it tames fall-line plunges had me on the hunt for even longer and rowdier descents.
Downsides? Well, that low bottom bracket height and the 165mm cranks aren't going to be for everyone. Even with those short cranks I still hit my pedals occasionally, and in really rocky areas that could get annoying. The alloy models I rode also aren't the lightest bikes, although that faded to the background pretty quickly.
Overall, both bikes almost seem like they escaped the laboratory a little early; there's sort of a wild, slightly unrefined air to them. I like that trait – it's a nice change from the bikes that incrementally push boundaries a millimeter at a time. We're working on getting one in for some longer term testing - keep an eye out for that review later in the summer.
This is great news, and gives me hope for future bike releases as well
Super stoked on the lineup, hopefully next year will be the one I can replace my '17 Patrol with something!
Two questions, if you have the time:
I LOVE that you're doing alloy builds again. It brings your bikes back into the price bracket I can afford. Can you spill some of the beans on if you're expecting to continue this trend back through the most of/the rest of your lineup over time?
Any idea when the Factory demos going to start back up? I'm local-ish, and would love to give some of these bikes a ride, as I'm still trying to find what geo works best for me, and what size (I'm between L and XL, at 6'1" barefoot, with a long inseam).
Tell me more about these 'wanted rock strikes' again ?
Am i being hooked yet again, old tech only to be bamboozled with new numbers.:/
Ok I get it if in stock and I need I buy.
Poor choice of example, since the day Apple starts promotion of a new product, is the same day it’s available.
That doesn’t speak to leaks, etc.
But yes, the purple huckleberry is pretty
Look at Trek and the session and intense with the DH bike.
lighter Weight from carbon is generally about agility, stiffness and efficiency(pedaling)
Heavier bikes, ride like absolute tanking monster trucks.
If you havnt, ride an Ebike they just plow an jump well due to the way the suspension works with the weight.
However as we are seeing lately - Well designed alloy bikes are very stiff and many Pros are choosing alloy.
Seems a bit inconsistent not to mention the weight of a 36lb mid-travel bike.
I think they made a lighter version of the Spire frame, out of some form of fibrous composite based on a little-known element called... I forget what it was, but anyway the point is, other bikes already exist with a higher weight priority. Even from the same company... and even under the same model name.
Side note - that Madonna's a gorgeous bike regardless - did you end up selling yours?
Had a 2013 Spesh Enduro 29 with 355mm BB (150mm travel): Bike was way ahead of it's time, rode so well. I don't think I ever had an OTB in 3 years of racing dozens of races at a high level.
Switched to a 2016 YT Jeffsy 29 with 340mm BB (140mm travel): Had 2 of the biggest crashes of my life in the first 6 months from hitting something with my pedal at high speed. Bent a crank and damaged my back the first time, broke a handlebar the other time. In both cases I never even registered what I hit, and had no hope of controlling the crash, the bike stops dead while you fly ahead, head under heels, at 30-40kph. Over forked the bike by 20mm and reduced the crank length to rectify the danger, still hit my pedals all the time and broke a chainring clean off the spider once, plenty of near misses from high speed pedal strikes.
I currently have a mulleted 27.5 E-Bike which massively raised the BB: BB is at 360mm which I assumed would feel like crap... I can barely feel any negative aspect to it, the bike is massively improved overall thanks to the bigger wheel and slack headangle. Big bonus is I can do impossible climbs all day long.
I originally ordered a revel rail , but I canceled it because I rewalized there were no iscg tabs to mount a bash guard.
Immediate deal breaker on the east coast in my opinion
I too randomly flew over the bars recently when my bash guard caught a rock so hard on my Evo, and that's in the 'high' position.
What I'd like to see is adjustable BB height with a true high & low position instead of low & lower.
Also, different crank lengths for different sized riders makes sense, and your weight should be on the outside pedal through turns anyways, so then different BB heights based on bike size only makes sense to have the same overall turning feel between different sizes/ crank lengths.
If I rode a lot more undulating terrain, I think the low bb would eventually drive me nuts, as would the steep ST angle, but if that's what I predominantly rode then I wouldn't have bought the bike. I live in winch-and-plummet territory with occasional trail rides; for me, the geo is pretty much perfect.
+ corners
+ manuals
+ airtime
- uphill over anything tech
- bash is a must and replaced 1 per year
- only alloy cranks ( not minus, just u will smash them all of the time)
- rocky terrain downhill ( u will hit soonner or later no matter how u accurate)
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A low bb drawback may not only be pedal strikes, but also stuffing your chainring into stuff.
I ride a 28t 1x11 with 10-42 cassette - no issues.
I´d NOT trade my Madonna for something with a higher BB though. Lots of benefits...
But hey. This is about TR lol
I haven't ridden too many bikes with varying BB heights
What do you mean "varying BB heights"?
www.mtbr.com/threads/long-shocking-original-smuggler.1088425
www.pinkbike.com/news/nicolai-mojo-geometron-first-ride-2015.html
Glad to see Transition bringing more awareness to the geometry some of us have been enjoying for years now.
In the last decade I've dropped to 352mm for general riding with a pedal smack here and there in San Diego. I can't imagine navigating East Coast twisty gnar without some significant bashing.
What's the current long/low/slack limit of an everyday trailbike's geo these days in New England?
So that Enduro BB height of 354 is boulder-friendly.
I run 165's on my bike (27.5+ on 29") and haven't looked back.
No loss of power, way more clearance and less staggered when up on 'em descending.
Crankset SRAM X01 Eagle, DUB, S1:165mm, S2-S5: 170mm, S6: 175mm
Am I missing something?
www.specialized.com/us/en/s-works-stumpjumper-evo/p/175267?color=281656-175267&searchText=96321-0001
I've always used offset bushes the way they are meant - to shorten the shock.
But ok, overshock or overfork the bike in that case. To be honest 350mm is the magic number for me, but on my bikes, with my tyres, you need something closer to -20mm BB drop to achieve that, and the bike having 170mm of travel would not reassure me.
Wouldn’t be a daily rider for me but I’d love to throw a leg over one and ride some steeps!!
Any chance of sharing what an XXL carbon Spire frame weighs with shock? My XL G1 is monstrous. Shaving off a few pounds might be the reason to switch.
Instant GOD on on every run. That thing had some butch tires, big brakes, and was still cassetted for uphill. it changed my whole perception of mountain biking. Could do no wrong. Endless fun. Like mountain bike heroin. I felt bad for the others bangin on 45lb downhill rental rigs. I'm careful to stay away from a modern downhill bike now, Id be hooked for good. Meanwhile no enduro ive ridden since give me the same wings. Riding the old hardtail is a toil fest now. freakin diggin around in the bank account to get a transition...
I want to ride muddy rut tracks hidden in the woods and feel invincible on super-steep trails.
$3,400 is a chunk of change, but both the Spire and Enduro are $350 less than the SC Megatower frame, which is now looking very long in the tooth compared to Transition and Specialized's offerings in this category.
Hi there,
Unfortunately, I do not have info specific to what coil shocks work/fit on a 2020/2021 Enduro. We do not spec a coil on any models of the Enduro and have not tested the Enduro frame with any coil shocks so I cannot advise on this. Any riders out in the field that have installed a coil on their 2020+ Enduro have done so on their own volition. If a rider were to install a coil shock and some sort of issues arose with the frame's suspension mounts (IE cracking around the shock links, etc), it would not be covered under warranty.
Have a good one!
-Colin
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Description: Hi, which coil shocks are compatible with the 2021 Enduro? I'm considering the Cane Creek DB Kitsuma, DVO Jade X, or Fox DHX2. Thank you.
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This would mean that the steerer tube is just larger at the top allowing for larger tubes, it's not 1 1/8" all over... Please correct me if I'm wrong!
The ability to switch between mullet and full 29 would be great, but perhaps the Patrol's CS length is more suited to the 27in rear?
I reckon we need a geometry table for the Spire in mullet mode then - what d'ya say @TransitionBikeCompany ?
XL reach is 510 for Spire and XL reach is 535 for G1
Lets not get crazy lol
Transition Spire 1.05%
Why spend money on marketing for a product you cant even sell?
Even with them it’s FC/RC ratio is still pretty high. It’s the same in size large as Transitions own Sentinel, the Norco Sight, and my Kona Process 153.
IMO, Chainstay lengths should be viewed as a percentage/ratio of the front center. And because this bike has both huge reach, and a crazy slack HTA, this makes the front center pretty large.
I just did the math on its FC/RC ratio, and compared it to other popular bikes in the similar categories, because I was curious. For reference, its (Wheelbase - chainstay length)/Chainstay length. And larger numbers mean the rider has to shift their weight forward more actively to weight the front wheel.
All in Size L (or its equivalent, like P3, S4, whatever):
Transition Spire: 1.88
Specialized Enduro: 1.88
Privateer 161: 1.87
Norco Sight: 1.87
Transition Sentinel: 1.87
Kona Process 153: 1.86
Kona Process X: 1.85
Propain Spindrift: 1.84
GG Gnarvana: 1.83
Raaw Madonna V2: 1.82
RM Altitude: 1.79
Most of this is from a huge geo chart I keep as I learn about bikes I'd like to demo/maybe buy. So most of those are in their long chainstay settings if they have adjustments, as an FYI.
But that means even with its long chainstays, you have to actively weight the front end on the Spire MORE than all of those other bikes, just because of that super slack HTA.
Which is a super long winded way of saying "they may look long, but it looks like it needs them for balancing out the even longer front".
Totally agree. The FC/RC number isn't all telling. But its been useful for me as I try to compare not entirely similar bikes, and try to wrap my head around the differences.
But you're right, you'd think a longer reach would naturally weight the front more as well. FWIW, all of the bikes I listed above have reach numbers in about the same range (470-490mm). So they should be fairly comparable, ish.
Yeah, what I find is really interesting, is when you go through and read all the reviews on the various bikes, some trends tend to appear, even in just the language used to describe them. And often it seems to correlate with how well they balance.
Like the RM Altitude, Propain Spindrift, and Raaw Madonna V2 are often seem to be described as "easy", "confident", or "natural" to ride. While the Specialized Enduro, Privateer 161, and Process X (in short chainstays), as more "demanding" or "aggressive" bikes.
Have you read the enduro-mtb article on enduro race bikes, and how they were slower on bikes with more lopsided FC/RC values (like the new Meta AM)? I kind of assume you have, considering the comment, but figured I'd mention it just in case
I, couldn’t resist, and looked up the numbers real quick.
1409mm wheelbase, 450mm chainstays == FC/RC ratio of 2.13
And for reference an XL commencal Meta AM is 2.03. So the doughnut is out there, but we are pretty close on some bikes already.
I've had my alpine for a little bit and it rails so hard, haven't hit the chain ring on things i've chickened out on.
The damn thing borders on a perfect bike with it's value, geo and versatility. The low BBs are about the only minor drawback - they do make you feel like a badass on the corners though,
- 435mm chain-stays are probably appropriate for size S and M, bigger sizes need longer chain stays to remain in balance and aside from me preferring longer stays (I ride size L) it seems that the industry is starting to take this path of longer stays at least for the bigger sizes. While I could be wrong, assuming that a growing portion of the industry if also wrong seems ever so less likely.
- Take MX bikes and geos haven't really changed in the last 10, even 15 years and all the major players have bikes with geos within 0.5deg and few mm here and there so it seems that blanket statements worked out pretty well for them.
Once proper geo is figured out most brands will fall into the same thing and I bet you that now that HA, SA and Reach have been figured out the industry will now move on to proportionality of back/front end and across sizes.
i have several bikes and it takes awhile to get used to some longer ones again as it requires more effort to get the bike to do anything..
29ers = short stays please.
27.5 go long because it works.
It's ok to be wrong dude. grow up a little maybe might help you?
I had to giggle "compare strava times" are you like 10? if you're hardcore into strava then you might aswell forget about coming because you'd be wasting our time.
You can talk shit about how "fast you crash" on PB all you want but when you're ready to come play with the adults, come to Austria and join us on the tour.
Would you guys just drop this squabble? Every time you write a reply, the rest of is get a notification. Enough is enough guys :-)
Hallio, put yourself back in your corner with your building blocks and let the grown ups talk - as i said, come to austria - otherwise just shut up man, you obviously have no idea.
Check that out here: www.transitionbikes.com/SBG_EffectiveSeattube.cfm
Per size, we make an estimation of saddle height, then measure based off of that point. We know in the world of bike geo, many brands measure differently, so this was our way of trying to find the most accurate number based off how it will be ridden.
So a large spire is being measured at 720 = to a 28 inseam that's off my man IMO. the sizing chart on your bike is saying 5'10-6'2 . I would say 28 inseam is someone at 5'7-5'9
6ft rider with 720 seat height is not common I think. unless we are measuring gorillas ( just a joke )
I think for the rider on a large is going to run a higher saddle height which = slacker angle
Just saying....... beautiful bike though and the craftmanship looks great but STA is off IMO
www.bansheebikes.com/titan
This is the proper way to measure and provide REAL seat angle numbers. VitalMTB debunk a bunch of brands giving faulty STA (check it out). I just want transparency from bike brands and that's clearly not the case. You should really know what your buying
Cheers
What we really wanna know is, when are you dropping your ebike?
it's a nonsensical reason
Its really not a ridiculous scenario for anyone who races, maybe you just don't ride that hard and never crash.