Review: 2023 Propain Tyee CF

Aug 4, 2023 at 12:59
by Mike Kazimer  
The Tyee has been in Propain's lineup for over a decade, where it sits as the brand's all-mountain / enduro option, positioned between the Hugene trail bike and Spindrift freeride machine. The most recent version launched earlier this year with revised geometry and frame updates designed to increase its strength and stiffness.

Propain's online configurator means that there are numerous ways to build up a Tyee, but no matter what the final result will have 160mm of rear travel courtesy of Propain's PRO10 dual-link suspension design. The wheel size options vary depending on the frame size – sizes S – M are available with dual 27.5” wheels, and sizes M – XL are available with either a mixed-wheel or full 29” setup.
Tyee Details

• Wheel size: 29" or mixed (tested)
• Carbon frame
• Travel: 160mm (r) / 170mm fork
• 64º head angle
• 77.1º seat tube angle
• 445mm chainstays (size L)
• Sizes: XS, S, M, L, XL
• Weight: 33.9 lb / 15.4 kg (size L)
• Price: $6,614 USD

For this review I was aboard the mixed wheel, carbon-framed option, with a 170mm fork. Build kit highlights include a RockShox Zeb Ultimate, a SuperDeluxe Ultimate shock, SRAM Code RSC brakes, a SRAM X0 T-type drivetrain, and Newmen Evolution SL A30 wheels.

bigquotesI'd describe its trail manners as energetically neutral - it's peppy enough to get airborne off smaller obstacles without a struggle, but the overall handling feel is calm and balanced. Mike Kazimer


Frame Details

The overall look of the Tyee hasn't changed much from the previous version – the shock still sits in front of the seat tube, where it's sandwiched between two short links. The main changes to the carbon frame were increased tire clearance, a lower standover height, and thru-headset cable routing. Two out of those three details are improvements, and the third, well, I'm still confused as to why it's a thing.

Propain's take on thru-headset cable routing has the housing running underneath the front of the stem and through a rubber grommet; compared to the versions with ports in the headset top cap this should help keep water out. Stainless steel headset bearings are used to further reduce the amount of maintenance the headset will need. The frame's pivot bearings are also well sealed, with a secondary rubber grommet in place to prevent mud and grit from getting in.

Bolts have been added to the underside of the top tube to hold a tube or tool, although it'll need to be a pretty tiny attachment, otherwise it'll hit the water bottle. New chainslap protection has been added that has raised hollow rubber rectangles to keep any noise to a minimum.

The cable routing around the bottom bracket area was also updated – the derailleur and brake line now run next to the lower shock link, rather than underneath the frame.




Geometry & Sizing

The Tyee's multiple possible configurations means there are several different geometry accompanying geometry charts. The majority of my time was spent with the flip chip in the high position, the recommended setting for a mixed-wheel setup. That gives it a 64.1-degree head angle, 77.1-degree seat angle, and a 475mm reach for a size large with 445mm chainstays.


Suspension Design

The Tyee has a progressive leverage ratio curve that allows it to work well with either an air or coil shock. It's slightly less progressive than before, with a lower starting leverage ratio that puts the percent change at 21.9% rather than the 25.9% found on the previous model. The anti-squat level has been lower slightly too, and is now 113% at sag. That number increases for the first half of the Tyee's travel before dropping off sharply.


Price $6614
Travel 160mm
Rear Shock RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate
Fork RockShox Zeb Ultimate 170mm
Headset Acros ZS56 / ZS56
Cassette SRAM X0 Transmission, 10-52 tooth
Crankarms SRAM X0 T-Type
Rear Derailleur SRAM AXS X0 T-Type
Chain SRAM X0 T-Type
Shifter Pods SRAM AXS
Handlebar Sixpack Millenium 805 (20mm rise)
Stem SixPack Millenium 35 ICR
Brakes SRAM Code RSC
Wheelset Newman Evolution SL A30
Tires Maxxis Assegai / DHR II, DD rear, EXO+ front
Seat SQLab
Seatpost RockShox AXS Reverb, 170mm



Test Bike Setup

It's possible to build up the Tyee to be more of an all-mountain machine by selecting a 160mm fork and a lighter parts kit, or to push it more into the enduro realm with a 170mm fork. That's the option I went with, knowing that there were bike park laps and plenty of rough trails in its future.

I tried the Tyee with both a SuperDeluxe air and coil, and ended up preferring the feel and adjustability of the air shock. 185 psi put me right at 30% sag. I ran 55 psi in the RockShox Zeb with half of a Bottomless Token installed for that Goldilocks 'just right' level of bottom out resistance.

Propain included a 35mm and a 50mm SixPack stem for me to try, but unfortunately there's no 40mm option in SixPack's line, and the special headset spacers under the stem mean that it's not possible to swap it out for another brand's stem. I ended up switching out the headset top cap in order to be able to run the stem I wanted, a procedure that required undoing the rear brake line, further cementing my conviction that thru-headset cable routing is silly.

2022 Trail Bike Field Test photo by Satchel Cronk.
Mike Kazimer
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Height: 5'11" / 180cm
Inseam: 33" / 84cm
Weight: 160 lbs / 72.6 kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @mikekazimer

I've had the Tyee in regular use for the last three months, and it's accompanied me on dry dusty laps in Pemberton, multiple days in the Whistler Bike Park, and on numerous rides around Bellingham, Washington.



The efficiency of Propain's Pro10 suspension design is one of its hallmarks, and that trait continues with the Tyee. Propain did reduce the anti-squat slightly compared to the previous version, but that's done little to reduce its climbing abilities. There are enduro bikes out there that deliver more climbing traction (the new Ibis HD6 comes to mind), but there aren't many 160mm bikes that have the Tyee's level of climbing support. Even with a coil shock the back end remains impressively calm, and there's really no need to reach for the climb switch, unless you're looking for something to do while spinning up a smooth road.

As far as the actual climbing position goes, the steep actual and effective seat tube angles create an upright and centered position. It seems like the race to create the steepest seat angle possible has subsided, with most long travel options settling in the 77-78 degree range, and for good reason. That number keeps the seated climbing position from feeling too stretched out, while still remaining rideable on mellower terrain. I have a fairly flat gravel road approach to my local trails and never felt like the Tyee's geometry was putting too much pressure on my hands.

On tight, awkward climbs the Tyee remains manageable. It has the calmer handling you'd expect from an enduro bike, but it doesn't feel overly sluggish or lethargic. The 34-pound weight is quite reasonable, especially considering that that's with mainly aluminum components, a DoubleDown rear tire, and a Zeb – it wouldn't be hard to shed some weight with a slightly less DH-oriented build.



Even with a 170mm fork the Tyee's geometry is fairly middle-of-the road for this style of bike. It's not super long and slack, or overly steep and short. I'd describe its trail manners as energetically neutral - it's peppy enough to get airborne off smaller obstacles without a struggle, but the overall handling feel is calm and balanced. I never felt like I had to fight to place it where I wanted, no matter whether I was picking my way through jumbles of pointy rocks in Pemberton, or logging some air time in Whistler.

Compared to the Commencal SX that we tested last year, another mixed wheel bike in this travel bracket, the Tyee doesn't require as much effort to manuever, likely due to the steeper head angle and shorter reach, figures that give it a 20mm shorter wheelbase.

Some of the extra-efficient feel that the Tyee demonstrated on the climbs bleeds over onto the descents, where it's not quite as beneficial. It can handle big hits with ease, and it has a nicely planted feel when touching back down to earth, but this is a bike that feels more poised than plush – it doesn't have ton of sensitivity at the beginning of its travel. I experimented with running more sag, and ran a SuperDeluxe coil shock for a while, but no matter the setting the Tyee never transformed into a plush, ultra-sensitive machine.


The Tyee's flip chip is mainly designed to allow the use of a 29” or 27.5” rear wheel while preserving the geometry, but it can also be used to create slack and very low option – with a 170mm fork the head angle drops to 63.2 degrees, and the bottom bracket feels like it's hovering just above the ground.

I took a handful of laps in the Whistler Bike Park with the Tyee in configuration and found it to be very enjoyable on high speed jump trails. The increased stability is noticeable, and the low bottom bracket height made it even easier to push into tall bermed turns. The downsides to the setting become evident almost immediately when venturing into more technical terrain – with 170mm cranks I had a number of semi-scary pedal strikes. I'd say that it's a usable option, but shorter cranks are highly recommended unless you're content to always coast on technical trails.

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Santa Cruz Nomad

How does it compare?

The Propain Tyee and the Santa Cruz Nomad aren't that far apart when it comes to geometry figures like reach and chainstay length. A size large Nomad in the low setting has a reach of 472.4mm, and the Tyee checks in at 475mm. The chainstay length is 443mm on the Nomad, and 445mm on the Tyee.

The Nomad does have 10mm more rear travel, and a head angle that's a half degree slacker. It also has a much shorter seat tube length, which makes it easier to run a long travel dropper post.

On the trail, both bikes are good climbers considering how much travel they have. The Tyee has slightly less suspension movement when climbing, but the flip side to that is the Nomad has an easier time finding traction when things are slippery.

The Nomad also does a better job of dealing with chattery sections of trail. Both bikes fall onto the more supportive side of the suspension spectrum, but the Nomad has the edge when it come to smoothing out repeated high speed hits.

When it comes to price, the Propain handily takes that match-up. The carbon Tyee frame with a Fox DHX2 coil shock is $3089 vs. $4089 for a Nomad frame with a Fox X2 shock.


Which Model is the Best Value?

If you're sticking with Propain's pre-configured parts packages, the Price2Ride option is a good deal at $4,199. That price gets you a SRAM GX drivetrain, Formula Cura 4 brakes, and a Formula suspension package.

Personally, I'd go with the alloy frame to save some money (and to not have thru-headset cable routing). With a few clicks it's possible to put together a bike with top-of-the-line RockShox suspension, Code RSC brakes, and a long travel dropper post for $4,300 US. No matter what, the level of customization Propain offers is impressive, and it's possible to put together a very good bike for the price.


Technical Report

Dropper post: The 170mm RockShox AXS electronic dropper post is quick and effective, but it's also too short for a bike like this. There's still no longer travel option either; I'd suggest going with the longer travel cable-operated options from Propain's online congfigurator and saving a couple hundred dollars at the same time. Keep in mind that the Tyee's seat tube length isn't that short, and the insertion depth is limited. I was able to run a 200mm post, but I have fairly long legs – some riders may find themselves running out of frame clearance.

Newmen SL A30 wheels: These aluminum-rimmed wheels have held up well, and they haven't even needed a trip to the truing stand yet. The freehub ratcheting noise is very subtle, which complements the Tyee's overall quiet ride nicely.

X0 Transmission: I encountered some shifting issues on my first ride on the Tyee, which ended up being caused by the derailleur rotating backwards and sitting in the incorrect position. It turned out the mounting bolt hadn't been torqued to the correct 35 Nm spec, and smooth, consistent shifting returned once I tightened it down properly. It's worth double checking that bolt if you're building up a Tyee at home to avoid any on-trail trouble.



+ Very adaptable – wide range of build options.
+ Calm and quiet.
+ Efficient pedaler, well supported suspension


- Not that plush in the rough stuff
- Taller, tapered seat tube may limit dropper options
- Thru-headset cable routing adds inconvenience

Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesThe Tyee's adaptability is its strong suit - this is a bike that can be built up for enduro racing just as easily as it can be configured for pedal-heavy missions. It has a calm and stable trail presence, and it'll handle a wide variety of terrain without much fuss. Mike Kazimer

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  • 340 19
 Gonna farm up votes here by complaining about the cable tourism
  • 52 2
 tack on the tapered seat tube that won't fit longer droppers
  • 39 9
 Downvoted out of spite.
  • 35 0
 @danielfloyd: sorry, I should have made a joke about how the headset routing on the Propain will probably get people fired up.
  • 21 4
 Add not-that-plush-in-the-rough plus shite world champs cov'g, spilled coffee, and Levy's still visiting aliens. Still wanna go off. I need a smash room & a good cry in a bubble bath
  • 31 0
 cable spelunking
  • 3 2
 Stopped reading right there!
  • 14 0
 Those product managers who pushed this crap have now pants full of it Smile
  • 66 0
 I hope they keep hearing the message.

Cable Tourism is a hard/fast "no buy" for myself, and seemingly many other people with wallets.

And I spread the knowledge wherever I can.

A buddy of mine just pinged me a few days ago about help deciding which bike to buy, and one of them was the Tyee. My first question was "which model year ", because I know he doesn't do any of his own maintenance.

Turns out it was a 2022 model (barely used), so it wasn't applicable, but his first response when I explained why I had checked, was "why on earth would a brand do that".

So yeah, people care when they know.
  • 1 0
 @scottiemill: ha ha! Me too :-(
  • 27 0
 Heaset routing and tapered seat tube are definitely the wrong propain accessories.
  • 12 0
 You don’t need to farm votes. Just keep pointing out Cable Tourism until this companies stop with this stupid trend.
  • 11 0
 I have a friend just warned not to get headet cable routing and sure enough one after buying his new bike he's changing out smashed headset bearings b/c his startnut was loose...and .already in total hate with the bike and this feature on it.

Headset cable routing: go back home. We told ya so.
  • 9 1
 I just bought this bike in the aluminum version. Specifically selected the lower tier stem so the cables would need to be routed through the frame ports instead, but they upgraded me to the fancier stem and squished those cables through the headset anyway ‍♀️.

But to be honest, propain's routing isn't that much worse than all the other manufacturers' internal routing. I've had a cane creek 40 on my banshee spitfire for the last ten seasons with no need to replace it. I have changed brakes a couple of times, and it sure is nice cutting zip ties instead of cutting the line, fishing it through, and doing an extra bleed. I wish all manufacturers ran the rear brake completely external like Banshee used to and Transition still does.

Outside of the routing drama, first ride on the bike was amazing. I was quite picky in my selection, hoping to find something that performs great from xc epics to chairlift dh, and I think I made the right choice.
  • 6 0
 *emoji was supposed to be a facepalm, lol
  • 3 0
 @sb666: Yeah, it looks like such a compelling bike otherwise. It appears to have so much going for it and then those two things kill it.
  • 1 0
 @dwbaillar: same thing here, got the “upgraded” stem and they routed through the headset. A bit annoying but I was planning to change out the brakes regardless. The other annoying part about the stock Acros headset is the steering stop, had to pry that off the fork crown in order to run a normal bottom headset race. Are there other headset options out there for a 56-56 head tube or acros only?
  • 3 0

You're lucky, or maybe just live/ride where its dry?

I'm in the PNW, and ride a lot in the wet. My Banshee Titans Banshee branded headset made it about a year before going all creaky, and thats with popping the seals and adding waterproof grease, and adding some over the top.

I popped in a Cane Creek Hellbender 70, and we'll see how long that lasts.

And at no time during that installation did I think "OH MAN, I wish I could have had to bleed the brakes now too!".
  • 6 0
 I think they went with headset cable routing to detract people from noticing that the fork decal is upside down....
  • 4 0
 @wake-n-rake: Wait, isn't this the new Rockshox BEZ fork...? Now you've pointed it out, I can't unsee it
  • 1 0
 @dwbaillar: To be fair the article states the alloy version does not have headset cable tourism so - you have probably dodged the bullet on that and I'm sure the bike rips. I have seriously tried to understand the why of headset cable routing and I simply cannot.
  • 1 0
 @switchback249: yeah, I was also surprised about the knock block. Kind of annoying, but who knows, maybe it will save a ripped out line in a crash. I would have to assume cane creek makes a 56/56 option
  • 2 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: alloy version has frame ports, but as I mentioned, it was bypassed in my build. Someone mentioned the headset routing makes sense for manufacturers to save money on their carbon layups
  • 4 0
 @ocnlogan: I'm curious what percentage of buyers this actually constitutes. Personally, I won't buy a bike with a press fit bottom bracket either. But how many buyers actually look at this in the grand scheme of things?
  • 2 0
 @vp27: Depends on a segment I think, ebikes - probably no one gives a damn, high end enduro, I would sy that quite a lot. Remember that gravity mtb (especially enduro where you have to earn your descents) customer base is more aware and not just a bunch of totally random dudes with bellys.
  • 1 0
 @dwbaillar: My bad! Blew thru that - so ya got routed thru the headset then. Im sure it's fine for starters but will ya re-route it at the 1st bleed?
  • 1 0
 @mwysel: stop twisting my melon man….
  • 1 0
 @dwbaillar: Man, I just opened my box...they did the same thing to me. Are they going to get your the right stem and headset so it can be routed externally?
  • 1 0
 @asiepielski: I haven't asked for any changes. I don't think the stem or headset are preventing you from pulling the hoses and running them through the frame ports instead. That upgraded stem is actually pretty sweet other than it allowing the headset routing thing. Mine came with normal spacers, not the goofy shaped ones shown in the review
  • 1 0
 @vp27: same here.. i used to own bikes with that, and i hated it every minute... but guess people who don't do their own maintenance might just not care enough...
  • 100 3
 Could be the sweetest bike in the world but that headset and routing monstrosity is enough to keep me away
  • 10 0
 I really wonder from a business standpoint... With bike companies fully aware that people hate cable tourism - are the cost savings really worth the risk of losing customers to a different brand that refrains from this mess? I sincerely hope that brands will soon realize their error and go back to sensible routing. I won't buy a Tyee, even though I'm a fan of the bike otherwise
  • 5 0
 @hardtailpunter: I reckon they committed to the internal cabling a couple of years ago and the following models are already designed without it.
  • 1 0
 @chakaping: Yeah, there's a lead time on bike designs so there are many more Cable (dark) Tourist bikes to come. Even if say Propain see the error of their ways after this bike, then who knows if the next model will have sensible routing.
  • 2 0
 the cheaper version has the normal cable routing....
  • 63 1
 Its a shame they don't leave holes in the Carbon frames with neat plugs to satisfy everyone. Hope they sell way more Aluminium options so they change back to normal headset routing for Carbon, cause its an awesome bang for buck bike.
  • 10 1
 yeah I went the AL version.
  • 21 1
 That would defeat the one and only reason for using cable tourism - it's cheaper to manufacture the frame without ports.
  • 17 0
 @drbino: cheese with holes is never cheaper than cheese without holes, and I never understood why Smile
  • 5 3
 @danstonQ: you typically but cheese by weight, so the same size block with holes will have higher transport, storage and handling costs, as it takes up more space for the weight.

I can only assume the same applies for carbon framed bikes...
  • 3 3
 @danstonQ: ironic comment from the frenchie!
  • 8 0
 @danstonQ: cheese, that's all you french think about
  • 3 18
flag Otago (Aug 7, 2023 at 15:01) (Below Threshold)
 @MartinKS: that, and surrendering..
  • 15 3
 @Otago: you should stop with this joke. A large part of my family was either fighting in resistance, or fighting in submarines, or dying in camp. So please, shut your f*cking mouth.
  • 3 0
 @drbino: feel like any cost savings from cheaper manufacturing won't be passed to consumer. Especially since you now have a propriety stem and headset
  • 3 0
 @MartinKS: cheese with red wine
  • 2 1
 @Otago: NZ has big problems with inbreeding. Here's a sad example once again.
  • 1 0
 @MartinKS: wrong. We also think about good food, good wine, and good sex. In other words: completely the opposite of the germans.
  • 1 1
 @danstonQ: Inbreeding? You're the ones sinking Greenpeace ships and blowing up pacific atolls..
  • 1 1
 @Otago: "we're the ones"... you mean: the 70 millions frenchies or such?
Try to elaborate an intelligent thought... if you can.
I love too, inbred
  • 1 1
 @danstonQ: Give up man.. you know you want to.
  • 1 1
 @Otago: hate fits you well. A chacun sa passion, connard.
  • 61 2
 "and the special headset spacers under the stem mean that it's not possible to swap it out for another brand's stem"

  • 55 3
 FWIW, Stainless Steel headset bearings will NOT diminish the amount of maintainence! Ss is much softer than high carbon steel, and thus in a headset application, will get pitted and indexed from the constant point loading from the impact of the front wheel. It simply isnt the panacia people think it is.
  • 46 1
 so pitted
  • 4 1
 @rickybobby19: PWWWAAAH! pitted

so timeless
  • 1 0
 Never thought about that
  • 9 0
 True story. At the end of the day sealing and the amount if grease inside and around the bearing will determine how long a headset lasts. And the frame tolerances, but nobody is ever talking about that either. #mysterious
  • 39 0
 Could be really nice bike, but tnx to the headset cable routing its another hard pass.
  • 38 0
 That stem and cable routing looks like when Darth Vaders helmet is removed before he dies in “Return of the Jedi”
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  • 13 0
 spoiler alert lol
  • 8 0
 @fakeendurobro: being a guy who primarily rides alone in the desert, I wasn’t sure what the etiquette was on a ~40 year old movie haha
  • 30 0
 Props to @mikekazimer for these thorough reviews. I feel like it wasn't too long ago where you'd only get the top end build kit in a review and no real mention of how the bike compares to others in its category. Also appreciate the "best value" sections on these reviews.
  • 6 0
 Also not too long ago, the cable tourism was preached by the press (I mean I understand the pressure the brands might have put to push this horrendous trend coming from the shaved legs). All in all, we are heading in the right direction and indeed, the recent reviews are proposing a refreshing perspective !
  • 26 0
 Fork decal backward? Headset routing - I can't handle this
  • 1 0
 I'm not the biggest on OCD,but backward/upside down decals get to my nerves more than it should.
  • 3 1
 It might be a German thing. I have some German books at the house and all the writing on the spines is bottom to top.
  • 3 0
 I had to look at my Zeb. Right leg the decal is ZEB, left leg the decal is BEZ.
  • 2 0
 @TwoNGlenn: Nope it's not. I mean you're kind of right with the books. At least on most of them. But that's about it. The Decal is just wrong.
  • 1 0
 @FaahkEet: leaving work immediately to go check zeb at home, thank you
  • 14 0
 160mm rear wheel travel from a 210x55mm shock seems like it is asking A LOT. @mikekazimer any thoughts on how this bike would ride for someone in the 190-200lb range? I'm worried that a 2.91:1 LR would mean massive PSI is required and that the shocks damping would easily be overwhelmed.

For comparison, I struggled with support on a Specialized Enduro and a DPX2 shock (170mm rear travel with 60mm stroke... ~2.83:1 LR)

Any thoughts?
  • 2 1
 Main reason I won't be buying a Propane.
  • 2 0
 Another interesting thing is that with that much travel and short stroke it could be too soft at some point or too stiff at another point of travel.
I’m surprised they don’t use a 60mm for 160
  • 3 0
 look up their setup guide. Last time I was buying a bike I took a look at Propain but unfortunately I would have been past the PSI limit
  • 1 0
 Switch to coil, better ride and a lot of support when find your right coil Wink
  • 4 0
 @Captramrod01: The Spindrift doesn’t have this issue.
  • 2 0
 @Captramrod01: yep.
Propane is highly compressible.
  • 1 0
 I’ve learned that Spesh bikes are not the most supportive, especially their shock tunes. I’ve always had issues with bottoming out easily. Wouldn’t say the issue is shock size.
  • 7 0
 not sure about the advantage of an electronic dropper as opposed to the simple pneumatic design? Seems like this coupled with the cable routing makes for problems on the horizon.
  • 23 2
 I have a problem with not charging my phone till it’s pretty much dead. I don’t put gas in my car till it’s almost empty. I’m obviously not responsible enough to make sure my dropper post is charged before a bike ride.
  • 3 0
 I suppose if you are running Sram's new transmission drivetrains, the matching pods on the handle bars would be a nice touch? Especially since you could customize button configs across both pods.

Not me, though. I'm happier with cables.
  • 1 1
 Before deciding I'd have to know how the cable for the dropper is routed past the shock. Maybe the electronic dropper is on there for a reason.
  • 10 0
 Yeah plastic spacers and specific stem, what a combi!
  • 6 0
 @mikekazimer: what specifically in the suspension design do you think is responsible for the less than supple ride on repeated hits?
  • 7 2
 I just built up a Spindrift 27.5 Cf and it is the best bike I have ever rode. Climbs crazy well, descends like an absolute beast, and feels super poppy and playful. Propain's Pro10 suspension is awesome.
  • 12 4
 Does Propain sell any accessories?
  • 6 1
 So you would like to pay 100 bucks more to have worse brakes? Suspension I get, it's mainstream brand, but I'd take the formula brakes over those codes R 100% of teh time.
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 Whoops meant to up vote, sorry
  • 3 0
 Decent bike. I’d agree that it’s more of an allrounder than a pure shred sled, but it’s probably a better bike for it - for most riders anyways. Sure, there’s some little quirks and sizing options are a bit limited. But overall there’s very little to complain, especially for the price. And props to Propain for selling a frameset.
  • 2 0
 Great review, I managed to do a quick ride on the carbon price to ride one and I was at 33% sag more or less, I didn’t felt it was too “stiff up the top” for sure more than my Offering with the Push coil, although I liked it a lot and for that reason complained with the very engineer that thought about that stupid cable tourism, shame, it could’ve been an amazing bike!
  • 3 1
 The only thing I don't love about my Tyee is the long seatube limiting the dropper I can use. 5'11" and riding a size large. Would love to run a 175mm dropper, but it's just too tall. Can only run a 150 unfortunately. Otherwise, it's the best bike I've owned by far.
  • 2 0
 That was the main reason that I skipped on a Tyee when I bought an enduro bike last year. I need a longer dropper than it can do.
  • 2 0
 @geeves Any bike that forces me to run even 20mm less dropper travel is going up for sale immediately. If you ride anything steep, being able to lower your center of mass is way more important for confidence and bike handling than any other component on the bike. I'd rather run a hardtail with 200mm of dropper travel than the best Enduro rig with only 150mm of travel.
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 @fentoncrackshell: I dunno man, I live and ride the North Shore and the Sea-2-sky for 20 years. I'm not a novice rider... I find it works fine for me. Ideally this bike would have a 175mm dropper, but I have no real issues with the 150 tbh. I ride everything on the shore, it's never been a limiter. And you don't ride these lines on a hardtail.
  • 3 0
 Headset routed internal cables are AWESOME! The will likely increase the value of my used bike with normal cable routing, which will likely become a hot item in the next few years in the collecter set.
  • 1 0
 If "frame height" means seat tube length, then they are a bit on the long side.
Otherwise it looks like a great bike - and the cheaper Formula suspension could be really good.
The Mod shock works really well and the soft CTS valve could address your observation about the firm ride feel @mikekazimer
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 Thru Headset hatred aside (you know there is more to a bike than cable routing...) I have to give major props to Propain. At least on the pricing perspective. I've yet to test the Tyee myself, but it's on my short list and all the time I waste dream building my "next" bike, I have yet to find a brand that comes close to the spec per dollar offering from Propain. Take Kaz's closest bike comparison in the article: the Nomad. The frame alone is $1k more and if you spec them as close as you can, lets say the XO AXS Nomad CC and Carbon Tyee with Fox factory all over, Newman Carbon hoops, etc (leave the cockpit debate alone) You get:

Nomad for $8400
Tyee for $6830

I'm no math teach but that's enough to buy your buddy a hardtail. What is Propain's side business?? Propane?
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 Direct-to-consumer pricing...
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 @FloImSchnee: some 40% of the industry is direct to consumer. That doesn't explain it. Is it the direct to consumer only model?
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 @gossman: of course that is the explanation.

There is no margin for the middle man, the local bikeshop.

DTC brands are almost always considerably cheaper than brick-and-mortar brands.
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 I have the previous version and I love it. There re a few issues with fit and finish, but overall there is very little to complain about.
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 Glad to see more brands speccing newmen wheels. They're insanely good, especially for the price.
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 I had the newman eg30. After 30 days of riding, both rims are dinged beyond sealing tubeless anymore. While the front hub bearings are running pretty rough, the rear hub bearings are completely done. As for value, around here they cost exactly the same as dt swiss ex1700 for which I now swapped the newmans out. Remains to be seen if they hold up. Stans flow ex3 held up 3 years so far and counting.
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 @anchovies: Interesting. I destroyed several sets of wheels including ex1700s and Stans Flow ex3s, and the Newmens have resisted everything I've thrown at them. I also got the Newmens on sale for much cheaper than I could find anything else comparable.
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 Meh. I’m a bit lukewarm about them honestly. Had some not-so-great experiences with the SL EG30. They weren’t as reliable as I had hoped.
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 Meh, I like my bikes to energetically evil.

PS @mikekazimer "energetically neutral" is top notch terminology.
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 Wireless brakes will tidy things up completely
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 Don't need it but I want it. Waiting to see if they do anything worthwhile to the Hugene besides cable tourism/new colors. My 21 Hugene has been an ideal trail bike otherwise.
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 Newmen wheels++. Sqlabs seat++. Headset cable routing—————————————. That’s even worse than super boost
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 Newmen wheels and Sqlabs seats are really nice - what makes you put them in the same sentence as headset routing?
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 @hardtailpunter: the + says they are good. The - means bad. Maybe that doesn’t translate. Great wheels and seats. Bad headset routing.
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 @Frank191: totally missed that, cheers
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 It's a lot of money but 6.6k for full axs and top of the line suspension is a hell of a deal considering other bikes with similar specs go double that nowadays
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 Remember when they used to show the video of the suspension cycling as part of the review? That was good.
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 I got one of the last 2022 frames and absolutely love my AL Tyee. DVO Jade X in the rear and a fox 36 coil conversion up front
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 jump/trail in that last photo - galbraith?
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 SST Alt, Galbraith.
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 Still a little lacking in the reach department, medium should be 460mm, cable routing vastly improved from the middle of the bike to the rear but shockingly bad idea to enter it through the headset, that's a real love/hate combo. Maybe by the next model they'll get it right.
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 You better keep dreaming, brands are dropping off the long reach train thankfully. i dont need 490 reach on a size large(based on the fact if a medium has 460ish )
I've ridden many bikes over the last couple of years to find what i like, Longer reach bikes sure go down fast fire roads well. but on trail that 475-480 reach is spot on, couple it with longer CS and its golden.
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 @HeatedRotor: Depends on where you fall on the range, not necessarily what the size is called. I'm 5'10" and I prefer a 460mm reach. I don't care if its on medium, large, or extra small really.
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 @HeatedRotor: competly agree!!
430ish for S 450ish for M 470ish for L and so on with proper stack is the optimum.
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 @plustiresaintdead: exactly that. My ideal reach is around 490. Sometimes I'm lucky with a size L or size XL, sometimes I am between sizes, but it wouldn't blame that on the "long reach train"
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 @HeatedRotor: Dude, you might wanna sit down for this because I’m about to blow your mind: There are people out there who are taller than you and thus need larger bikes. Crazy, right?!
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 @hardtailpunter: Same here. After quite a bit of experimenting with reach numbers, both long and short, I’ve settled on 490-495mm as ideal for me. Unfortunately that doesn’t exactly leave one with a ton of options, as most size Large bikes seem a little to small while most XL bikes are a little on the long side.
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 @Muscovir: larges have zero reason to be 490, however id be happy to see a mid size between a proper large and an current XL's.

I was Preaching about long reach for ages, untill i went back the other way a little... i went from a Large Slash at 488 to a Rocky altitude at about 475 ish - Other than the rocky's suspension being waaay better the position on that bike was excellent, you could move around on it so much more - i recently picked up a giga frame and built it, 475 reach, feels so damn good.

Last weekend i rode a friends Meta with 490 reach, I was so stretched out it was hard to do anything sensible except the plow trails at the bike park.( we swapped bikes, hes the same height) - hes now selling it for a bike with less reach.

Many brands have relaxed their Reaches a little (especially in L) that doesnt happen "just because"

But again I always see you gearing for an arguement in comments so im sure youll tell me and the bike industry they are wrong.
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 @HeatedRotor: how tall are you? I certainly see the merits of a shorter bike, but I also like the stability of a longer reach & wheelbase
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 @hardtailpunter: 6ft, on the dot, right in the middle of larges.
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 Curious if the choice of alternative headset caps is limited to the plastic Acros shown in the Tyee product page or if there are other aluminum compatible alternatives.
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 You can run any regular headset cap.
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 @zimtsticker: and you run all axs and no rear brake?
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 @nicoenduro: How is that related to the headset cap?? Unless OP is actually talking about the plastic stem spacers. So far there's no alternatives for those as far as I know.
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 @zimtsticker: my bad. i made a mistake and i guess, by the comment, he ( @reimaru ) meant not the top cap, but the headset cover
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 @zimtsticker: Canyon uses the same Acros headset with the plastic top cap. They are compatible with headset routing but luckily the frames take cables, so you can convert to metal and fix the problem permanently.

ALL of these creak. All of them and it is awful. I am baffled how they dont find this out during testing. Very skeptical of this headset even without the cable routing, because I will avoid plastic headsets (mainly acros) at all costs...
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 The alloy version is a bargain and would also be my choice. Good review.
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 On the top of my short list!!
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 I'd personally go with the Aluminum version, but they both look like great bikes.
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 Nice bike, I bet its great....but so are so many others. No frame storage is a deal breaker for me now.
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 Propain bikes are a really good value TBH
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 Yo Mike, Newman = Newmen and there´s a typo near "the there were shuttle laps" (Test Bike Setup -> line 5).
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 Gah, I must have been thinking of Newman from Seinfeld. That's been corrected.
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 @mikekazimer: I can't not think about Newman from Seinfeld when reading about that wheel manufacturer
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 I've always wanted to try cutting my volume spacer in half, @mikekazimer any tips you can share?
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 A hacksaw is really all you need - the plastic is pretty soft.
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 Cable tourism AND mIxEd WheElz……winner
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 Please, @mikekazimer @brianpark , if there is an important geometry number that is not in the manufacturer's chart, like maximum seatpost insertion depth, please measure it and MENTION THE VALUE IN THE REVIEW. Don't keep it a secret. Or better yet, here's a standard email you can copy to almost every bike manuf that sends you a bike for review:

"Dear (xxx),
Thank you for sending us your brand new xxxxx bicycle. We will test it thoroughly and write an honest review. When reviewing the geometry chart for this model, we noticed a few missing essential values. Can you please provide us with the following numbers for all available sizes, so we can include them in our review article:
-Actual seat tube angle
-Maximum dropper post insertion depth

Kind regards, the Pinkbike technical editors"
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 That is so true. Damn I wonder when they will finally realize it's about insertion depth and not about seat tube length - since quite some years actually.
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 There is a section "Seatposts" here where you can find your minimun inseam height for quite some posts-frame size combinations.

The Tyee lacks 1-2 inches of insertion depth - even with its seat tube being around 1 inch to tall.
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 Better yet, all review bikes should be measured in house. I’ve always been curious about the differences between claimed and actual geometry numbers.
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 @mtb-daniel: That is actually a pretty good table. Take notice, @bikeindustry!
It also shows that for this bike, the seat tube length is only relevant for short people that want to run short posts.
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 Dear Mike and photoghapher: Those photos are some sexy stuff Wink Good work!
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 i'm waiting for the big two to come out with internal fork brake cable routing
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 Glad to see more brands speccing newmen wheels.
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 You're telling me that the chinese kids assembling that SRAM derailler in the back of their shed didn't use a torque wrench?
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