Shimano's Deore M6100 12-speed drivetrain brings much of the technology found on their flagship XTR components down to a very reasonable pricepoint. In fact, you can get the entire group – derailleur, shifter, cranks, and cassette, for only $40 more than an XTR derailleur alone.
The focus of this review is on the 12-speed drivetrain and its 10-51 tooth cassette that uses a Micro Spline freehub body, but there are 11- and 10-speed options available for riders who don't want (or need) to run a dozen gears.
We went over the details of the new M6100 group when it was
launched in May, but it's worth taking a moment to go over the key details.
Deore M6100 Details• 12-speed, 10-51 tooth cassette
• Hyperglide+ cassette and chain technology
• Requires Micro Spline freehub body
• Direct mount chainring
• Adjustable clutch derailleur
• Price: $298 USD (cassette, derailleur, cranks, shifter, chain)
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www.bike.shimano.com DetailsCassette / Chain: The 12-speed, 10-51 tooth cassette is the heart of the drivetrain, an all-steel affair that weighs in at 593 grams. For comparison, that's 59 grams heavier than an SLX cassette, and 123 grams more than XT.
The easiest way to differentiate Shimano's 12-speed cassettes is to count the number of black anodized aluminum cogs. XTR gets three, XT gets two, SLX gets one, and, you guessed it, Deore gets none. A Micro Spline driver body is required to mount any of Shimano's 12-speed cassettes.
The Deore cassette and chain uses Shimano's Hyperglide+ technology, which is designed to allow for smooth shifting under load. That's accomplished by the shift ramps on the cassette and the shape of the chain. That chain is a key part of the equation, and while it is possible to run a non-Shimano chain you'll be missing out on getting the full benefits of Hyperglide+.
Shifter: The shapes of Shimano's 12-speed shifters are similar, as are the weights (there's only a few grams difference between them), but there are a few details that set them apart. With Deore (and SLX), Multi-Release is taken off the table – that's the feature that makes it possible to shift two gears down the cassette with one push. Intead, pushing the smaller paddle drops the chain down the cassette one cog at a time. Moving up the cassette to easier gears is done with the larger paddle, and a longer push can move the chain up the cassette three cogs at a time.
The Deore shifter does have some texturing on the thumb paddles for extra traction, but it doesn't get the rubber pads found on the XT and XTR levers.
Derailleur: The Deore derailleur uses Shimano's adjustable clutch design, which has a lever located near the upper pulley wheel that's used to turn it off to simplify wheel removal. The derailleur uses bushings on the pulley wheels instead of the cartridge bearings found on the XT and XTR derailleurs, and the pulley cages are both steel, rather than aluminum or carbon.
Those design choices put the weight at 318 grams, which is just 2 grams lighter than SLX. XT is a fair bit lighter, at 287 grams, and of course, XTR is the lightest at 242 grams, although you could buy four Deore derailleurs for less than the price of one XTR.
Cranks / Chainring: The 12-speed compatible Deore cranks are single ring only, and use Shimano's direct mount rings. There are 30- and 32-tooth options at the Deore level, but SLX chainrings are available with 34 teeth, and XT options run from 28 all the way to 36. The cranks are made from forged aluminum, rather than using the HollowTech II construction process used on the higher level cranks.
InstallationInstallation was hassle free, and I was able to get everything up and running with ease. I'm still a big fan of the little line on the back of the inner derailleur cage that makes it easy to set the proper B-tension – there's no need to keep track of a silly little plastic gauge with Shimano's design.
There is one tip to keep in mind – a liberal application of grease on the Micro Spline driver body will help keep any potential creaking at bay. Shimano's 12-speed cassettes do seem a little more prone to emitting the occasional creak compared to SRAM's, but in my experience it's usually due to not enough grease on the driver body.
PerformanceIt's easy to equate a budget drivetrain with sub-par performance – cheap, plasticy shift levers, vague shifting, derailleurs that fold in half at the slightest impact – those traits often start to pop up as the price goes down. However, the Deore M6100 components are a glaring exception to the rule. Sure, compared to XTR the shifting isn't quite as silky smooth, and you can't shift down the cassette more than one gear at a time like you can with Shimano's higher end shifters, but those are minuscule details when the price is added into the equation.
Honestly, without knowing the weight, it'd be easier to convince someone that this was a much higher end drivetrain. In fact, when I first got the group I kept having other riders hop on and give it a try in order to feel just how nice it felt. The shifts are quick and require minimal effort, and even when I shifted hard under load the chain would move up and settle into place without putting up any sort of fuss - that Hyperglide+ design works very well. There is a noticeable difference between the feel of a Deore and an XT shifter - XT has a more positive, snappy feel, while Deore has a lighter, but not quite as crisp feel, although the actual speed and accuracy of shifting between the two felt identical.
I didn't experience any missed shifts, dropped chains (even without a chain guide), or anything at all that would take my attention away from the trail.
Durability The Deore group's durability has been very impressive. After nearly six months of regular use there haven't been any issues to speak of. The crank arms do have the typical scuff marks that inevitably appear after a few muddy rides, but it's minor considering how many miles are on them.
The cassette is still looking fresh too – the steel rings clean up nicely, and there aren't any glaring indicators of all the hard shifting and grime it was subjected to. As for the derailleur, it bears a few marks from close encounters with rocks, but the clutch is still working like it should, and the pulley wheels are spinning smoothly.
Shimano Deore vs. SRAM NXDeore and NX occupy a similar space – this is the pricepoint where components make the jump from being better suited to casual riders to ones that can withstand the use and abuse a more dedicated mountain biker will dole out, so it's worth taking a moment to compare them. SRAM does have a less expensive 12-speed drivetrain in their lineup - SX - but it's only found on complete bikes, and isn't readily available aftermarket.
Both company's shifters can be mounted to their brake levers – Deore is offered in an I-SPEC EV version, and the NX shifter is MatchMaker compatible. As far as shifter feel and shifting performance goes, I'd say Shimano handily takes the win here. The little ridges on the Deore shift lever and the ease with which the chain moves through the gears gives Deore a more refined feel.
Speaking of cassettes, Deore wins when it comes to range, with a 10-51 tooth spread vs. the 11-50 tooth spread that NX uses. I also prefer the 45-51 tooth jump over the 42-50 tooth jump on the NX cassette, although that's a fairly minor detail – at that point on a ride you're usually just looking to find the easiest gear possible as soon as you can to get up some silly steep section of trail.
Don't forget that NX uses a standard splined freehub body, rather than SRAM's XD driver, while Deore needs a Micro Spline freehub body. That can be looked at two different ways - on one hand, if you have a standard splined freehub than NX makes it possible to get 12 speeds without any additional hub parts. On the other hand, that means if you wanted to upgrade to a higher end Eagle cassette in the future you'd need to get a different freehub body first. With Shimano, the Deore- to XTR-level cassettes all use the same Micro Spline freehub design.
The Deore derailleur’s adjustable clutch gives it another point over SRAM – I'd much rather have a rebuildable and tunable clutch over being stuck with SRAM’s one fixed setting, which is often too light for my tastes.
As far as weight goes, the complete NX group is lighter than Deore by 73 grams, a difference that's mainly due to the cranks - NX cranks are lighter by 76 grams. When it comes to price, Deore is the less expensive choice, largely because the derailleur is half the price of the NX option.
Getting the Most Bang For Your BuckMy ideal setup, one that keeps costs low with a few higher end bits added into the mix? First, I'd splurge on an XT shifter, in order to get that multi-release capability. Yes, it's an extra $30 more than Deore, but I think it's a worthy upgrade. If I was looking to shed some grams, the next place I'd spend would be on cranks – I'd bump up to SLX, since spending around $45 to save 130 grams seems reasonable.
Other than that, I wouldn't change a thing, and I'd be totally happy running that setup on any bike out there, no matter how fancy the other parts were. I'd rather put my money into nicer suspension and brakes; the Deore drivetrain works so well there's really no need to spend any more other than to save some weight.
Pros
+ Incredible price vs performance ratio
+ Adjustable clutch derailleur
+ Doesn't feel like a 'budget' drivetrain
Cons
- Cassette and cranks aren't for gram counters
- Need to upgrade to an XT shifter if you want Multi-Release
Pinkbike's Take | Shimano absolutely nailed it with the new Deore group, creating a budget-friendly drivetrain that leaves little to be desired when it comes to its performance out on the trail. It's very, very highly recommended for anyone looking to enter the 12-speed world without breaking the bank
Here's hoping that we see these parts become a common sight in 2021 as the next wave of more affordable bikes hit the market. — Mike Kazimer |
Besides the point, shimano has been very good with the warranty and I have not had to replace anything on my own dime.
The girlfriend has the gx stuff and it always seems to be running good. Nothing breaks. Just reliable. (Thought I should mention, I am also quite a bit heavier then her)
The shimano 4pistin brakes have been amazing. I like the shifter a little better. But I am a little sour about the “microspline” I couldn’t get one for the longest time for my hope pro2 so I just ended up switching
New shimano stuff is good but not great. Still would take gx over the slx anyway
I agree with you about the slx group set being a total problem. I have had issues from day one with the derailleur and the xt hub was the worst piece of technology put out. I have replaced that with a spank hex-j on one wheel set and hydra on the second.
Good luck getting anything from Shimano at the moment.
When the time comes, and it won't be long I will be switching back to GX.
I will say that the design of the microspline hubs results in a HUGE length of unsupported axle on the driveside, very bad for bearing/axle longevity.
But would I take a deore over GX? nope... specially with the new 10-52 derailleurs, not because of the range, but because they're definitely stronger now that i've installed a couple of them.
Now that I'd really like is a proper di2 XT with an integrated battery, and XT brakes that fix the weird loss of power issue. I think high quality with long battery life would be a great alternative to AXS, specially with the better shimano shifting.
Until then, I'll keep running GX and XX1 on bikes though.. and deore on cheaper builds (i build bikes for friends a lot)_
It's not a bad idea to replace the balls every know and then when you open up the hub anyways to clean and grease it, since the balls are dirt cheap.
If the balls actually get damaged (seen that a few times) by that time the cups and the cones are long gone as well.
Also they sometimes snap in half.
I've had zero issues with SLX, sometimes you get duds.
It is a real issue. If you have a shimano 12 speed derailleur, open it up and grease it often, even before you use it the first time...if you do that, then I agree it is fine. But seriously they cannot be compared to previous generations which really had no issues other than pulleys for years...
Shimano XT is better but if you have GX its not worth to upgrade because the difference isnt that big IMO.
i have recently installed the new XT group. (havent had the chance to test it tho.)
There are a few things that Shimano doesnt do better that Sram
To begin. I spec bullshit. honestly this is so irritating. there are like 4 or 5 different versions. As far as i know Sram only has matchmaker so everything fits to everything. This is the single most irritating thing about shimano.
Also the cage lock on Sram derraileurs is neat and deserves kudo's.
I havent been able to test my bike because i found out my old derailleur used a direct mount. so i needed to change the hanger. (new hanger in tomorrow.)
The multirelease on the shifter tho is gold. That alone would make me go shimano. (plus the fact that Shimano is the brand i went for since i started mountainbiking and it has never ever let me down).
My girlfriend has GX. and i will admit that the shifter is very smooth and the release has a short throw. it also shifts good. I cannot imagine myself replacing a GX set for XT or SLX. Shimano isnt that much better.
Both brands have their problems.
With X01 it's a tossup with XTR, until the 10-52 cassette comes into play. With that cassette, Sram can just GTFO. Who the hell gave the greenlight to do a 'Wallmart' 'Megadrive' cassette that costs 300 USD?!? Who gave the greenlight for that stupid jump?
I'm keeping my Codes, Lyriks, Super Deluxes (well, first I need to find one that isn't knocking) and Reverbs, but I'm SERIOUSLY tempted to get an XT or XTR group to try things out.
Since my cassette is almost done, I'm swapping the driver to XD and going with SRAM X01 10-42 (which I got for cheap since nobody wants 11 speed anymore).
And like you mentioned it costs a lot more, but it also lasts a lot more as well so in the long run it might be even cheaper to run a X01 cassette - same applies to chains - it was proven that the XX1 chain lasts the longest and is the cheapest when you factor in the mileage it can handle.
That's why I'd go for Shimano, to test things out. I had a test ride on two e-bikes this summer (still hate them, though the Turbo Levo SL is somewhat bike like instead of motorcycle like), but the fact is that Sram shifted like shit on the e-bike (in turbo mode, where you can't really modulate your power like you can under your own power), but in the same situation Shimano shifted flawlessly. So their shifting under power thingie actually does work.
As for X01 and the performance, GX was good for me for the year that I owned my previous bike with it installed. Many people say GX is fiddly and starts making problems after a while. On the other hand I've often had problems with my X01 in the 42T and 50T gear when shifting to it, with the chain making a bit of a jump right after the shift under decent power. Not always, but often. And I never could get rid of that. So yeah...
And yeah, now that they have that god awful monstrosity of the 52T and though they said the 50T will still be offered, but is getting harder and harder to find, I'd prefer Shimano over Sram in any case. Even a Deore setup to a 10-52 XX1 setup. And it's not 'oooooh, too much range', far from it. It's a 'oooooh, they made a MegaDrive cassette purely to have +1 to Shimano with zero development costs and investments but made a huge jump'. Had they made alterations to the main part of the cassette, just by going 32-37-44-52 instead of 32-36-42-52, would have made ALL the difference. But that means a completely new tooling setup. And that's expensive. And the way they made it just shows how much they care about the customers having a good experience overall vs. oneupping Shimano in the total range.
Yes, I'm REALLY salty about the 52T cassette. Not really sure why apart from the fact it's just SO stupid.
@tonit91: the XX1 chain is not the price performance champion, the X01 is. THe XX1 chain comes in fancy colors that, given what I wrote above (based off my black chain) does nothing for actual performance and is purely a looks thing. And it's 50 % more expensive because of that.
But still, user experience wise it's SOOOO stupid, as the 52T cog makes a huge jump in gear ratios. And it is something reviewers have noted. And I, as a user, want to have useful things, not cheap to make things. Unless the price is right. Which, honestly, for an X01/XX1 cassette, regardless of the cool factor (as I've mentioned, I didn't mention I'm an engineer and that I get really weak knees at things like that), it's not really priced 'that well'... (it's 300 €!!)
It's not just fancy colours, it's the coating that gives the XX1 chain the durability. It's same when it comes to cassettes, the 11 speed X01 cassette is actually lighter than the XX1 by around 10g due to the coating on the XX1.
And I wrote above that the coating is cosmetic, as when you take a few links of the chain out (to install it), you can see there is no coating on the surfaces of the plates that can actually come in contact. Meaning that the coating is applied AFTER the chain is manufactured and the coating is not applied to the insides of the rollers and so on, where it could actually make a difference (if it was a performance oriented coating and not just some paint). If you want I can take pictures of this if you don't believe me. This is true for the black chain, can't say what it's like on the golden and rainbow versions though, I've never had one of those. And it's also very logical as they also manufacture one chain and keep te tolerances of all the parts the same, then just leave X01 chains chromed only, but paint/coat in gold or rainbow the XX1 chains on the outside without affecting performance.
But yes for 12 speed it's different because the X01 uses the chrome also, so I guess it should be compared to something like a GX for price/performance.
And AFAIK the chrome is applied before the chain is assembled unlike coatings on KMC chains which is applied after assembly. The coating definitely helps - it's pretty obvious from the test results 11 speed or 12 speed doesn't matter.
I've called Shimano about this issue. And they actually admitted to me that they know about this, and said that there is an inherent issue with their design. So they have developed a modification. It's called the "new stabilizer kit". They also told me that I can get one free of charge. But I need to go through an authorized Shimano dealer. So my local bike shop/mechanic needs to order it for me.
I’m happy for this positive news this morning.
"According to Nick Murdick, if you were going to only have one XTR part on your bike, choosing the chain is the way to go."
m.pinkbike.com/news/shimanos-back-in-the-game-with-new-xt-and-slx-12-speed-groups.html
That exact same thing happened to my buddy’s brand new slx. Just got it brand new, straight out of the bike shop, and it busted midway down the mountain. The thing literally just folded when he was riding light trails...
I'll be sticking to the SRAM 11spd that I picked up for less than $200 and has been rock solid and never needs adjusting. 50+ tooth cogs are completely unnecessary anyway.
@Rigidjunkie try advent X. Half the price of Deore, and lighter than XT. Uses normal, old school freehub.
M5100 RD, M4100 shifter, M4100 11-46 cassette: €107
M5100 RD, M5100 shifter, M5100 11-51 cassette: €120
Advent X RD, shifter, cassette: €134 (and that's with the cheaper version of the RD, shifter and cassette)
(All prices from bike24 with 27% VAT, which will differ from country to country)
@coletrane-mtb Derailleur cage length is related to capacity, not the number of speeds. A derailleur designed for an 11spd 11-51 will have the same length cage as a derailleur that was designed for a 12spd 11-51.
They're Microspline but Shimano makes 10-45 12spd cassettes. They made a shorter cage 1x derailleur for the 10-45, but sadly it's only available at XTR level.
Here, the AdventX is about $165 for derailleur, shifter, & cassette.
As stated in this article, Deore is about $180.
I've been loving my Microshift AdventX. Probably doesn't shift quite as well as Deore, but much lighter where it counts and you don't have to find a still obscure microspline freehub. Range is less, but shift jumps are larger, which is so much better.
Anyways i'm not trying to argue or anything, I just thought i'd mention that Deore isn't 12spd and Microspline only in case you didn't know about it.
11-spd cassettes are much the same way - probably less adaptive as the 10-spd cassettes. For SRAM, 10-spd and up - all cassettes are one piece, except for the extra 10T ring!
For example I ordered a SRAM groupset from bike24 and there was an issue with the cassette. I never spoke to SRAM directly (and bike24 sent me back a new a cassette that was twice as expensive as the cassette I bought originally
-clicky things to shift are crisp
-only takes like 2 screws to tune it real nice
-cheap as heck if you manage to break it
-granny-ish cog is a different color, very fashion
If only they'd make a 10s Hg+ cassette with alu carrier and steel cogs. 11-42 is plenty enough for the avarage joes.
bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/deore-m4100/CS-M4100-10.html
11-42 and 11-46
No, not this one. This is a "classic" cassette which carries nothing from the innovations that have been packed into the new 12s family and it is almost identical to the cs-hg500 that im using now. The reason is totaly justifiable tho...
I know that sunrace has its okay parts, but sadly nor the shifting performance, nor the durability is in par with the deore.
If i want to upgrade, i either need to shovel a small fortune on the bike and/or change/mix systems with sram if i wish to keep the weight in par, or reduce it a bit.
For those like me, that have limited budget amd other priorities other then MTB (morgages, kids education, and all those boring things....), this IS the group to enjoy on my MTB trips (that will be more, due to the money saved)
I'd be especially curious what you think about durability under what I presume is pretty hard riding. And what do you think about the geometry after a year of ownership? Does your favourable opinion of the long reach still hold true? Ever encountered a situation where you'd ideally have wanted different lenghts, angles, more antisquat, etc? What would you change about the bike?
I already tried to regrease the clutch. But the problem does still occur.
Any ideas?
To me it sounds more like friction in the cable and/or at the pivots, but then you'd mostly have issues in the smaller cogs where the spring tension is lower.
Whenever i'm dealing with weird shifting issues I always start with the hanger alignment.
I have 10, 11, 12spd drivetrains. Somehow they all work great. I've heard the too fussy, too much precision needed, chains too thin and too weak, cog spacing too tight etc. arguments a few times already. People said the exact same things at the 8-9spd switch, 9-10 switch, 10-11 switch, and now 11-12 switch. When indexed shifters first came out, people said they're too complicated and unreliable.
Shimano had some trouble around the time they released 12spd. Maybe the QC suffered a bit.
The SLX crank is $10 more for just the arms: you need to buy the chain ring separate. It is still worth the substantial weight savings, but it is a bit more than that.
I also have GX eagle and am really impressed....
With this being said, C’mon! Why no cage lock on the Deore? IMHO this should be a minimum requirement.. WTF! It’s so minor but for someone who travels constantly with my bike I really miss the SRAM cage lock.
Durable
Dependable
Not expensive (I'm a blue collar working stiff. Every dime counts in my world)
Black
Easy to maintain
I don't care about weight
Shimano has always checked these boxes for me. The new Deore looks amazing.
- Former X1, X01 and GX owner
Also shimano released deore wheels and brakes - which are falls in the same category of good performance for the price
What I've been hearing/reading is that the Shimano 12sp quick-link is a bit too narrow for most current n/w chainrings, and the hack is to use a Sram link instead - but this seems a bit clumsy and obviously won't be approved by Shimano. Have you heard about this? Just don't seem to see it being mentioned in the reviews of the new Shimano group sets.
See the Wolftooth website for a neat run down of the issue: "12spd Shimano Hyperglide+ Quick-Links have an inside width narrower than the rest of the chain so there will be interference if you use any chainring not specifically designed for HG+ chains. The extended inner link plates of the HG+ chain will also quickly wear into the wide teeth of a non-HG+ chainring so the hack of using a KMC quick-link on Shimano chain is not a recommended solution. The HG+ chain requires a chainring specifically designed to be compatible with its unique shape."
www.wolftoothcomponents.com/pages/chain-compatibility-by-chainring-tooth-profile
Top is shimano 12 speed specific, bottom not. Notice profile difference, both 12s hyperglide chains.
I use red wheel bearing grease and mine works like new after the service.
Long story mtb drivetrain are finicky regardless of who makes them. Glad this is mega cheap so it’ll be less awful to replace when it inevitably stops working.
Although is SX OEM only?
Comparing feature/feature price/price surely it's XX1/XTR race, X01/XTR Trail, GX/XT, NX/SLX & SX/Deore.
And before anyone says XT is = X01.. No not even close.
I'm of the opinion that: If you've bought above Deore its because you're a "bike person" and you're treating yourself to something a bit nice.
Deore has always been incredible VFM.
i wanted to get the M6100 12s as a replacement for my NX, but I got a TRW 12s cassette, weighs 360g priced around $70, an XT M8100 derailleur+shifter, XTR chain and SLX 165mm cranks. Sorry guys I live in Malaysia and Shimano factory is over here so everything is available. Early days but it really feels night n day difference for people riding on budget NX drivetrains
Nothing loose on my bike, installed it properly as per instructions (not my first installation btw), adjusted B-nut with guide plate, no stiff links in the chain. etc. I examined my XT derailleur after 7 years of use. Nothing loose whatsoever. Needless to say that post pandemic, I'm returning to Shimano. Sad thing though cause the goupo is nice and price was very good. Can't believe we see it spec on so many 4 to 5 k $ bikes.
I’m pretty sure I won the lottery with mine since the only issue is there’s some play in the hangar but SRAM warrantied it immediately.
Not that XTR is bad. But the "Hyperglide" whatever shifting is BS, it BARELY shifts smoother into the lower gears, and it definitely is not as crisp when I am slamming gears in a sprint.
No it's not a #gamechanger but personally i'm pretty darn happy that a drivetrain like this is available at this price point (and the 11 and 10spd versions are awesome low buck options as well). This is just me but personally I didn't want to run Deore 1 or 2 generations ago but I happily do now.
Only true downfall I see is the microspline driver. At that low price point the typical aftermarket user isn’t going to want to buy a new wheel set if they cannot get the corrrect driver. So a 600g cassettes that has to have the micro spline?
IMO anyone that would be springing for the new group set and also a new wheel set would be at the xt level. Or at least an xt cassette.
You can look at the cheap microspline cassette both as a positive and a negative. It can be a negative if you're upgrading an existing drivetrain. But it can be a positive if you're buying a new bike. If you buy a bike with NX or SX, you get an HG driver. If you want to upgrade the cassette for less weight and/or more range, you have to change the driver.
However if you buy a new bike with Deore, you get a microspline driver which is (probably) more future proof, and easier to upgrade. (Personally I don't care that much about weight, and i'm also happy that I can buy a cheap cassette with the same range as the more expensive ones. But that's just me.)
Eventually I just gave up and went with XTR, f*ck Deore!
Certainly it didn't meet your expectations, but when was deore ever a groupset for the Bikepark?
My previous comment was intended as a joke. But you don't buy a station wagon for it's rallying ability.
Maybe asking you to engage in rational discourse and practice the charity principle is too tall an order. Only you can answer that. Good luck man.
to ride because he was messing with someone at PB comments like usual"
Hmmm, my mistake, I encourage you to go buy the derailleur.
My group was flawless, so I’m genuinely curious what you’re experiencing.
Have a few friends on the new XT stuff and 3 of the 5 spent longer than expected time getting the shifting sorted.
Personally I think Shimano is just running into resolution issues just like SRAM does on occasion with the very tight tolerances necessary for 12 speed.
Words like "commonly" make it sound like this has been going on for quite a while. Considering the age of the groupset, it puts the credibility of your comment in question.
Care to elaborate?