Review: YT Capra 29 CF Pro Race

Sep 4, 2018 at 20:43
by Mike Kazimer  
The YT Capra made waves when it was first launched back in 2014, a brute of a bike that hit the mark when it came to balancing value and performance. Four years later, YT debuted the next iteration, giving the new Capra more travel, updated geometry, and increased standover clearance. A 29” version was also added into the mix, with either 160 or 170mm of travel depending on the model.

There are now a total of four 29” Capra models, with prices ranging from $5,199 for the CF Pro Race that's reviewed here, down to $2,499 for the aluminum-framed Capra 29 AL. Looking for the all the squish? You'll need to shell out the dough for the CF Pro Race in order to get that 170mm of travel – all of the other options use a shorter stroke shock and have 160mm of travel.
Capra 29 CF Pro Race Details

Intended use: enduro
Travel: 170mm
Wheel size: 29"
Frame construction: carbon fiber
Head angle: 65º
Chainstay length: 435mm (M-L), 440mm (XL-XXL)
Sizes: M, L, XL, XXL
Weight: 31 lb (14.1 kg) size large, w/o pedals
Price: $5,199 USD as tested
More info: www.yt-industries.com

Highlights of the Pro Race build kit include a 170mm Fox 36 Factory fork, Float X2 shock, e*thirteen's carbon TRS Race wheels, and SRAM Code Ultimate brakes.


bigquotesit was on the high speed, smoother trails like Dirt Merchant and A-Line where the Capra felt best. The rear suspension ramps up quickly, which means there's plenty of support for getting a little extra 'pop' off the lip of a jump, or to maintain speed by pumping over a series of rollers. Mike Kazimer







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The headtube has been reinforced in order to make it dual-crown fork compatible.


Construction and Features


The Capra didn't undergo a drastic revision as far as looks go, but the frame does have a cleaner, sleeker aesthetic than the original. The standover height has been lowered, and the brace that used to extend from the seat tube to the top tube is nowhere to be seen. Unfortunately, there's still no place to hold a water bottle – maybe that will finally happen in version 3.0.

Other updates include the switch to carbon rather than alloy chainstays, and some extra reinforcement around the head tube. That reinforcement is there just in case you feel like running a dual crown fork – the bike is designed to be able to handle it. In fact, YT tested the Capra to the same standards as their Tues downhill bike.

The derailleur, brake, and dropper post housing are all now hidden inside the frame, where molded carbon tubes keep things from rattling around. Downtube protection is in place to save the frame from rock damages, and YT even went as far as to color match the protectors to the frame.


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The brake and derailleur housing are routed through tubes molded into the frame.
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A flip chip allows for two different head angle and bottom bracket height settings.




Capra

Geometry & Sizing

The Capra's geometry numbers slot right into what has almost become the norm for this category – there's a 65-degree head angle, 75.5 degree seat angle, 460mm reach for a size large, and 435mm chainstays for the medium and large sizes. The XL and XXL sizes actually get longer chainstays in order to preserve the balance of the bike, which is always nice to see – they grow by 5mm, up to 440mm. There is a flip chip that can be used to steepen things up by .5 degrees, but I have a feeling most riders will stick it into the slackest setting and call it good.


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Suspension Design

The Capra still uses a Horst Link suspension design (YT call it Virtual 4 Link), but the rocker link position has moved rearwards, and now extends behind the seat tube. The Capra has always been known for having a very progressive suspension curve, but in this case YT took steps to modify that curve. According to Stefan Willard, YT's CTO, that lower ratio allows riders to run less pressure and creates a more sensitive beginning stroke. The amount of end-stroke ramp-up has also been reduced by approximately 8% to allow riders to make the most out of the available travel.



Specifications

Specifications
Price $5199
Travel 170mm
Rear Shock Fox Float X2 230 x 65mm
Fork Fox 36 Float Factory 170mm
Headset Acros AZX-203
Cassette e*thirteen TRS+ 11-46
Crankarms e*thirteen TRSR carbon
Chainguide e*thirteen TRS+
Bottom Bracket e*thirteen BB92
Rear Derailleur Shimano XTR
Chain Shimano HG601
Shifter Pods Shimano XTR 11-speed
Handlebar Renthal Fatbar Carbon 35 800mm
Stem Renthal Apex35 40mm
Grips ODI Elite motion
Brakes SRAM Code Ultimate
Wheelset e*thirteen TRS Race
Tires e*thirteen TRSr 2.35"
Seat SDG Fly MNT
Seatpost Fox Transfer, 31.6mm, 150mm



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Test Bike Setup

Other than taking a few minutes to trim the Renthal bars down to my preferred width of 780mm, getting the Capra set up and ready to roll was hassle free. I set up the Float X2 shock with 30% sag, which equated to 185 psi, and inflated the fork to 73 psi.

The Capra has two possible geometry positions, but it remained in the slackest position for the entirety of the test period, due to the fact that I never felt the need to try out a steeper head angle and higher bottom bracket.

Testing began as the late spring rains gave way to a dry and dusty summer in Bellingham, Washington, and including my usual local test laps, along with a few trips up to the Whistler Bike Park for some lift-served trail smashing.

Mike Kazimer
Mike Kazimer
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Age: 35
Height: 5'11"
Inseam: 33"
Weight: 160 lbs
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YT Capra Review


Climbing


YT claim that the Capra “provides unheard-of propulsion on those grueling climbs.” That sure sounds impressive, but despite my best efforts, I never found myself gliding effortlessly uphill. Yes, the Capra checks in at a reasonable weight, and its geometry creates a very comfortable climbing position, but it's still the type of bike where climbing is more of a task that needs to be done before the fun really begins. Those meaty e*thirteen tires didn't really speed things up either, further solidifying the Capra's downhill inclinations, although I don't think there were any doubts to begin with.

That being said, the Capra is a very manageable bike, especially considering that you're sitting on top of 170mm of travel. The steepish-seat angle deserves some credit here, along with the fact that the Capra's front center and head angle numbers aren't too extreme, which makes it easier to get through tight, slower speed sections of trail without feeling like you're the sleep-deprived driver of an eighteen-wheeler.

The Capra doesn't have the super-snappy handling typically found on a shorter travel bike, but it's also not a gooshy mess – there's enough support to keep it from wallowing too deep into its travel, although there was still enough suspension movement that I regularly used the blue dial on the Float X2. That lever is more necessary than it is on a bike like Pivot's Firebird 29, although the Capra does pedal better than the Commencal Meta 29.


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Descending


Getting accustomed to the Capra's handling on the descents didn't take long at all, largely due to the fact that YT didn't go crazy with the geometry numbers. That 65-degree head angle has been the norm for all-mountain / enduro bikes for the last couple of years, and the reach and chainstay length are fairly typical as well. Those numbers give the Capra a familiar feel, despite the fact that until recently there were barely any 170mm 29ers on the market. Could YT have pushed things a little further? More than likely, especially considering that this is a 170mm bike, with a frame that's approved to run a dual crown fork – I don't think anyone would have minded if it were even slacker and more DH-oriented.

I rode the Capra on everything from flowy jump lines to the chunkiest, most blown out trails in the Whistler Bike Park. Somewhat surprisingly, it was on the high speed, smoother trails like Dirt Merchant and A-Line where the Capra felt best. The rear suspension ramps up quickly, which means there's plenty of support for getting a little extra 'pop' off the lip of a jump, or to maintain speed by pumping over a series of rollers. Anyone who still believes that “29ers can't jump” should head out for a lap on the Capra – this bike will have you singing a different tune in no time.

However, on the rougher sections of trail the Capra wasn't nearly as plush as I'd expected. I was using all 170mm of travel, but the amount of ramp up at the end of the stroke made those big hits feel a bit jarring. Going faster and pushing harder helped, but there was still more feedback than I would have liked, especially when faced with repeated hard impacts. YT did decrease the progressivity of the Capra compared to the prior model, but I think they could drop it even further in order to help make it feel even smoother on the really rough stuff. A coil shock could also be the ticket here – I have a feeling that would erase some of that feedback, while also increasing the amount of traction.




Capra
YT Capra

Commencal
Commencal Meta 29

How does it compare?

The Capra's value has consistently helped it stand out from the crowd – after all, there aren't too many companies offering a full-carbon bike, complete with carbon wheel and high-end suspension for this price. Commencal has taken a similar route, although their consumer direct path isn't paved with carbon – all of their bikes have aluminum frames. The different frame materials means there's a significant price difference between the Meta 29 and the Capra Pro Race reviewed here, but it's still worth taking a moment to see how they compare on the trail. And yes, YT does make an aluminum Capra, but I haven't had a chance to give one a try.

Climbing: The Capra takes this one, largely due to the weight difference – the aluminum Meta is nearly 4 pounds heavier, which means it takes more effort to get it to the top of the hill. The Capra also has a livelier feel on more rolling terrain, where the Meta 29 doesn't really come alive until gravity takes over.

Descending: The geometry numbers between the two bikes are quite similar, but the Meta's coil shock gives it a more ground-hugging, low slung feel. I'd rather be aboard the Meta if I had to plow through a rock garden, or if my typical trails were rough and natural. The Capra is easier to jump, and it's also less likely to use up all of its travel on a rough landing, although it does transmit more feedback to its rider.



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YT took a different route when it came to selecting drivetrain components, pairing a Shimano XTR derailleur with an e*thirteen cassette.
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The Fox Transfer post worked perfectly, but I didn't have as much luck with the SDG MNT saddle.


Technical Report


SDG Seat: Seat are obviously a matter of personal preference, but I didn't get along with the shape of the SDG MTN Fly at all, and swapped it out after one ride. The profile is more curved than flat, which meant that the center portion of the seat applied pressure exactly where I didn't want it.

DT Swiss RWS Skewer: I had the RWS Skewer come loose twice during testing, despite having securely tightened it down beforehand. Rough bike park laps are a great way to rattle things loose, but the last thing you want is to have your rear wheel barely secured to the frame. I'm not sure the exact cause, but I have a hunch that it's some combination of wheel and frame flex that's the culprit. In any case, it's certainly something to check before every ride. Ideally, the Capra would come with a bolt-on thru axle, which would also have the added benefit of making the back end a little narrower.

e*thirteen cassette / Shimano XTR derailleur: YT did things a little differently by spec'ing e*thirteen's 11-speed, 9-46 tooth TRS+ cassette paired to a Shimano XTR derailleur and shifter. I didn't have any trouble with the shifting performance – it's not quite as smooth as a full-Shimano setup, but it's a minor difference. I did experience some intermittent creaking, typically when standing up and climbing, something that I've experienced before with e*thirteen's cassette design. Personally, I would have rather seen a full Shimano or full SRAM setup.

Renthal Fatbar Carbon: Not all 35mm carbon bars are created equal, but Fatbar was extremely comfortable, with the perfect amount of compliance and vibration damping to take the edge off of high speed chatter bumps.


YT Capra Review


Pros

+ Very manageable, especially considering the amount of travel
+ Never met a jump it didn't like
+ Excellent value
Cons

- No room for a water bottle
- Not super plush in rough terrain
- Limited availability



Is this the bike for you?

The Capra 29 CF Pro Race is a good match for riders in search of a 29er that can handle regular bike park usage without being too much of a beast to pedal around on longer, non-lift assisted rides.



Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesIt wasn't that long ago the idea of a 170mm 29er would have seemed farfetched, but times have changed, and we're seeing more and more entries into this category. The Capra Pro Race may not be the plushest option out there when faced with really chunky sections of trail, but it's easy to handle on a wide range of terrain, especially when it comes to boosting jumps and railing berms. The consumer-direct pricing makes this an attractive option for riders looking for a bike that can be used for lift-served and longer pedal-powered missions... Just don't forget your hydration pack. Mike Kazimer









323 Comments

  • + 263
 So, it's a long travel 29er that feels the best on jumps, not rough sections. Oh, what a world we live in.
  • + 54
 Hope y'all enjoy immediatly replacing everything that says e-thirteen on the bike and having to cut it off with a hack saw.
  • + 1
 @tdoyle1995: lol not like you work in a bike shop in Whistler or anything and can speak from experience
  • + 6
 @tdoyle1995: no kidding, I have their dropper post, 170mm, and it doesn't work if it gets wet!?
  • + 5
 @tdoyle1995: ethirteen tires.... are beasts. I've been using them (2 sets) for about 1 year and a half. Not the best grip, but I've NEVER flatted on them, and I use tubes. Went off a 10 foot drop to flat in Utah. No problem.

On the other hand, taking them off the rim sucks so much @ss
  • + 6
 My confusions about the write up is regarding the suspension, it's too progressive yet its also too linear?
Ey?
  • - 1
 @Chingus-Dude: You're lucky (or maybe I'm unlucky?) because I've never flatted so many times on one tire.
  • + 16
 @tdoyle1995: Heard about the old cranks from a few years ago too. Happened to a buddy of mine but E13 took care of him and he did't have any issues since. I've snapped or broken SRAM and RF cranks, my Fox and Rockshox forks have had creaky crowns and my past DT and Mavic wheels have had issues. Doesn't mean everything they do is crap, nor would I ever say all their stuff sucks. My E13 wheels, tires and cassettes have been great the past few years and I know lots of others who have had the same experience. Their carbon wheels are some of the toughest I've tried. Way tougher than my old DT rims.
  • - 1
 @Chingus-Dude: I just pinch-flatted my rear e*Thirteen on my new Jeffsy 29 when bombing down the Bobsled in SLC.
  • + 2
 I can't remark on the rough stuff, but it jumps as good as my Spartan. Other than the visual of the larger front wheel, you really can't tell you're on a 29er.
  • + 2
 @covekid: I've seen more e13 stuff not work, shit the bed, or just generally suck, than any other high end brand. I have personally witnessed multiple rim and crank explosions from general rough use. The cassettes are god awful, I've tried two.

Heard the tires aren't too bad, but I would never put any of their stuff on my bike. You WILL end up replacing it unless you just ride a lot of mellow shit and not a ton of vert. I've seen a lot of e13 this past year as well, because they are stock on Transitions. Call Transition and ask them why they stopped putting e13 on their frames this year... Wink
  • + 13
 @trialsracer: Lol. That’s why PB nominated the cassette for component of the year. Sorry you had issues. Maybe it was user error. All my E13 shit has been bomber (as have my friends stuff on their YT’s). Can’t please everyone I guess.
  • + 3
 @covekid: It definable depends heavily on chain-line. Im in a shop, and we tied literally every component to try to make the cassette work. Charings, crank spacers, b-tension under sag. Literally would not work. E-mailed e-thirteen, and If I'm remembering correctly they just said it wont work for all bikes. They did send us another however (Props for a company who has good support) and the old one was sent back. Same issues though.
  • + 5
 @ehvahn: Been running the 9-46 cassette for over a year with a GX derailleur, not a single complain about it. Smile
  • + 3
 Yeah, dirt jumpers have had it wrong for decades. Big wheels for jumps is where its at.
  • + 2
 @ehvahn: I got the TRS+ cassette for two of my bikes after I read about it in PB Component for the Year (are those released around January?). Neither has worn out and im using it on both bikes to this day. However, as noted in many reviews, it many times will not shift down (up on the cassette) from the steel to AL cog. The only way to get that gear is to go two down and then one up as that direction works. It's an annoyance but worth it for the 9t and 46t over the 10-42. Also you can drop a chain suddenly downshifting several gears if you don't have exactly the right B-tension.
  • + 2
 @Rubberelli: Interesting. To be fair I’m using mine with Shimano XT derailleur and XT chain. I’ve had it on a Nomad, Norco Range and Capra and all have been flawless. I have no issues where my buddy with full GX Eagle is always tinkering with his setup. Chainline, age of derailleur and chain, and type of bike prob also play a factor (as they do with any drivetrain setup).
  • + 1
 @ehvahn: interesting. What bike was that on? Ive had mine on 3 different bikes and my buddies have them on different brands too and all work great. I also recall a review on NSMB where the guy used it in a bunch of different bikes (even with worn drivetrains) and had great luck. In that review he mentioned chain length as being an issue in one bike but once shortened it was fine. nsmb.com/articles/ethirteen-trs-9-46t-cassette
  • + 1
 @tdoyle1995: the trs race cassette on my 2018 capra cf pro moved laterally off the ethirteen free body and damaged the inside drive side carbon chainstay. its held on by a pinch clamp, nothing securing it laterally, whole cassette held on like a band to a smooth xd driver, nothing holding it on for sure like all other cassettes. dumbest design i have ever seen. e13 told me to ef off, YT was very concerned though.
  • + 102
 I bought this bike at the beginning of the season and it was a huge mistake. I was originally drawn to the insane parts spec for 7k CAD and was prepared to live with the mediocre climbing and lack of readily available customer support. I never really go to the bike park and rarely shuttle so I immediately realized I bought the wrong bike... that's 100% my fault, obviously. If you do a lot more pedaling than descending, this is a viable option for sure.

I got really tired of being getting slaughtered on the climbs so I moved all the parts over to a Santa Cruz HTLT and couldn't be happier.

One thing I'd like to comment on is the lack of customer support, at least in the Canadian market. I realize this is part of going customer-direct but honestly, YT's Canadian support is exceptionally poor. I had a number of warranty issues with the bike and it took months to rectify some of them. Many of these issues were E13 related and some were solely due to the lack of due diligence on YT's end. All avenues to contact YT Canada go to one guy's phone and unfortunately, this is where many of the problems arise. He sometimes gets back to you immediately but other times it can take weeks to get an answer. For instance, it took me almost 3 months to get a replacement cassette (the one shipped on the bike was broken). They REALLY need to double or triple down on support staff for their Canadian operations. I obviously can't comment on support for their other markets but I implore any potential buyers to ask around before pulling the trigger on a YT. I'm guessing they sold a ton of bikes and their one customer support guy is just overwhelmed. I hope for YT's sake these are just growing pains that will be rectified in short order.

As for the quality of the product... I'm not sure what to say. Don't expect build quality to be on par with the likes of Santa Cruz, Ibis, Pivot, or any of the primo brands but they are fairly solid. I had la number of warranty issues but I know other people with the same bike who haven't had any.

Personally, I won't go customer direct again. Paying an extra 10-20% for a shop to take your bike to, where they own the issues, is worth it, IMHO.
  • + 81
 Except we're not talking about 10-20%.

Do you have any idea how much a HTLT with that spec comes at? More like 100% difference
  • + 14
 @mollow: oh yeah... lot's more. Santa Cruz pricing is a whole different ball game. I'd say my HTLT would be 10-12k CAD if it was shipped as-is from Santa Cruz.

If you compare to average priced brands, that 10-20% starts to make a lot more sense.
  • + 5
 @mollow: Yeah more like 40-100% difference. What the heck...
  • + 36
 I think it’s fair to say this varies massively by country. As a European, I had a warranty issue with my Jeffsy Pro Race (17)and YT simply took it back and fixed it. Free of charge, took 2.5 weeks from start to finish and they also added a piece to my crank that I’d lost.

I fundamentally completely disagree with you when it comes to build quality. Can you name 3 things tbat you had which are issues? I’ve had my Jeffsy for 1.5 years, and bar component replacements (pads), it’s been great. If I compare that to my Lapierre (last bike), EVERYTHING broke on it. I know some have mentioned paint quality lately - I’ve got an 18 Tues Pro Race and have a small chip on it where someone launched a multi tool at it, but that’s all I can recall.

I get your complaints with warranty, without a doubt. But the cost difference of a Santa Cruz is... obscene. It’s twice the price in Europe. A top of the range SC with equiv spec is TWICE the price. Each to their own, but I’m stoked on my Jeffsy and Tues.
  • + 4
 My buddy got a 27.5 Capra and the BB was loose. He sent it back but it did take them a little bit to respond and he has to send the whole thing back and then wait for the bike. Your issues are enough to keep me away from YT
  • + 13
 Everyone I know on a YT has had a great experience and you really can't get more bike for the money. This new Capra is alot of bike for $5100, the only issue is limited availability as they sell out fast.
  • - 11
flag High-Life (Sep 10, 2018 at 10:05) (Below Threshold)
 @mollow: The cost is much better if you buy online. A full-tilt HTLT (carbon wheels / group) can be had for 5600.00
  • + 3
 I bought a 2015 Capra CF, which I still have and have largely been happy with. I had a number of issues with e13 parts that were on it, particularly the cranks which I ended up sawing off and replacing. YT were pretty unhelpful and it's put me off getting any bike again with e13 components on, especially as the UK distribution of spare parts is dire. Was almost considering one of these as a replacement, but this review has confirmed that I should look elsewhere, thanks.
  • + 40
 @jamesdunford:

Warranty issues:

-cassette shipped broken. was rectified in ~9 weeks
-BB creaked immediately, was rectified in ~ 2 weeks
-Rear shock seals bad, Fox built mine before they introduced a new seal kit (Obviously not YT's fault). I had to get the shock rebuilt. YT sent me the wrong address so package got held up a few days after I paid for express shipping
-bracket on rear axle linkage fell out (luckily when I wasn't riding it). I solved this with lock-tight and frequent re-torquing
-I snapped the bolt on the shock mount when re-installing my shock. it snapped @ 10NM but torque spec is 12NM.. go figure, rectified immediately

When you take the bike apart you kind of have to muscle a lot of it back together. I noticed this a lot and you need to retorque the linkage fairly frequently, relative to other bikes I've had. It doesn't just fit together seamlessly like my Santa Cruz or my old Norco Range.

IMO they should scrap E13, go with a threaded BB, and spend a bit more money on frame hardware.

For the record, I'm not saying "don't buy a YT"... just be aware that you could have some issues and they might not be solved as quickly as one would expect.
  • + 3
 @MRwillP: Sounds like the issue is more with YT Canada and not the components on the bike. YT should not have sent the bike with the bad shock/cassette and their warranty process should have been much faster/better for sure.
  • + 1
 @mulv1976: Only the CF Race models come with E13 carbon cranks, the rest come with RF cranks, so just don't get the Race version? I have a 2016 Jeffsy that has been flawless (only e13 on them was the wheels and they are still awesome).
  • + 4
 @mulv1976: what’s the story with sawing off the cranks?
  • + 11
 I bought a 2018 Capra CF. Love the bike but the customer service can't get much worse. The bike arrived with a loose rear brake hose and missing pad spacer. What a DOT fluid mess! To compensate me for dot fluid, bleed kit, ruined pads, down timetime, etc. JM offered me some pads. I will check but I think its been over 3 months and still nothing. I regularly wasted time reminding JM. He used to say things like "sorry I've been busy" and then do nothing, but now he just ignores me. I tried reaching out to YT Europe, US since they can't be as bad but unfortunately they sent me back to JM.

If sending pads is so hard, they could have just given a small credit. 5 minutes not 3 months to do this.

Buyer advise: Buy only if you can do your own maintenance and are ok with not having a useful warranty, then you will get a great bike and deal.
  • + 10
 They should offer a frame only option so you can build it how you want and limit warranty issues. I haven't purchased a complete since like 1985 for just this reason.
  • + 2
 @VENOM2034: Some older E13 aluminum cranks (2015 and before) had puller cap issues. As far as I know E13 went to a new design in 2016/17. YT only uses their carbon cranks on the Pro model now. They use RF cranks below that (which aren't without issue either)
  • - 13
flag makripper (Sep 10, 2018 at 11:21) (Below Threshold)
 @ShempHoward: no.
  • + 10
 @makripper: "They should offer a frame only"
  • - 12
flag makripper (Sep 10, 2018 at 11:24) (Below Threshold)
  • + 1
 @MRwillP: in Canada you are looking at around 30% more MSRP spec for spec on brands like Norco, Devinci, Specialized vs. YT. Santa Cruz is 35-80% more (80% being top spec V10CC/HTLT/Nomad with carbon rims).

Fully agree about issues with YT Canada though, that guy really needs to hire some support staff. Been lucky with my Jeffsy thankfully.
  • + 0
 @gramboh: Send me 7k and I'll get you the real joint from the factory.
  • + 6
 @gramboh: My apologies... my math is a bit off. 10-20% is not realistic. The value proposition with YT is nearly impossible to beat.

I have had a bad experience but it's good to hear others have not.

The customer-direct business models have changed the industry but I'm still not convinced it is the way to go. Up here in Canada our riding season is short and issues like the ones I have detailed really are annoying. Every day you can't get out and ride because your new bike is broken, is a frustrating day.
  • + 4
 I own a Tues CF Pro Race and could not agree more with everything you said. YT canada’s Service is ridiculously poor. I have been waiting for a carbon rim for a year and a half and the guy says : i will ship it tomorrow every time i talk to him lol
  • + 1
 @MRwillP:

So true! I have broken every possible e13 part lol.

Broke a e13 carbon crank on my first dh day in Whistler
  • + 2
 @ShempHoward: I too would like a frame only option in Canada. Let me build it how I want it. If you switch the region to Europe on their site, frameset options are available. Why not on this side of the ocean? Odd.
  • + 3
 @nicfugere: So call the Better Business Bureau and file a complaint? If they don't want to listen to their customers they may listen to the BBB.
  • + 1
 @shredb4dead: Because the Euro + VAT makes them a lot more $$$ than selling in Canada?
  • + 4
 @mollow: I'd still take th htlt
  • + 1
 @ShempHoward: and lack of frame only in Canada!
  • + 4
 My Jeffsy has e13 wheels & hubs. The rear axle sleeve broke, but the updated part is actually in 2 pieces, just like the broken piece. (???) As a result, there's quite a bit of knocking around when I'm really cranking uphill. Kind of annoying, but I guess it's nothing to be worried about mechanically.

That being said, e13's customer service was great. If you have an issue with one of their components, contact them directly, not YT. They replaced that part for me for free, no questions asked. Didn't even ask for a receipt from when I bought the bike.
  • + 2
 Two of my buddies bought Jeffsys at the same time, both had similar issues over a few months mostly with the ethirteen wheels and has the exact experience you speak of with the rep not answering his phone, no call backs and basically tried to brush them off. I was considering one but got a Pivot instead based on their issues.
  • + 0
 @VENOM2034: the e13 ones seized on after only a few months of use. I only noticed when I wanted to fit a bash guard for the Alps. YT wouldn't accept it was a warranty issue and wanted me to send the entire bike back to Germany one week before I was due to go. I didn't bother and kept the cranks on until I eventually hacksawed them off and put SRAM on. Apparently a few people had the same issue with those cranks. They also needed a specific tool to get them off, which of course no one on the UK stocked...
  • + 2
 @covekid: tbh it was YT's response to my crank issues that p'd me off and has put me off buying another...
  • + 46
 @MRwillP Sorry to hear about your experience trying to get warranty support for our products from YT in Canada.

For any future issues (Ill send you a PM if you have current ones yet to be resolved), please reach out to us directly at support@bythehive.com. We do global warranty and tech support from that address (or support.eu@bythehive.com for our euro brothers and sisters).

It looks like you have reached out to us in the past already inquiring about crank boots and your inquiry was answered the same day. This is generally the type of service and support you can expect when contacting us directly.

Sorry again about that experience. Drop us a line directly if you need any support in the future and we will be sure to get you sorted right away.
  • + 3
 Can’t afford to not nail customer service these days. The internet is ‘forever’ and makes the world far too small to not do all you can to keep the customer happy.
  • + 1
 A very wealthy executive told me a company in any market can either have the lowest cost and bad service or the opposite. Attempting to have both is not sustainable. Seems like YT is going with low cost approach but hopefully improves in time.
  • - 7
flag Franzzz (Sep 10, 2018 at 15:44) (Below Threshold)
 Buy a Commençal next time. No carbon bullshits, no E-13 bullshits, no support issues in Canada /??/ if they do their job, and no boring cinematic and design.
  • + 8
 @Franzzz: Commencal uses E13 on a bunch of bikes too. Maybe all of it isn't "bullshits"?
  • + 1
 @MRwillP: I hear ya. I took the gamble as I live in Vancouver and YT Canada guy was in Squamish at the time so short drive for me to show up in person if issues arise (squeaky wheel gets the grease).

I usually steer people to Commencal as their customer service is way better in Canada.
  • + 1
 @mulv1976: Did you literally saw the cranks off? Were they stuck?
  • - 2
 @jamesdunford: i guess u don't ride hard enough
  • + 2
 @Flowcheckers: Yep, only way they would come off as they were completely seized on, and the "special tool" pulled the thread out. Literally hacksawed one side off until I could push them through. It took me about an hour with a few breaks and I then had to replace cranks and bottom bracket too, so it was an expensive swap...
  • + 4
 The jeffsy cf pro race is currently on discount. Top spec, just £3400 including carbon wheels! Basically the same price as a Santa Cruz frame and shock... but you also get fox factory suspension, renthal carbon bars, the list goes on and on! Surely it's worth a punt on the customer service?
  • - 1
 But is it worth getting a not nearly as good frame?@jaame:
  • + 3
 @ethirteen-components: Thanks for reaching out and for the record, I have never had an issue dealing with E13 directly. Disconnects and ball drops on the warranty end of things only occur once YT gets involved.

Thanks again!
  • + 1
 @freeridejerk888:

agreed the quality of a SC is higher than a YT... but lots of riders prefer a horst link over vpp and lots of riders are looking at the value proposition.

i might just cream my pants tho once the HTLT is updated with the new nomad/bronson design. dayum!
  • + 4
 @WasatchEnduro: There is nothing like horst link vs vpp, because every suspension implementation is different and shock tune/kind is also very important. Capra seems to be a great example - on paper it is better then Meta in every regard, in reality, some idiot put an air shock on it and somehow a bike with more travel and less pedal kickback handles worse in the rough. Not to mention the flex which seems to cause RWS going loose. A bike is sum of all parts, always. And every horst link bike rides different, but most of them have rear flex problem (I ride a horst link bike).
  • + 1
 That's my point. SC is what you have a poster of on your wall as a kid. Not YT. Don't get me wrong there bikes rip. There just not in exotic league @WasatchEnduro:
  • + 3
 @ethirteen-components: Have to commend eThirteen for handling a cassette compatibility issue I had (Hope xD driver plus e13 seems to equal slightly wobbly cassette). They sent me the previous model (threaded) which seems to fit much better than the new one. It cost me nothing and they had it fixed within a couple days. I wouldn't hesitate to buy the replacement carrier when it wears as it's also shifted very well.
  • + 2
 The experience I’ve had with my Capra and now my friend with his Jeffsy has been great. SRAM brakes had issues with the master cylinder. Sent out an email on Sunday heard back Monday and had new levers/master cylinder on the bike before the weeken ride. Had to tighten up the bottom bracket once and replace a chain guide. Other than that the bike and components have been excellent.

My friend had an issue with his rear monarch shock. Heard back the next business day and had to send it in to get warrantied but ended up upgrading his shock anyway. If a shop has to send in a part for warranty it takes the same amount of time.

Stuff on bikes breaks. Fortunately the customer service from YT in the US has been good for me and I just recently bought a Jeffsy that I’m really liking for like half what people are paying for a similar spec’d bike. Carbon looks cleaner and better and the bike was properly built.
  • + 1
 Santa Cruz is certainly a shining example of build and finish quality. Yt is not as good. Nowhere near. That said, I also have a top brand carbon road bike, not a direct sales brand, and the finish quality on that is nothing on Santa Cruz either. I do prefer the Horst link bikes I've tried over VPP to be honest.
  • + 1
 You said if you pedal more than descend, than it’s the bike for you but just before that, you said you rarely shuttle! Which means...you’re pedaling, correct? So how is it you bought the wrong bike?
  • + 74
 I feel like this is a review I could use to base a decision on, as opposed to the typical "climbs like an X, descends like an X" PB boilerplate.

Right on.
  • + 11
 Seconded. Thanks @mikekazimer
  • + 11
 Its a shame it wasnt tested with a coil, to see if that aleviated its main complaint.
  • - 5
flag kleinblake (Sep 10, 2018 at 10:56) (Below Threshold)
 @hamncheez: doesn’t sound like he checked how many volume spacers there were in the shock too. Making sure that the shock had 0 would probably be important
  • + 26
 @kleinblake, I did, and even without any spacers it didn't mute the rough stuff as much as I expected.
  • + 15
 Should have tested the 27.5 version. I hear it's more supple and it's the right wheel size.
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer: What valve code?
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: cool, thanks
  • + 3
 @hamncheez: I put a dhx2 coil on mine and its night and day from dpx. Small bump is amazing and handles rough way better.
  • - 12
flag speed10 (Sep 10, 2018 at 13:12) (Below Threshold)
 @Smoke4ndmears of course it is POSSIBLE that @mikekazimer offered us “Pinkers” the meaty review we’ve been longing for, but isn’t it more LIKELY that this shill industry marketing website was given contributions from consumer-direct supressors (the LBS), in attempt to dwindle sales from their biggest threat, the do no wrong YT mob!!?? #scandal
  • + 4
 @Jackson900: almost the right wheel size...another 1.5 inches and its there
  • + 1
 The European reviews I have read also rate the 27.5 more highly than the 29er.
  • + 54
 Jesus. What is with you people and freaking water bottles?
  • + 187
 We’re thirsty.
  • + 71
 The mount that broke Camelbak
  • + 12
 I carry a water bottle for my dog and take the pack for myself, nice to have options!
  • + 6
 @Dogl0rd: We need lead mounts and a bottle cage for a can of dog food
  • + 16
 @Dogl0rd: a dog needs to carry his own shit
  • - 15
flag FindDigRideRepeat (Sep 10, 2018 at 9:19) (Below Threshold)
 Best way to hydrate for a ride is drinking water well before the actual ride. A little bottle of water during your ride doesn’t actually do much.
  • + 8
 @mollow: how? where's the f'ing bottle cage on him?
  • - 11
flag mollow (Sep 10, 2018 at 9:28) (Below Threshold)
 @Dogl0rd: get him a proper harness like you should have done in the first place if you were planning on bringing him in the woods...
  • + 5
 @mollow: And preferably pick it up and take it home.
  • + 13
 @FindDigRideRepeat: do you only ride for 20 minutes
  • + 7
 Buy a bike with water bottle for short rides. And take the bike without water bottle for long rides.
  • + 9
 @chyu: genius. Everybody knows a bike is cheaper than an hydration bladder
  • + 0
 @mollow: so your pro harness has a bottle cage?
  • + 4
 @mollow those aren't bottle cages, smartass. you suck at this, but keep telling people what they "should have done in the first place" since you know everyone.
  • + 3
 I live in the high desert, so it can be helpful having extra water on long 30+ Mi rides. I used to carry a camelback but w/ 3 bad discs in my back, there’s only so much weight a fanny pack can bear
  • + 1
 Clamp one onto the front of that seatpost/seattube
  • + 21
 Because is the new "trend" (read way to make people buy new stuff) and people here were not around 10-15 years ago for all the arguments about backpacks vs. bottle cages and why everybody needed to buy a backpack...

Weight is better on the body than on the bike (true)
Easier to drink
Can carry the tools and other stuff
Protect your back
Clean water
etc..

When I look at people that posts rides on PB, most of them go on 4-5 miles rides.... or "long" 10-15 miles... they do not need a backpack... they just need to ride the bike more to understand the use of a backpack. Or what it means to ride a bike.
  • + 0
 @RedRedRe: 15 miles with lots of elevation is long. Sorry.
  • + 4
 @mikekazimer: drink beer instead of water. Problem solved.
  • + 8
 @mikekazimer: because everyone needs a water bottle on their 170mm 29er park bike (that is triple crown ready)...
  • + 4
 i use ski straps and electrical tape to lash a bladder to my frame #enduro solutions
  • + 1
 @BenPea: The really well trained ones just eat it.
  • + 0
 @metaam: i nearly added that but didn't in the end.
  • + 0
 @BenPea: Yeah sorry, couldn't help myself.
  • + 2
 @FindDigRideRepeat: try living in the desert dude...every drop counts
  • + 1
 @RedRedRe: small world you live in mate
  • + 9
 @BryceBorlick: I have six cup holders on my handlebars. If I lose one, no problem, I have 5 more. I also have 2 cup holders on my helmet. I also have bladders in my shoes. Sip on every down stroke. There's no way I'm putting anything on my back!!! Whatever
  • + 0
 @RedRedRe: The way people ride and trail centres in general are completely different to what they were 10-15 years ago. camelpaks were 100% nesscary back then but not now. Bikes handle A LOT better with weight on them over rough shit vs a light bike that pings off the bumps and cant find grip, & you can put tools/tube/water/co2 (the same shit you would be lugging around anyway) on the bike & put the weight to good use instead of carrying a sweaty monkey on your back.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Mount the broke bak camel???
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69: Brake Bump Mountain, can't quit'ya!
  • + 1
 @bubbrubb: this is not the bike for long 30 mile rides. The Jeffsy has a water bottle.
  • + 1
 @Zachmozach: says you. My legs say differently, especially when you have access to DH runs over 10 miles long.
  • + 2
 @bubbrubb: DH run and water bottle, must make a good Jerry of the day.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: sure call me
jerry but it’s not like that. I can climb just shy of 3k’ xc, access the bike park on the ski mountain, and ride back down to my truck. I know it’s a bit picky to exclude all bikes that don’t include bottles, but that’s the beauty of our well developed mtb market. Like the anti- 1x guys, or the people who scoff at giant cassettes, there’s a market for it.
  • + 1
 @bubbrubb: i meant that reaching for the water bottle on a DH run would make a perfect candidate for jerry of the day video. Nothing personal to you. Cheers!
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: all good Waki, WeRideBikes homie
  • + 33
 Good comparison with the Meta 29...helps put things into better perspective. I love that the PB reviews have been doing more comparisons of late.
  • + 24
 @mikekazimer it would be interesting to compare the Capra pro race 27.5 against the 29er! Same bike, same rider, different wheels. True in comparison
  • + 16
 Plenty of water available in the jug by the chairlift.
  • + 5
 At the resort I really like having a water bottle. A backpack sucks on the lift and on hot days the jug runneth dry.
  • + 0
 @acali: I'm glad that I rarely see hot days at 9000ft and above. The water runneth plentifully at the bottom and top of the lift where I ride
  • + 2
 @Mntneer: Check your messages. Been trying to get a hold of you to possibly buy your Madone 4.5 if you still have it.
  • + 12
 There are lots of people wandering how the Capra 29 is with a coil. I have a Super Deluxe coil tuned by Diaz Suspension Design on mine. It’s good. Like really good. The combo of super progressive linkage+ air spring means you get no support until the very end of travel then you hit a wall of ramp due to linkage and airspring hanging up on you. The coil provides early and mid support. The linkage provides bottom out.

As for set up and value out of the box it is good. But not as good as a top shelf Pivot, Santa Cruz etc.

The e13 cassette 46t bent on ride 5. Easy warantee thanks to e13. Will get Eagle next season.

The hubs are good but the rims are made of cheese. I put them on my trail bike and got some DT Swiss xm481 wheels for this bike

Race Face BB lasted one month. Replaced with Wheels Mfg.

It needed an angle set- got the Works -1.5. Now 63 degree. Mucho Better

With the coil, all in I’d say I’m near the price of a well outfitted Yeti, but I have EXACTY what I want. And it is the best bike I’ve ever been on.
  • + 1
 Why did you go with Super Deluxe vs ??? I have the same bike and thinking about the same thing. I put on We Are One composites and love my Capra, except for the shitty paint.
  • + 2
 I got the Super Deluxe because that is the shock that my suspension guy recommended. I’ve ridden his stuff for a while and it is just better than anything else I’ve tried. I had a 11-6 on my Wreckoning. I swapped out the 11-6 for the Diaz tuned Kage and prefer it by a large margin. The Super Deluxe is just as good and has a climb switch. The coil it the big step on this bike. The tune is preference. @ryan83:
  • + 3
 @MonsterTruck: That's great news to hear. I have a Kage RC on my Tues I've been debating who to send to. The stock L3L3 tune on it gives me too much high speed damping even opened all the way up.

Also, Google shot back some fun results when I entered "Diaz Suspension". Apparently smoking green and being in the UFC is a big no no! The more you know!

Found 'em though. "Website coming soon" so hopefully they're not slammed or on a hiatus or anything.

Thanks for the tip! That's what...oh nevermind. I'll see myself out.
  • + 1
 @LoganKM1982: Hahaha I like it!
I have been looking into the Capra 29 because I just am in love with the red on red paint. Most reviews I've read say the 27 is better though... but then they are also comparing a float x2 to a dpx. I would probably put a dhx2 on it if I got one. Good to know it goes well on the 29.
  • + 2
 Love mine with a DHX2. Did not like it at all with the DPX2. I think overall too progressive for most folks for typical endure without a coil to make it as linear as possible, at least at my size. But with a coil it is super fun for endure and the bike park.
  • + 10
 I splashed out on the CF Pro model of one of these a few months back (160mm rear via DPX2 and 160mm 36 fork), it's a beast and I haven't regretted the decision for a second. It's mainly getting used as a trail bike (up,down,around), as I've been entirely underwhelmed by other bikes I've tried over recent years for this purpose. I get so many comments about it being too much bike for that purpose, but I hate going from my DH, back to 140mm odd trail bike that just get's out of it's depth too quick. No sense being first to the top, if your hesitant the whole way down! I'd ride my Capra all day, every day, any day. Those e13 tyres are grippy and squishy as hell as mentioned, which is rad for descents and when it's gnarly, but switching out to something a little less aggressive makes it more distance friendly absolutely. Those factory saddles are weird as the review suggests too, but the secret is a few extra degrees forward tilt and they feel much more like a "normal" shape. Tyres and saddles are pretty cheap anyway right!? My last few bikes have been a Stumpy, Remedy 29er, Genius LT, Enduro 29er, and the CF Pro 29er blitzes all of them in all areas in my opinion.
  • + 4
 Agreed I've owned two YT's no regrets. Progressive suspension is what makes the YT's feel snappy on the jumps and on lower speed trails (up, down, around), but capable as hell anyways.

prefer the 27 wheels though, helps keep the weight down and the playful up. .
  • + 4
 Try a zeroed taniwha , they are fkn mean !!
  • + 1
 @mountaincross: Yep, and the initial release reviews liked the 27.5 Capra more than the 29er in the main.
  • + 1
 @headshot @mountaincross I think we're all meant to accept that wheel size is 100% personal preference these days though right.
  • + 14
 YT needs to make a rowdy all-mountain hardtail at YT's attractive prices
  • + 7
 Agree. With adjustable drop-outs for single speed option.
  • + 14
 Ima waiting 'till I can demo one at my LBS.
  • + 9
 “I was using all 170mm of travel, but the amount of ramp up at the end of the stroke made those big hits feel a bit jarring”

So what you’re saying is you were bottoming it out but you wish it bottomed out harder
  • + 14
 Not at all. It’s the rising rate of the suspension curve that gives the bike that jarring feeling part way (not all the way) through the travel. I mentioned that I was still able to use all the travel because in some cases removing a volume spacer would be the answer to that scenario, but not in this instance.
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer: Did you change the suspension set-up for the rough stuff or keep the same as for the bike park?
  • + 3
 @Travel66, there weren't many changes I could have made - I was already running the LSC and HSC fairly open, and there was only one volume spacer in there.
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer: Found the same on my old Capra
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer: I have found my 27.5 prefers a bit more sag in the really rough stuff (doesn't mean it would be the same for the 29 of course). I also note it seemed to take a long while for the shock to run in and get smoother.
  • + 8
 @mikekazimer: Which is why such bikes are great for 200lb+ guys who try to run Giants with 350psi in the shock but still blow through the regressive ending stroke everywhere.
  • + 2
 @MikeyMT: My Jeffsy is similar. I like to say the bike rewards you for being an active rider but is the 1st to tell you when you get lazy or make a mistake. I find the Tues is also pretty progressive but not really as noticeable when bottomed out.
  • + 1
 @daugherd: They definitely both get twitchy if you're not hauling the mail and ever hesitate, which I like, but it can be unnerving when you do lose focus or botch your line.
  • + 3
 Correct offroad suspension is an air shock combined with an essentially linear LR, aka Yeti.
Or a coil combined with a quite progressive LR.

How not to do it for proper handling on jumps and big hits: Foxy on a coil. X2 Air on a Capra.. PDS on KTM dirt bikes (linear LR & linear coil spring). all dirt bikes pre progressive linkage ratios before 1981.
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer: did you try it without the spacer? I took mine out and it dialed in much better, albeit with the DPX2. I ride nothing but slow and fast chunky trails and now find it to be more supportive than the Bronson and Enduro it replaced.
  • + 5
 I call fake news from the mtb deep state. They want everybody to keep paying 8K+ for the high end zoot.
  • + 0
 @mountaincross: Kind of odd no direct comparison against the 170mm Scott Ransom which was only reviewed just the other day.
  • + 2
 @Travel66, I haven’t had the chance to ride the Ransom yet, hence the lack of a direct comparison. We haven’t reviewed it yet either - that’s in the works.
  • + 1
 @ryan83: I am currently selling my 2018 Bronson 2.1 C R1 build because 1) the bike is slightly too small for me and 2) I find its really chattery on my chunky rooty punchy trails. I almost traded a guy for his 2018 alloy Akon An process but I may get this Capra today. Gotta make the decision. I’m reading about this bike being chattery too is making me nervous, especially since that Process 153 was so smooth on the big chunk. I’m on east coast trails with short ups and downs but I tend to ride 10-20 miles at a time.

Any suggestion? Kona process or yt Capra AL comp?
  • + 1
 @tkrumroy: I don't know much about the Kona but the alloy Capra seems like a winner. Try the stock Super Deluxe and throw on a coil if you don't like it. The 230 x 60 size is the same as the new Nomad so there are a lot of takeoff Super Deluxe coils to be had for cheaper. I'm running the MRP Ribbon Coil (which is absolutely amazing) so when I have the bucks, I'll consider the MRP Hazzard for fun.
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: My bad, I mixed up the reviewer, but very keen to hear your view!
Appreciate quite a niche reviewing 170mm 29ers!
  • + 6
 Could someone please standardize seat tube angles at normal saddle size?

This bike (along with lots of others) has very slack seat tube.

Making the bike with short head tube and measuring the seat tube angle at the horizontal plane above the head tube could make one bike have effective seat tube angle at riding height drop from 76 to 66 degrees.

Likewise, reach measurement could drop a lot when you raise the bars with few spacers in order to avoid aero like position that's closer to TT bike than a MTB, especially if head tube angle is very slack.

If your handlebars are 60mm above top of the head tube (which is nothing really considering that just the stem raises them by 1/3rd of it's lenght), your reach is going to be 20mm shorter.

In contrast, bike with say 30mm taller head tube is going to provide you with 10mm more reach all things being equal.
  • + 2
 A supplement to ETTs providing lengths above horizontal in cm increments would allow us to compare to what we've already got. Transition Bikes has opted instead to mock potential customers by providing 'ineffective' top tube length measured in parsecs...at least it shows there's a problem.
  • + 10
 Soo when's a review on the new Bronson coming out?
  • + 6
 Take note bike manufacturers! A top spec carbon bike with NO cut corners for $5,200 USD.

And it's dual crown compatible! ; ) Big Grin
  • + 6
 With the price of the FB29 and the SB150, it's a little tough to swallow that you can get 2 of these.
  • + 6
 @smartyiak: Yep. I've got my own hookers & blow to pay for. LoL
  • + 15
 no corners cut is pretty generous
  • + 5
 By no corners cut you mean average build quality, component failures and horrible after sales (going by the comments on here)
  • + 6
 No corners cut except for that one Canadian warranty guy who doesn't answer his phone.
  • + 7
 Sounds like this bike was designed for coil, strange that none of them come spec'd with one.
  • + 4
 I love the idea of direct to consumer. And I’m willing to ignore the percentage of not happy buyers over customer service and warranties. But for us on the west coast, USA, the stock of available bikes seems crazy low, let alone the stories of shipping delays (which could get worse in the current trade environment), which went from weeks to months for some, at least from what posters on mtbr said. Yeah it’s great to grab a $4k YT base Capra carbon that a similar Hightower LT would cost after taxes around $6k. If they’re in stock, which seems rare, and if they actually get shipped/delivered (which might be a coin flip). I usually buy slightly used frames and slap on wheels, fork and components that I upgrade as needed. I’m really happy with the LT I got for around $2k, and after riding Santa Cruz (and Specialized and Giant, along with a Kona) for years, I really don’t see much of an upgrade going to consumer-direct from my current approach...now maybe if YT offered frame-only (like Evil and GG)....
  • + 1
 YT offers frame-only options for every frame and frame size in Europe atm. Maybe that option will be available in the US next year. 2299€ for both the Capra 27.5 and 29, 100€ less for the Jeffsy (usually prices between € and $ are taken over 1/1). Guess what, Capra is all sold out with no restock in sight...
  • + 3
 I support D to C . I hope all to D to C companies get popular enough to force all of the brands to go D to C.
  • + 4
 I'm a huge YT fanboy but the builds this year were strange. The whole E13 + shimano stuff, the SDG components on the lower end stuff. I think they lost the plot after 2016 IMO...I'm all for keeping prices low, but these mis-matched components most shops/people have never worked on are a mistake IMO.
  • + 5
 I get on very well with SDG saddles, but that's personal preference. As for the E13 cassette, i have them on 2 different bikes with Shimano XT and love them. I HATE the Shimano XT cassette. It's heavy and has clunky shifting in that stupid 37 to 46T jump. If you're not going to spec Eagle, I think the E13 cassette is a great spec choice. It's light and offers Eagle like range. Shifts better than 11 speed XT too.
  • + 2
 wearable bits that are easy to replace. Even if you replaced them out of the box the price for a complete + changed bits is still very respectable.

I have a Jeffsy w/ the XTR e.13 cassette and although I don't care for it as much as my XX1 stuff on my last bike, it gets the job done and doesn't impede my fun. You are correct though in that it's an odd match and finicky at best. I'll probably put a GX 12spd drivetrain on when this cassette dies.

I also have a Tues and the SRAM 7spd drivetrain + e13 mini cassette is pretty solid.
  • + 1
 @daugherd: GX is one way to go for sure, but will add a bunch of weight (almost a half pound). That's where staying 11 speed with a wide range cassette wins IMO...I also have a few friends with finicky GX setups. They're constantly adjusting the shifting that goes out of whack every few rides.
  • - 3
 I skipped them due to the poor dropper and press fit. Also it wouldn't hurt to have a frame only option.
  • + 4
 +1 for E13 cassette. I'm on the TRS Race on one bike and have M8000 cassette on the other. Both are running M8000 derailleurs and the shift quality is noticeably better on the E13. Based on the weight and shift performance, the E13 cassette can't be beat IMO.
  • + 3
 I love my XTR/E13 cassette setup. Works very well and has been very durable over 50 rides of 1.5 hours average.
  • + 7
 wow a bike thats long travel and finally doesnt climb well. i thought id never see the day pb said it doesnt climb well.
  • + 4
 Thanks for such an honest and straightforqard review Mike. Ots a good reminder to a lot of people of the fallacy that "ypu cant find a bad bike these days." People forget that bikes are more than the parts bolted to them. The frame is the most important part, and if the frame doesnt rise great, it doesnt mattwr qhat a good deal it is.
  • + 4
 Interesting that no one has ever discussed the fact that DT's RWS axles CONSTANTLY come loose, on many different brands of bikes. They are easy to use, but they are not all that.
  • + 2
 That is sadly true. I have to tighten mine before each ride, it's that bad
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer any thoughts here?
  • + 3
 My capra al has been amazing,so much so I’m buying the pro race when it’s back in stock. The one warranty problem I had with the e thirteen upper guide was one email to yt,then one email to s13,days later I had a new part in my mailbox.
  • + 1
 I’m about to pull the trigger on a capra al comp 29. However, I could also trade my bronson for an even Kona Process 153 al/dL build. Any thoughts?
  • + 3
 For the price, I still would go for this or the commencal. Spending over 6k on a bike is a bit excessive considering that other 29ers e.g Scott, yeti, specialized, trek are way too expensive with the same high-end components. All you pay for is a fancy name.
  • + 10
 With those fancy names comes the ability to leave any problems with the bike or its components with your LBS. Consumer direct bikes provide a great value for money, but not the convenience of service after the sale.
  • - 5
flag MikeyMT (Sep 10, 2018 at 8:33) (Below Threshold)
 Check the prices again and what you really get. The Slash 9.9 is not much more than this (1500 more) but you get Eagle, Bontrager wheels, and everything else more or less the same.

I love YT but they have lost the plot with all this E13 and SDG crap.
  • + 4
 If this was Alloy it would be $2500 - just sayin... the industry makes you all pay a premium for a plastic bike.
  • + 29
 @apartmentwhale: sure your LBS will help you with warranty and the typical "free tune-ups for a year when you buy a bike" but can we please stop pretending that the LBS will turn you away if you have a commencal or a YT. I didn't buy my devinci at my LBS and they help me out all the time and their labour is reasonable. And no, the part spec you see here vs the same spec for $10000 on a Yeti.... that extra $3000 is not at all what your LBS services are worth. That is such a huge chunk of money. Any shop that turns a bike away because you didn't buy it there is throwing money away and is a crappy shop.
  • + 6
 @BEEner: 100%. And not to mention LBS aren't always perfect with service even if you bought your bike there...
  • + 3
 @mollow: ohh boy could I tell you some horror stories from over the years...
  • + 3
 @MikeyMT: LOL at Bontrager wheels. E13 carbon wheels are far superior and have lifetime warranty. I haven't read a bad review about them. Their tires review well too. As for SDG, a ton of OE's spec those saddles. If they don't work for you thats fine doesn't mean they're crap...Not sure where the Trek is $1500 better.
  • + 1
 @BEEner: a good LBS isn't going to turn you away, but warranty issues take longer because you're dealing with three parties instead of two. You're out of your bike for longer, and that's if its component - if you're dealing with a frame issue the wait is much longer. In addition, I can assure you component companies are WAY more responsive to local LBS than individual customers.
  • + 3
 @apartmentwhale: Ya I get that which was an aside to my original comment. Personally I emailed a brand about a warranty issue and got a response pretty quickly. I personally haven't had the issue you described, but I do believe it. My point was more that people are, more and more, implying that an LBS is going to turn their back on you if you don't buy from them. And honestly, I made a warranty claim at a shop where I didn't buy my bike from... and they helped me out no problem and were super cool about the whole thing. The only warranty a bike shop can't help you with is the frame. I for one don't think that is worth 3000 bucks in the case of a TOTL bike. It's not the shops fault these bikes are so expensive though... which is the worst part of this whole argument Frown
  • + 5
 @BEEner: I have never had an lbs turn me away because I didn't buy my bike from them. Hell, I'd say they make a good chunk of change maintaining bikes. Yeah, there have been a bunch of comments in the past claiming this happens. Can't imagine any business doing that would last more than a moment.
  • - 4
flag zyoungson (Sep 10, 2018 at 21:23) (Below Threshold)
 Or get the spesh/yeti/ whatever in a lower end carbon model and swap parts as they wear out/sell them when new then you get the quality bike with hand picked parts and LBS support. I still want to see manufactures offer frames at good prices or frame/fork/shock combos for people who know what they want or have setups already
  • + 1
 @zyoungson: f*ck off. this is the biggest waste of time/money ever. I've found it's way better to buy a bike with exactly all the parts you want in the first place. your advice is terrible
  • + 6
 Would there be an improvement in climbing if one would get the 160mm version?
  • + 6
 I have a Capra 29 AL Comp with 160mm, I can’t compare it directly to this model reviewed here, but it feels plenty efficient for me on the ups (given how much it weighs and what it is really designed for). Good traction when open, and the lockout on the super deluxe is a help on the fireroads.
  • + 3
 I would like to know this one too. Any owners out there care to comment?
  • + 3
 I have a Aluminum Comp. It is difficult for me to compare it to many previous bike at that was a hardtail. I put at 28 tooth up front. I needed to get a little stronger with this bike but can climb well now.
  • + 1
 Hard to say without this model for comparison, but I got the CF Pro w/160, and I find it climbs excellent, you know it's a big bike still, but it's a far more competent/efficient climber IMHO than even some lower travel bikes I've tried as a reference. I mainly run mine in high (66ha) and quite firm in the shock for trail riding, but even when I have it plusher and in low for rowdier riding it's still well composed on the way up.
  • + 1
 From what I´ve read the only difference in the shock is a 5mm spacer, and ofc the 10mm more at the fork. Should climb better due to the slightly harder shock and lower front-end, but I cannot speak from experience.
  • + 3
 I own this bike and couldn't be happier, I find the rear suspension works awesome at 34% (22mm) sag and the progression of the suspension enables you to push hard without slamming to the bumpstop if you do end up running into a hole or jump to flat.

I have spent every weekend on the bike since May including 2 weeks at Morzine, 2 weeks at Whistler for the EWS and is still riding strong without any mechanicals so to speak, just your avarage consumables.

I also have elite VIP bottle mount on the downtube.
  • + 3
 Also have works components - 1 degree headset. The thing rips best bike I have ridden.
  • + 3
 @mikekazimer: Do you wish that YT spec'd a 44mm offset fork on this bike?

As a consumer and 29er fan I am confused with what fork offset is best. I just built up a Wreckoning and opted for a 44mm offset. Figured its worth a shot. I am also in the market for a short travel 29er and the fork offsets between brands is confusing. Intense offers the Sniper in 100 and 120mm, The 100mm bike comes with 44mm, but the 120mm bike with 51mm. Yeti specs the 120mm SB100 with a 44mm.

I know you guys have done some back to back fork testing on longer travel 29er, but what are your thoughts for these short travel bikes?

Cheers!
  • + 25
 I don't really get too hung up on offset - I've found that I can easily get used to either option, especially on bikes with slacker head angles. The shorter offset can make the front end feel a little 'calmer' for lack of a better word, which may be what Intense was trying to achieve on the Sniper with the 100mm fork - they wanted that bike to handle in a similar way to the one with the longer fork (and resulting slacker head angle).

For me, I've found that head angle has a much more noticeable impact on how a bike handles. Offset is getting a lot of hype because it's another part of the geometry equation that hadn't been considered that much before, but it's not anything to lose sleep over.
  • + 4
 @mikekazimer: you the man! Thanks for the reply
  • + 6
 @mikekazimer: glad to hear an honest response to that question, this whole offset thing has been blown way out of proportion.
  • + 2
 Ive had nothing but a good experience here in NZ with my Jeffsy 27 and local customer service.. The rear E13 hub did shite itself but they sent a a new sleeve so 30min fix. I did have an issue with what I think was over tightened spokes and they kept snapping but all sorted now. All raceface gear is reliable.
  • + 2
 Yeah another vote for YT support here in NZ, I personally haven't had any issues with the bike, but they've been super responsive to a few general enquiries. The warranty related claims I've heard of have been dealt with the same.
  • + 5
 I remember back when not having space for a water bottle was considered a positive, aka 2017 Yeti
  • + 6
 Since 27.5 are proving to be faster, can we get a review on one of those?
  • + 3
 You mean, “since 27.5 was faster in yesterday’s race”.....

Sometimes a 29er will be faster, sometimes a 27.5 will be faster.... this is not complex.
  • + 14
 @Timroo1: And in all the EWS this year.
  • + 7
 @cmkneeland: cecile
  • + 5
 Newsflash: it comes down to the rider not the wheelsize they prefer.

I know, sounds insane, right? Now you can stop being a dick about your prefered wheelsize. Thank you
  • + 9
 @mollow: As soon as all these 29ers stop replacing good bikes.
  • + 1
 @cmkneeland: is there a shortage of long travel 27.5 bikes that I’m unaware of? Hmm
  • + 11
 @Timroo1: There's certainly a shortage of reviews on them.
  • + 8
 They used to say 26 was the fastest against 27.5 and 29, then there were tests that showed 29 was the fastest with 26 as a close second, either way it is all about the course and rider. For example my first FS was a 29er and to this day I hate it, I switched to a 26 and then to a 27.5. The 26 is my personal favorite but in order to get you a new bike the bike companies have to convince you your old one is outdated. My brother, a reformed 26 hater, tried my old 26er and found he rode twice as fast with it on any jump oriented trail. A 29er could be the right choice for some, though I feel like it's not for the majority of people. I guess my point is all these statistics and ideas of which is faster is always changing, the fastest bike depends on the trail and the riders style. Though I would like to comment on jumping with 29ers, there is a reason BMX riders use small wheels, the advantage is unmistakable. Don't pretend it compares, there is no magic size, 29ers roll better and are faster on straight sections than the competition, but they don't by nature jump as well.
  • + 1
 @cmkneeland: follow is major dbag that loves to try and sound smart but comes across like an asslick.
  • - 11
flag mollow (Sep 10, 2018 at 14:19) (Below Threshold)
 @Beez177: cry me a river
  • + 6
 @Timroo1: not just 27.5 but Bruni also had 2.3 inch Specialized tires on there with 25mm internal Alu rims - OMG the world is gonna fall off its axis! probably had an alu bar as well.
  • + 3
 @cmkneeland: Bike magazine just reviewed 6 of them back to back, and even compared them for you. The 29ers aren’t stealing your bikes or internet data.

I’ll get downvoted for saying that I bet by the anti 29er crew. They have lots of downvotes in their arsenal.
  • - 1
 @SonofBovril: not sure why that was directed at me. I said that different wheel sizes can win at different times, especially with different riders.
  • + 1
 @Timroo1: I just counted the last 9 reviews of the long travel "enduro" category on their website and they're all 29ers. I hope it's not a trend.
  • - 1
 @cmkneeland: ????????‍♂️. They did 2 rounds of long travel side by side tests. The one the just did was a 29er. The one a couple weeks ago was a 27.5. Come on dude.
  • + 2
 @SonofBovril:


Bruni's a fkn wizard! Black magic!
  • + 1
 Not sure how the Capra comes stock but I own a '17 Jeffsy and the shock was packed with volume spacers. Given how progressive YT designs their suspension, taking out spacers in the shock would help. Not sure if the reviewer looked at this, but my Jeffsy was the same way on repeated hard hits due to the crazy high ramp up at the end of the curve.
  • + 4
 That wasn't the case here - it came with only 1 spacer in the X2.
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: how do you think a coil would fair in that thing?
  • + 3
 @mikekazimer: coil it then. And why 1 spacer? Take it out if its still too progressive, You'll even get brtter mid support
  • + 2
 Capra 29er owner here, that bike shouldn’t have any spacers. It’s also an ideal candidate for a coil shock but I know this is a stock bike test.
  • + 7
 @splsce: I own the 160mm Capra pro with a Fox DPX2. After trying everything on the stock shock I was still unsatisfied with it. I put a DHX2 coil on mine and couldn’t believe how much it changed. It just wouldn’t eat up the gnar before and now it just slays rock gardens and has improved traction everywhere. Now I wouldn’t trade this bike for anything.
  • + 2
 @Seven02guy: Makes sense, why put air on a progressive design, seems like you just make it extra progressive.
  • + 5
 @mikekazimer: If you take a look at the linkage analysis, for what it's worth, this Capra 29 is probably the most progressive trail bike I've ever seen. Even more so than the 27.5. Pedal feedback seems average.

linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2018/02/young-talent-capra-29-2018.html

Wonder if its hitting a wall of progression 2/3 of the way through the travel and makes it transmit a lot of feedback on medium sides hits? Seems like a great candidate for a coil. I never understood why people match linear bikes with coils, and super progressive bikes is air. Anyway, another excellent review Mike! One of the few reviewers I trust.

Sincerely,
A Suspension Geek
  • + 1
 Interesting. I have a ‘16 Capra and need to try a coil. What fork are you running?
  • + 3
 @rzalewski6: Agree. While the 2018 27.5 is 8% less progressive than the V1, the 2018 Capra 29 is actually MORE progressive than the original 27.5 Capra (LR 3.5- 2.1). Look on Linkage design. I love mine with a coil, but they basically put the progression at a point where you have tuned an air shock with no spacers all the way toward the edge of the tuning range. I honestly wish they had chilled it a bit, but it rocks with a coil.
  • + 1
 Ive ordered and received my Pro Race 29 but im away and have not built it up yet. Currently on the CF Pro Race from 2016 which I adore, was obviously planning to sell her on but I reckon with the issues that have been flagged I'll just hold onto it and see how we get on with potential issues on the new bike. The 2016 version has a shite BB but everything else has been pretty damn flawless for the amount of miles I've put in. Would be highly disappointing if YT has let their standards slip with the new models. Fingers crossed.
  • + 1
 So plenty of mid support, ramps up fast.
Doesn't handle rough sections that well.
At least your honest.
Yes this suspension set up is great for fast flows trails.
At a compromise when riding gnar.
Yet the frame is built to handle a dual crown fork.
I would set up the suspension as a plush mini DH bike.
I wonder if the progressive nature of the shock linkage would prevent the bike from behaving like a DH bike?
  • + 3
 put a coil shock on the back and a 190mm triple clamp on the front and you have a serious mini DH/park bike! rough sections handled...
  • - 4
flag Sshredder (Sep 10, 2018 at 16:03) (Below Threshold)
 @SonofBovril:
The leverage curve is regressive at the end stroke.
I prefer a liniar leverage ratio.
A coil will feel better but I'm talking about the kinematics of the suspension.
  • - 1
 @justincs: read it.
And he states in an answer to a question that if the leverage curve was more liniar it would react better to small and meadium obstacles.
So thanks proof of my observation.
  • + 2
 @Sshredder: I can read just fine, the leverage ratio is progressive from beginning to end no regression in sight!
  • + 0
 @justincs: ok smart guy :
A progressive leverage curve is what?
It's a leverage that progressively gets lower as the rocker travels forward.
TOO MUCH Progression is the problem.
I've stated twice now a more liniar leverage ratio or less progression is what this frame needs.
More liniar less progressive leverage ratio.
The author and the link I read both make the same observation.
  • + 3
 @Sshredder: Read your own comment "The leverage curve is regressive at the end stroke" Smoke another half ounce I'll wait.
  • + 1
 @justincs: you win!
Your prize is you are a parrot stating the same irrelevant fact over and over again.
The author stated and erased about the regressive end stroke.
So I and the author assumed the regressive end stroke.
Which has nothing to do with too much progression.
Nothing to do with having a more liniar leverage curve.
The bike has too much progression in the leverage curve!!!!!
So please mention the non existent regressive curve at the end of the stroke again .
Want a cracker?
Poly.
  • + 1
 Surprised to read of the quick ramp-up of the rear linkage/shock. I recently received my Capra 29 170, already equipped with the 2019 X2 shock. (which is supposed to be more progressive than the 2018 shock)

Even despite this, I haven't got any issues using all of the travel in landings. (30% sag)
  • + 1
 I purchased the Capra 29" CF this year and I'm not going to sit here and say its perfect, cause out of the box its definitely not.. but neither is any other bike on the market for $3800. I definitely agree with this article in the fact that this bike is too progressive and with the super deluxe RC3 rear shock it would hit the mid stroke and pack out super bad in the rough, I switched over to Fox DHX2 coil and its feels amazing now. definitely think they could work on the drivetrain, the E*13 cassette runs like shit with the Shimano spec, really disappointing for it to run so poorly out of the box.
  • + 1
 "Limited Availability"??? As in they've been sold out for a couple months?

Seems weird to review a bike that can't be purchased. (but maybe they are still available somewhere else? allocate by country or something?) I assume they are waiting for the 2019 production runs to stock bikes again since they have no dates on any of the carbon capra 29's. But likely the parts spec will change and you'd likely want to review it again... Smile
  • + 1
 In Europe bikes are available. Not every size and spec though.
  • + 1
 @FloImSchnee: I just randomly watched some YT bike check and in another browser opened up their website to take a look and what the heck the bikes were in stock. Just some of them, but I was shocked... THEN realized I was on a browser I never use and had randomly was not set on the US... So then back to the US site and there gone... Smile

Makes sense they were available somewhere if they did a review. Weird that they don't "transfer" some of the unsold stock from one country to the next so they can get sales??
  • + 4
 I have had/seen the same issue with the DT Swiss rear skewer on several bikes I would take bolt on over convenience any day
  • + 2
 Don’t skip wrist day.
  • + 1
 Funny@ReductiMat:
  • + 1
 yeah secret is you just gotta giv'em heaps
  • + 4
 Damn water bottles!!!... What is with the roadie/xc requirement on these type of bikes! ????
  • + 5
 Alright. Now the Firebird 29 review, please.
  • + 1
 Interesting review.. mtb-news (German biggest mtb site) recently did a comparison test between this, the Orbea Rallon and the Raaw Madonna. They attested the Capra the most planted feel, with the bike being very smooth in even the roughest stuff, more akin a full downhill than enduro bike.

www.mtb-news.de/news/2018/09/04/enduro-bikes-test-2018

In the end you can´t trust just one guy writing something in the internet, I´m sure that the people testing on most of the bigger sites are really good riders, and everybody has his/her own opinions and preferences which you as a potential consumer have to filter through.
And then there are the people telling you "29ers can´t win races" or whatever.. come on we have so many options, how can anybody start a fight over gear?? Its like the camera fanbois now that every company is jumping on the mirrorless train "hue nikon owns canon, fuji sucks" etc. Calm down and just do fun stuff.
  • + 3
 Would be nice if the review included a dual crown and a coil shock segment considering the bike was designed for DH/Bike Park applications as well...
  • + 5
 Perfect 5/7
  • + 3
 Woah Woah now, 76 degree seat angles aren't considered steep anymore? Only steep-ish? That was fast.
  • + 2
 Haven't you seen the Yeti releases and whatnot? Everything's 77°, maybe 78°. 76° was SO yesterday. Tomorrow's bike might break 80°! Razz
  • + 2
 Dear Bike Companies,

Your marketing worked. I just saw a +$5000 bike and thought it was cheap.
  • + 1
 My e13 wheels blew up the first week when riding in whistler. Had them retensioned and first ride back they failed again. Not happy with them at all.
  • + 1
 76 degree seat angle lol! what's the ACTUAL seat angle? this bike will climb like junk for anyone tall or with a long inseam.
Pass.
  • - 4
flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 10, 2018 at 8:29) (Below Threshold)
 Pole fans do not agree. How dare you
  • + 4
 Agree - for some reason about all the testers confirm the companys seatangle infos whereas their real job should be to point out that the actual seat angle - (like most other bikes excepting Pole and Nicolai) are visibly and obviously way slacker. They are mostly parallel to the steer angle.
  • + 7
 @WAKIdesigns: wtf are you talking about? Pole has the exact design that should (and does) climb well - a steep ACTUAL seat angle.
  • - 1
 I honestly don't get: why would anyone normal put brake line inside the frame?! Is "clean look" that important that you're sentenced to all of misery when you want to change brakes?

Another thing: since when lack of water bottle mounts is a problem when you have so much alternative options for hydrating yourself?
  • - 1
 Pretty sure the rear shock is rammed full of spacers. Was on my 27.5 version. Take a few out if you want it less poppy. Not sure why that was not considered in the review. Its a 5 minute job to do it on the x2

As for customer support I think it really depends on where you are and if you can talk to YT direct. In the UK we can talk to YT directly in Germany and my 2 experiances with them over the 4 years of owning YTs' has been superb. One time the mechanic @ HQ called me while working on the bike to discuiss the issue I had raised. He had the bike infront of him in the stand as we went through it, and the bike was returned to me within 1 week. In comparison to the utterly painfull shop-distributer-manufacturer-distributer-shop .. communication Ive had to endure with other brands it was much much better.
  • + 2
 I have a ‘16 Capra and customer service has been good in the USA- although seemed slightly better in Reno. That said, I haven’t had any mechanical issues. So happy I got mine before the e-13 builds.
  • + 0
 Is this worth having? I just got mine from Morpheus Bikes and they really had a great customer service. They have different kinds of bikes for downhill, dirt and slopestyle. You can check it here www.morpheusbikes.com.
  • + 0
 Hey all those awake as fuk Down Country guys in Yeti 130 thread, tell us what sort of bikes we shouldn't ride - Some people may get overbiked - Oh my ghawd! BTW Don't enjoy sex my darling, Jesus's watching.
  • + 4
 Wow, some people have no sense of humor. Good one Waki... I laughed
  • + 0
 AAF
  • + 1
 Need info if the capra al comp 29 can use the MRP: Bartlett and Hazzard? Thank you in advance.
  • + 2
 So, between the capra and meta the winner is a Capra with a coil?
  • + 1
 Need info if the capra al comp 29 can use the MRP: Bartlett and Hazzard? Thank you in advance.
  • + 2
 Tell me about these Code Ultimates?!
  • + 6
 They're the same as the Code RSC, but with carbon lever blades. They're probably a little lighter, and your fingers don't get as cold when you're riding in the fall / winter.
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: Any idea of a release date for these bad boys as an aftermarket item? See nothing on SRAM’s website or our Canadian Distributor’s sites yet.
  • + 1
 It's short travel park bike or enduro race bike. Seems like too much bike for a rider who pushes uphills every ride.
  • + 1
 500mm reach with 490mm seat tube? yes please. just as soon as I've saved up some money
  • + 1
 Thinking CF Pro Race with a DHX2 will be my next bike. Need to try the 29 and 27.5 back to back at a demo day though.
  • + 1
 I was about to buy a DH bike from YT Canada but after this thread I think I will pass. Too bad.
  • + 2
 Love the 29er Capra! I’d buy one in a heartbeat
  • - 16
flag mollow (Sep 10, 2018 at 9:15) (Below Threshold)
 Well buy one then? Who gives a shit
  • + 2
 @mollow: Need to sell off my warden. My wife would kill me if I camehome with another bike Eek
  • - 6
flag mollow (Sep 10, 2018 at 9:38) (Below Threshold)
 @beeboo: tell her you bent it, their downtube looks f*cked anyway lol
  • + 4
 @mollow: Bend Carbon oh god no lol
  • + 1
 All it needs is a Super Live Plus Valve Boost suspension and then it will be spot on.
  • + 0
 Have fun putting 100grams worth of frame protection for their nail polish pain that flakes off I. One tide
  • + 1
 Had a friend have the same issue with the DT Swiss axle on a newer Pivot.
  • + 2
 BB height seems to tall
  • + 1
 Probably it would preform better on rough terrain with coil shock
  • + 1
 How about the SPECIALIZED ENDURO 29" comparison with this?
  • + 6
 Spaz Enduro costs 10k$ - comparison over...
  • + 1
 spesh needs to redesign that bike, there are alot of good things about the e29 but they need to get rid of the annoying shock and get the geo properly up to date.
  • + 0
 Since when was super-enduro a thing?
  • + 1
 Since last weeks Super-Enduro in Italia?
  • + 1
 We need something to make us feel more rad as we get older.
  • + 1
 ok . good bike . hahaha
  • + 1
 Orbea rallon ????
  • - 2
 Why make a bike in 2018 that can't hold a water bottle? Actually makes the bike unownable.
  • - 2
 COMMENCAL all the way.
  • - 2
 SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BIKE SHOP!!!
  • + 4
 I support local shops if they’re good shops i.e. good businesses. Great customer service and fair pricing get me every time.
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