RockShox Announces Longer Travel SID, New Twistloc Remote

Apr 7, 2018 at 19:46
by Mike Kazimer  
There's been a welcome resurgence of more technical tracks on the World Cup XC circuit, a change that's inspired racers to install dropper posts, wider tires, and to swap out hardtails for full-suspension rigs in order to gain more confidence and comfort.

To meet those changing demands, RockShox is introducing a 120mm version of their SID fork. The 100mm World Cup model will remain in the lineup as the ultralight option, thanks to its carbon steerer, but it will now be accompanied by a 120mm SID RLC and SID RL, both with aluminum steerers.

No matter the travel, all of the SID models use RockShox's Charger 2 damper, along with the new Debonair air spring, which uses an aluminum seal head and a bushing to reduce the amount of friction in the system when compared to the previous Delrin seal head. Unlike the Lyrik, the negative and positive volumes of the SID's air spring have remained the same as the prior model – efficiency is the name of the game when it comes to cross-country racing, and there wasn't any need to make the beginning of the fork's stroke any plusher.

Prices
• SID World Cup: $999 - $1079 USD
• SID RLC: $779 - $849 USD
• SID RL: $669 - $669 USD
SID

SID

Twistloc
The Twistloc will retail for $109 USD, and works with any of RokShox's remote compatible suspension.

Details about the new Twistloc remote lockout, which we spotted earlier this year at the first round of the World Cup in South Africa, have also been announced. It's a small twist-shifter style device that's not much larger than the grip it sits next to. Twisting it clockwise locks out the fork, shock, or both at the same time, and then all it takes is the push of a button to unlock it. In years past, racers were modifying Grip Shift shifters to accomplish the same goal, but Twistloc is a much more refined solution.

The Twistloc device isn't just for XC racers either – it can also be used to lock out any of RockShox's remote compatible suspension, including the Super Deluxe coil shock.

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74 Comments
  • 273 4
 XC getting more gnarly. DH being more groomed. They’ll all be needing Enduro bikes soon. Then we can just call it: Mountain Biking. Like we used to.
  • 38 1
 The last couple techy XC courses posted on here looked far more similar to my local trails than any enduro course. XC now has my attention; racing on bikes similar to your average mountain bike. I dig it.
  • 22 1
 How would I ever ride if I didn’t have to spend my morning deciding to take my 1) hardtail, 2) plus hardtail, 3) 100-120 mm xc bike, 4) 120-140 mm trail bike, 5) 140 mm- 155 mm all mountain bike, or 6) 150-170 mm enduro bike?
  • 13 1
 @carym:

-3) tri-bike, -2) road bike, -1) "gravel grinder", 0) drop bar XC hardtail A.K.A. "CX bike".
  • 11 0
 @carym: N+1 I think you need to add a 180-200mm bike to the mix.
  • 2 0
 @carym: Well clearly you've never heard of a Bionicon.
  • 12 0
 @carym @Kitejumping: N+3 can't forget: a fat bike for sand/snow and a rigid single-speed for when all your other bikes are broken and you hate technology
  • 1 0
 lol Give this man a medal!!!
  • 4 0
 The GT Zaskar is the only bike that has ever won both an xc wc race and a DH wc race (dont fact check this)... maybe the day where one bike can be the best at both is coming again!
  • 1 0
 @GumptionZA : I'd be shocked if Johny Tomac didn't win a WC DH & XC aboard the same bike (Yeti, Raleigh?), maybe even on a single weekend. Then again, maybe the fact that Norba titles were arguably more important to him in the early years works against this assumption. My lazy googling didn't land me definitive proof. Anyone else w/ a better memory recall his WC wins?
  • 49 5
 The Twistloc will retail for $109 USD? No, thanks.

Would consider if it were $108.99 USD though.
  • 8 0
 outstanding.
  • 12 0
 I’d like the twist lock If the indexing could be removed so I could use it with my cable actuated dropper post. I don’t need remote lockout, but a twist style dropper lever would be great.
  • 2 0
 That would be ace!
  • 4 0
 You can actually get any old grip shift style left unit and remove the indexing spring to use with a dropper. Works well.
  • 1 0
 @seraph: yeah, I’m aware of that, and am currently looking for a used one... do you have one you want to send me? I just think they should go ahead and make one without the indexing. I’d buy one.

I used to like the thumb shifter style remotes, but after I got impaled badly by a command post lever in a freak non wreck accident, a grip shirt style dropper remote is what I want to see developed the most.
  • 3 0
 @seraph: I also think it would be nice if the grip portion was about half as wide as what the current grip shift setup is, I just want a little throttle styled remote at the end of my grip, maybe a half an inch wide, I don’t want to cut my grip shorter or change my brake positioning at all to accommodate it. Maybe it can have lock on clamps integrated into it for a seamless transition from grip to remote.
  • 9 2
 This isn't exactly new... I've put 120mm air spring rods in two SIDs over the last 5 years, since they have always used all the same inside bits as the reba (and bluto). Sounds like a big spring marketing push for an already existing product.
  • 3 1
 SIDs have actually come stock in 120mm versions in the past. Acting like this is a new move is kinda silly.
  • 2 1
 @seraph: Yeah. I don't get this. I have a 120mm 2015 SID RCT3.
  • 1 0
 I have a 120mm 2013 SID XX - worst damper I've ever had.
  • 2 0
 The 2017+ SID chassis was 100mm only with the new sealed damper etc. Still heavier than Fox SC though, but lighter than their RS1 at least.

I've got a 2015 SID RCT3 that I use on my SS when the occasion requires, love that damper/chassis.
  • 1 0
 @davidccoleman: I've got an RCT3 Rev. Best of the older dampers and the only one I've ever found that's set and forget for most XC trails.
  • 1 0
 @KiwiXC: Really? I'm super happy with the XX damper. It doesn't work as well as the RTC3 damper, but for it's intended XC racing use use I think it's great.
  • 8 1
 I'm a bit disappointed to be honest. Not in Rockshox, and not because they've released this fork. I'm disappointed because we will now see a bunch of 120mm front bikes come with this noodle out front when they should have revelations, pikes and 34s.
  • 8 2
 To be fair, for all their silly standards and foolery, Rockshox has also really put out some well thought out stuff in the recent past. That twist lock remote is one of them. It would be neat if they made a non-indexed spring loaded version for DH where you can just twist it as much as you need while sprinting, and then just let it go without a release button.
  • 2 0
 Yeah... and it is not just going to accidentally rotate on a DH bike?
If you ever run a greipshift, you know it happens.
  • 1 0
 @RedRedRe: a gripeshift?
  • 3 0
 @fluffyreddragon: sorry I meant gripshit
  • 6 0
 Already doing this on the new 2018 Scott Geniuses. If you remove the fork lock out entirely, and dump the twinlock remove, saw a 3x gripshifter in half, you can run it in between your brake clamp and your grip, and run a Wolftooth dropper lever. BOOM, clean cockpit! Now if I can figure out how to mount a GD real shock to those bikes, I'd own one.
  • 4 0
 Tons of XC races, especially endurance/marathon/stage race distance ones have extended fire road sections where a lock out is useful for some people. Just because someone's home trails don't necessitate it doesn't mean a huge chunk of the racing market doesn't want it.
  • 3 0
 Got the Twin Lockout on my Spark and I use it all the time in racing, also great if your riding a few miles to the trail head
  • 5 0
 Cant wait for them to bring out the 130mm version next season, its called the PIK
  • 4 0
 The form factor on the twist lock is cool, wonder if it could be mated to fox shocks? Its just a means of pulling cable right?
  • 1 0
 I hope, then it should work for a dropper post too. I don't like taking my thumb of the grip when the shit is already hitting the fan.
  • 2 0
 I’m a lycra clad XC bum in the air racer and I love a good lockout to firm me up(!) BUT I thought the reason Gripsh*t died as a gear shifter was because trigger shifters are easier to use. Why this doesn’t apply to fork lockout remotes baffles me.
  • 1 1
 Not sure why they didn't increase the size of the negative air chamber on this one. First of all I don't believe active front suspension really saps that much energy, secondly all these forks are already equipped with a lockout if you don't want them to be active at all. It usually isn't too hard to reduce the volume of any air chamber. Just use more oil or grease if there are no tokens available. But it is nice to have the option.

Now of course this is kind of "it has no room for a bottle" type of comment. In that apparently this is no fork for me. Not sure how much it would hurt the target audience though if they would actually implement this option. If they don't do it, no doubt someone handy with a lathe and some engineering knowledge (like Vorsprung) would probably be able to do this as an aftermarket option.
  • 2 0
 When you only have 100-120mm of travel, you go through it pretty quickly. Forks need to be more progressive at that low range; if it had an oversized negative spring it would sag too low in its travel.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Aren't you setting the air pressure for the correct sag? So it may imply some higher positive air pressure too but I thought this was eventually going to make the spring more active near top out. Near bottom out it is always going to ramp up if the positive air chamber is small enough, irrespective of the negative air chamber. All I thought was going to happen is that it is steeper in the mid stroke and more active near top out. Or am I missing anything?
  • 3 0
 Did rockshox resist the urge to create another hydraulic nightmare contraption with this lockout?
  • 1 0
 They did which means the article where it says it will work with any suspension from rs is a load of crap because it definitely isn't working with my monarch xx shock
  • 5 4
 I never understood remotes for general trail use. They only seem to be helpful when smashing fire roads out of the saddle, something I rarely find myself doing.
  • 4 0
 They do come in handy at times on certain trails. However, I am not sure I would enjoy a grip-shift style. The unlock button is a nice feature to reduce accidental unlocks. However, I do like that you can tie shock and fork to one twist.
  • 6 3
 XC racing thing. Unless you are great at multitasking like Jerome Celementz.
  • 2 1
 @macross87: Consider the clutter of a remote lockout and a dropper post lever. The Scott twin lock system on their bikes looks like a rats nest of clutter to me with the dropper lever and a lockout for the suspension. I think the gripshift is more for simplicity's sake.
  • 1 0
 If your bike has a dropper post then lockouts make sense, so pretty much all full suspension bikes that aren't DH sleds or slope bikes.
  • 2 0
 They make sense for coil shocks and racing. I guess there is a bit more pedal bob with a coil shock and you want to eliminate that on an enduro race. Just ask Cecile Ravanel.
  • 2 0
 some people stare at their suspension moving and get anxiety thinking that they are wasting watts. Others look ahead and enjoy the ride.
  • 3 0
 It only took twenty years for the SID to evolve into a '97 Z1.
  • 2 0
 Soon Rock Shox will bring back the SID XL: esmtb.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/sid_xl.jpg
  • 1 0
 Used to run gripshift on DH bike to improve knee clearance. It's far better than that failed Shimano DuaL Control Lever. Still, need 2 different grips or run wider bars.
  • 3 0
 Death before Grip Shift!
  • 1 1
 Don't die stupid.
  • 1 3
 Racers had the gripshift hack without a button for a reason:
So they can securely hold the handlebars while locking and unlocking.

With this remote, suspension is locked with a clockwise rotation and unlocked with a button.

What happens when you click the button?
The command rotates back.
So when you push the button, you need to move your hand out of the way, loosing firm grip of the bars.
If you had gripshift, you know the hand is always on the command. It is designed that way.

Total marketing department idea, "so people wont complain about accidental locks/unlocks".

Sorry for the racers paid to use it, this may end up like gripshift 2012 or the RS-1 fork... extinct on pro bikes after few months.

You won't see Nino Schurter on it.
  • 1 0
 So you say it works with ANY rockshox suspension so its hydrualic and is compatible with my monarch xx then ya?
  • 3 2
 LOL are they adopting Fox's old naming scheme? RL/RLC
  • 2 0
 That's their usual naming scheme. Pretty sure they use it (or a slight variation) on their other forks and shocks
  • 2 0
 @gtrguy is this the first rockshox you ever seen. My 7 year old rev is an RL
  • 1 0
 @mhoshal not that familiar with their stuff, thought it was all RCT3 and Mission Control this and that... Guess they've been using that for a while then. My mistake
  • 2 3
 Twist-anything is a bad idea. If you've ever been on a climb with twisties and then shifted a gear by accident you know what I'm talking about.
  • 3 1
 No never had that issue when i used gripshifters in the past... My hand was on the grip and not on the shifter. When i wanted to shift i just put my hand a few centimeters inwards.
  • 1 1
 The shifter is almost half of the contact area on the handlebar grips (35-40%), So, what youre saying is that your entire hand/palm is only on about 60% of the grip when you ride until its time to shift gears? I hope that works out for you.
  • 1 0
 Indeed the picture above has very short grips.
When i used the sram gripshifters i almost had a full grip next to it:
www.pinkbike.com/photo/11126237
  • 1 0
 dumb question but is there a matching grip for the other side? Wink
  • 1 0
 Hopefully the dust wiper doesn't pop out all the damn time!
  • 1 0
 I need back the double crown Sid
  • 1 0
 Black is still the new black. It appears.
  • 1 0
 What's old is new... I had a 2011 120mm SID RLT Ti on my old GT Sensor.
  • 1 0
 wow grip shift is back
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