RockShox's New Pike - First Look

Apr 11, 2017 at 15:34
by Mike Kazimer  
Four years ago, RockShox debuted the revamped Pike, a fork that helped set the standard for how a trail / all-mountain fork should perform. The Pike's popularity saw it spec'd on an incredibly wide array of bikes, everything from aggressive hardtails all the way up to 160mm enduro machines, and for good reason – it was smooth, reliable, and easily tunable to suit anyone from a beginner to a seasoned pro.

When the Lyrik burst back onto the scene in late 2015 it began to replace the Pike on some of those longer travel bikes, thanks to its stiffer chassis and the fact that it was available with up to 180mm of travel. For RockShox product manager John Cancellier, the introduction of the Lyrik meant that it was time to revisit the Pike and transform it into a fork that sat squarely in the 'trail' category.


RockShox Pike Details
• Charger 2 damper
• Boost spacing
• Clearance for up to 2.8" tire
• New DebonAir air spring
• 180mm direct brake mount
• Travel: 120-160mm (27.5"), 120-140mm (29")
• Weight: 1841 grams (140mm 27.5" model)
• Available: April 2017
• Price: $875-1000 USD
www.rockshox.com

RockShox

The name may be the same, but the new Pike has seen significant updates in order to shave weight and improve its performance, all without losing sight of the traits that made it so popular in the first place. There's a revised Charger damper, new Boost-specific lowers that provide room for up to a 2.8” tire, and even the amount of effort it takes to turn the compression dial has been altered. The travel options have also changed slightly, with a maximum of 160mm for 27.5” wheels, and 140mm for 29” wheels.


RockShox
A cassette tool is now used to remove the air spring's top cap.
RockShox
The amount of force it takes to turn the three position lever has been reduced, making it possible to run a handlebar mounted remote.


Charger 2 Damper

The latest version of the Charger damper still uses an expanding bladder to handle the oil that's displaced when the fork is compressed, but the shape of the sealed bladder has been changed. Similar to what was first seen on the new SID, when the fork is fully extended the bladder is in an hourglass shape, which creates more room for oil expansion within the confines of the stanchion tube.

Bleeding the damper (something RockShox recommends doing every 200 hours) is now easier than ever, with a port halfway down the cartridge that accepts the same fitting used for a Reverb dropper post. The new bleed procedure does require removing the damper completely from the fork, but on the plus side, you don't need to take any knobs or small parts off – it doesn't look seem like it will be too much of a hassle.


RockShox
A look inside the new Charger 2 damper.


The amount of effort it takes to turn the compression knob has been reduced, an achievement that makes it possible to run a handlebar mounted remote. Although remote lockouts aren't that common in North America, apparently there's a sizeable demand for them in Europe, and now thanks to the reworked damper, RockShox can heed those cries.

The result of turning that compression dial has also been changed, with a new compression tune that's intended to make the middle setting more usable. Previously, the three settings felt like they could be classified as Open, Firm, and Really, Really Firm. Now the difference between the open and the middle setting isn't as drastic, making it more feasible to use it for more than just fire road climbs or spinning on the road out to the trailhead.

Along with the new compression tune, the rebound tune was also updated. RockShox added a greater range to the circuit, which means lighter riders should be able to achieve the rebound speed they want without needing to have the fork custom tuned.


RockShox
The Boost-specific chassis has room for up to a 2.8" tire.
RockShox
No adaptor is required to run a 180mm rotor.

Chassis

The outer appearance of the new Pike isn't drastically different from its predecessor, but the arch does have a more angular shape, and there's now clearance for up to a 2.8” tire, providing plenty of room for riders interested in experimenting with different widths. Whatever your feelings on the subject, Boost spacing is here to stay, which is why the new Pike is designed specifically around that standard – it simply didn't make sense to redesign the lowers for two different axle spacings. The lowers were also modified so that the air volume remains consistent no matter the wheel size. In other words, if you normally run two tokens in a 27.5” Pike, you'll run the same number in a 29” bike, something that previously wasn't the case.


Ride Impressions

Rather than traveling to an unfamiliar location in order to give the new Pike a try, this time I was able to get in two solid days of riding in on my local trails in Bellingham, Washington. A 140mm 29” version was installed onto a Trek Fuel EX, and after setting the air pressure and low speed compression it was time to ride.

The verdict? The new Pike felt nearly identical to the old one, and that's a good thing. There was plenty of support to keep the front end from diving when dropping into steep sections of trail, and enough suppleness to take the edge off when plowing through tangled webs of roots. Did I notice the increased negative spring volume? Honestly, I didn't, but keep in mind that the trails were saturated by the previous week's rain storms - when your tires are sinking into the soft ground it's tough to accurately judge a fork's breakaway force. All the same, the fork delivered the predictable, familiar performance that I've come to expect from a Pike. It's one of those forks that just works, with minimal fussing around needed to get it dialed in. I did give the middle compression setting a try a few times, and found that it was indeed much more usable - on the previous Pike I rarely used that setting, reserving it for smooth climbs, but now I can envision using it for more rolling terrain or technical climbs, and switching to the fully open setting for the descents.

Once we get our hands on a Pike for a long term review we'll take a deeper dive into exactly how it feels on the trail, its durability, as well as how it stacks up against its competition. For now, the takeaway is that the new Pike hasn't lost any of the traits that made it so desirable in the first place.





Wait, There's More...



Return of the Revelation

The new Pike may be stealing the spotlight, but there's another fork in the lineup that's going to become a common sight in the near future – the Revelation. Similar to how the Yari is the more wallet-friendly version of the Lyrik, the Revelation is positioned as a less-expensive Pike.

The lowers are the same as the Pike's, but the Revelation uses straight walled aluminum for its 35mm stanchions, rather than the tapered wall aluminum found on the Pike. The Revelation also relies on RockShox's Motion Control damper rather than the Charger 2. Those cost saving measures do incur a slight weight penalty of roughly 110 grams, but they also allow the Revelation to retail for around $300 less than the Pike.


Revelation Details

• Motion Control damper
• 35mm stanchions
• Boost spacing
•Travel: 120-160mm (27.5”), 120-140mm (29”).
• Weight: 1951 grams (140mm, 27.5")
• $650-720 USD





Lyrik

Many of the features found on the new Pike will also carry over to the Lyrik, and along with the Charger 2 damper, the Lyrik receives new top caps, and clearance for up to 2.8" tires.

• Charger II damper
• Boost-only chassis, 2.8” tire clearance
• DebonAir air spring
• Up to 180mm of travel for both 27.5” and 29” models
• MSRP: $1030-$1180 USD
Lyrik





RS1

The RS1, RockShox's eye-catching inverted fork aimed at the XC / marathon crowd, gets a Charger 2 damper as well, along with a new 130mm option for 27.5" wheels.

• 100-130mm (27.5"), 100-130 (29")
• Charger 2 damper
• Tapered carbon steerer
• Weight: 1573 grams (120mm 27.5")
• MSRP: $1680-1750 USD
RS1


MENTIONS: @SramMedia



Must Read This Week

327 Comments

  • + 353
 You assholes, I just bought a brand new Pike 2 weeks ago! I give up.
  • + 219
 They should have consulted you.
  • + 77
 @Dano-01 Did you check your junk mail ?
  • + 456
 Doesn't make your pike any worse. Go out and ride your fking bike!
  • + 195
 "The verdict? The new Pike felt nearly identical to the old one"
  • + 82
 Me too, but I didn't want Boost and the new fork only comes in Boost. I also got a good deal on my fork. New forks won't be discounted for a while. So I am not terribly sad. I'll grab one of these Pikes in 3yrs when they are on sale and the Mega Boosty Boost model comes out. Being behind the times a bit is a lot cheaper and I still get to shred with sweet gear.
  • + 7
 I think an upgrade kit will be available soon
  • + 3
 @funbox: I heard the same. @mikekazimer do you have pricing for debonair spring and charger 2 kit prices?
  • - 7
flag NickDHash (Apr 13, 2017 at 8:20) (Below Threshold)
 "THE AVARICE NEVER ENDS!" Lol
I f*cking feel you so hard.
I bought a talas 36 two days before they released the new one, and I knew it was being released but you can't argue with a pro deal. Still, my new fork charges without doubt, But there's still a void.
"I could hang myself with all the bad Christmas neckties I've found in the dump!"
  • + 15
 Buy the luftkappe and have a tuning of the chargwr damper with the next service at tft or fast and you are even better to go ;-) ,...,.and far cheaper
  • + 29
 Just got a new Pike too--zero fucks given. The current Pike is still badass.
  • - 6
flag enrico650 (Apr 13, 2017 at 8:43) (Below Threshold)
 BOOST ONLY?
  • + 4
 @vikb: In this day you'll never keep up with new releases anyway.. Doesn't bother me to much anymore..
  • + 1
 Same here, waiting for the 2016 Pike I bought a while back. Managed to get a non-boost and 46 mm offset fork at a great price. Bikemag mentions a non-QR through axle as an option on the updated forks, not really an upgrade in my books. Sure our forks will give many years of good service...
  • + 5
 Install Luftkappe and it will be almost the same :]
  • - 1
 On my yeti 4.5c I have a fox 34 2016 model with a fit 4 damper and it is leaps and bounds better than the pike IMO.

daddy wasn't there, peace /\w/\
  • + 3
 @manuni88 I was definitely relieved when I read that part. The only part I would want the new one for is the tire clearance. Big tires give me a chubby.
  • + 8
 Apparently you're not missing much.

- Feels the same.
- Middle setting feels more usable.
- Fork cap uses cassette tool to take off.
- Easier to bleed damper cart.

I got a '16 version for about $500.

I do wonder what the DebonAir looks like. I fear it's just the dimple being further up the stanchion.
  • + 3
 P1 or P2, you still bought a top of the line fork.
  • + 4
 Been there before. Sucks. I will raise a glass to you tonight.
  • + 3
 should have bought a 36......
  • + 3
 @Agleck7: 240$ for Charger 2 upgrade, or 300$ for remote version, according to Vital.
  • + 4
 If things like this worry you, there's an excellent buy/ sell section here at PB. If you don't buy new you can't lose Razz
  • + 7
 Im glad I've got the old version as it can be run at 160mm x 29.
  • - 1
 Might as well wait for new crop of telescoping forks.
  • + 1
 @zooey: ya, so is that supposed to get ride of the trapped 'bad air' tht an inserted zip tie does?
  • + 1
 @SleepingAwake: made it more expensive than today, though!
  • + 1
 @jrocksdh: no, I belive it's referring to the actual damper oil bladder not the seals
  • + 5
 Where's the new Boxxer ?
  • - 1
 HA, I just bought a new Lyrik 3 weeks ago, WTF. I QUIT
  • + 2
 @moutnbiker: sea otter week
  • + 1
 @zooey: It's the same as the Yari and Lyrik (bigger negative chamber), they just gave it a cool new name to sell new forks.
  • - 15
flag drivereight (Apr 14, 2017 at 9:03) (Below Threshold)
 You won't notice the difference, still shitty!
  • + 1
 @vikb: I like your very practical approach!
  • + 1
 Just because there's a new one, doesn't mean yours is any worse, although bikes have generally improved over the last 50 years. I would say you bought yours knowing it's good for you, and no matter what other fork is out there, it doesn't really change yours.
  • + 2
 Lol, it's like everything out there phones ,computers, runners, everything...you have to be satisfied with what you buy n say f u guys. Now don't upgrade for 2 years
  • + 1
 @zooey: Something else they didn't talk about : the Pike won't be equipped with a quick release maxle, it will be a hex key axle.
  • + 1
 @Whipperman: lol, as the 36 gets the quick release.
  • + 128
 The best thing about the new pike ist the topcap being able to be removed with a cassette tool!
  • + 7
 So damn true.
  • + 4
 Why is that so much better than the older solution?
  • - 4
flag Odegaard86 (Apr 13, 2017 at 7:37) (Below Threshold)
 Would have been so much better to use a bb-tool.....
  • + 26
 @Happymtbfr: I think it is great because I don't have a socket to fit the airspring, whether it be a modified socket or the special sockets without the bevel. But I do have a cassette tool, and the fewer extra tools I need to buy that seem to have one specific function, the better.
  • + 74
 Marzocchi had it figured out from a decade though...
  • + 8
 I'm hoping they use the same thread pitch/diameter so I can put the new topcap on my old pike
  • + 9
 @Happymtbfr: Don't know about you but I had to grind down a 28mm (I think?) socket with an angle grinder to keep it from stripping the topcap on my Fox 34. And if I don't loosen it on the bike its still super easy to strip...which leads to a two step tightening process...which can lead to forgetting to tighten it all the way when it's back on the bike. A cassette tool is a much more solid than a 2mm hex lip. The top cap on RS might be taller but I'm pretty sure I still had to grind down a socket for my boxxer.

Plus if you still want to shoot sparks for 15min you can save some money buying a smaller socket! Win win!
  • + 0
 My adjust spanar fit nicely.
  • + 4
 @Sardine: The 28mm socket that I bought weeks ago still sitting there waiting for a haircut.
  • + 50
 @freebikeur: WAAAAY more than a decade ago: Marzocchi has been using cassette tool interface for a long time.

@Happymtbfr it's much harder to strip or deform this interface compared with a hexagonal, exterior interface. consider:

1. all these parts are aluminum, so deform easily

2. when you're applying torque to this interface, the thin material of the top cap is supported by the rest of the stanchion, & the torque is pushing outwards into that reinforcement. Also a cassette tool has 12 contact points to distribute the load. The raised hex style interface has only 6 points of contact, & unlike a traditional bolt head, most of the material in the center is removed for the air valve, & since it's an exterior interface, the force is being directed into that unsupported area.

3: Since the topcap is a very small percentage of the fork volume, there is ample space to provide depth to the tool engagement, if you use an internal interface(a topcap a few millimeters deeper is easily engineered around to maintain desired air spring volume.) An external interface like a hex has to be as short as possible, because there is limited clearance between the crown & the downtube(& even worse, it varies between bikes, so you have to make it as small as possible, you can't optimize to the application.)

4. everybody has a cassette tool. Not only do most people not have a dechamfered socket, they have a regular socket that looks like it should work fine, & SRAM encourages people to pull the topcap repeatedly to tinker. Unless you happen to know how weak that interface is, & that a regular socket can destroy it, you're unlikely to find out until you destroy one.

The entire reason a cottage industry of unchamfered sockets has sprung up for these top caps is because a top cap using an external hex has to compromise every feature that makes a hex interface strong (a solid interior, deep enough engagement to allow a standard socket to work, & a strong enough material to resist stripping.) & it doesn't use the advantages of the application (the extra support of the stanchion walls) to increase the interface's strength.

If someone wrote a book called "Rules for not doing a shitty job of designing tool interfaces" rule 1, on page 1, would probably read: Don't make an interface that ignores the strengths of the application, compromises every strength of the of the desired interface, & requires a special tool, but appears to support one of the most common tools in a toolbox, which will, in fact, destroy your part.

edit: well that turned into a novel
  • + 6
 Wonder if you can drop a new charger into an old pike?
  • + 1
 @freebikeur: just not the rest of the suspension.
  • + 3
 @Sardine: or you could get a set of these, they work excellent. www.lunarbikes.com/tools.htm
  • + 1
 @groghunter: yup i got some 2006 66rcx2 with that on. RS were probably waiting for the patent to run out.
  • + 2
 Agreed.
  • + 1
 @Odegaard86: you obviously don't understand basic measurements
  • + 3
 Very nice upgrade. Not sure why this didn't happen sooner!
  • + 8
 But my Cassette Tool has a guide pin... seemed like a good idea at the time.
  • + 3
 @Sardine: having the right tool for the right application is a good start! A friend of mine with a lathe made me a couple of sockets chamferless in exchange for a few beers. Quite easy and cheap compared to some more boutique sockets...
Anyhow, @groghunter convinced me that the situation could be improved and I am now converted to the Church of Cassette Tools! Sometimes one has to recognise the value of existing standard interfaces and do what one can to broaden their use, specially in the bicycle industry!
  • + 6
 Purchase the MRP ramp control for your Pike. It uses a cassette tool plus you don't have to mess with plastic tokens to adjust how your fork performs.
  • + 4
 except for those of use that bought a 25mm or whatever it is socket just for this single purpose. oh well, you can never have too many tools...
  • + 4
 @pbrazil: hammer or drill it out
  • + 3
 Let's hope the new air cap assembly is backwards compatible! The Ramp Control cartridge is really cool, but tokens work fine and ~$20 for a new air cap sounds a lot more appealing than $130+ for a Ramp Control cartridge.
  • - 4
flag ismasan (Apr 13, 2017 at 14:55) (Below Threshold)
 Yeah, so now you need a specific tool, instead of a wrench you'll find in any corner of the world.
  • + 3
 @ismasan: it's a common bicycle tool at least.
  • + 2
 @pbrazil:

If It's a park tool you can tap out the guide pin with a punch. Worked on mine.
  • + 7
 Take the best bit about Marzocchi, cassette tool air cap. Take the best bit about fox, 180mm direct mount. Now we just need the best bit about x fusion, 20mm axle.
  • + 2
 @ismasan: i don't know any vaguely serious cyclists that don't have a cassette tool
  • + 5
 You haven't worked on your bike until you get the hammer out
  • + 2
 @sevensixtwo: That bit in Hot Rod where he's hitting an engine block with a hammer to impress the girl. Gets me every time!
  • - 1
 Dude, between the f*cking torx, and whatever else you need to work on my bike, I don't even want to know. images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51FYQRZhV6L.jpg
  • + 1
 @freebikeur: ...and even after Fox bought them, hasn't implemented that.
  • - 2
 @piersgritten: is not about having one, is about carrying it everywhere.
  • + 0
 @ismasan: why the f*ck would you need to take your fork apart when out riding your bike? I don't know about you but i don't randomly remove the internals while out riding. If you're on about accessing the valve, there's a different cap for that, which can be removed with no tools
  • - 2
 @piersgritten: real case, happened last week: I go to a friend's. He proudly shows me his new bike and, since he's clueless, I offer myself to help him out with settings. He needs factory tokens removed; of course, he doesn't have a cassette tool, but that's not a problem, cause all we need is a f*king crescent wrench.
  • + 66
 Will I be spending $875-1000 for a fork that feels, "nearly identical to the old one"?
Absolutely not.
  • + 9
 almost all suspension is rather good these days so if you don't have one you will
  • + 2
 A little better small bump compliance would be nice.
  • + 32
 It's probably not supposed to be an upgrade if you already have a Pike - it's just the new Pike. Next time someone needs to buy a new one, this is what they'll get.
  • + 22
 It's not simply a fork that feels "nearly identical to the old one"... it's a fork that does that while being lighter, have more tire clearance, and now Boost compatible. I'd say that's a nice improvement. Now, if you want it or not is a different question altogether.
  • + 6
 @skelldify: Probably should invest in the Vorsprung Luftkappe.
  • + 8
 @billybobzia: Tokens alone don't do it. While having 3 tokens in prior let me run lower pressures for the small bump compliance I wanted, I had no mid stroke support. The fork would just dive on corners with the air pressure I wanted for small bump compliance. With the luftkappe, I was able to run about 10% more air pressure giving me a better mid stroke, reduce to 1 token, and have the same small bump compliance as before while utilizing the same amount of travel on the same trails. Its a more linear feeling through the travel.
  • + 10
 I'll just put this right here...half the price, twice the performance: chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/manitou-mattoc-2-pro-forks-15mm-2017/rp-prod149017
  • + 1
 @billybobzia: I have the max number of tokens installed. That makes a lot of difference, but it could still be better.
  • + 2
 @jasbushey: It's less clear on PB, but bike rumor calls out that this revision also sports an airspring revision, which they're labeling debonAir. which means a bigger negative spring just like luftekappe.

I suspect the difference in feel is bigger than this article portrays.
  • - 2
 @LaXcarp: ummmm, no?
  • + 4
 @LaXcarp: I concur
  • + 0
 But now it has boost! Or as I like to call it: "a way to sell plus bikes to the masses without having to make different forks".

Thanks, industry...
  • + 1
 @LaXcarp: took the words out of my mouth.

I cringed when I read

"Along with the new compression tune, the rebound tune was also updated. RockShox added a greater range to the circuit, which means lighter riders should be able to achieve the rebound speed they want without needing to have the fork custom tuned."

Anyone who knows anything about suspension, knows tunes for a wide range of rider weights is a major compromise to riders of all weights. And the original pike was alread a huge compromise
  • + 2
 @LaXcarp: I have a Mattoc and a Pike. For the price the Mattoc is decent. But the Pike is objectively stiffer and nicer to work on. Really like my Mattoc, love my Pike.
  • + 2
 @cueTIP: I'm the opposite. Had a pike for 2 years and couldn't wait to get rid of it. Damping spiked, needed lower service ever 3 rides to stay smooth, and 4 warranty claims over that time period. The mattoc takes some time to dial, but with IRT, it was a game changer for me. Want to try a dvo diamond still as well .

Pike is stiffer, I'll give you that. I have never felt that the mattoc wasn't stiff enough. Mattoc update coming out soon too
  • + 3
 @cueTIP : Honestly, at 150lbs, I dont get to really notice the stiffness of a fork unless it is has 32mm stanchions. Because of this, I really get to notice the performance of the compression and damper, where the pike is inferior. The Mattoc is super easy to work on also and doesnt require regular bleeding of the damper.
  • + 1
 @LaXcarp: I'm not saying the Mattoc is a bad fork. It's really quite good and I understand we all have different experiences. As a former soldier who still likes to stay in fighting shape I weigh in significantly more than 150lbs (210 at 6'0") and unfortunately I can feel the stiffness difference between the two. We aren't all 150lb whippets!
  • - 2
 @LaXcarp: nah, manipoo will never lose its terrible rep with me
  • + 50
 Dear Rockshox,

Why dont you call anymore?

Sincerely,
26"
Ph 559-0559
  • + 2
 @Legbacon: That's previous generation Pike. New one is MY'18
  • + 4
 Ignore my comment.
  • + 8
 So you're sticking to 26 but wild happily rebuild wheels with boost hubs.
  • + 2
 @Legbacon: roger...ignoring.
  • + 1
 @spudlord: Haha so true. No non-boost and no 26 kills it (for me of course). I wish RS at least produced a lighter Lyrik 26 20x110 w/all new internals and look.
  • + 36
 A generation forward in fork technology, 3 generations back in graphic design. Seriously, looks like my old RS Dart
  • + 9
 Go www.slikgraphics.com or some other decals company.
  • + 7
 I know SRAM has a well staffed product graphic design team so I'm scratching my head at the choices here as well. Could be that they want to make it easier for OEMs to color match the decals to the bike models (yeti turquoise etc). But I miss the blues and yellows and metallics of the 'older' RS products.
  • + 8
 I was thinking the same, terrible design of the graphics. Especially the "pike" label, that looks so slapped on and out of place. Either their designers suck or a marketing/product manager got involved and led it down the trail to shitsville.
  • + 6
 Just do what I do and rip all stickers off of everything the moment you get it, whatever it is. Stickers are for kids bedrooms, or ricers wish lists on the side of their Subaru...
  • + 4
 Yeah the boxxer looks even worse. The sticker kit that came with the Totem should make a comeback
  • + 37
 All "trail" forks should be set up for 180mm rotor.
Well done.
  • + 28
 Boost comes out "Oh it's just an option, options are good for everyone!"

2017 Rockshox "Boost is the only standard ever"
  • + 4
 what reasonable quality hub doesn't have adapters available for like $20?
  • + 6
 @sam264: Most hubs you cannot convert from 100x15 to boost. The disc flange spacing is slightly different.
  • - 2
 @Buggyr333: well it'd only take a few minutes to mill up some 6 bolt plates with longer bolts to suit... anyone with any nous could sort it & im sure someone will soon. (I don't have a mill, but I know someone who does!!)
  • + 4
 @cunning-linguist: right, and that part wouldn't even be hub specific since they're all drilled for exactly the same bolt pattern.
  • + 2
 @Altabird: or a post mount adapter (if i am understanding correctly?)
  • + 2
 @cunning-linguist: But the problem is still most manufacturers have not come out with axle adapter end caps, and don't seem to have any interest in doing so. sure you can mill up a plate to space your rotor out, but without longer endcaps, what's the point? and sure you could make some 5mm spacers for each side, but imagine how fiddly it would be to put a wheel in trailside.
  • + 1
 @Buggyr333: wasn't all that long ago that we used to do that! I remember having some 20mm bolt through single crown Marzocchi's that I had to pop spacers on each time I fitted the front wheel. This was pretty normal not that long ago. When standards could be cross compatible with ease.
  • + 1
 @cunning-linguist: i did this with home made spacers until very recently when i got the legit spacers. I still have washers between the brake and mount adapter (which is obviously not legit...)
  • + 29
 BUT WHERE IS THE COIL OPTION DAMMIT
  • + 42
 There's always that one guy
  • + 47
 Same place as the 26" option.
  • + 24
 Same place as the straight steerer tube option.
  • + 8
 i mean obviously rockshox sees the merit with a coil as they are selling a coil shock now for the enduro segment. coil will always be more supple and more consistent than air of similar quality construction.
  • + 2
 @adrennan: I bet avalanche or someone will make you a coil that can fit
  • + 1
 @hamncheez: i think there is an outfit from france doing it. i guess i just dont get why rockshox doesnt do it. like i said above, they obviously see some merit in coils since they do it for shocks.
  • + 7
 Same place as the non-Boost option
  • + 27
 hahaha I currently run a 26, Coil, Straight Steerer, non boost. I also go everywhere with a monocle while saying "hmmmmmmmm innddeeeeed"
  • + 14
 That option was on an America Airlines flight but unfortunately it was overbooked...
  • + 2
 @adrennan: www.crconception.com/index.php?p=1_10_Preparation-Rock-shox or you could just use old lyrik internals to do it.
  • + 4
 @adrennan: They don't do it because they would sell less than 100 of them in a year. They can still sell a few coil rear shocks, so they still do sell them.
  • + 3
 @Kitejumping: that is the one i have seen. debating that or see if ohlins releases something soon. there have been rumors flying.
  • + 2
 @hamncheez: i guess to clarify i was really hoping for it on the lyric, which is very commonly seen as a bikepark fork where a coil makes sense. with the current crop of bikes going to bigger and bigger travel it seems like there is a market.
  • + 1
 @adrennan: I get what you're saying, but the market is saying that riders now want their bike park ride to double as an enduro or dh race machine, and the idea that lighter is faster has bled over from XC. Whether thats true or not is very debatable, I think.
  • + 19
 180mm 29 Lyrik? Sounds like a lot of fun!
  • + 8
 Yep, I was hoping for 170mm and we got 180!! Shame to see the new pike is no longer available in 150 and 160mm 29er though. 160 was a bit twangy but 150mm worked fine....
  • + 4
 @Richt2000: that's what the lyrik is for now. 29 all the way to 180. So you've got a 160 29 and down
  • + 2
 Sounds almost like 29" Boxxer Wink
  • + 1
 @treymotleyDH: yea agree, but now for 150mm 29, the only option is 2kg Lyrik. It was nice to have a lighter 1800g option for 150mm 29.

The lyrik is a great fork, but the increase in stiffness from the pike isn't as 'night and day' as the difference between the pike and the fox 36.

Still, I'll be getting some lyrik 170 29s, me :-)
  • + 1
 @Richt2000: ohhh yeah the weight penalty is kinda lame but they gotta differentiate somehow I guess ????
  • + 2
 Big travel 29er fork.....F*k yer

But boost only screws up a straight upgrade...now you need a new wheel/hub...RS just missed a bunch of sales
  • + 2
 @Travel66: you can get an adaptor kit
  • + 1
 @BryceBorlick: who makes them bud?
  • + 1
 @Richt2000: let me know how you get on with them Rich
  • + 3
 @Travel66: wolftooth sells one that I know of. They work good. We use them in our shop for the forks and the rear wheels as well.
  • + 13
 For the last several months, I've been riding my lyrik with Craig's Avy cartridge upgrade, along with a few other upgrades he offers. . It's the best damn fork I've ever ridden!!!! the fork actually runs through it's entire travel so dang smooth. I'm so overly impressed. Of all the forks I've ridden, the Lyrik with Avy cartridge Has been the best and I have no regrets. Best deal, get a yari or a revelation, send it to Craig and you'll have a fully tuned factory race fork.
  • + 4
 very true, running 888's with avey cart, makes the standard marzocchi butter feel like lard. So much small bump sensitivity but with mid support that doesn't dive through travel and with a normal plush coil spring Smile
  • + 14
 Please bring back the Totem!!!!
  • + 9
 I think I'll have to reserve judgement on the new arch and crown - a little blocky, perhaps, compared to the sinewy shapes of the last Pike and their other forks. I wonder how much weight it saves, because the previous 29" Boost lowers took a 2.8 too.
  • + 3
 29er non-Boost take a 650+ 2.8 just fine too.
  • + 9
 My bike has a Pike RCT3. When it was new it was so unbelievably plush i left it in the middle position and it was great for everything, when I wanted a magic carpet ride I opened it up and it was just that, so smooth I was blown away, I felt literally nothing. 6 or so ride later the fork was noticeably stiffer, now the middle position was very harsh and even with everything fully open I was getting a lot of wrist pain from repetitive hits. It went to Sram. It didn't improve. It turns out many people reported the exact same thing. A never ending increase in harshness. Still don't know what's wrong with the fork, but it no longer is interested in moving for anything less than 1cm or so high hits. Unfortunately the Pike is more common than herpes and it's 2nd hand value is worse than a used Schwalbe tyre, so an upgrade to Fox 36 forks is not feasible. Probably sell the whole bike and find something else. That doesn't have a Pike on it. I don't expect the new one to be any better.
  • + 9
 pretty neat that the revelation got a 3mm bump to a 35mm chassis, as that 32mm diameter was a bit off putting in the longer travels.
  • + 1
 Yeah that struck me. So revs are as beefy as pikes now?
  • + 0
 Too bad they killed the concept of what the Rev was: a long travel XC fork. I doubt that there will be a 150mm Sid. I love my Dual-air Rev, another feature that was awesome, that had to be killed. Frown
  • + 2
 @HerrDoctorSloth: Recon up to 150mm now with moco damper
  • + 1
 @HerrDoctorSloth: Well 35mm should be better in my view, as long as there is not too much of a weight penalty.
  • + 5
 I like the repositioning, it makes a lot more sense because the previous Pike was not stiff enough to compete with the 36 and other forks in that class, but heavier than the 34. Now it's properly positioned to compete with the 34 while the Lyrik can take on the 36. This is the way it should have been from the start.

But the biggest question remains - did they fix the one thing that the Pike really needed to have fixed? Can the new Pike survive a full season without a visit to RS service facilities? I mean that was really the only problem with the last Pike. It was a great fork, when it worked. I guess we'll have to wait to find out.
  • + 4
 After loose steerer tubes, blown dampers, worn out bushings and sucking air past the piston I am not willing to find out !
  • + 1
 @MX298: ^THIS )times enough forks for them to better.) While it would raise the price, a one-piece steer tube HAS to happen.
  • + 8
 Hope they already addressed the CSU creaking issue on Pike, Lyrik and even the Revelation..
  • + 3
 that issue is having me looking at ohlins who rocks the one piece assembly
  • + 2
 What does CSU stand for? I'm having creaking problems with the front end of my bike aswell, but it doesn't seem to be the headset or stem. And does RS fix this creaking for free?
  • + 4
 @JustYourAverageJoey: crown/steerer uppers I am guessing. the steer tube is pressfit into the crown on most forks and that connection often develops play which becomes creaking. you can use green loctite to fix it sometimes.
  • + 1
 I had 3 revelations on my bike with the creaking on the CSU (Crown Steerer Upper tube) and finally Specialized replaced it with a Pike and no more problems since then.
  • + 2
 blueliquidlabs.com/suspension/article-two

I solved with loctite 603. it's ok for 6 months.
  • + 1
 @JustYourAverageJoey:
If it is creaking between crown and steering unit, RS will sort it as warranty replacement. But it could take ages.
  • + 2
 Our steerer tube moved and RS would not warranty it Frown
  • + 2
 @attdt: you did the job yourself? if so, would you elaborate?
  • + 9
 Good thing I got a diamond
  • + 5
 When a company releases a new product or new technology to deliver an incremental improvement to consumers. It's not called greed or avarice, it's called "being in business."
  • + 4
 Does the RS-1 still use a proprietary 110mm hub or have they converted it to 110mm Boost? If it's still the proprietary hub, I'll keep my Fox 32 SC and enjoy the 200g weight savings while being compatible with thousands of wheelsets....
  • + 0
 RS-1 is a boutique item. Beatiful, blingy and a bit more "trail" oriented, but if you race XC, jest get a SID. If someone threw both at me, i'd tak RS-1 for fun. But if I was to pay for one and raced, I'd take the SID. Sad thing is that Reba used to be a sturdier version of SID, with more travel and bigger bushing overlap and looking at ones from the last 2-3 years I have no fricking clue what is different but some minor weight cuts... Also, if money were no object I'd take Fox32 over any XC RS fork, no matter how simple thing an XC fork is. Also, it's a bit shady why they don't make 27,5 specific version. Industry loves specific things. Love my Reba nonetheless
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: I race XC & Marathon, seen alot of guys move from RS to FOX this season because the SC is significantly lighter than the RS options, plus there were some supply issues with the new SID last year. The lockout on the SID & RS-1 was always better than Fox 32 SC until this new generation and I'd say it's at least equal now. I've got a Reba w/RCT3 damper just sitting here now; the Fox 32 SC is that much better, and I'm the biggest SRAM fanboy around here (I run gripshift...)

I'd love to get a RS-1 for my wife's Trek Stache as it'd clear a 3.0's, be way lighter than the stock Lyric, and look fantastic. But alas that would mean getting new wheels built up...

Oh well maybe rev 3 in 2019 will be lighter and use standard hubs. #fingerscrossed
  • + 7
 @davidccoleman: the only thing I have in front of my eyes when you say Fox32 SC is the promo with Emily Batty, I am sorry, you lost my attention to MTB parts there... Big Grin
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: New MY18 Reba is a lot more clear cut. Basically replaces Reba/Revelation(32mm) and Sektor.

3 New lowers with Maxle Travels of 100 / 120 / 150mm and all travel options in between offered.

Great little range of forks.
  • + 1
 @moominator: do you know if it fits plus tyres? I want to do build a 275+/29er for the next winter/spring as do it all HT and I will need a 29er fork fitting 275+ 3.0" tyres.
  • + 1
 Torsion rigidity of fox xc forks is a joke compared to RS ones and all, I mean all Fit 4 forks with remote lockouts wont go open after few rides cause of pore design. I'm tired of taking the knobs out an tryng to make them work atleast for a race.
  • + 1
 @b-wicked: I've only got about 950 miles on my 32 SC Fit4, but none of the issues you mention. 5 more races this Marathon season so we'll see...
  • + 1
 @davidccoleman: does it have remote control?
  • + 2
 Every time I look at the cost of an RS-1, I look back on my Fox32 and consider how nice it would be with a Fit damper that I can just leave in the middle setting... and spend the rest on carbon wheels that makes way more difference in performance.
  • + 1
 @b-wicked: no, the remote lasted 1 ride before it sheared. Had a few of them come through my local shop do the same. Fox has revised the remote to be a little more robust, though I just deleted it for the fork and run it on on the rear only now. But that remote was trash, for sure.

I'll probably switch over to using a Gripshift for the rear lockout after this season as it looks cleaner and will allow me to run the shock in all 3 positions unlike the stock fox 2 position remote.
  • + 2
 @davidccoleman: We work with Scott bikes and they have their own 3 position remote but problem is not in the remote itself. Damper lockout knob shaft is always to tight so spring don't have any force to open it anyhow even if you over tight it. They even made a new knob with sealed bearing to work with over tighten knob but shaft is still to tight to move freely. We sent a lot of fork to official service to refurbish but some forks came back even worse, I'm getting sick of clients getting mad on us cause of that damn fit4...
  • + 4
 The fact they are boost only is typical SRAM of course. I'll get over it of course as it adds benefits, but still I'm a bit disappointed there will be no 100x15 . . . . Even if just on the Revelation.
  • + 3
 If they only use incompatible standards then you have buy their new stuff. Solution: Don't buy new standards if you don't want them.
  • + 3
 @WaterBear: I didn't say I didn't want boost. I would happily have boost everything. But wanting is different to having the option to not want it. I may be fully committed to loving RockShox forks and only want to ride them, ti wouldn't make my thoughts different on them being boost only.
  • + 2
 @mgolder: It sounds like you're saying you can't yet afford to go full boost but would if you could, so you want an option to accommodate 15x100 while you have it?

You can maybe achieve that with spacers.

Oh, and in response to your comment that it adds benefits: For wheels I think it just trades some strength in one direction for another. And shouldn't wider forks be less torsionally stiff unless you add material? Boost seems like a trade off to me, not a strictly better deal.
  • + 1
 @WaterBear: So tire clearance options provided by boost are not a benefit then? As that's what it seems like you are saying. Have you also heard of boost forks being noodly and not stiff? I'd be pretty sure you haven't so that argument kind of goes out of the window too about it being a negative. Just because 'in theory' you think it should be less stiff, doesn't actually make it true does it.

Also, my finances are fine thanks. I didn't say anything about not being able to afford it. I said I would have it with no complaints. I'd also have a slice of cake with no complaints too. Just because I would do those things doesn't mean I immediately want to.
  • + 1
 @mgolder: Relax man, I wasn't trying to be rude, I was seriously trying to understand what you were saying.
  • + 6
 Any word on if the new airspring top cap will fit the old pike? The cassette lockring is way better than the wrench flats
  • + 2
 Since their not boasting "wider stanction walls for increased stiffness" i think it probably will fit, i don't imagine there's many m33 (I'm guessing) thread standards
  • + 2
 I like the Pike but don't like look of it. The fox is just as good but looks way better! It's like trying to find a date. You don't ask the hard working average looking girl to the dance, you go for the hot girl that's all fancy but is super high maintenance!
  • + 7
 Story of my life
  • + 20
 Then the hot girl looks at you and laughs....you run back to ask the hard working average girl out, but somebody that appreciated her more has already asked her out so you end up at home on a Friday night with a take out pizza, 6 pack of beer, box of kleenex and watch EWS videos.
  • + 9
 @vikb: That's still a good result. At least in that scenario you don't end up married to a woman that forces you to wear man Uggs and spend all your money on Pretentious art for the house you can't afford.
  • + 4
 except in this case the "hard worker" creaks, barely functions properly in many cases, sucks air, wears out her bushi....knees, and feels loser than a marzocchi Z3 after 10 years of use. Whereas with that "high maintenance" one, as long as it's cared for it actually works.
  • + 5
 If this means discounted prices on all current Pikes I'm going to have a field day!
  • + 5
 yawn - still got the pointless 3 position adjuster, lyric boost only.
  • + 5
 solves problems I never ever had.
  • + 2
 The guys over at Global Mountain Biking Network put up a vid about it as well. It's a good vid that tells you about it if you don't want to read.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpCnGDzZEHc
  • + 1
 Really annoying when you have Sram at the shop and you ask them whats new and they don't know a thing, but one or two weeks later PB puts up info like this. RS-1 dropped a lot of weight, and I'm hoping I can swap out dampers to charger 2 on my old one.
  • + 6
 No 26 ????!
  • + 1
 scrap this, looked at last years pike.
  • + 13
 Rockshox are a mainstream brand supplying the OEM market - they have no interest in selling a few hundred sets of 26" forks to aftermarket customers worldwide each year.

There has hardly been a new 26" build from a single manufacturer for the last 5 years, there just isnt a market for it anymore.
  • + 4
 @Racer951: But if they don't produce 26'' Pike any more, it will be too expensive for Sram to maintain producing Pike DJ, which share almost the same components with Pike 26.
  • + 1
 @skylinespeed: They will probably use the older chassis and update the internals, or mix a CSU with different lowers - Or just keep selling the older model - The DJ market dont care much for the most up-to-date damping, a small decrease in weight or increased stiffness as they run them in such a low travel mode / so stiff anyway.
  • + 0
 Ignore my comment, that's the old one.
  • + 2
 Was hoping for an elastomer sprung quick release option. Disappointed.
  • + 1
 There are enough changes to consider this a upgraded Pike but not enough to make the existing owners feel bad for their current Pike. Win win situation if you ask me. The most interesting thing however is the option of a 180 29 Lyrik and the fact that the new forks can take up to 2.8 tires which tells us a lot about the things to come in the near future.
  • + 1
 What about improving the seal head at the damper shaft? One of the reasons I had to keep bleeding my Pike is that air would get into the Charger damper though the loose seal head at the bottom. The 'revised' seal heads helped, but still didn't completely solve the problem.

Hopefully I can just buy the new Charger 2 damper and drop it into my Pike.
  • + 1
 was your 'revised' seal-head an SKF (it's got a blue-green wiper seal)? That seams to have fixed my 'sucky' pike
  • + 1
 @MmmBones: Yeah i've used the 'revised' green seal-head and I feel like it still let's some air in although not nearly as much as the original seal-head.
  • + 1
 You have to fully remove the damper from the fork to bleed it, but you don't need to remove the knobs or any small parts? Pretty sure you have to remove both the compression and rebound knobs to get the damper out of there..
Any word as if the compression knob will still be stupidly hard to clock with the damper on most units? I just happen to have serviced a lot of the old Pikes and this step sucks half the time.
  • + 2
 It was nice that they did exactly what I thought they would do with the Revelation when I saw the new travel options on Reba and Recon. Wonder what will happen to the Sektor though.
  • + 3
 straight tube, 26" and 20mm thru axle. I member. Marzocchi. baby come back. You can blame it all on me. Baby come back
  • + 1
 Did they do nothing about things like equalizing air? My Pike is so damn fiddly with the amount of air in the lowers and negative airspring, I cant figure out how to get it back to normal.
  • + 4
 I will never make the mistake of buying a Rockshox product ever again.
  • + 2
 Lots of bikes currently being specced boost rear 100mm front because IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. Way to put a stop to this Rockshox.
  • + 2
 So, at this point, is there any reason not to buy a 2016 vintage Yari, then install the Charger 2 damper and a Luftkappe in it to get a top end long travel setup?
  • + 1
 So is the Charger 2 compatible with older pikes or is the thread pitch changed?

Do the new boost lowers fit current boost pikes or did they change the leg spacing with .5 mm just to f..k with us?
  • + 1
 My Non boost Lyrik 2 should fit a 2.8 tyre, but not more (judging how much room there is around 2.5 Minion DHF) So if they wanted to make it "plus" compatible it could be wider. Still have the 36VAN (26 but accepting 27,5) for sale if you are interested, fresh from full overhaul service, you know where to find me Wink
  • + 4
 Article on Vital states that they will offer Charger 2 upgrade option, 240$ regular, 300$ for remote option.
  • + 1
 @strasznyzbigniew: Which, if it fits on a Yari - means that one could acquire what amounts to a Lyrik (Charger2 and Luftkappe) for a scant $330 more than the cost of a used Yari.
  • + 1
 I'm German. From center of Europe and the perceived home of 3x10 and lycra-clad weight weenies. Still don't know aaaanybody who'd create demand for a remote lockout... It's such a non-feature...
  • + 4
 Yeah, I'll stick to marzocchi, love that DBC cartridge!!!
  • + 5
 Boost only Frown ...
  • - 2
 my friend got a Pike with boost axle and he said there is a good improvement in tracking and rigidity. I would like to try it
  • + 1
 I know! What's up with that.
  • + 0
 @samfr1000: whats up with that
  • + 3
 What? No 26", or straight steerer or rim brake mounts?
  • + 2
 Damn man...just thinking about my sh***y life without a fast removal air top cap fork..thug life.
  • + 2
 There's really no difference, same shitty fork that you have to trick yourself into liking.
  • + 2
 Where's the button to release trapped air?
Still requires use of a zip tie i guess...
  • + 3
 New totem on the way too???
  • + 3
 Don't be a 'Pike'y and get some 36's!
  • + 2
 Can I get a 170mm airshaft for my existing Lyrik 29, or does the new fork use new stanchions too?
  • + 2
 Now that they have a 180mm 29 lyrik i'll be waiting in the forums for a 180mm 29er with a coil.
  • + 2
 Dear bikes industry, I hate you! but love you at the same time...damn it, i give up!
  • + 2
 "Boost is here to stay", uh, yeah, great, thanks for that. All of a sudden Manitou forks look pretty appealing.
  • + 2
 I keep reading that but I have no plans to buy boost anything. New frame arrived yesterday without boost in the back, new 15x100 DVO fork is on the way.
  • + 2
 I will wait for the superboost 20mm version (launch coming soon) to stay trendy for more
  • + 1
 Any details about what the Debonair Air Spring really is? Is it the same larger negative chamber that they had on the 2016 Lyric and they finally put a name to it?
  • - 1
 Had the first Lyrik, bought the second one as I was forced to go 27,5 from 26" and Fox 36 Float RC2 costed waaaay more. I love the possibility of going 180 for Lyrik. Overally a decent fork at a good value (in EU). Not as supple as Fox 36 VAN though (and I'm speaking of a fricking 2011 model), harder to find the sweet spot between traction and diving. Took some pressure/token/LSC tinkering to get it close to 36 VAN. Not sure I ever got there. Also, i did not notice any dramatic increase in performance compared to Lyrik UTurn with removed Flood Gate. From 2007. So unless your Lyrik is faulty, there is no bitchin and going 36, Formula or DVO is sooooo much better than Lyrik. It gets the job done more than well. I hope someone makes the Coil kit for the Lyrik though.
  • + 2
 Crconception makes one to order for 135 euros.
  • + 1
 I have a coil conversion from CRconception on my Pike - which still weighs less than an air Lyrik, along with a FAST damper specifically tuned for it - as well as a coil rear on my Reign.......compare your lives to mine and then kill yourselves Big Grin
  • + 2
 Solid refinements on a great fork. Plus it looks to have dropped a quarter of a pound in weight. Looks like a win-win.
  • + 2
 New Pike 140 275: 1834g
Old Pike 150 275: 1861g
Old Lyrik 275: 2005g
New Lyrik 275: 2040g

My guess is that SRAM backed down on the travel of the Pike in order to shed weight, and the Lyrik has been bulked up to allow the 29er model the stretch to 180mm.
  • + 1
 Not sure where you got a quarter pound from, but according to Rockshox's website, the new Pike is only 20g lighter, which is a out 1/20 of a pound.
  • + 1
 @dlxah: I compared claimed for the new one vs actual weights on the current 150 pike and it was about 100-ish grams. Maybe too much of an apples and orange comparison to be legit.
  • + 2
 @garrettstories: After posting my previous comment, I actually read in another article that Rockshox is claiming a 150g weight reduction compared to the boost version of the original Pike. I believe the weight listed on Rockshox's website for the old 650b Pike is for the non-boost version. Presumably the old boost Pike must have been ~130g heaiver than the old non-boost Pike, which seems like a lot to me but who knows.
  • + 1
 Also don't forget they're using the maxle stealth or whatever they call the leverless maxle. That saves something like 50g right there.
  • + 1
 Will the new 275 version keep the same 42mm offset of the previous version, and will the new 29" version of the Lyric be offered in 46mm offset?
  • + 1
 @bsavery: The new claimed weight of 1841g is with a Maxle Ultimate according to Rockshox's website despite what is shown in the photos.
  • + 2
 I had one in my shop just before crankworx and itbwwighed in at 1750g, when you compare that to the current boost pike @1900 ish it's quite a reduction.
  • + 1
 @bsavery: and to be honest, that maxle stealth is a piece of garbage. Way too easy to come loose, and it is a pain to use tools to remove wheels if you are doing frequent transportations of your bike. They should keep and include maxle ultimates on all and be done with it.
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer What is the axle to crown measurements on these new Pikes? Just noting they fit 2.8" guessing they had to stretch the A-C a bit.
  • + 2
 I guess I'll be hanging on to my 150 29er pike for a while...
  • + 1
 Add Luftkappe. Ride the poop out of it, because it's awesome. Repeat step 2 as necessary. That's been working quite well for me.
  • + 2
 For some reason I want to watch the movie snatch, again.
  • + 4
 What you don't believe I 'Ave the minerals
  • + 3
 Pike s. I'll do the fight for a caravan. It's for me ma
  • + 1
 @weebleswobbles: patty winker blue

Twice the size twice the fight
  • + 1
 @mahdessi: haha. Feck it Il do de fight fur free.
  • + 1
 "up to 2.8 tire"

What about those of us running 3.0? I run 3.0 on my Yari, have changes limited tire width size?
  • + 3
 35mm Revs hell ya!!!
  • + 1
 The new Revelation looks like a banger of a deal. Awesome to see that for budget builds.
  • + 1
 Will you be able to convert your old pike to a charger 2 damper? or, would you want to?
  • + 3
 New revelation is cool.
  • + 3
 Ribbon>Pike.
  • + 1
 What's next to complete the RS range ? New boxxer with Charger 2, maybe 29" option
  • + 0
 Aftermarket solution with both shock and fork with one remote. F$#k yeah. Finally.

Now, where's steel spring option/Totem/whateva?
  • + 2
 Boost only Lyrik.........SRAM you are killing me.
  • + 1
 I didn't catch the part where this is Boost only. Rockshox must not like money anymore.
  • + 1
 They softened it up to create a bigger gap between it and he Lyric.
No more 160mm 29" Pike
  • + 1
 Buy an old Pike for cheap. Throw away charger damper. Insert Avalanche open bath cartridge. Done.
  • + 1
 Alternatively, start with a Yari -- add Luftkappe, and Avy cartridge. You've only bought a MoCo damper to install in the trash, and get the stouter chassis for less money. Luftkappe larger negative air spring means it's still absurdly supple.
  • + 1
 Wish there was a charger damper I could retrofit onto my revelation. The motion control damper ain't so awesome.
  • + 1
 can I get more than 160 from my 27,5 normal rc pike? thanka mates.
  • + 0
 does it look it has more clearance for some mud to collect before you have to drag your bike on the trail?
  • + 2
 No 26" version. Frown
  • + 1
 I still use my 06 pike with coil spring and don't want to replace it.
  • + 1
 I just got a 2016 Pike. Well, fuck me I guess...
  • + 10
 The changes are minimal. '16 Pike is still sweet
  • + 1
 Is it actually better though.........
  • + 0
 So the rockshox lineup finally looks like it should've done circa 4 years ago.
  • + 1
 NO NEW TOTEM????? WHY BABY JESUS WHY?!?!?
  • + 3
 Because all the old totems still work like new
  • + 1
 Still waiting for the new Totem...
  • + 0
 My old totems still work like new
  • + 1
 The only thing I like better than my Pike is my wife
  • + 0
 which has the more supple mid stroke?
  • + 1
 maybe a nice retro 1 1/8" fork with some 20mm axles would be nice, someday
  • + 1
 Axle to crown, is it still the same?
  • + 0
 Checked the RS site and yes, AC is the same. 27.5 160 552mm.
  • + 0
 Ignore, that info is from last lear.
  • + 1
 Annnnnddddd.... I am obsolete again :/
  • + 2
 Not a fan of the decals
  • + 0
 Its ugly as fuck... fox dvo or marzocchi ftw.. screw rock cox
  • + 1
 No 26"? Hold my beer!
  • + 0
 I really like all the new fork options out there for my 26" bike
  • - 1
 If you don't are enough to upgrade your bike then why would they even make a product for you? It's business.
  • + 1
 180mm 29er!
  • + 1
 Decals why you so ugly?
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 It's now impossible to have a pike in 160mm for 29er ? wtf
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flag properp (Apr 13, 2017 at 12:40) (Below Threshold)
 It's a 29er which is designed for cross country. Why would you ever want a hundred and sixty millimeters a travel on a cross-country bike?
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 @properp: I will not answer to you kid with your stupid game about wheel size.
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 Americans don't need a lockout because they are too damn fat to climb anyway.
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 your tallest mountain is 1350 meters / 4400 feet, you don't know what climbing even is
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 Does MTB's In UK come with tea cup holder?
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 Brits can't operate a lockout because it is covered in mud and rain and they are too distracted telling everyone that it is muddy and rainy
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 Or I just live in the UK, but I'm not from Britain. Still Americans are too lazy.
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 No 150mm or 160mm for 29er? Lame!
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 Thats what the Lyric is for - If you are riding in terrain where you need a 160mm 29er fork you will want a fork that wont flex around so the Lyric is the perfect choice from the range.

Same as fox, why go for a 160mm 29er 34 when the 36 has such a small weight penalty?
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 @Racer951:
Are you saying a pike is flexy? I've ridden almost every fork out there, I don't notice a difference in any single crown fork >= 35mm stanchions

I'd maybe agree with 160mm I guess should step up to the big boy forks, however I know plenty of trail 29ers that would be the type to use a 150mm fork (usually with a bit less travel in the back) that would have something like a pike or a fox 34.

And for the record the weight difference between a similar 34 and 36 is about half a pound. I don't call that a small weight difference.
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 @bsavery: No, I didn't say the Pike was particularly flexy, I specifically mentioned the 160mm 29er which is a tall fork.

If you do need the longer travel 29er fork you are probably riding some aggressive stuff and will enjoy the extra stiffness.

The modern 36 is listed at about 0.4lbs heavier than a equivalent 34, I chose the 36 over the 34 personally as at my weight and riding style on a 29er wheel I put performance / stiffness over the small weight increase, no regrets.
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 @Racer951: "well actually"... the fox 34 goes to 140mm, while the 150 and 160mm work, they're in fact made for 27.5 and not meant to be used on 29ers. Fox officially tells you to use the fox36 if you want >140mm on a 29er.

Which makes sense really.
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 @Racer951: it's just marketing dude .... I've ridden a specialized enduro 29er (i'm so sry but it's a second hand ) with a 160mm pike for almost 3 years . And I never have issues with it .... it's work very well.
Sram is compagny so they need to sell something, this is just the society but the fork is maybe not worth.
(That's just my point of view #brokenenglish)
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 @MisterJones: A fair point I wont argue with - but If they do insist on updating the range it makes sense to optimise things, taking away options is either a marketing move or they genuinely believe with the reduced weight of the new chassis a 160mm Pike would be a bad idea.

I am not saying you will have issues with your pike, great fork, but people are really pushing 29ers now more than ever and fork and wheel stiffness can be an issue with bigger wheels, especially under bigger / more aggressive riders.
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 @bankz: I didn't know that but kind of backs what I was saying about moving to a larger chassis for long travel 29 forks - Fox seem to agree too.
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