SRAM Announces New DH Cranks & Colab With Troy Lee Designs

May 22, 2019 at 13:55
by Mike Kazimer  

A number of photos emerged from the first round of the DH World Cup in Maribor that showed SRAM crankarms covered with what looked like plasti-dip, or truck bed liner. It turns out that those were the latest version of SRAM's X01 DH carbon cranks, which come equipped with a new abrasion guard that's designed to keep them looking fresh even after months of riding in muddy, grimy conditions.

The new cranks are now part of the DUB family, and have the same 28.99mm spindle diameter as SRAM's enduro and XC cranks. That extra-precise measurement caused plenty of internet heckling when it was announced – rounding up to 29mm would have been an easy way to avoid that – but now that all of SRAM's mountain bike cranks use the same spindle diameter it should be easier for shops to ensure they have the correct bottom bracket in stock.


The new X01 DH cranks now work with DUB bottom brackets, and have an abrasion guard to keep them from getting scuffed up.


The X01 DH cranks retail for $383 USD, and are available in red or black in either 165mm or 170mm lengths. Not into carbon? There's also a new aluminum Descendant crankset, which is priced at a more affordable $164 USD. Those DUB-compatible cranks are also available in 165mm or 170mm lengths.

SRAM's X01 DH and GX DH 7-speed derailleurs and shifters remain relatively unchanged for this year, other than a subtle graphics change.


Truvativ and TLD teamed up to create this hi-tech camo pattern that's available on certain cranks and handlebars.


For riders looking to add a little extra flash to their ride, Truvativ and Troy Lee Designs collaborated on a new set of red or silver hi-tech camo graphics for the Descendant cranks and handlebars. There are carbon and aluminum bar options, with either a 35 or 31.8mm clamp diameter. The cranks are only available in carbon, in 165, 170, and 175mm lengths for the standard Descendant cranks, and 165 and 170mm lengths for the DH version. MSRP: $449.99 USD.


The carbon Descendant TLD Colab bar is priced at $199.99 USD and comes in 20 and 25mm rise options.

The aluminum versions of the Descendant bar are also available with 20 or 25mm of rise and cost $99.99 USD.




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231 Comments

  • + 166
 Shimano looks at Saint cranks and thinks
"nah, still the best. Carry on as usual"
  • + 56
 true statements. why fix what refuses to break
  • + 14
 Come off it. Sram have just released SX eagle. 12 speed drivetrains at deore prices. They’re that far ahead that even their budget stuff is better than shimano’s best. Look forward to the down votes but no response from the shimano fan boys.
  • - 19
flag wibblywobbly (May 23, 2019 at 7:41) (Below Threshold)
 Keep telling yourself that. 2009 was ten years ago bro.
  • + 92
 @thenotoriousmic: Yup, and I'd STILL rather buy a 11 speed SLX groupset than anything SRAM makes. It just works.
  • + 32
 @thenotoriousmic: if by "better" you mean cheap plastic toys then yes, Sram's budget stuff is "better"

GX is on the verge of being acceptable - everything below that is simply trash for cheap entry level bikes. Sram needs to make a X1 Eagle. GX is too cheap, X01 is too expensive, X1 would be just right.
  • + 27
 @thenotoriousmic: what because more gears = better?
  • + 31
 I've never felt like 10 speed wasn't enough for my needs, this 12 speed stuff has always seemed like nonsense to me.
  • - 13
flag wibblywobbly (May 23, 2019 at 7:57) (Below Threshold)
 @masonstevens: let me guess. You ride 26 inch wheels still. Just like the guy who thinks 4.5 pound Saint cranks are state of the art.
  • + 3
 can i put dese on my diamondback n shit
  • - 7
flag TheFireSermon (May 23, 2019 at 8:01) (Below Threshold)
 @thenotoriousmic: TRUTH!!!
  • - 19
flag thenotoriousmic (May 23, 2019 at 8:16) (Below Threshold)
 @f00bar: Shimano actually thought it was acceptable to release this. That tells you all you need to know about this company but enjoy your clunky plastic thumb shifters, random bite point brakes, front mechs, no existent suspension forks and this pressed steel monstrosity before it all goes wobbly and falls apart after a few months.

singletrackworld.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/2017/05/Shimano_XT_Cassette_5.jpg
  • + 11
 @wibblywobbly: well you're just a troll with no original content. also clearly a fanboy who thinks the new stuff makes one a better rider or have more fun.
  • + 7
 @thenotoriousmic: that said I do run xx1 11 speed lol. as for saint cranks they are pretty bullet proof u cant argue that. Dated yes. but bullet proof
  • + 3
 @onelivinlarge: pinch bolts though.
  • + 25
 Shimano is the best!
Wait, no, SRAM’s the best!

Wait...what’s on my bike again?
  • + 10
 Is liking SRAM and Shimano as taboo as liking Chevy and Ford?
  • + 2
 @Ride406orDie: I guess so. I have ridden both and I like them xtr di2 has been perfect and unmatched until the AXS stuff has come out. I like both of them. They both have their benefits and downsides.
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic:

actually, I have 11sp Sram X1 on my current bike and would like to stay with Sram on my next bike as well. Unfortunately there is no middle ground - it's either trash, or overpriced high end. The GX cassettes are noisy & defective by design.
  • + 9
 @Ride406orDie: I like sram cassette with Shimano shifter and derailleur...
  • + 3
 SR Suntour Aion cranks, a Wheels SS kit, and KMC chain on my bike. No big S needed!
  • + 5
 @thenotoriousmic: I assume you've not noticed that the NX cassette is made from cheese (so the SX could be even worse for it). I've seen a few of them fold under surprisingly low torque.
  • + 5
 @yzedf: This! XTR shifter/der with a GX cassette. Can't beat it.
  • + 5
 @kevcand: XTR cassette Wink ... then you can downshift under load. Its unbelievable. I only realised how good it was when I switched groupsets
  • + 23
 @thenotoriousmic: NX and SX is trash and weighs a metric f*ckton. Would rather run Deore/SLX, same goes for the cheap Level and Guide R brakes. GX Eagle is good, X01/XX1 great but finnicky. AXS looks awesome. XT/XTR is awesome.

Summary: SRAM makes good expensive stuff and horrible entry level stuff. Shimano makes all good stuff.
  • + 2
 Running an xx1 drive train....no issues in 4yrs.
  • + 2
 Not everything Sram makes is terrible, just their cranks definitely are
  • + 0
 Time for the second round of @thenotoriousmic VS @bohns1
  • + 5
 @onelivinlarge: saint cranks dated? in what way? elaborate please, I wanna know what exactly makes cranks dated
  • + 18
 @ismasan: cranks that don't snap. So dated
  • + 3
 @onelivinlarge: totally. emphasis on "refuses"
  • + 3
 @ismasan: Just the continued use of pinch bolts, and no direct mount rings. They are still using the 825 cranks, which is what 2 gens old? But again why mess with something that refuses to break? They were designed to be bullet proof they are that
  • + 1
 @IllestT: I remember few years ago one of Swedish top Downhillers rode Saints with a giant SRAM logo on them. That was straight after release of Srams first X0 DH group
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: don't matter to me none...I'm turbine cranks ,eagle drive train and xtr brakes..Im good.
  • - 2
 @IllestT: and guide brakes...
  • + 1
 @timbud: SX uses the same cassette as NX.
  • + 2
 @opignonlibre: Its still cheese Wink
  • - 9
flag thenotoriousmic (May 23, 2019 at 12:23) (Below Threshold)
 @timbud: I can’t believe I’m having to post this again but here we are.

singletrackworld.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/2017/05/Shimano_XT_Cassette_5.jpg

Sorry what was you saying about cassettes again?
  • - 16
flag thenotoriousmic (May 23, 2019 at 12:30) (Below Threshold)
 @gramboh: deore and slx is a total waste of money. Anything below XT isn’t even worth considering. It’s not fit purpose except slx cranks. Even with xt you’ve still got the horrible shifters and derailers that’s going to go floppy almost straight away and shit clutches. Way better off spending a little bit extra and getting GX then XT.
  • - 3
 @thenotoriousmic: I totally agree with you.
  • - 1
 @ratedgg13: Had my sram 1x11 for over 4 years and has never let me down. Best groupset ive ever had in 25 years mountain biking. Shimano stuff has only ever let me down
  • + 6
 @thenotoriousmic: you sound like a vegan punk talking with your “absolutarian” tone. If I was to do the same I’d say XX1 and XX0 are worth something but I wouldn’t even piss on GX I rode 2 weeks ago. SLX shifter is a waste of money, deore does the job, XT is as good if not better than XX1. I have XTR so I know. If you want to play the card of how great sram is for offering 10-50 and 12sp then sorry they are behind Shimano because latest XTR has one tooth more.

But the world is not black and white, drive train is not a theater of war between good and evil, so all you have left is your preferences that you so hard try to present as facts. In fact since you are such a zealot you should be riding a single speed. And sram does not make single speed cogs. Shimano on the other hand does and they won olympic medals. But you do not care for race BMX because street BMX is where it’s at, especially without a helmet.

Chill...
  • - 13
flag thenotoriousmic (May 23, 2019 at 13:30) (Below Threshold)
 Can you even buy XTR 12 speed? I can’t remember which part of their big comeback they f*cked up? Was it the hub, freehub or cranks they had to admit to not knowing how to make? Ah well at least you’ve got SX eagle instead. Yeah you can say ‘er well that’s just your opinion dude’ but there’s quite a lot of evidence on my side isn’t there? Hence why I just get downvoted without any counter arguments.

Bmx racers are unreal. Those boys are at full sprint with someone’s else bar ends wedged in their sides before they’ve even landed. Unreal. Would be way better without helmets though. Wink
  • + 4
 @thenotoriousmic: Yeah its been available for a good long while now. Stick your head out from under that rock, its easy to find if you look.
Its bloody good. Shifts real nice... actually it shifts better than my current XO1 axs... its just not wireless.

Have had GX too and I got so fed up with indexing every time a leaf brushed the rear mech. NX is good as a budget 12 speed, but I'd recommend 11psd SLX or XT over it everyday. Its not until you start spend XO money that Sram gets real nice.

Well done for posting an STW link, that forum has more misinformation than any biking forum ever. That said Besides which I've seen more NX cassettes bend this year than I've ever seen SLX/XT
  • + 1
 @masonstevens: Yep, still on 10 speed and just ordered sram gx 10 speed derailleur and shifter, together with sun race cassette 11-40T and wippermann conneX 10 SB, it works like swiss watch and, and, and no need of 12 speed at al, front cog 34T narrow wide. Seriously why 12 speed.
  • + 5
 @gramboh: I haven't come in contact with a pair of guides (R/RS) or levels that don't lock out at the lever as soon as ambient temperature rises above 20° celsius. Joke. SRAM should to a recall it face a class action suit on those dumb brakes. Levels nearly killed my girlfriend. Now we are warranting a set of guides after a hot week in North Carolina. Friends if ours also just warrantied a set. Terrible terrible brakes.
  • + 3
 @thenotoriousmic: this is downhill centric, not for nerds looking to get a 12 speed for a trail bike
  • + 3
 @thenotoriousmic: you think more speeds = better?

you just revealed yourself to be an XC rider.
  • - 3
 @masonstevens:
Come ride in Bozeman and you will want 13 speeds
  • - 4
flag Bozeman10 (May 23, 2019 at 18:05) (Below Threshold)
 @f00bar: NX Eagle is the best deal out there. I ride three different bikes the brakes and gears all work well when they are maintained.
Shimano and Sram both work great.
If you used the NX Eagle and it didn't work you got a defective part.
Its just heavy but it works.
I bent my XT cranks on a pedal strike .
I still think they are good cranks.
  • - 1
 @jeremiahwas: haha true most people have no idea.
I ride both and I have no real complaints
  • - 2
 @timbud: wow you can fold steel!
NX cassettes are actually strong enough for E bikes
  • - 2
 @IllestT: What's wrong with XO1 cranks?
I bent my XT cranks on a hard pedal strike no warranty, Sram has a lot better warranty. Ask your LBS who has the better warranty.
  • - 6
flag thenotoriousmic (May 23, 2019 at 18:53) (Below Threshold)
 @timbud: It’s a photo of a shimano cassette the first one that popped up on google images. Shimano actually thought that was a good idea and they’re any wonder they’ve been wiped off the map by sram? Anyway who’s ever caught a shimano mech and actually had the hanger bend and not the mech?

Here’s a picture of my mech never been touched other than to replace the hanger.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/16831016

Anyway I’ll leave you to it. Im off to bleed my xt brakes again.
  • + 0
 I have had a gx drivetrain it’s a xo1 cassette on my bike for very year now without issue. Bent the hanger and wore out the chain. But the components have continued to work well.

I have dub on my bikes. It makes life easier when the cranks will fit any bike I have or will get in the future.

I have guide level brakes. Bleed them myself and never had an issue.

I have nothing against shimano. I just stick with Sram because it’s working. Even the NX stuff.

I said all that but I just bought a microshift Arden 1x9 drivetrain to try out. Less is more I’m hoping.
  • + 3
 Sram is Blingy, but I have always found shimano to be durabe, long lasting, and simple for a good price. More than 3000 miles on my xt setup with no tune-ups or adjustments at all other than a few replaced chains.
  • + 1
 4yrs XO1 and no issues ever.
  • + 2
 @shotouthoods: How much did it cost you? my xt setup was only 275$ for the entire thing. I'd call that a deal.
  • + 2
 Let's the mortal combat begin? (Sram vs shimano)
  • + 3
 @nanaMEX: it's all the same, SRAM and Shimano make people happy in equal measure. Spend more on either brand and you'll have a better bit of metal hanging off your bike looking to hook up with part of the scenery. But nothing will ever be sexier than an XTR derailleur from last decade. Just my opinion man.
  • + 5
 @thenotoriousmic:
SRAM shifting: Good.
Any SRAM crank: Garbage.

I've never seen a worse crank/bb interface than DUB in the history of mountain biking. It's a compromised standard that in the long run will prove to be a defective design.
  • + 2
 @BenPea: i'm not in Sram or Shimano clan, so my comment should be counted as a joke

BUT! (As a small bike components manufacturer) i hate manifold of standarts
from Shimano, SRAM,E13, etc

On my bike i'm using great mix of components which i liked:
-Codes with RT-86 rotors
-Own NW chainring with KMC chain and Shimano cassete on X9 derraleur, and so on

/sorry for my english
  • + 2
 @nanaMEX: ok I'll play too : SRAM Attack 9-speed rear shifter, XT derailleur, RF crank set, 20 + 34 chainrings from Lord knows where, but which have been going for years. Avid BB7 brakes with generic 200mm discs from the dark web. SRAM cassette (I think), Shimano chain... What works works.
  • + 1
 I don't like eggplant
  • + 1
 @Ride406orDie: Shimano is Japanese, so more like Toyota vs Ford.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: nice set up!!!

On hardtail i use wild-mixed bottom braket - left cup unknown, and right cup moved from my DH-bike

and thanks to the Lord both bikes has same standard - BSA83
  • + 0
 @nanaMEX: Perfect, different cups on each side. Works better on a bike than on a lady. Sorry, that was a reckless and stupid joke.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: nice joke, i like it ????
  • + 1
 @BenPea: it should be emoji instead "????" but site engine does not support it

Smile
  • + 2
 @nanaMEX: Spasiba chuvak
  • + 0
 @BenPea: idi na hui!
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: bairnchod?
  • + 1
 6k. It came with a 14 Nomad cc. I converted my 13 Nomad to a full Gx for $375. Bike shop did full SLX on my Trance at $400. Never had a chance to ride the better Shimano but I only use XT brakes on everything.
  • + 3
 @f00bar: GX is the biggest con going. $7000 + bikes with gx. Eff that. XT forever.
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: I have worked on both sram and shimano. (Also have worked on campy but not going there) it’s all about preference especially with brakes and drive train. I prefer shimano but the weight is a bit heavier. I do however refuse to use guides or codes. I don’t like the shifting of sram but I’ll deal with it. For cranks I like the six c but I like my shifting lighter and it’s much easier to bleed shim brakes.
  • + 1
 @AJ420: I'm digging the new 4 pot xtr stoppers!
  • + 0
 @AJ420: my guide RSC's are the best brakes I have had and I installed them and bleed them myself.
Try the new ones.
  • + 1
 @Bozeman10: I've never found Avid/SRAM hard to bleed. As far as I know all the guide brakes use cheap plastic parts inside though, and pretty much all are susceptible to locking out in heat under the wrong conditions. There is a ton of threads on the issue for R/RS/RSC, just google "guide RSC lever lock" or "lever stuck" or "lever not returning". Its shameful.

Shimano have their own issues, too. I've had trouble with XT levers with inconsistent lever throw - typically though, cured with a very tedious bleed procedure.

I'll keep my cranks aluminum and spend my savings on Hope brakes every time.
  • + 1
 @privateer-wbc: I've always found shimanos the easiest bleeds personally..I bleed with an old worn pair of pads in vs bleed blocks ..Gets the bleed tighter ...I bleed from both ends ...Doing it this way I've never had the inconsistent lever throw issue and that's on slx ..I'm on some new xtr 4 pot now well see how it goes ..Pretty happy with em.
  • + 2
 We can all argue that brand x is better than x.
But what comes down to it really is just. Do you like beer after a ride ?
  • + 1
 @davidpr2: You nailed it!That is truly ,what it's all about.
  • + 1
 @bohns1: I believe we may be going similar when you say, bleed from both ends.

Do you mean you bleed bottom up, then top down, and then repeat? I use a syringe top and bottom and cycle through 10-12 times. Works a treat!
  • + 1
 @davidpr2: I typically don't play the brand vs brand game. But when part failures pose risk of personal harm - and my girlfriend has actually has guide failure, and rock shock air spring failure also, cause an accident - I speak up. Hard to have that beer if you don't make it safely to the end of your ride!
  • - 1
 @privateer-wbc: both parts are guilty of this. Shimano brakes with XTR trail lever from 2013-2018 (xt, xtr, saint) have inconsistent lever bite and I am sure caused many crashes, I personally had a few nasty close calls on my XT8000. Shimano never announced a recall even though issue has been known to everybody
  • + 3
 @thenotoriousmic: DUB cranks can get stuck, with no good way to remove them. But of you don't go super-tight with them, you risk having them fall off on a ride. I also explain why DUB is a compromised standard that makes no sense:

m.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=209146&pagenum=1

Virtually every aspect of Shimano cranks is superior to SRAM cranks. Makes no sense to buy DUB cranks as an aftermarket purchase.
  • + 1
 @privateer-wbc: yes sir...I do with some pads that have maybe 2mm left instead of bleed blocks..Gets u that bit of extra fluid in the system for a tighter bleed ..
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Try bleeding them with some worn pads instead of bleed blocks ..Gives u a super tight bleed everytime ...Little trick I learned from my lbs mechs. They all run shimano. The lever issue is do due too much air in the system and having to pump the fluid to where it needs to go hence the inconsistency...Gets worse as the pads wear some. ...with a tight bleed These issues are mitigated ..
  • + 1
 @privateer-wbc: I know but those issues have fixed them.
My buddy and I traded bikes on a good down hill section. His new Yeti with Shimano brakes didn't stop near as good as my brakes.
He noticed right away.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: that's why I would prefer to avoid both!
  • + 1
 @Bozeman10: who has fixed them, SRAM?! When?

For reference my girlfriend has a set, late season 2018 bike. Hers were affected in hot weather and are about to be sent off to warrant.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Do you know if there is a defined root cause for the Shimano lever issue?

I don't know how either company gets away with knowing about these issues and not doing a recall.
  • + 1
 @privateer-wbc: they lack anodizing on the inside of the master cylinder which wears out the seal on the piston. That is why the fluid always comes out discolored. No amount of bleeding hokus pokus and necronomicon proclamations and rain dance helps with that. The system will simply suck in air through the piston. It’s a faulty construction. SLX, Zee (pre 8000 XTs) and Deroes are free from that because they have a plastic tube outside of the piston.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: interesting. Thanks for that.

We have a set in rotation at our place and they *seem* to have been okay since a very meticulous bleed, but I guess it's only time...
  • + 0
 @privateer-wbc: issue is well known. Vast majority of bike mechanics know of it. I personally got problems for 6 months, 3 different mechanics gave my set at least 5 bleeds in that period. Then I gave it a really shitty bleed and somehow it went away. For a year. Now it’s back.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm on new xtr 4 pots..Have had some pretty good downhill runs and heading to Whistler end of month..I've yet to have this lever issue but they are new...Mechs at my lbs are running xt 4 pots and lever pull is a non issue if u do the bleed as previously stated..Give it a try..
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: if u got master cylinder issues leaks or sucking air then that's different.
  • - 3
 @WAKIdesigns: like I’ve said before my xt brakes are total death traps the slx’s are on my kids bike are the same but he’s not riding tracks or at speeds where it really matters. I just have to do a lot of lever bleeds just to keep them running at an acceptable standard. My guide rsc have been totally abused over three years. I bled them because I really felt like I should not because they felt like they needed it the other day. Fluid came out grey.

Honestly laughable how much better sram stuff is at the moment. They’re in a different league. These blinkered shimano fan boys are missing out and not just that if they keep buying it shimano won’t have any motivation to improve and they’ll just keep putting out the same rubbish. Bored of this anyway you can’t reason with them. I’ll just leave them to fumble for their crappy plastic thumb shifters believing what they want.
  • + 1
 All of which is why I haven't yet switched to hydraulic brakes.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: I run saints on all of my bikes...had some guides come stock on a few and they were spongy pieces of garbage. Maybe they were a lower end guide.

With bleeds here and there I’ve had saints last forever.

Have never liked the feel of XTs, and am always surprised when I see even dh kids running xts.

On the balance of the drivetrain I’ve only had sram since I switched to a 1x and it’s been rock solid. I’m sure shimano is the same.

Not sure why people feel they need to pick one or the other.
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: might. E better when they work!

I will avoid the both. No more SRAM or Shimano brakes for us.
  • + 2
 @nvranka: it's called my dick is bigger than yours syndrome..And it's an epidemic here on PB.
  • + 1
 @nvranka: Saints are kick arse ...Try the bleed with a worn pair of pads installed ...Works a treat and lever pull issues are mitigated..Unless ur leaking or pulling a vaccum.
  • + 1
 @bohns1: maybe we should cut out the middleman, we'd all save a lot of time. Here's a link to mine: www.averageweeners.com
  • + 1
 @bohns1: other than a worn set of pads won’t fall out like a block might it won’t make any difference.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: oh k ..Its only what all the local shop mechs are doing and it works ..It takes up the air gap left from pad wear and oversized bleed blocks...It wont work if u have master cylinder leak or vacuum issues ..Try it.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: hahaha
  • + 2
 @bohns1: To continue my current role as a wisecracking bore, @thenotoriousmic has got different vacuum issues, not unrelated to my previous post, narm sayin'? I'm joking, I'm not a notorious hater. He could be the next British PM, weirder things will happen.
Back on topic, why isn't everyone buying completely foolproof and consistent brakes. I'm baffled by people accepting that they don't know how they're going to decelerate before the next turn (that's what this thread sounds like). I'm guessing the answer is Hope or Magura.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: well,I'm on xtr 4 pots now and they have been stellar..Heading to Whistler next month for the true test...Good enough for Martin Mae's, good enough for me..Surprised with all these horror stories that non of these pros haven't almost died...Internet folklore I tell ya..
  • + 2
 @BenPea: not to be a fan boy, but I've had a lot of brakes and Hope have been the most problem free. We have a set of guides soon to be chucked, and a set of XT that seem to be working fine. Otherwise, we have a few sets of Hope, both E4 and X2, and they just work. Never a hiccup.
  • + 1
 @bohns1: well you do a bleed then you put your pads and back wheel back in bleed the lever usually. When you bleed the lever the pads push out to the rotor and fills the system anyway so it doesn’t make any difference.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: again try it if u got a set with like 2 mm left on the pads. You do this at both ends ...pry the pistons back in and toss new pads in..pump lever and get remaining bubbles out into the canister.. Tightest bleed, that lasts.
  • + 0
 @bohns1: Yeah doesn’t make any difference what you use. If you’ve overfilled it by using old pads you’l just push fluid back into the bleed cup when you put your wheels and pads back in and pump the brakes.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: meant to say u put the new pads in last after the canister is removed and you've put top cap back on ..The bubbles are removed prior to that step.
  • - 1
 @bohns1: it’s not an internet horror. No matter the issue, the XT/XTR/ Saint brakes in question will not develop the issue instantly after bleed so pros who have mechanics bleeding brakes for them will not experience much issues. Honestly your inability to comprehend 2013-2018 Shimano trail lever issue is comparable to my issue with Eagle, thenotourismics issue with Shimano gearing or Vinays issue with dropper posts.
  • + 1
 @privateer-wbc: I guess Santa Cruz, Ibis, and about every other bike company doesn't agree with you.
I know they had an issue but that's always going to be the case with all the new technology.
Mine work so I guess that's all that matters.
Hope does have pretty colors if you want more bling.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: it is tho..It sounds like you are the one with inability..The issue is over blown...Yes there is the vaccum or master leak issues and yes the xt 8000 (especially the earlier batches were prone) but many of the complaints at my shop are due to

1 shit factory bleeds straight out the box.
2 excessively worn pads and not enough fluid in the res to compensate
3 people simply not doing a full bleed and thinking they can reservoir bleed for two years..

U think pros just always have their mechanics on hand? U think wynmasters has a dude there waiting to bleed his shimanos after every gram edit he does...Or that Brian Lopes has his mech follow him around Laguna trails when his xtr causes this near fatal inconsistent lever bite..Haha. come on dude! It's just not that crazy of an issue.
  • + 1
 @bohns1: Are you saying you use worn pads to do a lever bleed. Put the top cap back on then put your new pads in to get less lever throw?
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Yeah they’re fine for about four or five rides after a bleed. After that they’re a total liability. On the plus side shimano brakes are way easier to bleed than SRAM’s which is just as well because you have to do it all the time.
  • + 0
 @thenotoriousmic: yeah, people have been doing it ever since I can remember or the other way around, closing bleed nipple while pushing oil from the bottom to get the lever feel stone hard. It’s all rain dancing and Russian roulette. Then all the issues with leaking calipers, making you spend 60-80$ before you notice it’s a lost game and you need a new caliper. @bohns1 no it’s a Russian roulette. My guess is they find a brake that works and stick to it. I wouldn’t write that if I didn’t have a load of evidence outside of internet.

Just got a latest Code RS, bleeding as easy as Shimano and much more solid feel.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: That's great ..My evidence is outside internet folklore as well..I just got xtr 4 pots and they are the best brakes I've ever had the pleasure of using. But to each their own.
  • + 1
 @Bozeman10: big brands base spec based price, and get package deals. And guide brakes are not new tech I don't know anyone who spec Hope, likely because they are to expensive to be economically viable - generally people turn to Hope for reliable upgrades and replacements. And they are more than just pretty brakes - they work, period.

And of course all that matter (to you) is yours work Razz

We have had two sets come through our house hold that locked out in hot weather. Three if you count a friend of ours who's literally locked out in our den in a warm room.

They are fine brakes when they work. But given the result of a failure can be rather catastrophic, we'll avoid. Don't care who like them and who doesn't, who spec's them and who doesn't - I've had 8 or 9 sets of Hope brakes since 2004-2005 and not a hitch with either set, and all I'm trying to do is offer my own personal experience here. I've had several sets of elixr's (5/7cr), juicy's (5/7/ultimate), and my girlfriend has had levels and guides, and out of all of them only one set was relatively problem free, but still did the dying turkey thing. The rest leaked or locked out.

You ride your SRAM brakes to your heart's content and honestly I wish you don't have issues, because mechanical issues stink. But, if you do, the cure in my experience is to dump them all together.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: just buy some decent brakes with actual adjustment besides why would you ever want to do that?
  • - 1
 @bohns1: where did I say that your XTRs are not good.... aaaaaah. We are again the same shit. I said it clearly many times: there is w chance that Shimano has fixed their latest brakes... f*ck man...
  • + 1
 @privateer-wbc: Sorry what? You’ve got a girlfriend? Wow. Only messing.

Yeah hope brakes just work but not very well. Reliable yes customer service on a whole different level as with build quality but performance isn’t great it’s nowhere near sram and honestly even shimano absolutely kill them on lever feel and overrall make better performing brakes.

90% of completed get sold head to toe in sram from the gears, brakes, suspension, droppers etc of course your going to see defects. Look at it proportionately.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: codes are mega tits, guides and levels, not so much...
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: what is w chance? Most guys at the shop are running the 4 pot xt...Nothing to fix there!
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: well, sure the make more yeah. But nearly every set we have had have been bad. So, it's not isolated to a pair here and there, at least for us. We have reached the end of the rope.

For my taste, Hope works very well. E4 with sintered pads are plenty powerful, and I quite like the lever myself - definitely more than SRAM, and maybe a touch less than Shimano, maybe about the same. I understand that's very personal however. In my own experience I also find them to pump a lot less than Shimano, and they don't fade, so I'm not sure what performance issues you mean, and how you figure they are better than Shimano. I've ridden quite a few Shimano brakes as well, and still have a set of XT's (m8000) in rotation that actually work very well.

Again, for anyone who loves SRAM, great. Or Shimano. If yours haven't bunged up, I'm glad to hear they haven't. Just laying out my own experience.
  • + 1
 @privateer-wbc: fair enough I’ve properly abused my guides. I’ve been at the how are these still working point for well over a year now. I’d happily buy hope they’re made 30 mins away from my house I just don’t like the brakes. Levers are physically hard to pull always feel like they’re sticking they’ve got sharp edges with dimples that feel horrible without gloves. The brakes they make today aren’t any better than the v2’s I keep as spares. Just feel with hopes you seem to spend a lot of time on the brakes. You can’t just slam on and let off early.
  • + 1
 @bohns1: there is A chance that 2019 models have already fixed the issue of internal surface of the master cylinder that previous brakes used to have...

@thenotoriousmic - you just committed a social media suicide... you mildly put in question whether Hope brakes are the best... that would maybe go unnoticed but then you said you like Guides more... expect angry mob at your door anytime.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: According to my research, based on a sample of 1 during a two-day stint on a trashed rental bike, Guides are 15 years behind the competition.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: @WAKIdesigns

my previous brakes was Guides, so let me say 2 words )))
1. "locked levers" problem can be fixed in 2 minutes - you need only sandpaper,
and to know how to assemble/disassemble lever and to bleed it then
(i've did it for both levers, 2 years ago. Still perfect works)
2. Guide gives more power and modulation when on organic pads

/sorry for my english
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: I think the newer brakes are actually more powerful.

Incan definitely see how the tech 3 levers might throw someone off. They do have a fairly stiff return spring, and yeah, the levers definitely feel rough without gloves! None of mine feel sticky though. You might prefer the Race lever - it doesn't have the return spring, or the dimples - much lighter action. And maybe you might hate those too Razz
  • + 1
 @BenPea: Guides have modulation for wet slab analysts. If you feel you must brake with front brake on a steep wet slab, Guides are best. When you want to do coaster wheelies for miles, Guides are best... Everywhere else they lack power. And that’s like everywhere
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Sounds about right. Breaking distances were all out of whack and I swore at every tight bend.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: you never know what’s behind the bend, except on Guides you will find out
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: meh they lake power compared to codes or saints but they’re still decent compared to most more than m8000’s. I don’t need more powerful brakes I even use metallic pads and I like how you can brake down death chutes without dying with them but honestly see no reason to ever choose them over codes there is hardly any difference in weight might as well get the more powerful brake you don’t have to use it all.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: whats funny is Im a shimano fan boy and I completely agree
  • + 111
 So, that abrasion guard on the crank arm will now get revenge on my shoes?
  • + 7
 exactly my thought
  • + 7
 Yeah, it seems a strange choice. You don’t need to make the crank abrasive/grippy to stop it wearing!
  • + 4
 There's going to be abrasion either way. On your shoes or on your cranks, pick one.
  • + 23
 I dont tend to wear down either because i refuse to pedal
  • + 8
 @harvUK: honestly if you’re peddling. You’re doing it wrong.
  • + 2
 Or you could just helitape your normal cranks..
  • + 8
 @Tmackstab: Or, and bear with me here...*smooth aluminum cranks*

bike.shimano.com/en-EU/components/mtb/category/crankset.html
  • + 1
 @garneau565: Yeah that's the knee jerk thing to say about carbon cranks and I agree with you to a point. As a heavier dude I can say there is a noticeable difference in stiffness between Alu and carbon cranks. Right now I'm on XT cranks and they do the job but I do miss the stiffness of my old Sixc cranks. I guess it boils down to do you view your cranks as a wear item or performance item?
  • + 0
 @Tmackstab: Have you tried XTR cranks? Having raced on many of the available offerings from various brands, I still have yet to find a crank I prefer to the XTR. And I'm 193 cm/82kg, so definitely bigger than the average racer.
  • + 2
 @garneau565: I have not but those are on my radar for sure. I'm waiting to see what the new ones are all about once Shimano gets their shit together.
  • + 2
 Why more friction? Seems bizarre. And who cares what cranks look like after months of use? Is anyone thinking they'll look fresh, and will fetch top dollar on the secondhand market?
  • - 1
 @sngltrkmnd: I do. If I pay 300+ for a crankset I want it to look well for at least a year. No carbon crank can pull it off and XTR 9000 looks like crap 3 months in. Pricey cranks that look good for years, no matter how many scratches they get: CC Ewings, XTR 980, XT 2010 in silver, Hope
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I have to say the Ewings are pretty awesome. When they were first released everyone made fun of the price but around here, I see them everywhere!
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: To each his or her own, but to me, my bike is a tool. I don't use frame wrap, I seldom wash the bike, and I sure as heck don't care what the drivetrain looks like. I need to save time for other important things, like chain lube and internet comments. Wink
  • + 0
 @sngltrkmnd: I buy some premium stuff from time to time and expect premium quality from it. That involves holding up. Also, carbon parts with ripped clear coat soak in water. Carbon does not like water. Carbon cranks in general are a really dumb idea outside of XC racing and road. Here Sram is doing the same old thing ,refrying their regular crank and calling it DH. Sorry they make longer spindle. Now they added a fricking sticker that looks hard. Won't save it from the pedal insert loosening. As it happens with many many carbon cranks. So if I don't care about the looks of my crankset I would buy an old XT or SLX. Which I did...
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: Exactly. You should be pedaling.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: my turbines are on season 3 and still look relatively new ...Pretty happy with how they've held up ...Not expensive either..
  • + 1
 @bohns1: they look sweet, I always loved RF alloy cranks, but aren’t they ankle shavers? My wife has Atlas cranks and they can bite. They have rather sharp edges
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I could be wrong but aren´t the Sram carbon krankarms just covered with Carbon and not like the RF that are just full carbon with inserts? My RF SixC could just brake after hitting one minor thing, they are light thoughSmile
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Maybe for some...I've honestly never had any issues in regards to that.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Nope, mine are smooth as a baby's bottom.
  • + 1
 @sngltrkmnd: frankly I’d be embarrassed with a frame wrap and a super clean bike all of the time....
  • + 1
 @nvranka: I guess u don't like resale then...I've always got top dollar on all bikes I've sold after two seasons due in part to the frame protection..This gives me more dollars for next frame ...Your only embarrassed if u care what people think ...Something i stopped doing years ago.
  • + 1
 @MtbSince84: meh proper overrated if you ask me. Might pedal a few times to get going but anything after that and you’re just showing off.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: unless camera equipment is in the vicinity and then it's all the watts.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: Maybe is put in a few decent cranks for the gram. Ha
  • + 53
 "Colab". Lord that word gives me douchechills.
  • + 13
 You get a free set of matching white sunglasses and white belt with the purchase.
  • + 0
 website writers are educated in click bait slang not formal language skills.
  • + 1
 @ratedgg13: And a flatbill baseball cap
  • + 1
 Supremely chilled
  • + 2
 TLD legacy: Suicide via endless lame brand collaborations.
  • + 43
 Truck bed liner, really? So the solution to visually unappealing cranks when they're worn, is to make them unappealing in the first place.
  • + 4
 Raptor! Let´s get rid of your shoes one at a time Smile
  • + 30
 So they are just the same but red and with sand paper glued to them?
  • + 27
 red is 8% faster
  • + 2
 @f00bar: You are correct, scientifically proven red is the fastest color.
  • + 2
 And costs more to insure
  • + 2
 Adds 5 horsepower too.
  • + 26
 how about we make cranks out of some material which is not so brittle and can handle the abuse better, like, I don't know... an aluminium alloy?
  • + 22
 Sram xo ''Stucco'' edition.
  • + 19
 Aaron needs a set of these
  • + 4
 Just add E13 stickers and hes away!
  • + 1
 I loved his social-media self harm where he tried to explain why the crankarm broke and that it was a prototype
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: really he said that?!
  • + 2
 @jo3cart3r: Yeah. Vital posted a video of the crank breaking and he went into a full blown explanation of an old prototype crank accidentally got put on his bike.
  • - 2
 @jeffakalucas: he must go back to don’t feed the trolls strategy.
  • + 4
 Ha. I’ve seen way more broken SRAM carbon than any other crank. Maybe these are stronger.
  • + 13
 Next World Cup we'll SRAM collab with TRUCK NUTZ and Saddle Bagz will be born. Little weights in a little sac that hang from the back of your saddle to help with g-out forces.
  • + 1
 and dampens vibration
  • + 5
 This is sad.. totally underwhelming graphics from troy lee,. Hi-tech camo? are you high?
Abrasive truck liner? That is your factory solution for your top tier crank arms? Why not make it of the same material and texture of the boot at the end of the crank arm?
Trash.
  • + 1
 @ratedgg13: hopefully the pros have free shoes!
  • + 7
 Troy Lee collaborates with Adidas to make shoes. Tory Lee collaborates with SRAM to make shoe-wrecking cranks. ILLUMINATI.
  • + 4
 Line-X is now helping to strengthen carbon cranks? HAHA

Rednecks everywhere are shaking their heads saying "yep i could have told you so a long time ago, I spray that truck bed-liner stuff everywhere"
  • - 3
 Good one. Line X hahah
  • + 3
 Line X was originally developed by the American military to protect structures- there's video of a coated cinder block building withstanding a multi-megaton blast after the uncoated structure was blown away like a feather. But there's still probably a disclaimer about it's ability to keep those SRAM carbon cranks from disintigrating
  • + 3
 Who’s the smart a$$ that said let’s put an abrasion guard to keep them from getting scuffed up? That just means my shoes will be ruined Eek until Sram redesigns their carbon layup, I will never purchase their cranks. I have seen way to many break!!!!!
  • + 3
 High-tech graphics, really, how so, it's a ferking graphic, as for the grip tape crap on the cranks, just invisiframe them as on the picture of the high-tech graphic cranks FFS!
  • + 2
 I’d still rock shimano, shimano to me is engineered better and they don’t mess with their spec as well they stick to their roots and have faith behind their product and been running strong for many years while sram changes things every 4 months lol
  • + 1
 Just got back from Moab. Sat in the trailhead parking lot and watched two guys screw with one of their bikes, it had the electronic shift eagle drivetrain. They messed with it the whole time we unloaded and geared up. I hopped on my Zee rear derailleur, XT shifter equipped ten speed and rode of down the trail with the gang. Hmmm, sometimes simple shit that works is bestest.
  • + 3
 The abrasion on the cranks is just genius! Love to trash my shoes for no reason!
  • + 3
 Is that a stamped steel chaining on the $450 TLD edition Descendant cranks?
  • + 5
 Bye Bye Shoes!
  • + 2
 The red XO cranks look sick, but they need to protect the crank on the lower half which is where they get the most beat.
  • + 2
 Article published right along with 'Interview: Aaron Gwin and John Hall on Broken Cranks, Healing, and More'
  • + 1
 Friction on crank arms=less pedaling efficiency. But I guess not having scratched cranks and having scuffed up shoes is more important for DH racing?
  • + 1
 PF30 is such a garbage interface, nice work retard "engineers".
m.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=209146&pagenum=1
  • + 2
 I'm willing to accept some leeway for style but this stuff is unacceptably U G L Y and ain't got no alibi.
  • + 1
 the bit of red on the cranks don't hide the 28.967352839462mm diameter spindle
  • + 2
 where's the TLD Lyrik tho?
  • + 2
 Gwin has the last say on cranks.
  • + 1
 Grip tape for floors works just as well and is extremely cheap and can usually be bought by the foot.
  • + 3
 What's the issue with invisiframing them? Worked a treat for me. Just did the outer faces. Looks like they've done exactly that on the Descendants actually.
  • + 1
 Always found TLD designs kinda meh to be honest, these cranks and bars are no exception.
  • + 2
 I wonder how abrasive it will be on shoes now?
  • + 1
 I am sure these will be excellent cranks, as reliable as the Guides. And there will never ever be a need to recall them.
  • + 1
 Lol good day to release a carbon crank...
  • + 1
 So now the cranks will eat the shoes and not the other way round?
  • + 1
 I can't even handle this...I think I should find a new hobby.
  • + 1
 Abrasion guard? Looks more like an abrasion pad design to shred your shoe
  • + 1
 To expensive but it looks awesome
  • + 1
 *puts on ugly liner to prevent ugly shoe scuffs*
  • + 0
 They better not start putting red cranks on their sponsored riders' bikes like the red fork lowers
  • + 1
 It would look really good on an Intense M29 with all red. Add the red code calipers and the X01 with the new red accents and you have a sick looking bike!
  • + 1
 I would love the se for my m29. But I'm too afraid to try them @Pavel-Repak:
  • + 2
 No bass boat color?
  • + 1
 The TLD Descendent cranks and bars do look somewhat like bass boat graphics. lol.
  • + 1
 I love love all the tld collaborations that are coming up
  • + 1
 how wide are the bars?
  • + 0
 The Demo 8 fan boys are gonna love this.

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