SRAM's New Code Brakes - First Ride

Apr 25, 2017 at 23:55
by Mike Kazimer  
SRAM Code brakes


Given the success of SRAM's line of Guide brakes, it's not surprising that the classic Code brakes were next in line for an overhaul. The longevity of those powerful DH-oriented stoppers has been impressive, and even on the World Cup circuit last year there were plenty of riders still using them, but SRAM felt there were areas that could be improved and modernized.

The new Codes aren't quite as industrial looking as the previous version, with a lever design that's very similar to what's found on Guide brakes, including the same cam activated cup seal and port system. The main difference is the size of the lever's reservoir, which holds 30% more fluid. This increased volume is intended to help ensure that the brakes feel the same at the beginning and the end of a run, no matter how long and steep it may be.
SRAM Code Brakes

• Intended use: downhill / enduro
• Four piston caliper
• Larger fluid volume
• Aluminum lever blade
• Reach adjust, pad contact point adjust (RSC)
• Bleeding Edge caliper fitting
• DOT 5.1 fluid
• Claimed weight: 433 grams
• MSRP: $244 (RSC), $154(R)
• Available: May 2017
www.sram.com

At the caliper side the new Codes use 15mm and 16mm pistons; the slightly larger dimension versus the Guide's 14 and 16mm pistons is said to help increase the amount of stopping power by 15%. The brakes use the same brake pad as what was used on the previous version of Code brakes, welcome news for riders who have a stockpile of spares and are considering upgrading. The calipers also now have SRAM's Bleeding Edge fitting, simplifying the bleed procedure and eliminating the tiny screw that loved to fall to the ground and roll to the darkest recesses of a workshop.


SRAM Code brakes
The new caliper has a small heat shield and more room around the top of the pads to help keep the temperature down during long runs.
SRAM Code brakes
A look at the path that the DOT fluid takes inside the caliper.

SRAM Code brakes
SRAM Code brakes



Ride Impressions

Since the Whistler Bike Park is in the process of shedding its thick winter coat of ice and snow, I've been riding the new Codes mounted on a Trek Slash for the last month rather than on a full-blown downhill bike. I've still been able to get them onto plenty of steep trails with sustained sections of heavy braking, I just had to get up to the top under my own power rather than relaxing on a chairlift.

Compared to the Guide Ultimates whose spot they replaced, the additional power the Codes deliver was instantly noticeable—it's like grabbing the emergency brake lever instead of gently stepping on the floor pedal in your car. I kept the same rotor size as I had before—200mm up front and 180mm in the rear—but after that initial ride I found myself considering downsizing to reduce the power a little bit. I ended up sticking with the 200mm rotor, but there's definitely enough strength in these stoppers that you might be able to go with a slightly smaller rotor, especially if they're being used on an all-mountain or enduro bike rather than a downhill machine.

The Codes have more of an on / off feel than the Guides, but there's still plenty of modulation for creeping into steep rock rolls, or navigating through loose sections of trail where fully locking up the rear wheel will end up making you go even faster. One of the trails I regularly use for brake testing descends 2,300 vertical feet in less than 2 miles, and even on the longest, most unrelenting sections the feel of the brakes remained exactly the same—there was absolutely no pumping up or fading.

The Codes are definitely best suited to downhillers and enduro riders who regularly find themselves in need of as much braking power as possible. For more all-round usage, the regular Guides seem to offer better modulation and deliver their power in a less whiplash-inducing fashion, but for riders looking for extra strong, fade-free brakes, so far the Codes fit the bill. Look for a more in-depth review once I've burned through a couple sets of brake pads and can better comment on their long term reliability.






229 Comments

  • + 114
 Code this be the best news for me today?
  • + 92
 Yes. Disc could be!
  • + 16
 @stovechunin: wheely happy about this review
  • + 55
 Please put a controlled Stop to these puns. I DOT anyone is amused.
  • + 20
 @aoneal: Dont worry, the puns will lever out soon.
  • + 9
 @Thustlewhumber: There will soon be a brake in these puns and they will come to a stop
  • + 13
 I see my wallet bleeding in May.
  • - 61
flag torero (Apr 26, 2017 at 9:10) (Below Threshold)
 This new brakes look shitty and delicate
  • + 17
 these brake puns have been bled to death
  • + 42
 Some of these puns are a sram dunk.
  • + 31
 @Thustlewhumber: you have to admit that overall the caliper of puns is improving.
  • - 18
flag pepe13 (Apr 26, 2017 at 11:18) (Below Threshold)
 i find this review pretty code too. Code news yeah!!!
  • - 16
flag Caiokv (Apr 26, 2017 at 11:19) (Below Threshold)
 Let's HOPE thats the end of these braking puns!
  • - 2
 These new Codes have me pumped!
  • + 17
 These puns are piston me off
  • - 17
flag uphill-blues (Apr 26, 2017 at 13:01) (Below Threshold)
 Dear moderators, Lock up this thread and put a stop to it. These puns make me want to squeal.
  • + 3
 I have been avidly reading all the jokes in the comments...
  • - 6
flag tabridesbikes (Apr 26, 2017 at 23:07) (Below Threshold)
 K, we really need to take a brake on these puns....
  • - 5
flag OnionRing (Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30) (Below Threshold)
 I like Darren, he is my friend! I like you AND him--he likes me and I like him!!
  • + 2
 @OnionRing: I'm not feeling the modulation!

I'm at a reach to find a conclusion!

I'm struggling to adjust to all these new features!

I'm at my bite point!
  • + 42
 My sram guide rs nearly killed me last weekend. The front brake locked up sending me over the bars on some steep chunk. Apparently when it's hot the plastic master cylinder piston expands enough to bind and not release. (Readout SRAM?) Really frustrating as I had a lot of issues with Shimano XTs before this. I think I'll be trying hope next.
  • + 37
 Definitely can't go wrong with Hope Smile
  • + 1
 You may have the wrong olive/ barb configuration
  • + 20
 Certain sram guide rs brakes have been having issues, hit up your local shop and they should be able to help you out.
  • + 12
 Yes, it's a known issue. It happens on hot days, or when they stay a few minutes in direct sunlight.
  • + 9
 Go to the LBS and change to updated internals!
  • + 3
 Same thing happened to me, except it was my rear brake, and it just happened to occur on the landing of a nice 35ft jump! This is the second time its happened to me as well!
  • - 3
 @giantrider89:

This gives me hope.
  • + 1
 @Tmonster2301: is this done at Sram's expense?
  • + 5
 @neimbc: yes... but only if they are less than a year old (which is BS, it should be a full on recall as someone is going to get killed).. Both mine siezed on a hot day, but I didn't crash thankfully, I was still going up hill...

Mine just hit the cut off so they were fixed for free, however, I chose to sell immediately..
  • + 1
 Have your local shop give SRAM a call. They should send out replacement levers or new brakes. A handful of brakes had this problem and is remedied with updated levers
  • + 1
 @billybobzia: Thanks, I have the Guide R, this only applies for the RS model? It is BS that they honor it fr just a year.
  • + 2
 FINALLLYYY, I've been noticing these brakes getting really shitty in the heat. Modulation changes on the minute and overall fell is terrible. GUIDE RS suck. I'll be giving my LBS a shout and try to get something our of SRAM.
  • + 1
 @mxben13: What kind of temperatures are we talking about here? Any temps over +30 Celcius?? I have a set of Guide Ultimates & RS. Does anyone know if it applies to all Guide Models?
  • + 1
 @neimbc: Applies to R models as well. Ask me how I know...
  • + 9
 @mrleach: Ok! How you know??
  • + 6
 My '15's were warrantied then the new set warrantied only a few months after install---these seized up. So I'm on my third set. The brakes stop well but have zero durability. Seize due to being in the sun??!! I live in a sunny place! What kind of silly product meant for outdoors can't be in the sun??!! I guess it's cool that SRAM sends me new crap stuff to replace the old crap stuff but I still have to pay my bike shop to install the rear brake each time due to dumb internal routing, which SRAM should pay for since it isn't my fault...hello...SRAM???
  • + 2
 @jdlsalle: In direct sun anything over 75f would make them act funny. Really hot, as in 85+ or ridden downhill for an extended period and they were terrible. Locked up completely on me one day, five minutes later no pressure on the lever, drive up the hill 45 minutes ( santa barbara ) and the brakes are working perfect.
  • + 0
 @b-wicked: Where do you buy the new updated plunger? Every lever rebuild kit I can find online appears to have the old plunger design...
  • + 2
 @jdlsalle: I'd like to know this too being as I spent a day in Whistler last year and actually cooked my breaks and had smoke coming out of em.... but nothing ever locked up so.... I mean f*ck if I have smoke coming out of my rear brake i assume they are hot haha
  • + 1
 Same exact thing happened to me on the front brake of a 1 year old pair of Guide Rs. I had to sand down the plunger to make it work again, but not sure how permanent that fix is.
  • + 7
 @neimbc: this goes for R,RS,RSC. It isn't that they're heating up too much its an issue with the piston in the master cylinder being a little out of spec so when they heat up or expands and drags on the inside of the lever and makes that sticky feeling. Also,they will warranty them outside of a year, I've done it a few times at my shop, my own brakes included.
  • + 1
 @malitia: Great Info! Thanks. Do you know if it's the same with the Guide Ultimate brakes?
  • + 3
 @jdlsalle: should hypothetically apply to any guides. If they have a sticky/slow return feel at the lever, call them in. When people are nice about it when they call in they pretty much will take care of you. I know people that have called all bent out of shape and being a dick about it and of course they aren't gonna want to help. Do unto others...!
  • + 2
 @jdlsalle: well.. I was riding in February in Colorado.. so not that hot.. but its obvious when its happening, first the lever feels like it is not returning properly and gets worse from there...
  • + 1
 @malitia: a handful??? this thread has more than a handful.. literally every one I know that had these brake had this problem.. all ride shimano now.. Sure.. great modulation, but not worth the issues..
  • + 1
 @jdlsalle it will happen at any temp if the brakes are some of the affected ones, it just makes it worse in hotter temps/long descents
  • + 1
 @jdlsalle: It was 30C when it happened to me. They had been sitting in direct sunlight for an hour prior.
  • + 1
 same problem here... handmade solution in this vid: youtube.com/watch?v=pGfUXiMsl1s&t=41s
  • + 1
 @billybobzia: that handful is in reference to the total number of guide brakes on the market, not the number of people replying to this Pinkbike post
  • + 1
 @billybobzia: might as well kill somebody else eh?
  • + 1
 I bought a Transition Smuggler 2017. It has guide r brakes. Is this still an issue or have they fixed it now?
  • + 2
 @beerandbikes: I haven't seen any my17 product affected. And seen plenty of their brakes this year
  • + 2
 @giantrider89: except for your wallet
  • + 1
 @mxben13: Many here in tropical Philippines (where it can easily hit the 90's Farenheit at noon) can confirm that Guide brakes are pretty much useless under the hot tropical sun. The first thing that's usually replaced these days when buying a SRAM-equipped built bike are the brakes for more reliable Zees or Saints.
  • + 2
 Its a very common warranty issue from early-production runs of all Guide brakes. It happened to my RSCs; a quick call to the retailer where I purchased mine got the ball rolling and in one week I had new master cylinder assemblies and lines. Not a problem since.
  • + 4
 Why the F would anyone still run Sram brakes still, even after the constant issues? I've had XTR's for 5yrs and have had ZERO issues, ever!
  • + 5
 Add me to the list-- this issue happened to me literally a week outside of the year warranty-- both cylinders failed. SRAM wouldn't warranty outside of a year! $45 for each cylinder plus the labor. Should have just bought new Shimanos but didn't want to spend 5 hours feeding the internal cable routing and bleeding the brake. Tried to swap out the cylinder myself as it is in theory not complicated, but could not for the life of me remove the minuscule split ring recessed deep in the lever body-- definitely not user friendly!!!. Two lessons: Shimano brakes are a better product on most fronts, and internal brake lines are not DYI-at-home-mechanic friendly!
  • + 2
 @jdlsalle: I'm glad you asked! Because last summer I spent a beautiful sunny weekend sweating in my garage, huffing DOT fluid and messing with fiddly little snap rings, cursing SRAM under my breath, while my buddy was out riding with his flawless XT brakes.
  • + 2
 @SoDiezl350, that's a known issue that apparently has been fixed. I took mine to my LBS and they helped me warranty it. SRAM sent them the piston to replace the one that swells up, and so far the brakes have been good. Try and get them warrantied (hint: really bitch about it to SRAM corporate).
  • + 2
 I got both of my Guide RS brakes replaced under warranty (within 2 years of purchase). In Auckland it seemed to be direct sunlight during summer that made the pistons sieze. My LBS says the new piston has been redesigned - touch wood has been fine since
  • + 1
 I got hopes on both my MTB bikes. been running a year no issues. I ride my trail bike 50-100 miles a week with only one bleed and new pads after a year. only did the bleed though cuz i found some green piston bore caps that i wanted to install. and my V4's on my DH bike have a week of all day riding in whistler (which is like a year anywhere else) plus a actual year of normal use no problems.
  • + 1
 Where I live is very hot, usually above 30°C (86°F) and sometimes above 40°C (104°F), my RSC had this problem with the piston went to warranty and the problem was solved, they've been perfect for about a year now...
  • + 1
 @GlassGuy: The answer to ur problem is Shimano or Hope
  • + 1
 I live in the desert and I have the same issue with all of SRAMs brakes for the past two years. They cannot make it more then 6 months without needing a full rebuild. SRAM has been awesome and replace each brake without question. But I put Saints on one of my bikes and they have not had one issue in the last 8 months
  • + 1
 This has been happening since the AVID days. I've heard SRAM acknowledged the issues and has come back with a "MEH" attitude The elixir line had the same problems. I guess if it doesn't get above 90* then you don't really see the issues. SRAM makes great products, but they just haven't been able to hit very well on the brakes.(at least in my experience)
  • + 1
 My Guide R suffer from this, it's only the back brake for now but annoying. I have two updated guide lever internals on their way to me which should fix the problem but i'm hoping i just get new levers
  • + 1
 @pictureman1: My brake failed riding in wet and rainy Northern Ireland, well below the temperature everyone is saying it fails at!
  • + 1
 This is why I don't really see the point in considering SRAM brakes, nor do I ever recommend them. Shimano's brakes are cheaper, and have pretty much the best reputation any bike part brand could ever hope to attain. If there is a bike part that is as close to perfect as it's possible to get, i'd venture it's Shimano brakes. I can't think of anything else with that kind of reputation.

So yeah, maybe SRAM brakes are great, maybe not...by why even take the chance when it's an accepted fact that Shimano brakes are darn near perfect, and CHEAPER?!
  • + 1
 @UserNumberTwo: Yep, I was ready top do a swap and finally get rid of the SRAM crap but they sent only calipers this last warranty and it would've been more hassle to do a full change, so I'm riding the Guides until they become a liability again
  • + 3
 @TheRaven: Sadly I've had very similar issues with the two sets of Shimano brakes I've owned. The XT's had a sticky master cylinder kinda like the SRAMs, while the SLXs had a sticky caliper piston.
  • + 4
 @SoDiezl350: Yeah I know of plenty of issues with Shimano brakes...i've had a few myself. But those issues are a piece of dust on the drop in the bucket compared with the number of flawless sets of Shimano brakes. A fraction of a percent.
  • + 1
 @ArchieDH: must not be a heat issue. I was told by an avid rep that the rubber o rings they use tend to swell one brake fluid touches them. They end up having a "thump" issue which causes the locking up
  • + 2
 @RedBurn: if you check out right, i got my front and rear on chain reaction for under $400...kind of a steal O_O
  • + 1
 @giantrider89: awesome!!!
  • + 2
 @giantrider89: which ones did you go with? V4s?
  • + 1
 @SoDiezl350: yes sir! got the set for $380
  • + 1
 Add me to the list. Had a pair of Guide RS first generation (2015) on my brand new xc race bike. Got about 6 months out of them until both of them failed. Switched to XTR and no problems since.
  • + 2
 @giantrider89: Oh snap I was only looking for E4s but Chainreaction has the V4s on sale right now for $320/set. I just picked up a set. Thanks for the tip!
  • + 1
 @SoDiezl350: there yuh go! Big Grin everyone needs quality, love finding some deals haha. Enjoy 'em
  • + 2
 @TheRaven: himano levers are probably the least reliable part i have ever seen on a bike.
  • + 18
 I'll wait for the 1-2 year review. I've had some major longevity issues with Sram and won't replace my Shimano brakes anytime soon.
  • + 8
 Same. Looking up in this very thread there's quite a few people who've had seizing issues with Guides. Hooray SRAM.
  • + 6
 I was wondering if I was alone... I had 2 pairs last season and blI had problems after not even a month with both pairs. Never buying SRAM brakes ever gain. Shimano or Hope for me
  • + 3
 I always find sram brakes hit or miss. Shimano seem to be far more consistent with the quality of their brakes
  • + 20
 It's back! SRAM, you just made my day
  • + 20
 2011 AVID Codes ain't dead!
  • + 9
 Jajajajaja

You need to use it like a Hashtag

#2011CodesAintDead
  • + 8
 #2011codesdied

last year the piston on my rear brake ( an avid code) exploded halfway down a resort lap. switched to zee brakes and have never been happier.
  • + 8
 @Aydenebb: Zee for the win. Never had trouble with my Shimanos.
  • + 20
 use CODE "ain't dead" to get 80% discount on 26" Mavic XC717 rims.

regards:
The non competitive cyclist - your source for quite snobbish bicycle equipment.
  • + 2
 I'm very happy with my codes. 5 years old and not a single issue. Best modulation ever.
  • + 15
 Emergency brakes arent as strong as floor pedal brakes.
  • + 11
 Yeah that struck me as a bad analogy too. Emergency brakes are less powerful than primary hydro brakes and also either off or on. I would not want brakes that "feel like emergency brakes".

But i'm sure that's not what he really meant.
  • + 54
 I'm assuming he meant pulling the e-brake to do a sick drift, bra! You know, to get all the girls.
  • + 2
 yeah, i too got all distracted at the start of the article by that inaccurate analogy. handbrake is best used as a component for directional changes.
  • + 0
 @TheRaven:I agree, cant stand brakes that lockup to easy
  • + 8
 Dot fluid, longevity issues, poor reputation and shimano slaying them on price to top it off.

Yea nah, I'll stick with shimano yet again.

You couldn't pay me to use $RAM brakes.
  • + 9
 lol, Shimano still has better brakes for much cheaper. fuck these fail brakes
  • + 6
 Buying a SRAM brake is like buying a CrankBrothers seatpost. It looks good, all the initial reviews are good and the company tells you they've sorted out all the problems that have plagued the previous generation. Then you get FKD.
  • + 9
 SRAM on an absolute tear lately.
  • + 8
 Yep Boost 20x110mm forks. A real tear.
  • + 9
 My wife's brand-new Guide brakes on her Pivot Mach 4 Carbon have been locking up in the heat. Apparently everybody that bought Guides in the last year, and live somewhere hot are having this problem. Total crap. Selling and replacing with Shimano.
  • + 7
 "fall to the ground and roll to the darkest recesses of a workshop" story of my life before I switched to shimano
  • + 3
 Cheaper way to get this kind of performance would be Guide RE & a bleed block 2mm thinner than normal. Update to the internals fixes the stuck lever when it's hot problem m.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=189827&pagenum=1
  • + 0
 teh code caliper has larger diameter pistons
  • + 2
 @hamncheez: Guide RE are the E-Bike specific brakeset. They already have the bigger Code Caliper matched to a Guide R Lever.
  • + 2
 Nice looking caliper. These can be as great performing as everyone claims Codes and Guides are, but I'll be staying away if they go with silly long levers. Never got on with them on Elixirs, Codes or Guides. They look maybe a bit shorter though. It might be nice if manufacturers offered different lever blade options for those with different sized hands/different preferences. Or perhaps it would be a giant waste of time.
  • + 0
 sram levers allows people with hand injury to use them comparing to Shimano
  • + 1
 There are still people that are trying to persuade others to get Shimanos over SRAM. I have used Shimano, Avid, SRAM now Shimano again and I could easily change back to SRAM if I wanted to. All of them worked well and for all of them I have a couple of issues to point out. If you want SRAM, go for SRAM. If you want Shimano, go for Shimano. If you want Hope, go for Hope and so on. I find that technology in relation to brakes has reached a high level and that the choices out there are endless (well not endless but you get the point). BTW these Codes look sweet and the real evidence for Code brakes in general is that pros are still using them. That says something.
  • + 3
 "That says something."

Yes, it says that they are sponsored by SRAM.
  • + 1
 @TheRaven: Clever. The question is if Codes are powerful or not - obviously in the SRAM production line.
  • + 1
 @starpak: Still though - if you are a DH athlete sponsored by SRAM you are going to be using SRAMs DH brakes. Alot of questions would be raised if SRAMs top DH athletes were running XC/Trail brakesets while Shimano's top DH riders were all running Saints.
  • + 4
 I don't think ill ever understand the hard-on some people have for mineral oil..
  • + 13
 I owned 1 pair of SRAM brakes. A seal near the hose at the lever failed (unknown to me) and the slow leak of DOT fluid corroded the nut so badly that it fell apart like it was made of sand when I tried to unscrew it with a wrench.

All my bikes now use Shimano brakes and I could not be happier. I've dragged my brakes hard down steep downhill runs to the point where I could feel the heat off the rotor, and they didn't fade. Why again do you need the extra thermal capacity of DOT fluid if mineral oil is enough and won't corrode the paint off your walls?
  • + 0
 My friend set a bottle of DOT fluid on the hood of his car while we bled some brakes. Ruined the paint.
  • + 4
 I like the natural nature of mineral oil, but unlike Dot Fluid, there is NO STANDARD. you're stuck using Shimano. That's why I never bleed the 1 ZEE I have on my street bike. However, in 2 years, I've NEVER needed to. Good brake at a good price.
  • + 1
 @hamncheez: pour water on any DOT brake fluid spill. It absorbs the water, turns milky white and no longer damages paint.
  • - 1
 I agree, thats why i switched to DOT 5 Silicone instead of Shimano mineral oil. Cool that you can get brake fluid at any auto store too
  • + 3
 Can they bring back the old mount system with two bolts, instead of this week Split Clamp mount? It always broke after first pressure in case of crash.
  • + 1
 So, correct me if I'm wrong, but from the pictures it appears as though the bottom bolt on the caliper is super hard to get at... Please tell me I am wrong, these look awesome otherwise, but as someone who has to deal with this stuff regularly, it would really suck if that bottom bolt is hidden under that heat shroud. I can't stand sitting there for 5 min doing 4/9ths of a turn every time hahaha.
  • + 1
 I don't get why SRAM would try to remind us that they were associated with Avid and that horrendous 'choking a turkey' noise they were notorious for. No less remind us of the Avid Codes, which (just like the Guides) had piston seizure issues
  • + 2
 Back then - the cheap Avids would outlast what Shimano had. Codes would and did bind. Thats from a downhill perspective. The only problem was that the Avids faded and deathgrip on handlebars would hurt wrists and speed.
  • + 1
 @wakaba: Of course they outlasted what Shimano had - because they were sitting on the workbench collecting dust while the Shimanos were out on the bike shredding trails.
  • + 5
 Sucks they're not mineral oil
  • + 3
 the main reason why I'm on Shimano
  • + 2
 Minerall oil has a lower boiling point. The reason so many WC'ers run Codes.
  • + 0
 I have an original pair of codes that have always run mineral oil, although they were a dry set when I got them (never had dot fluid in them)
  • + 4
 Always promise more power / reliability and still having issues with avid/sram brakes.
Enough for me !
  • + 4
 Success of the Guides?? Please! Those things suck! Interesting that the weight has been left out...
  • + 4
 • Claimed weight: 433 grams
  • + 1
 Wow, you know what part on my bike I never, ever have to think about? The HOPE brakes. Never need adjustment or bleeding. Work flawlessly with incredible power and amazing modulation year after year. Never fade. Never leak. The "kit" you need to bleed, if that ever happens, is a wrench and section of tubing. Flip-flop open reservoirs for super easy filling. Strong bar clamps. They are pricey at the get-go, but they pay back with total confidence and performance, like, forever. I work on machines every day that are the epitome of terrible engineering, so it is refreshing to use a component that is so perfectly thought out. And no, I am not a shill- just a rider who decided to do some research and has never looked back.
  • + 2
 Is that the same 'Bleeding Edge' tech that you can't buy a bleeding kit for and which was unnecessarily changed in the first place (what was wrong with the previous design?)
  • + 4
 The new bleeding edge technology is really awesome. The adapter you need comes with the brakes, unless they are on a complete bike then you might have to order one. It makes bleeding and maintenance a lot easier for home mechanics and the new lever designs also allow for more consistent lever feel even if you have a little bit of air in the system. All in all these are welcome changes for a home mechanic. Don't knock it until you have had some experience with it.
  • + 3
 @bobjerg: I want experience, but can't buy the adaptors anywhere! I've been in touch with a bleeding kit company who have said it's caused nothing but problems with them, but I will reserve judgement till I try.
  • + 2
 @Mayzei: Here is the SRAM part number for the bleeding edge tool 00.5318.015.001 You can google and its in stock all over the place. Not crazy expensive but I know its frustrating having to buy more tools. Cheers!
  • + 1
 @bobjerg: I also had no problem ordering and buying the bleeding edge adaptor. Caution, there are different avid/sram bleed kits. The basic bleed kits use a shitty syringe that has hoses that use a plastic thing to twist in.

This will not work with the bleeding edge adaptor. You'll need the sram/avid PRO bleed kit that allows the threaded coupling to attach too.

Ask me how I know!
  • + 1
 @jeffakalucas: Good point!
  • + 1
 I used to have codes and i hated them, they are almost impossible to get the caliper to center, even on straight brake discs and they over heated so quickly even on small descents i burned my brakes
  • + 2
 Sram is overpriced and acclereated wear crap. I am now Sram free except an x-5 derailleur on one bike and guess what - no breakage and slow wear only since. Dead brand.
  • + 1
 GOD DAMN IT, YES!!! That's better than Christmas! Selling XT 8000s and Guides RS as soon as these pop up on bike components de. Guides are not powerful enough, XTs don't provide enough modulation.
  • + 42
 Zees are already available and most likely cheaper.
  • + 6
 @TheRaven: Some like Nikon, some like Canon, some like Sony. I prefer Stout over Lager and fkng hate IPA. If Canon and Stouts disappear from surface of earth I will gladly use nikon and drink Lager. But if only Formula and Sony, IPA are left I will be really angry. So... as long as I have choice I take SRAM, for feel to power ratio allowing me to ride all day in the bike park and at the same time front brake stays usable on a 30 degree, wet granite slab. And having had all sorts of brakes, I say both Sram and Shimano are comparable in terms of reliability. Fk the rest though...
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flag TheRaven Plus (Apr 26, 2017 at 7:40) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: Well we agree on one thing - IPAs blow.
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 @WAKIdesigns: but dat DOT fluid....
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 @hamncheez: I always pour the used DOT fluid into a container, drive it to the airport, and the next day Lufthansa will spray it over London. Queen gets cancer and we get Doxit!
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 @TheRaven: Yes...I thought I was the only guy in Colorado who doesn't like IPA's. Haha
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 or Use Mt5s....
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 @Lagr1980: Hope, never look back.
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 Upvoting all the IPA haters. Just replaced Formula RXs with Zee's, because to hell with Formulas pricing in the states. More power and modulation.
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 @bman33: No, there are at least two of us.
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 @SacAssassin: I really tried to like it. Last time there was some IPA promo in the shop and I bought 4 different kinds. 3 ended up in sink after a few first sips. I swear one was salty. I managed to drink the fourth one, but that was an exercise in beer drinking endurance. I never thought I'd say it but I'd rather drink Carlsberg. I can endure some IPAs from the tap, but bottled ughhhh... Weissbier or Guinessy Stouts for me when it comes to "beer tasting" and decent lagers for binge drinking with mates. Another issue that annoys me recently is that the "microbrewery beer culture" explosion in Sweden got out of hand. Not only huge portion of it are IPAs and Porters, it is fkng hard to find fkng normal beer. I do love Guiness from tap - only cheap, overcrowded pubs have it. I actually started drinking vodka at home, got so tired of it.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I'm a Saints and IPA kind of guy.... I now have a deeper understanding of why we don't always agree ....
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 @WAKIdesigns: The G-Spec TRPs and St. Ides works for me. "ST to the Crooked I"

P.S. I fukkin love IPAs, quad-hopped and higher. Sour, Dank or Juicy, I slay them all.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I always bring my own beer when traveling to sweden, your prices are nuts.

I would rather drink water than a Carlsberg or a Tuborg pilsner here in DK. BTW i love IPA. And my Guide RSC brakes. And my Santa Cruz Bronson. Hate all you want Wink

#26isdead
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 @WAKIdesigns: There are +750 brewies in California, with new ones popping up every month. Most of the ones in Sacramento and San Fransisco specialize in IPAs or sours.

Downside to all those brewies? Its getting damn expensive for homebrewers and beer prices have shot through the roof...kind if like Formulas prices for brake hoses :/
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 I drink IPA, you drink stout. Everybody knows stouts are for girls!
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 Porters for life. I've yet to try an IPA that I've liked. Including Heady Topper. Absolute garbage.
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 @andnyleswillriot: Lager is like going through reddit, Stout is like watching House of cards and IPA is like reading Dostoyevsky... each to their own.
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 SCAM brakes..... I dont always like to have brake failure..but when I do, I prefer SCAM brakes!
  • + 1
 No real experience with avid but had xt 750 now xt 8000 after having run formula oro then rx. Loved the performance of the formula but holy shit I've been overjoyed never to bleed them again
  • + 0
 While Shimano does make good brakes, id rather support SRAM who doesn't allow their current model year product to be sold just above cost online(and literally will tell you they don't care that it's happening). This screws the LBS of any chance at making a profit on Shimano, so they kinda suck even worse as a company, in my opinion. And Shimano typically has crap customer service on the more rare occasion you do need warranty assistance
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 We actually have a higher GP on shimano stuff than sram in our shop and we have no issue selling shimano..
  • + 5
 For a while the shop I worked at just bought Shimano products from online retailers when a customer insisted on having it. It was lower cost than through Shimano direct or other distribution. Every experience I have had with XT M8000 or XTR M9000 has been that there is no saying where the brakes will be in the stroke once your in rough terrain. And every other type of vehicle braking system went away from mineral oil for a reason.
  • + 1
 "Given the success of SRAM's line of Guide brakes"
Mike Kazimer needs to get out more!!
My local bike shop has about 30 sets of defective Guide brakes that need to be returned for warrantee replacement.
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 YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.......... I CAN FINALLY THROW MY CODE R'S ON MY ENDURO BIKE
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 I was about to pull the trigger on a used set of codes for my dh bike yesterday! Thank you SRAM!
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 I'm gonna have to say that I like the old Codes in shiny silver. These new codes look like gay pieces of shit plastic and crappy materials.Fuck these new Codes!
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 It is crazy how the used Saints go for more than used Codes. No point in buying new Sram brakes.
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 Would still rather have the old codes. The new ones look cheap like the guide. Might try some saint or poss hope v4 if I get rich some time soon.
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 Look at the difference in those channel casting diameters. There's your uneven piston push right there.
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 and... the summery of over 200 posts is... a deore on the front and XT on the back... just works.. at least 1/3 the price.. done!
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 Great to see Sram updated the codes! They were long overdue! The initial review sounds good but I'd like to see a long term review. I might get these for my DH bike
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 Hopefully this version will not require a bleed after every use like the last set of Codes I had...
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 Sooo...have guides -> want more stopping power -> upgrade to codes which feel like XT's but cost $100+ more and weigh 200g more?? Prablum?
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 I wonder if they fixed the sticky seals in the lever? I have a set of RS and its annoying to tear the whole lever assembley apart to replace the seals on a yearly basis.
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 SRAM is on a roll recently. Shimano, you still there? 1x12, Saint?
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 Shimano adds a gear about two years after SRAM does. So it'll be at least next year before we see 1x12 from Shimano. New Saint is coming very soon though.
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 @TheRaven: sram inovates? then shimano perfects
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 @nojzilla: Yeah that's pretty much it. SRAM is about being the first to market even if the product isn't quite ready. Shimano spends forever perfecting the product so although it's very late to the party, you know it works.

I prefer the latter approach...admittedly mostly because it's cheaper in this case...but I respect both.
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 Bottom line you cannot beat the price of an xt drivetrain
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 @ibishreddin: However Sram knock the tits of Shimano in their cassette range...
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 @ibishreddin: But you can definitely beat the weight!
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 @ArchieDH: If you ignore price, sure. The problem is that cost is a reality no one can ignore.

That said, even if cost is no object, a Shimano shifter, derailleur, and crank with a SRAM cassette and chain are still better than an all-SRAM setup.

I've got a 10-50t 11-speed setup on my trail bike that involves an XT cassette and OneUp expansion kit. It's a total of SIX pieces and it was STILL CHEAPER than an Eagle cassette. It's even still cheaper than a regular X01 cassette.
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 @TheRaven: Yep, I run XT shifter and mech, with Sram Gx cassette. Mainly because I didnt want to have to spend the cash changing my Xd Driver...
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 Dear SRAM

please "stop". Pretty​ please...

Thanks
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 This is one fugly looking caliper for sure. In Saint we trust!
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 DOT 5.1 is not what I like.
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 so now that SRAM officially has a new DH brake, when are they going to release a 203mm centerline rotor?
  • + 2
 The model of the 2012 silver is the best
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 Question is are these as good as the Saints! Or the Mighty Gustavs!!
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 You should be able to mate up Guide RSC levers to these calipers right?
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 One word.....SAINTS!!!!!
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 Avid bad, SRAM good. Baaa!
  • + 1
 Do they come in 29er specific sizes?? If not count me out
  • + 0
 longevity? Seriously? My codes where a piece of rust after one year (including winter) of riding.
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 so... is it better than guide re on the commie I received last week?
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 Also interested for this comparison - New Codes vs Guides RE.
  • + 0
 Are you allowed to say Commie? :O
  • + 1
 The Guide RE are just Guide R levers with "old" Code calipers. Power is probably roughly the same, just the Guide R levers with the pretty bad lever feel ...

So it's better than a Guide R, but the "small" DOT reservoir in the lever might be the source of the problem I had on a set of Guide RSC levers with Code calipers, with the pistons retracting too much (and me having to get the screwdriver out after a day of riding, to force the pistons out)
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 @lee-vps-savage: I have COMMENCAL SUPREME DH V4.2. so I'm allowed!
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 @lee-vps-savage: sorry, I lied. I'm nuclear bombing downhill code new engineer of north korea. so I'm allowed!
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 #longliveNorthKorea
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 @attdt: HAHA, I knew it, keep up the good work Wink
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 Finally, we can sell the 'old' 'new' brakes that all our pros run :/
  • + 1
 Stop it you guys are getting me out of control ×
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 I wonder if these brakes would be more maneagble if I put my existing guide brake levers to the code calipers? Hmm...
  • + 2
 I may be wrong but I believe that is exactly what SRAM did for the Guide RE brakes. Also I believe select WC athelets were running that setup last year.
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 Brendog is against 29er DH bikes, do you agree?
  • + 1
 obviously
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 Must be liking that Slash if you're still rocking her long after the review!?!
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 Srams rubbish
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 Maybe I should just shell out for a pair of these! @beeboo
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 Do it! These look amazing Big Grin I like the caliper look
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 They look like a Boomarang.
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 Why is the bleeding edge fitting on the wheel size ? Going to be pretty hard to get a seringe there ....

Caliper looks cool, lever looks just like a fat Guide haha
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 The wheel must be removed, pads removed, and bleed block installed before a bleed. Otherwise you can overfill the system! Pretty clever actually.
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 I'd imagine it's to help protect it from getting damaged while riding. And realistically, you should have the wheel off when bleeding brakes to reduce the risk of contaminating the rotor with DOT fluid.
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 The port is on the inside because you should be pulling your wheel and pads to bleed according to sram. the spacer block they give you is the right size without the pads in there.
  • + 0
 @mikekazimer: isn't the bleeding edge thing supposed to be drip free ? I've always removed the pads/wheel to bleed my brakes (and on any brake), but that just seem a bit counter intuitive...

Anyway not different enough from the previous ones to pique my interest Smile
  • + 1
 I think the expectation is that the wheel comes out and you insert a spacer block. Also may be a bit more protected from debris.
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 Codes rule for DH. Saints are great for enduro or trail.
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 Fucking finally
  • + 0
 braking news!
  • + 4
 Someone had to take the flak hey? Wink
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