Transition Announces New Lightweight eMTB... But You'll Have to Wait For It

Jun 14, 2022 at 14:55
by Mike Kazimer  

Just three months after releasing the Repeater, a full-powered eMTB equipped with a Shimano EP8 motor, Transition have announced their next electric offering, the Relay. The Relay takes a different route than the Repeater, placing a higher priority on achieving a lower weight over outright power in order to give it a more natural feel out on the trail.

At the heart of the Relay is Fazua's new Ride 60 motor system, which delivers 60 Nm of torque and has a max power output of 450 W. Those numbers aren't as high as what you'll find on a full-power motor system, where torque values are typically between 80-90 Nm, but those options are also much heavier.

Transition Relay Details
• Carbon and aluminum frame options
• 160 or 170mm of travel
• Fazua Ride 60 motor w/ 60 Nm torque
• 430 Wh battery
• 29" wheels or 29" front / 27.5" rear
• Sizes: XS, S, M, L, XL, XXL
• Price: TBD
• Available Spring 2023
transitionbikes.com
The Fazua Ride 60 allowed Transition to create a bike that's designed to be ridden with or without the battery – they say it could potentially be a one-bike solution for riders who want an eMTB and a regular mountain bike but can't justify the cost of two separate bikes.

Fazua's 'Ring Control' is used to select from one of three modes - River, Breeze, or Rocket.
The LEDs on the top tube indicate how much battery is remaining and what mode is selected.

The final weights of the complete bikes (there will be aluminum and carbon options) haven't been released, but assuming that the higher end versions end up somewhere around 40 pounds removing the battery would drop that to 35 pounds, which isn't an unreasonable weight when compared to many of the non-motorized enduro bikes out there today. Again, that's just an estimate – we'll have to wait for a production version to see how those figures pan out. The Fazua motor itself weighs approximately 4 pounds, but its position around the bottom bracket should hopefully hide that weight a little bit when the bike is ridden without a battery.

The Relay can be set up with either 160mm or 170mm of rear travel, and can run either a dual 29” wheel setup or mixed wheels. The geometry numbers are being kept under wraps for now, but I'd imagine they'll be in the same ballpark as the Patrol and Spire.

It's going to be interesting to follow the development of the Relay, and the other lighter weight eMTBs that will be hitting the market in the coming months. Will the full-power, but heavier, options that currently exist start to fall by the wayside? It's tough to say. In an ideal world (assuming e-bikes exist in your ideal world) there'd be a bike that had all the power and battery range of today's full-power options while somehow weighing less than 40-pounds. That's probably at least a few years off, but in the meantime these mid-power bikes are an intriguing proposition.

Hannah Bergemann with an aluminum prototype.

Just think of how many snacks you can fit inside the frame if you remove the battery.
Like the Patrol and Spire, the Relay has a flip chip to adjust the geometry.






301 Comments

  • 189 9
 This is great - It's nice to see another option to Specialized's 'light weight' ebikes especially with it's design accommodate riding without a battery. With the current market, I can't afford an analog bike, let alone a digital one, and in all fairness, I'm too stubborn to own a digital bike till I damn well need it. But bicycle shaped progress and innovation is neat. Especially by the likes of a 'smaller' player like Transition.
  • 39 3
 Love the merge that Transition has been thinking about. If I could, I'd never ride with electric assist but my riding crews keep switching to ebikes to ride longer and later into the day (I'm in hot as hell Italy)- so will have to jump on the train eventually but it'd be amazing to be able to remove the battery for solo, shuttle, and bike park days
  • 12 0
 What about forestal, I saw one in the flesh last week, amazing bikes let me tell ya
  • 18 85
flag EvoRidge (Jun 15, 2022 at 1:28) (Below Threshold)
 Hey I'll be the one to say it--BOOO to Transition's kinematics. Why was Cascade links ever a thing? Because Tranny's links were never progressive enough for a big majority of riders apparently...for how many years? I stopped looking at their bikes a few seasons ago.
Canfield on the other hand.....future

peace..(get mad)
  • 5 0
 @jespinal: youre absolutely right there are other manufactiuers in this segment (also orbea rise), but the choice is nowhere near as broad as it would be for a full fat ebike. more options is only a good thing for the comsumer
  • 5 3
 Lapierre has the E-Zesty, pretty neat looking bike IMHO.

www.lapierrebikes.com/fr-en/v/light-emtb
  • 25 4
 There's also the Orbea Rise.
  • 22 3
 Orbea lightweight ebikes are very good
  • 17 3
 I want to know if this still utilizes their signature completely optimized carbon kinetics or basically aligned linear leverage systems.
  • 8 2
 There’s also the new Trek Fuel EX E - I’m surprised it’s not featured on the main page here yet. Looks like another lightweight E option.
  • 36 2
 And no cables routed through the headset this time too - nice one, Transition
  • 14 2
 Orbea rise....
  • 13 2
 Check the Orbea Rise dude, both carbon or alloy
  • 5 2
 @usedbikestuff: another new feature is the carbon unified nano technology
  • 13 8
 Just means u need to find another group of friends.
1. normal bike people
2. lite emtb
3. full fat
I know mountain biking is growing there are only so many of us…i don’t see riding friends once they went to Vitamin E
  • 13 2
 @Corinthian: I believe the site that broke the news of the Fuel EX-e jumped an embargo as the page got taken down. I'm sure it'll be released officially soon.

I do believe that these mid-weight ebikes (lets not kid ourselves - they're still not that light) are the future. Personally, I take delivery of an Orbea Rise next week. Looking forward to it!
  • 16 4
 The Orbea Rise is 36 pounds WITH the battery. It also looks the least offending out of all these eBikes.
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  • 12 1
 @dirtdiggler: it's more like 38 and up unless you're running it with a fox 34, gravel tires, and a non piggy back shock. They are fantastic bikes and the only E-Bike I've ridden that ever even got me considering one. The large carbon M10 I rode with upgraded tires that can survive the trails around here was around 18kg.
  • 2 8
flag Mr-Price (Jun 15, 2022 at 7:49) (Below Threshold)
 @Exbow: on paper because that bike is super ugly.
  • 6 1
 @EvoRidge: just because Cascade makes a link for it doesn't mean the stock setup doesn't work for a majority of the people They might be looking at a smaller group that wants a little tweak.. Believe it or not, the majority of people probably wouldn't feel the difference..
  • 2 1
 @O1D4: I see a lot of people upgrading them with burlier parts. Still 38#'s is not too shabby!
  • 5 4
 @Corinthian: Trek Fuel EXE best looking moped yet. pretty cool motor too.
  • 1 3
 @mm732: Are you talking about the 'Rail'? I can't find the Fuel EXE. The Rail looks like a pig.
  • 3 0
 @EvoRidge: so what you're saying is, you stopped looking their bikes just before they reached their current level of kinematic perfection. The cascade link opens up options, but the current line up are plenty progressive.
Canfield bikes are great too, but in a different way that transition.
  • 1 0
 @dirtdiggler: Yeah that's the weight of my non-e enduro bike. Crazy light for an eeb.
  • 2 0
 @dirtdiggler: its actually 40+
  • 4 0
 @roaming50: Your rise will be pretty much the weight of a normal enduro bike, so pretty darn light.
  • 2 1
 @O1D4: fox 36, xx1, carbon wheels/cockpit, xtr brakes, exo casing, light saddle = 16.8Kg for me.
  • 2 0
 @Exbow: i was never a fan of lapierre bikes but for whatever reason his bike always struck a chord for me. Worked for accell group in the usa and I would have grabbed this bike in a heart beat if they brought it to the usa. A bit ahead of its time.
  • 3 0
 @mscofield4: Which version are you talking about? I demoed the top end Rise carbon last year and it weighed just over 36#'s. We weighed it at the shop. That's stock without any upgrades. Sure - once you put some burlier parts on it it will get heavier. But, it's not exactly meant to be a full on Enduro bike either. That said, I am hoping they come out with a Rallon eBike soon.
  • 5 1
 @conoat: 37 Pounds with a Fox 36 is crazy light for an eBike. Orbea is still the leader for weight, looks and price.
  • 7 0
 @dirtdiggler: But can it ride like a real MTB without the battery? TR's claim is more than just weight, they say the motor has no drag, which if true could be a game changer for some
  • 2 0
 @DBone95: on the Fazua system, the battery and motor can come out... I have a customer that regularly rides his Fazua equipped road ebike with the motor off.. Saves the battery for when he needs it.
  • 4 0
 @DBone95: I agree - I was trying to figure out if the motor decouples or not. Transition didn't really offer any additional information about drag when the battery is removed. If there's truly no drag when the battery is removed then that's a game changer for sure.
  • 1 6
flag Baller7756 (Jun 15, 2022 at 9:56) (Below Threshold)
 @dirtdiggler: Dont most Orbea bikes including the Rise have that "bent" V-shaped top tube? I dont think Orbea can compete in the looks department with the likes of Transition and their linier angular designs... plus that raw aluminum is making we want to buy it despite the weight penalty!
  • 3 0
 @dirtdiggler: Check some of the other sites that provide the full press release with more details. This is just a summary of our official PR. A snippet regarding your question - 'While the motor stays in the frame, it is as efficient as a normal drive train with very little added weight once the battery is removed.'

Cheers!
  • 4 0
 @lumpy873: With the new Ride-60 from Fazua, the motor does not come out.
  • 2 0
 @O1D4: i think my aluminium sc nomad is 17kg, i can live with 18Smile
  • 2 0
 @Larss: The motor weighs 4.8lb according to the manufacturer plus another 5 for the battery. I would be very surprised if you dont notice 4.8lb extra on your bike
  • 3 0
 @roaming50: I may have missed that on the Fazua PR.. But, pedaling with the motor off on the bikes I've tested has left me noticing little extra drag..
  • 5 0
 @dirtdiggler: I think I was at 40lbs with the stock tires and the carbon Fox 36 model Rise. Stock tires work in the summer when trails are dry but rest of the year I go to beefier ones. Also went coil and upped travel, so it's heavier. However, it's worth the slight weight penalty (still handles very different from the 54lbs ebike I demoed).
  • 4 2
 @redrook: I have one, love it
  • 3 2
 @Argalario: love mine, made it mullet, more travel
  • 3 2
 @roaming50: i love mine, made it mullet
  • 2 2
 @O1D4: i added travel, mullet, about 42 with good times, bigger shock
  • 4 1
 @dirtdiggler: i have orbea and love it. but future bikes could be lighter with a small motor designed for 60 unlike orbea detuned motor. still great though
  • 3 1
 @dft1: the flipside is, it can be easily UPtuned to make 90nm with a much shorter range. which I would be highly interested in. give me 400Wh and full power if I want in short bursts and let me decide how to use it.
  • 1 0
 @joebmx: Same here, also worked with them for 3 years, been to the HQ in Dijon a few times. They are often overlooked, but they deserve some more recognition.
  • 2 0
 @redrook: I'm expecting between 43 and 44 lbs in freedom units for my Rise H15. Still not bad for the burlier build with the larger battery that supposedly gives super impressive range....
  • 1 0
 @roaming50: Ah yeah that's heavier, but hey it's an eeb so not bad
  • 1 0
 Theres's the BH iLynx trail, found it in their web some months ago. It uses a propietary drive system but i liked the looks of it and the concept + weight. www.bhbikes.com/en_INT/ebikes/e-mtb/trail/ilynx-trail
  • 1 0
 Amazing!I want it!!!
  • 1 0
 I love this bike already. Wheel size options, travel options, rideable without the battery, oh and the downtube doesn't look like a brick!!! This really could be the one bike to do it all for me
  • 1 0
 @dirtdiggler: offroad. Cc had the new exe. They skipped the embargo tho and pulled it
  • 2 2
 @Argalario: I wouldn’t go round advertising orbea, they have terrible warranty procedures and customer service. It’s enough to put me off, and look elsewhere
  • 2 0
 @mm732: Such a bummer. Most of the websites pulled all their information. I was able to see a few closeups and it looked like a very clean looking bike. Hopefully they bring it back for 2023.
  • 1 3
 @riggadon: The downtube still looks pretty large, IMO. Look at some of the video stills from top down/angle. It's not as large as the Repeater but still looks like an eBike from a distance. If they shrunk it down a bit more, like 20-35% it would be nearly perfect. It looks like there is still some space around the battery to shrink it down but difficult to tell. The dead giveaway for 'it's an eBike!' is the pregnant downtube which throws off the proportions. It's still an awesome concept and I love the 'one bike' idea.
  • 3 0
 @dirtdiggler: yeah, the down tube is noticeably an e-bike down tube. But I think it's close enough to a normal looking bike that I could live with it. And if someone is going to judge me for riding an e-bike, they can suck it!!
  • 2 0
 @dirtdiggler: in terms of ebike looks, I think the kenevo SL is the king right now. The fact that this bike crams in quite a bit more power than the Kenevo gives it the edge if you ask me
  • 1 0
 @riggadon: Agreed. The 2022 Kenevo SL turbo does looks sick. It's just crazy expensive.
  • 2 1
 You’re fundamentally unmisunderstanding what ebikes are. You don’t buy one because you “need” it. this is the mindset of someone who’s never ridden a modern full suspension ebike.
  • 6 4
 @Pinemtn: people who don't get ebikes are simply stuck in their ways. They see e-bikes as an attack on their years of hard earned pedaling machismo. I get it, I thought they were kinda dumb too at first. But anyone who thinks ebikes are only for old or lazy people are projecting their insecurities. Such is the sign of changing times. In 10 years I can see e mtbs being half the market share or more as tech develops and production costs go down. It's hilarious that the mtb community lashes out at small, incremental evolutions in mtb, but when something legitimately revolutionary comes along to advance mtbs, they still cry about it. I know most don't mind e mtbs, but it's funny to see how averse people are to change.
  • 5 4
 @riggadon: IDK... sure some of what you are saying is true... Even if you said it in a backhanded, antagonizing way, however I really would like to challenge innovation in the world today. It seems to me that we are plateauing... we are lacking real innovation. What qualifies as innovation these days is just removing wires, or installing batteries on already existing innovations.

So forgive me, if i don't see a battery assisted bike as a "revolutionary". Sure they look fun, they certainly get round the trails (flats and ups) much faster than human powered bikes. But I think the majority of people bike for the challenge it presents, and for the fitness it offers... the fun factor is just icing on the cake. Of course I do know that for some... they only want the icing.
  • 8 5
 Digital, analog?? What the hell?? One is a moped the other, a bicycle.
  • 2 0
 Honestly mate, I felt the same as you until I did a day in the redwoods with one, and I typically enjoy climbing (which at Arapuke is necessary). It’s an absolute game changer - you can get at least twice as many runs done in a day, and probably three times depending on which climbs you choose to repeat. As soon as the lighter weight bikes like this and the Levo SL become more common, I’ll probably go for it. I didn’t really notice any difference coming down trails at all. I seriously recommend trying one if you get a chance.
  • 1 0
 @Corinthian Woah there is??? I’m on a Fuel WX 9.8 right now and have been waiting for them to do this!:
  • 74 1
 that raw silver alloy bike looks gorgeous
  • 4 56
flag EvoRidge (Jun 15, 2022 at 1:29) (Below Threshold)
 Almost thought it was a.....Canfield How popular...aluminum made to look like carbon...errrr wait
  • 4 0
 Agreed. And they did not go with Cable routing through the headset this time. I would get this over the repeater on that fact alone
  • 52 0
 That projected weight is maybe a bit low? Travel wise this seems pretty close to a Spire, so taking that as as starting point:

- Transition Spire carbon 33.5lbs
- A bit extra for added frame complexity and probably burlier rims: 1lb
- Fazua motor: 4lb

So maybe more like 39lbs without the battery, 44lbs with it?
  • 8 0
 100%, my first thought too given the current weight of their bikes
  • 2 0
 That's what I thought too.
Maybe still viable as a "big bike" though, assuming a mix of pedaling and uplifts when not E-ed up.
  • 2 0
 @chakaping: quite possibly - I've not ridden any of the new breed of 38lb super-enduro monsters, but people do generally seem happy riding up and down on bikes in the 35-40lb range now.
  • 2 0
 I agree, I dont see how they can get close to 35lb without the battery but with the motor. It’s not a credible number
  • 2 0
 Yup. Cool concept but will prob still be a couple of lbs heavier than a Norco Range when the battery is removed...Still getting closer to the holy grail though!
  • 4 1
 @Woody25: Paaalease! no one rides their bikes uphill anymore. Around my neck of the woods 97% of the people shuttle to the tops of trails. Its hilarious every time some says "you RODE UP here?". Like it's special or something.
  • 5 0
 @like2pedal: Round my way there is no option but to pedal up. It’s either pedal up or dont ride, take your pick
  • 2 0
 Sweet bike and I'll all for making them lighter, but I can't se anyone removing a battery unless they are forced to do so. My alloy Levo is 53lbs and while it rides amazing, I would welcome the option to shave some weight
  • 2 0
 @CM999: I am imagining that your trails are in gorgeous shape then. Here the trials that are shuttle-able are blown to bits, so many blown corners and the trail is nude from endless skidding. However, if you turn off onto one of the trails that requires you to climb....it is completely different, the tails still have duff on them. It's night and day different.
  • 10 0
 @like2pedal: I'm such a purist, I pedaled to get to these comments.
  • 3 0
 @bikeskibum: I bet you didn't even use the climb switch.
  • 1 0
 i've seen Spire's built to 32lbs so there's maybe 1.5 lbs to take off your estimate if we are talking top spec with carbon bits and air suspension but bikes can vary more than the motor weight in spec choice so the important question would be is 4lbs of motor weight worth adding to your given spec weight to have that option of battery power when you want it, for some that's probably yes, just like some are willing to trade weight for coil plushness or bury grippy tires.
  • 1 0
 @Woody25: Only if you live somewhere where the ups are on roads or buffed climbing trails, and the downs are long. Out here on the east coast my normal loops look like 12-18 mi, 2.5-3k climbing/descending all on singletrack, with no climbs longer than 15 minutes, and no descents longer than 5. Throw in a bunch of technical sections going both directions, and a 40lb bike is basically unrideable. Sure, an ebike makes this stuff easier, but I guess I like the pain and payoff of knowing my legs did all the work. I just can't see anyone in my neck of the woods getting an ebike specifically because they could ride it without the battery. I decided a while ago that I'll get an ebike when I can no longer keep up with my kids.
  • 3 0
 @adamszymkowicz: in the UK we have quite a lot of small bike parks with fire road climbs and shortish 3-5 minute descents. Many of thistle don’t have uplifts, or have uplifts that book up well advance. I’m thinking a bike like this is ideal for that, essentially it’s just self-shuttling.
  • 34 7
 Honestly...

I think they nailed the concept here.

Most mountain bikers I've ever spoken to about ebikes, want an ebike that rides like a normal bike, but with enough assist to bail out the legs on the worst of it. Most i've spoken with don't want a 750w, 55lb bike. I've not decided if I would ever want an ebike. But if I was to get one, something lower powered like this, the RISE, or Levo SL, would be what I'd be looking at.

Also relevant, in Washington State it is apparently a pivitol year for ebike stuff. EMBA has been sending out emails lately for people to attend meetings to discuss what they should be submitting to the DNR/DFW, for if they're advocating for ebikes on non-motorized trails. So will be interesting to see what comes of that.

Currently Class 1 ebikes are illegal on pretty much everything fun here in WA state (other than Darringtons North Mountain). So I wonder if this has anything to do with this bike.
  • 2 0
 I could've sworn that Galbraith in Bellingham allowed ebikes, but it's been a while since I lived out there.
  • 25 0
 @adamszymkowicz: Galbraith does not allow ebikes...but you still see them. Just like every other trail network.
  • 3 0
 @mtbthe603: Transition offers ebike demos out of their factory hq which is right down the road. Even if Transition is telling demo customers they can't ride at Galby, I doubt most people are following the guidelines.
  • 43 13
 @mtbthe603: hahaha, this one gets me, people are so fuc#$ng entitled. But I just got this toy, "no e-bikes" "no motorized" well, um, but, they don't mean ME with MY motorized bike. And up they go.
  • 1 5
flag freeridejerk888 (Jun 15, 2022 at 7:29) (Below Threshold)
 Lmao everything fun? Somone needs to spend less time on Trailforks and Strava…..
  • 22 6
 @Beaconbike: almost every bike trail in bellingham started off as being illegally built, and many still are… so the ebike thing is just another example of land managers being too slow to get with the times. All while parks and rec is spending a quarter million dollars to turn a bike trail into a hike only. Ebikes are bikes. Just go ride and have fun.
  • 22 11
 @Gunder: I'm not sure I agree with you that "ebikes are bikes." One one, your maximum speed is governed exclusively by your fitness, gravity, and trail design. On the other, a motor allows you to reach speeds that wouldn't be achievable without assistance. I had a near head-on collision a few weeks ago with a dude on a ebike blasting up what is traditionally (but not exclusively) a descending trail. Normally if descenders and climbers meet there's plenty of time to slow and move over, but this dude must've been doing 18mph up a a pretty rugged and steep section, which meant I had almost no time to stop or avoid him. Kudos to the guy, he was apologetic, and his fitness probably allowed him to go faster than the average punter, but still, it introduced a danger factor that wouldn't have existed without his bike having a motor.
  • 1 1
 @Gunder: I really don't care at all. I just think it's funny
  • 1 5
flag CM999 (Jun 15, 2022 at 9:10) (Below Threshold)
 Hardly. Specialised and Orbea have being using this concept for a while. The fact is there is no way its going to come in at 35lb with out the battery when a Spire is 33lb and the engine weighs 4.8lb + the battery.

Who is going to want to pedal a 38lb bike around, and that’s with the carbon frame and a decent build. An alloy one will be 40lb without the battery. Good luck pedalling that anywhere
  • 4 0
 @CM999:

Lots of people out there are on 35+lb bikes.

Pretty much any large or larger alloy frames long travel bike is going to be there or above.

I’m on a Banshee Titan in size L. I’ve got a moderately light set of components on it (WAO wheels, Microshift advent X drivetrain, Mezzer pro fork). With DD class tires and tannus inserts it weighs 37.4lbs.

I agree that they are likely going to be over 35lbs on the carbon model, and into the 40lb range on the alloy ones though. Any lighter just doesn’t seem possible, without compromising with some paper thin casing tires or something like that.
  • 2 9
flag owl-X (Jun 15, 2022 at 11:24) (Below Threshold)
 heyo dorks! Boutsta roast Tiger on my Class 1 ebike this afternoon. I welcome a legal challenge (it's not illegal).
  • 1 4
 @ocnlogan: Really? I dont know anyone who has a bike that heavy that doesn’t have a motor in it. That includes enduro bikes with long travel
  • 4 0
 @CM999:

Interesting. All my riding buddies and I have bikes over 35lbs. And reading the forums for other bikes I was interested (Raaw Madonna, Privateer 161, Spire, etc) in seems to show most are 34lbs or more

2019 Commencal Meta AM
2022 Marin Alpine Trail
2018 Kona Process 153.

My old Kona process 153 was 36.4lbs with EXO casing tires on it.

Could be the scale we use is off though.

Either way, the trend of lighter and less powerful ebikes is a good one imo. So glad to see another offering coming into the market.

Also it would be sweet if they offered them as a frame only too.
  • 5 1
 @CM999: Have a 41lbs rise and you can pedal with no assist no problem. Try it before you knock it.
  • 2 0
 @freeridejerk888:

Mostly meant that the big trail systems that the Greater Seattle area of the PNW is known for (Raging River, Tiger Mountain, Tokul, Galbraith, Duthie), ebikes are currently illegal.

@owl-X

Looks illegal to me. Tiger is nowhere to be found on this list.

www.evergreenmtb.org/ebikeaccess

Although I did just learn that apparently they're legal at Chuckanut, and Ollallie now, so I must have missed that announcement.
  • 1 4
 @ocnlogan: Olallie’s been on that list since its inception, I think. Not that that’s law, though.

Oh yeah—conditions were great at Tiger!
  • 2 0
 @ocnlogan: Tiger allows eBikes if you have a ADA sticker on your car, not sure why it doesn't show up on that list.
  • 1 0
 @CM999: 38lb Steel 170mm enduro, the weight doesn't bother me a bit, regularly do pedals that other shuttle
  • 21 8
 NOX cycles out of Germany have been running the 2 in one bike with the Fazua system that you can remove for a few years now with their Helium line. c'mon transition. Don't claim like you guys came up with the greatest idea...
  • 6 0
 different fazua system
  • 7 0
 @Sethimus: True. Lapierre is also having a similar setup in its range, but using a different Fazua drive unit and battery
  • 7 0
 @smartfartbart: Yep Lapierre E-Zesty has been around for quite a while
  • 1 0
 Couldn’t agree more!
  • 3 0
 They didn’t claim they were first if you watch the video
  • 15 4
 This is everything I've been wanting in an ebike; high-enough power to self shuttle up with long enough travel and low enough weight to ride like a normal enduro bike on the way back down. Expect to be stuck behind me even more often now at UK bike parks.

However... the prices of things... bloody hell. When we got my other half's Vitus e-sommett (E7000, deore, Yari) about 4 or 5 years ago it was under £3k. The Kenovo SL is £10k! The Transition Repeater with a similar spec is £7.2k. I know costs have gone up, and Transition/Spec are premium brands, but that really is some price difference.

It's a clever move to make this 'two bikes in one' though, that does work well with my degree in self justification of unreasonable costs.
  • 29 0
 Just chuck the wifes bike up on eBay for 5k like everyone else
  • 2 0
 @browner: Now that is some good thinking.
  • 1 1
 Kenevo SL starts at £6600, not that I’d want one.
  • 2 18
flag EvoRidge (Jun 15, 2022 at 1:33) (Below Threshold)
 pull me a tidy one with yer wife there, mate *winking face emoji* *woody*
  • 2 0
 That's because the e7000 motor is basic, you can still get bikes with it, Martin alpine e1 is 4k.
  • 21 10
 revolutionary tech thats been done by several others about 4 years ago...sigh
baffles me how transition manage to have such a cool image when they are selling expensive cube lookalike bikes.
throw money at the right "influencers" i guess.
  • 2 2
 @bb45her. So true! It’s all who you bro down with.
  • 1 0
 Who cares about image? I sure don’t.
  • 12 1
 I was able to get a Specialized Levo SL to 37.5lbs as an e-bike with, granted I thru everything at it like a weight weenie. Rides so close to my Specialized Stumpjumper Evo, I seldom get the analog bike out for trail rides. Going lightweight for e-bikes is the way to go IMO. Bigger battery, powerful motor is NOT.
  • 10 0
 I would really like to celebrate the video here — so often companies launch new products with a 2minute video of a berm-hero, tele shots through tall grass, and flash the name of the product at the end. As a consumer, this might be entertaining but it’s far from informing and -I submit- not helpful in converting to a sale. This video did an excellent job of balancing inspiring riding video demonstrating the capabilities of the bike while clearly explaining the product and where it fits into the line, moreover industry. So, kudos to the media team who produced this and I hope to throw my leg over a Scout one day. Smile
  • 5 1
 Just built up an alloy scout and it has far exceeded my expectations after just one ride. Feels every bit as capable as the old patrol, yet more playful and jibby.
  • 7 0
 Lapiere did this 5 years ago but the fazua software and motor were plagued with issues. Hopefully these have been ironed out as I think this is a great option for a one bike only.
  • 9 1
 I think Porsche bought Fazua outright. You’d think they’d have the capital and engineering experience to sort out anything on this motor. It’s far from a Taycan.
  • 4 0
 @Bperd: Yes, but not overnight, the Porsche acquisition won't affect products before 2023 at the earliest: need to hire more people, design new products, prototype, test, productionise... 2024 is more realistic...
  • 1 0
 @Mugen: this bike isn't available until 2023. That doesn't mean that other bikes aren't available before them.
These motors are close to, if not already baked. There is nothing other than firmware that they can likely change.
  • 1 1
 @Bperd: have you ever owned a Porsche? Randomly having the dash light up like a Christmas tree is just part of the ownership experience.
  • 9 0
 Thanks for relaying the release
  • 3 0
 I rely on them to relay relay related news
  • 9 1
 AT LAST!... a bike with decent Baguette storage!
  • 4 0
 Talking to some customers who have bought lightweight ebike options like the Levo SL, and most of them are disappointed with the fact they don't have the range of the guys on bikes with bigger batteries... But, the Fazua battery is pretty small and it wouldn't be too crazy to pack a spare...
  • 1 2
 This probably varies by rider weight and fitness. In almost a year of ownership, I've never run my Rise battery down to the 30% when the light comes on. Never bought a display for it because why bother? But I'm light weight and my longest rides are ~ 4 hours. Perfectly happy with the 60nm (rear wheel will start spinning in boost mode) while I see others upping the power with STUnlocker.
  • 2 0
 Rise. I run it down but I ride on the gas the whole time, its intense. Harsh ledgy techy riding. Sometimes off and eco, usually trail and some boost. Have the extender which I use 20% of the time for bigger rides in gas. I love this bike. I will buy another and wish there were more options to choose from. I feel pretty good about the range. When these get to 35 pounds or less. its over for analog bikes.
  • 1 0
 @piotrv: I would love to hear more about their experience. I just worry about voiding the warranty. or I would have done it by now.
  • 1 0
 @playdeep: Yeah I dunno I have no issues with how it came out of the box, the rear wheel spins for me already, I don't think more power would do anything for me (maybe if it came on at lower cadence).
  • 5 1
 If I'm ever getting an e-bike, it's because it has an actual point. If I want a lighter bike, I'll buy a regular bike. If I want electric assist, I want it to be on a bike where it makes sense: one that has lots of travel that I wouldn't normally want to pedal around.

I suppose this is great for people with bad knees, though.
  • 6 2
 Please make it available as a frameset! It's so annoying that only Specialized and Pole make their ebikes available as a frameset only. Let me build up a bike exactly how I want it without having to laboriously pawn a bunch of take-offs.
  • 4 0
 The Orbea rise is a lightweight bike with a normal bike feeling but still an AllMountain bike (140 rear travel and AM geo)
Riding a Sentinel, i would trade it for a Rise due to his less agressive geo. I was thinkg, orbea need a rallon with a small motor/battery like the Rise.
Two weeks later, Orbea lunch an new Ebike, but an hardtail one.. while Transition was working on the Relay, good job !
  • 6 3
 Pros:
No silly headset routing

Cons:
Flip chip for mullet option - looks like they have gone the way they did with the spire - which is unrideablely low with a 27.5 rear wheel.

Cons for me: the motor, so ahould have gone for a EP8 RS like the Rise
  • 1 12
flag EvoRidge (Jun 15, 2022 at 1:36) (Below Threshold)
 did you put in an EC canfield cup (tallest stack height @14.5mm) and max out the fork travel? Because at minimum that's what's needed to compensate that "too low" 27.5 rear wheel
cane creek EC stack = 10mm
Works components EC stack = 14mm
(external cup lower headset cup)

peace
  • 2 1
 @EvoRidge: The problem with that is it slackens the seat angle. The better solution is a flip chip in the seat stays, which can compensate for a much lower BB. You can raise the BB 10-12mm this way. A flip chip on the shock is effectively like using 1 offset bushing, which has minimal effect on BB height.
  • 1 0
 Can you say any more about the Spire in mullet mode? It was on my future bike shortlist because of the possibility of switching between 29er and mullet.
  • 2 0
 @chakaping:
Yes, I tried one out that was mulleted. The bottom bracket was around 325mm if i recall correctly, and it made the reach feel a lot shorter (because you are tilting the bike backwards, so the stack increases and the reach shortens). Over on the mtbr transition forum and facebook groups, when I read up until, people were trying mullet and then quickly going back to 29er
  • 1 0
 The flip chip is not a mullet option. It’s a geo chip. The spire is not designed to be run mullet
  • 1 0
 @Brownjosh4:
Yea exactly! And the relay is the same, although they are marketing it as a 29/mullet
  • 3 0
 no one has reviewed this new fauza system so we dont know anything about it. personally i dont see going with a light ebike. its a marginal weight savings and i would rather just have a nice bosch 750 system where you can do a 3 hour ride in all turbo mode
  • 4 1
 Having been an early adopter of e-bikes and a recent adopter of the lightweight E-bike I'm convinced that this is the way to go.
It takes the sting out of those really big, hot or tired leg days but still keeps you feeling that you've done something without making your local trail network feel too "small"

While I'd love to be able to easily remove the batt from my KSL I honestly don't really feel or even mind the weight. It feels way more stable than my regular enduro bike through chunk and still brakes pretty darn well which is something I struggle with on a full size E.
  • 2 0
 Great. I understand that this bike configuration or simply frame will change over time? In a year, other technologies and needs may arise. Given the delays in Transition deliveries, the bikes will be field tested late in fall or in 2024?
  • 6 2
 Make an "E" DH bike FFS.... just enough charge for 30-45min assisted shuttling capacity with a battery bank in the pit/car/trailhead for quick swaps. Yeeeesh!
  • 4 0
 Headline: Transition, like every other company, is working on a new model.

In related news, I’m working on a new e-bike…but you’re gonna have to wait for it.
  • 8 3
 heavy for a lightweight ebike, tiny battery and low power motor. If you are going to get an ebike get a full fat one.
  • 1 0
 absolutely agree
  • 9 3
 And there's my next bike
  • 5 0
 Seems like this Transition is on a delay.
  • 3 0
 Reallay?
  • 2 0
 It'll be available when my social security kicks in. Perfect!
  • 2 0
 Could you clarify how much travel it has? In details section you said 160 or 170 and then 140, with 140 or 150 fork and then again later in article 160 or 170 rear travel, really, really confusing.....
  • 2 0
 Ok, you corrected it, thanks
  • 2 1
 Best one-bike solution -> (Small) boost during the week, then party on the weekend..! Also, being someone who barely scratched together €4000 for a "regular" bike, I don't have another €5000 spare for an (occasionally ridden) eBike
  • 2 1
 Why not full party all the time? Nonstop gonzo full power Eeb.
  • 4 0
 Thank goodness they went back to regular cable routing. They must've heard about the backlash with the Repeater.
  • 1 0
 I see a lot of commenters talking about riding this bike without the battery....
Does this system allow the motor to be disconnected for forward pedaling?
You would not want to pedal an EP8 without a battery, there's a TON of drag caused by the motor, probably 40W or so.
  • 2 1
 @slcengineer - Check some of the other sites that provide the full press release with more details. This is just a summary of our official PR. A snippet regarding your question - 'While the motor stays in the frame, it is as efficient as a normal drive train with very little added weight once the battery is removed.'

Cheers!
  • 1 1
 @Larss: The battery adds 5lbs according to the manufacture. Thats a lot of extra weight
  • 4 0
 Are you sure there is 40W of drag? On my Rise, I don't notice any drag pedaling the EP8 (RS version) with it off. If I lift the bike up, spin up the wheel at high speed, and spin the crank slower, it keeps spinning on its own for a bit, and the resistance is so little, the difference is almost unnoticeable from my non-e bike...
  • 2 0
 @beholdtheflesh: same here, don't notice any difference
  • 3 0
 @beholdtheflesh: I'm sure that 40w measurement was come to scientifically and not just pulled out of thin air
  • 1 0
 Gotta say and may be it s just me, but manufacturers like transition seem to be missing out on this light weight Ebike set ups by offering a shorter 130/140mm set up trail bike for the less aggressive or just plain everyday riders.
The big rigs are fine but do suck up a lot of energy. Even the Levi I bought I’d still say is over the top and I could easily loos 20mm of both ends travel wise and find it a great bike.
  • 1 0
 Waiting for it to be able to drop the motor too.. I do want a bike that can truly be an "analog" bike for days I don't want to feel like I'm cheating. For longer ride days, I can have the option of putting the ebike parts in.
  • 2 0
 I don't think its really lightweight. In that case I'd rather go for the Transalpes E1

www.transalpes.ch/produkt/transalpes-e1-enduro
(Sorry, German page only)
  • 1 0
 Elektroantriebe überall dort im Einsatz sind, wo Ingenieure keine Kompromisse eingehen - wie bei der letzten NASA-Mission auf den Mars.
  • 3 2
 The last caption should have said: again transition have ignored comments and have not designed a drainage hole into the lower shock puddle… oh and flip chip can be seen too.
  • 4 1
 If you do the motor and battery delete it'll make it lighter and more affordable
  • 3 1
 Love it when a brand’s fear of irrelevancy has them announcing things 7 months (at least) before production/availability….
  • 4 0
 It's a sound marketing technique to be fair, might well stop people ordering a Spesh or Orbea in the meantime.
  • 10 1
 Marketing 101.
1) Pre-release to build excitement and take deposits.
2) Fund development on those deposits.
3) Then build 10% less than the initial demand to create artificial "shortage" and image of exclusivity and high demand.
4) That shortage has other punters then put down deposits for bikes they'll wait 6+ months for...
5) Announce the next bike (coming soon) before the the last has been even delivered.
  • 3 0
 @roaming50: Lmao alarmingly accurate
  • 1 0
 @roaming50: Couldn't have said it better myself.
  • 2 0
 I wonder how much drag there is riding it without the battery?? This is the first bike designed to be used as a pedal bike and an eBike.
  • 4 0
 Good question. Very limited experience with E-bikes. But, when I had a rental that had the digital system error out, it was horrendous. Felt like I was dragging a tire behind me. Not attributable to the extra weight.
  • 1 0
 @keen515: I'm wondering why they sort of glossed over this feature. To me, having a bike work well as a pedal bike (For lift riding or short loops) that also works as an eBike is a BIG deal! They mention nothing about designing it differently so it has less drag than other eBikes with the motor disengaged. Unless I missed something, I am going to assume this pedals no different than any other eBike with it's battery removed or turned off.
  • 1 0
 "The Fazua Ride 60 allowed Transition to create a bike that's designed to be ridden with or without the battery – they say it could potentially be a one-bike solution for riders who want an eMTB and a regular mountain bike but can't justify the cost of two separate bikes."

Hmm...still no mention of what makes the Fazua different design wise to remove or disengage the drag out of the motor. It just sounds like any other eBike with it's battery removed.
  • 2 0
 I think Lapierre had that same motor and I thought previous reviews said it would disengage. I did quick search but couldn’t find it so it could be my imagination too
  • 1 0
 @mfoga: Very cool! They should have spent more time talking about this point in their video.
  • 2 1
 @dirtdiggler: Check some of the other sites that provide the full press release with more details. This is just a summary of our official PR. A snippet regarding your question - 'While the motor stays in the frame, it is as efficient as a normal drive train with very little added weight once the battery is removed.'

Cheers!
  • 1 0
 @dirtdiggler: they have a couple years still lol
  • 2 0
 Does it count as ebike when on trails that ban ebikes? Who could possibly enforce whether or not ebikes have batteries in them or not?
  • 1 0
 @TransitionBikeCompany TAKE MY MONEY! (if I get it delivered this year ;-) Otherwise I got to watch the market for what Fazua60 bike comes out in the next couple of month .... )
  • 1 0
 With this release, it tells me Transition could've added storage to all their frames but chose not to... I love my sentinel but in frame storage would make it that much better.
  • 4 2
 This is nothing but a gateway ebike into real ebiking for those "purist" who just don't know they want a proper ebike. This is the CBD of ebikes
  • 1 1
 I'm not sure 54lbs ebikes make sense for smaller riders...
  • 1 1
 @piotrv: depends on their skill level, attitude and ability. I ride regularly with some girls who are like 5'2" and f*cking rip on 50lbs ebikes so not sure what to tell you there. Only time it becomes a issue is if there is a crappy hike a bike or have to pick up the bike over tall logs/etc.
  • 1 0
 @SomethingBikes: I'm sure someone that's a great rider won't mind. But most of the riders out there aren't so great and they buy bikes too. Getting a 54lbs ebike on a roof rack is tough for me, can't be easier for even smaller people.

I don't see it as a gateway bike. Folks have this tendency to think that a product which doesn't meet their needs is bad.
  • 1 0
 Hmmmm. Take the battery out and it’s a lot lighter. Ok, that’s a given. Any ebike company can claim that. How much drag would there be without the battery though? Quite a bit. Am I missing something here?
  • 1 1
 @oldnw: Check some of the other sites that provide the full press release with more details. This is just a summary of our official PR. A snippet regarding your question - 'While the motor stays in the frame, it is as efficient as a normal drive train with very little added weight once the battery is removed.'

Cheers!
  • 1 0
 The Fazua motor is claimed to have minimal drag, which is what makes the two-in-one bike concept possible.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: It’s also claimed to weigh the best part of 5lb without the battery which is a lot of extra weight to lug up and down a hill
  • 5 0
 @CM999, well, that's why bikes without motors exist - if someone was planning on buying this only to ride it without the battery that'd be pretty silly.
  • 1 0
 As a person with an shimano ebike motor in the shop being replaced for a known issue under warranty, how reliable are these fauza motors? I just bought a spire for my son. This bike has my interest peaked.
  • 1 0
 good stuff. i have orbea rise and love it, handles great. i still doubt many people want to pedal 35 pounder though much, but without battery, would be a good park bike still.
  • 1 0
 Handful of shots riding the ebike up trails that are most certainly downhill only. I get it from a marketing/visual standpoint, but hopefully folks don't get inspired to cruise up SST like that
  • 1 0
 A more normal bike weight ebike. I can relate, which is why the 1700w converted hard tail mtn bike commuter I built weighing 37lb has the batt in my backpack. Feels nimble at speed.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer there are two different sets of travel numbers in the details panel. Looks like "140mm rear travel, 140 or 150mm fork" just needs deleting out?
  • 1 0
 Eh?
  • 1 0
 @NZRalphy: It's fixed now
  • 3 0
 Pretty balanced looking Porsche!!
  • 3 0
 F, just heard my favorite band on a car commercial
  • 2 0
 Love how simple the motor setup is. No stupid display to clutter the bars an get lost is a big plus.
  • 1 0
 Mountain bikers eBike WTF!
If you are riding a lower or high powered eMTB, you are a eBiker, ride it, have fun and be proudSmile
  • 1 0
 This would be great to be honest.. it means you could fly with it to a bike park somewhere and not have to worry about a second long travel bike.
  • 1 0
 still behind....orbea rise is still the best ebike on the market, very capable impressive i would say! e rallon is coming soon tho .......
  • 1 0
 Nice to see that this ebike with the battery is still lighter then my “normal” riding bike. My turner rail I think is running at 38lbs
  • 2 0
 or you could just get one to be ridden without - cause it has none..
  • 3 2
 The real question is: does it have headset cable routing or not? Please say no...
  • 1 0
 Why not just check the pics? Wink
  • 3 0
 Looks like it has regular internal cable routing not that infernal through the headset race abortion which in the UK is just a ridiculous proposition. This could be my first foray into eebs, looks ideal!
  • 1 0
 Both versions do not have this routing. The cables are in the head tube.
  • 10 12
 We could have dh rated, solid ebikes with 200mm of travel and a nice big battery for multiple self shuttles with full assist on the uphills requiring minimal pedaling effort on your part, that can stand up to abuse and not break when you send them off a drop

Instead we have these pointless things that nobody is going to ride without a battery in the first place, because even a 35 lb bike is something that you don't exactly "throw around"
  • 2 0
 "We could have dh rated, solid ebikes with 200mm of travel and a nice big battery for multiple self shuttles"

Haibike, Husqvarna, Fantic, and possibly some others that were outside the first 5 results on google make bikes like that.

I haven't heard of any of the traditional big name companies making anything in that category, but give it a few years.
  • 12 0
 @n734535: Norco Range VLT, I have one, 180 front, 178mm rear with a little spacer removal up back. 63 deg head angle, 1340mm wheelbase on my XL. I've come from a DH bike background and this thing rides exactly the same, except I just ride back up for another lap instead of having to shuttle/push.

On more tame trails, or adventure rides it's a bit overkill, but I genuinely love the bike. Still got a Hardtail for when I want to give the lungs/legs a real beatdown, but the emtb does give you a good workout too.
  • 8 0
 The quick test for me is "can you bunny hop it like a normal bike?". If you can, it can be ridden in tech stuff and boosted off jumps like a normal bike, if not it's a different class of bike because what you can do with it is now different.

I had a quick spin on a Rise and I could bunny hop, nose-pivot etc. that fine, but our full-fat e-sommett is way too heavy to do that regularly on a ride (for me anyway).

If the goal is high speed bikepark laps at Whistler then sure, the lightweight bikes are pointless. But if you want to head into the woods and do steep tech stuff (up and down) and have it still feel like riding an unpowered bike, then these lightweight options are close enough to a unpowered bike in my limited experience.
  • 5 0
 @twohumanpower I think your wrong there. This is the exact type of ebike that people want. It will be this type that come to dominate the market. You are thinking two narrow minded. Most riders ride trails and ones without mountains at that. They dont want a 25 mph trail destroyer that weighs 50+lbs and they cant lift onto their Thule roof rack.
Every rider I ever spoke to about ebikes says too big too heavy. They want a ‘normal’ bike with a bit of help. This is that segment.
  • 1 0
 Isn’t that the regular Specialized Turbo Kenevo? $6000 for the base model with a Z1, $9000 for the Expert model with a dual crown Boxxer. Thing weighs 55 pounds too, plenty solid
  • 1 0
 @Woody25: I rode a Rise at Whistler Smile Can't imagine lifting a full size ebike onto the lift all day long.
  • 1 0
 Okay, that could be a way to sell e-bikes to people who are not really sure they wants one over a regular bike
  • 1 0
 Great concept for adaptive bikes and people who truly need an e-bike. I'd like to see some demo videos that feature the intended users, not kids and fit and able adults.
  • 2 0
 Where's my NEW carbon Smuggler Smile
  • 2 1
 It’s called the spur
  • 2 0
 I've been riding your Smuggler v2 prototype for 6 months now. It's just a Spur with a 130mm Helm MKII Air up front and a CC DB Air IL in the rear, tuned for more progression with lots of HSC. Trust me, you won't want to ride anything else.
  • 2 0
 The price will probably force me to use some of our equity.
  • 2 0
 2023……lol…Trying to capitalize on pre sales maybe
  • 2 0
 Preempting launch of new Specialized Levo SL?
  • 1 0
 The first bike where you can bring a footlong in your downtube. They knew what they were doing
  • 1 0
 My goal is to come up with a conspiracy theory about e-bikes that would make Mike Levy proud.
  • 1 0
 WTF?

Sizes: XS, M, L, XL, XXL

... hopefully a typo and they don't skip over a size Small.
  • 1 0
 We need out geneticist to develop strait bananas for the battery area storage.
  • 1 0
 I like this bike. It has better clearance than any e-mtb available on the market these days and looks like regular bike.
  • 2 0
 I miss the all fun product release videos Transition once did.
  • 4 7
 At first I thought: Shit, another light ebike in carbon schmarbon only, eff that. But transition being transition I am really excited, that they will offer a metal option. The only other aluminium light ebike would be the levo sl, with slightly outdated geo. Orbea does not count really, I think they have done a shit job with the Rise H, battery way too big, too heavy for a light ebike. So the relay could be my next transition after a 10 year break with the brand. First question already - can you bump up rear travel via stroke modification ;-)?
  • 9 1
 So you want the extra weight of aluminium but then save weight on the battery? That makes zero sense. 2 of my mates have just got rise hydros, and another 2 have the wild fs full power orbea ebike, and the rise is a massive chunk lighter with similar range.
  • 2 1
 It’s like they’ve been monitoring my dreams.
Need this.
  • 2 2
 What do Transition knows about lightweightness? All their bikes have always been boat anchors.
  • 6 0
 I mean I wouldn't call a 34lb dh bike a boat anchor but each to their own
  • 1 0
 @mick06: A boat anchor is the best way around a DH course, that is all ;-)
  • 1 1
 The old tr was meh and broke verily easily. All the new bikes weigh more than a dump truck @mick06:
  • 1 0
 @freeridejerk888: Just looking at the spire, frame weight is pretty comparable to similar frames from sc and rm. I dont see much showing up for tr11 frame failures either.
  • 1 0
 good to see they've ditched the cables through the headset
  • 1 0
 Sign me up- I’d sell my Turbo Levo yesterday to get one of these.
  • 1 0
 Wheres the new dh bike. Or stock if bikes people actually want?
  • 2 0
 They’ve been pretty good with stock you just have to go into a dealer. Just hard to get anything carbon from them like everybody else
  • 1 0
 So this is an electro-acoustic of the bike world?
  • 1 0
 Mmm, Clozee. Good choice.
  • 1 0
 Hannah Bergmann surely doesn't need an e-bike with that last name! Wink
  • 1 0
 No stupid headset cable routing.
  • 1 1
 Lightweight eMTB's are cool I guess if you live somewhere like Texas or Florida . Nothing beats a full powered eMTB.
  • 1 0
 The Speeer?
  • 1 1
 THE FUTURE, E BIKES -Bob Allen, mojo wheels circa 2015
  • 9 9
 i saw i saw a motorcycle.
  • 1 0
 Sleeper
  • 1 1
 So what do you do with the frame when the motor eventually fails?
  • 2 0
 Buy another frame? Like a non-electric bike?
  • 1 1
 looks good!
  • 1 3
 I think every ebike can be ridden without a battery. But you`d have to re-tune the suspension.
  • 2 4
 Transition you've just done the impossible and made me want to make the transition to E bike with this.
  • 4 5
 Really? Please explain why. I get the idea behind the marketing, "one bike to do it all" etc. But do you really think that the execution is going to work? The suspension is going to have to be tuned specifically to accommodate the weight of the motor and the increased torque that pedaling under power will create. At best I can see a bike that works OK in either setting, but not great in either. I guess it might work as an ebike/shuttle bike, but I can't see it working out as a bike you'd want to pedal without the battery. Also, once anyone goes ebike, do they ever really want to ride non-motorized unless there's a chairlift or a shuttle winching them to the top?
  • 5 1
 @adamszymkowicz: nah, you don’t tune a bike for the torque of the motor nor do you adjust your bike for 5 lb weight swings. You adjust your suspension when you don’t bring a backpack? BS
  • 2 0
 @adamszymkowicz: I don't think plus or minus 2kg of battery would really require you to change much with the suspension setup, maybe a click of compression damping and a couple of psi in the shock if you're fussy.

I actually think it looks like a pretty decent bike - I do agree that very few people would ever actually bother to take the battery out and ride it that way but I just see that as a weird marketing thing, still looks like a decent bike.
  • 3 0
 @n734535: Riding without the battery is more pertinent for the NA market. A lot of trail systems still do not allow ebikes (powered) but would allow you to ride them powered off. By removing the battery, you can justify owning one bike that is an ebike (if you can't afford two), that is still rideable for those systems that do not allow them by removing the battery. It is also easier to to prove to a ranger that you are not using motor assist when there is no battery.
  • 1 0
 @roaming50: Fair enough, thanks for the info
  • 1 0
 @adamszymkowicz: This would let me ride it analog during the week and work on upping fitness and skills. Then slap the motor in for the group rides where I'm always half the speed of most of the group.
  • 1 1
 want
  • 1 2
 and once again...haters are going to hate
  • 5 6
 I can wait forever, don’t want it, pi** off Eebs.
  • 1 1
 Amazing.I want it!!
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