We Are One Announces Arrival 170, Updated Arrival 152
We first saw We Are One's new Arrival 170 at Sea Otter earlier this year, and the made-in-Canada machine has now officially been added to the lineup. The bike, which has already put down some solid results on the EWS circuit, uses the same carbon frame as the Arrival 152 with different links and a longer stroke shock to increase the rear travel to 170mm. The geometry is different than the 152, but not by much – the head angle is .3-degrees slacker, and the reach is 3mm shorter due to the longer fork.
The Arrival 152 and its 152mm or rear travel isn't going anywhere, and has received an updated upper link for 2023 that uses a carbon fiber bridge between the two CNC'd aluminum halves, a change that saves 50 grams. The lower link has also been modified slightly to take full advantage of We Are One's machining capabilities.
According to We Are One, 99% of the materials used to construct the Arrival frame come from within a 500 mile radius of their headquarters in Kamloops, BC. The missing 1% is due to the use of titanium fasteners. All of the frames are covered by a lifetime warranty against manufacturing defects. In additon, We Are One has the ability to repair damaged frames in house, increasing the bike's overall lifespan.
Build Spec for 170 Arrivals
SP1 - 170
Color Name - Avocado
Fork - RockShox ZEB Ultimate, 170mm Charger RC 2.1, DebonAir, 44mm Offset
Shock - RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil, RC2T, Hydraulic Bottom Out Control, 205x65,
Wheels - We Are One Convergence Wheels, I9 Hydra Hubs
Headset - Cane Creek 110 Sealed Headset ZS44/ZS56
Rear Derailleur - SRAM AXS X01 Rear Derailleur
Shifter - SRAM AXS Bluetooth Rocker Controls
Cranks - SRAM X01 EAGLE DUB Carbon Cranks, 170mm
Chainring - SRAM EAGLE 32T Narrow-wide Chainring
Brakes - SRAM Code RSC, 4 Piston Brakes
Rotors - SRAM HS2 Rotors, 200mm Front and 180mm Rear
Cassette - SRAM X01 Eagle 10t-52t Cassette
Handlebar/Stem - We Are One Da Package, 45mm Stem, 27.5mm Rise Bar
Seat Post - SRAM AXS Reverb Dropper, 31.6mm
Bottom Bracket - SRAM DUB BSA 73 Threaded BB
Chain - SRAM X01 Eagle 12spd Chain
Grips - SDG/ODI Hansolo Lock-on Grips
Saddle - SDG Bel-Air V3 Saddle
Front Tire - Maxxis Assegai 29"x2.5" 3C MaxxTerra, EXO+, TR,
Rear Tire - Maxxis Minion DHR II 29"x2.4", 3C MaxxTerra, EXO+, TR
Extras - Stan's Sealant
*specs subject to change without notice
$11,899 CAD for the SP1
$9,525 USD for the SP1
SP2 - 170
Color Name - Toast
Fork - RockShox ZEB Ultimate, 170mm Charger RC 2.1, DebonAir, 44mm Offset
Shock - RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil, RC2T, Hydraulic Bottom Out Control, 205x65,
Wheels - We Are One Revolution Wheels, I9 1/1 Hubs
Headset - Cane Creek 110 Sealed Headset ZS44/ZS56
Rear Derailleur - SRAM GX AXS Rear Derailleur
Shifter - SRAM GX AXS Controller
Cranks - SRAM GX Eagle Dub Carbon Cranks, 170mm
Chainring - SRAM Eagle 32T Narrow-wide Chainring
Brakes - SRAM Code R, 4 Piston Brakes
Rotors - SRAM Centerline Rotors, 200mm Front and 180mm Rear
Cassette - SRAM GX Eagle 10t-52t Cassette
Handlebar/Stem - We Are One Da Package, 45mm Stem, 27.5mm Rise Bar
Seat Post - SDG Tellis Dropper Post 31.6mm
Bottom Bracket - SRAM DUB BSA 73 threaded BB
Chain - SRAM GX Eagle 12spd Chain
Grips - SDG/ODI Hansolo Lock-on Grips
Saddle - SDG Bel-Air V3 Saddle
Front Tire - Vittoria Mazza 29"x2.6" 2ply Tubeless
Rear Tire - Vittoria Mazza 29"x2.4" 2ply Tubeless
Extras - Stan's Sealant
*specs subject to change without notice
$9,599 CAD for the SP2
$7,675 USD for the SP2
Build Spec for the 152 Arrivals
SP1 - 152
Color Name: Avocado
RockShox Lyrik Ultimate, 160mm Charger 3 RC2 W/ButterCups, 44mm Offset
RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate, 185x55, RC2T Hydraulic Bottom Out
Wheels - We Are One Convergence Wheels, I9 Hydra Hubs
Headset - Cane Creek 110 Sealed Headset ZS44/ZS56
Rear Derailleur - SRAM AXS X01 Rear Derailleur
Shifter - SRAM AXS Bluetooth Rocker Controls
Cranks - SRAM X01 EAGLE DUB Carbon Cranks, 170mm
Chainring - SRAM EAGLE 32T Narrow-wide Chainring
Brakes - SRAM Code RSC, 4 Piston Brakes
Rotors - SRAM HS2 Rotors, 200mm Front and 180mm Rear
Cassette - SRAM X01 Eagle 10t-52t Cassette
Handlebar/Stem - We Are One Da Package, 45mm Stem, 27.5mm Rise Bar
Seat Post - SRAM AXS Reverb Dropper, 31.6mm
Bottom Bracket - SRAM DUB BSA 73 Threaded BB
Chain - SRAM X01 Eagle 12spd Chain
Grips - SDG/ODI Hansolo Lock-on Grips
Saddle - SDG Bel-Air V3 Saddle
Front Tire - Maxxis Assegai 29"x2.5" 3C MaxxTerra, EXO+, TR,
Rear Tire - Maxxis Minion DHR II 29"x2.4", 3C MaxxTerra, EXO+, TR
Extras - Stan's Sealant
*specs subject to change without notice
$11,499 CAD for the SP1
$9,199 USD for the SP1
SP2 - 152
Colour Name: Toast
RockShox Lyrik Select+, 160mm Charger 3 RC2, 44mm Offset
RockShox Super Deluxe Select+, 185x55, RT Hydraulic Bottom Out
Wheels - We Are One Revolution Wheels, I9 1/1 Hubs
Headset - Cane Creek 110 Sealed Headset ZS44/ZS56
Rear Derailleur - SRAM GX AXS Rear Derailleur
Shifter - SRAM GX AXS Controller
Cranks - SRAM GX Eagle Dub Carbon Cranks, 170mm
Chainring - SRAM Eagle 32T Narrow-wide Chainring
Brakes - SRAM Code R, 4 Piston Brakes
Rotors - SRAM Centerline Rotors, 200mm Front and 180mm Rear
Cassette - SRAM GX Eagle 10t-52t Cassette
Handlebar/Stem - We Are One Da Package, 45mm Stem, 27.5mm Rise Bar
Seat Post - SDG Tellis Dropper Post 31.6mm
Bottom Bracket - SRAM DUB BSA 73 threaded BB
Chain - SRAM GX Eagle 12spd Chain
Grips - SDG/ODI Hansolo Lock-on Grips
Saddle - SDG Bel-Air V3 Saddle
Front Tire - Vittoria Mazza 29"x2.6" 2ply Tubeless
Rear Tire - Vittoria Mazza 29"x2.4" 2ply Tubeless
Extras - Stan's Sealant
*specs subject to change without notice
$9,299 CAD for the SP2
$7,399 USD for the SP2
More information: weareonecomposites.com
Author Info:
Member since Feb 1, 2009
Must Read This Week
The Megatower GX AXS build is $8499 USD and has a Select+ (rather than Ultimate) Super Deluxe shock and aluminum rims rather than carbon. Now everyone knows that SC's pricing has gone crazy, but it's impressive that a much more boutique brand is hitting such a decent price point.
Edit: Another comparison: Norco's Range C2 is $7300 without AXS or carbon wheels.
The 170 SP1 build priced at 11899$CAD would be priced at +-16K$ over at Specialized or Trek.
Yes, impressive that they're doing it while providing Canadians a living wage. Those SC stickers on the Chinese frames don't come cheap.
Also, 765LTs can run 9s in the quarter mile, well above pretty much everything else in the price bracket (ignoring the Plaid, because it’s not in the same segment). So, you take a reliability hit for having a significantly higher-performing vehicle.
Yes, if you have time to waste you can buy a complete bike and sell parts to save money instead of paying for the frame alone. The same could be said for most manufacturers though.
I'm not a super hardcore rider but enough to severely dent (spill sealant) decent alloy rims frequently. I think I have reasonable expectations of my equipment. Weigh about 190, run a Tannus in the rear on my big bike, 21psi, dozen park days in a season. I haven't been able to hurt Unions. This is mostly in the Northeast and the terrain isn't smooth. I was happy enough to buy/build a pair of Factions for my short travel bike.
You should do what your experience tells you works best for you, but I don't think my settings are too far outside the norm. Quinney was running 20ish during the recent tire insert test. Richie Rude I think 26psi but he's a bit heavier and (mostly) a lot faster than me.
A Hightower frame is close in price to the 152……
However, I have no idea what "Convergence Wheel Set" refers to. Presumably a new wheelset that hasn't been released yet?
The same applies here; you can pick up something like a Norco Sight A3, which will do pretty much the same thing, for less than half of a WR1 Arrival. For those who want and can afford a locally built and sourced carbon bike with VERY limited production numbers from a small company, then this is a steal of a build at the price point it comes in at.
@txcx166 to each their own. Almost every carbon frame these days is painted over. It's nice that they show some carbon weave still, while also having a unique painted finish. I really like what Santa Cruz did with the Oxblood Nomad CC (tinted clearcloat over raw carbon). Best of both worlds in my opinion.
For what it's worth, the most expensive spur build (X01) is exactly the same price as the cheapest arrival build.
I'll fix my previous comment:
"small manufacturers" doesn't justify to pay more. Better quality yes. "small manufacturers" and "better quality" are not necessary linked.
With same price and same quality, I'll choose the smaller manufacturer most of the time.
Sent to them and they fixed that, a chip in the drive side seatstay and repainted the bike for a couple hundred bucks.
The only way carbon is more sustainable is if it’s repaired. Giant and Specialized will usually claim damage isn’t a defect
If it’s stress cracks (even if it is) and if they warranty the frame-the old one has to be destroyed.
Wish companies would put their money where their mouth is on sustainable practices and do carbon repairs in-house if appropriate.
Props for these guys doing so.
Which, whatever. I got the bike at half cost since at the time a friend owned a bike shop and got me an $8000+ E29 for $4500. I didn't care about the brand at that point.
I'm a giant nerd with a big spreadsheet of bikes I have been interested in, in both size L, and XL (I'm between sizes). A quick check, and thats lower than all 36 other models I've got listed in size XL. And many by a lot. Just a heads up to any other taller riders out there
Some other random examples (all in XL to be clear):
WAO Arrival 170mm: 627mm
Kona Process X: 635mm
Transition Spire: 637mm
Specialized Enduro 638mm
Forbidden Dreadnaught: 639mm
Privateer 161: 652mm
Santa Cruz MegaTower: 656mm
Propain Spindrift: 660mm
Raaw Madonna V2: 670mm
Heh, that is part of the process.
My spreadsheet came about due to covid. Back when it was impossible to find a bike to sit on, let alone demo. So it hasn't been perfect, but over time, its actually proven quite useful.
I even calculate the fit based on handlebar rise/sweep, stem length, stem spacers. And that info, plus experience on actual physical bikes, as really helped me figure out what fits me best. Or at least get me close a lot faster.
@jeremy3220:
Thats what I was thinking. That BB drop should be accounted for, as its defined as from the center of the BB already.
I think most brands do change stack height by frame size (WAO is doing it too). Some just seem to do very small increments, while others do more.
I wasn't really trying to call it out as good or bad either. Just, personally I've found I'm sensitive to stack height (long legs, short torso), and so was calling it out to others.
Bars with 40mm or more of rise might help, but there are way fewer high-rise choices with 35mm diameter bars/stems.
Nothing's perfect. Santa Cruz seems to get it right though.
But personally, I would not think twice about adding 40-50mm of height below the stem on an alloy steerer to get desired fit. As long as it wasn't unfashionably high
In my experience as a mechanic, I've never seen/heard of a metal steerer failing on a rider under the stem or above the headset, either from fatigue or a crash. And if I was worried I'd inspect it once and awhile.
Scariest steerer issue I've seen is a bike mounted with a threadless stem on top of a dual-crown fork cut for direct mount stem...yikes.
Figure I saved the rider a huge dental bill, or worse.
Good to know that you've never seen any failures with a normal steerer tube. I'd wondered about that 30mm limit before.
That said, every 10mm of spacers reduces reach by about 4mm. So 50mm of spacers would be a ~20mm or so reduction in reach.
Which means that XL Arrival at the same stack height as some of the other XL bikes I listed, you're down to 477mm of "effective" reach.
I'd like to hear from them why they decided to with such low/short headtubes... there maybe a good reason behind it?
I kind of did exactly that actually.
I bought a Banshee Titan sight unseen, based solely on the geo chart and spreadsheet sizing data. Would have preferred some way to demo one, But it’s almost impossible to find a place that demos Banshees.
I’ve been riding it for 9 months now, and I’m happy as a clam.
But: What you're describing isn't "reach". Reach isn't affected by stem lenght, handlebar rise, amount of spacers or anything else you do to your cockpit, as it's the horizontal measurement between the centerpoints of the bb and the top of the headtube.
I know it's counterintuitive, but, it's the length of the front triangle, relative to the way the bike sits on the ground, not the actual distance you have to reach across to get to your handlebars.
It's just that the term "reach" is fairly well defined within the bike industry as a means for sizing bikes. And thus it's needlessly confusing that he says "reach" when actually meaning something different.
I'm gonna be stuck on my HDR forever.
Then I'm def screwed. Bike prices are rising at rates like housing.
An argument can be made for bike price increases, but this seems like a weird article to be making that argument.
Trek have scored all 2023 RS suspensions on Fuel EX & Slash models while Norco is stuck with 2022 stuff on their 2023 Sight/Optic line up.
I'll be waiting for for some egg.
don't f*cking @ me. that build would be 11k from anyone else. Go buy a Haibike if it's too much money
Did I capture the sarcasm well enough?
And what's with the BB drop on the shorter-travel frame? 38mm? That's ridiculously low to the ground for a bike with 152mm of travel.
Anyway you could route the brake and shifter cables through the top tube then have them exit the centre rear of the bike and route along the top of the chainstays? Another option may be to route higher in the down tube and exit near the rear shock to route into the bottom of the chainstays.
I don't know but as much as I want to support WR1 the bundle of cables at the most exposed part of a bike where roll overs and baby heads impact is no beuno.
Guerilla Gravity, another domestic carbon frame builder, sells a comparable frame kit for $3-4k depending on shock choice; 4k gets you a Push.
REEB sells a hand made in Colorado frame in REAL steel for $2750 (no shock), and there are lots of other domestic builders who use aluminum, so this is a really boutique bike.
I'm sure We Are One makes great frames, I ride their wheels and love em', but that's some pretty serious cash outlay.
If we were to compare to the road bike world, comparing to Cipollini, Pinarello, etc. How many people are complaining about the value of a $20k Dogma F?
The Arrival is a boutique bike and its price reflects that.
That said, my buying criteria was "not made in Asia," I have no budget, and I honestly DGAF what my bike looks like. I don't Ridewrap or put on matching accents, I put em up dirty, I don't hang out for Apres at the popular spot and try to impress people etc.. All that to say I am not the prototypical $$$ MTB consumer BUT I suspect most shoppers whether hardcore bike nerds or poseur dentists would not regard GG or Reeb as the same class of bike as WAO. The WAO has a pretty sophisticated dual link rear suspension design, it's significantly lighter, it's dead sexy. It is everything a Yeti or Santa Cruz is except not manufactured in a place with dubious human rights.
Again nothing against GG, I have one, I have the money to swap in an Arrival frame and didn't when I was offered one, but I think saying GG frames are "comparable" is probably generous. WAO have something special and it is priced more than fairly IMO.
I’ve ridden a lot of bikes, change frames once or twice a year, currently riding a Canfield Lithium with CBF.
Is CBF better than GG’s four link, yeah, I think so, but does that make it worth more money? Because it’s made in Asia, it cost less, but I’d pay more if Canfield made it here, but would I pay 1k more …
I’ve always been able to make a bike ride well with time and tuning; except for the Druid
If I had unlimited funds, I might pick up, a WAO frame and an Atherton, build em and ride em, perhaps I could tell the difference … or not.
I do think we have hit the point in the suspension game where improvements are getting smaller and smaller, so yeah, I don’t think WAO has a better suspension than anyone else.
No way does the resin for their carbon frames comes from within 500miles of Kamloops.
But regardless, love what you're doing. Bring back manufacturing!
The 152 gets the charger 3 with buttercups though? Odd
32lbs for SP1 and 32.3lbs for SP2. Very nice.
Not trying to argue or put wao or the reseller down.
99.99% of people aren't cross shopping. It could also buy you an excellent industrial espresso machine, or go in half on a decent used sailboat, or fund a Denali expedition, but those are also irrelevant. Things cost what the market will pay.
I have nothing against sportbikes to be clear, had a few (Yamahas even), did lots and lots of track days, my first two wheeled love. But this is about mountain bikes.
Lately, the markup of mtn bikes has increased significantly (40% I hear now. vs 15-20% when I owned a bike shop), which is great for shops, but the price of bikes has crept up to be on par with motos.
Agreed on all your points (this IS about mtn bikes and what the market will bear), except the point that 99% are not cross-shopping. There are lots of riders of both who I’m sure are also noticing that the cost of bikes has now matched motos.
Money in the grinder will always make the largest difference of any equipment, specifically when you mess with different burr types