BULLS Wild Core Prototype - Hafjell World Cup

Sep 12, 2013 at 18:57
by Mike Levy  

Hafjell, Norway
BULLS
Wild Core Prototype

WORDS Mike Levy
PHOTOS Vanja Kodermac

Designing a downhill race bike from scratch is a daunting task, especially when that bike will see its initial testing take place throughout a full season of World Cup racing... talk about being in the spotlight. That is exactly how it is often done, though, and is also how Hendrik Gehring, the engineer behind the 200mm travel BULLS prototype shown here, took to the challenge of designing a competitive machine. The German BULLS brand is well known for their range of affordable bikes, from city cruisers to cross-country rigs, but this entry into the downhill realm is part of a three year development plan that will eventually see them offer a production version of the downhill bike pictured above, with it presumably being priced as competitively as the rest of their lineup. Tasked with developing the bike is 'Team BULLS powered by Mountainbike Rider Magazine', a four man squad that includes New Zealander Wyn Masters, German racers Christian Textor and Tommy Herrmann, as well as team mechanic Mikey McCallum and slope rider Teo Gustavson from Sweden.

Team Bulls prototype Photos by Vanya Kodermac
  Shimano is a team sponsor, and the bikes are spec'd with XTR derailleurs, Saint brakes, and sturdy Saint cranksets.


The complete team bike sits at a claimed 37.9lb with a solid looking build kit that includes Shimano's Saint cranks and an FSA cockpit, and the team uses Mavic's Deemax wheels shod with special tires from Schwalbe that are part of the 'First Ride' development program. This gives Wyn and the boys access to some trick rubber that most racers won't be able to touch for quite some time, as well as putting them on equal footing with some of the larger teams when it comes to tire options. Suspension is an all RockShox affair, with a custom tuned Vivid R2C out back that has been shimmed to work well the Wild Core's suspension layout. An XTR derailleur from Shimano has been chosen due its longer cage, something required due to the chain growth caused by the bike's high main pivot, and Saint brakes slow the team down.


bigquotesThere will be one more update before the bike goes into production. The team-program has a contract for three years, so it's the aim to develop the bike more and more over the coming years with their help and feedback. - Jorn Hessen, team manager

The bike shown here, which is Textor's race bike, is actually the third version that the team have been on since the project began, although there have been many more variations on the computer during that time. The basic layout has remained the same throughout it all, though, with some alterations to the bike's geometry that have come via feedback from team riders, including a bottom bracket height that has been shifted 10mm lower than the original, as well as plans to lengthen the top tube on the production bike. The pivot hardware and idler pulley setup used on the early prototypes have also been replaced with much cleaner pieces that one would expect to see on the final product. It hasn't all been smooth sailing, though, with delays in the large sized prototypes forcing Wyn to race aboard another brand's bike for certain races, and teething issues with the evolving design that are being resolved during the season. Such is the development cycle of a downhill bike, with teams often dealing with problems that will be long sorted out by the time consumers see a production version.

Team Bulls prototype Photos by Vanya Kodermac
  The bike's 200mm of travel comes via a high single pivot design that uses a linkage to activate the shock.



Suspension Design

The bike uses a single pivot layout in conjunction with a linkage the activates its RockShox Vivid R2C shock to offer 200mm of travel, and while a linkage activated, single pivot design isn't breaking down any doors in terms of a suspension revolution, BULLS is certainly pushing the limits when it comes to main pivot placement. The reason for the ultra-high pivot, located nearly half way between the bottom bracket and the top of the bike's stubby seat tube, is to allow for the drastically rearward axle path that one usually associates with a bike that carries speed well on rough ground. A closer look at the side profile of the BULLS reveals that the pivot is actually well behind the imaginary vertical line drawn between the bottom bracket and seat tube, and mounted on an extension of the bike's top tube, a design trick that adds to that rearward axle motion. If having a rearward axle path was the single key to designing a fast bike you'd likely see a whole lot more designs similar to the BULLS bike on the race circuit, but it's far from being that simple.

It comes down to tradeoffs, with there needing to be a balance between all performance aspects in order for the bike to perform well, and such a high pivot is usually associated with two drawbacks: chain growth as the axle moves up and away from the cranks, and the suspension stiffening due to pedalling loads when a rider is putting down the power. The latter issue was addressed by placing an idler pulley that routs the chain up from the Shimano chain ring and nearly inline with the bike's main pivot. The negates the chain's action on the suspension by eliminating its tendency to pull down, thereby allowing the suspension to work to its full potential when the drivetrain is under pedalling loads. The pulley itself features an integrated chain guide, complete with rub blocks, that should prevent any derailments, and its nicely finished aluminum construction looks to be ready for production. BULLS is far from the first brand to use an idler pulley (Canfield and others have done it for many years), nor are they the first to employ such a high main pivot, but they look to have pushed the concept to its extremes.

Team Bulls prototype Photos by Vanya Kodermac
  Sturdy steel pivot bolts and anodized aluminum caps hold everything together at the back of the bike.


While Wyn and the rest of the team are loving the bike on fast, rough tracks, its high main pivot does make for a bike whose wheelbase grows quite a bit as the rear suspension nears bottom out. This can help by adding stability when the rider is landing in rugged terrain, but the downside can be geometry that changes drastically as its suspension compresses when thrown into a hard corner. ''We can only see from testing what is good and doesn't impede the performance of the bike's high pivot,'' team manager Jorn Hessen told us when questioned about it. ''We're trying to search for the best compromise.'' And word is that testing will likely result in the final prototype, the fourth iteration of the design before production, making use of a slightly lower pivot location that will sit a few millimeters down from the current placement. There could also be a final change to the linkage setup as well that will alter the progression slightly so that the bike ramps up a bit later in its stroke, another change that comes from Team BULLS powered by Mountainbike Rider Magazine racers putting the bike through its paces during the 2013 season.

One thing is for sure: we aren't often privy to such knowledge from team riders, with the public only hearing about how great the bike is, no matter what, from those who are paid to race it. Don't be fooled by the straightforward admissions written above, though, because all of the world's top bikes have gone through, or are still going through, similar processes before becoming the usually polished production bikes that you see in the catalog. We're looking forward to seeing and riding the production version that is born from the team's development work.

Whip-Off Contest Winterberg 2013
  BULLS rider Christian Textor aboard an early Wild Core prototype at CamOne WhipOff Contest at the Dirtmasters Festival. Photo by Jonathan Debus


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94 Comments
  • 61 13
 It reminds me of the tr 450 for some reason
  • 19 12
 little bit of Pulse too. Looks sweet, but the suspension system just looks like a mess, especially with the added chain pulley.
  • 4 2
 That was my first thought too.
  • 8 45
flag RobbyBriers (Sep 13, 2013 at 0:19) (Below Threshold)
 its a trek session >_>
  • 22 2
 Front triangle and tubing resemble tr450 but its screaming Zerode at me.
  • 12 1
 From the way my brain in processing that linkage design, it seems like it would have an amazing wheel path. I'd really like to ride something like this to see how it feels!
  • 22 0
 Got a question though. If the chain travels above the seat-stays, would the seat-stays really just be chain-stays?
  • 3 10
flag bebemonk4ever (Sep 13, 2013 at 1:21) (Below Threshold)
 at first i thought it was a replica of a tr450 too... but cheaper... and it isnt...
  • 40 1
 Who gives a s$&t what it looks like, its a new bike with some different stuff happening let it be what it is without comparing it to other bikes it may or may not look like. Why does everyone feel the need to say every other bike looks like a Trek Session?, the first Trek sessions looked like Kona Stabs which were Turners in the beginning. Does anyone using the internet these day with the MTB world know about the sport before 2007 ? haha
  • 15 0
 Does anyone remember what a Santa Cruz Super 8 or Rocky Mountain RM9 look like without having to look them up? Or how about ordering an MRP chain guide with 2 orange rollers and an inner and outer bashring? Man, have things changed over the years..
  • 9 0
 Finally, something other than specialized or trek. keep it fresh
  • 4 1
 not a Bulls fan, but the frame looks just sick. and i like the linkage system.
Think it looks a bit like a torpedo or something :p
  • 1 8
flag cyberhawk (Sep 13, 2013 at 4:48) (Below Threshold)
 just wait till you have to service bearings.. too much bearings..
  • 7 0
 too much bearings? theres 8 man, just like 80% of suspension designs out there. lazyguy you man !
  • 3 2
 sorry but i have been very happy lately with my foes.. noticing that any design does not really improve much above single pivot..
  • 1 1
 Anyone who seen a Zenith dh bike I'd say that's exactly what this looks like except for the drivetrain!
  • 4 0
 Reminds me more in terms of where the suspension design came from to the GT RTS... high pivot, shock thru the frame, and a lower rocker linkage to drive that shock. What's old is new again...
  • 1 0
 That suspension design looks sweet! You get all the benefits of a high pivot without the chain growth. excellent.
  • 1 1
 That suspension design looks sweet! You get all the benefits of a high pivot without the chain growth. excellent.
  • 2 0
 You still get chain growth. Unlike with GT's floating BB link bikes, this design fixes the BB to the main frame.
  • 2 5
 Looks like an imbred tr 450, that got raped by a yeti, which has an ugly attached twin called the gt ruckus 7.1... so this is really a tr450 that got gangbanged and gave birth to an ugly child
  • 1 0
 Or i guess you could say that.
  • 3 0
 @dirtworks911 doood I raced that in H.S.!! Super 8 with MRP double bash orange rings, SUN double wides, gazzalodi, stratos suspension, big 'ol tioga saddle. Like 50+ lbs. Money.
  • 1 4
 Looks like Trek Session..
  • 1 0
 i saw a gt looking like another transition
  • 1 0
 Probly rides an orange haha just the two for me taa lol
  • 1 0
 tr450 and pulse mixed?
  • 1 1
 come on guys every bikes these days they all look a like to some other bike... thats a fact that you cant denie it... who doesnt agree that the front of the frame looks like the tr450 should be wearing right now some glasses... the ktm caliber looks like the old devinci wilson... the trek session looks like the operator but its not the same thing for sure... and thats just 2 examples... but this is going so far and bike frames are almost perfect that whats wrong on saying that one bike looks like the other? are you blind? are you that ignorant?
  • 1 0
 HAHAHAHA still comparing the bike? Oh boy oh boy Smile I was really just joking about the Trek Session thing. Don't be too serious.
  • 1 0
 Argeed!^
And btw, looks alot like a Specialized daily.
  • 1 0
 It reminds me of the bicycle for some reason...
  • 1 0
 you guys would have to ride a bike that has a high pivot and chain roller setup like that to understand. Its burly and worth the mess. Suspension looks good too. I dig the overall design.
  • 1 0
 Gotta be a big trade of in cornering surely ? last thing you need in a tight corner is your wheel base growing
  • 9 1
 So and whats the Point that Wyn Masters is riding a Pivot Phoenix at the moment?
  • 4 7
 The point is missing loyalty to his bike sponsor. Imho Wyn Masters should ride this bike even in its development stages, just like the other team riders do. What advantage does the Phoenix give him? Maybe 15 ranks better? I don't think that's worth making a laugh and pb shit storm of your sponsor and their engineers.
  • 4 0
 Didn't the article mention that there were times when certain size prototype were not available? So he had to ride another brand for certain races?
  • 3 0
 Yes it did sino. From the text above:
"It hasn't all been smooth sailing, though, with delays in the large sized prototypes forcing Wyn to race aboard another brand's bike for certain races, and teething issues with the evolving design that are being resolved during the season."
  • 2 0
 OK, I missed that bit. Sorry, Wyn. Bad situation for all of them then.
  • 1 0
 That thing is pretty cool
  • 7 1
 More goooodness from a company that brings you this:

www.bulls.de/bikes/show/wild-beast

Chinacatalogwaremashup - now with pulley.
  • 7 3
 I don't know what to make of this.. I like the overall design, but that overly complicated pulley system, the low-hanging derailleur and a suspension linkage that is going to act as a second bashguard.. Seems like this bike has potential for a whooole lot of trouble and broken shit.
  • 3 0
 i agree with you on the pulley system, but the suspension linkage seems to be safe because it will extend when the bike cycles through its travel, this way when the bike is bottomed out the linkage will be fully extended and wont hit the ground. overal the bike looks sick, would love to try it out
  • 2 0
 It's not the point that it pulls out of the way at full travel but that it might ground out on slow steep sections where the front wheel drops away quickly. I'm sure we've all clipped a bash ring on an off centre root or rock. If you look at the pic at max resolution the linkage is already marked.
  • 1 0
 Exactly. It is always on the slow, steep and tight sections you hook up on the bashguard - or even on the frame in the non-drive side, if you're unlucky. I have managed to make a few marks that way. There is also the issue with flying rocks. In places like Les 2 Alpes and Hafjell the front wheel can send up rocks the size of your fist, and they hit pretty hard when you are doing 50-60km/h down the mountain. Hard enough to make a decent dent in the downtube.
Placing relatively fragile and very expensive parts in a high risk area is just begging for trouble, if you ask me. They could at least have made some sort of replaceable skid plate for it.
And good eyes, bulldog. There is in fact already a mark on it.
  • 3 1
 Do you guys even know what you're talking about? I mean.. have you ever looked at Santa Cruz' VPP links on the bottom? It looks exactly the same and I don't hear nobody complaining about it there. I guess they did a pretty good job in keeping all issues concerning damages of their linkage system a secret from us.. Obviously there must be tons of defects from what you armchair engineers predict. Sure it is already marked... this is what happens when you actually RIDE your bike, it does get marks. And what exactly is overly complicated with a simple pulley system to eliminate chaingrowth?
Having said that, I'm neither a bulls fan nor particularly excited about this frame or anything... I'm just being objective and unprejudiced.
  • 1 0
 This is a lot like the systems used in all Moto bikes since the late 1980s. The early moto suspension designs, esp Kawasaki and Suzuki were much more similar to current MTB designs.
  • 1 2
 @mazze, are you high?.. SC's linkage systems are protected by the frame and sits up high and snug. On this design it is sticking several centimeters down under the bike, putting it right in the line of fire! And the pulley system is overly complicated and unnecessary because there is simply no use for it, if the rest of the design is done properly. Longer chain, more weight, more shit to break? No thank you.
  • 2 1
 Unfortunately, no.. Wink But I happen to have a nomad c and it looks exactly like this --> www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Santa-Cruz-Tallboy-LT-29er-frame-suspension01.jpg in fact it's even more exposed on the nomad. Snug, huh?
Don't know how it is with the V10c, but I'm sure there are several other designs with exposed linkages.. first that comes to mind may be the Lapierre DH with pendbox system as well as the Intense 951 which looks exactly as pictured above.
Also, the pulley system is the only way to compensate the chaingrowth which is affiliated with high pivots. Therefore it absolutely makes sense because you can incorporate the benefits of a high pivot (rearward axle path) pretty much without the downside of added chaingrowth which would restrict the suspension performance.
Are you saying the engineers of Canfield or Ghost don't have a clue of what they are doing? Are those designs not done properly?
  • 1 2
 @b45her and mazze - So you guys are bringing trail and AM bikes to a DH fight? Cute Smile While the Nomad is certainly a very capable bike, it is not by any means a DH race machine and should not be compared as such. This is how SC does the link on the V10 (in other words, as it SHOULD be done on a DH bike): cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2010/05/06/1273169577616-zv302vcr8whh-670-70.jpg and cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2010/05/06/1273169577605-4l3wp2s6k834-670-75.jpg

@mazze - Lapierres DH rigs can't be compared to this in any way. Completely different suspension design and nothing hangs below the bottom bracket - in fact there is just about NOTHING around the bottom bracket haha. The 951, yeah, but not as extreme and the linkage itself is somewhat protected by the swinger being in the middle. If you take a look at the M9-FRO though, the linkage is tugged up into the frame, as it is on the V10. Maybe a hint about how it should be done ideally...
As far as the suspension design goes, I'm just saying that in my opinion, four-bar linkage is the way to go on long travel bikes. High single pivot belongs in the past.
  • 2 0
 This is not the Bulls I know. The Bulls I know makes ugly shit quality low budget bikes. Just checked their site and their dirt bike now is actually not an xc bike anymore with oversized tubes. I'm confused haha. Good job on the improvements Bulls! tup
  • 2 0
 just checked the website and the bikes have improved significantly. some of the xc fullies look like a scott genius ripoff though
  • 5 0
 I cut the brakes! Wildcard, bitches!
  • 1 0
 Looks well thought out. As DH goes I think I'd take this over most of the field for its axle path. Of course I can't afford a DH rig, and I go to the park 1-2 times per year anyway. Always happy to dream. . .
  • 1 0
 i just love how everyone was hating this bike in 2013 but ghost has been so far ahead of its time. with hindside almost one decade later 2/3rds of big brands use a high pivot designs with idler pulleys...
  • 1 0
 This is like that Italian POS that floated around a few months ago. Over engineered. There are some things you just need to keep simplified.
  • 1 0
 Wonder how long that top pulley will last. Ive been through three in my Corsair Marque. Once they start goin, they get LOUD and have tons of parasitic drag.
  • 1 2
 Yeah why the long cage...? In all seriousness, I'm pretty sure all the Shimano Shadow+ cages are cross comaptible like this:

www.pinkbike.com/photo/9713857

Even if you wanted a nice racy light der. you could have that with all the benefits [closer, more accurate shifting] of a short cage.
  • 6 0
 Did you not read the bit where they said the XTR was used as it has a longer cage to deal with the chain growth?
  • 2 2
 Maybe they went with the long cage due to the chain growth of the high pivot, don't know really
  • 2 0
 Well don't I feel silly Frown
  • 1 0
 Actually I didn't read that part , I just skimmed most of it and only really looked at the pivot. Just seemed that would be the thing to do with a high pivot point.
  • 2 0
 Don't beat yourself up jackclark. I often look at the pictures the go straight to comments for their comedic value without even reading the article haha.
  • 1 0
 I think this will be a success if they make it cheap enough for entry level dh . If its rrp is premium I dont think many will sell.
  • 1 0
 Does anyone even bother making 180mm single crown optimised bikes anymore? I only plan on riding a 26" true freeride bike.
  • 2 1
 Having aluminium welds in places of high stress extension never normally works. Bit worried about that
  • 1 0
 Hello guys what do you expect? it's a "Bulls" so it's a supermarket bike, but now everybody has to hop on the bandwaggon.
  • 2 0
 German department store + world cup = the Mongoose of Europe...
  • 1 0
 To many joints = to arthritis pain!!! Frown Keep it simple! ! Dose it all the time
  • 2 0
 It doesn't have any more pivots that any other multi-link bike out there... I'd say that it's simpler than some, even taking into account the pulley.
  • 2 0
 if the Canfield Jedi and TR had a baby...
  • 1 0
 looks like a completely new system to me....... but the frame is ugly as hell
  • 2 0
 soooo....... its a zerode for people that want a derrailler ??????
  • 1 0
 Looks like a tr450 with a worse overcomplicated version of gt's aos suspension
  • 1 0
 The pulley reminds me of my canfield jedi f1...
  • 2 0
 super short chain stays
  • 2 0
 that was one of the 1st things i noticed on it too
  • 2 0
 Well iiiiiiiii like it.
  • 2 3
 hmm. i dont like it. the rearend looks realy silly...maybe it works... maybe not. but sorry, the rear end and linkage etc..is ugly
  • 2 0
 "It hasn't all been smooth sailing, though, with delays in the large sized prototypes forcing Wyn to race aboard another brand's bike for certain races, and teething issues with the evolving design that are being resolved during the season."
  • 1 0
 ups ok. then it has a good reason
  • 3 2
 TR450 with a hint of GT....?
  • 1 0
 it needs a bigger pivot bearing that one seems too weak for me
  • 2 2
 Hummmmm, yet another high single pivot bike..nothing to see here boys..lets move along..
  • 1 0
 Other then the aesthetics of the chain guild set up it looks wicked
  • 1 0
 New GT. Very good idea. Back and then up.
  • 1 0
 looks like a 2014 carbon kona operator.
  • 1 0
 Funky & junky. Just like most of the rest of the industry these days.
  • 1 1
 Looks more like this to me www.pinkbike.com/photo/772266
  • 1 0
 Hate long cages
  • 1 0
 Mouse trap linkage







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