Steve Smith On The Devinci Wilson Carbon
Filmed and edited by Nic Genovese and Scott SeccoDevinci's Wilson Carbon Explained
Filmed and edited by Nic GenoveseWilson Carbon Details
• Entirely new carbon fiber front triangle
• Rear wheel travel: 216mm/8.5''
• Carbon fiber seat stay
• Split Pivot suspension
• Tapered head tube
• Replaceable ISCG-05 chain guide tabs
• Lifetime warranty (mfg. defects )
• Frame weight: 7.1lbs w/o shock (9.4 lbs w/ FOX DHX RC4 )
• Wilson SL weight: 36.11lbs
• Wilson SL 6,999$ USD
• Wilson RC 5,599$ USD
• Wilson frameset 3,399$ USD
• Availability: January 2013

Carbon Fiber Frame
The contemporary Wilson first debuted in 2011, replacing the original design with an 8.5" travel layout that employed a novel concentrically rotating axle pivot from the mind of Dave Weagle. Showing their commitment to full-fledged World Cup racing, Devinci signed Canadian racer and fan favorite Steve Smith to pilot the new bike shortly after. Fast forward to Interbike 2011, where we broke the news that the Wilson would be sporting a carbon fiber seat stay assembly, a fact that alluded to bigger projects in the works behind closed doors at Devinci. Yes, it was obvious that a carbon frame was coming, and we said as much, but Devinci was tight lipped on the subject at that point. "From the beginning of my collaboration with Devinci, we have known that at some point we would build carbon downhill bikes," Weagle explains. "Once we had experience with the seat stay assembly that showed massive gains, it was an easy decision to move to the next step and go to the carbon front triangle to see what gains we could make there."
It has taken a more than full year of development work on the Wilson Carbon to bring it to fruition, but Devinci says that the move to carbon not only delivers real benefits when it comes to ride quality, but it is also much lighter to boot. In a time when any downhill bike that comes in at over 40lbs is thought of as heavy, the complete Wilson SL tips the scales at a claimed 36.11lbs right off the showroom floor. The competitive weight is possible thanks to the frame weighing in at 9.4lbs, including its FOX DHX RC4 shock, mudguard, seat collar and drop out. No, it doesn't take the crown as the lightest frame out there, but it is respectable weight that is a pound lighter than many other options. Likely more important than its weight to many potential Wilson Carbon owners, the frame carries a lifetime warranty that speaks volumes about Devinic's confidence in its strength. It is true that many racers sell off their bikes at season's end, voiding the warranty at that point, but the fact that Devinci offers such an assurance should give riders piece of mind that the bike will be able to brush off a beating at the hands of the most aggressive riders.
Why Start With The Seat Stay?
While Devinci isn't first to the 'carbon in DH' party, they did take a different route than most other companies by producing a carbon fiber seat stay for the rear of the bike
before moving ahead with a carbon front triangle. In fact, there are multiple downhill bikes in production today that still combine a carbon front triangle with an aluminum rear end, with the manufacturer often citing both cost and design challenges when talking carbon chain or seat stays. So, why would Devinci start with the carbon swing arm that they debuted in 2011? The answer to that question lies in the Canadian company wanting to better understand the effects of using the material on a top-flight downhill bike, as well as the carbon allowing them to better tune the bike's rear end rigidity. And we're not simply talking about all-out stiffness, but rather just the right amount that won't make for either a stiff, jarring ride, or a wet noodle of a bike.
There is a point where you have too much stiffness, and so for us it was about trying to find that perfect balance point where it's not too much and too little.
- Dave Weagle
The first question that many ask about any new carbon frame concerns its weight, but there is more to the story that just how many grams have been saved compared to the aluminum version. The other part to the equation is chassis stiffness, specifically that often intangible feel that gives a bike its personality. It become clear early on that the performance difference between the original aluminum version
and the carbon model actually required different damper settings due to how the material absorbs and releases energy. At this point Devinci knew that carbon would be used for both the front and rear of the bike, but they chose to continue with the bike's aluminum chain stays due to diminishing returns when it comes to applying carbon to this section of the frame - not only would very little weight be shaved, if any, but it would also cost quite a bit more to manufacture. A bike's chain stays are also in the direct line of fire from trail debris, not to mention being under constant abuse from above and below as the chain slaps around over rough terrain.

Smooth Where It Counts
The large majority of carbon frames are created by using a bladder molding process whereby the desired shape is constructed by laying down specific sheets of carbon into a steel mold. A bladder, made from either latex or nylon, produces outward pressure to force the carbon sheets against the mold and into the desired shape. Although that may sound simple enough, there are many more steps involved before a carbon part comes to life. The technique has been used for many years with much success, but it has limitations when it comes to complex shapes and intricate sections. One of the keys to manufacturing strong and reliable carbon frames consistently is the ability to precisely apply the correct pressure from the inside, yielding uniform compaction with as few voids as possible in the carbon layup. The bladder method has a tough time being able to do just that in tight spaces, which is why Devinci has taken a different approach. They continue to use standard bladder molding technique for the larger tubes on the Wilson Carbon frame, but utilize removable silicone inserts at the head tube junction and
lower on the frame where the down tube and twin spars come together. The silicone inserts are able to get into those tight spots, areas where a bladder would have a hard time penetrating, and apply pressure to the carbon layup during the molding process. The end result is a stronger frame due to even compaction minimizing void formation during the frame's construction, an especially important fact when you consider the high-stress areas where the silicone method is employed. Cutting the frame in two for inspection reveals a smooth inner wall, and not just at the larger down or tube tube locations, but also at the both the bottom bracket and head tube junctions.
Split Pivot SuspensionWhile the bike is built around an entirely new carbon fiber front triangle, it utilizes the same Weagle-conceived Split Pivot rear suspension layout as found on the aluminum model. Devinci and Dave Weagle have spent years shaping the Wilson's suspension layout into a package that devours big terrain better than any other bike we've spent time on, so it comes as no surprise to us that the new bike continues with the proven design, thereby allowing Devinci to concentrate on development of the carbon front end rather than conceiving an entirely new bike from scratch. The Wilson's rear suspension consists of four major components: the carbon fiber seat stay assembly or wheel link, the Split Pivot concentric dropout pivot, the floating brake link (
in the Wilson as the chain stays ), and the control link that activates the shock and handles braking reactions.
The seat stay assembly determines the rear wheel's axle path as it moves upwards from an impact, with the high main pivot making for an axle path with more reward travel than if the pivot was located lower on the frame. The design is said to allow for both excellent square edge bump absorption and pedalling efficiency, two priorities for any competitive downhill bike. At the back of the Wilson, the rear dropout pivot rotates concentrically around the axle, and the brake caliper is mounted to the bike's floating chain stays in an effort to neutralize the effect that the braking forces have on the suspension. The layout allows the rear wheel to track the ground, even when the rider is hard on the brakes.

The Control Link
While it's the concentric axle pivot receives the lion's share of attention when it comes to breaking down the bike's design, it is the nearly hidden control link (pictured at right ) that greatly determines how the bike reacts to the terrain. The one-piece unit is machined from a solid chunk of 7050 aluminum, and rotates concentrically around the bottom bracket via two massive sealed bearings. It is home to not only the two large pivot bearings, but also to both the lower shock mount and the forward attachment point of the bike's chain stays, and as such plays an integral role in the Wilson's performance. "This piece is really the heart of the stiffness of the chain stays, and also how the bike reacts to bumps", Weagle explains, with the shape of the control link determining the suspension's leverage ratio throughout its travel.
It is often assumed that a bike's chain and seat stays are the key to stiffness, and that is true to a large extent, but the Wilson's control link is also an important piece of the puzzle. But, it isn't as simple as just producing an ultra-solid piece to connect the stays to the front triangle - the goal isn't to have the stiffest rear end possible, but rather to have exactly the right amount if rigidity. This accounts for the control link's relieved shape that is far from arbitrary. "By making changes to this part we can really tailor both the stiffness and the suspension performance of the bike", says Weagle. Its location on the frame is also inline with Weagle's goal of situating the Wilson's heaviest suspension parts as low as possible on the bike.

To The Races
All of Devinci's test lab and development work culminated with Smith taking a win aboard the Wilson Carbon on its debut race at Crankworx's Canadian Open, a fast and rough course that rivals many World Cup tracks in difficulty, not to mention that he was also up against a stacked field that had the event looking more like a World Cup stop than a one-off DH race. While there's little doubt that Smith would have won aboard the aluminum Wilson, the top placing shows just how comfortable he was on the new bike despite it being built-up shortly before the event. The next stop for both Steve and the Wilson Carbon came just a week ago at Leogang, Austria, on a relatively smooth World Championship's track that couldn't have been any more different from the brutal Canadian Open course. Both the bike and Steve did Canada proud, proving both their versatility with a solid third place that was just 1.2 seconds off of the winning time.
While it is unlikely that anyone reading this will be challenging Steve on the race circuit, it is clear that the new bike is up to the task. What's more, barring the custom Devinci Global Racing paint job, Smith's Wilson Carbon is assembled around the very same as frame the production model, including the exact same geometry.
 | People assume that we have prototypes with different angles and all that, but the bike you buy from Devinci is the bike I'm riding. It's the angles I like and exactly what I'm riding at the World Cups. - Steve Smith |
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...or is he?
Id say the carbon Wilson would murder the rampage, but to each their own.
36lbs... is 16.4kg - in downhill race kit
if you swap to an air shock (- .4kg), eg double barrel air, and swap out the downhill tires for say some sticky minion EXO's tubeless... (- 1.0kg) then I have a bike that weighs 15.0 kg. That is only .4kg more than my Scratch with dropper post... and I ride that UP everywhere...
That is not thinking about swapping out for some other little this and that anal things....
F...ME!! I'm going big next year!!!! And riding it!!!
ok i admit maybe the tires are an issue.... but still f...me!! (thats to micayla :-) the world is becoming a better place !
I think at least
The strength of an aluminum or chromo frame is not affected by these damages?
Gab- thanks for your less than scientific explanation. "some sort of resing that hold all the shit together". Very nice. I like it.
I think you both make good points and I think really the bottom line would be how resistant is Carbon compared to aluminum. I mean at the end of the day any dent or scratch is going to cause some sort of weak point in both materials. The real question would be how big of an impact causes what kind of weak point in each. I'd love to see that kind of test which one would have to assume is being done by these companies.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_OMCMgIyuM&feature=related
HE IS AN AWESOME RIDER!!!!
And it's just like "Denhamcommencal" said if I had meant Gwin I would have said Gwin!! But this is about Steve smith........... Or did you watch a diferant vid to everyone else!?
devinci builds bikes for dwarfs! :/
damn... the geo sheets for the carbon only state a large which i tried the 2011 of and it was to small.
www.morewoodbikes.com/bikes/makulu/#section-geometry
If you think about it , and look around what happens with "the economy", inflation, unemployment. Then how much people there are on the planet, who sits on the money VS who doesn't ,how many are in debt, how much energy and time it consumes to have such a expensive bike while it is kind of unnecessary thing for your own survival - then mhm... Then you can observe the trends, stuff gets more and more high tech and only some of it falls down off "the rich" guys table (like Shimano Zee), and that high tech stuff gets only more and more expensive. There are things like some Chinese carbon rims for 150$ VS Enve rims for 900$, just like carbon frames from On One, Canyon VS DeVinci or Santa Cruz. But they are not the same as the high end stuff, there many ways to do CF, and some things are just uncomparable - bad carbon is lighter than alu but it is not nearly as compliant as high end stuff. Actualy On One 456 is reported to give over stiffened really shitty ride feel.
There's lots of other things I'm sure that will point out the simple answer - IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, save money for normal stuff, it will be less and less affordable, sorry.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/8453106
www.yt-industries.com/fileadmin/downloads/testberichte/Test_TuEs2_Dirt_09_2012.pdf
I guess as long as people are willing to shell out ridiculous amounts of cash for bikes, prices won't come down. If YT can sell awesome bikes voor €2100, and obviously still make a good profit on them, why can't other brands?
It'll get better with time, eventually they'll phase out the ALU side of various bikes and just go carbon for ease of production.
I've ridden a v10 carbon and a lot of Giant Maestro bikes, and some KHS VPP bikes too, and an Intense Tracer. I think VPP is much better at bump absorption than any single pivot design (but I haven't tried a Zerode yet). If I was faced with the choice between a V10C and this, I would have to go for the V10 simply becuase I believe the suspension system to be superior. The Wilson looks a lot better to me, I especially love the BB rotating control link and the banana swingarm. I believe the V10 with carbon back end will be a good amount more expensive than the Wilson Carbon though.
Then the biggest cost will always be man hours and huh, even with shitty CF frame that will be longer than welding an alu frame by hand. Putting weaving together into a form if you want to achieve different (you need to cut them first out of sheets somehow) wall thicknesses? Then everything needs to cure. The list goes on and on. I know that with the use of cheaper inner form, good plastic bag, vacuum cleaner then file and sand paper, you can do a much cheaper version of CF frame - but it is not gonna work as well and still gonna take more time and money than robo-welded alu frame. Whatever you say it is damn more complicated than CNCing, welding and hydroforming of tubing.
I am sure though that while people are not yet familiar with CF, the margins and profits on those frames and components are way higher than on alu, so it is highly probable that making CF at the moment means good business!
After a long talk with him I am not so sure about future of carbon being so bloody bright. If it is going to be as you guys predict, that they will push out alu, it is going to be the end of second hand market as we know it - so don't hope for it that eagerly. CF frames will loose value faster than alu or steel, they will also deteriorate in time faster than metal. A bigger scratch on alu frame, is just a scratch - on CF it will be a one fugly chip off that can develop into something serious.
How? I don't know. I would guess the setup cost for a hydroforming process is astronomically high. As far as I know most frames are still hand welded, not done by robots, and the time taken for jigging up the tubing, heat treating and QC is longer in total than making a carbon layup by hand. Labour is cheap in mainland China too, which is where most carbon bikes are made I'm told.
I must stress that all of this is just word of mouth from friends. I do not work in a bike factory so I can't quote any actual figures, but the people I talk to have no reason to mislead me on any of this.
Also comparing the price of a top brand Taiwanese made and owned company in Taiwan to the price of the same bike in the UK lets me know that the importers/distributers/retailers over there are making an absolute killing on each unit sold (the taxman is too). I don't much like the idea of buying a bike for a price that keeps the execs of that brand flying round in helicopters. Basically what I'm saying is, certain brands prove that the rest are overpriced. While the Wilson Carbon is the closest bike to sex I've ever seen, no bike without an engine is worth $3300 American. When they bring the price down to something reasonable I'll consider it.
Amen to that.
My poor knowledge comes from guys doing helicopters, sailplanes, and world's top notch RC models of all kind, so they only speculate on biking stuff, maybe if they would do a frame it would be waaay lighter? However when he saw the CNCd forms for V10c rear end he was quite impressed. Very unimpressed when he saw specializeds S-Works 29er in the shop, saying there's at least half of a kilo of paint and stickers on it.
@tabletop I agree. They have to get the use out of the molds.
What the video above does tell you is that this isn't just an ALU frame made of carbon, it's been tuned specifically to achieve specific results which will be great for the consumer. There won't be any 'play' in the bike, but there will be designed flex that, if we believe the speak, should feel really nice, especially when cornering.
As other have pointed out, we learned that lesson in motorcycles already (It was actually more like pre-season '93 in the 500cc days. Yamaha hit this wall hard!) when both frame AND tire AND suspension makers were both independently making things stiffer and stiffer and stiffer. Frames with no flex and super stiff sidewalls. The result being that there was no COMPLIANCE(!) anywhere in the system to deal with small bumps. The result being that the tire just bounced off. In a series of small bumps, the tire would never be able to regain traction because the system was never supple enough to allow it to stay in contact with the ground.
The question of stiffness vs compliance is also significant with cars and for all the same reasons.
www.pinkbike.com/video/243228
I'm sold
Done right (which you can assume is being done here) and comparing apples to apples with regards to tube diameters, etc, CF has a much higher resistance to plastic deformation (read: getting dented or penetrated by a rock or other object) and should actualy do better in a crash, technically.