Carbon Wheels That Cost Less - Taipei Cycle Show

Mar 22, 2017 at 23:14
by Mike Levy  
2017 Taipei Cycle Show

Taipei Cycle Show


Buying a set of carbon fiber wheels is a good way to make two, or even three, thousand dollars disappear in an instant, often with a somewhat negligible return on your investment depending on what you've picked up and how you're using them. There are a few great carbon wheelsets out there, however, and some of them are even priced relatively decently. Square Root is a UK-based company who are hoping to add their name to that short list of companies offering carbon wheelsets that make sense, and their plan to do that is to use a consumer-direct business model that allows all of their wheelsets to retail for $1,199 USD. That's still a big chunk of cash, no doubt, but it seems pretty reasonable compared to what else is out there right now.

If you'd rather build your own wheels, the carbon rims can also be bought on their own for $399 USD across the board, and Square Root will also have a crash replacement program with pricing yet to be nailed down.


Taipei Cycle Show
Taipei Cycle Show


The carbon rims are manufactured in Taiwan with proprietary molds that aren't used to build anyone else's product, and every part of the build process is done by hand, from the initial lacing on. Square Root's rims come in four flavors: a cross-country 29'' rim that weighs 430-grams and has a 21mm internal width, a 27.5'' trail rim at 415-grams and an 23mm internal width, a 27.5'' enduro rim that weighs 415-grams and has an internal width of 27mm, and also a 27.5'' downhill rim that weighs 550-grams and has a 28mm internal width.

Total wheelset weights haven't been nailed down quite yet, but I'd expect those numbers to be relatively competitive given the very reasonable claimed rim weights.


Taipei Cycle Show
Taipei Cycle Show


The wheels are laced up with straight-pull spokes, and they'll be hub options to fit Boost and non-Boost bikes. Square Root will begin shipping production wheelset this coming June, and customs will also have the option of adding rim decals to their order that will let them go stealth, flashy, or color-match them to their bike.







119 Comments

  • 100 2
 Saw the title and instantly said to self, wow pb finally gna do a light bicycle write up...not.
  • 27 1
 LB cuts into their advertising revenue.
  • 43 0
 LB's are the dirty little (not so) secret that NO cycling website wants to talk about. I had a set built by a local builder with LB 35mm rims AM/DH lay ups, Hadley hubs and Sapim race spokes. In two years of being thrashed on a Banshee Rune beneath my Clydesdale size and anger bear-like riding style, they've never gone out of true, always had tubeless set up with ease, never flatted nor burped and the only broken spoke was due to branch getting stuck in them. They had plenty of scuffs from me riding them 2-4+ times a week for the last two years, but otherwise they've been more bulletproof than any wheelset I've ever owned. All at below a grand. I look forward to building some for my next rig too. BTW, in that time span I've seen and read about many way more expensive and highly lauded over wheelsets and carbon rims detonate.
  • 16 0
 @hellbelly: Gotta say, the pair I got build up are pretty much just as amazing. Big 38mm 29ers laced to Hope Hubs, and they have been thrashed around across two bikes and still going strong. It's a hard one to beat.
  • 9 0
 @Zaff: @hellbelly I have 2 sets of LB rims. 33mm DH rim and 30mm 29er. Both were OG hookless models. Both built up by a local shop. Guy was impressed with the rims and has built up at least a half dozen sets of Enves. There has been some trying moments getting tires on and many curse words. Looking at the new models a deeper centre groove has been added to make tire installation easier/. so I'm willing to try them again. Especially when the price of non-asymmetrical rims is somewhat reasonable.
  • 10 0
 @hellbelly: Same here, wheelset 1564g, 32mm wide, $608 all in, I'm at 1000 miles on them of hard AM riding, haven't even needed to true them yet.
  • 9 0
 Another LB customer here - I was a little worried at first at the non brand but after reading thousands of reviews on mtbr I took the plunge and I've been very impressed. I'd happily recommend them to anyone...
  • 9 1
 "Taiwan" and "proprietary" .You're funny.
  • 9 0
 I did manage to crack LB 27.5 rear rim, right on the mounting bead (my own fault, horrible knife edge rock impact). These were LB original hooked beads, not the new "hookless". The bead was hanging off the rim, but still attached. I did not bother calling or emailing LB for a fix. I grabbed a two part expoxy, specificily G-flex from West systems, and glued everything back together. Sanded everything down, and they are good to go. I've put another season on the rim with zero issues. Three seasons so far, and they are still running true. Very little loss of spoke tension too.

I run their newer 29er rims too. I love them. Great product.. carbon wheelset with Dtswiss hubs, XD driver, for about 650 bucks. That is insane.
  • 1 0
 @Rasterman: What hubs did you go with? Thought they were going for a little more than that with Hopes, about that with Novatec's. Awesome weight!
  • 4 0
 I'm at around 5000 miles of hard riding on a set of their XC 21x27mm 29r hoops with no issues. My riding weight has been from 200-250 lbs and they're still true. I now have them laced up to a set of the new Sram XO boost IS hubs using Sapim CX-Ray spokes with the build weight being @ 1450g. www.light-bicycle.com makes a great product at an extremely good price. I really have enjoyed their wheels since my days on a 26in sled. If anyone is worried about getting a set look at the cheap Chinese carbon fiber thread on MTBR.
  • 4 0
 I am a happy LB customer as well. Although I just switched back to aluminum rims on my daily driver, I still have thousands of miles on them on other bikes. I switched because I broke another rear rim, my fault, but I just cant wait 6-8 weeks again for a replacement. I really wish they would setup a warehouse in the US so we could get replacements in a few days.
  • 2 0
 Another stoked LB customer.

I have the i30 mm 27.5 wheels. Got em built from LB on DT240s with the 36T ratchet upgrade for about $1200 shipped to the USA. I ride them often and hard. I did manage to break the rear wheel but it was on a such a hard hit - I knocked the bead of the tire off and so the wheel hit the rock directly. It was barely past the 1-year point (bit of a sore point there since they go back to the date you ordered the wheels not when you received them so it's not actually 1 year) so they gave me like an 8% discount or something on ordering a new rear hoop. I went for the "heavy duty" version on that instead of the "all mountain" and am again very happy. In total it was $220 to replace the rear hoop with shipping. Still waaaaay cheaper than a set of Enves.
  • 1 0
 Great to see all the positive LB reviews. I spent some time looking at them a couple years ago, but wanted to wait and see how their track record was once people started buying. I'm now re-inspired.

Anyone have any negative experiences with them?
  • 2 1
 If you want to know how good LB rims are just ask any of the ZELVY riders.
  • 4 0
 @skelldify: There's a massive thread on mtbr I think - well over a 1000 pages! There's a few that have broken, but the general consensus is overwhelmingly positive. When there has been a problem, Lb also seem to have looked after their customers pretty well, although there is some delay due to the distances involved. Search for the 'cheap Chinese rims' thread and it should come up...
  • 3 0
 @tsn73: what was the above article about again? So funny. All we are talking about is LB rims. That's hilarious. Good for them.
  • 1 0
 @jgreermalkin: Great thought, but then the prices would go up.
  • 3 0
 @slimboyjim: WOW! I just checked out their site. They now have a North American distributor. Go to us.lightbicycle.com.
  • 1 0
 @tsn73: Doesn't the 240s already come with a 36T as stock? I have 350's and i upgraded to the 54T bontrager only (originally at least) ratchet
  • 2 0
 @jgreermalkin: I believe they have a US location in Stockton California
  • 2 0
 @Doomsdave: Yeah, but the range is limited at this point and the prices are higher too. You got to head to the motherland for the full experience.
  • 3 1
 Ditto. Solid rims for $200. Having said that, LB is standing on the shoulders of companies like mavic or sun or specialized who invested in r&d for decades. Id be willing to pay extra to have that r&d continue, but I wont pay double just to have someones company sticker on there.
  • 1 0
 @hellbelly: i guess you'd buy there instead of direct if you were more concerned about the warranty process, faster shipping, and/or wanted them to build em? Direct still better imho
  • 1 0
 @Mabagal: It's been awhile but I recall that it came with only 18T as stock. I didn't know about the 54 at the time or would have gone that way.
  • 4 0
 @BryceBorlick: Bikes are just so expensive and living in SoCal I ride so often there have been many times I've benefited from having more than one in the fleet due to dealing with failing brakes, droppers, wheels, etc. So yeah I'm with you, I don't need the flashy sticker even though LB will let you do custom graphics if you want. I just went matte black - people don't even know I'm rocking carbon wheels which I like just fine.
  • 1 0
 @d-send: what do you mean? If you imply Zelvy are the same as LB, then you better do some more research Wink
  • 32 7
 I wouldn't ride ENVE rims purely because the name is an intentional ode to overt consumerism, which for me is not what mountain biking is about. I'm sure it is actually an acronym for something totally different, but they use the word ENVE as an intentional marketing ploy offends my l sensibility in a way
  • 16 14
 Hear hear! No more grab them by the wallet cuz Mountain biking is about writing "26 for life" on the internet.
  • 1 1
 ENVE used to be a company called carbon composites.
  • 4 0
 @Rngspnr: And Edge Composites
  • 2 3
 When I read the comment first my online outrage indicator went to 6, but then I looked at sarcasm detector and it was showing 9700F
  • 1 1
 I won't because I'm not prepared to have my money fund what appear to be the large number of people they give them to. I'm alooking for sponsorship but there is a limit
  • 2 0
 What is the limit? 10 athletes per brand?
  • 4 2
 @allballz: really? No, should they? Thanks mate, you are great! Keep doing what youbare doing!
  • 11 0
 Good to see more carbon wheel options that are not as damaging to the wallet as Enve! These look ok, but for the money check out @NOBLwheels. I'm loving my wheelset and get to support a local BC company.
  • 1 1
 I just had a look, the page for TR33 rims says they're $400, is that for a pair of rims? I am assuming so as the page is titled "rims" but can't see anywhere that confirms this. If that's a pair that's a bargain.
  • 3 0
 @orangenut: That's per rim $800 for a pair.
  • 2 0
 DUKE wheels deserve some more light as well !
Certainly France's most famous wheel builder starting offering his own rims couple of years ago. He now has a full carbon offering, form crazy light xc to DH. Remy Absalon is currently running them so I'm not too concerned about resistance.

www.duke-racingwheels.com
  • 3 5
 Still made in China however.
  • 2 7
flag tgent (Mar 23, 2017 at 7:05) (Below Threshold)
 @Tmackstab: So are ENVEs now...
  • 9 0
 Nobl = well marketed Lite Bikes 'special blend' w onyx or i9 hubs and nice decals.... just to be fair.
  • 1 1
 @brennenhuff: I gonna get 3 pairs of ZTR Arch instead
  • 1 2
 @bicycle019: Good call, but they're still moving a lot of the manufacturing over to the US, previously only the rims were manufactured in the US. I also heard that when Amer bought them, they were going to be headed overseas, but that doesn't look to be the case so far.
  • 1 0
 I've used Lb rims on my nomad, cracked 3 of them (2 rear) (1front). Lb was good about warranty on just one of them.
I'm trying @NOBLwheels this time on my new yeti sb6. I will be putting them to the test in the next few weeks. How are your rims holding up in bc conditions so far?
what tire pressure are you running and what tires?
Cheers
  • 1 0
 @Deanoshred: I'm running the TR36 with NOBL hubs. All my usual trails on Fromme and Seymour. I'm 195lbs and run 22psi front and 24psi rear. No problems so far since the fall.

Really stiff rim compared to my last set, Stan's Flow EX.

Love the hubs. Instant, silent, perfect.
  • 8 1
 yeah it seems an odd lineup to bring to the market at the present time. That lip on the spoke side of the rims looks like a great mud/dirt catcher...
Love my LB's 2 years handout and haven't touched them
  • 7 0
 LB rims? Best money I've spent on my bike. 3 years and straight as ever.
  • 8 0
 LB FTW.
  • 7 0
 had Enves-cracked.
had E13s (lg1 carbon)-cracked.
Hope DH now-both have out lasted (and out performed) both sets of carbon wonder hoops and at a price of £850-enve vs £70-hope, no stupid internal nipples like enve too.
  • 17 0
 Nipples on the outside is the right choice in any situation.
  • 13 0
 @bishopsmike: Nipples OUT!
  • 4 1
 Have had the new E13 TRS+ aluminum 29er rims for about a year. 28mm inner, 530 grams. Zero issues! They have plenty of rock hit scars. I ran a huge stick through the back wheel, bent a couple spokes, wheel still "true". It was only off by 2mm, I think that's true in my book. At $79 a rim and a complete Hope hub and DT double butted spoke build for $500, seems silly to buy carbon. I get the concept, but even the affordable price, if I do the math, I could buy 80 fancy 6-packs of beer with the money I've saved. That's a no brainer..
  • 1 0
 @oldschool43: I went through 3 TRS+ alloy rims in less than a year. The seam where the rim was welded together cracked on one rim and would leak sealant into the spoke nipples. Two other rims cracked around the eyelets. The driver broke on one of the hubs leaving me to hike my way out. They refused to warranty my wheels the last time with the busted seam because I had gotten a deal on them from E13 for the wheelset.I did not know I was getting a substandard warranty with the deal and they would not stand behind their product. I ended sending the wheels back and they refunded my money. Moved on!!
  • 1 0
 @Sebastes: was that the old style? White graphics that kind of looked like the Enve logo that were painted or etched? I cracked one of those. The new one they sent had nipple washers, no issue. The new E13's have stickers and came with washers. I steered away from the rear hub, the old ones had issues. I hear the new ones are better, but I run Hopes.
  • 1 0
 @oldschool43: I guess they were the old style, because they were not sticker logo's. They did have the washers for the nipples and they still had problems. Charles said that it was not something they see often on those rims, but it happened a lot in my experience. I am glad to be rid if them and built up a set of Chris King hubs with DT Swiss rims. This is the fifth bike I have had the Chris King hubs on and minimal maintenance.
  • 2 0
 Awesome to hear! Ordered a hope DH wheel set that should be arriving tomorrow. At $550 shipped for the set I can't imagine you can buy anything better for equal or less money.
  • 16 9
 They need a 30mm and +30mm internal width rim before I'll even consider them...
  • 23 13
 that's a stupid point of view.
  • 2 1
 i agree .30mm internal seams like my happy place. and if its carbon money im paying i want it to be right.
  • 4 2
 @poah: How is that? I want wide rims in order to avoid tire roll at the super low pressures I run. I run 2.35 or wider tires so anything under 30mm internally is a waste of my time.
  • 2 8
flag poah (Mar 23, 2017 at 12:56) (Below Threshold)
 Unless you are running some of the new tyres specfically designed for wide rims then your tread profile isn't what it should be. I run 2.35/2.4
Tyres on my 25mm internal rims.

Sounds like you're just taken in by adverts lol
  • 2 0
 you fell for adverts for the 25mm and 2.4s that came out a few years ago. bet they felt ace compared to the old 19mm 2.1s
  • 1 0
 @poah: its a joke. hes joking...
  • 1 0
 @poah: Really? And you would know this because you've ridden my bike extensively? Have found that in fact my tires on my rims don't grip as well as yours on your rims? If it works for you great but I'm running 15psi front and 13-17psi on the back and with 23mm internal rims my tires would fold over at every corner...
  • 1 3
 @SintraFreeride: if you want to run such stupidly low pressures that's your choice I suppose but I don't have to ride your bike to know the effect of wide rims on tyre profiles.

@markg1150: I had 19mm rims two years ago and they were fine for my 2.35 tyres, I got new wheels and they just happen to be 24.5 mm wide, I wouldn't get anything wider
  • 2 0
 @poah:
if i ran such a narrow rim id have to run high gripless harsh riding no bump absortion like presure or 1100g dh tires to stop the tire folding like a deck of cards in a corner. Then id have to fork out for a heavy coil shock to get some traction and dull the harshness. ????
  • 1 1
 your suspension is shit then Wink
  • 1 0
 @poah: How can you say they are stupidly low if a) you don't know my weight and b) don't know whether I'm running singleply, dualply, procore or even tubeless. You prefer riding with skinny rims and if that works for you good on you but don't assume it works for me.
  • 6 2
 I built a 26" LB/hope set last year, with 31.6mm inside width I can run 2.5's on a trail bike that measure 27 1/4" diameter, and the GRIP! I don't care what you fools think of that, it feels pretty great to me, and I get to take my pick of all the discounted 26" stuff out there. Pretty sure I only have a year or so left though! neg me all you like lol
  • 1 1
 I still run my old spank 26 stiffys 40al and think they may be the best rim I have ever owned. I have several other sets of really high and wheels. My old 26-inch wheels are still the bomb. They stare truer and seem to be bomb-proof.
  • 5 1
 I love carbon hoops. But the reality of the matter is if you dig aluminum wheels you will break carbon Wheels. Doesn't really matter what brand you buy. If you're a wheel dinger and you choose carbon you will be a hoop restringer.
  • 3 1
 iv had the exact opposite happen. i can destoy alloys and did easy many times.(stans wtb mavic) cant kill my carbon hoops touch wood (LB) its actully payed for itself.
  • 1 0
 @markg1150: Same experience here. Flat-spotted my alloy rims within the first week from flat-landing a jump. Replaced with LB wheels and 3 years later I have yet to true them. They've been abused horribly and just keep on trucking.
  • 8 1
 Whats wrong with Flow MK3?
  • 7 3
 Not a carbon rim. SAD. I am waiting for one of those twats claiming that they use graphene in their carbon rims.
  • 7 1
 They need a wide 29 option
  • 3 1
 Does cheaper rims means even faster crack? I was seriously interested in carbon rims but saw so many cracked ones lately in bike reviews or wheel tests that I'm not sure anymore. Even an issue with SRAM rims have been disclosed right away, whereas most issues with SRAM products are usually acknowledged when the next generation product shows up... not a good sign (I know, issues with the second reverb also showed up quick, maybe thins are changing... finally).
  • 2 0
 nothing wrong with DT 471 or Stans MK Flows. Way better value than any carbon and not going to be too stiff.
  • 2 0
 I've had good luck with my LB rims in enduro all mountain riding (30mm iWidth 29'er). I've also had good luck with my Roval Traverse wheels (just had one replaced due to a pulled spoke nipple after 2 hard seasons). However I've twice had a blowout on my LB "downhill" rims both on the 3rd day of Whistler. In both cases the tire instantly went flat and I crashed. Afterwards, the rim was damaged but it was never clear to me if the tire failed and the crash damaged the rim or the tire blew out because the rim got damaged. I also noticed everytime I bought a LB "DH" rim, it was heavier and burlier than the last iteration. Either way I gave up on carbon rims for DH, the weight difference between the newest carbon DH rims and a good set of DT's or Canfields is negligible, and I have never had hte same blowout problem with aluminum rims. OTOH I never had a problem with my carbon rims racing at Port Angeles, but that course is not super hard on wheels. The last thing i need when riding Whistler is to worry about a spontaneous blowout causing me to crash. In both cases that was the only crash I had all weekend.
  • 1 0
 I had a similar experience to your LB DH wheels with my 29 AM LB wheels. Mine were the first generation 29 AM wheel with hooked beads and 32 spokes and I had a lot of trouble free miles on them until I had a big Blow OUT with the front wheel after smacking a rock square on. I don't know if the failure was from the tire blowing out and then the rim contacting the rock that slashed the tire, or if the wheel just failed. I do know I was doing about 25mph down a rocky downhill section when I heard a Boom and went over the bars. 3 broken ribs on that one. Put me off the bike for 6 weeks. The wheel was a total disaster. It looked like it literally exploded and the entire bead separated from the inner surface (which was now in 2 pieces). The wheel had zero structural integrity and I walked back to my truck 9 miles. Not fun. I still don't blame the wheels for that one though. I beat the tar out of those wheels and they never went out of true. I just think I smacked that rock just right, blew a sidewall, and took a dirt nap.
  • 6 1
 Is it just me, or do these look weirdly deep? #aeroiseverything?
  • 1 0
 I love my dt Swiss xmc 1200 wheels. 30mm wide, 30mm deep. Crazy strong wheels while also being super light
  • 3 0
 @rrsport: Yeah, DT Swiss make great products. I just wish the XMC 1200 rims were wider than 24mm i.d.
  • 7 2
 Looks like an Enve, Probably cracks like a Enve
  • 2 1
 I'd love to read an expanded explanation for carbon wheels being a "negligible return on your investment depending on what you've picked up and how you're using them." I can venture some guesses as to why carbon is a money pit (I ride hard and have cracked two carbon rims in the past year, a roval traverse fattie 30mm and a whiskey carbon 65mm), but I enjoy hearing other reasons. Carbon wheels sure feel good but I might need to switch to MK3 flows...$100 fix vs $400
  • 4 0
 You wont go wrong with MK3's
  • 2 1
 Pretty sure he means that once you go to sell your bike/wheels, you aint getting $3000 back.
  • 6 0
 What kind of riding are you doing that you're cracking 65mm Whiskey rims? Road gap - huck to flats on fat bikes?

Also in regards to the negligible return, I think it mostly comes down to weight savings versus dollars spent.

Here's a few examples: 30mm DT Swiss Spline ONE weighs 1675g and costs roughly $1000 US; LB wheels cost roughly the same (minus shipping) and weigh 1450g, ENVE's cost $2700 for 1600g, EThirteen cost just shy of 2k and weight 1800g, and IBIS 735's cost $1700 and weight 1540. All roughly the same internal width, similar quality of hubs.

Out of those, the only ALU set are the DT Swiss. They're not terribly heavy (and probably not noticeable to the average rider), close to, if not outright the cheapest, and I'd argue probably have better durability from some types of damage (and from my perspective at least have better ride quality). So really... unless you're a weight weenie, or Dentist with money to blow on bike bling, why bother? And thats with some high end ALU rims. Stans are cheaper, as are a ton of great ultra durable and reasonably light alu wheelsets.
  • 6 2
 @ratedgg13: the Spline One and Enves likely are using the same hub.
Score some cheap Chinese carbon rims. Lace em up to your hub of choice. Profit.
  • 7 1
 @gonecoastal: Then cry when the rim snaps on landing.
  • 2 0
 @polarproton: Take a look on the forum and see how many happy customers there are. If you were a victom of bad rims thats a total bummer but I have two wheelsets going strong, one with Nextie and the other Flyxii after 3 years
  • 6 0
 I've a set of Lb rims that I had built up by the LBS with Hope Pro4 hubs and Dt Swiss spokes - they cost the same as a top whack Alu wheelset but weigh less by over 200g by your calculation. That's a big weight saving and immediately noticeable in the ride. I had a pair of closeout 26" Easton carbons before and I loved the additional speed they injected into the ride so it was a no brainer for me to go carbon again (although I did a LOT of online research about durability and Customer Service for Lb before buying). Similarly a friend of mine has just made the jump to carbon too (some E13's) and he can't believe the difference. If I was on a downhill bike where 90% of the run was covered in roots and rocks perhaps the additional deflection properties of an Alu rim would help, but for general riding I think the carbon rims win out for me. Don't get me wrong - I will happily do Dh runs on them on my enduro bike - and I do ride tech stuff, but with relatively low pressures in a tubeless setup I just don't see the deflection argument being super important for non-DH riding.
  • 1 0
 @polarproton: I don't cry when parts die an admiral death. Hasn't happened on the two sets I'm currently running. One of which is on a DH bike for WBP.
  • 2 0
 @ratedgg13:

Rate-dogg, haven't you heard? We're all weight weenies and dentists on PB. If you're not, you're in the wrong place. It's in our blood to obsess and opine on all things carbonium and adamantium.
  • 1 0
 @ratedgg13: I don't hit road gaps on my fat bike, but I ride pretty hard. Both rims cracked straight lining through steep rock/root section of trail! I've never ridden DT rims maybe I'll give them a try
  • 2 0
 @Billjohn6: I think this is all I need to cite when it comes to the quality and durability of dt Swiss wheels: m.pinkbike.com/news/video-aaron-gwins-flat-tire-flyer-world-cup-2014.html
  • 2 0
 That rear hub won't stand up to a British winter, the big bearing behind the freehub shell won't last long. Similar to the original I9 hub but they've given up on the idea because it doesn't work in the mud.
  • 1 0
 An XC RIm that weighs more than an "enduro" rim? 21mm internal XC rim that weighs 430g? You can buy a DT swiss XR331 rim for about 60 bucks that is 20mm wide internally and weighs 380g... Seems to me that people aren't paying attention to the latest alloy products coming out, I've been a carbon rim fan for a while, but I've been on the DT 331's for xc lately and they are fantastically cheap and light...
  • 1 0
 I'm pretty sure that's a fault and should say 330g
  • 3 0
 @nolimit: it's probably pretty accurate considering light-bicycles lightest 23mm internal 29er xc rim is 370g. This is my point... people are starting to overlook new aluminum rims when the tech is getting better...
  • 1 0
 Ive got custom LBs on my SB66 and I love them. I went with the cheaper hub options and regret that, but the rims themselves are awesome. I am pretty sure I will have them forever, and will definitely equip other bikes with them when the time comes.
  • 3 0
 Those Novatec Hubs they are using are good, been using a similar set (std J bend) for 18 months, been rad!
  • 1 0
 Why did they use 12mm nipples? Why not 14mm or 16mm? Again, they are just showing the carbon wheels, but come on. You'd likely scratch the rims or round the nipples if you went at them with a spoke wrench.
  • 1 0
 Picked up a set of Nobls (w/ Onyx built hubs) for an even grand due to a bit of a snafu. Even full price, their sets are just a couple hundred more than these, and you get North American support and (much) better hubs.
  • 1 0
 the rear hub looks like an Ellsworth Synergy Cantilever design. I have novatec version from Bdop cycling seems to work just fine
  • 1 0
 with the narrow width I think they bought some old road bike molds, 23mm trail bike! my rims are outdated and they are wider than that
  • 1 0
 These look awesome! LB pricing still beats these but it's good to see another affordable carbon wheel set offered that takes away revenue from the high prices Enve's!!!
  • 8 6
 I will stick with metal for all my bike parts thanks.
  • 1 0
 No info on the drive mechanism of the hub? This seems like an oversight. =/
  • 1 0
 There are some big carbon fiber factories in Xiamen produce high quality carbon rims that cost only around 150 USD.
  • 3 3
 shit carbon rims, or proven aluminum mavic hoops.... no brainer to me, why do people bother with budget carbon.
  • 3 6
 300-400 dollars is still way too much, considering the actual production cost is 3-4 dollars. Or maybe 10, whatever it is. And no, the upcharge is not used for design, reserarch, paying employees etc... the upcharge is just pocketed by 2-3 people.
  • 1 0
 Have stories like all the rest - LB rims are amazing!
  • 1 0
 Do they have a website?
  • 2 4
 just bling, won't do anything my current wheels don't (goes for all carbon)
  • 1 4
 U can get all carbon wheels for around that price what a stupid article nothing in biking industry sells for retail

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