Powered by Outside

e*thirteen's Radical Cassette and New Carbon Cranks - Sea Otter 2015

Apr 16, 2015 at 13:48
by Mike Levy  
e thirteen

TRSr and LG1r Carbon Cranksets

e*thirteen has shown new and revised chain guides during the last few tradeshows, but it turns out that they've also been working away on a few new products, including a modular steel and aluminum cassette and some carbon crank sets. The latter will be available in two flavours: TRSr for the trail and enduro crowd, and the LG1r for those who want to drop some weight off their downhill bike. Both accept only direct-mount chain rings. Interestingly, e*thirteen is so confident in the strength of the carbon arms that they are virtually identical between the TRSr and LG1r models, with a longer 83mm spindle (with a different wall thickness) being one of the few things that sets the two apart.

e thirteen
The carbon cranks were also fitted with the company's new forged direct-mount chain rings.
e thirteen
The LG1r cranks sport an 83mm spindle for use on downhill bikes, but the carbon arms are very similar to those used for the TRSr crankset.

The carbon arms are hollow - there's no foam core or aluminum skeleton - and e*thirteen says that they will be among the lightest on the market, which should put them into the same territory as Race Face's Next SL and SIXC offerings. Pricing should be similar, too, although it hasn't been decided on yet. The Hutchinson UR Team has been testing the new cranks under the radar since last summer, but you can expect them to be available by early fall.

EXP Cassette

e*thirteen began offering their Extended Range cog awhile back, but it looks like they've gone from one cog to a whole bunch more. Their new EXP cassette will be available in ten- and eleven-speed options, but with a range that goes from a small 9 tooth cog up to a big 42 tooth pie plate. They'll also offer a downhill-specific eight-speed version that also starts with a 9 tooth cog, with all three requiring XD freehub bodies. That 9 tooth cog is going to make for a tall top-end, which means that you could run a slightly smaller chain ring for improved ground clearance if you wanted to. And while other companies have tested 9 tooth cogs in the past and decided to not go smaller than a 10 or 11, e*thirteen is confident that the design will work just fine on a mountain bike, citing their development work with the Hutchinson UR Team that's been successful.

e thirteen
  The EXP cassette offers a massive 9 - 42 tooth gearing spread.

The 9 tooth cog is interesting, but it's the EXP's construction that really grabbed my attention. Like a lot of high-end cassettes, e*thirteen has gone with a modular design that sees them use aluminum for the largest three cogs and steel for the smaller seven (or eight on the 11-speed cassette), with the idea being that the smaller cogs wear faster and need to be made from a longer lasting material. The difference is how the EXP cassette attaches to the XD freehub body, though, with only the three-cog aluminum section screwing down onto the freehub body's threads with a lock ring. Then, the steel section of cogs actually locks onto those via interlocking feet by turning it to the right, which is how the pressure is applied when you're pedalling.

There's no word on how much the EXP cassette will cost, and it doesn't sound like e*thirteen will offer the steel or aluminum sections separately, but you can expect to see a production version sometime in the fall.

Be sure to check out all of our Sea Otter Classic images in this gallery.

MENTIONS: @ethirteen-components

Author Info:
mikelevy avatar

Member since Oct 18, 2005
2,032 articles

  • 73 3
 'EXP cassette' lets hope its not another EXPensive component that is garenteed to wear out ....
  • 24 0
 If they can keep the cost below Sram and Shimano options, I think there is a definite market. Even if it is over $100, the 9t cog and massive range should make it a very intriguing option.
  • 11 15
flag lukachadwick (Apr 16, 2015 at 14:20) (Below Threshold)
 My riding style is quite aggressive so a 1x10/1x11 setup would be far better suited to me I feel but I can't compromise a lower gear than 36/11 on descents and with the amount of uphills near me a 36 tooth single ring setup would be impractical. This cassette might just be my solution. I believe 32/9 is 'harder' than 36/11? Very interested in seeing more but for me, a component which wears out fairly quickly that costs a whole lotta pennies isn't really affordable. I really hope this comes at a significantly low (in comparison) price tag. That would be perfect Wink
  • 1 0
 Yup, my main concern would be those big aluminium cogs wearing down. And it says they probably aren't going to sell them separately. Props to Leonardi for for offering separate replacement aluminium cogs for their 9-42 cassettes. The Leonardis are pretty pricey, though, at ~$400 for a cassette and ~$100 to replace the aluminium cogs, so it'll be interesting to see how much e*thirteen wants for their cassettes.
  • 2 1
 @lukachadwick so the gear ratio of a 36/11 is 6.6 a 32T would be taller then you want... You could go down to a 30/9 with a ratio of 6.7 witch is still taller Smile
  • 1 1
 @moefosho I doubt this would be that cheap. Most 10-speed non SRAM or Shimano cassettes are $300+ and the only one coming in reasonable is the $130 Praxis. E*Thirteen isn't a cheap brand either. An XD compatible cassette is more expensive to manufacture as well.
They could surprise, but I wouldn't expect under $250, sadly.
  • 19 12
 Been running a Canfield hub with the capreo bottom cogs and general Lee adapter to get 9 x 42t cassette for two years now. People be slow.
  • 7 13
flag BaeckerX1 (Apr 16, 2015 at 18:33) (Below Threshold)
 @whattheheel You've posted this 4 times in under 4 minutes. Nobody cared the first time, and...wait for it...nope, still don't care.
  • 8 8
 Are all people from Denver asshats?
  • 8 5
 No, but I'm sure most don't like self-affirming, starved-for-attention, patronizing spam. Smile
  • 5 5
 When you post the same condescending blurb repeatedly on every thread, you have to expect some flak, no? Wink Trolling or what?
  • 2 0
 I'm not rocket engineer but my expirience tells me that cranking 9t with 27t front (3:1) will be much less efficient than 11t with 33t (same 3:1)
Will be great if anybody can share research on this topic.
  • 2 0
 LOTS of variables involved in the drivetrain loss equation, but here's a paper that reviews the available literature on the subject:
Punchline: 2-5% efficiency loss going from 21 to 11 tooth.
Losses will increase as cogsize decreases.
  • 1 0
 @Veloscente But that's with the same chainring. I wouldn't feel comfortable drawing any conclusions about different sized gears providing the same ratio form that study. The article you linked even says the following:

"But there's another case to consider, which is whether it's more efficient to ride with a 110 mm BCD "compact" crank (for example, a 36/24) or the equivalent gear with a 130 mm BCD "conventional" (for example, a 39/26). Is one more efficient than the other? This question has been discussed in online forums, but I can't say I've seen a clear conclusion on the matter."

It seems to me like the smaller gears might actually be more efficient, since I think less contact area with the chain would mean less friction. Sounds like nobody really knows for sure, though. It'd be interesting to see a study on it.
  • 1 0
 dlxah - review the article. It's a survey of past studies on the subject that attempts a unified model.
If you read carefully, what is clear is that *ALL* previous studies *measured*, under lab conditions an increase in drivetrain efficiency losses as cog size decreased.
This is a reproducible, physical fact.
The question is not *if* losses get worse with even smaller cogs, but by how much?
Changing other variables like chainring size, chain wear, chain contamination, lubrication, etc. will change the order of magnitude, but not the laws of physics.
  • 1 0
 I have read the article. Interesting stuff, but I do not see how you could reasonably draw that conclusion from any of the studies discussed. The main problem is none of the studies controlled for gear ratio as far as I can tell. Furthermore, I've already quoted the author posing the exact question we're trying to answer here and stating that he or she is unable to draw a solid conclusion. Without further evidence, any statements about the comparative efficiency of different sized gears producing the same gear ratio would be little more than speculation.
  • 67 14
 Just a WARNING to everyone out there!

Do not buy the new E13 cranks. I have the 2015 LG1R cranks on my DH bike, after 4 months the BB needed replacing as it has developed a reasonable amount of play. I contacted E13 as I was unsure on removal as they did not come with any instructions. They gave me a link to a 'How To' guide which also told me what extracting tool I would need. After purchasing the tool and following the guide with no success I handed the bike over to my bike shop who also were unable to remove them! They contacted Silverfish the UK E*Thirteen distributor who stated that this is a common fault with this crank system.
They told them they had spoken to many customers that had either cut the cranks off or were not going to put the crank system back on once removed.
They advised we do the same, and that cutting them off was our only option.

E*Thirteen have not replied to any of my emails I have sent about warranty replacement or offered any help or assistance and have put me off buying any of there products ever again (I have also previously snapped a pair of there LG1+ pedals in half).

It is also worth notting the UR Polygon team are still running the older crank design maybe for this reason...
  • 8 18
flag TyranT21 (Apr 16, 2015 at 15:49) (Below Threshold)
 Hang on a minute, so to clear things up you CUT your cranks off and are now trying to get a warranty on them...
  • 14 1
 TyranT21 > Wouldn't you ask for a warranty return if your cranks had such a design or manufacturing defect that the only way to remove them was to cut them off?
  • 4 6
 Nah, you send them back stuck and you don't put a saw near them, warranty instantly void...
  • 16 0
 If you guys read the comment, he did not say he cut them off. He says he was told that OTHER people had cut them off.
Seems a bit much to have to ship your entire bike to another country, or another continent, for warranty.
Have you tried backing out the bolt halfway and hammering hard on the bolt head with a rubber or plastic mallet?
  • 11 0
 Bump this post up see how E13 responds.
  • 27 2
 My shop sold e13 products from about 2010 to 2013 and amazingly, every single item failed. Yes, a 100% failure rate. Some parts failed from premature wear, some from catastrophic failure. First time I've seen broken crank arms in person. Warranty replacements: zero. We paid for many pedal bearing rebuild kits, and to my chagrin, about a year into buying pedal bearings (that I gave to my customers free of charge) e13 says: "by the way, we revised our bearing design and will sell you the latest ones." At that point I boycotted their products. I hate posting a comment like this, but I think people should be warned. Buyer beware.
  • 2 2
 Cannondale SI SL still the best crank you can get and run it on any bike!
  • 2 2
 Never had an issue with my E13 crankset and BB :F likewise my local Halfords had no issue with it. I remember someone saying that had a problem with an E13 BB but as soon as they replaced its been running good ever since.
  • 16 0
 I'd love to try the 9-42 setup with the 11 speed XT stuff that is coming out. Of course as long as the cassette is priced competitively.
  • 1 0
 I'd expect it to be priced competitively with XX1, not XT.
  • 11 1
 Another ludicrously expensive sub-standard part that will last about a month! My e13 TRS+ wheels broke April last year when 6 weeks old, I'm yet to have them properly replaced! Email contact from e13 is non-existent, more chance of hitting the sun with a snowball!

DO NOT BUY!!! Awful
  • 5 0
 This is *exactly* my buddy's experience with his defective e13 cranks. *Zero* customer service.
With so much great gear on the market, it boggles the mind that hacks like e13 can stay in business.
Must be the pretty ano for the fashion victims...
  • 2 0
 The bearings in my TRS race hubs were ruined after 4 weeks riding, they sent me a nice new set of enduro bearings and they work sweet as now.

Not good that the bearings were crap in the first place though. Definitely put me off buying e.13 again. Shame as I really like the look of lots of their kit.

I'd suggest (if you haven't) you should try through the shop you bought them or the distributor for your country (think it was Silverfish in the UK) if you don't hear from e.13.
  • 1 0
 Unfortunately mine came with my YT Industries bike, whose customer service is so utterly awful I sold the bike and bought something else as sending anything to them on warranty usually takes 3 months+

I really have no idea how some of these companies stay in business. I now have a British Bird Cycleworks and Superstar wheels, any problems are sorted within the week!
  • 1 0
 I've have very similar issues! Bought a yt wicked pro which came with trs+ wheel set. The bearings have been awful! They seized within 2 months of ownership. I dropped e.13 an email notifying them I wasn't happy, and I expected at least new bearings as my wheel fails to turn! I'm yet to receive a reply even though it was a few months ago.

I don't understand how they can sell products with such a high price tag with bearings that fail in such a short time. It definately puts me off ever buying e.13 again, which is a shame as some of the new stuff they are releasing looks pretty nice.
  • 8 1
 So Shimano finally gets sort of close with the 11-42 XT groupset (382% range), and one day later e13 craps on their parade with a 9-42 upgrade for SRAM (466% range).

I'd love to buy a Shimano 1x drivetrain, but damn, the thought of running like a 36T upfront and not giving up anything on the climbs is just too tempting.

Running this cassette would give you a range just short of a standard 2x 10 speed (472% range). If you could somehow wrangle that 44T cog onto it, you'd actually beat it at 488% range.
  • 4 0
 Im seriously considering buying an XT 1x11 setup with this cassette and a 32t ring up front. Should be one sick ass combo
  • 6 5
 Shimano will be doing 11-46 cassettes in not too long, then all of this aftermarket shit will be useless
  • 4 0
 @bgmullan Except these cassettes with 10t and 9t cogs will give you the same gear range using smaller cogs, so they can be a little lighter (e.g. 9-38t is slightly more range than 11-46t, but all of the cogs are smaller). Plus you can use a smaller chainring and a shorter derailleur, which saves a little more weight and increases ground clearance. Sure there may some downsides as well, but I definitely wouldn't call these cassettes useless.
  • 2 0
 @tsheep Expect this cassette to be priced more along the lines of XX1 though. So XT is still very attractive for 1x10 riders who refuse the high cost of SRAM 11-speed.
  • 7 15
flag whattheheel (Apr 16, 2015 at 18:20) (Below Threshold)
 Been running a Canfield hub with the capreo bottom cogs and general Lee adapter to get 9 x 42t cassette for two years now. People be slow.
  • 1 0
 XD driver requirement is a bummer... I know the smaller than 11t calls for it.. anyways, more options..better.. they should also offer 10sp high range full cassette along with this 11sp w/ 9t cog
  • 1 0
 With glacial rocks scattered around much of the local riding area, we've got great technical trails with lots of chainring destroying rocks. A 9 tooth on the cassette seems appealing because it allows downsizing of the chainring and increased ground clearance. After running a 28x17 singlespeed 29er, the larger chainrings on my geared bikes seem needlessly in the way. Around here a 28 x 9-42 setup would be excellent. Plenty of low and high ratios, and improved ground clearance.
  • 2 1
 Seriously? E13 is so far off the back qualitywise, Shimano can't even see them in the rearview mirror. It's like they tapped the ghost of early-90s Ringle and made a bunch of pretty anodized crap out of explosium.
Read up & down this page. Like all the e13 owners I know, every single e13 owner weighing in here reports that their stuff breaks. Fast. Every time.
Caveat emptor.
  • 1 0
 @Veloscente That's unfortunate. I'm really excited to see some more options for wide range 10 and 11 speed XD cassettes. Hopefully E13 can finally get their poo together on this one, but I won't get me hopes up.
  • 8 0
 God damn it's chaos in the driveterran game lately
  • 7 0
 It's great. By the time I can afford a new bike it'll all be figured out!
  • 5 0
 Is it just me or are manufacturers slowly going towards the old cheap and nasty Shimano 'MEGARANGE' cassettes we used to see on BSOs in the 90s www.cycle9.com/c9store/images/12Days/fw7spd1434.jpg
  • 3 0
 A little bit - that new 44t XX1 adapter cog... sigh.
  • 4 0
 I'm wondering how well it will shift. It's likely a prototype, not a finished product, but regardless, the ramps look far less refined than what SRAM or Shimano produce.
  • 3 0
 it does look rather simple in comparison to shimano or sram. hopefully that is preproduction. no point having a huge gear spread if it shifts like shit
  • 5 1
 Oh man a 10 speed 9-42 would be such a rad upgrade for a lot of set ups without having to invest in the full 11sp groupset....only an xd driver which is very reasonable.
  • 1 0
 Hell yeah man, I'm eager to see how much they're going to cost. The only other wide range 10 speed XD cassettes I'm aware of are Leonardi's, but those are $400. For that price, you might actually be better off getting a GX groupset. Although the Leonardi cassettes are lighter than XX1 and they're available now, so it is still kind of temping.
  • 1 0
 I've been saying the same to Praxis (though just 10-40) but I think the issue is that, while an XD driver isn't outrageus, the manufacturing of an XD compatible cassette is complex and costly. So if you are looking for bang for buck, the new XT will likely be the way to go and cassettes like this will be available should you have the cash to spend and the need for the range over 11-42.
  • 2 12
flag whattheheel (Apr 16, 2015 at 18:21) (Below Threshold)
 Been running a Canfield hub with the capreo bottom cogs and general Lee adapter to get 9 x 42t cassette for two years now. People be slow.
  • 1 0
 @kc358 Do you mean 11-40? I can't find any info on a Praxis 10-40 cassette.
  • 1 0
 @dlxah I meant I have been telling Praxis they should build a 10-40t 10-speed. They don't make one.
  • 1 0
 @kc358 Ah, yeah that would be nice. I'd love to see some more options for wider range 10 speed XD cassettes especially something priced a little more competitively than the Leonardi products.
  • 2 0
 I like the EXP cassette and hopefully it will be way less expensive than srams options. But i think theres still place in the cassette market for a fresh company offering a 11 speed cassette for a reasonable price. For example why does a company like hope (etc.) with all its CNC-skills just not bring out a cheaper cassette with interchangeable rings? There just would bee no reason not to buy it!
  • 1 1
 It is coming: Shimano just announced a $100 11spd. XT cassette. As for the others, the sad truth is it is exceptionally difficult to make a product that can compete with the shifting performance of Shimano & Sram. Those companies have spent millions on R&D year after year for many years to make their stuff near-flawless in performance.
Every alternate cassette design that has entered the market since the advent of cassettes has always debuted as low-volume, high-cost, and with major durability and/or performance compromises.
Don't hold your breath on this one.
  • 2 0
 I'm not saying this is nothing new, since this is 11 speed but why have 9 tooth gears on non XD hubs not been around before now. This is kinda like this: www.pinkbike.com/news/Ten-Speed-and-the-Nine-Tooth-Cassette-Cog.html

I really like the idea of 9 tooth cogs if they do in fact last - almost more of a pull for me than it being 11 speed. Means you can have a smaller chain ring, and a smaller largest ring on the cassette - or open up even lower gears for climbing.

I'd love to know what happened with that Hope prototype, 9 tooth on a normal hub would be great.
  • 2 1
 9t cogs don't fit on a standard freehub body. The smallest you can go is 11t. One of the major benefits of an XD driver is that it allows for 10t and 9t cogs. That Hope cassette would also require a special hub. And there is another downside to Hope's design. The freehub body and the cassette are one piece, so when your cassette wears our you have to replace the freehub body as well.
  • 5 4
 I'd be interested in taking a look at the cassette when I arrive tomorrow. It seems like an interesting take on the 11sp cassette knowing that when things wear out, you dont need to throw your whole 300 buck cassette away (*chough*SRAM*chough*). I'm worried with the 9t not having enough chain wrap though...
  • 5 0
 Even with the different materials, by the time one part of the cassette and the chain wears out, you'll have to replace the other section too. New chains don't play nice with old cassettes.
  • 1 0
 First off, the article says e13 does NOT intend to offer the alu cogs separately. Secondly, even if they did, their alloy wears so fast you'd be replacing those cogs monthly.
  • 4 2
 Don't the SRAM 11 speed cassettes use steel for the 9-36 range, then aluminum only for the 42t? Seems like you'll get more wear out of the e-13 cassette with 3 aluminum rings, but I could be wrong.
  • 1 1
 Yes, that's correct.
  • 3 0
 Sram does not have a 9T cog but yes only the biggest cog is aluminum on Sram 11 speed cassettes.
  • 1 2
 Yeah, the SRAM cassette runs a 9t as the smallest.
  • 3 1
 Wrong, smallest cogs available from companies that do not suck: SRAM = 10, Shimano = 11
  • 3 0
 Why the hell did I think it was 9? Ugh. Thanks man!
  • 2 1
 My buddy burned through an E13 chainring in ONE MONTH of normal trail riding. They blew him off when he called to warranty it. I wouldn't pay a d@mn red cent for the swiss cheese alloys they use, much less a cassette with 3 aluminum cogs!
  • 3 2
 I will never ever buy anything from e.13 again. I bought e.13 fully equipped bike last year and this is experience with following during max 30 days (!) of riding :

LG1 wheels:
1. Rims dents way too easily. In fact way easier than MTX33 which I've had before
2. Bearings in rear hub has significant drag. Even after gen2 axle upgrade. The preload can be set up either with drag, or play.
3. The tall flange construction of hubs significantly changes the angle of spokes. The rims eyelets are not angled though. Therefore all spokes are bent significantly right where they meet the nipple. At first no problems, but after about 20 days of riding they started to break. Record is 4 spokes per wheel in one day! I changed spokes to DT swiss but it does not really solve the poor engineering design.
Therefore not looking forward the BOOST thing unless rims will be adapted.

38t chainring - Slightly bent. No impact, only pedaling.

LG1+ chainguide - Pieces of the taco guard were broken off after flying rock impact. The roller cage has broken (ok, maybe because of high bolt torque though) Would have expected stronger impact resistance though..

LG1r crankset - significant bearing drag. Luckily I sold them before anything happened. Friend of mine managed to bend left crank while riding.

And the design for 2016? Seriously? The looks of every other Chineese component brand. The cassette looks like garage engeneering... 9t sprocket.. check what the bmx guys have to say about it.

Never ever e.13...
  • 4 0
 Looks like I'm the only person who hasnt had any trouble with an E13 crankset.
#Winning Smile
  • 3 0
 that's why I love mountain bikes so much it keeps on going _______O^O______
  • 3 0
 I'm just stoked that it is 10spd. 11 is such an arbitrary number.... My ocd won't let me use 11spd.
  • 2 0
 You might be in for an interesting time in 5-10 years. Does 12 speed work ok?
  • 1 0
 12 is still a better number than 11. At least it's an even dozen.
  • 5 1
 The best chain guides The shittiest everything else
  • 1 0
 The more options for wide range clusters the better. I would be very happy with a 12 40 . Chain rings are Al so wear is not a huge issue. Still I would be happy with a heavy steel version.
  • 4 1
 So a company was looking into having a smaller 9T ring...
  • 1 1
 It's already been done. Leonardi already sells a 9-42t 10 speed cassette. They have a 9-38t too but they discontinued it.
  • 2 14
flag whattheheel (Apr 16, 2015 at 18:23) (Below Threshold)
 Been running a Canfield hub with the capreo bottom cogs and general Lee adapter to get 9 x 42t cassette for two years now. People be slow.
  • 3 1
 Can anyone say approx how much weight these cranks would save from a set of 2014 Saint cranks?
  • 1 0
 Hard to saw without knowing the actual weight of the E13s, but if they really are competitive with the Next SL and SIXC cranksets, then you're looking at saving over half a pound.
  • 3 1
 I wish someone would make a new gearbox "standard". Gearboxes make way too much sense though.
  • 1 0
 Race Face Next SL Carbon Crank. It is the lightest production mtb crankset. Super stiff power transfer. This one looks nice also.
  • 3 1
 Those cranks have gotten my attention,start saving now.
  • 4 1
 9 tooth....ftw
  • 2 1
 All of the riders power is going to that 1/4" of contact with the freehub. That's gonna be interesting...
  • 3 1
 It's the same contact point as the XX1 cassette, which haven't been having issues with it. It actually works better than a standard cassette since the area is like twice the size of the contact area of a standard cassette, no more gouged splines.
  • 2 0
 The point of XD (other than allowing a smaller cog) is that it puts more surface area in contact than a standard cassette/freehub interface. While current freehubs can gouge, this design is more resistant.
  • 5 3
 XT 11 speed crushes this garbage.
  • 2 4
 It really doesn't.
  • 2 1
 And what math exactly are you using to back that up? Or is this just blatant fanboyism?
  • 2 0
 It's called knowledge, and it comes from years of working on bikes. Math is no more a factor than voodoo.
  • 3 0
 Not you seraph, kmg0. Not seeing how XT 11 speed is somehow way better despite having way less range.
  • 2 1
 Actually, it's called history & earning your rep. Shimano has been making the most reliable drivetrain components on earth since 1921.
If you have a warranty case, *they fix it.* Period.
Read up and down this page for what e13 has been up to.
  • 1 0
 @Veloscente - Every E.13 part that has come through the shop for warranty has been fully covered, and in some cases upgraded. So to me they've more than earned their rep.

Another part is personal opinion. You say that Shimano has been making the most reliable drivetrain components on Earth since 1921. While they have certainly been making bicycle drivetrains for a long time, I wouldn't go so far as to call them the most reliable. I have found that I warranty far more Shimano components than SRAM or even Campagnolo.
  • 2 0
 Relationships matter. Evidently you have one w/ e13. Like my riding buddy, vast majority of those posting here were simply blown off or ignored when they tried to contact e13 directly. They laughed in my buddy's face when he said their ring was faulty for wearing out in less than 200miles.
You may be tight w/ them, but a*holes like that will never see a dime of my money, and that's even before you consider how easily their stuff fails.

As for Shimano, I'm an ex-industry guy & competitive cyclist going into his 4th decade in the game.
I literally have personally put in tens of thousands of miles on SRAM, Shimano & Campy stuff, and have both the hands-on & industry knowledge to call BS here.
1) Campy: Shimano outsells Campy 14-1. With the exception of those creaky splined crank axles, Campy still makes some decent stuff. Their chains & cogs, for example, are excellent. Since Shimano is 14x more prevalent, however, then you are logically going to see a larger number of warranty cases. There is a reason Campy doesn't make MTB components any more: they simply could not make stuff that performed reliably in the dirt.
2) SRAM - because they bought Truvative, SRAM makes the most failure-prone cranks in the biz. They also own the Avid fiasco they've only just recently begun to turn around. Chains? Hands down worst wear & performance of the big 4 (they're also well behind KMC): proven year in & out by the drivetrain wear tests pubished by independent testers like Tour or Bike magazine. SRAM derailleurs also wear far faster at the pivots than Shimano. This isn't a warranty case, you're just getting 20-25% less wear for your money. Techs in all of our biggest & best local shops refuse to run SRAM or sell it to their buddies for that reason.
And this is just comparing Shimano to the ones who survived to keep things interesting: Suntour, Mavic, Miche, Regina, Simplex, Ofmega and others crashed & burned out of the gruppo business because they couldn't keep the pace.
  • 1 0
 Edit: oops meant to reply to another comment.
  • 1 1
 just buy a canfield brothers wheel, they have been doing the 9 and 10t for a couple years now. people be slow for sure...
  • 5 5
 that cassette setup is going to creak like nobody's business.
  • 5 1
 Slow down Buddy... don't you think you should save some of that hate for SRAM stuff? I hear bikerumor has 1x Road posted, take your negativity over there...
  • 1 2
 Seeeee!!! 8 speed is the way forward!! My eight year old S-X5 and X7 setup lives on!!
  • 1 1
 No question these are going to cost a mint.
  • 1 0
 Das plain brilliante
  • 1 1
 What I see is

  • 1 2
 Always the Best ---E13!!
Below threshold threads are hidden

Copyright © 2000 - 2024. Pinkbike.com. All rights reserved.
dv65 0.042696
Mobile Version of Website