Fast XC Bikes, Dropper Posts, Suspension Wheels, Tiny Seats - Eurobike 2016

Sep 1, 2016 at 23:40
by Mike Levy  
Eurobike 2016

Eurobike 2016

Nino's Spark

Is this the fastest cross-country mountain bike in Germany? More like the world, actually. You're looking at one of the Scott Spark race bikes that Swiss beast Nino Schurter had been racing aboard during the 2016 season, a year that's seen him add a bunch of World Cup wins to his resume, as well as another National Championship and a gold medal at this little cross-country race that went down in Brazil not long ago. It's probably fair to say that Schurter is happy with how 2016 played out.

His 100mm-travel Spark race rig is a big departure from the full-suspension bike that he raced last season, and it's even bigger step away from the hardtail that we used to see him on so often. He's been on 29'' wheels all year, whereas we'd usually see him on a 27.5'' wheeled bike before the Spark was released. As you'd expect, Nino's bike is kitted out with mega-light carbon wheels from DT Swiss, as well as a fork and shock from the same people, and a SRAM Eagle drivetrain. This machine is running standard cross-country race rubber, but another of Nino's bikes on display at Eurobike is sporting a set of custom made Dugast tubular tires that glue onto the rim. I bet he doesn't skid much on those bad boys.


Ritchey's Dropper Post

Eurobike 2016
Who isn't debuting a new dropper post at this year's Eurobike show? This is Ritchey's entry, the WCS, that comes in an internally routed version only and with 125mm of travel. The WCS features mechanical internals that offer three positions: fully dropped, fully raised, and a 30mm drop setting for when you might still need to put down the power. The WCS's remote is a super super thumb paddle that's long enough to provide a good amount of leverage, and the remote comes with mounts to bolt to either Shimano's I-Spec or SRAM's MatchMaker shared lever/shifter mounts.

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Ritchey knows that the air-sprung WCS isn't breaking any new ground, but they explained that they focused on reliability and ease of service rather than pushing the limits of design. With that in mind, the WCS can be disassembled with basic tools, and the low air spring pressure (as low as just 15 PSI) puts only minimal stress on the system's seals. It seems like a lot of dropper posts are becoming much more reliable than what we had to deal with a few years ago, so another one that doesn't blow up after a few days of riding can only be a good thing, assuming that the WCS runs as well as Ritchey claims.

Ritchey's WCS dropper weighs 449-grams (without the remote), and it will retail for between $300 and $350 USD when it becomes available in January of 2017.



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The SoftWheel

Three shocks inside a wheel have to be better than no shocks inside a wheel, right? Okay, so the SoftWheel isn't really for us mountain bikers, but it's interesting enough to take a look. The company says that putting the shocks inside of the rim ''allows the hub and suspension to 'react' inside the wheel,'' which minimizes vibrations being passed up through to the rider. You know, like how suspension does... To be fair, it looks like the SoftWheel system is designed for bikes that don't have any suspension, and it's actually pretty clever. The shocks aren't metric, by the way.

The shocks extend as well as compress, so as the bottom shock goes into its travel the two above it extend, thereby letting the hub actually move down towards the rim. SoftWheel offers sizes for all sorts of bikes, but also for wheelchairs. Their website even says that they're developing an automotive version.



SDG Fly saddle

SDG's I-Fly Jr

Kids have some pretty great machinery these days, and it's only going to get better, but they're often spending their saddle-time sitting on an oversized (to them) adult seat or, even worse, a BMX seat that was never really made for anyone to spend much time perched upon. With smaller dimensions that are proportionally correct, SDG's new I-Fly Jr is made specifically for little people who need a seat that won't scare them away from mountain biking. The scaled-down, $39.95 USD I-Fly Jr also has padding of a different, softer density to work better for lighter weight bodies.

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78 Comments
  • 79 12
 Softwheel is probably the dumbest idea since flex stem.
First that's not even new (comes from 19th century), then your going to loose energy at every wheel revolution, no matter if it's rough or smooth, not very clever for human propulsion and bad for motor efficiency.
Unless they add lockout to each shock...
  • 17 0
 Agreed, but I look forward to the day we have sci-fi smartwheels. Like this but with active suspension, and lots more shocks, laser scans the terrain ahead, should fix the issue you raise Smile Mind you I have enough trouble keeping 1 fork + shock in working order, maybe having more isn't such a great plan after all!
  • 14 1
 Make it quite firm with a fair bit of low speed compression damping and it actually makes a lot of sense for wheelchairs and other low speed solutions for people with impaired mobility. I totally agree that is worse than stupid for any application where there is already suspension.....such as bikes. Remind me why they're showing this at eurobike?!
  • 18 0
 Soft wheels like this and the hoop wheel would be awesome on my son's wheelchair. They have their place, but that's not on an mtb or in the peleton.
  • 1 0
 lock out... or! specialized brain technology. total win. not pivhamrende snotdumt overhovedet!
  • 8 0
 It also look like it weighs 1000lbs.
  • 6 0
 That wheel reminds me of Isle of Man.
  • 1 0
 It will be interesting to put it in a 415mm long chainstay frame and see what happens
  • 3 2
 Oh, come on. They could totally rig some tubing and valving between the shocks to prevent the energy loss when pedaling. All you have to do is plumb it so that the three shocks cannot all compress or extend simultaneously. It wouldn't weigh that much more and could be made totally reliable. Totally.
  • 3 1
 @blahblahbikes: It might not be what we want, but I'm glad someone is trying stuff that's genuinely outside the box. One of these days, one of the oddball radical ideas might actually work Smile
  • 3 0
 @blahblahbikes: because eurobike!

I can guarantee you that this is not even close to being the dumbest product trying to be sold in there.

In fact if someone wants a bullet proof idea is just going around Eurobike taking pictures of dumb stuff then putting it on a poster with a caption and sell it as a motivational poster. Like: if they have confidence in thinking someone will buy an hydraulic handlebar you can ask that girl out.
  • 2 1
 Tioga Disc Drive
  • 2 0
 That softwheel, is just another piece of the Akira bike puzzle. Wink Razz
  • 3 1
 @fercho25: I really want this poster.
  • 2 1
 Reminds me of the smart wheels from Snow Crash.
  • 1 0
 @redshift: exactly. ps don't look at this bitmap haha [: .:: . .:: .. :. :: ..: .:]
  • 2 1
 It does not appear they designed it for use on high performance mountain bikes. The market for this would seem to be existing bikes that have no suspension, perhaps a city bike for example or as mentioned, wheelchairs.
  • 1 1
 they have been pushing this at wheelchair trade shows for a few years(2-3). literally the worst thing i have ever seen ot pushed.

it would only work for .5% of the population in chairs. you may as well let the air out of a wheelchair users tires and tell em to push cause thats what it feels like.
  • 1 0
 just imagine the bushings alone
  • 1 0
 @oodboo: not when you consider how heavy they are!
  • 5 0
 Setting a sag must be pretty complicated.
  • 19 0
 Looks like that wheel would compliment a pair of suspension grips and a disconnecting freehub.
  • 16 9
 And a damping headset... how about we just take a BMX to the woods pick some psilocibes and experience floating through the trails like on a magic carpet (and talking deer, maybe a badger playing a banjo - can't have one without the other... sorry)
  • 10 0
 well good luck truing that
  • 12 5
 So many dropper posts these days, why can't anyone build them longer! 125mm and 150mm is not enough for a lot of us.
  • 9 1
 I suspect that the number of frames able to take a 170mm+ dropper (without the seat being too high) is relatively limited, which probably makes it not as financially viable to sell them.

I have a bike that will take a 170mm dropper (just) but it's an XL bike with a 490mm (straight) seat tube, which is rare (it's a Nicolai). I don't know too many other folk where it'd work on their bikes.
  • 2 0
 2017 reverb coming in 170mm
  • 5 0
 Gotta be hard to engineer something to withstand the leverage without being obnoxiously heavy.
  • 2 0
 @hellhound089: 2016 Reverb is already 170 mm. And it fits a lot of frames already. It might not mount all the way into the seatpost on many, but it still provides 170 mm and can provide the full range that a tall guy needs.
  • 6 7
 I am waiting for Stan's to release their own dropper. The only thing I am thinking of with so many options is: "poor bike mechanics"
  • 1 0
 @spinorama: Probably Rockshox are one of the only companies shifting enough posts to make it commercially doable (at the moment).

All these new companies coming on the market are fighting for a smaller slice of the pie, and almost no OEM (which all goes to RS and KS), so 125mm and 150mm, where the bulk of need is, is going to be the best option. Even 150mm will be pushing it for many.
  • 1 0
 There is the nukeproof oklo with 170mm and I think 9point8 has one with 170mm too.
  • 2 0
 more supply=lower prices
  • 1 0
 Lil birdy on my shoulder has seen a ks 175
  • 1 0
 I don't need to insert my post all the way into the seat tube. And I'm not sure those who are wanting 150+ need to either. I could understand if it interfered with the maximum drop though and made the seat too high for the descents even at the lowest setting.

While I've wanted a 170+ post, all I can foresee is less and less reliability. I'd be just as happy and comfortable if bike manufacturers made seat tubes longer, at least in the XL size. Then I'd have no problem with a 150 post.

Currently 495mm~ is pretty common seat tube length in XL. Specialized, commencal, and a couple others are at 525mm~a little over an inch longer. At 495mm STL with 150mm post I can't quite reach good leg extension, and the post is at its minimum insertion depth(where top tube meets seat tube, not post manufacturer suggestion) and just looks ridiculous. When it's dropped though, it does feel out of the way enough.

So....longer, more unreliable posts or longer seat tubes with less standover height? Anybody else feel similar? I feel the masses don't have this problem and they just want more dropper travel to get the seat lower and more out of the way.
  • 2 0
 @recipher: I can't even fit a fox 150mm...
  • 1 0
 If you need a long one, just get the 9point8 Fall Line and be done. Drops of 175 and 200 are available and you can shim it too, so if a 194 is what you're looking for you can make one.
  • 1 0
 @pmiddletonz: 175 and 200mm from 9point8. I just got a 175.
  • 1 0
 @DrPete: not available as yet in the UK
  • 1 0
 @jcarn: Is it not possible to order direct from Canada? Didn't realize that. That's a shame.
  • 8 1
 My post is 2 years older than the Ritchey and it has a Super super SUPER Thumb paddle, so late to the game brah.
  • 8 0
 The Soft Wheel is an awesome idea for wheel chairs!
  • 2 7
flag Patrick9-32 (Sep 2, 2016 at 0:44) (Below Threshold)
 Unless you want to get somewhere. On a normal suspension system your suspension compresses and takes a little bit of energy when you go over a bump. On this, three shocks compress every rotation of the wheel and each of those compressions takes a little bit of energy...or you have to set it so stiff they don't compress and then it is pointless...or you have to have no rebound damping and then it is a pogo stick...
  • 4 1
 @Patrick9-32: So suspension is pointless if there's a compromise? We can all pedal more efficiently on a hard tail be we chose to ride full suspension. Why is that? We compromise on efficiency for the advantages that suspension offer.
  • 5 1
 @dglobulator: This doesn't offer any advantages over standard suspension though, it is heavier, more expensive, less efficient and uglier than a bag of salted dicks.
  • 7 0
 @Patrick9-32: To be honest I'd have to take your opinion on all those points, especially the salted dicks. I can't even find those on the internet.
  • 3 0
 @Patrick9-32: Manual wheelchairs apply the drive to the outside (rim) whereas bikes apply it to the hub.
For Manual wheelchairs I can see this being a good solution, though likely expensive.
  • 2 0
 @dglobulator: Salted dicks are a niche market. You have to know just the right artisanal grocery collective.
  • 1 0
 @Konda: It isn't just when you apply the drive power but just rolling along too, you are essentially transferring your weight on and off of three shocks every wheel rotation (6 shocks with the two wheels), each of those weight transfers and compressions takes a little bit of power, you don't get anything for free.
  • 1 0
 @Patrick9-32: I won't argue that it's stupid to use 3 shocks (6 for a wheelchair) where one or two would work fine, but some LSC would eliminate the issue you're talking about. The compression that happens to each shock as the wheel rotates would be VERY low speed.

The only benefit I can see is that you can put them on any wheelchair, and not have to buy a suspension wheelchair frame (those probably exist but I have no idea).
  • 1 0
 @bkm303: kinda relying on all 6 shocks being set up EXACTLY the same, otherwise you're going to get a pretty bumpy ride. If one shock loses it's LSC your chair would roll along like a clown bike with an off-centre spoked wheel!
Simple & elegant solutions win out, complicated ugly ones don't. Especially in cycling.
  • 9 2
 But WHY!!!!! Do we now need metric shocks for our wheels??? Take my money
  • 10 8
 Theoretically this technology could allow for a variable wheelsize via bar mounted remote...
  • 6 1
 @WAKIdesigns: just what we need, another lever, where do I sign lol
  • 5 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Yeah, now we only need a rim and tyre which can vary in size ;-)
  • 8 5
 @lkubica: for Engineering and Science there is no such thing as impossible. It's a matter of time and resources (read: we need to get a Saudi prince into mountain biking)
  • 4 4
 @WAKIdesigns: how would it change the wheel size?? Just because you extend or compress the shocks, the rim won't change it's diameter.
  • 4 0
 Maybe we need droppers inside the wheel, then we can bounce along with those lowrider cars Smile
  • 2 0
 Climb at the 29" setting, drop the rim closer to the hub, and rip the descent at 26" for maximum fun.
  • 1 0
 @jfkusa: you'd still get the 29" rollover benefits! And an ultra low bb, which we all know is essential for modern mtb.
  • 1 0
 Any specs regarding weight and other mounting versions of the kids saddle? An I-beam-version of the SDG Jr seat would look great on the bike of our daughter...
www.pinkbike.com/photo/13894785
  • 1 1
 The soft wheel looks clever and probably works but is it needed or just been made for something to do and make a little cash, seems there's to many companies making products that us the riders haven't asked for. 27.5" wheels spring to mind, the change to the metric system for rear shocks , 110 boost.
Im well up for progression within my sport but the need to create the next big thing seems more important than anything else, and forget the grass roots guys who just want good quality reliable gear .

Rant over.......
  • 3 2
 I think the spark with the Dugast tubular tires is the one from Jenny Rissveds and not Nino Schurter because he use classic tubless now and she don't. It's still an olympic champion bike
  • 1 0
 Wheel chair would be terrible, the hand rail would be in a different place every time you try to grab it as the rim moves around the hub
  • 1 0
 I find it funny that the interviewer says Nino was 'Dugast tires glued to the rim' at Eurobike but the picture obviously shows him using Maxxis tires! xD Maybe Ikons
  • 4 0
 Good dj seat
  • 1 0
 Rase 9

The head moved - didn't matter at all . Know alls killed it .

Mine still works great after 4 + years
  • 1 0
 This years Eurobike is about dropper posts... ...and E-Bikes, tons of E-Bikes
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy does the ritchey come in 27.2? Otherwise it won't fit any of their frames, correct?
  • 2 0
 I want DHX's in my wheel if I ever get one.
  • 1 0
 The softwheel...that thing looks light as a feather.
  • 2 1
 Nino's chainring... because not all men were created equal
  • 1 0
 man 2017 is gonna be a great year for mountain biking

/s
  • 1 0
 Would love to see that I-Fly Jr next to a regular seat or with some scale.
  • 1 0
 Softwheel for wheelchairs sounds brilliant though.
  • 1 0
 Those wheels might be amazing for wheelchair applications!
  • 1 0
 looks like prime rib







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