Fox's 29'' DH Fork... and Mondraker's 29er DH Bike?

Apr 15, 2017 at 12:28
by Mike Levy  
It doesn't get much more obvious than this, does it? Fox mechanic Kolja Schmitt posted a photo of the company's upcoming 29er DH fork to his personal Instagram page yesterday, all but confirming confirming the non-stop off-season rumors that many of the sport's largest teams will be moving from 27.5'' to 29'' wheels for their World Cup DH race effort.


Fox 29er DH fork


Fox had no official comment when questioned, but it's a safe bet that the new fork, which has the not so creative name of the '49,' will use the same RAD internals as the 27.5'' 40 that their racers have been on. The 49 will have a different offset compared to the standard 40, and surely a bit less travel as well - 29'' wheels generally don't require as much stroke, and its axle-to-crown length would be massive if it were sporting 200mm of travel. My guess is that most riders on the 49 will run around 180mm or 190mm. Remember that photo of Santa Cruz's Greg Minnaar on a long-travel 29er with a dual-crown fork from back in December? The new 49 pictured above is the outcome of that, and many other test sessions, and the whispers of a 29'' wheeled V10 have to be true.

The other thing to note is the bike that the 49 is bolted to. Check out that distinctive shadow that looks a lot like a Mondraker Summum - will we see Danny Hart and the rest of the team on 29'' wheels this season? It sure looks like it.


479 Comments

  • + 421
 What's that? The sound of a thousand heads exploding....
  • + 306
 I sense a disturbance in the force, as if a thousand wallets shrieked out in pain as yet *another* trend was about to be set in the mtb world
  • + 48
 I don't know whether it's a hartattack or a stroke, but that fork is really shocking!
  • + 307
 @Bushamster21: Meanwhile, back here on Mos Eisley I am still rocking a 26" V10 with all the other scum and villains.
  • + 43
 i'm more interested if this will bring the sexy back of rough raw tracks
  • + 2
 What a monster, jus tcan imagine the BROOOAP !
  • - 10
flag GOrtho (Apr 15, 2017 at 13:21) (Below Threshold)
 This is sure to put a damper on 27.5 bike purchases this spring I would vulpine.
  • + 107
 @GOrtho: but but ... but i just upgraded to 27.5.....
  • + 28
 I hate life right now.
  • - 29
flag torero (Apr 15, 2017 at 14:00) (Below Threshold)
 RIP downhill
  • + 11
 @bashhard: ack ack ack ack ... You oughta know by now....
  • + 79
 Anyone remember Mitch Ropelato beating Aaron Gwin on a 29er?

www.pinkbike.com/news/Opinion-Mitch-Ropelato-Wins-Fontana-DH-on-a-29er-Trail-Bike.html

...also,
Anyone remember Sam Hill winning twice in 2014 on a 26" aluminum bike?
  • - 57
flag scary1 (Apr 15, 2017 at 15:16) (Below Threshold)
 HAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
Nothing better than watching the" 26FL! "crowd slowly and permanently run out of tire options!

Waaah!
  • + 131
 Now all the DH guys can pick through the XC classifieds for parts.
  • - 1
 @sevensixtwo sad, im criying
  • - 2
 @torero: Truth.
  • + 20
 I'm hoping a standard 20mm axle is being used.
  • + 32
 When they all go back to vee brakes, I'll be ready and say I saw it coming first. Remember me!!
  • + 6
 @Tejj: u can use 29" on 27.5 frame as long as the fork is for 29" with less travel....keep in mind that probably the 49 fork and 29" dh frame will be mad expensive in the first years of 29"dh bikes...lets wait for the end of the season and see the 29ner results
  • - 7
flag E-ROG (Apr 15, 2017 at 19:17) (Below Threshold)
 @Vudu74: Love the SW references! On another note, someone once wrote that if it can be won on a 29er its not a real DH track. I tend to agree. Marketing and accounting guys rejoice, 2 more years of new DH products before they move us on to something else for the next 2 year cycle.
  • + 29
 @scary1: not even in a camp at this point, much more interested in smiles induced, regardless of size. Seems to me that one thing that does suck is finding enjoyment in the dissatisfaction of others...
  • + 18
 @Vudu74: same here! Carbon v10 26" and loving it!
  • + 5
 @diggerandrider: Me too. *Tips hat.*
  • + 16
 @Bushamster21: you don't know the power of the DARK SIDE..!!!!!


29er is your Father!!
  • + 2
 Come on guys I love both websites but you've just gone and ripped something directly off Vitalmtb that has been up on their site for a couple of days already.
  • + 4
 @VwHarman: only the dicks that keep up this wheelsize nonsense, like children.
Complete and total enjoyment.
  • + 1
 Im calling it now:

1. Industry sees that we've taken the wheel size expansion thing too far
2. Every 2019 bike will be riding on 20" bmx wheels
  • + 72
 #275aintdead
  • + 2
 @Vudu74: right down the back with you mate
  • + 11
 @Thustlewhumber: whaaaat, would you mean that it's about the rider and not the gear? You must be crazy, it doesn't make any sense. It's not what they say in the ads.
  • + 2
 @Vudu74 & @Maverickdh00: I'm the Han solo here; screw the haters and run what you brung. Unless it's a huffy then to the airlocker you go.
  • + 0
 @Tejj: hahahahahahaha! very good!
  • + 1
 @Thustlewhumber: he was on 27,5 already
  • + 5
 @heavyp: While it has been on Vital, it's not original Vital content. It's an Instagram post, which clearly has @pinkbike tagged in the comments section. Even if Vital never posted it, Pinkbike would have.
  • + 0
 let's put 35 inch for 2018
  • + 22
 Only one wheel size left to be a dick about? I guess we will have to move on to "pick a tire width and be a dick about it". 2.35-2.5. Anything less is road bike skinny and anything more says you dont even corner hard, bro. Wink
  • + 9
 @Boardlife69: Bigger wheels mean more speed and less maneuverability. 27.5 may be the perfect balance between them (for downhill), in my opinion 29 is too much
  • + 18
 So spend more money for weaker heavier wheels and frame n forks with less travel. Sorry I don't care if it's faster I want to lap the bike Park all day using as much travel landing jumps hence 26" with 9" rear n 8" front suits me just fine. As for rollover crap I've got avalanche suspension and zero arm pump lapping bomb hole infested alpine bike Park all day. Rip off Mtb industry pushing for more new bikes is all it is.
  • + 3
 @raven-87: tracks have less turns in them these days at the wc level.
  • + 4
 @gonecoastal: most likely it will be a 21.5mm
  • + 1
 @macross87: I share a birthday with that guy.
  • + 1
 @icespec: it'll probably be 180 until Geo catches up.
  • + 4
 I worked on a Surly with vee brakes yesterday and my hands will never be clean again.
  • + 1
 9 months of rain per year and rim brakes = don't make sense.
  • + 1
 @bat-fastard: when's the last time you tacoed a wheel?
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69: but do you even corner hard bro?
  • + 1
 not for a while, my Halo 26ers are pretty darned reliable
  • + 1
 No, I make up for lost time on straightaway and jam on the brakes just before the corner and then drop down to the middle ring on my VPS II and accelerate out.
  • + 2
 Needs more outrage
  • + 1
 @Aprilfisheye: Not really. I'm slower than snot. Which is why I always have to tighten spokes, rebuild hubs and wheels. If I was faster and smoother and didnt ride like a hack I wouldnt have to worry about wheel problems. And then there's that damn tire squirm. $#%$
  • + 1
 @raven-87: They'll change the courses to suit the bikes.
  • + 8
 Anyone who actually knows how to ride a bike will realise this is a total weapon, The fact 99% of you don't means this new concept will get a lot of hate. In fact, so will i.

If you like to bitch on new trends and standards, go ahead noone actually gives a shit about people's opinions online
  • + 37
 I thonk some of you guys should simply start a DH World Cup of your own. No UCI, bo Redbull, no weird wheel sizes, no carbon. Super rough, natural courses with plenty of line choices. Bikes with mandatory 26" wheels and gearboxes. I am sure racers like Danny Hart, Eddie Masters or Brendan Fairclough cannot wait for you to free them out of their marketing driven misery. Maybe Fest riders would join for speed and style category. Peaty would serve beer and Nico Vink to provide weed at the bottom of the course - forbidding Gwinny to talk about Jesus would be like a cherry on the pie.

That seems like a good rough sketch of Internet Gravity League For Preservation of Genuine MTB Values.

As an enthusiast of options that do feel different (unlike 26 vs 275) I personally love the idea that DH 29ers could become a reality just like I was super excited for long travel 29" Enduro bikes or plus bikes.
  • - 4
flag torero (Apr 17, 2017 at 3:42) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns Stop barking, is enough
  • + 0
 @Bushamster21: I can't remember the last time I rode a 26. You know... it was on Alderan... that's how long ago it was!
  • + 1
 @diggerandrider: but but, your so out of date dude!
  • + 1
 @raven-87: We will see what the results have to say about that!
  • + 1
 @Bushamster21: THAT WILL BE WAY OF SPEED, but if I will have a welder... THAT will be in plus.
i can't buy another bike... SAD
  • + 1
 @icespec: For a bike like the V10 a 29er wheel will not fit in that frame. far to short chain stays.
  • + 1
 @north-shore-king: LOL WUT? The limiting factor won't be chain stay length. I own a V10C 26 and a 29er, the V10 has longer chain stays.
  • + 2
 @raven-87: no

Not true why they racing 29 in enduro ...
  • + 320
 Maybe the 26" wheels will fit perfectly between the braking bumps the 29" make and we can double jump in and out into a turn.
  • + 22
 Lol, epic response. +1
  • + 24
 Best comment in a long time.
  • + 15
 you mean to say that those aren't actually just really tight rollers?
  • + 5
 Hahahaha
  • + 5
 There is hope for us I'd much rather double around a corner
  • + 4
 Haha, perfect!!
  • + 4
 Big Grin top !!!!
  • + 183
 Never really understood what all the fuss is about. 29 wheels - if they are faster, why Not? DH is about going fast right?

And 26 inch wheels - it's not dead yet right. It may be slower than other wheel sizes but it isn't completely dead yet.

At the end of the day instead of arguing about wheel sizes and saying gay this and that - get on and ride your f*cking bike
  • + 41
 I think its just the fact that the industry keeps changing these things which to the average joe dont really make much difference. Except to the bank balance every 3 years Smile
  • + 66
 The fuss is largely about what this means for the sport. Larger wheels are known to make traversing terrain easier. We may as well take out all those annoying rock gardens. Or maybe we could just pave the downhill runs. On one hand we have the UCI telling us downhill racers we need to wear moto-inspired jerseys (baggy enough for a closed fist to grab fabric), while on the other they're allowing wagon-wheels to smooth out the race tracks. What happened to talent? What happened to track-building?
  • + 16
 @cwatt: you sir are awake. Well said.
  • + 136
 @cwatt: yeah for sure and what's with suspension?? Smoothing out all the tracks with 200mm squish!? Whatever happened to not being a pussy hmm? Disc brakes is just plain cheating and I heard that Minions give you super powers and that just ain't right. I mean whatcha gonna do if you're sponsored by Schwalbe and can't get any super powers? 't ain't right, 't ain't proper
  • + 38
 @cwatt: 1)
The industry keeps innovating. I find it surprising that so many people complain when the industry creates something better. We know it is better because it will be run this season, as it is faster. However, if it doesn't work for you, Or you don't like it don't buy it. Simple. I wonder why so many people get so angry over anything non 26. The bike industry isn't going to produce outdated technology because people won't buy it.

NO one is forcing you to buy the new bike. You don't have to at the end of the day.

On another note, it's not like we've attached jetpacks to the bikes. The world cup tracks are still rough and people will fall off. 3 seconds quicker isn't exactly smoothing out the track. If needs be, they could become a bit more technical, I know many people believe they are already turning into more bike park style tracks so I'm sure we shall see rougher stuff in the future.

However I take your point about uci contradictions a bit - skinsuits would be faster as are 29 wheels clearly. It's all about the overview and look of the sport, I personally think 29 wheels aren't nearly as bad as skinsuits but I see what you mean. Perhaps the uci will say something in the future about their standing on this. Who knows.

All I know is I can't wait for the start of the season in the next week or two!
  • + 6
 @ThomDawson: You get it. Evolution happens, move on. On a side note, it really seems like 622mm rims are the way to go for all bikes. Road started out on 630 then figured out that 622 is better. Likewise, mountain started out with 559 and then moved to 622 (and 584).
  • - 10
flag wolf-amongst-lambs (Apr 15, 2017 at 14:01) (Below Threshold)
 @oli99: it not about buying the new bike. Its about being told over and over again what you have can never be the best. We spend thousands building a bike with "the best "parts. And a year later its obsolete and unsellable. f*ck all of them. Im building a car.. at least with a car, once i get that 11 or 10 second time-slip from the track, theres not going to be some orthodontist looking down his nose sneering at my "last-year's" parts
  • + 27
 I don't care what anyone thinks... this is going to be sweet.
  • + 28
 @wolf-amongst-lambs: but why care so much? Get out and ride your bike. I will never be the best. How do I know this? Cos every Time I get cocky I see someone do something that I could barely comprehend, I surround myself with people better than me, whether it's on social media or at the local. And you know What? I don't care. Because, although I like to race in the end it's about having fun. Sure it could be annoying that you no longer have the best bike. But that's half the problem. I had a really really nice bike that i didn't even want to scratch, and had to sell it to fund a trip. Now, I have a decent bike which isn't the best. But it's something I will happily thrash and I know I can smash it to bits and I don't care because it's not the most expensive best bike out there. Because I didn't spend too much on it in the first place I don't worry about how much it's resale is and I just chuck it about. In my opinion, if you just sit there thinking about upgrades all the time you will never quite be pleased because of all the new standards. But instead if you think - shit my whips are bad then you can work to that, crash etc and not worry. Bit of a ramble

I'm not sure how to explain it, but I tried. It's like when the old top gear crew do rallying on a budget and have the most fun - cheep and cheerful I find.

Oh yeah and the other thing I say to myself is - right well I can have a better bike etc, but it will be marginally better. However I can improve my skills a lot more. So I will work on that. If you are racing world cups as a privateer then yes this is annoying however for most people like me it really isn't as bad as everyone makes out
  • + 11
 @Crag-Of-Ruge: Is this "the industry" or racers trying to win?
  • + 15
 @cwatt: So I guess you ride a rigid DH rig? A purist such as such as yourself would surely never allow 200mm of travel and a 62 deg. HTA to "make traversing terrain easier," right?
  • - 28
flag wakaba (Apr 15, 2017 at 14:45) (Below Threshold)
 @oli99: 29 been around for 150 years. Hardly innovative.

Its great for very tall and heavy cross country pedalers and grandma in town.

Faster? Yes 29 is faster on smooth tracks, everyother scenario - they are not. Most of this can be attributed to perception because the stored force in the rotating wheel lets you plow a little further without pedaling than with 26. 29 and flat headangles - not good - slugger.

Hucking with 29 is not fun. Personally I dont like 29. I makes a bike look weird.


For most of us that do not compete it comes at the price of a new bike that is heavier and with components that wont last as well as what you had before.

UCI - mainly roadies. They have nothing to add to the discussion. I blanked them out a veeery long time ago.
  • + 9
 @oli99: you said that no ones forcing us to buy new stuff but then you also said that the bike industry isn't going to produce outdated equipment. That's just the thing, by not making more outdated 26in wheels people who are using them are forced to "upgrade". We're just using our outdated stuff until it breaks and then TS go buy a new bike because all the the outdated components are hard to find/might not be around.
  • + 4
 @wolf-amongst-lambs: Then no one should innovate. Ever. Don't get all "feelsy" about the bike industry. Be glad that once you trash your current bike, you can pay the same for a new bike and get an improved one. And go ride your bike. It ain't holding you back.
  • + 4
 35er are more faster ... but i can't ride it coz more than half of my height
  • + 12
 I'm not sure why anyone should be surprised about this, as well I'm not sure why suddenly everyone cares. 29 inch long travel bikes have been around and getting dialed for awhile. DH racers are going to try all kinds of product and things to try and win races, not much different there either. I look forward to seeing how it goes. I don't think the big wheel bikes will fully eradicate 27.5 in any case so I'm not sure anyone has much to "worry" about if they don't like them. I appreciate that people are emotional about their bikes but I'm not understanding allowing all sorts of innovation and then drawing a line on a slightly larger wheel ?
  • - 3
 @cwatt: Just put in KNEE high rocks in very steep portions of the trails and have those feed into off camber corners that are filled with basketball sized rocks. From there you enter the rocker garden that has rocks 36" and above for 700 yards......
  • + 4
 @captaintyingknots: Since "the industry" uses racers to prove out prototypes and concepts then it's "the industry" driving these new products............not a bad thing. Also no one is forcing anyone to purchase these new offerings.
  • + 4
 @oli99 Your response is too level headed and mature for PB. Please move along.
  • + 1
 @mnorris122: Road did not start on 630. An English tire company invented it to try to sell more tires. 622 was the clincher version which gave the same diameter as the tubular that had been around for decades.
  • + 5
 @oli99
26 is pretty close to dead. Fewer product choices every season and LBS not stocking anything 26 except as one brilliant employee pointed out "we have lockon grips that fit 26ers".

26ers are going the way of the Penny-farthing, which looks incredibly like Penny-farting if your scanning fast.
  • - 4
flag scoot34 (Apr 15, 2017 at 22:35) (Below Threshold)
 @Crag-Of-Ruge: your right about most changes not making much difference to the average rider,but to people like myself who take things a whole lot more seriously, if a new part/ innovation comes along and the colour matches my bike, or if its just nice and sparkly then i just have to buy it !!!
  • + 10
 @SacAssassin: your full of shit, 99% of freeriders still using 26. Notice how Aggy has gone back to the (carbon)26 bike after his 27.5 rampage crash.
  • + 13
 Those bigger wheels only work on DH bikes, because the Worldcup tracks are getting more and more wide open and faster. I think on an oldschool steep and technical track through the woods with tight turns the 26" or 27.5" might beat a 29er, while on tracks like Pietermaritzburg or Windham the 29er will have an advantage.
  • + 0
 @nojzilla: you're*
  • + 1
 @oli99: a 29 inch wheel is not new technology! The wheel is still round with the same rubber as a 26 inch wheel!! Actually a 26 inch wheel using modern wheel building materials would be stronger,lighter and more versatile. Now of course a 29 inch wheel is gonna be faster over rough or smooth terrain,BUT only until all the riders are on them then there is absolutely now gains at all!! So all the people saying it's inovation and the best way forward,I suggest you give ya head a wobble!. This is purely a way to create sales of frames,forks,rims,tyres and hubs. Nothing else. As for those saying if you don't want them then don't buy them,that's the wrong attitude. We'll have no choice as they faze out 26-27.5 wheel sizes. A bigger wheel just simplifies the course you're riding. I ride as I like the feeling of hitting roots and rocks,needing to work my way through the course. I don't want it smoothed out!! It's hard enough to find a challenging course as it is without running huge wheels so it feels like a road!.
  • + 9
 @oli99 I wish you were right and that DH was purely about the pursuit of speed and going as fast as possible, but it's real intentions were revealed years ago when they banned skin suits and peakless helmets.
Now we "race with the air brakes on" while trying to look like MXers so that clothing companies can profit.

"Skin suits are gay" the drones cry.
Yeah, because everyone's laughing at bat-shit-crazy downhill skiers...
  • + 5
 @mikelee: that is exactly how innovation works dude...somebody finds a gain and slowly but surely the rest of the field develops their own take on that gain until eventually everyone's on the same page but one of those clever beans is already working on the next gain. Competition drives innovation. Replace the '29er' bit if your argument with any other innovation (brakes, tyres, dampers, etc) and you'll see it makes no sense whatsoever.
  • - 1
 @abgs87: auto correct
  • - 2
 @nojzilla: The only thing full of shit are most statistics spun in interwebs comments...

What size tire do you think 99% freeriders will be riding once their current rig breaks?
  • + 5
 Maybe wheel size from now on will be determind by your body size and preference? Some interesting new tires came out recently for 20" and 24" bikes. As well as new forks, frames, etc. Even saw some new 26" tires, bikes, etc. Why are you prople still bitching? Its. Just. Another. Option.
  • + 1
 @SacAssassin:
26... You think they don't allready break bikes.....
You saw the darkfest slams right?
  • + 6
 @cwatt: @wolf-amongst-lambs: I just got back into the mtb scene about a year ago after 20 some odd years of playing around in other sports and I have to say this mentality of "f@$k innovation" has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

My passion for the last number of years has been off-roading, and in that arena there is excitement in seeing the sport develop. When the pros come out to the races with new high dollar, blinged out, technically advanced super parts, as enthusiasts we all rejoice knowing that the trickle down effect will eventually reach the consumer at a price point that we can afford to bolt on to our rigs. Doesn't mean that I'm going to run out and buy it - but it sure is nice to know that I now have the option to if I so choose to open up my wallet.

Same thing in the mtb world, just because a new piece of tech comes out, doesn't mean you have to run it on your bike but we should all be stoked that the industry is continuing to push the boundaries of our sport and give the average consumers options that allow them to push their ability and enjoyment to new limits.
  • - 8
flag mikelee (Apr 16, 2017 at 7:59) (Below Threshold)
 @ThomDawson: but once we all have 29ers where's the advantage? None. It's pure sales bullshit. You can't compare it to brakes,suspension etc as it's just not necessary. Suspension can be tuned in all manor of ways giving individual gains per set up. Hence why pros are secretive of their tune. Also brakes needed to change as the sport got faster for safety reasons. The bigger wheels are changing dh for all the wrong reasons. Courses are easy where pure speed is all that counts. But we can't wear skin suits or Lycra!!! It's just a way to sell bikes don't believe it's anything else.
  • + 7
 @mikelee: I smh at the conspiracy theorists. I really don't understand where it all comes from or who started this thing about the 'evil' bike industry. How dare they try and sell us a bike. The racers wanna brake later than their opponents, they wanna have more control over rough ground than their opponents and ultimately they wanna go faster than their opponents. The juries still out but clearly some believe they can do that on 29" wheels. Instead of dismissing every new thing why not get pumped, give it a try and if you don't like big wheels that's cool - don't ride em. 27.5" bikes aren't gonna stop being a thing, 29ers are too specific a tool to take over completely. The 27.5" bike excels in all round ability for all round riders.
Once we all have factory spec suspension where's the advantage? None? So we should just say f*ck it and all ride rigid road bikes. Your argument makes absolutely no sense and is based on an absurd hatred of big wheels which I seriously doubt you and most other nay Sayers have ever ridden since you seen to fundamentally misunderstand how they change the characteristics and capability of a bike.
  • + 11
 My keyboard is 16" wide and keys have about 4mm of travel. My arguments are faster and morally superior. I wish to thank Jesus for blessing me with the troll gene. Praise the bros. Keep downhill pure for bros, make it great again. 26" and lift days bro. Danny freaking Hart! Look at the time bro and how can you sit with balls that big bro. Cuz bro, DH is my life bro, real DH, no 29 homo, 26 inches of glory and pride, not 29 inches of SAD. Sad day for bros. no mo' stoke bro. Bro. Yea bro. No Enduro homo bro. Bro. Ride downhill bro. send it bro. Bro. Bro... stylin... Brandawg yea!!!! bro... bro.... steel... steel. Ht... steel is real... bro. bro steel. yea. Beer and chicks bro.

I have a fokin BRO key on my keyboard brah!
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: WAKI for the win - classic bro trollin'! Thx man, I couldn't agree more with your bropinion. #4mmforLife. Just because they say 3mm key travel is faster doesn't mean you have to buy it.
  • - 5
flag mikelee (Apr 16, 2017 at 12:29) (Below Threshold)
 @ThomDawson: I don't have a hatred of anything! I'm saying 29 inch wheels aren't needed. You can't compare suspension with wheels! Suspension can be tuned countless ways! So anyone can tune a bike to suit terrain,weight riding style etc. Suspension has been inovative and it can give someone the edge with the right knowledge. A wheel is just a wheel and once we all have the same size they'll no longer be beneficial. So I'm saying what's the point? So everyone is going x amount of seconds faster! So you've had to buy a frame,wheels and forks for no gains! Because everyone is gaining the same thing as they're all running big wheels! So yes I totally believe it's all for selling all said components and if you can't see that then I can't help you. Pros will ride what they're told,end of. Until like hill and brycland,they have enough of the boring basic park style wc courses and leave to the ews for a more technical course. Also if big wheels are faster how come brycland won the 2014 season on a 26 v10 when everyone else moved to 27.5 the following season he went up to 27.5 and returned to the same top 10 solid wc racer instead and smashing everyone as he did the previous season.
  • + 1
 @wolf-amongst-lambs: dunno why you got downvoted chap, bloody good on ya. That's what I spend all my leftovers on these days. A classic, that will be getting better and faster with each part I buy. It will also go up in value, bikes are the total opposite. It makes sense.
  • + 2
 @mikelee: Of course bike manufacturers want to create additional sales and the market will determine whether the 29er DH will survive as a business investment, just like 27.5. As always, the results and choices of the racers will help drive the momentum. In addition, if you don't like your trails "smoothed out", I have a fully rigid, steel is real, hand built frame from the eighties I'd like to part with.

Manufacturers want winning results regardless of wheel size to drive sales and racers in DH will now have similar choices that Enduro riders currently enjoy. 29 and 27.5 will share the podium and we will all benefit.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: #dvoraksnotdead
  • + 3
 @ThomDawson: you're missing the point entirely. You've asked :Once we all have factory spec suspension , wheres the advantage? Well to answer that , it'll simply level the field and let the riders abilities shine and dominate over their equipment ... Once everyone has 29" wheels , that wheel will offer no advantage so what are they going to do ? Come up with a 31" wheels?This is no conspiracy theory, nobody is hiding it , its clear strategic marketing move and you have to be blind not to see it.Once a manufacturer starts to offer a bigger faster wheel , all the others must join the band wagon... No one wants to sell slower bikes...This crap needs to end now , im in the process of buying a new bike and Im completely connfused as to what I should buy ...This ain't innovation at all ...gearboxes, slicker suspensions, new materials , new designs , they're so many other areas the industry could innovate and improve on... wheels ? Not so much
  • + 7
 @tuumbaq: have you actually ridden a modern, long travel 29er? I have and the experience of plow and grip is quite dramatic. Add 2.6-2.8 tyres and you'll see warp speeds.
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flag cunning-linguist (Apr 17, 2017 at 0:40) (Below Threshold)
 @tuumbaq: Thom looks like a kiddy fiddler anyhow, wouldn't worry...
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 @tuumbaq: i still don't understand how the wheels are any different from any other advancement or scheme to go faster?
"...to answer than it'll simply level the playing field and let the riders abilities shine and dominate over their equipment" - how is this not true for using bigger wheels?
If a team rocks up at a race venue and see the conditions are producing little grip, they'd tune the suspension accordingly and if they have a setup that will allow more grip (i.e. Larger wheels) they'd try that too...maybe the team next to them in the pit has a big wheeler too but it delivers a different ride characteristic and their athlete prefers to ride the 27.5 at this event. Some of the riders will use a firm setup and others a softer one to try and find the fastest way down the mountain, I don't see how that is any different from a racer making the choice between two wheel sizes.
As for marketing...although I have ridden and seen the merits big wheels bring to the table I strongly believe that a 29er dh bike would be such a specific tool that unless you're racing at the highest level they will be useless. I don't see them being very popular outside of WCDH. 27.5" dh bikes are gonna be far more versatile for those who want to race at the weekend and slap corners in the park after work. I'm sure the manufacturers realise this too so the notion that they're trying to push us all onto bigger wheels is a load of tin foil hat crap. They want their athletes to achieve and to do that they'll give them everything they ask for, what they won't do is force them to ride something they can't perform aboard.
Contrary to the notion that big wheelers will smooth out tracks and lead to more bikepark races; the big wheelers will shine on the roughest tracks with the flattest corners. I wouldn't be surprised to see tracks getting some extra chunk thrown in to test the big wheel bikes. It would lead to a better spectacle for the viewers and it'd be interesting to see if any athletes can show us how to do it without the advantages of bigger wheels.
I don't see how teams using bigger wheels at WCDH level is a bad thing in any way. Why would you not want them to try and go faster?
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 @cunning-linguist: harsh but true. The pic is a statement on the overuse of selfies in full pyjama race attire. I thought it was amusing.
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 @oli99: It's almost like these companies are in business to make money or something. Bast@rds.
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 @cunning-linguist: So because you don't like his opinion you're going to make a statement like that? Wow.
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 @ThomDawson: fair play! I'll give you that, as satire you definitely nailed it :-D
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 @cwatt: wagon wheels eh?! That's one old argument...
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 @wakaba: dafuq! Hucking my fuel ex 9. 9 29 is a shit ton of fun and not awkward in the least!
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 @nojzilla: That's one dude man.
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 @mikelee: Dafuq! Course 29 is needed..Especially for us tall lanky basterd.. Its the only way I roll Brahhh!
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 @bohns1: do you put bigger wheels on your car? Or how about your mx bike? Steve peats 6'5 and made a pretty good career on 26 inch wheels! All a tall rider with a large frame does is help a 29er look less shit. IE more proportionate. But if youre under 6ft and running a 29er I'm sorry but you all look shite haha
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 @cwatt: Oh so when there are suspension innovations brought to the DH circuit to smooth the race tracks, it's fine. But when it's wheel size that's giving the racers an advantage it's not fine. You and no other large wheel size detractor has a leg to stand on with that argument.
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 @mikelee: you dude have just uttered complete douche baggery! The new geo 29 bike's give guy's like myself a far more in the bike feel vs the bear on a circus bike look! I don't care who's made a career out of 26! I have to pay for my rides and the new breeds of 29 fits that bill perfectly...
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 Can they please make a 26'' plus compatible version and call it the Fox 69.
  • + 9
 That would be a 46+.
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 @cwatt: 6 for 26 and 9 for 29
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 Give us a fork that's really high with very slow motion and it eats up everything. The Fox 420.
  • + 9
 @aoneal: Coffee all over my computer screen. Thanks.
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 That's what the 29er 40 should be called
29+40= 69
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 @piersgritten: That's some genius mathematics right there.
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 Their tag line will be Ride My Foxy. 69 position adjustments.
  • + 5
 Yeah, and put it on Specialized Reacharound frame.
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 That's what they called it when you put a 29" wheel and fork on the front of a 26" wheeled bike. What? No body remembers when people were doing that?
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 @piersgritten: so what you're saying is that you pay or would pay for a 69er!
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 @cyclotoine: I remember Trek made one once, IIRC it had a custom inverted fork and was very brown. This was a long time ago though.
  • + 62
 24 ain't dead!
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 Boy, sure am glad I never bothered to jump on that 27.5" fad...
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 Same here haha
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 I'm sure someone will say the same about the 29" when the 30.5" will be released in 4years
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 @zede: I'm thinking it'll be 28 1/4"
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 @captaintyingknots: no it has to be bigger, industry said bigger is better, but they didn't explain why 29 and not 30,5 ? Maybe trump is gonna jump into the debate, and finally reveal the truth.
  • + 2
 don't worry. Gwin's going to win on 27.5 and the whole exercise will be futile.
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 @zede: bring it on, if it's faster and climbs well I'll buy it. See ya at the bottom kid!
  • + 1
 @atrokz: Naa broic will come out of nowhere on the 29 and stun all haters!
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 @bohns1: is special ed making a 29er demo?
  • + 1
 @bohns1: judging by his comments on IG prob be surprising. "Get out of here with your 29ers".... - LB
  • + 1
 @atrokz: yep but just like going said today.. If he starts getting beat.. He'll give em a go!
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 Can a few companies please make 26 inch freeride bikes for those of us who don't race World Cups? Thanks.
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 Amen.
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 Ya ain't World Cup cuz u don't own 29 wheelz man
  • + 5
 Never Heard about Scott Bikes? You can get a Voltage FR it is compatible with 26 inches, got more money take a Rocky mountain Maiden it is also 26 compatible. Seriously youjust don't need it unless you would know about them and there are more...
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 Banshee darkside is another 26" freeride rig
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 kona did. the 167. no one bought one. they stopped making them. 26er brigade are a poor tight fisted bunch it would seem
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 @markg1150: Yeah, Aggy, Andreu, Zink, Semenuk, R-Dog...the whole poor, tight fisted bunch.
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flag sandboass (Apr 16, 2017 at 4:35) (Below Threshold)
 @markg1150: yeah tight fisted when it comes to buying shitty made bikes?? Who really goes out of there way to buy a kona unless they're getting it for dealer price??? Thoes things break like they're made of pvc plastic
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 What's stopping you just putting 26" wheels on any bike? It's even easier to achieve a decent geometry with a dh/ freeride bike cus you can just lift the front end on the fork. But you can be crafty with tyre choice too or even use an offset bushing if the BB is too low. It's not like the wheels won't turn if they're not the 'right' size for the frame
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 @cmkneeland:
errr their fully sponsored/ paid up pros.
dam sure they havent had to spend any of there hard earned money on any bike or component at full price or at all for a long time
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 @markg1150: What doest that have to do with anything?

My point was, all these dudes, who are setting the bar in big bike freeriding, are all riding modded 26 inch DH bikes that their companies no longer make available to the rest of us.
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 @ThomDawson: Offset bushings always rotate to the low position. So that leaves you running it stock. With 26 inch wheels you're going to be pedaling around a bike park with a sub 13in BB, which is asking for certain OTB death.
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 @cmkneeland: if your offset bushing are rotating you're doing it wrong. They should be clamped firm and locked in position. Sounds like a lot of excuses to me, people just like to complain as if they're being hard done by. You like 26" wheels so run 26" wheels, where there's a will there's a (pretty easy) way.
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 @ThomDawson: bought a Kona process 153dl and have a 26" 160mm fox fork and 26" wheelset and it's riding great!
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 @brncr6: I strongly approve of that. Sounds awesome!
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 @cmkneeland: offset bushings should never rotate!! Something lose or wrong if that's happening.
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 @ThomDawson: a 29er fork will have the wrong offset for 26 wheels and the bb would be 1.5 inches too low! That's a huuuuge drop. You be hitting the ground constantly and yeah you'd end up over the bars or worse.
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 @mikelee: A 29" wheel isn't 3" bigger than a 26" wheel. Nobody was talking about putting 26" wheels in a 29er fork, why would you do that? But a 27.5" frame/ bike can be made to work quite easily with 26" wheels, the BB would drop half an inch without any other adjustments which would be easy to tune out and small enough not to worry about if the BB started high.
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 @cmkneeland:
you pointed out the financial and sales contribution of pros on 26ers.
i pointed out otherwise.
companys make money to pay those pros of the back the back of none 26 bike and component sales not enough people are buying 26er stuff end of.
if there was enough people continued spunking money on 26er bikes and components then manufacturers could sit back without doing s@#t and cash in as they already have that stuff done.
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 @markg1150: I never said anything about financial and sales contribution. I just pointed out that these guys all currently still run 26 inch bikes. And it just happens that none of their respective bike sponsors make a 26 inch production freeride/DH bike. So clearly 26 inch DH bikes still have a very valued place in the mountain bike world, but are being phased out by bigger wheels for one facet of the industry. The rest of us, who don't chase a clock, are being left with less and less freeride oriented options.
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 @markg1150: Agreed, cheap as fuq to boot!
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 Won't lie as a tall guy I'm excited to see what they can do!
  • + 1
 Yes!!
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 Big bikes for big riders!
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 26 ain't dead !!
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 27.5 ain't dead!
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 They are both pinning for the fjords!
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 @ibishreddin: At the upper end this is the beginning of the end.
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 A lot of people are going to be Hartbroken to see Danny riding a 29er.
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 I actually got the unofficial statement of the Fox Engineer who was present at the testing:

"We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and, to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form and says, "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another."
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flag thenotoriousmic (Apr 15, 2017 at 12:57) (Below Threshold)
 Who would ever down vote this? Someone needs to do something about the riffraff on this site. Solid post waki.
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 @WAKIdesigns: "It must be thoroughly understood that the lost wheel size will never be won back by solemn appeals to the God, nor by hopes in any League of Nations, but only by the force of arms."
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 @WAKIdesigns: I didn't know Robert Oppenheimer worked for Fox. I guess Fox decided to go for the nuclear option. Smile
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 @carym:
MOAB option Waki... times are bad...
  • + 23
 Haters gon' hate. On your left.
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 It is faster and will win world cups this year. Naysayers have not ridden a modern 29er like enduro, wreckoning ect
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 I have a Wreck, and I think the front end will be too tall with 200 and the rear tire will hit your butt with 200. I love my Wreckoning, but not sure how much room there is to add travel without wacky geo. Maybe they can get away with 180, but will riders prefer it to 27.5 with 200?
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 @dthomp325: going off topic a bit, but is your wreckoning a medium, and if so could you tell me what the max seatpost insertion is on the frame? Just trying to work out if it will fit me and can't find any info on it. Cheers!
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 @dthomp325: i have read that 29" adds the equivalent of ~20mm of bump absorbtion on rough trails due to increased rollover. However, on large drops/ jumps it wouldn't work to absorb the impact. i think mabie the taller/ more physical riders might prefer the 29" (e.g. Greg minnar, gee Atherton, florient payet) but mabie the shorter/ less physical riders such as brosnan/Hart/seagrave would possibly stick to 27.5. also, i think it will be track dependent
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 @piersgritten: I'm about 5'5'' and prefer 29 less work more speed...
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 @dthomp325: I wonder if the loss in travel is really that big of a deal? Some of the WC guys run their suspension absolutely rock hard. with enough ramp up in the calving, can the increased roll over make up for the lack of suspension travel? I suspect that, on many tracks, it can. Plus, some of these guys, like Minnaar are giants, he could probably ride a 200mm travel 29er just fine
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 @maxyedor: the biggest deal will be small riders burning their ass/balls on the tyre while they get low behind the saddle in steep parts, and wheels getting heavier when it's muddy.
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 @zede: that's the thing, there's now 3 wheel sizes for which they make high quality "race" tires, why pick just one? If a rider isn't tall enough to ride a full travel 29er, ride smaller wheels. If it's muddy, ride smaller wheels. If there's stutter bumps everywhere, ride bigger wheels.
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 @maxyedor: riders hardly chose what they want to ride, they ride what their sponsors want them to ride.
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 @zede: yeah, so that's why gwin ran blacked out shortys at Lourdes last year?
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 @piersgritten: if you compare gwin to any random sponsored rider, you probably haven't followed the wc scene in the last 5 years at least ?
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 @dthomp325: EVIL seemed to be working on the basis of a 180 29 fork for the Wreckoning on a comment they made to me...no doubt they got hold of a tester...
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 It's really at the point now that we need to consider regulations for the bikes in World Cup DH. Virtually every other cycling, motorsport, or athletic event has restrictions on things like wheel size, engine displacement, weight, etc. It's about keeping the competition fair and keeping the sport from simply becoming an arms race. Imagine the wealthy teams having multiple bikes of different wheel sizes tailor made for specific courses. No small team or privateer will ever be able to match those advantages no matter how good the rider is. In the end, it should be mostly about the riders.
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 You're missing the point. A bicycle is never gonna cost millions like an F1 car. So arms race is a somewhat exaggerated term here. Top 40 or so riders are with pro teams anyway, so will simply get forwarded new bikes. Tough news for privateers for sure, but DH racing is in a golden age of development and shouldn't be stifled by overregulation.
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 @sebazzo: Unfortunately, an unregulated sport isn't a sport at all, it's just a testing ground for product. What if the NBA raised the hoop height every time they see taller players? At a certain point there needs to be standards to judge everyone against. I don't have a problem with innovation but maybe we need to start looking at different race classes for diffrent wheel sizes then. BMX has 20" and Cruiser....
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 @b-mack: you have really hit the nail on the head here b-mack, Bruni made the same points I don't understand why people don't get it.
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 @b-mack: perhaps you're comparing apples and oranges. Team sports are games which are based on rules. If NBA changes the hoop height, the change the game completely.

All rules in time trial sports are in place to prevent unfairness (no cutting off courses, etc), so that's a difference to games with their somewhat artificial rules. Who would it be unfair to at WC level to let em decide freely which wheel size to use?

Btw, it still is a myth that 29ers are automatically faster on ALL tracks. If they prove to be, even privateers will switch instantly. Arms race over.

Instead, the discussion for WC is in dire need of focussing on track layout. That's the big issue, not 29ers in DH.
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 The only way this is a issue is if you have someone like Fox only letting it's sponsored riders using it's products. The good part about MTB is that it's about sales and the company's let the privateers buy whatever they produce.
Mtb is still a cheap sport to compete in. Even as a privateer if you had to own multiple bikes, it would still be cheap.
My friend races moto at a regional level, 2 bikes, one to train, one to race. multiple engines and gear. Last year it was 30k to go racing.
If you actually have the talent to be a WC pro then like any sport you need some sponsorship. If you want to complain lets talk about bike company's throwing money at their "ambassadors" rather than at a DH team.
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 @sebazzo: worries about track layout bring effected by 29ers is his point....
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 @b-mack: NBA does allow people with different sized feet and even different shoes!
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 Wheels will be the biggest deal. There is no such thing as a light and strong 29er wheel. Carbon breaks and aluminum is heavy! That is where you will see a factory advantage. New wheel set for each run $ $ $
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 Mountain biking is exciting because it evolves. Most of us troll PB for the latest innovation in the sport and advancement in engineering - not just the athletic side of it. Those who are upset are mostly those who over spent on bike parts like 26" wheel sets.

Do you see any sport with restrictions is not dominated by big teams? May be those who want's to avoid an arm race should try marathon. Just buy a pair of shoes and run till the sun sets... happily ever after.

Don't turn mtb into another sport where the bat stays the same for eternity. It'll be fuboring.
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 @sebazzo: 29inch wheels will dictate track layout! It's no coincidence that as the wheels have got larger the tracks are more basic! The track issue is why the likes of hill and brycland are now riding the far more challenging enduro series. Josh said he quit dh as he was bored with tracks with no parts that actually scared him anymore. Just riding the same smoothed tracks on bikes with massive wheels! Even classics like mount st Ann had parts simplified. Dh as we knew it is dead. The 29inch dh bike is here and they'll require smooth Courses with no tight turns. But they'll be so fast in a straight line lol enjoy. I'll be watching the real challenge of the ews.
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 @mikelee: And what Josh was riding in tight Rotorua tracks... ...29er...

Problem of turning 9er in tight turns is not problem of the bike, but problem of the rider not knowing how to do it properly.
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 @b-mack: Perfectly right - if they decide to change what's allowed in a "Class" then everyone can make the changes. Most individual sports have fairly strict rules about the equipment you are allowed to use... (boxing, drag racing, wrestling etc.) If their were a few more rules in place for the big events like World Cup, we might be able to reach a more mainstream audience which would help the sport develop even more! And as a last example - MX has the 125 and 250 classes because equipment gives an unfair advantage in the right hands.
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 @mikelee
In my opinion, many DH courses have evolved as an attempt to capture more viewers through tighter racing, as close times produce a more exciting and less predictable race. Fast speeds and big jumps translate well on screen and create this super tight racing. Ultra steep, sometimes slow and precise, technical and full of rocks and roots is what So many of the pro's prefer, and what we as riders can relate to and want to see, but it can lead to bigger time gaps, and appearance wise does not always translate well to the screen, both of which can hurt viewership.
Such is the nature of racing or anything remotely competitive, we will look for an advantage over our competitors anywhere we can find it, and the often ultra fast wide open nature of some of the current tracks might just lend themselves well to the bigger wheels. Only the clock will tell.
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 @Metacomet: as a counter point you can also look at rampage for an example of how a sport evolved in the wrong direction then made a u-turn back towards its roots.

I know it's not racing but I think it is comparable to the sport evolving to appeal to a larger audience having a negative effect.
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 @Metacomet: what you're saying is bang on. But realistically the sport doesn't appeal to anyone but the people who partake in it. If that's what the powers that be are hoping for then maybe it'll revert back to normal in a few years. The sport is niche,especially dh and enduro. I doubt it'll ever be main stream as there are better sports to watch for the general public like mx or even road cycling. I just think it's a shame it's us who have to go through the changes for their experiment. The wheel size is the most costly part to replace once it's been changed. Requiring a new frame,wheels and forks. Of course bike company's want to make money,but they make plenty already with normal bikes and component sales. Bikes aren't cheap and most hardcore riders have little money.
  • + 4
 @Metacomet: In addition to your comments, the promoters rely on advertising revenue, created as a result of quality media coverage, in order to grow their events. Super tight and twisty technical tracks, especially in densely forested areas, require more camera angles as well as other logistical challenges and costs in order to create the content that will attract continued viewership. These challenges are multiplied in EWS racing coverage due to multiple stages over a much larger area. Imagine being a camera operator dealing with the weather conditions in the first two EWS events this season.

TV/streaming coverage for MTB racing has always carried a substantial risk with limited return on investment for those involved and as a result, prize money for the competitors has remained relatively stagnant for the past 25+ years, especially when considering rising costs and inflation.

I welcome and very much look forward to seeing 29ers in the DH racing mix.
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 Yeah there are a lot of different drivers here I think, but the primary one is just racing in itself and everything that comes with it as it gets scaled up to this level. I am hoping the tracks take a turn back towards the steeper and rougher more gnarly tracks. But as far as 29er DH bikes? I don't think I can really even care about whether or not they exist. Its still a bike and has to be ridden like one. If it's faster in certain situations, isn't that what racing is all about anyway? The only reason someone would legitimately be scared is if they believe they will no longer be able to be competitive without a 29" DH bike, and I'm just not convinced that will unanimously be the case.
Regulating and standardizing and limiting the equipment in DH would be terrible for so many reasons. Where do you draw the line? Are we going to standardize the track too? Think about how much the track changes from the beginning to the end of a race. Is that fair for the last man down? What about weather and environmental influences?
Just like with the rampage analogy, the demand for a change in the track layouts has to come from both the riders and the viewers. Live broadcasting of a DH series is expensive, hosting a WC DH is expensive, having a deep field of riders at these races is hard on the mountains hosting them as the tracks get hammered. So they begin building them to handle more traffic, easier to broadcast, and hopefully more attractive to viewers.
Understandably, everyone Needs to see a return in order to make a race series sustainable, and in the end, that's what we want isn't it?
  • + 14
 For everyone complaining they can't sell their 26" stuff send it my way! I'm getting my first downhill bike soon and am going to take advantage of all the people who feel "forced" to upgrade and sell their perfectly awesome 26" rigs.
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flag mikelee (Apr 16, 2017 at 1:01) (Below Threshold)
 I wouldn't bother mate,unless you want shit tires and no spares for forks,frame and wheels.
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 @mikelee: everything is still there and will be for quite some time because the market is there. You are invalid.
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 @Muckal: it's slowly being fazed out though. Only a tard would invest in new kit that's being made obsolete by the industry that creates it!!! Go on chain reaction and check the limited decent rims,tyres,forks and frames for 26 bikes. 26 is gone and I don't agree it's for the best but it's happened and that's that. 27.5 will be next and f*ck knows what frankenwheel arrives after the 29 is deemed old and slow
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 @Muckal: "everything is still there" as an owner of 6 26" bikes I can attest that NOTHING IS ANYWHERE. No tires, no forks, no rims, anywhere. No bike shop has anything 26, it all has to be special order and it's EXTREMELY limited, once you could walk into a bike shop with a shredded tire or tacod rim and have a bunch of options, widths and price points. Now you are f*cked day is over and you have to wait a week or so to get the one 26inch option the distributor still has that wasn't even the width or profile you wanted. The likelier scenario is they don't have it and you have to look online at shit selection and order, pay shipping, not support your local shop. Want a new fork? Too bad nobody has 26 inch forks anymore, even 2 years ago I couldn't get a Pike in 26 only a fox float and they only had the most expensive price point. Choice is virtually gone beyond the used market. I'm not complaining or making an argument about wheel size, but f*ck this stupid ass "the choice is still there you're just whiney" argument cause it's obviously coming from a place of ignorance. The choice is not there to stay at 26. I don't go on Pinkbike much anymore because all of the new stuff doesn't apply to me, doesn't work with my current bikes. Can't drool over new tech cause it's rarely made for 26. I used to spend thousands a year on bikes, loved custom building bikes, and I genuinely love 26. I love my current frames, I want to keep them. But there's no more customization, pretty much stuck with what I have. I dunno why it's just a no brainer to some people that an industry can make 10 thousand dollar bikes go obsolete in 3 years. Not "oh it's not the new one" but literally obsolete, why? Oh cause gwin was 2 seconds faster on 27.5 and joe blow says it "accelerates faster". I don't care about either of those things, I'm trying to ride my bikes and have fun. There wasn't even much of a slow change, companies made 5 grand plus bikes for years, selling them to people who had saved up for a once in a blue moon purchase, full well knowing that they were planning on totally abandoning it.
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 @mmakuch: I don't think you're looking very hard man. "As an owner of three 26" bikes" (and a 20" and 24" for my kids),I have no problem finding anything and everything I need, new or used. Sure, the local bike shop may not have what I need anymore but they haven't for years. My local shops used to stock all kinds of freeride and DH stuff back in the heyday of the early 2000s but you can't find a dual ply Minion to save your life anymore at a local shop (and I live in the bloody mountains). Does that mean DH is dead just because nobody stocks downhill tires or dual crown forks? Of course not. It just means its no longer the "in" thing and that's all local shops care about... Your 26" bikes are just as valid as they ever were, they're just more of a niche thing instead of mainstream. Keep some spare tires and rims around so you're not waiting for shipping when you break something...and keep an open eye to all the brands out there still making awesome stuff for you and order direct... I just picked up a new Stan's Flow EX wheelset and couldn't be happier. And don't forget, regardless of wheelsizes, you still get to drool over new stems, seats, brakes, cranks, bars, grips, clothes, helmets, drivetrains, etc....
  • + 16
 Can't sell my 26" stuff, now I have to unload my 27, enough already, couldn't you at least wait another 5 years!
  • + 12
 they tried to tell us 29ers would be faster but we didn't want to know and we called them gay. so they invented a gateway wheel size called 650b which we dabbled with before we became hooked. now it doesn't seem so bad to go 29er even i'm considering it after looking at the trek slash 29er.
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 Trek, Santa Cruz and others had a DH 29er bikes last year and they didn't used it in any race, why this year? no pro racer have been seen racing 29ers on pre season races... so they gonna ride a bike in WC without training with the 29er in the pre season? for some tracks 29ers can be good but for most os them I think 27.5 is enough.
I have been racing DH since 1997 with 26 inch bikes last year I got a 27.5 DH bike and I thinks it's amazing and big enough, I'm 1.86m and I hit my but in the rear tire on steep trails much more in the 27.5 than in my old 26. So I don't see myself riding or racing with a 29 DH bike...
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 The pros have a way of maneuvering bikes in ways us mere mortals can't fathom. I think a 29er makes a lot of sense for taller riders. Someone like Greg Minnaar could really benefit from a larger wheel where as a rider like Troy Brosnan might not just because of standover clearance.
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flag mecabeat (Apr 15, 2017 at 17:44) (Below Threshold)
 This is exactly why there should be a wheel size restriction for racing. 29" wheels will give an unfair advantage to riders with longer inseams. Imagine on tracks that are mostly wide open, high speed, where 29" is clearly faster, but there are a couple steep, technical sections that riders have to hang off the back of the bike in order to not go otb. It would mean shorter riders would either not be able to run the faster wheel size, or risk a higher than normal chance of crashing in order to stay competitive.
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 You don't get to decide what is "enough" they do. If they can ride those bikes faster then they will use them.
As for hitting the rear tire thing that will depend on size of bike and style of riding rather than terrain. If you ride a long bike then you won't be hanging off the back "old school" style and your tire won't hit you. I'm 1.8m and I would like to try a 622mm DH bike.
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flag mudmandhbrazil (Apr 16, 2017 at 7:42) (Below Threshold)
 @SintraFreeride: I say what is enough for me I don't a shit of what others will ride.
I am not the king of the truth like you to say what others should do and how they have to ride...I am just giving my opinion just that.
just look at images of DH and enduro races lots of riders with tires marks in the but showing they are hiting the tire.
now imagine a longer wheelbase DH bike with 29 wheel!!! will be the shitiest bike ever impossible to make a turn.
but you like to follow me right? just to be against me, OK have a great Easter.
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 @mudmandhbrazil: I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion. Nor did I say what you should ride I just explained that longer bikes require a different riding style. And long bikes don't make it impossible to turn at all that is just a myth (this I can vouch for from experience).
As I recall from previous interactions I have always tried to stay civil and it was you who started with the insults. I don't celebrate Easter but thanks anyways. I hope you enjoy yours though.
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flag mudmandhbrazil (Apr 16, 2017 at 9:58) (Below Threshold)
 I know very well the benefits of a long wheelbase bike. I had a Schwinn Straight 8 back in the 2000' and that bike was the longest wheelbase of all DH bikes at that time. Now I have a large Reign with custom offset dropout Pike so it has a long wheelbase and my V10 is also XL. So I like a lot long wheel base like you but I disagreed with you when you say a long DH bike with 29 wheels will work good.
do you imagine yourself riding Champery WC track with a long wheelbase 29er???
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 @mudmandhbrazil: Well I haven't tried a DH 29er but if it is just a matter of wheelbase then I don't see the problem. My personal bike has a wheelbase of 1340mm which is about 10cm longer than most DH bikes out there. It works super well in tight turns and is probably the best bike I've ridden at the Champery WC track. The long wheelbase makes going down the drops, steep sections easier and the bike is way more stable at speed. I haven't ridden 29er wheels yet but if they add more stability and make going over rough sections easier then that can only be a good thing. Is there a point where a bike becomes too long? Sure but I think that is closer to 1400mm than 1300mm.
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 Oh gosh i don't want to buy a new bike.
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flag Rossfeld-biker (Apr 15, 2017 at 13:58) (Below Threshold)
 Looks like a Session Wink
Also, the Mondraker team is riding for Sram, on the Picture you can clearly see a Saint Break.
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 @Rossfeld-biker: Actually Danny switched to Shimano this year.....so I presumed all of his team also switched.
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 A 29er DH fork comes out, and 100+ responses later.....meanwhile, I still cant figure out why if gas is so scarce and valuble in the Mad Max movies...why dont you see anyone riding mountain bikes, unstead of V-8 Interceptors?
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 I am still riding my Banshee Wildcard wich does not capable to fit even 27,5" wheel in rear and I am still alive. Maybe 29" is good for DH, but for all the rest average everyday normal guys whom riding their bikes 26" is everything what They want from bicycle industries. Still do not heat the changes and 29ers as well. Cheers for All whom riding no matter if they are have enough money to ride Fox suspension and Them whom ride old Bombers.
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 They are great for straightlining down rock gardens but for a course with a lot of turns (berm to berm jumps) they aren't as nimble. I ran a 29er with a dorado for a few years. More options are always good.
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 I feel like the pros have the unreal skills to manuvure 29ers, look at strobel and mike Jones on nukeproof. That combined with the rollover and extra traction equals speed.
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 Yes, yes, yes, and YES! For a guy that's 6'5" this is awesome. 27.5" bikes just seem too small
  • + 7
 Don't get to excited. The wheels will be bigger but the frames will still be made for average sized riders.
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 i'm 6'8" and i feel right at home on the 3 large DH rigs i have (sunday, legend and DHR, all 26" BTW)
your setup is probably wrong, or your frame is a smaller sized large/XL
#26aintdead (at least in my workshop it aint)
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 Man, you must have hated 26"
  • + 5
 So......27.5 is quicker than 26 but slower than 29" right??? Wont be long before the new "standard" in mountainbike wheel sizes is 36", after all, looking at peoples reactions on here, bigger is faster right? screw this, I am starting my own company and the "standard" wheelsize will be 42".

Who gives a s#@t what wheel size you ride, the main purpose of mountain biking is getting out there and havong some fun. Let the pros who GET PAID to ride their bikes ride whatever the comapnies that sponsor them PAY THEM TO RIDE. Thats the whole purpose of a sponsored ride......RIDE WHAT THE SPONSORS PAY YOU TO RIDE. To the rest of the plebs out there like me and everyother average Joe, STFU and go ride you bike!
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 So basically after everyone needed to buy a 27.5 inch downhill bike, industry tells now that they finally managed to produce new, even better, stable 29 inch downhill weels and suspension and that 27.5 is so much slower, that everybody has to get a new 29er.... what a bullshit!
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 Oh phucken whatever.... One day I'll update to something other than 26", but I still enjoy 26".

That said, we knew a 29" would come to DH eventually.
  • + 5
 Amazing how narrow minded and clueless the majority of the people who ride bikes world wide are. What is a sport if it doesn't progress and improve current standards to make bikes quicker lighter and stronger?

If everyone all rode the same wheel size there would be people moaning that there wasn't enough choice. Now there's tonnes of options and people are bitching about everything.

The truth is most people that hate other wheel sizes do because they have f*ck all experience with them. Bikes need to progress and be more advance, otherwise it would be like football. f*cking dull.
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 I don't give a f*ck what size wheel is on (still riding a 26,and not fast enough),but please don't obligated the don't care people out of options cause it's just stupid and sad that so many brands of bikes and components that preach so many JUST RIDE YOUR f*ckING BIKE ,are cutting the ones that really ride their bikes no matter what. What a joke the industry is becoming.
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 I have both 27.5 and 29 and find myself riding the 29er a lot more. Not surprised to hear this news. To be fair, my 29er is more of a Trail/XC and the 27.5, I consider to be en Enduro bike. In the end, I just enjoy riding, regardless of wheel size.
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 Lol here we go marketing genius's waiting to fill their wallets from all the dumb idiots who believe the hype. Don't reply just get your cash out n make the rich people happy. Bring back skin suits and no peaks that'll make you faster than a bigger wheel lol Oh there isn't any money to be make of skin suits!!!!!!
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 To all the haters: If 29ers make it easier to go faster, and going faster is more fun, why the hell should we have UCI regulating wheel sizes to tell us to go slower and stop having more fun? DH racing is about speed, so lets add a little!
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 Just pop a message to me, and I'll arrange picking up all of your old 27.5" gear. I'll accept wheels, tyres, frames and forks for recycling.
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 On a completely serious note. Let me ask you guys who are pro 29" for DH. At what point will you finally stop and question? 30" 30.5" 31.0"
Seriously how far will you guys go? Please for the love of god stop buying into whatever they come up with. Riders get better faster every year even if they stayed on the same gear. Courses are geared toward current trends, you know that right?
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 It will be like suspension travel. DH bikes tried over 200mm for a few years and then decided 200mm was perfect. Head angles were also tested and now 63-63.5º is the norm. So it will be with wheelsize.
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 They will probably stop at the point it gets slower again, due to weight, difficult handling, weaker wheels, suspension restrictions
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 ...36ers are gay?
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 "is that a 36er... UGH!"
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 Evidently summum likes bigger wheels.
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 World Cup DH is the bleeding edge of technology and what it allows a rider to do. I think its awesome to see teams pushing the envelope and trying new things. If designing a totally different bike with a different wheelsize made you faster and gave you a better chance to win races, you'd do it. Who knows if 29" Downhill bikes are actually faster, but I think it's awesome when these teams allocate big resources to trying knew things in the search for speed. It's this kind of innovation that keeps the sport progressing and allowing more people to have more fun on bikes. I still have a 26" hardtail trek from 2001 that is a fun bike but there is no way I'm ripping that thing out of the garage with the illusion of hitting PR's on all the nearby Strava segments. Time will tell if these 29" wheels are faster. I know for me, I would be hesitant. At 215 lbs of smoothly sculpted beer belly, I tend to get a lot of wheel flex from even stout 29" wheels when I huck them into some real cobble or hit a berm just right. That might be the only downside I can think of, other than it might not feel as fun riding a 29er. They tend to mute the terrain a bit when you're looking to hop and pop.
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 Rode a jeffry last half year, now a couple of weeks on a spitfire actually still 26. Jeffsy has pike and monarch. Spitty Deville and pushed fox. Bottom line (for me) although 29 might be faster to straight-line rock gardens the smaller wheel size makes it up through better suspension components. On courses that have a lot of up and down the quicker acceleration beats the faster terminal velocity. Smaller wheels are more fun to huck, Also they are more fun to do stuff in tighter corners. Traction wise i think it is a draw despite jeffry having WT minions versus regular ones on the spitty. I think the spitty leans deeper into corners. I think i like the smaller wheels more. Going to go 27.5 soon rather than back to jeffsy 29. I am not saying it is bad, after a bit of getting used to it i wasntthinkin about it any more, could do fun stuff with it but when at the limit handling wise it think i like the more flickable wheels more. Let me get away with stuff and make things exciting. 29 have later limits and when you get there it is more slow motion, less exciting i feel.
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 Interesting revew. Just to throw this in there:

29ers do not have higher terminal velocities. If you started a 26" wheel and a 29" wheel rolling at the top of a (smooth) hill, the 29er would get to the bottom last and would be moving slower. This is because 29ers have higher rotational enertia.

What a 29er does do better than a 26 is roll over things. That same higher rotational inertia means the 29er is harder to stop. This is why they appear to have higher speeds - after plowing through a bunch of crap on the trail, they slow down less.
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 @WaterBear: bingo, but to button up that post, lets not use 'roll over' as it's a marketing term. it has a different meaning in engineering speak.
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 @atrokz: My curiosity is piqued. What is the meaning in the world of engineering?
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 @WaterBear: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover. This is what this term means to just about everyone outside of cycling, rolling over.... In helicopter flying, it means something else (lateral rolling tendency). In software, it means something else (Java), and in finance, something else entirely. This is extra confusing because 'roll' is used also in roll moment, roll center, etc pertaining to the roll of a vehicle and applies to bikes as well. roll index is the ratio between steering torque and roll or lean angle. which means roll should stick to it's actual meaning (turning related). Rolling over, as a explanation, works, rollover as a definition is marketing speak.
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 @atrokz: Word. Thanks.
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 I only hope this doesn't fuel the bike park trend, if I was building tracks next year I'd want to add some tight twisties to slow the 29 and 27.5 down. I'd imagine we're not far off the top people people running wheel size by track. I think it's a good thing to progress and it will probably be looked back on Like they did with vollouz switching between clipless and flats.

Give it 2 years and we'll have 28.5 ????????
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 LOL this is great!!! I've stucked with 26 cause is cheap AF, not that I have something against 27.5, buuuut, in two or three years when everyone is running 29 cause in the new cool, we'll grab bargain 27.5 stuff as well, plenty of frame and fork options we don't have now
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 Having seen how ski racing has gone be glad for innovation. Save the complaining for when the governing body starts regulating wheel size
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 While 29" wheels will likely work for world cup racers that are sponsored and can get expensive lightweight carbon DH wheels... for the average Joe, I'm sure that mid or low range DH 29er models will have heavy/porky wheels.
  • + 4
 Maybe this bike is for Florent Payet, would make more sense for a 6'6 guy instead of Danny hart or Laurie Greenland who are both pretty small
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 And they showed a loooong aluminium proto for him few days or weeks ago.
  • + 4
 Today I rode my old school 26" Cannondale Prophet. Why? Because that's what I've got. I had a blast and I will next time as well. Keep calm and ride on.
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 Could be a 29" on the front and a 27.5" on the rear.
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 Like an over-sized Cam Zink Rampage style bike.
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 UCI rules state both wheels must b same diameter
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 Liteville style
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 @MmmBones: really? They won't tell you which size to use but they do tell you both wheels need to be the same size? Makes perfect sense, UCI!
  • + 5
 April Fools!! Wait... that was 2 weeks ago.
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 So rad.... I say bring it on... "Pick a wheel size and be a dick about it"....29ers rule.
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 This is starting to get ridiculous now. Maybe understandable if its a better ride and/or feel when riding it would be fine but if racers are choosing this this just for speed shits too serious. Downhill used to be going out and getting rad on bikes, bring back the good times.
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 So DH racers are taking speed too serious?
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 @bressti: In a way, yes. They are all about making every millisecond when really they need to get back to the roots and get out and get rowdy with the boys #FTB
  • + 6
 PB blow up... get ready
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 T-Minus 10 Minutes. . .
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 It is funny how people get crazy over 29 or plus wheels because they "flatten" the trails but they don't mind running crazy long forks and ultra aggressive geometries.
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 I just met a guy on a 29" hardtail mtb in town. He was wallowing forward with his big wheels, like Treebeard in Lord if the Rings: "I always like going South, somehow it feels like going downhill."
Maybe that motivated Mondraker to put 29" wheels on a downhill bike.
I am very stubborn and still prefer 26", so for my downhill bike, a Mondraker Summum 2013, I laced myself new 26" Notubes Flow mk3 rims on Hope pro 4 with 2.5 wide Magic Mary Vertstar. I don't think it can get much better than that.
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 I think most people have no issues with change and improvement in areas that don't make our expensive bikes obsolete. That said I still manage to buy whatever I need for my ancient 2011 26er and so much of the wailing is unnecessary.
I do think that 29er dh bikes will work but they won't actually improve the sport or the riders experience. I think there will be reliability issues and there is such a thing as too big when it comes to building a bike that needs to be thrown around like a dh bike does. I predict that the top riders will win no matter what wheel size bike they are on. Would be the same if there were 26, 27.5 or 29" wheels in the mix. Sam Hill and Jared Graves have already established that.
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 Chill the f*ck down. We all know it's going to happen. Move along and ride your da*n bike FFS. Because the make it doesn't mean you have to own it..
I'm starting to loose faith in the bike community. Again...
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 sometimes i lose faith in people when they misspell lose
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 If that's the only size they end up making then yes,yes you will have to own it!!
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 Wasn't it Vernon who wrote the article on 2017 being the year of the 29er? The Propehcies have come true!
  • + 3
 Every dog has his day
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 I wonder what new axle standard will come about because of this.... 197mm Double secret probation super boost
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 I was getting real worried for a sec there, but I just went and checked and the wheel size on my bike didnt change. I think were all going to be okay.
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 Oh common why cant we make the biggest wheel size already. just make the 99er already itll roll faster and have faster performance. I assure you its safe cause the bike and the rider isnt leaving the ground!
  • + 1
 I ride a 29+ winter rat. Those big wheels command momentum like a bus. It likes to sweep turns. Stays out of holes better. It floats in soft stuff. I spend a lot of time standing on the pedals. The drawbacks go away pointing down. The hubs are higher in relation to the bb for a planted feel.
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 And apparently the Athertons are on something past the first generation of Trek 29" DH bikes. There was an article on dirt mountain bike about the latest incarnation here: dirtmountainbike.com/bike-reviews/downhill-bikes/inside-trek-rd.html
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 I have all three wheel sizes in my garage. I simply am not a fan of 29" wheels. My thought is that the "industry wants to standardize on one wheel size in the end and it's gonna be the one that I hate.
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 Yeah I bet they had Danny Hart try a 29er dh bike because he has the lowest chance of destroying the hell out of the big rims in one race. They should try 29 in the front and 27.5 in the back like another low-key bike company does.
  • + 0
 The 29 might make a difference on a WC course for a pro, but in my experience 29s aren't as maneuverable as the smaller wheel sizes. I might just be my BMX background, but I like whipping and jumping my 26" Norco Aurum and can't see a 29 making a weekend blast any more fun. That said, I like to see innovation, but what happened to improvements? They have wireless electronic shifting on road bikes now...
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 This is the big hit all over again. I don't personally think the pros will be running 29 front and rear just front and 27.5 rear, they need the strength of a 27.5 on the back simple as that but with the roll over benefits of a 29 on the front it kinda makes sense as much as I hate to admit it. Look at the fose mixer for instants that's the way dh bikes will go I put money on it.
  • + 1
 I can see a 29er DH mtb being good for tall riders 6ft4 and up. I remember seeing an article of someone using a 29er dorado fork on a lenz pbj frame with a 157mm rear end. Looked sick Smile
  • + 1
 29" on dh can cause serious butt scrape.
....... and then you just have to hope it doesn't go beyond the butt and reach your "precious" ...... Wink
....... else people are gonna start needing some crotch protectives Razz
  • + 4
 They are going to be fast.... Can`t wait to see the 29 vs 27.5....
  • + 4
 These comments have been fun to read. Thanks, everyone.
  • + 4
 The 26" babies just filled their diapers...again...
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 No...Actually, we're just laughing our asses off still at all the industry suck ups who'll buy anything they tell you to.....and most of them are still the slowest guys on the trails. As soon as they tell you 30" is next thing you'll jump on that to.
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flag JMBMTB (Apr 15, 2017 at 14:48) (Below Threshold)
 @bikebike69:industry suck ups or just people who prefer to go a bit faster? i'm guessing you're probably the type that hasn't tried anything other than 26 so likes to make themselves feel better by trying to put down people riding a different wheel size as industry suck ups... bit sad really mate just ride your bike and stop whining
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 @JMBMTB: ..well little boy. I'm 47 and started racing when BMX started. Still DJ to this day. Raced in XC,DH,DS since then. Commuted by road bike for years,still ride fixed as well. I've owned and still own almost every wheel sized there's been. So yeah, I kind a have quite a bit of knowledge and experience.
Certain wheel sizes are keen to certain environments, I know where each excels.....from experience. Maybe listen to people who actually have it.
By all means proceed with the old guy jokes.
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 @bikebike69: Old guy.
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 @bikebike69: 29 is clearly faster or the pros would not use them! Maybe you noticed that all of Santa Cruz's enduro squad are on 135mm travel Hightowers instead of 165mm Nomads? Perhaps you should go back to rigid frame & fork with canti brakes? Such is your anti-progressive logic.
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flag JMBMTB (Apr 15, 2017 at 15:57) (Below Threshold)
 @bikebike69: well seeing as 29 & 27.5 have only come around fairly recently i'd say it's fair to say i've got as much experience with those wheel sizes as you and having owned and tried every single wheel size (haven't owned 29 but have tried it with many different bikes in different places on different tracks) I can safely say it's called personal preference, calling someone an industry suck up because they have personal preference is stupid, if you're 47 you've had enough time to figure that out..., having also timed the different wheelsizes thusfar i have been fasted on 27.5 followed by 29 and then 26.. i don't have anything against any wheelsize but it doesn't take much intelligence to figure it's not industry suckups so much as what you prefer riding however continue with your stupid badly thought out arguments about how it's sucking up to the industry if thats what makes you happy
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 @JMBMTB: ... So honestly, if they come out with a 30" wheel next you'll say the EXACT same thing?
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 @bikebike69: I would say that based on my experience, 29 is faster for me at 6'-2" tall. The bigger wheels clearly make less of the terrain. However I think any bigger and it would really compromise rider position. 29" wheels do buzz my ass on the steeps. A 5' tall petson should be on a smaller wheel. There is a parallel between wheel size and ski length relative to rider height/cg imo.
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 @bikebike69: No 29" is right on the limit with stack height and wheel strength. In fact if the geniuses who started building 650b bikes went with 28" instead that might have been the only game in town.
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flag Maverickdh00 (Apr 15, 2017 at 22:23) (Below Threshold)
 @Golden-G: no the tracks they are riding them on are clearly faster, are you watching the same thing!

Que Enduro, do you see 29ers dominating Enduro, No why the tracks, if ever it was going to be about wheel size it would be Enduro first, this is a reflection of the state of DH and DH tracks and Red Bull TV and the ghey UCI...

That's said I am on 29ers lol... but that's because I'm old and broken down!

The next step is E -bikes, but Ill die before I swing a leg over that crap for general riding on trails built by real people.
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 @bikebike69: I'll bet we're also experienced enough to know that the industry will be pushing 26 again when it becomes profitable for them. All it takes is for freeride or 4X to have a boost in popularity an get some marketing hype to keep people buying new stuff
  • + 3
 Bike bike 69 wins this for me
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 @bikebike69: yep, if i'm faster on 27.5 than 29 i'd be slower with 30 and obviously wouldn't ride them, i don't mind 29 but wouldn't use 30 because it would be slower, 29 is the upper limit which is good for XC and still fun for enduro and possibly even quicker for some DH tracks but i wouldn't go any bigger as it wouldn't be as fun or as good which is also why they won't be made...
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 @jclnv: I doubt that, because if there is only one game you can only sell one game.
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 @jaame: They're loosing a shit ton of money with having to make all these options. Dealers not ordering stock due to so many options etc. It's the reason Giant put all their eggs in the 650b basket.
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 @jclnv: if they stay in business they aren't losing money
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 It's has 190mm of travel and it is strapped to a Trek Session. For more: dirtmountainbike.com/bike-reviews/downhill-bikes/inside-trek-rd.html
  • + 0
 All this hype just a fork/bike designed to win one race.........
DH world cups are fast becoming like F1. All the latest tech so riders can gain tenths of a second. Thank f*ck for young riders Ike Bruni who are willing to send it or die trying
\M/
  • + 2
 I have 26 mega tr and yt tues. Just sitting watching where and when it all ends.... when they finnaly stop somewher i get a new bike.... lol
  • + 4
 Cant wait for all them crappy old 26ers to be sold cheap to me
  • + 1
 Now is not the good time to buy a mountain bike. There's some big climate change going on in the market. Enjoy whatever bike you have right now. Wait for the dust to settle (and save some money).
  • + 3
 Simple geometry.... a big wheel go over all better than a little...

In MX use same wheels of MOTOGP????

Not!!!!
  • + 2
 Wtf bike industry! Everyone just jumped on board with 650B DH bikes and now your throwing 29ers in. Next we'll be seeing the 36" make the scene lol
  • + 0
 I think everyone forget that luke strobel has been riding a carbon 29er dh bike from evil for 2 full seasons and Cole Picc from cali was product development for trek he has a 29er aluminum trek session for 2 years know his father works for trek for 25 years ......u ever take a stock truck off roading suxs ...just get bigger tires and so much fun .....well same with a bike the problem is u get people complaining cause they have no money to buy a new bike ...well if u had the money and into biking u wouldn't complain. ....I've tested alot bikes and 29er def the best for biking ...but 27.5 is almost the same as 29 u just get people that don't know anything ....if u can ride a bike the wheel size doesn't matter skills come with in the person riding not the bike
  • + 3
 Yay! Let's make the tracks rougher..... So we can build bikes that soak it up like 26" on smoother tracks
  • + 1
 I love that you guys all have an opinion like they have not heaped hundreds of thousands of dollars in to R&D. Like you even really understand the minute details of it all.
  • + 3
 Let the "27.5 for life!" Douchery begin!
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 f*ck IT, LET'S JUST GO 36" WHEELS
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 Cant wait for talent, skill and fitness to trump wheel size come 30 April.

Bet the YT Mob are not on 29ers. Recon its Gwins season in the bag as the other riders battle those windmills and wobbly rims :-) .

Bring it on!
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 In my opinion, UCI should make some rules (restrictions) for UCI DH WC about wheel size and other tech spec. Same wheel sizes for all riders. Let them show up who`s better on (almost) identical bike no matter if it will be 26", 27,5" or 29".
  • + 0
 If 29 is 10% larger than 26, wouldn't making 26" wheeled frame 10% larger in every aspect, give in proportion the same geometry as the smaller 26.... Making it sweet if one was tall and wanted a large bike.
  • + 1
 First year guys will be flying off the tracks. I predict more fouls this year for course boundary infraction. At those speeds you cant turn a niner worth of shit.
  • + 3
 It's the 15th of April not the 1st!!!
  • + 1
 I'm running a 2.8" on the front of my 951, with plenty of room to spare.
Don't jump too quickly on the 29" DH bandwagon, as 27.5+ is gonna be right behind it
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 Racers, choose your wheel size
  • + 4
 I like mangos.
  • + 2
 Hey! Every racers, in the next UCI DH 2018 let ride Fatty DH bike for race.
  • + 1
 why does anyone care? Let's just wait and see what the results are this year, if the 29er really help any of them in the results.
  • - 1
 29ers are okay for the XC crowd, who are just roadies anyway. But there are major issues with the huge wheels. For example: Cornering. The 26 inch wheel has been used for ages because it works. The bigger wheels get, the wider hubs get, and the fatter the components. Where will it end? Boost hubs are already nearly as wide as MOTORCYCLE HUBS!
  • + 3
 Isn't it a little late for April Fool's jokes!
  • + 2
 What was that brand that said twenty Niners are dead and they only sell 27.5?
  • + 3
 I told you guys about this 10 year's ago ___o^o____=___O^O____
  • + 2
 @foxracingshox Put me on a waiting list for the Fox 49. Send it up to OGC in Canada ASAP. I'll take one.
  • + 4
 Yuck
  • + 1
 I'm thinking about hart and Greenland on 29ers. Tall guys and 29ers. Smart.
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 650b was only a transition standard 29er will be the mainstream mtg wheel size in a couple of years
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 My 29r sucks on the dirt jumps.
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 In recent years the biking industry is acting like the US pharmaceutical mafia.
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 So reading these comments, WW3 will either break out over North Korea having Nukes, or the MTB wheel size "debate".
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 I can see my self doing a crazy fast switchback on a 29er and the wheel folding in two.
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 This is huge news. Exciting!! Glad I held off on buying a DH bike, 29 will be the way to go.
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 Bike companies don't want to sell bike's they want to go faster !
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 My wheels are so small....
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 Now wait for 29" DH E-bikes racing the WC
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 I can't wait for 20mm boost axles
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 GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!

26" parts will be even more cheaper !!!!!!!
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 Hmm, not sure if 650B was just to help transition to the "right" size or just another cash grab
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 Probably gonna be down voted, but if they are to build dh bikes around 29" wheels most if them are gonna look butt ugly. I can't be the only one to think 29" bikes look weird with those big wheels..
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 hmm not sure if 650B was just to help the non believers transition to the right wheel size or just another cash grab
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 Pinkbike community is awesome. So many quality comments I'm enjoying this post
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 I'd known this day would come when I saw 180 option of 29'' Lyrik on Sram's web.
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 I like it! Don't see why there are so many haters here on Pinkbike. No one moaned about 29" bikes in any other discipline, or 27.5 for that matter.
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 Just because they are using 29" forks does not necessarily mean the rear wheel will be 29".
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 No, but in this case they are. It's a proto Trek Session.
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 Emperors new clothes.
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 26 is getting harder to find...29 may be faster but they are not more fun to ride.
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 There goes the neighborhood...
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 Drop handlebars
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 Omg!! Cmon peoples..
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 I'll be able to upgrade from my 26" to 27.5 for cheep now.
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 #275forlife
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 All the teams should just agree to stay on 27.5. If they all move to 29, then no one gets any advantage anyway???
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 More hub and BB standard changes. That's the first thing that came to mind.
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 29DH Passing you soon.
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 27.5+ DH Case tires. Fast? Grip?
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 Thank you for keeping the 26" dual crowns forks at an all time steal of a price!
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 check out danny's roots and rain at his most recent race.

www.rootsandrain.com/rider795/danny-hart/photos
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 I'd like to see 29ers being ridden on those skinny tree bridges Danger Dan used to make AND ride Smile
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 29 for DH, not on the East cost my friend!
Not enough strength.
Bluemountain and mountain would claim, 29 29" wheels the every weekend.
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 Come on guys, you really missed a bet here--what's 40 + 29?
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 News Flash!!!! Canada Goose sells out of stock as Hell has frozen over and the damned need to stay warm.
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 I love lamp.
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 *Butthole puckers* IT'S REALLY HAPPENING!
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 Could've just used a Dorado.
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 Yeah or go ride your fking bike!
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 I don't know, thinking that shadow looks like a session
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 Who scrolled all the way down here??
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 Me
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 I hope they know April 1st was 15 days ago, because this is a joke right?
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 The bigger the better, sorta, sometimes, maybe
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 Canfield Riot ????➡️ Not Gay!
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 Cool. Still won't ride itself
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 i do believe soon there will be even 40" wheels with Fox 59 RAD kind of be fast and furious, but look stupid !!
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 Have some nice testing in my country guys
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 There will be a 29er in the top 10 at worlds this year in OZ. Now go fight about it.
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 It's not all about outright speed..... fun is important too! 27.5 is the perfect balance, hope this doesn't catch on
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 Sorry, but I beg to differ. DH mountain bike racing is all about speed, just like XC. Fun can be had on any wheel size.
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 @teamtoad: Not everyone races though.... some of us just ride for fun!
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 All this hype over a fork/designed for one race venue.......
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 Im holding out for the 36" wheel models
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 KHS: Hate to say I toll you so
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 my 140mm-Rear/160mm-Front 29er is really fast! can´t wait to try a DH 29!
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 Twenty niner didn't win the fist two EWS races so hey ho nothing to worry about
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 I'm getting Too Old for This. Give Me My 26 and i'll have All the Fun i'm looking for
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 I just got my float40s for my 650b. EF you Fox! ????????
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 whatever gwin rides...he will win on. 26, 27.5 or 29
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 I might just ride hardtails now
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 cant wailt for 27.5+ dh bike
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 I'm just waiting for the Fox 29er with 60mil lowers....
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 things where the world doesnt need....
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 #275forlyfe
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 gross
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 they will be bringing back lycra bodysuits to go with the 29ers.
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 Those 26" wheeled holdouts??? Oh boy
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 29. how I roll.
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 What's the big deal?
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 Check Amaury Pierron's instagram. Testing a 29er or I'n getting blind..
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 26 will never die!!!!
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 It's jus taking a nap Wink
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 Um roda 29 numa bike.... eu so quero bikes com roda 29, para estrada, xc, enduro e dh
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 @beeboo Your dream!!!
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 I like this Big Grin
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 Why?
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 So long as Danny wins
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 OKAY, stop the world, I wan't to hop out... hahahahhaha
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 Please: add vomit alert on title.
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 R.I.P 27.5 ????
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 29" fron't 24" rear ;-)
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 YAASSSS!
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 49mm stanchions?
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 I'm all for 29 on the front of any back, not on the back end though
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 Maybe the 49 stands for 49mm stanchons?
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 29er's are fast but not fun! True story!!!
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 So the world cup has riders running 3 different wheel sizes now?
Lol...
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 Can you name any UCI DH riders still on 26" wheels? Isn't everybody on 27.5 now?
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