An S-Works frame or carbon Yeti just a little too common for your liking? A US-made Alchemy not exotic enough? Have I got something for you... Made in Barcelona, Spain, the 130mm-travel, 29'' wheeled Unno Dash is about as extravagant as it gets this side of not having a motor. And Unno ain't exactly modest about what they've created, either: ''The Dash mixes geometry, wheel size and travel to generate the closest idea to mountain biking perfection we could think of.''
Damn thing better be good then, especially for the - get this - €5,000 that Unno wants for a frame and custom Öhlins STX 22 Air shock that you order straight off their website. That puts you up in some rarefied air, too, with Unno saying that they'll only build 50 Dash frames per year.
Unno DashIntended use: trail / all-mountain
Travel: 130mm
Wheel size: 29''
Frame construction: carbon fiber
Head angle: 65.5°
Chainstay length: 430mm
Reach: 455mm
Sizes: Medium only
Weight: 28lb 11oz (as pictured w/o pedals)
Price: €5,000 (frame, Öhlins STX 22 Air shock)
More info:
www.unno.com Don't want to have to think about assembling your own Dash? Unno has just decided to offer complete bikes, with the 'budget' model being the €6,350 Elite bike that comes with a Fox Float 34 Performance fork, e13 wheels, and a SRAM GX Eagle drivetrain. For €8,650, you can get the 'Factory' bike that's pretty close to what's pictured here.
Unno is far from being some unknown, low-volume start-up, although I wouldn't be surprised if the name is new to some riders. The main man behind Unno is Cesar Rojo, along with his design studio, Cero, although they focus mostly on contract work for other brands who would rather no one know that, along with development for KTM and Superbike teams. Rojo is also responsible for Mondraker's dual-link Zero Suspension layout and the long reach, short stem Forward Geometry concept that's now employed by countless companies.
So yeah, Unno has some chops. That doesn't mean this thing is an automatic winner, though, even if we can all agree that it's a stunner. There's nothing ground-breaking here technology-wise, and nothing that hasn't been done before when it comes to the Dash's rear suspension, which means that it's not relying on some sort of fresh engineering witchcraft to blow minds.
Instead, it just needs to perform really damn well using somewhat conventional means.
Unno's frames are manufactured in-house, but Rojo goes even deeper into its production than that, with them even owning their own carbon-cutting machine and manufacturing their own molds. That's right, Unno makes their own molds using their own CNC machines at their Barcelona HQ. Rojo even built their own destruction and CEN testing machines, too. That's as about in the house as in-house gets.
The last time I had a bike this interesting in my test stable, it was Zerode's gearbox-equipped Taniwha and I posted a '
Tell Me What You Want to Know' primer that garnered a load of great questions. So let's do this again:
What do you want to know about the Unno Dash? Tell me in the comment section below.
>160 cases of beer
.....at least there's that.
@gbeaks33:
But $1 Canadian equals(roughly) $.00000000000000001 U.S., so 'cheap' is a relative term
At least the weed's cheap.
"Life is too long to drink good beer"
Living in Toronto - I can tell you there are more beautiful people here than anywhere I've traveled. Has to do, I think, with the multiculturalism here. Toronto is so diverse - it's awesome. And I don't know anyone here who owns a gun.
But I'm not sure I want 30 Budweiser
Oh jeebus - I just found 36 packs of Bud for $21.00 near me.....
www.totalwine.com/lager/light-lager/bud-light/p/311125-3?glia=true&s=1128&pid=cpc:Shopping+US+CALI+ENG+SPART:::google:&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImILFvbSs3AIVBdVkCh0oQwwHEAQYASABEgJbvPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
+CRV which is gonna be a couple bucks
Jesus...
He's OK, apparently. damn
Damn, Chubby - I've been waiting for your first post since 2014! You certainly picked an appropriate thread.
Also allows a rezi shock + bottle cage.
I put a Fox on it because it's what I know + parts availability and ease of service (in Santa Cruz )
I’m not sure of that evaluation. I’ve got an enduro and that o-lean sucked from day 1. I replaced it with a x2 coil and it’s been running perfectly for 16 months. Let’s not even get into the rxf 36 air and what a turd that is.
Even if the shock is working you need to service it. Only a few can service it and it also will cost double what rs , DVO or fox would cost. Cc is also more expensive...
- Rides insanely well in all kinds of situations when you're pushing it. Expected the straightline, corner and steep capability, but it eats up uphill switchbacks too.
- Rewards being pushed, feels like it's saying "why are you riding me" when riding slow and toodly.
- Bottom bracket is stupid low esp. at sag. Get short cranks. Also, thick cranks such as Praxis Lyft+ do NOT fit (bigass chainstay)
- Seattube too long. Limited me in dropper selection.
- It's reaally freakin' stiff. Put aluminum or "compliant carbon" wheels on it unless you're a big guy who wants the stiffest setup.
- Frame guard on bottom too short. Got a scrape right above it. Downieville rocks and sloppy maneuvers (see low bb)
- Fox DPX2 nixes bottle (ok for cargo cage)
- Cesar and his team are very responsive.
- It's so pretty. Is it worth the price of admission? Only if you care about the backstory AND are going to ride the f*cking piss out of it.
I got lucky and love the story behind the frame. Rationally and financially speaking, I'd say you're better off getting a carbon smuggler though. Let's see how it does faced with moar rockssss.
Yeah it had better be. But just sayin', once the review drops it would be cool to see a few thoughts against other nice, but standard, mid travel 29ers (instinct, stumpy, sight, Fuel EX, switchblade) as well as a $3500 carbon of the shelf value brand bike like the Jeffsy. And no, the target market isn't the same. Just curious what the extra 7 grand buys you.
@vtracer:
Jeffsy needs an update! Jeff29 for example needs to be specced with a longer travel fork and needs to be stretched out a lot (XL is too small for a 6ft rider wtf) and slackened at least a degree. Then i'd consider one!
Also, even if it is identical, it could just be patented in Spain rather than the US.
I would liken this to a Pagani (although with Pagani you aren't quite as in-house since the engine's sourced from Mercedes-AMG). You are getting the absolute best in terms of material quality and construction, but the money is in the style, presentation and exclusivity. From a riding performance standpoint, you aren't getting anything objectively measurable over a less-boutique brand's top-tier bike.
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On a less pedantic note, is the build quality and general 'feel' of the bike noticably different from one of those $10k Chinese Super Sleds? If this thing said Mondraker on the side would the difference be apparent to someone who doesn't know the bike's provenence?
- Riding difference to comparable other frames?
- Are you even able to properly throw the bike around the trail when the frame alone costs more than [insert whatever here]?
To drift back to bikes though, the more I would pay for a bike the harder I would expect to be able to ride it. If you aren't paying for better quality and performance, what are you paying for?
Nope you take her for salad so she’s not sluggish and full when you take back and (blank) the bee-Jesus out of her
On another note, Fox 2019 forks include 26" options, Maxxis has 26" options new and ready. Hope and I9 for example offer hubs in for 135 q/r, 135 thru, 142, Boost, 157, etc. etc. Folks like MRP and a few others offer all sorts of adapters for old hubs to work on Boost frames and forks. I see bars and stems with 31.8 and 35 out there brand new as we speak. Why is everyone bitching so much? If you are buying a bike for resale value, you are doing it wrong.
wait, so you're saying there's no correlation between how much i spew on PB vs how fast i am on the bike? Whatever man.
The other kind of frame stiffness and headtube size.
Getting plenty thank you very much
(not that I'm in this tax bracket)
What is important to me is their warranty and durability of their frames. I've had a lot of problems with carbon cracking. Is the woven product any better? Do they have distribution in canada?
@dontcoast good on you for buying the bike you wanted and worked hard for. Enjoy.
Boutique bikes push the envelope (this geo was published a couple years ago...what are big brands making now...), look awesome, and involve interesting and inspiring stories.
At the end of the day, they're also just bikes.
I have the same respect for any rider, on any bike, based on their level of stoke, sharing trail and not wreck the fun for others. 10x bonus for trail work. (shoutout to the super happy kid doing multiple laps on a huffy)
Back to Unno - someone name another carbon bike made (not just designed) by people who are all super stoked on bikes and/or carbon engineering, living a decent life in a wonderful place. Does the bike ride that much better? Maybe just a little tiny bit. Do I trust the carbon more, and the ability to get a hold of the people who actually made the thing and all the aluminum bits too? Absolutely. Would I rather give them my money? Absolutely. Is there anything wrong with riding a mass production bike? Of course not.
We're all really lucky to get to just buy nice toys and play in the woods. I'm really lucky and I hustle hard.
This was the first bike that really checked off my wishlist. Carbon Smuggler and a few others launched shortly thereafter that come close. This bike just makes me extra stoked.
Very curious to see what your thoughts are on this one @mikelevy , keep bringing both boutique and entry/direct midrange bikes to the review table. More "shootouts" between similar category/pricepoint products, too please.
assuming listed weight is without shocks it's also significantly heavier
Dash just fit my riding style/trails/preferences more
Cesar could have easily taken his designs to Taiwan and used cheaper materials to make a similar looking bike, but it wouldn’t have ever been up to his standards or what he wants his brand to be.
He’s selling completes now that compete against many other brands top tier pricing, he’s just not selling himself short on his product, something no master artisan should be forced to do...
If someone wants to buy a cheaper bike over theirs no one will give the slightest of f*cks, but to try and compare them to the cheaper option just because of “names” is hugely disrespectful to the skill these guys have and how long it’s taken to develope their craft...
Q: So, let’s say you made a mountain bike frame the same way you would have to for the aerospace industry with high-end lay-up, what would you think would be a realistic figure per frame when it comes to cost?
A: You wouldn’t get much change from € 50,000 really, it would be huge amounts of money
enduro-mtb.com/en/starling-murmur-29-beauty-custom-geometry-starling-cycles
You’re paying less for something mass produced with much less care for many important details.
Bias alert- I like to think Indy Fab has something very good going on with the shot-peening to relieve weld stress. But I'm just a bike addict... not a metallurgist.
Cesar is building bikes in the middle ground here. He’s well above what’s “acceptable” in the bike industry, but not certifying it for aerospace use, because it’s a bike, for Earth not Mars... $5k for a very well made frame is pretty damn reasonable in my opinion.
I don’t understand why so many people get mad about him charging $5k for a frame. Go buy a yt or Commencal, his feelings won’t be hurt. But if the market exists to sell bikes at his level, then why hate him for doing so? I don’t see everybody hating on Rollex or Ferrari’s at the same time. At the end of the day, it’s still just a product that people have free choice to buy or not to buy, based on what they feel is their own acceptable budget.
You can spend as much as you want building a bike, but really it only needs to be fit for purpose. I wanna get back to Klunkers, just as much fun with limited tech. Might hang onto disc brakes though!
Nothing on this bike screams "worth it' to me. What is "worth it!" to you on this bike?
Trying to figure out which makes me cooler and which I would rather talk about: how the carbon construction on the Unno is better than your carbon or how crazy geometry and aluminum is actually better than your carbon.
Will this bike fit on the Kuat rack I have on the back of my Model X?
Do Cane Creek eeWings fit?
Did you know the guy who trims my hedges rides a Santa Cruz? Pretty cool!
Because the frame is not made in Taiwan or China.
All other brands like Commencal, YT, Specialized, Trek, Canyon,... made their bikes (frames) in Aisa.
And then you wonder, why YT industris have successed so quickly...
I asked price of an Ibis Ripmo in France with Fox factory suspensions, X01 eagle... 8500 euros! If I go for XX1 + Enve wheels it would easily be above 10000 euros and same Specialized, Trek, Santa Cruz.
Yes, Unno frame only option is very expensive but complete bike is not.
And for the size, 455 reach is more than a Large SB 5.5 for example.
Or more appropriately, how do you feel abput that frame when you're doing something wildly silly on that Unno when you're so typically underbiked on a Squamish death chute?
checking the unno website. how come their own bar/stem combo isnt specced on the full build?
- How will warranties be handled? Is there anything like a crash replacement?
- Why Öhlins I would prefere something more "mainstream" in terms of "serviceable"
- will it be a goud trail bike for almountain "overnighters" stuff or is it an enduro with less travel.
- is it silent ?
- disasemble the bottom bracket and put it back together willl it squeeck ?
- is the Seattube to high for small riders which like to ride Medium?
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- what would be the prize you would pay 2500, 3000, 3500, 4000 .....
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and to be fair, I think my next bike would be a commencal (the 180mm travel high pivot one with the idler).. now that Im not racing, with zero sponsorship and riding only for fun, something a bit cheaper and heavier isnt really an issue.
can we change the name of this website to cheapbike.com please? or even better cheapbikewithflats.com....
seriously who the heck wants to see honda civics on The Grand Tour????
Is this frame too much stiff like some recents carbon frame?
How did the bike feel to you? You've ridden a few bikes in you're time.
Did it feel fun? Or was it clinical.
What I mean was did you wamt to keep riding the Unno?
I heard some guy in Morzine picked one up for pretty cheap.
Oh no he di'int!
Style over substance?
Does it perform any better than an aluminium YT Jeffsy 29?
I guess it's 1 way to make your pee pee bigger? LoL
they are missing a shorter travel 27.5 in their line up....
Is this the budget model?
Get the f@ck outta here!
Asking for a friend...
Ibis ripmo
Yeti SB4.5/5.5
Specialized Stumpy S-Works
Travel length doesn't define the bike, but geometry does
also 65.5 HA sucks for flat turns. any slip angle and you're washing out the front.
Huh?
Also PB just posted a $3k trance review that can ride all the same trails.Your horse get into your weed stash?