Here's My Unno Dash Test Bike - Tell Me What You Want to Know

Jul 9, 2018 at 9:06
by Mike Levy  





An S-Works frame or carbon Yeti just a little too common for your liking? A US-made Alchemy not exotic enough? Have I got something for you... Made in Barcelona, Spain, the 130mm-travel, 29'' wheeled Unno Dash is about as extravagant as it gets this side of not having a motor. And Unno ain't exactly modest about what they've created, either: ''The Dash mixes geometry, wheel size and travel to generate the closest idea to mountain biking perfection we could think of.''

Damn thing better be good then, especially for the - get this - €5,000 that Unno wants for a frame and custom Öhlins STX 22 Air shock that you order straight off their website. That puts you up in some rarefied air, too, with Unno saying that they'll only build 50 Dash frames per year.
Unno Dash

Intended use: trail / all-mountain
Travel: 130mm
Wheel size: 29''
Frame construction: carbon fiber
Head angle: 65.5°
Chainstay length: 430mm
Reach: 455mm
Sizes: Medium only
Weight: 28lb 11oz (as pictured w/o pedals)
Price: €5,000 (frame, Öhlins STX 22 Air shock)
More info: www.unno.com

Don't want to have to think about assembling your own Dash? Unno has just decided to offer complete bikes, with the 'budget' model being the €6,350 Elite bike that comes with a Fox Float 34 Performance fork, e13 wheels, and a SRAM GX Eagle drivetrain. For €8,650, you can get the 'Factory' bike that's pretty close to what's pictured here.


Unno Dash review
Unno Dash review


Unno is far from being some unknown, low-volume start-up, although I wouldn't be surprised if the name is new to some riders. The main man behind Unno is Cesar Rojo, along with his design studio, Cero, although they focus mostly on contract work for other brands who would rather no one know that, along with development for KTM and Superbike teams. Rojo is also responsible for Mondraker's dual-link Zero Suspension layout and the long reach, short stem Forward Geometry concept that's now employed by countless companies.

So yeah, Unno has some chops. That doesn't mean this thing is an automatic winner, though, even if we can all agree that it's a stunner. There's nothing ground-breaking here technology-wise, and nothing that hasn't been done before when it comes to the Dash's rear suspension, which means that it's not relying on some sort of fresh engineering witchcraft to blow minds.

Instead, it just needs to perform really damn well using somewhat conventional means.


Unno Dash review

Unno Dash review
Unno Dash review


Unno's frames are manufactured in-house, but Rojo goes even deeper into its production than that, with them even owning their own carbon-cutting machine and manufacturing their own molds. That's right, Unno makes their own molds using their own CNC machines at their Barcelona HQ. Rojo even built their own destruction and CEN testing machines, too. That's as about in the house as in-house gets.

The last time I had a bike this interesting in my test stable, it was Zerode's gearbox-equipped Taniwha and I posted a 'Tell Me What You Want to Know' primer that garnered a load of great questions. So let's do this again: What do you want to know about the Unno Dash? Tell me in the comment section below.


395 Comments

  • + 226
 how many 30 packs of beer can you buy if you buy a commencal instead?
  • + 2
 Or a capra...
  • + 105
 5000 euros vs 1500 euros = €3500, roughly $4k USD, let's say a 30 pack is $24

>160 cases of beer
  • + 7
 @weirc: get this man a cooking (and a beer)
  • + 37
 I don’t think the kind of person who’s looking at buying an Unno is gonna be comparing it to a Commencal
  • + 50
 But a commencal, all that beer and a trip to whistler for a week
  • - 54
flag fecalmaster (Jul 18, 2018 at 9:11) (Below Threshold)
 Can you tell Uno to stick that 130mm pizza chit up their ass for me please.
  • + 3
 @21Sauvage: oh, sorry i wasnt realistic in my question of a $10,000 bike haha
  • + 13
 @21Sauvage: How about a Hope HB160?
  • + 7
 @weirc: A canadian case of beer is at least double that even for the cheap stuff. Your south of the border beer prices are a solid deal.
  • + 19
 @gbeaks33: ok the beer is cheaper, but than you have guns and no healthcare. Sorry I prefer Canada.
  • - 9
flag ybsurf (Jul 18, 2018 at 10:31) (Below Threshold)
 @gbeaks33: just in BC rest of Canada is cheap like everything else.
  • + 13
 @weirc: In Portugal a 30 pack is about 8€ so: You can get a bike and 11000 botles of turbo.
  • + 2
 @gbeaks33: 24 is an average, get some cheap stuff and its like 16$ for a 30
  • + 1
 @21Sauvage: or buying cheap beer
  • + 3
 @ybsurf: yeah true. Alberta and Quebec are dirt cheap. Ontario is still kinda expensive. But BC has it the worst with booze prices.
  • + 5
 @ibishreddin: I'll take the Unno!
  • + 1
 @weirc: Thats 4,800 cold canned sports drinks....
  • + 1
 @gbeaks33:

.....at least there's that.
  • + 14
 @fecalmaster: if you're such a fecal master, you should place it there yourself
  • + 0
 Does your jizz run off the carbon or stick to it.
  • - 4
flag fecalmaster (Jul 18, 2018 at 12:44) (Below Threshold)
 Unos
  • + 1
 @gbeaks33: they also don't have to pay the bottle return fee when purchasing because all their bottles go to the landfill instead of being reused....
  • - 2
 @dtax: No problem send one over.
  • - 2
 @AchilleNIN:You're right, there are no guns in Canada and no such thing as healthcare in the US... Or did you mean FREE healthcare? but wait, that's not right either, someone else is paying for those doctor visits. So maybe you meant "but then you have no one else paying for your healthcare."
  • - 24
flag fecalmaster (Jul 18, 2018 at 15:48) (Below Threshold)
 That's funny bro but anyone who has been all over Canada knows different. Basically they have the most guns per capita than any other country and extremely low crime rate. Think there might be a correlation there?
  • + 1
 @weirc: i have mad respect for people who do the math.
  • + 15
 @tcamp86: you do realise that when people say "free health care" nobody actually believes its "free" right? Everybody still pays for health care, except itstead of needing to go out and find private health care, it comes off your pay cheque as a part of tax. So you're still paying a "premium". It's just (I would hazzard a guess) significantly less money, for significantly more cover...
  • - 2
 @gbeaks33:

@gbeaks33:
But $1 Canadian equals(roughly) $.00000000000000001 U.S., so 'cheap' is a relative term
  • - 7
flag fecalmaster (Jul 19, 2018 at 0:54) (Below Threshold)
 Have you ever been to any part of Canada? I have been all over coast to coast. The firearms per capita is a fact look it up. The healthcare is ok I would say knowing tons of locals. If you travel to the US you'll find out that free health doesn't travel with you. Unfortunately have seen critical procedures put off due to this. Us being soo close geography and politically you would think it would be different, should be.
  • + 2
 @ThePhilthyHippie: don't you bring your logic and common sense to us 'mericans! We like paying more for less!
  • + 1
 Hey Mike, here is my question. How on earth could you put such janky ass egg beaters, on such a beautiful piece of art. Surely you could have put a new pair on for this special treat.
  • + 4
 @weirc: 160 cases of beer on the wall.. 160 cases of beeeeer..
  • + 5
 @fecalmaster: Sorry, correlation doesn't equal causation. Especially when you are looking at describing crime rates vs. firearms ownership. You may have visited Canada Coast to Coast, we have very different culture up here. We don't need to carry firearms day to day.
  • - 19
flag fecalmaster (Jul 19, 2018 at 7:19) (Below Threshold)
 @Drewnose: Honestly who cares about Canada. We have everything plus 800 times the sexy women. How's that beer taste Ehhy?!?!
  • + 9
 @fecalmaster: Haha, you even have a President that let down your entire nation. Yeah you have it all... you can keep it.
  • - 16
flag fecalmaster (Jul 19, 2018 at 9:24) (Below Threshold)
 @Drewnose: Like anyone gives a shit about politics. Your president looks like a tranny.
  • + 4
 Hilarious Canada Vs US thread here. Great stuff.
  • + 2
 @gbeaks33:

At least the weed's cheap.
  • - 3
 @beninslc: Def got a great deal in Toronto and Sun Coast BC. Honestly I get it cheaper here lol and its better quality but have cut way back on that lately. Its always who you know but they were real nice in BC considering they didn't know me from Joe .
  • + 3
 Wait...since when have 30 packs of beer been a thing? Is this a US thing? Costco?! Definitely can't be good beer right?
  • + 2
 @FLATLlNE: For years - all the mainstream brands do 30-packs - Bud Tecate Coors - all the regular hoser beer.

"Life is too long to drink good beer"
  • + 3
 @fecalmaster: The numbers are in your favor - there are more people living in California than all of Canada. You should have more sexy people. You also have more racist degenerates too.

Living in Toronto - I can tell you there are more beautiful people here than anywhere I've traveled. Has to do, I think, with the multiculturalism here. Toronto is so diverse - it's awesome. And I don't know anyone here who owns a gun.
  • + 2
 @endlessblockades: in the USA maybe. Canada...maybe not a thing?

But I'm not sure I want 30 Budweiser Razz
  • - 2
 @FLATLlNE: Your preaching to the choir my man, like I said been errrrrywhere do all that.
  • + 0
 @FLATLlNE: @FLATLlNE: I was recently surprised how bloody awful the beer scene is in Ontario. Basically one shop (LCBO) that looks like a Dollar store just got ransacked. Any decent shop in the US has like 10x the selection.
  • + 0
 @AchilleNIN: guns are awsome
  • + 164
 I would love to see you ride that thing reckless AF, spend a day or two just hucking it to flat at Whistler Bike Park, shuttle it up some back roads with it unsecured and jostling around next to lower calibre steeds, case some jumps, huck some stair cases in downtown Calgary as an homage to 2003 Pink Bike, loan it to Bender for a few days, if Jordie Lunn heals let him have a crack at it, use it off a lake jump or two with or without floats- treat that uptown girl like a downtown girl.
  • + 28
 YES PLEASE. Make this happen. Ride the wheels off this bike.
  • + 20
 Agreed, I went to see the crap thrashed out of it. Then tell us if it’s worth all that money. My guess is no.
  • + 18
 @j-t-g: then take it through a drive-thru car wash with it on the rack.
  • + 12
 ...and see if they warranty it.
  • + 1
 @nvranka:

He's OK, apparently. damn
  • + 1
 Haha I'd gladly do that... Just as long as it's 3m protected first!!
  • - 6
flag fecalmaster (Jul 19, 2018 at 2:21) (Below Threshold)
 This "genius" of frame design forgot one aspect. If you're really on some steep terrain that balls and knees crushing shock placement is absolutely terrible. Have couple dozen friends to testify to that.
  • + 1
 You are properly mad..... But really Mike. do what he says.
  • + 157
 Which do you enjoy more in your everyday working life; Fillings, Root Canal Work or Braces?
  • + 2
 Hahahahaha
  • - 5
flag jrocksdh (Jul 18, 2018 at 9:37) (Below Threshold)
 Kinda like orbea rallon(split pivot/4 bar)
  • + 24
 Hmmm ... yes. Big trip with the fellas next month. Think I’ll pick one up!
  • + 8
 For me it’s advising on mergers and acquisitions
  • + 5
 My orthodontist still rides several times a week on his 25 year old hardtail, I don't think the dentist stereotype applies to all tooth doctors.
  • + 12
 @vtracer: especially new grads with about $250k school debt.
  • + 9
 @vtracer: Nope it doesn't... Hell, some of us are just blue collar heavy duty diesel techs buying this stuff!
  • + 4
 @chubbydentist:

Damn, Chubby - I've been waiting for your first post since 2014! You certainly picked an appropriate thread.
  • + 5
 The moment was right, but that extendable bar looks sweet also.
  • + 2
 @jrocksdh: And that's why I went the trades route! Start making coin right away and graduate with no debt and still make 6 figures plus!
  • + 1
 @bohns1: yep, i work at refineries, power plants,(energy)...a great way to go.
  • + 1
 @jrocksdh: yes sir!
  • + 4
 @chubbydentist: Does your maserati have a bike rack?
  • + 11
 @ginger-wheels: Bike from home or leave it alone. I pay someone to ride my bike to the trailhead so I don’t scratch the Maserati.
  • + 1
 @chubbydentist: Maserati’s are for people too poor to afford a real Italian car like a Ferrari. Enjoy you Chrysler prole.
  • + 4
 @wibblywobbly: ha ha. I had to google prole. Look at you!
  • - 7
flag fecalmaster (Jul 19, 2018 at 0:59) (Below Threshold)
 Enjoy me jumping over your head on a $12,000 hunk of whateva, on a 24" steel hardtail hahaha try me out.
  • + 1
 @vtracer: right, dentist stereotypes does not apply to all tooth doctors. Annika Langvad even gets paid to ride a expensive bike.
  • + 75
 Why does unno, similar to specialized stock ohlins rear shocks like they are premium suspension? I know they’re moto background, but their mtb air shocks not only aren’t up to par with modern fox/rockshox/dvo stuff, but they aren’t serviceable when they blow up in half the time of any of the other major competitors.
  • + 76
 To match the gold of the Eagle
  • + 1
 so true...
  • - 1
 @Ride406orDie: could've gone Cane Creek Wink
  • + 7
 @Lookinforit: they blow up as quickly as that ohlins stuff...
  • + 3
 @theweaz according to Cesar, he finds the small bump compliance superior on the Ohlins.

Also allows a rezi shock + bottle cage.

I put a Fox on it because it's what I know + parts availability and ease of service (in Santa Cruz Wink )
  • + 7
 It's new and different, and its black and gold. That's marketing gold right there.
  • + 0
 @Nathan6209: Kashima with stealth logos also black and gold for cohesive looks
  • + 36
 It's not the shock's fault. It's the trash frame design from Specialized. The Enduro uses a fixed end-eye that attaches directly to the yoke, which almost doubles the effective shaft length. The yoke/shaft assembly then acts as a huge lever arm against the shock's seal heads whenever the rear end flexes. And since there is no brace between the shockstays, a bike ridden like the Enduro really flexes and really puts a lot of stress on the shock. Enduros will eat ANY shock installed on it. Cane Creek had the same problem when they were spec'd on Specialized a few years ago. The fact that an entire aftermarket company exists to fix this design, BikeYoke, should prove the point. The shock is good, the frame is bad.
  • + 7
 @Broth-Ratchurch: your explanation and looking at the linkage design makes so much sense. That totally killed cane creek's rep and now it seems from some of these comments that its gonna kill Ohlins' as well (if not already).
  • + 1
 @dontcoast: #humblebrag ???? ride soon?
  • + 1
 @bicyclelifestyle: indeed to both!
  • + 0
 @Broth-Ratchurch: ive seen them blow up in months on any bike not a fan of anything they make
  • + 1
 @Broth-Ratchurch:
I’m not sure of that evaluation. I’ve got an enduro and that o-lean sucked from day 1. I replaced it with a x2 coil and it’s been running perfectly for 16 months. Let’s not even get into the rxf 36 air and what a turd that is.
  • + 2
 the reason there is an after market yoke supplier is because only a spesh specific shock fits the existing yoke, bike yoke offers dubious diversity of being able to use whatever shock you choose . (Considering most suppliers offer a spesh option it seems unnescesarry unless you are trying to add a shock you already own)
  • + 2
 @Broth-Ratchurch: I am not sure if I should believe that this shock isn't good . I had the cc db air and it blowed off after 4 ride's, not even one jump to the flat. My cc headset was dead after a few months and also got lose with recommend 8nm. I don't trust CC, they look like Cane creak to me today.

Even if the shock is working you need to service it. Only a few can service it and it also will cost double what rs , DVO or fox would cost. Cc is also more expensive...
  • + 73
 I ride one. I love it, but it's not perfect. Things I'd note:

- Rides insanely well in all kinds of situations when you're pushing it. Expected the straightline, corner and steep capability, but it eats up uphill switchbacks too.

- Rewards being pushed, feels like it's saying "why are you riding me" when riding slow and toodly.

- Bottom bracket is stupid low esp. at sag. Get short cranks. Also, thick cranks such as Praxis Lyft+ do NOT fit (bigass chainstay)

- Seattube too long. Limited me in dropper selection.

- It's reaally freakin' stiff. Put aluminum or "compliant carbon" wheels on it unless you're a big guy who wants the stiffest setup.

- Frame guard on bottom too short. Got a scrape right above it. Downieville rocks and sloppy maneuvers (see low bb)

- Fox DPX2 nixes bottle (ok for cargo cage)

- Cesar and his team are very responsive.

- It's so pretty. Is it worth the price of admission? Only if you care about the backstory AND are going to ride the f*cking piss out of it.

I got lucky and love the story behind the frame. Rationally and financially speaking, I'd say you're better off getting a carbon smuggler though. Let's see how it does faced with moar rockssss.
  • + 14
 Solid input here
  • + 2
 But, how gnarly do you get on it?
  • + 28
 @skelldify: Santa Cruz, Downieville and Tahoe trails at mid-pack expert class speeds with a focus on steep, tech, chunky gnar, small to medium jumps and drops. aka "kinda gnarly", also know as "mountianbiking" Does that answer your question satisfactorily?
  • + 3
 How long have you been riding it? Also post some pics man
  • - 16
flag fecalmaster (Jul 19, 2018 at 2:22) (Below Threshold)
 I think the designers at Bold would blow this idiots mind up.
  • + 63
 You ever take it off any sweet jumps?
  • + 33
 The frame is very expensive at €5000 but for a full build bike with Enve wheels and Sram XX1 Eagle they're asking for €8650 while still incredibly expensive, this is around the price you'd be paying for a top spec Santa Cruz or Yeti without the expensive wheelset.
  • + 4
 This! I'm no marketing expert, but usually outlandischly fancy products should be outlandishly expensive and then they REALLY sell well: A pair of ZAI skiis cost 5000 Chf. The Unno should cost 30,000 Euro.
  • + 36
 Will it blend?
  • + 4
 Best way to waste an hour on YouTube by far
  • + 10
 @gotohe11carolina: had no idea what you were talking about, headed over to youtube, and here we are an hour later. wasn't disappointed.
  • + 34
 Have you made love to it yet?
  • + 73
 Twice.
  • + 6
 Let's just say he doesn't need to top up his stans sealant in the tires.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: I like how that post has 69 likes atm
  • + 2
 @bashhard: what’s even more impressive is that everyone stopped and respected the joke and left it untainted and hopefully it will stay that way for the rest of recorded time
  • + 30
 Does it terrify you to ride such an expensive bike?
  • + 1
 Well, that's what insurance is for isn't it? I'd be more concerned about breaking what's practically a work of art.
  • + 30
 How much would you actually pay for it if it was your own money?
  • + 2
 Is it better than a Jeffsy?
  • + 18
 @WasatchEnduro: Lets be real, probably.
  • + 3
 @WasatchEnduro: the only reason to get a jeffsy is the price and the fact it's pretty descent. It's not in it's own class of bikes but it still is a descent bike. Maybe if I could find a way to drop the bb I'd love mine a lot more
  • + 3
 @vtracer: offset bushings? angleset headset?
  • + 2
 @kyytaM: was just looking at getting some offset bushings, I'll wait and see if an angleset's necessary. But as far as a stock bike set up, especially considering the Jeffsy has a flip chip, why not provide the consumer the option to easily switch between medium and high instead high and extra high and if you want something outside that range then you have to resort to offset bushings.
  • + 0
 @mikelevy: here’s the comparison! Head to head (though maybe unfair).
  • + 2
 @chillrider199:

Yeah it had better be. But just sayin', once the review drops it would be cool to see a few thoughts against other nice, but standard, mid travel 29ers (instinct, stumpy, sight, Fuel EX, switchblade) as well as a $3500 carbon of the shelf value brand bike like the Jeffsy. And no, the target market isn't the same. Just curious what the extra 7 grand buys you.

@vtracer:
Jeffsy needs an update! Jeff29 for example needs to be specced with a longer travel fork and needs to be stretched out a lot (XL is too small for a 6ft rider wtf) and slackened at least a degree. Then i'd consider one!
  • + 24
 Their site says "exclusive patented dual link suspension" but this looks identical to a DW link bike. How is it different? How well does it work?
  • + 5
 Yeah those are two co-rotating links with a yoke for sure. But also, this wouldn't be the first time DWLink was ripped off.....(looking at you, Maestro).

Also, even if it is identical, it could just be patented in Spain rather than the US.
  • + 3
 I dont have the answer to this. But being apart of the patent process with a product of my own, its such a tricky and weird system. You could have something almost identical in design/looks but if it performs in a different way and signigant enough to deserve a patent, itll be patented.
  • + 1
 Looks like a Pivot Switchblade to me....
  • + 2
 If you only make 50 frames a year for $5k a pop, you can call whatever you want "exclusive"
  • + 6
 It doesn't say it's THEIR patent...
  • + 2
 @zsandstrom: the patents ended up coming down to pivot placement. Giant won the legal battle lol
  • + 6
 DWLink patent drawback is the over-emphasis on leverage ratios and antisquat curves. If it wasn't DWLink itself would infringe on previous 4bar patents. Vary up the curves in your own patent and its yours. The patent system is complete bollocks. I've been well down that rabbit hole...
  • + 1
 @Pisgah69Freeride420: I was thinking the same thing. Only difference I see is the suspension pivot at the seat tube is behind the tube on the Pivot, and in front of the tube on the Uno.
  • + 24
 can you put pegs on it for doing sick grindz?
  • + 4
 Comes with 4 pegs and a freecoaster
  • + 1
 @nyhc00: One, two, three, four, who's street? What's the score?
  • + 23
 Does it bike?
  • + 17
 IS the frame finish durable? Any general thoughts about maintenance? Easy to get new bearings when needed? Does the bearings last well? What is the actual weight of the frame compared to other carbon wonderbikes? Is the downtube protector sufficient? Is there ISCG mounts?
  • - 9
flag kevin267 (Jul 18, 2018 at 9:01) (Below Threshold)
 I don't think many owners of these will actually ride hard so all your questions don't matter, this is just a bike to show off
  • + 10
 - Very durable so far with some serious abuse. - Everything easy to access, no stupid tools required. Internal routing is a breeze. Rubber inserts annoying to get back in but aren't they all. - Enduro MAX bearings, easy to get, UNNO will also send some with frame on request. -how long they last TBD -Not that much lighter, most likely stronger -Downtube protector should be longer. -Yes, there are ISCG mounts. Be aware the low pivot protrudes a bit and may interfere with certain guides.
  • + 13
 So in the car industry you can have Ferrari's and Mclaren's and all of these high end exotic brands that cost 100x more than a Toyota Corrolla but no one ever says "how can you charge that much for a car!?!?!" But the second a bike brand wants to make something exotic and charge a lot for it everyone loses their sh!t.
  • + 9
 I agree, but I don't think there's an objective way to measure how much better this bike is than say a top-tier Santa Cruz CC factory build. Whereas, the objective performance of a Ferrari or Mclaren is superior to that of a Corolla.

I would liken this to a Pagani (although with Pagani you aren't quite as in-house since the engine's sourced from Mercedes-AMG). You are getting the absolute best in terms of material quality and construction, but the money is in the style, presentation and exclusivity. From a riding performance standpoint, you aren't getting anything objectively measurable over a less-boutique brand's top-tier bike.
  • + 3
 Because they are better cars for going fast. Does this bike make me any faster than a Jeffsy? I don't think so
  • + 0
 Double Post.
  • + 4
 @zamirz: I would compare it more to Koenigsegg. In house just about everything.
  • + 2
 @Levin192: does a bently make you faster than a corvette?
  • + 16
 How many times did you have to send the shock back to öhlins?
  • + 5
 Well its not a failed linkage design like Specis so not at all?
  • + 11
 If that thing in top spec is $9'900, what the actual f*ck is Specialized, Niner, Santa Cruz and co's excuse for selling bikes from China that cost that much?
.
On a less pedantic note, is the build quality and general 'feel' of the bike noticably different from one of those $10k Chinese Super Sleds? If this thing said Mondraker on the side would the difference be apparent to someone who doesn't know the bike's provenence?
  • + 3
 Isn't it because Unno is selling direct to consumer, and the other brands you mentioned sell through a retailer? Unno's consumer price is the other's wholesale... If Unno sold through retailers, that would be a $12,000 bike.
  • + 15
 Do you feel extra self-conscious riding this bike while blazed?
  • + 14
 Yes.
  • + 2
 @mikelevy: I find it easier to not be self conscious while riding it blazed.
  • + 11
 In 2 years when this standards of this bike become obsolete, WTF are you going to do with it.
  • + 47
 Keep riding it. I know guys riding 6 years old bikes now that would destroy most folks on the Pinkbike comment page. One doesn't stop driving a 3 year old Ferrari because a newer, faster model with different tech comes out. Same with a 3 year old VW. The bike just doesn't collapse because a new model comes out.
On another note, Fox 2019 forks include 26" options, Maxxis has 26" options new and ready. Hope and I9 for example offer hubs in for 135 q/r, 135 thru, 142, Boost, 157, etc. etc. Folks like MRP and a few others offer all sorts of adapters for old hubs to work on Boost frames and forks. I see bars and stems with 31.8 and 35 out there brand new as we speak. Why is everyone bitching so much? If you are buying a bike for resale value, you are doing it wrong.
  • + 4
 @bman33: Slight correction. People that buy new Ferraris do get rid of them after 3 years. Same thing with people that buy bikes like this. You sell it on and get the newest thing, not necessarily because it's actually better, but because you don't want to be seen in/on last gen stuff.
  • + 11
 @bman33:

wait, so you're saying there's no correlation between how much i spew on PB vs how fast i am on the bike? Whatever man.
  • + 2
 @WasatchEnduro: Haha...touche man! Big Grin
  • + 8
 I don't see much difference between bikes of the same travel in the market- they're all basically the same but with a few different suspension layouts and geometry. Unnos undoubtedly look incredible (and I'm a huge fan!), but is there anything performance-wise that really differentiates this? If I were spending this sort of money, I'd want it to be a game-changer
  • + 18
 comes with a catalonian house wife that will cook all of your meals and service all other needs, bike and otherwise.
  • + 2
 Just read the description.... apparently not! I still want one...
  • + 4
 Well, saying that the "only" things different between bikes is the suspension platform and the geometry is like saying that the only thing different between cars is the engine and the chassis. They're the soul of what the bike is. I agree that a lot of bikes are starting to look and feel the same on paper, but get out and ride 130mm bikes from 5 different manufacturers--hell, use the exact same build kit on them--and tell me that they are the same then.
  • + 2
 @zsandstrom: as has been pointed out elsewhere, the complete build with ENVE is 8,000 euros, comparable to a top build santa cruz or mondraker
  • + 7
 I get why people have a reaction to the very high price (or enjoy having a little fun that i actually laugh at). That being said, to the people who are seriously criticizing this, remember that many of the advances we enjoy as standard now started out like this bike; really expensive and maybe even ridiculous to many. It's pushing the limits and trying new things. So many people here sound like major DINKS. We are supposed to be cool people my friends. I say of course I won't be buying one but kudos to the makers and it's cool/fun to read about. Spread the love, don't be a hater.
  • + 8
 - Heat uptake of rear brake solution?
- Riding difference to comparable other frames?
- Are you even able to properly throw the bike around the trail when the frame alone costs more than [insert whatever here]?
  • + 24
 To your third point: would you take an expensive escort to a nice dinner then send them home?
  • - 2
 @juicebanger: 'send them home' how many escorts do you need!? No you wouldn't, but if you paid over the odds for a thai bride you would ride her gently.
  • + 3
 @StraightLineJoe: no the term you are looking for is "go to town on" lol
  • + 12
 @StraightLineJoe: singular "escort" implied one, and "them" was used as a gender neutral pronoun rather than suggesting a quantity, so one.

To drift back to bikes though, the more I would pay for a bike the harder I would expect to be able to ride it. If you aren't paying for better quality and performance, what are you paying for?
  • + 1
 @juicebanger:
Nope you take her for salad so she’s not sluggish and full when you take back and (blank) the bee-Jesus out of her
  • + 4
 @juicebanger: Dude forget an escort. This bike costs more than I paid for my wife. (Kidding, keyboard warriors, take it easy)
  • + 6
 How do you explain to all the bitter people who have not worked hard enough or lived up to their own expectations that there are people out there who have put in the time and like to own beautiful, rare bespoke kit and that 5K is likely about what you will spend to service a high end sports car.
(not that I'm in this tax bracket)
  • + 10
 How much more laid have you gotten since getting the bike?
  • + 7
 Yes. (unrelated)
  • + 1
 How much trail sode head the bike has gotten you
  • + 2
 @fercho25: It's the rider (and the other rider) not the bike that matters for this kind of situation.

The other kind of frame stiffness and headtube size.

Getting plenty thank you very much Smile
  • + 5
 @mikelevy please keep posting up reviews on rare exotic and expensive bikes as I really enjoy reading all the PB comments. God I get sick of all the moaning on here about shit being too expensive. If you don’t like it there a plenty of other options for you.
@dontcoast good on you for buying the bike you wanted and worked hard for. Enjoy.
  • + 7
 Thanks @Stumpy2 ... too much focus on price and less on details or story.

Boutique bikes push the envelope (this geo was published a couple years ago...what are big brands making now...), look awesome, and involve interesting and inspiring stories.

At the end of the day, they're also just bikes.

I have the same respect for any rider, on any bike, based on their level of stoke, sharing trail and not wreck the fun for others. 10x bonus for trail work. (shoutout to the super happy kid doing multiple laps on a huffy)

Back to Unno - someone name another carbon bike made (not just designed) by people who are all super stoked on bikes and/or carbon engineering, living a decent life in a wonderful place. Does the bike ride that much better? Maybe just a little tiny bit. Do I trust the carbon more, and the ability to get a hold of the people who actually made the thing and all the aluminum bits too? Absolutely. Would I rather give them my money? Absolutely. Is there anything wrong with riding a mass production bike? Of course not.

We're all really lucky to get to just buy nice toys and play in the woods. I'm really lucky and I hustle hard.
This was the first bike that really checked off my wishlist. Carbon Smuggler and a few others launched shortly thereafter that come close. This bike just makes me extra stoked.

Very curious to see what your thoughts are on this one @mikelevy , keep bringing both boutique and entry/direct midrange bikes to the review table. More "shootouts" between similar category/pricepoint products, too please.
  • + 1
 @dontcoast: antidote carbon jack is another.. that I actually like more.
  • + 1
 @MrZ32: Carbonjack does look fantastic, more comparable to the Unno Burn though (wheelsize, travel)

assuming listed weight is without shocks it's also significantly heavier
Dash just fit my riding style/trails/preferences more
  • + 5
 At first I was skeptical on this review, then I proceeded to their website. Their Aora Hardtail due in september looks incredibly similar to the new FSI.

What is important to me is their warranty and durability of their frames. I've had a lot of problems with carbon cracking. Is the woven product any better? Do they have distribution in canada?
  • + 9
 it just occured to me that the shock looks like it has a ballsack
  • + 7
 Does it work in loam? Only reason I am asking, is because I just like saying the word "loam".
  • + 6
 Other than the in house manufacturing.... why is this so expensive? If the carbon layup more sophisticated than simple unidirectional sheets?
  • + 2
 A titanium bike made by Potts or Eriksen is a big selling point probably rides the same as a chinese made one but the fact they made it makes it desirable, the Cesar Rojo name behind this probably has the same effect.
  • + 19
 Cesar has got a lot of interviews floating around taking about this. The carbon he’s using is significantly more expensive than anything available in Taiwan. You’re also paying for highly skilled labor in a country with higher wages than Taiwan. Everything down to the clear coat paint he uses is nicer than any other brand at the moment.
Cesar could have easily taken his designs to Taiwan and used cheaper materials to make a similar looking bike, but it wouldn’t have ever been up to his standards or what he wants his brand to be.
He’s selling completes now that compete against many other brands top tier pricing, he’s just not selling himself short on his product, something no master artisan should be forced to do...
  • + 6
 @fercho25: you cannot compare a Potts or Erikson to a Chinese Ti bike. Steve pretty much wrote the book on how to weld Ti frames...not to mention the huge difference in material quality and durability. Let alone the skill Steve and Kent have with a tig torch...again no artisan should ever sell themself short.
If someone wants to buy a cheaper bike over theirs no one will give the slightest of f*cks, but to try and compare them to the cheaper option just because of “names” is hugely disrespectful to the skill these guys have and how long it’s taken to develope their craft...
  • + 4
 @mountainyj: I agree with you they are really skilled but when buying a bike from those guys you are buying a bunch of intangibles that dont really translate into ride quality id pay premium for a dropout made by Eriksen just because it looks nice but that doesnt mean it rides better.
  • + 4
 May not apply to this case but this Starling bike owner says the following in a q&a:

Q: So, let’s say you made a mountain bike frame the same way you would have to for the aerospace industry with high-end lay-up, what would you think would be a realistic figure per frame when it comes to cost?

A: You wouldn’t get much change from € 50,000 really, it would be huge amounts of money

enduro-mtb.com/en/starling-murmur-29-beauty-custom-geometry-starling-cycles
  • + 5
 @AlexS1: that is absolute bullshit. Aerospace uses much bigger elements which present different challenges than a bicycle frame. Unno is a part of Cero who work with F1, moto GP and McLaren. One of thei engineers worked for Koenigsegg. They use monocoque construction by wrapping material on EPS, they use high end software to design and calculate the kind, direction and amount of fibers. They have access to custom prepregs, finally they do sht loads of testing. They do everything in house in small numbers.
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: Well, it brings to prespective what carbon manufacturing means and costs to different people, beyond the usual western cleanroom vs eastern paper mask wearing disposable humans arguments.
  • + 4
 @AlexS1: @WAKIdesigns I think you guys have blown this out of proportion a bit. While both Cero and Joe at Starling have lots of carbon experience under their belts, they are for completely different purposes. Joe simply stated that a bike would cost roughly 50 thousand if you constructed it to aerospace standards. He also mentioned that while he wasn't fond of the cut-away Taiwan bike, it would probably suit its intended purpose just fine for the task at hand. I don't think Joe is actually advocated that we need to construct carbon bikes to aerospace standards (for obvious reasons). Just like Unno's bikes are not even close to aerospace standards, but I think Cero could back up the fact that they have used their previously gathered knowledge to build a better carbon bike than your standard Taiwanese built bike.
  • + 1
 @fercho25: you’d be paying premium because it’s made from higher quality materials and is made to a tighter level of tolerance. Either of their frames will weigh less, ride smoother, and last longer (not crack) than any Chinese knockoff ever will....better welding and material is not intangiable. Burning two metals together doesn’t mean shit if you use crappy materials and don’t control your weld precisely. Cheap Ti frames are cooked together which makes the material brittle, then they just brush the color off the weld later. The main joints aren’t fused together before being welded with filler like they should be, this takes longer to do as it’s an additional step.
You’re paying less for something mass produced with much less care for many important details.
  • + 1
 @BEEner: Agree but its always interesting to hear from all these stakeholders.
  • + 1
 @fercho25: I only have experience riding 2 Ti hardtails to compare - a 2002 chinese Airborne, and a similar era Indy Fab Ti Deluxe... nor was it double blind, so no statistically significant data here. But fwiw the Indy Fab just seemed to float along the trail, and I finished rides feeling like I'd used 1/2 the normal energy.

Bias alert- I like to think Indy Fab has something very good going on with the shot-peening to relieve weld stress. But I'm just a bike addict... not a metallurgist.
  • + 3
 @AlexS1: it's mostly quality control and verification. ie lots of checking by humans at every stage. Expensive humans, could be 80% of the cost.
  • + 2
 @AlexS1: Yes for sure. I guess I was more responding to the fact that Waki was pretty heavy handed with his response haha
  • + 6
 @WAKIdesigns: I suppose I'd better qualify what makes aerospace so expensive here. It's not necessarily the materials or manufacturing quality. Its the certainty of safety. You must be able to demonstrate that there's no defects or design detail that could potentially lead to failure at some point down the line. This doesn't apply to F1 or motorsport where there's some level of acceptable risk. This is what costs money, and to be honest £50k is probably optimistic.
  • + 1
 @phutphutend: I'm assuming you're Joe? Thanks for the clarification!
  • - 3
 @phutphutend: you should know what this aerospace shit chat is about. It is about whiny wendys and miserable experts who sit on their couch and say: bike industry is nowhere close to aerospace standards. They thrmselves haven’t done a single thing in their lives that is close to T-34 standards. They live unmatchable expectations. Same kind of moron is able to say that reliability of electronics in bikes is nowhere close Nasa, or quality of machining of bikencomponents is nowhere close dentist equipment. The reality as you obviously know is, bikes these days are bloody awesome, they fricking are, there is no need to keep fricking bicycles to divine standards.
  • + 4
 @phutphutend: quality classification is a huge cost. Measuring devices are crazy. Check out a large Starrett ruler, you can easily drop $1k+ on a ruler...because you know it is guaranteed to be precise. Most people are fine with the $50 version for any project that isn’t going to space. Some of use want the $200 version because it’s straighter and more accurate, held to a higher standard of quality. This is where Unno lives.
Cesar is building bikes in the middle ground here. He’s well above what’s “acceptable” in the bike industry, but not certifying it for aerospace use, because it’s a bike, for Earth not Mars... $5k for a very well made frame is pretty damn reasonable in my opinion.

I don’t understand why so many people get mad about him charging $5k for a frame. Go buy a yt or Commencal, his feelings won’t be hurt. But if the market exists to sell bikes at his level, then why hate him for doing so? I don’t see everybody hating on Rollex or Ferrari’s at the same time. At the end of the day, it’s still just a product that people have free choice to buy or not to buy, based on what they feel is their own acceptable budget.
  • - 2
 @mountainyj: the whole comparison is like listening to some of interns at my previous architectural office: “My friend worked at X fancy office (read: got totally fkd in the arse, worked 3 days in a row without sleeping every single week without being paid a penny) and they didn’t do a single project without making at least 3 physical models, I don’t see a single model on hand drawing here, architecture in Sweden obviously sucks”. Oh I worked with aerospace, bikes are nowhere close, oooh listen pal, clients in this industry don’t like Öhlins because it’s hard to color match their yellow, try selling a hardtail without bottle mount. People think that longer reach is betters. Or that a carbon trail bike over 8000$ should weigh under 30lbs. Sorry. It’s like talking to a wall.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Eh! Not sure whether you are having a dig at me or agreeing with me!

You can spend as much as you want building a bike, but really it only needs to be fit for purpose. I wanna get back to Klunkers, just as much fun with limited tech. Might hang onto disc brakes though!
  • + 1
 @phutphutend: I thought that trying to keep bicycles up to aerospace safety standards is setting the bar higher than it needs to be, considering how few bicycles fail catastrophically these days. Then aerospace just like bicycles has it's specifics. Having said that, majority of applications of carbon fiber in bicycles are also setting the bar higher than it needs to be. More often than not, carbon fibre seems to me like Emperors new cloth impregnated with snake oil.
  • + 7
 $13K and it has a reverb with a plunger top mounted? Come on that is just crazy.
  • + 3
 This build isn't the stock parts kit.
  • + 4
 Left side plunger reverb remote mounted on the left side....a travesty on any bike let alone one built from a €5000 frame ????
  • + 3
 How about compare this against other boutique limited run bikes - I'm thinking Hope here particularly.

Nothing on this bike screams "worth it' to me. What is "worth it!" to you on this bike?
  • + 3
 Does it feel like your riding the value of the bike? or are you likely to have just as much if not more fun on a "cheaper" yeti, Santa Cruz or example, I'm assuming its baller' for the sake of being baller'
  • + 3
 For a similar build, they are priced competitively with Santa Cruz
  • + 2
 I think a Yeti or Santa is not cheaper with similar specs. In Germany they are asking for 10'990.- € for a SB6 Team Replica and i guess a SC with XX1 and carbon wheels isn't much below.
  • + 2
 Would you rather have this or a Pole Machine? Or a Paul Aston spec Nicolai?

Trying to figure out which makes me cooler and which I would rather talk about: how the carbon construction on the Unno is better than your carbon or how crazy geometry and aluminum is actually better than your carbon.

Will this bike fit on the Kuat rack I have on the back of my Model X?

Do Cane Creek eeWings fit?

Did you know the guy who trims my hedges rides a Santa Cruz? Pretty cool!
  • + 4
 Hey guys check out my $12k bike!!! Proceeds to get spanked by an 11 year old on a huffy down A-line...
  • + 3
 Kid on Huffy dreams of one day being able to buy an Unno. Dude on Unno doesn’t give a f@ck about kid on Huffy. The one thing in common is both are happy to be riding a bike and having a great time.
  • + 1
 I love reading the arguments about worldly problems. I live in California so if I wanted to argue about something that's out of my control I just have to walk 20 feet. I have mountain bikes so I can escape that nonsense. As for my 2 cents, it looks like a great bike for people who have a lot of money and they want something different. Anyone else looking for a trail bike I think money would be better spent on a 429 trail or sb4.5
  • + 1
 - How Stiff is it in combination with thouse carbon wheels? Is it too stiff?
- Why Öhlins I would prefere something more "mainstream" in terms of "serviceable"
- will it be a goud trail bike for almountain "overnighters" stuff or is it an enduro with less travel.
- is it silent ?
- disasemble the bottom bracket and put it back together willl it squeeck ?
- is the Seattube to high for small riders which like to ride Medium?
...
- what would be the prize you would pay 2500, 3000, 3500, 4000 .....

...
  • + 1
 what a surprise, first comment: ist not cheap whaaaaaa...

can we change the name of this website to cheapbike.com please? or even better cheapbikewithflats.com....
seriously who the heck wants to see honda civics on The Grand Tour????
  • + 1
 easy question, whats the ride like? does it compare in feel to any "production" bike? when you ride it, does it remind you of another bike?

checking the unno website. how come their own bar/stem combo isnt specced on the full build?
  • + 1
 You must really have some money to lose when you buy such a jewel. Also, would you dare to ride such a fragile expensive toy in Spannish rocky terrains for instance? I wouldn`t. This thing is not for mountain biking, unless the mountains you ride are made of foam, rubber stones and inflatable trees Smile
  • + 5
 Will it make me better than my friends?
  • + 4
 Will it make me better at making friends?
  • + 1
 UNNO has convinced many out other that this is a superbike, before even trying one out. No, even if I could spend such an amount, I am not falling. Yes, it looks sexy and all but this is getting a bit ridiculous. Same building featuring here on a Yeti, yes. With the remaining 3-4K I can think of many things to spend on. Marketing works effectively nowadays.
  • + 1
 The thing, why would I buy this bike?
Because the frame is not made in Taiwan or China.
All other brands like Commencal, YT, Specialized, Trek, Canyon,... made their bikes (frames) in Aisa.
And then you wonder, why YT industris have successed so quickly...
  • + 1
 I think the price discussion is a bit too present here. When I get a small series hand built frame made in Europe at somewhere in the price range of a yeti turq or santa cruz cc or s-works frame made in asia (with way lower wages). And to be honest, if you are be willing to pay about 4000€ for a premium frame of the competitors (which is still kinda mass produced) then paying that extra 1000 is not making a big difference any more. Complete bikes are basically the same price than the competitors.


- How will warranties be handled? Is there anything like a crash replacement?
  • + 2
 "Tell me what you want to know". Shouldn't it read " Ask me what you want to know"? So Mike, if you were to build a dream bike what frame would you start with. The Unno looks killer.
  • + 1
 At that price does it make breakfast for you in the morning?

Or more appropriately, how do you feel abput that frame when you're doing something wildly silly on that Unno when you're so typically underbiked on a Squamish death chute?
  • + 9
 I have a good advice to any owner of such bike. Kick it a few times before use, scratch it with undersole with a cleat in. Ride in mud aand don’t wash it for a few weeks. This will allow you to take more enjoyment out of every ride. But if you start taping it with some thick transparent vinyls... reconsider why you are in this sport. I never cared about looks of my Antidote, it is a fkng bike to be used like any other
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: "it's a tool, not a trophy"
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: mine already has some scratches and chips lol
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: don't buy new bikes
  • + 1
 Not sure why so much discussion on high price, at 8600 euros for complete bike with XX1, Enve wheels and Fox factory fork, this is on par IN EUROPE with any other "big" brands.
I asked price of an Ibis Ripmo in France with Fox factory suspensions, X01 eagle... 8500 euros! If I go for XX1 + Enve wheels it would easily be above 10000 euros and same Specialized, Trek, Santa Cruz.
Yes, Unno frame only option is very expensive but complete bike is not.
And for the size, 455 reach is more than a Large SB 5.5 for example.
  • + 1
 Its nice, but I'll stick with my antidote CJ for the time being Wink

and to be fair, I think my next bike would be a commencal (the 180mm travel high pivot one with the idler).. now that Im not racing, with zero sponsorship and riding only for fun, something a bit cheaper and heavier isnt really an issue.
  • + 1
 A high end enduro bike test would be pretty interesting. For instance compare and contrast 3 bikes of a similar pricepoint and intended use. Take the Unno Dash, the Antidote carbonjack, and Alchemy for instance. All high end, boutique enduro bikes. That would be a good article.
  • + 2
 When I'm riding this bike will others know how much I spent on it, or is the brand to obscure? It's not worth it if people don't know.
  • + 1
 Is this bike easy to handle? Or like much bikes at this time needs to be driven so much on the front pushing a lot on the handlebars?
Is this frame too much stiff like some recents carbon frame?
  • + 1
 Oh my Drool please put this through it’s paces to see just how well it holds up. 5K is an insane amount just for a frame, so it better be the best damn thing you’ve ever ridden !!!!
  • + 1
 @Mike Levy - many comments, too many for me to read.
How did the bike feel to you? You've ridden a few bikes in you're time.
Did it feel fun? Or was it clinical.
What I mean was did you wamt to keep riding the Unno?
  • + 4
 Does it climb like a goat and descend like a DH bike?
  • + 1
 50 frames a year is super production, and like anything hand made, mistakes can happen. What degree of QC do the frames undergo? A full ultrasound, something else, or just a simple visual inspection?
  • + 2
 ....is this the same company as the UNO card game ? Because if it is, why does it not come with some UNO cards of your color choice to jam in the spokes?
  • + 3
 What would you rather have? This sweet bike or a box of delicious donuts delivered to your home every morning?
  • + 2
 Both.
  • + 3
 Does it ride equally as well on the ups and the downs or do you feel it favours one side more?
  • + 1
 rides up well but it ain't XC, think Smuggler category definitely built to prioritize down.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy you guys going to get hold of a Pole Machine to test?
  • + 0
 I hope you guys charged them as premium as they want to charge us Wink Honestly, this thing does not interest me, very pricey, nothing innovative, 100% out of range for like 99.9% readers?
  • + 2
 If it climbs like a goat and descends like it has more travel than it does Smile
  • + 1
 How come this thing looks so great with all the straight tubes, while almost all other brands have to go with fugly bendy tubes to make their bikes work?
  • + 1
 Exactly how many and what capacity water bottles will it fit? I'm thinking about picking one up but if it won't fit my existing water bottles that is a deal-breaker...
  • + 2
 Do UNNO if they are will sponsor a privateer, whos only goal is to go half as fast as this years privateer?
  • + 3
 How many times can you hit it with a sledgehammer before it breaks?
  • + 1
 I'd like to hear which bikes produced between 2014-2018 it feels most similar to, and a top-line comparison of components and cost to see what you think. Thanks Mike!
  • + 2
 This a bike for riders who only snort the finest cocaine off of the most expensive of hookers.
  • + 0
 I'm yet to see black rappers mountain biking
  • + 1
 What is the reaction to it while out riding? and to people who don't mountain bike? Is this the best ever 29er trail bike you have ever ridden?
  • + 2
 Expensive?
I heard some guy in Morzine picked one up for pretty cheap.

Oh no he di'int!
  • + 1
 Too soon.
  • + 2
 I'm curious as to why they went all out on spec but decided for a Pike as the fork....
  • + 2
 How much for a frame that's been through the destructive testing? I'm digging around in the couch for spare change.
  • + 1
 I think the only question that matters is if the Unno drops more panties than a Mini Cooper with a straight pipe. I doubt it's possible, but that is a hot looking bike.
  • + 2
 Gorgeous. I would have bought one if it had some rear centre adjustment. 430mm is too short for me.
  • + 1
 Cannondale is still more expensive. Not that I care. I think most people who buy this class of bikes are fools.

I guess it's 1 way to make your pee pee bigger? LoL
  • + 1
 How does it compare to the Hope bike? Which is another boutique in-house built bike.
Style over substance?
Does it perform any better than an aluminium YT Jeffsy 29?
  • + 1
 Beautiful but does it really ride any better than a bike a 3rd of its price? Plus I’d be terrified to damage it, need something you aren’t afraid to buck!
  • + 2
 how many starving kids in africa can you feed for the price of this complete bike?
  • + 4
 "pinkers"?
  • + 2
 Why the 85mm Headtube. Gonna look stupid with a tonne of spacers under the stem.
  • + 2
 Looks like the dropper is super far out of the frame... how much travel does it have?
  • + 0
 How does it compare to similar high end models from other brands that are produced in Asia?

Ibis ripmo
Yeti SB4.5/5.5
Specialized Stumpy S-Works
  • + 2
 Can you hit any sweet jumps on it?
  • + 2
 Does it help picking up chicks?

Asking for a friend...
  • + 4
 Nothing can help me on that front Frown
  • + 1
 I want to know why is it so clean and shiny?!?! Get thet motha in some dirt!
  • + 1
 What bike is it most similar to and why, if indeed it is, is the Dash better, assuming money is no object?
  • + 1
 The first scratch on that is going to make someone cry like a baby - I suggest ALL THE INVISIFRAME!!!!
  • + 2
 How does it rank on the Doug score?
  • + 1
 Daddy Dougie
  • + 2
 Underrated comment!
  • + 2
 Would Cesar place top 20 in a WC race? Also how big will the XL be?
  • + 1
 How much faster is it than a 2.5k YT jeffsy in the hands of a pro rider down the same trail?
  • + 1
 Slower by far
  • + 2
 Does it fascinates ladies?
  • + 1
 What's with all the hype about this ridiculously expensive bike? Isn't it just an overpriced mondraker?
  • + 2
 Nothing to see here. How ridiculous.
  • + 1
 The build isn`t actually that expensive. It is 8650 €, but instead of the Pike you get a 34.
  • + 1
 Whats up with what appears to be bondo (grey stuff) at the front shock mount and just above the BB?
  • + 1
 Nevermind....light playing tricks on my old eyes Frown Just the reflection off the shiny finish I guess.
  • + 1
 How come is not running the superior formula fork?
Is this the budget model?
  • + 2
 Does it look like a Session?
  • + 2
 When I win the lottery I'm going to buy one to hang on my wall.
  • + 1
 QUESTION: How long does it take to stare at that piece of art before you actually ride it?
  • + 1
 Haters always gonna hate. Endodontists wipe their ass with your YTs and Commencals, and that's if they even give a shit
  • + 0
 Yea meke me feel bad because I'm tall, what an idiotic approach to promote a bike, only for average, whatever that means

Get the f@ck outta here!
  • + 1
 It's a limited production bike, not something available in 4 sizes. Do you tell Ferrari their cars suck too because you don't fit in one?
  • + 0
 @Beez177: Not really a sensible comparison. No auto manufacturer makes different sized versions of the same vehicle (from Kia to Bugatti), however all bike manufacturers (generally) make various sizes.
  • + 2
 If a bicycle's sizing lowers your self esteem you should speak to a professional.
  • - 2
 Basically looks like my Kona process? I bet it rides better but my bike cost way less and basically looks the like the Process. I have a Cane Creek DB air and Pike so whats the advantage? CF frame? Ohlins rear? Tell me what is the damn difference? Oh yeahhhh a Dentist salary, now I get it. WTF!!! if you are into this why not just buy a Lambo and call it! Keep it real. Don't care about bling anymore! We live in a world where performance will eventually trickle down to the user with a real world income and mtb is for us hooligans on a budget. No one with this kind of budget will ever dig trail and or donate time and money to local groups for sustainable trails. What difference does it make to build a race car with no track to race on. Come on who really gives a crap about a bike like this except "Tony F'n Stark". Been a long day at work today earning a real salary, taking care of family and kids. I just want a bike that works and shreds with out the cost of F1. Its just someone showing off what can be done with with money and time that could be used to elevate a sport that is meant for the working man, not someone with a deep endless funds and no talent. I bet it breaks like any other bike when rode hard or to limits. Probably does not take a pro to find that out. I bet I could out ride it with my 05 Stinky stock 26" wheels. I will shed past you on my Process and have enough $$$ left over to buy you beers for a year after you get to the truck eventually. Just keepn it real! Pisgah would break that bike in half LOLSmile
  • + 1
 Does it have something different to another bikes to convince someone to buy it? Besides the Barcelona thing, off course.
  • + 1
 can it take 27.5 wheels? or 25+ ?
they are missing a shorter travel 27.5 in their line up....
  • + 2
 That thing's a lot heavier than it should be.
  • + 1
 That's with DH casing tires, to be fair. Low 27s/high 26s with medium casing rubber.
  • + 0
 @mikelevy: still heavy
  • + 2
 Will it resist to a car impact?
  • + 2
 When will an alloy version be releasesd?
  • + 1
 oh yeah and needs needs a sticker like Power Bar or something. Maybe Lebron will order one for a transit bike to practice.
  • + 2
 I would rather have an SB100.
  • + 2
 makes yetis and santa cruz's look kinda ordinary, so, there's that.
  • + 1
 Looks, Price, and Brand aside, is it the best handling bike you ever rode, if so why?? How is fit/sizing working for you?
  • + 2
 If it rides better with minions vs magic marys
  • + 1
 Which is faster, this bike or a Pivot Switchblade and a Giant Trance? Whatever testing methodology seems reasonable to you.
  • + 0
 Stupid money, won't make you a better rider. There's an' old saying..'A fool and his/ her money are easily parted', and me and me mates have a saying..'Leave it wi' ya'.
  • + 1
 Can I have it once you are done Mike?
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 Can I have it once you are done Mike?
  • + 1
 Does it come in Pink? The raw carbon finish is sooooo common now
  • + 1
 Can you bury a 170mm dropper in there?
  • + 1
 Why is the bike so nice then they put a rockshox fork on it ?
  • + 1
 Made in Catalonia ,Barcelona. ||*||
  • + 1
 Did you huck it to flat ?
  • + 1
 Does it climb like an e bike?
  • + 1
 whats the leverage ratio?
  • + 1
 So sexy, like a redhead guy
  • + 1
 Does it win races by itself? Or do you think still needs a rider?
  • + 1
 That is a thing of beauty....
  • + 1
 Max. 160mm disc in the back for 29? Is it possible to go bigger?
  • + 1
 Probably the most important question is, is it fun to ride?
  • + 2
 Q: Are we not men?
  • + 1
 Why can I only get a medium?
  • + 1
 Commencal Commencal Commencal Commencal
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 It is surely a looker. But not my bag.
  • + 1
 Mike, how does it ride? 2, 4x better than a bike, half, 1/4 the cost?
  • + 1
 My only question is what the hell is with the dropper?
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 I know... it arrived with a 100mm Reverb, but there's a 170mm OneUp on the bike now.
  • + 1
 Why only medium frames? I would love one but I need a large to extra large
  • + 1
 Does it feel like a Renault F1 bike?
  • + 1
 Why is there so much hype about this bike?
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 why the 10mm dropper ?
  • + 1
 It's not the stock build, but I've replaced it with a 170mm OneUp dropper.
  • + 1
 Does it only come in one size?
  • + 1
 When will there be a review of the burn enduro version?
  • + 1
 If TRUMP rode a MTB...is this what he would ride?
  • + 2
 Not gold enough. And not huge, either.
  • + 4
 The tires aren’t fat enough for trump. He likes the big balloons if you know what I mean.
  • + 2
 not made in the USA .. lul
  • + 8
 trump would ride a full sus E-fatbike, towing a coal burning generator in a bike trailer
  • + 1
 how does it ride with a 26inch rear and 29inch front wheelset?
  • + 1
 Antidote carbonjack looks better
  • + 1
 whoa! pivot is releasing a new 29 tr..... wait a minute....
  • + 1
 When is the review coming?
  • + 1
 Can it replace your girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband?
  • + 1
 Will it make me breakfast the morning after?
  • + 1
 Would you spend your own $$$ on it?
  • + 1
 Great video recap - I appreciate that.
  • + 1
 Can I get tailor made one??
  • + 1
 ...and it's only available in a medium.
  • + 1
 whats up with that dropper post?
  • + 1
 How does it compare to Enduro, Foxy Carbon 29, weight? Lively or Plow?
  • + 2
 Are you faster on it?
  • + 1
 How often does it kick into Reverse?
  • + 1
 Can you ride it in whistler bike park
  • + 1
 I'd probably go Robot Bike Co for that amount of cash.
  • + 1
 why only 130mm at 65.5? mismatch imo.
  • + 8
 I would have agreed 5+ years ago, but travel and geometry aren't tied together like they used to be. Nowadays, there are plenty of riders who enjoy how a short-travel bike performs, but they want/need the angles that let them have fun. So something like this is kinda made for the same thing as a lot of 150mm-travel bikes.

Travel length doesn't define the bike, but geometry does Smile
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: geo lets you go faster. shorter travel holds you back.....

also 65.5 HA sucks for flat turns. any slip angle and you're washing out the front.
  • + 1
 I stick with foes racing made in the good old USA ????????
  • + 1
 29+ compatible?
  • + 1
 More seriously, can it fit a proper 29x2.6 tire like the Ikon, Rekon, or Saber or Mezcal?
  • + 1
 No. 3:37 in vid. How many Trail 429s will this bike sell....
  • + 1
 @PHeller: 2.5 listed. Send me a tire and I'll test it Wink
  • + 0
 Would you get jealous if your dentist told you he ordered one?
  • + 1
 If my dentist told me he ordered one I would piss in his fluoride for being lame and ripping me off.
  • + 4
 No, I would be happy that my dentist is purchasing what ever he pleases with the money he has earned in voluntary transactions with his patients.
  • + 1
 i dUNNO
  • + 1
 so sexy
  • + 1
 Medium only?
  • + 1
 It's a large-ish medium. Yes one size only.
  • + 1
 I dUNNO what to say
  • + 1
 Can I borrow it?
  • + 1
 Probably
  • + 1
 What's so good about it?
  • + 0
 Are you compensating for something?
  • + 6
 Totally.
  • + 1
 It does look damn sexay
  • + 1
 Looks flexy.
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 Thank god this video and information was posted, and not a post about a reasonably priced model review that might encourage others to join the sport/stay in it.
  • + 8
 "Ferrari reviews are stupid because Honda Civics are more useful"

Huh?

Also PB just posted a $3k trance review that can ride all the same trails.Your horse get into your weed stash?
  • + 3
 No prob
  • - 3
 Medium only? So this bike is only made for people 5’7 and under? Nice gimmick bike, my money will be better spent elsewhere.
  • + 4
 As if you really were considering buying this
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