Lapierre's 2011 DH Bike Pendbox Suspension: In Detail And On Video!

Jun 25, 2010 at 6:59
by Mike Levy  
Day 2 in Chatel, France, at the launch of the new 2011 Lapierre DH platform. If you caught our previous coverage of the new bike you may have been wondering what is going on with their new suspension system. Inside you'll be able to watch a video of Lapierre designer Remi Gribaudo explaining exactly how their new Pendbox design works! Lots of pictures inside as well.

Read on...
Watch and learn: Lapierre's 2011 DH bike and Pendbox suspension:

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2011 Lapierre DH 920 frame
2011 Lapierre DH 920 frame

As was explained in the previous article on the new 2011 Lapierre DH platform, the new bike uses a single pivot design with a linkage driven shock that allows the engineers to fine tune the leverage rate to their liking, but there is more to the bike than first meets the eye. When looking at the bike from the driveside it would be easy to completely miss one of its defining features: the 'Pendbox' system. Pendbox is Lapierre's name for their new floating bottom bracket design that is used with the goal of making the new bike pedal quite well.

It should really be mentioned that although floating bottom brackets are far from new, the Pendbox on the 2011 Lapierre actually works quite differently to what is currently available. While current floating B.B. systems are usually put to use to keep chain growth in check on high pivot bikes, Lapierre's system is used specifically to improve pedaling. The floating bottom bracket on bikes so far have traveled rearward as the bike goes through its travel, thereby preventing excessive chain growth on long travel or high pivot bikes that would otherwise suffer. The Pendbox works in the opposite direction: once past the sag point, the floating B.B. unit moves forward to increase the distance between the crank center and cassette. While total movement is said to be a relatively short 5 mm, it's enough to keep the chain taut and the bike pedaling well. Again, although it looks quite similar to some current designs, it functions very differently. The Lapierre engineers explained to me that Pendbox allowed them to focus on the bike's suspension performance without having to worry as much about how it would influence pedaling. In effect, the Pendbox has let them separate suspension and pedaling duties while designing the bike. Pretty neat stuff. Stay tuned for my riding impressions!


Single pivot with a linkage driven shock... and floating bottom bracket
Single pivot with a linkage driven shock... and floating bottom bracket

Although the floating bottom bracket looks very similar to some current designs, its geometry  <br> is quite different and it actually functions in the exact opposite way
Although the floating bottom bracket looks very similar to some current designs, its geometry
is quite different and it actually functions in the exact opposite way


2011 Lapierre DH Team details
  • Entirely new model for 2011
  • 200 mm of rear wheel travel
  • Aluminum front triangle, carbon swingarm
  • Uses Lapierre's Pendbox system
  • Internal cable routing
  • Adjustable headtube angle, 64-63 degrees
  • Integrated seat post clamp
  • Frame weight of 8.4 lbs (300 grams lighter than last year's frame)
  • Two models: DH-Team and DH-720
  • Available as a frame only
  • Refined sizing: Large uses a 20 mm longer toptube


Looking up the back of the Lapierre's new DH bike and its carbon/aluminum swingarm
Looking up the back of the Lapierre's new DH bike and its carbon/aluminum swingarm

Adjustable headtube detail
Adjustable headtube detail

Chatel has plenty of proper terrain worthy of a proper DH race bike
Chatel has plenty of proper terrain worthy of a proper DH race bike


Stay tuned for a ride summary and my impressions of the new 2011 DH platform

What do you think of the new bike? Let us know below!


Visit Lapierre's website to see their entire range.


165 Comments

  • + 12
 Very French...
  • + 3
 french enough to put me off.
  • + 3
 yet you probably eat french fries....
  • + 6
 is it me or does the guy in the vid contradict himself? he says the suspension/pedalling have no effect on each other and then says pedalling the bike helps to pull the suspension back to the sag position
  • + 4
 Yeah i also noticed, if the bb goes forward whilst the back wheel is compressed... shouldn't that give even more chain stretch?
  • + 4
 first impression is this would have an enhanced "bobbing" effect. beautiful construction but i would like to ride one before i would consider buying one.
  • + 2
 the single pivot location eliminates almost all chaingrowth, so the bb moves forward to return the suspensions curve/axle path to its desired location, thereby eliminating pedal bob and optimizing the axle path and shock rate (be it linear, rising or falling)
  • + 4
 For me my downhill choices would be between this lapierrie, a knolly podium (although I want the delerium anyways), or the yeti 303rDH. This bike is unreal and has messed up all my future buying plans!
  • + 2
 I was personally thinking that if i could get any bike it would be the Devinci Wilson4 but i think that the lappiere has just completely replaced it
  • + 1
 Just aired out my new 303RDH in Bromont over the weekend...can't go wrong...trust me

www.pinkbike.com/photo/5236510
  • + 3
 I saw Blenky riding this rig on PinkBike yesterday,and it was one of the most composed,solid,and surefooted rides i'd ever seen,and believe me,i've been following MTBing for decades.This thing just mauls everything in it's path,and that's rare.
Ya think ya've seen it all with the likes of the DW link,the VPP,and the sublime Maestro system of the Glory.I could go on.But this single pivot linkage driven rig from the mastercraftsman at Lapierre,with its "Pendbox" floating bottom bracket technology,really does look the business.Seriousley,it's that good.By the loox of it in anycase.Huge props to all the team at Lapierre bikes.
Gringo.tup Big Grin Razz
  • + 1
 Thankyou finally someone who actually has seen the bike in action so your opinion is valid all these haters are doing my nut in i have the bike and its amazing and my friend has had the bike for a year nearly now and never replaced a bearing so fuck you all haters!!!!!!!
  • + 1
 fcuking right skusedh,from the first time i seen this rig in interbike pics from 2 year back,it looked special.And that prototype is unchanged to the production one of today,and if i was in the market for a DH frame this would be in my top 5,without even thinking about it.
just watching the Lapierre flying across the top of rough rock gardens at 35/40kmh,and watching Sam Blenkys arms and legs not juttering hardly at all,and watching in slow motion the fox 40 and the pendbox equipped carbon rear end of the bike just totally killing it.
In action,it's one of, if not the best performing DH bikes i have ever seen and i'm 34 and been into DH from the beginning,had Lapierre kept old of our very own Danny Hart,Lapierre would undoubtedly have a World Champ in their crew,they would have gold and silver.
The Pendbox equipped lapierre team DH is one of the top 5 fastest bikes on the planet,as a bonus,shes a beautiful little slag,who likes nothing better than getting used and abused.She loves it.

Gringo. Drool Beer Salute tup Beer
  • + 5
 bastards ive just bought two 920s 2010 3 months ago and they sed on there email to me that there wasnt a new 1 comin out liaring bastards
  • + 2
 Same here... never the less, I would love to see more testing of the bike before considering to go to 2011. I think Nico still has something up his's sleeve for 2011
  • + 2
 they should have called it a virtual bottom bracket or VBB lol. with axle point in relation to BB its doing the same as VPP. personally i've never liked the idea of a BB that moves though. having a cockpit that fluctuates seems odd but who knows. i have yet to ride one
  • + 1
 it moves 5mm, you would never ever notice it
  • + 0
 that i'd say is circumstantial. some people wouldn't, some would.
  • + 4
 it would be impossible to detect that movement, remember this moves a maximum of 5mm throughout the entire post sag stroke of the suspension, thereby you would have to do a full bottom out to even realize 5mm of movement, so for 98% of regular DH riding you would be seeing a movement of 2 or 3mm at most, there is no possible way that would be felt by a rider, the flex and movement in your tires, seat, legs, arms, bars etc are all way more than that, it would be imperceptible
but a valid point for you to bring up Smile
  • + 3
 I dare to say that this bike is one of the most expensive or the most expensive out there. not only for what it will cost, but the maintenance that involves too! but I'm sure it's worth!
  • + 1
 what maintenance?
  • + 4
 Hi, don't know if I'm right here, but did I count 7 pivots, therefore requiring 14 sets of bearings? If I could have an answer that would be much appreciated, thanks.


Joe
  • + 3
 Good assumption.
  • + 0
 no not all pivots require bearings and many are just dust caps on top of bolts that will see virtually no stress
  • + 1
 other than the shock mount bolt. each through bolt would have at least 2 bearing. for a total of 14 bearing.
  • + 0
 hmmmm, still looking like a 224 for the next big rig then!
  • + 3
 That floating bb looks lower than usual and seems like it would take a beating on most terrain... idk if that's a good idea for a DH bike. Super low BBs = destroyed BBs
  • + 0
 My thoughts exactly... I'm curious to see this in action.
  • + 2
 actually its not lower at all and it moves up to 5mm during travel up and forward so it may even have more clearance
  • + 0
 hmm, would that throw off your center of gravity then with the higher bottom bracket? idk... i'm not buying into the design. I felt there older design looked much better (would look spectacular without the pierced downtube) and they should have just modified that version than going with the single pivot which looks too old school for my liking.
  • + 1
 "Carbon is stronger than metal" Sorry but Metal is stronger than Carbon, its just 100times heavier. I understand Carbon on Road bikes, but Downhill?

One hit to a resin casted carbon structure is bad, and severely weekens it. This frame is good for a season at best, depending on your skills. Same reason people steer away from Manitou Dorados, they are high quality, and nice, but carbon on a front fork isnt gonna last as long as a Boxxer or Fox

But if you got the cash, Why Not!
  • + 3
 It looks amazing. I simply have no complaints about the aesthetic aspect of this frame. I'm sure it rides like sex on wheels, too.
  • + 4
 Why can't a French person count past 2............. because there's a tree in the way. Hahaha
  • + 1
 who gives a fuck bout the pivots, n shit it looks amazing extremely lightweight and to prouve its self i quialied 1st for round 3 so im very sure its fast, stop squabling about who thought of the design first and how there to too much going on. its a proper race bike and like all proper race bikes it needs to be maintained what there it may chew through bearings like none other but if you cash out to get this i dont think replacing a few bearings a season will be an issue
  • + 1
 Oh my god... Sam.. Sam Blenkinsop?.... I love you.. And just throwing this out there and in a totally non Homosesual kind of way, I'd give my left test!cle to spend a day riding with you, even though it wouldn't be so much riding With you as riding far behind you but still... the left one in its entirety...
  • + 5
 150mm rear axle? Or 135
and 1 1/8 or 1.5 headtube?
  • + 7
 so nice!!, there attention to detail is what sets them apart from other companies Smile
  • + 16
 so many pivots ...fun to maintain ... i wonder if the suspension locks up at all when your braking? Still its a great new design!
  • + 18
 wow, i really prefer the stealth look of this colour scheme, the shiny other scheme didn't quite do it for me :/

EDIT: HAHA! just reading all the new techno rubbish with the new lapierre, what they are actually saying is what they really wanted to do was use a high forward link driven sp, but since that's done already and instead of admitting its best lets move the main pivot closer to the bb, and make the bb move so it has the same effect as having a high forward main pivot

don't just take my word for it, the point of the floating bb in this case is to increase chain growth, which a higher forward main pivot already does with less maintenance and possible added weight.
hardly a massive step forward, just a long complicated way of achieving what has already been done then covering up with techno bauble.
  • + 8
 I dont know alot about it, but it looks nice!
  • + 8
 @bxxr-rider

Almost, but not quite. A higher main pivot will mimic what this bike does beyond the sag point, but it can't mimic what it does between 0% and the sag point. This design always seeks the sag point under pedal power, whereas a high pivot will be seeking the zero travel position. This bike does what Santa Cruz wanted to make us believe the S shaped axle path would.
  • + 0
 hummmm, you make a good point, i will defiantly have to have ago on the new lapierre to be fully convinced its worth the extra maintenance (im not one for maintenance, sp all the way Smile )

but still doubt it will be much different at all from a SP pedalling wise.
  • + 5
 i was always told that with more moving parts, more can go wrong
  • - 2
 GT i-drive for me ....
  • + 0
 okay, tell me how much it is so i can start saving up. Wink
  • + 4
 looks like a bearing eating suspension design. pretty foul, no wonder its not in eye-catching colours..
  • + 1
 is 8.4lbs with shock cuz if so thats pretty damn light!
  • + 1
 that's sick!!!!!!!!! My future bike, I hope... Smile
  • + 3
 im sorry, but this is a stupid design, why would you have so many pivots? it puts un-nessecary stress on other places on the bike, especially with the bar that links too the shock! it looks okay and its a good effort but i think Lapierre are just trying to hard!
  • - 8
flag burkemtnrider (Jun 25, 2010 at 13:54) (Below Threshold)
 fancy version of a urt?
  • + 0
 " downhill1409 "
shock link = good
floating bb in this case = useless
  • + 0
 where the heck is the seat post clamp?!
  • + 0
 bikerdude923
in front of the seat tube on the top tube, its a integrated seat clamp (bmx style apparently....)
  • + 2
 There will be very minimal stress on the bar link connecting the BB.

But from what i can tell you will get a lot of chain growth - and thus a lot of pedal kick-back? Possably even so much that you cant run a Short cage mech.

I wouldn't worry about strenght at all though.
  • + 1
 'I am Remiiiiiiii...' Razz
  • + 2
 they just put all those bullshit links in so more people would buy it... more people will take an overcomplicated linkage driven single pivot with floating bb than "just a normal single pivot", even though it would be lighter and stronger. nice bike but all those fancy little links arent going to change much no matter how many fancy words you come up with.
  • + 5
 so baisicily its a mongoose freedrive system and gt idrive but lapierre which means its SICK but if mongoose or gt re did there and looked like this then it would be f-in shit and everybody would turn their nose at it??
  • + 2
 doesnt it seeem like there would be alot of chain growth
  • + 2
 If I'm honest, I dont get this business about the chain tension pulling the system back to its normal position... Is that not what the spring and rebound circuit on your shock is for?

I'm not gonna knock it till I've tried one, but it does seem they're trying a little too hard to be 'innovative'.
  • + 2
 umm this is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of gt or mongoose.
  • + 3
 mongoose rider, Lapierres design does the opposite of the GT and Mongoose, instead of the bb moving back with the swingarm, it moves forward in an attempt to bring the platform to an "equilibrium point". also its much more than the suspension platform that has people intrigued: carbon swingarm, internal cable routing, adjustable HA, 8.4lbs, integrated fender and seatpost clamp etc etc etc

bunkey, spring and rebound are not generally intended to control the function of the suspensions axle path or really even its pedaling characteristics. as stated above the high single pivot of Lapierres design eliminates almost all chain growth and therefore doesn't need to move back like a GT to compensate for chain growth, therefore the bb moves forward to return the suspensions platform to an equilibrium and therefore axle path to an optimized position whether its pedal induced or a rock you're riding over
  • + 1
 Ah I forgot the whole equilibrium thing... Be interesting to see how this thing rides.
  • + 1
 Read the Idrive patents ..it does not matter which way the BB swings....the fact that it is not attached to the front or rear triangle renders this design an Idrive...Nico knows this...he raced for GT for 7 years and he knew Busby very well.....this is a blatent violation. But Mongoose rider brings up a great point, inherent biases and subjective market driven opinions are often substituted for grounded evaluation of designs and systems, the "cool" club is often mistaken....and often wrong when it comes to true innovation and good engineering....
  • + 0
 it may be i drive, but it still functions exactly opposite of the i drive we know.
  • + 1
 I think the concept of Idrive is not clear to 99.9 % of people..hence why it is not successful to this time....it does not matter what the BB does....it can go what ever way it wants....the fact that it can move independently of the front and rear triangle is what defines the principle.....obviously LaPierre understands the superiority of this system and hence has made a DH bike using it....its funny that the Fury which is much more highly advanced than this cut weld piece is scarcely mentioned...which once again proves the point that forums are driven by marketing as opposed to informed comment.
  • + 1
 I saw it in Morzine... The sickest bike I've ever seen :o
  • + 1
 To many pivot points, that many pivot points weakens the structure surrounding those pivot points, thus making the chance of cracks, blowouts and pressure breaks a very high probability. Like what was mention earlier, the more moving parts the more of a chance of problems. It looks awesome and would make a great bike for a poser..but for anyone doing any kinda real riding especially downhill..i only foresee pain and destruction.....
  • + 2
 The number of pivots do not necessarily weaken surrounding structure, improperly used materials and poor strengths testing weaken structures. If you engineer the product to withstand those stresses, they will live up to that data, thats what engineering is.
i've seen enough single pivot and multi pivot bikes break to know that poorly sourced materials and improper testing is what leads to failure
Lapierre tests their products extensively both in house and 3rd party, this will be more than strong enough for the best DH racers (Sam blenkinsop, Nico Voullioz, etc) in the world and every day riders like the rest of us
  • + 1
 well said...vernon is talking out his ass like usual
  • + 5
 it looks like something batman would ride.
  • + 3
 thats cool. but all in all its just a fancy single pivot that really doesnt seem quite worth how expensive its going to be. much rather ride the dw link turner
  • + 3
 apples to oranges buddy
  • + 2
 and commencal
  • + 1
 actually it won't be that expensive at all, right in line with everyone else
  • + 1
 its still just a single pivot
  • + 1
 $8300 is in line with who exactly?
  • + 1
 I reckon we need designs like this to keep pushing the boundaries in racing and the sport forward but I'm still with the single pivot calls; mud and maintenance are realities for a lot of us.
  • + 0
 I don't see how this Pendbox design can be without significant chain growth - a quick check of the geometry with ruler and compass should confirm this. And it clearly doesn't attempt to allieviate it, it makes it a bit worse by allowing strong suspension compressions to send the BB forward and further away from the rear axle than would otherwise be the case. Pedal kickback is the necessary consequence of this. And the justification of all this is? To use the chain tension produced by pedalling to pull the suspension back to its sag position. Bunkey is right, that is what your shock is for!

The Mongoose Freedrive floating bottom bracket design has the virtue of not pretending to be anything other than a way of allieviating chain growth. GT, on the other hand, has made grandiose and unintentionally funny claims for its (related) i-Drive/ID system. Ken Sasaki has shown that the GT techno-babble is unrelated to the actual physics of bicycle suspensions. But, thankfully, i-Drive does allieviate chain growth (to an extent). Pendbox can't even claim to have met the chain growth challenge, ignoring that it instead (if it works) solves a problem that could only arise because of very poor shock selection and tune.

I can't agree with the rejection of Pendbox on the ground of patent infringement though. Patents in so many places and particularly the USA are a completely broken system affording unjustifiable commercial protection for overly long periods to undeserving patent claimants. That said, the principle of a patent is that it affords commercial protection to expressions of an idea but those protections do not extend to anything like an exclusive right to use of the idea itself. So, Lapierre can and should do their own thing, they will just have to prove that their floating bottom bracket has some value.
  • + 1
 thanks for creating an account to cry about a bike that is better in almost every way to whats currently out there....the points you make about CG is irrelevant and you have obviously missed the whole point and thus are a f*cking tool and Bunkey is just as ignorant...THE SHOCK IS FOR RETURNING THE SUSPENSION TO ITS SAG POSITION? are you totally retarded? For one the Spring would be doing that part of the work if thats what is was trying to do.....fools.
  • + 2
 A cool side benefit of that floating BB is that you dont need to worry about mashing your ISCG tabs... you can just replace the BB unit if your taco gets hammered.
  • + 4
 It's French...sooner or later it's going to give up on you...
  • + 1
 lol @ that
  • + 1
 It's a single Pivot like Orange 224 but they have added more moving parts. I'd love to know how much maintenance you need to do with that system. The frame looks cool though nad the carbon swinger is cool way to save weight.
  • + 1
 This looks like something an F1 team would put together, very nice detail on it To all the haters saying its too complex, watch the video and it will make alot more sense, actually worth the extra complexity.
  • + 1
 Nico Voullioz of Lapierre was one of the top rally car drivers in Europe the past couple years, he was working with BOS suspension for both his cars and bikes. Not quite F1 but getting close Wink
  • + 2
 My god that looks sexy !!! Also good to hear they have added 20mm to the top tube , us lanky dudes have a chance on it now Smile
  • - 1
 Well,
i can only say that Lapierre too, failed to mention from were they copy-pasted this idea (just like GT & Mongoose).
Just hit the phrase Full Floating Double Action Suspension Design at a search machine and you'll discover (ooops) a patent (PCT/GR 99/00031 WO 12376, EC classification B62K19/34,B62K25/28C, EP 1024994) that has been ripped by many "big" names....

UncaJohn
Admitting your sources is not a bad thing.
  • + 1
 Interesting point.... I realize you own these patents listed above and that that is why you're voicing your opinion, I also understand that your patent was rejected 3 times by the US patent office after claiming your patent was infringed upon by GT. I think its great what you're doing but your patent was rejected 3 times because the US patent office obviously didn't have the same findings you have. Keep up the good work, its great to follow your stuff and I understand you have a gearbox in the works
  • + 1
 Well, I do (gearbox is the next lgical step), but i do also have some objections abou the allmighty US patent office...
You see, EVERY new idea, in order to be able to receive the precious patending status or not, has to pass though a detailed exam by the local and international patent offices (in this case, both the Greek & european pantend offices, which both send their info to the US patend office and received sufficiend data in order to provide a status A patend, to the original design!!!).
So the problem is focused upon the conflict between the US & EU / GR patend offices & the very strong suppor the US patends enjoy from their counrty (a good thing in general, i wish GR & EU patend offices were like that).
But,
in this case even the US patend office addmits that GT has patended AFTER the PCT/GR 99/00031 WO 12376 claim...
And for your infomation, the claims of the US patend office (which handles you the right to object ONLY 3 times) were upon some motorbike suspension designs... the same design that still struggle for their status here in the EU.
So,
the result is that this patend, now, is free. No point in paying every year large ammounds of money on an idea that has been ripped from so many.

UncaJohn
Now working, as you mentioned, on a Gearbox bike based upon this suspension design. Bu this will take time.
  • + 1
 it is also protected in the EU as well...
  • + 3
 Def looks cool but I'll never get one...
  • + 0
 and if your over 14 stone will prob snap in half like the rest of the useless french shit. dunno bout there dh rigs but the zesty's n spicey's are made from spit n tissue paper
  • + 1
 Test (written in french) and more pictures here :
www.velovert.com/article/2757/lapierre-dh-team-2011-on-l-a-deja-teste
  • + 2
 Pedal kick-back on hard landings? clean lines, nice looking design. crazy number of pivots/ bearings..
  • + 0
 With so many sets of steel bearings it's gotta be heavier than necessary. I wonder how it behaves in comparison to my mongoose's freedrive(also relatively heavy.) Definitely looks cool though. Have to hand that to them
  • + 0
 you mean the bike that pulses the pedals forwards and back when you ride it?
  • + 1
 A zero chain growth single pivot with floating BB. Doesn't pulse in any way, pedals great, and soaks what it's built for.
  • + 0
 nice try , you couldn't be more wrong...I have ridden more than one and I ride with a Sponsored goose rider regularly.
  • + 1
 it is 36 pounds full build thats not heavy thats ridiculously light!
  • + 2
 Amazing, too bad the us may never see this frame available.
  • + 1
 you will be pleasantly surprised Wink
keep posted
  • + 1
 Am I to assume that this bike will be available stateside? Other models in Lapierre's line infringe on the FSR patent, but since this one doesn't... Right?
  • + 1
 the lapierre VPS interferes on the VPP patent, and the spicy and zesty interferes on the FSR patent. we should be able to get it in the US, since there are no current patents on this kind of technology
  • + 1
 floating BB looks really weird, but the swingarm looks sick!! Not sure I'd trust a carbon swingarm though
  • + 3
 Plenty strong me thinks.
  • + 1
 it's not about how strong it is...it's most about how much hit the swingarm gets... ; rock, mud, chain etc. i would put some solid protector on the drive site to be sure the chain do not eat the carbon
  • + 1
 carbon is stronger than metal when put together right, so this will be strong enough, they've been making carbon mountain bikes and road bikes for years an yes a chain guard is a great idea on any bike
  • + 1
 Carbon is stronger yes, but the resin compound used to bond the Carbon Fibres is less ductile than metals. This means that if it deforms too much, it snaps and is structurally lost. Metals will deform also, but will do so plastically (permanent deformation) and will maintain their strength to large degree.
For you that means that on severe impact (rock, tree) the carbon part will break off with all associated nasty stuff for you, wheres a metal part will deform, needs to be replaced but won't immediatly cause you crashing into the ground (although hitting tree might do that anyway).

This is one reason why I'm still not convinced it is the best material for (heavy duty) mountainbikes. On roadbikes etc. it makes perfect sense, but when going through a rockgarden I want to worry about myself, not my bike, if go down.
  • + 1
 you forget about the protective CF layer that is on the outside of the swingarm to protect against impacts....and besides they will replace it ASAP if it does fail in any way....great warranty and support in 2011 from Lapierre!
  • + 0
 if its got a good price tag, then it doesnt really matter if la pierre is selling a recycled single pivot, eccentric bb bike. so how much is it anyways?
  • + 1
 holla snap i want one how much?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
  • + 0
 It looks absolutely phenomenal, but it looks like it would have ridiculous pedal feedback, GT's floating bottom bracket system is a thousand times better
  • + 1
 fail
  • + 1
 wonders how much dirt can get in there Smile
  • + 1
 pure sex. I'm really impressed
  • + 1
 how about brake jacking? stiff suspension during braking
  • + 1
 a lot of work, but you got the idea, do it up Razz
  • + 1
 who uses brakes?
  • + 0
 God.. it's an endless battle of who can innovate the best suspension design. VPS. Enough said.
  • + 1
 Norco bought VPS rights from Specialized Wink
  • + 0
 interference seat post design? i think not. i like to be able to extant my seat for the climbs and free ride yet lower it enough to play at parks.
  • + 1
 like anyone is going to out and "climb" this bike for any distance.....pull your head out of your ass
  • + 1
 looks like outer-spacer 0_o so many sick designs lately!
  • + 1
 it is very cool n' nice! but i wouldnt buy it after a citröen Smile
  • + 1
 i really wanna get a lapierre. is the best bike i ve seen so far
  • + 1
 when I can afford one, i'll pick up a frame for sure.
  • + 1
 love the guys accent ahhahahah
  • + 1
 Sounds like this frame will snap lots of chains
  • + 1
 different but i like it
  • + 1
 how much will it cost?
  • + 1
 So many props! Smile
  • + 0
 Hmm, floating bb and carbon on a DH bike. GT must be up in arms.
  • + 1
 haunted bike:O
  • + 1
 such a beast!
  • - 2
 I want, now! Looks a similar type of linkage to the knolly bikes but its amazing Big Grin
  • + 1
 Well technically yes the swingarms are single pivot, the difference here is the floating BB, sorta like the idrive (don't quote me please), this in my opinion looks damn impressive, it actually uses chain tension vs some frames eliminating chain tension throughout the travel, like the idrive system. My yakuza kumicho frame has a high pivot point and has plenty of chain tension when using the suspension, and pedals really well for that.
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 aye, looks great. Taken two existing platforms and joined them to make a real sweet ride Smile
  • + 1
 Thought the same thing when I saw the pics of this bike, the setup looks just like my GT DHi & before anyone points out its not exactly the same, I know! www.pinkbike.com/photo/5255854
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 it works the exact opposite though, GT BB moves backwards but this moves forwards. Am I right? Somebody with more knowledge please help here :L
  • + 2
 Like I said don't quote me! (even though you technically didn't) What I meant by 'single pivot' was that the swing arm that holds the axel connects straight into the frame, not like a VPP or DW link which has a seperate floating pivot point.

funky is right, look at the pic boardnz posted.
  • + 1
 funky yes it works opposite of Idrive, the bb moves forward to compensate for when the bike goes beyond its sag point, thereby trying to return the suspension to a virtual equilibrium point
in other words instead of just focusing on making the bike pedal well (which is what the single pivot location of this bike does in terms of chain growth) the used a forward moving bb to optimize how the suspension works throughout its travel
many companies focus on one or the other, this appear to do both very very well
  • + 1
 Thanks alot for explaining it properly man Smile Makes sense now so i expect to see blenkinsop ripping it this season even more so than usual Razz
  • - 2
 150mm rear end, 1 1/18 headtube.
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 i think it looks like a 1.5 headtube
  • + 4
 It looks like an adjustable head angle reducer inside a 1.5 headtube. So 1-1/8 only.
  • + 0
 nah thats a 1.5, to big for a 1'1/8
  • + 1
 "Adjustable headtube angle, 64-63 degrees". You think that headtube is big enough for a 1.5" steerer to be adjusted by a full degree?
  • + 4
 Uhh...when was the last time you saw a DC fork with a 1.5" steer tube??
  • - 5
flag doug13 (Jun 25, 2010 at 11:49) (Below Threshold)
 TC
  • + 1
 uhh...loaded its called a headset reducer. I'm not saying its 1 1/8 or 1.5 cuz I dunno.
  • + 1
 it looks to spall for a reducer, and me frame had a 1.5 headtube and they look pretty much the same size
  • + 0
 show me a triple clamp fork that has a 1.5 steerer
  • + 1
 way to start this up again, but i think you'll find many dh frames have 1.5 steerers cause there stronger.
  • + 0
 I was replying to Smike...and FRAMES dont have steerers noob.
  • + 1
 like ive already said, i made an error in my comment, and you made a pointless comment, grow up.
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 I was saying that the headtube was NOT big enough for a 1.5" steertube to be adjusted. And I did not say anywhere that any TC forks have 1.5" steertubes.
  • - 1
 smike; "You think that headtube is big enough for a 1.5" steerer to be adjusted by a full degree?"...My point is, who is going to run a single clamp fork in this bike dude. Seeing that all triple clamps are 1.5 your comment is irrelevant. Hence, my comment; "show me a triple clamp fork that has a 1.5 steerer"... Thanks for playing.
  • + 0
 no one said anything about running single crowns and nor did you, all triple arnt 1.5, there very rare in that size if there is any, and your comment was irrelivent and fucking stupid, go away.
  • + 1
 @rydindirty: i don't even understand what you're trying to say. My question (in my original post) was a *rhetorical* question. Do you know what that means?
  • + 1
 and this is whats wrong with PB.....more idiots than you can throw a stick at...
  • + 2
 That would be "shake a stick at". And that's not what's wrong with PB. What's wrong with PB is people who pick fights to make themselves feel smart. See ya.
  • + 1
 i totally agree with smike, even tho instead of making yourself look smart you not just look like a tool.
  • + 1
 oops I meant 1.125 on the TCF issue....not picking fights SMIKE just replying to posts that are irrelevant, like your irrelevant rhetorical question.
  • + 2
 You are replying to a rhetorical question?
  • + 1
 Hahahaha

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