Magped's Magnetic Pedal - Crankworx Whistler 2018

Aug 13, 2018 at 22:19
by Mike Levy  
Magped magnetic pedal


Magnetic pedals aren't a new idea - they've been done before and never really took off - but Magped's version includes a few nifty tricks that are worth taking a look at. But before that, it needs to be clear that Magped doesn't intend for their magnetic pedal to be a replacement for clipless or even someone's platform pedals, but rather as a third choice that might make sense for some riders.

The Sport AL15 looks a lot like a normal platform pedal, but there's a round magnet bolted to just one side of the body, essentially making them a single-sided pedal. Because the magnet is only on one side, the pedal should always rotate so that the magnetic side is facing up and towards the rider. The neodymium magnet itself is available in three different strengths, starting with 100N, then 150N and 200N, and you can swap them out as needed.

Magped recommends that younger, lighter riders should start with the 100N magnets that will hold the rider's feet in place until they surpass 10kg of pulling force. The 150N and 200N magnets each require, you guessed it, 15kg and 20kg of pulling force before letting go.
Magped magnetic pedal
Magped also sells the pins separately.


Magped magnetic pedal
The magnets are bolted to a flexible bushing that lets them move slightly.


They have another trick up their sleeve, too, with the magnets being mounted on a flexible polymer bushing that lets them move around slightly. Why do that? Because it creates a bit of natural-feeling float in every direction that lets your foot find it's most comfortable position.

The cleat, which can be bolted to any SPD-compatible shoe, is pretty much just a thin piece of steel that sits into the recessed cleat cavity of the outsole. The magnets sit just proud of the pedal body, and shims under the cleat are used to make sure that the magnet hits the cleat just as the pedal's pins hit the sole of your shoe.


Magped magnetic pedal
Magped magnetic pedal
Only one side gets a magnet, but the opposite side can be used as a normal platform pedal, especially because the flat cleat sits up in the shoe's recess.


The Sport AL15 weighs a claimed 474-grams and retails for $130 USD. Magped is also working on two other versions: The 360-gram (for a pair) Flow will have a CNC-machined aluminum body, a titanium spindle, more robust bearings, and a stronger single magnet; the downhill and enduro Vortex pedal will sport a magnet on each side, Chromoly spindle, and an extruded body.


123 Comments

  • 184 4
 If I get these, can I stick my bike to the refrigerator?
  • 32 2
 wifey's going to love this
  • 11 1
 only if you stick a polaroid in-between it.
  • 6 1
 Only if you've made your bed
  • 2 2
 you're the man.
  • 113 6
 I’m betting these pedals will be polarizing.
  • 91 7
 I can see positives and negatives to them.
  • 22 24
 That was a positively repulsive pun. Wink
  • 9 23
flag ybsurf (Aug 13, 2018 at 22:38) (Below Threshold)
 I'm not "positive" about that
  • 52 6
 I don't find them attractive
  • 8 15
flag ctd07 (Aug 13, 2018 at 22:56) (Below Threshold)
 @Zaff: on that point, surely the other side of the pedal will push your feet away!!???
  • 4 2
 Do they sell a concave version for extra $50?
  • 2 12
flag jeremiahwas (Aug 14, 2018 at 0:10) (Below Threshold)
 @mtbikeaddict: What can I say? I’ve got a great set of puns.
  • 15 15
 I'm repulsed by the opposition to this attractive idea!!!
  • 6 14
flag sirnightingale (Aug 14, 2018 at 0:33) (Below Threshold)
 i´m sure i´ll get very attached to them
  • 28 6
 Not my field of expertise
  • 1 10
flag OllyR (Aug 14, 2018 at 5:16) (Below Threshold)
 @will-burr WINS the prize
  • 10 8
 As a metal head i find myself drawn to these...
  • 3 6
 @Zaff: I see Another stupid trend coming
  • 14 3
 This thread is going South Wink
  • 3 4
 such influx' of lousiness
  • 3 4
 @micahaalders3: finally someone gets it. Magnets have poles, not +/- charges. Someday the geeks will rule. It’s ok though because the bikes will be really really good.
  • 42 3
 I am actually intrigued by these, as someone who would love to ride clips and has tried, but just can’t seem to get the positioning right for where I’m comfortable placing my feet. These seem like they would allow a bit more freedom for foot placement then clipless cleats.
  • 1 2
 +1 to this
  • 45 2
 I ride flats and would love a way to make sure my foot was always in the same place without going full clipless.
  • 3 1
 Yeah they do look pretty cool. I have truly rooted knees and ankles so I can't twist my foot out enough to disengage a cleat very quickly. This is fine for commuting, but no good for mtb. So. I wonder if something like this would work better. Interesting.
  • 2 2
 these have been around forever. The engineer who developed them works his day job creating custom prosthetics for amputees, and this is big in that space.

maglockbikepedal.com
  • 3 1
 @LoganKM1982: Totally, just the lightest magnet they offer to guide the foot back to it's proper place without holding it too tight so that I can still whip it off in any direction at any time without a moments notice would be amazing. If done right, these could be best of both worlds.

You'd also be able to use (what I find to be anyway) the stiffer clipless 5.10 shoes models... Kestral Lace with this system would be perfect!!
  • 1 1
 @islandforlife: Yep, this is kind of where I'm at. It seems like a nice hybrid system that gives you a bit of both worlds.
  • 2 1
 I could see a benefit to these as a guy with 4 knee surgeries, I like being able to move my foot a little on the pedals to reduce knee pain from the same position all ride (float sort of helps but it is also better to move the whole foot now and again). I’ve switched to flats this year and that’s helped a bunch, but since I’m not Sam Hill I’m still a little faster with clipless. I’m not racing these days, so if I loose a few seconds because of flats, I really don’t mind so I’m not hunting for something like this but I’d try it out.

The problem I see with these is that the magnet almost seems like it’s on the wrong side of the axle. If the magnet was on the forward side of the axle, you would be able to center your foot more on the axle the way most people ride flats vs clipless.
  • 1 1
 @islandforlife: Haven't tried the kestral system yet, but then I still ride in skate shoes most the time. I wasn't too interested in that or Boa until I saw Seth's bike hacks put a boa lace system on his cast for his broken...wrist? I think it was.
  • 27 5
 If you attached the steel plate to a 750ml water bottle and then just peddled with one foot it would solve the No.1 problem caused by modern enduro frames.... you would however have to alternate sides each ride to avoid getting one cartoonishly massive leg.
  • 3 2
 Like a Boost-Fidlock.
  • 24 1
 will you be doing a test ride and review on this? super curious.
  • 13 6
 no...why...just give them 130 bucks Smile
  • 11 20
flag jojotherider1977 (Aug 13, 2018 at 23:31) (Below Threshold)
 @bemix: because I don't want to just throw away $130 on pedals and however much on shoes and then not like them. I've already done that with clipless a couple times.
  • 15 3
 @jojotherider1977: buddy, i was sarcastic
  • 5 1
 @bemix: you even had the smiley face!
  • 2 1
 @Kickmehard: no biggie
  • 7 1
 @bemix: oop, my bad. Sarcasmometer was down for the day.
  • 1 2
 these have been out for a while now maglockbikepedal.com
  • 23 4
 How are these pedals suppoed to work on Mars? If I'm future proofing my bike, I'd like to to be Mars compatible and those magnets would just attract dust.
  • 20 1
 These should feature electromagnets wired into a hub dynamo. Faster u go, stronger the force. When u hit pukker inducing speeds ur locked in place and along for the ride..
  • 20 1
 until you lock up the back wheel and suddenly get launched over the bars hahaha
  • 18 2
 I'm down. One time I got hardware store magnets and glued them to My shoe and pedal. Surprisingly, didn't work that well
  • 14 2
 I want to know someone who owns these... THEN, I want to replace their cleat with the oppositely charged magnet. "Bro why can't I step on my pedals?"
  • 11 2
 If you set a whole load of magnets on the side of the course, could you use them to propel you forwards?
  • 7 1
 Looks like its adopter version of chinese oem pedal: bit.ly/2nCngqd
  • 1 1
 looks to be exactly the same with the bottom plate just swapped, good spot. Ill save myself $100 and buy them, a skateboard truck bush and a fridge magnet.
  • 8 2
 I'm just here for the ICP references.
  • 2 1
 Effing magnets...how do they work?
#magicalmysteries
  • 2 1
 fire, water, wind and earth, f*cking magnets, how do they work?
  • 8 5
 I love the idea that I go to put my foot on the pedal but a rusty nail (insert any magnetic object here) is now in the way as I laid my bike down next to it and I have to stop to remove it!
  • 15 2
 On the other hand...imagine the possibilities: can double as penny chaser and actually make money from MTB riding potentially making the pedals a free buy Smile
  • 12 1
 One of my greatest joys is riding over rusty nails and not getting them stuck to my pedals.
  • 4 2
 I'm with you on this. After a good couple rides, this will pick up enough iron filings from the ground, and those are not the easiest to get off.
  • 2 1
 That should be an anti-theft device
  • 3 1
 @Patsplit: Where the hell are you guys riding that you're bound to pick up metallic debris all over the place?
  • 1 6
flag betsie (Aug 15, 2018 at 7:37) (Below Threshold)
 @jayacheess: We don't ride in hell that is for sure.
Who said that I was "bound to pick up metallic debris all over the place"? That is you making an assumption as to the intent of my statement and trying to put words into my mouth!!!

If we engage our brains for a second, these pedals don't solve an issue, but create multiple issues.
Additional weight, pedal will only sustain damage from 1 side, a magnet will pick up magnetic items, in the garage, out on the trail etc. Pedal is now biased to a certain position when the foot is removed, remove foot and clip something with the pedal and it could be on the wrong side when placing your foot, I would be back on the issue when hiking a bike in the mountains of not wanting to step on wet rocks due to the metal plate not adhering to wet rocks very well, spares would be limited for availability due to this being a niche product... etc etc.

I only gave 1 example of a potential issue with the pedal but there is a few more for you to have a look at Smile

If you want to purchase a set, on you go, but for me there are too many negatives.
  • 1 1
 @betsie: I agree that those are potential negatives, but neither of us know how the pedal actually performs. Might be worth waiting on a review before we make any more assumptions.
  • 3 2
 @betsie: while it's true that these pedals might create certain issues specific to this design, to say that they don't solve any issues is a little short-sighted. To be more accurate, you yourself could say, "These pedals don't solve any issues for me", which would be a totally valid statement. I believe it's almost a guaranteed certainty that this product is the perfect compromise that hundreds, if not thousands, of riders, across all disciplines and walks of life, have been searching for.
No product is perfect. Every design is a compromise, whether it's flats, clipless, magnetic or any other variant or system that exists. It's just a case of deciding what set of compromises best fit your needs.

It's a safe bet that the designers have considered all of the points that you mentioned, included many more that you didn't.
Sure, these pedals might rest at an inconvenient angle when the rider is not standing on them, but so do roadie-style clipless pedals, straps and toe clips. It's an easy problem to adapt to and overcome.
The cleat plate might slippy on wet rocks, but you could say the same of normal cleats.
Spares will surely be less common that, say, Shimano, but being a niche product doesn't mean parts will be impossible to come by. Look at Rohloff hubs, for example. They're not the most wide-spread of items, but the do have a strong following and continued support from the manufacturer.

At the end of the day, your opinion isn't incorrect, but it could be a little more considered.
You're obviously not interested in these pedals, but I always urge people to try the things that they're dead-against (within reason, of course), as they might just be pleasantly surprised. I use to laugh derisively at fixie riders, and then I thought I should give it a go before totally dismissing them. I've been riding fixed nearly every day for the last 5 or 6 years and I don't plan to give up any time soon (of course, shelling out $130 just to give something a go is a pretty unreasonable expectation of someone).
Apologies for the essay.

Peace.
  • 1 1
 @Gackt:
My response was very considered. I could only imagine if I was to put an idea like this to the leadership team, let alone global marketing in my sector what the response would be...
Bit like lazers on sharks...
If you can present the numbers, market research and evidence along with the business case for thousands of riders that would be good. Small companies can make niche products. If these were really marketable and had a good ROI then HT, shimano etc would be making or white labelling them.

Enjoy
  • 7 2
 Magnets attracts the minerals in dirt. Wonder how they perform in real world conditions.
  • 3 0
 I was going to post this... these pedals would not work at some of my local trails around the front range of Colorado as the dirt and rocks are attracted by magnets. I dropped a device that has magnetic closures at the trailhead and when I picked it up I had to remove a lot of dirt and small rocks that were clinging to the magnets.
  • 1 1
 Yup, one good digger and it might get covered in iron filings.
  • 2 0
 @davec113: unlike all my other components, which are completely impervious to Front Range dirt and dust...
  • 3 0
 A few years ago there was a guy on here that wanted to make magnetic pedals. He was slaughtered in that thread. I hope this is him and that he sells a ton of these.
  • 3 0
 This is actually nothing new, I've seen a few videos over the years where people with prosthetic leg use it to keep their foot over pedal without being clipped in, I believe most of them used Maglocks, but can only be a good thing to have more options.
  • 1 0
 I can see it now....you get a couple of miles into the trail and instead of clearing the mud from your cleats you have to clear all the lost metal pieces from the trail. There will be small bolts and screws stuck to your pedal...maybe a beer can or two, possibly a class ring. It could actually turn into a second hobby. Go trail riding and see what you get stuck to your pedal.
  • 1 0
 I started riding on these in July in Luxembourg and they are exactly what I have been looking for. I prefer these by far over my current flat pedals and they help my chicken legs on climbs. Can't wait to tear up some trails in Arizona with these.
  • 2 2
 i am testing those things since a while now and it kida works like it should. drawback the pedal itself is not very strong and gets bent quiet easy. also i had to sharpen the pins a bit to make it work a bit better. over all. 5/10
  • 3 1
 Thin plates on standoffs are a bad design, you have paralellogram prblems. The load paths suck.
  • 2 2
 My biggest concern, besides price, is that it seems as though you'll only be able to remove your foot from the pedal when your foot is at the top of it's rotation. I could be wrong, but wouldn't the foot and pedal go up together until there is a force holding the pedal in place?

Otherwise I love the idea and think it's got a lot of potential in endurance stage races and adventure rides.
  • 1 1
 And the fact that every time that a magnet is knocked it loses its strength...
  • 1 1
 After some nerve damage in my leg these sound great, as I dont have much twisting power needed for clipless and flats are great just need some time to get situated just right. But it's obvious they just modified the cheesiest Chinese pedals they could find, some quality design would make these good but right now it looks more like a proof of concept
  • 1 1
 Bravo- A good go between clips and flats. I can see this type of technology melding into the future of enduro or agressive all mountain riding. I for one would enjoy trying these out soon. It will be interesting to see how many pick up on this type of technology.
  • 1 1
 I was actually very interested the first time I saw these, but the single sided magnet would present some problems it seems. They designed it so the magnet side of the pedal swings down so coming on to the pedal from behind, like you would from a stop, it flips up to contact the cleat. However, what about when you have a foot out and forward for fast loose corners? Going back to the pedal from the front would rotate the magnet to the opposite side it seems. Could be cool if it was double sided and refined.
  • 2 2
 These are dual sided maglockbikepedal.com
  • 1 1
 Would be nice whit something that could line up your foot a little bit though, in that case, they could team up with polymagnet for some stuff straight from the future

vimeo.com/107166552

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IANBoybVApQ
  • 1 1
 That Youtube link is hands down the coolest thing I've ever seen out of the comments section. I'm blown away that the video, in which they truly appear to have their product figured out, is from two years ago and we don't see those things everywhere by now. Their catalog is right on their site and the magnets are not exceedingly expensive.
  • 1 1
 I don’t know... but maybe. I like riding flats at the park but when I start bouncing going warp on the chunk my feet will move more than I like. If this keeps them in just enough contact that I’m not riding with my heel right over the axle into corners as much It may be a winner
  • 1 1
 They look kinda cool actually but please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that magnet is one side only. If thats true it's a design flaw because people who use any clipless pedals want to clip in on either side without looking.
  • 1 1
 Shunt valve users beware.

"Devices known to contain magnets should be kept away from the immediate valve implant location, as they may have an effect on the performance level setting of the Strata-type valve."
www.medtronic.com/us-en/healthcare-professionals/products/neurological/shunts/strata-adjustable-pressure-valve/indications-safety-warnings.html
  • 1 1
 Zipp ties problem solved, You can even use them to tie a water bottle to your endure frame, Please no questions about quality reliability and reuseableness we are still in the development stage
  • 3 1
 Maybe they'll develop another switch for the handlebars to turn off the magnets.
  • 3 1
 Each time I look at the magnet, I can already feel the good sensation of the sand or mud stuck between it and the plate...
  • 3 1
 Or a rubberized supermagnet in the shoe insteadSmile
  • 2 1
 Just imagine all the metal that would collect after a day in the bush!.....NOT
  • 2 1
 I guess older riders with pacemakers may want to stay away from these Eek
  • 1 1
 so at 21kg of force my feet are going to come off the pedals? Not sure i want to worry about the release point while i'm riding.
  • 1 0
 No you kinda did your math wrong. 21 kg = 45 Lbf per foot. So a total of 90 lbf. Say your bike is 40 lb DH rig. That means you need 50 lbf to come off. Also that is shear force not force normal to the magnet. This works the same way fidlock and current clipless pedals release. Twist to the side.

Example get some neodymium magnets and try to pry them off directly normal from each other, way harder than it looks right? Now twist them off, super easy.

I’m honestly just going to bite to bullet and test their claims and confirm or deny people hesitations. My test will be at snow summit. Dry and dusty. My neutral pedal will be crank brother stamp 7, because I know they work.
  • 3 1
 Y tho?
  • 12 1
 Well I for one, could use these. I have a hard time getting correct footplacement on my flats.
Because I have limited movement, strength and feeling left in my right leg, due to nerve damage, arthritis etc. in my lower back.

So this would take "finding" my pedals out of the equation, without the scary moments associated with clipless, which I almost can't clip out of Razz

Anyway, I know this is a very specific set of disabilities. But this would work for some people Smile
  • 3 0
 @SkipSkovhugger: Agreed. Neuropathy in my right foot equals constantly glancing down to see if I'm set on the pedal in good position. This would be a big help.
  • 1 0
 @DirtbagMatt: It's the worst isn't it?
I'm constantly looking at my foot, trying to reposition (which isn't always easy with these extremely sticky flats and 5-10's). I've found that the only real way for me to figure out if the foot is the correct place, is to push my leg outward, to see if it "rolls" off the pedal.
And of course if the heel hits the crank arm.
  • 3 0
 @SkipSkovhugger: sounds like we're in the same boat! Broken back last summer left my right leg weak, and ankle rather useless. Foot tends to float because certain muscles don't work anymore, and can't find the pedal. Miss my clips for sure!

Do you wear or suggest anything for a brace or support to help? I haven't tried anything yet, but starting to think it would help..
Definitely curious about them,
we should probably get sponsored by these guys!
  • 4 0
 @bmxslinger: Haha sponsorship would be great wouldn't it?
Sorry to hear about you broken back man, rehabilitation must have been hell.

I haven't looked at braces, mainly because they would limit dexterity. And I'm not sure that limiting my movement, despite the extra support, would be the way to go.

My condition isn't from anything as drastic as a broken back.
I started out with pain in my lower back, radiating into the right leg. My Doc wouldn't do anything, as I was probably just overexerting something. So he just gave me painkillers.
Fast forward ~10 years, and I got an MRI that showed 3 tears and herniation in my intervertebral discs between L4-L5 and L5-S1. Together with a severe case of Spinal Stenosis, and some arthritis that presumably was caused because of the damaged discs not supporting the back.
Anyway I've had a few operations, mainly to remove the parts of my vertebrae that pinch the nerves and mobilize the discs.
Unfortunately the nerves had already taken permanent damage. So I'll never have a fully functioning leg again.

On the bright side, I can now eat as much chili as I want, and only have to worry about a burning sensation in the left half of you-know-where Big Grin
  • 1 0
 if the Overall grip is good and there'd be another Color scheme.. why not?
  • 6 6
 If you are standing on the non clipped side one pedal strike would rip that magnet right off.
  • 5 1
 I assume that comment is based on your years of riding similar magnetic pedals?
  • 5 2
 @Gackt: Not magnetic but lots of pedal strikes some of which knock pins out. The magnet sticks up so just an observation.
  • 1 1
 @Gackt: Look at the size of that bolt. No way that's going to survive a really good rock strike. I imagine that's that main reason the pedal is one-sided. I hope the enduro/dh models will use a larger cleat and a recessed magnet. Or a far more robust mounting system.
  • 1 1
 @MysticMCyclist: It's a little difficult to be sure, but I don't think the magnet sticks up that much. Have a look at this pic on their Instagram:

www.instagram.com/p/BgePQ72jsCx/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=125xsklii515k

It looks as though the magnet is a touch lower than the pins.
They won't be indestructible, but I'm interested to see the real-world accounts of customers to see how they hold up to pedal strikes and crashes.
  • 1 0
 A marvel studio production ..
  • 1 0
 Hopefully these are better than the current Mag Lock Pedals.
  • 2 1
 They have a certain attraction to them.
  • 2 1
 I think these will do well in the poles!
  • 1 0
 Can you reverse these as a prank on your friend?
  • 1 1
 It’s no April 1st so this is real? As a child I remember what happen when you put a magnet in the dirt!
  • 1 1
 I can't imagine having more traction than a good pedal and shoe combo already provide?
  • 1 0
 This was done in the 90s, right? Need to find the BikePro catalog...
  • 1 0
 Great until your shoes get permanently stuck to the fridge ????
  • 1 0
 If you hover your foot above them can you get the to spin like crazy?
  • 1 0
 This is nowhere in my field of pricing.
  • 2 1
 heel clicker
  • 1 1
 Looks like the pins are screwing these things together. Geezus.
  • 1 1
 These like 30" wheels will be the standard by 2025
  • 1 1
 Don’t drop your phone on the pedals
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