Mondraker, Corratec, Polygon - Eurobike 2014

Aug 27, 2014 at 15:50
by Mike Levy  
Mondraker Dune

Mondraker Dune RR

Best looking bike at the show? I think so. The Dune RR is actually one step down from the top of the line XR, but the KTM-esque colours of the RR seemed to pull my camera in its direction. The 160mm travel bike is assembled to be an enduro race machine, or at least a bike that you'd ride on some pretty rowdy terrain, and it features Mondraker's interesting Evo Forward geometry. What the hell is Forward geometry? Here's an explanation from our January 2014 review of last year's Dune XR: Anyone who has ridden both a pure cross-country bike with a long stem and more aggressive bike with a short stem on the same rowdy downhill can attest to which one made them fear for their life and which one had them looking for air time. But if using a short stem has that sort of effect, why not go to an even shorter stem? Well, it isn't quite that simple, because employing a 10mm long stem on a bike with standard geometry will only create one very awkward riding package that will feel too short in reach, as well as not place enough weight on the front wheel for proper handling when you're climbing and descending.

Bottom line: a 10mm stem like the one used on the Dune requires frame geometry designed around it. More specifically, a longer front center length to compensate for the length taken out of the stem, which is exactly what Mondraker have done with their Forward Geometry. Simply put, instead of Mondraker designing the bike around a 60mm stem, they instead added 50mm of that to the bike's front center length and then went with a minuscule 10mm stem to balance it out. The result is that the rider is in the same position, but the front wheel is further out in front of them and the bike's wheelbase is a touch longer.




Corratec

Corratec's Inside Link 10Hz Suspension

Here's one that's sure to stir the pot: Corratec has used what they're calling an "MDU bumper" at the forward shock mount of their 120mm travel Inside Link 10Hz lineup that is claimed to better isolate the rider from high frequency vibrations, which is where the design takes its name from. But isn't that the shock's job, you ask? That's the exact question that I posed to them, and their answer was that the bumper is essentially frictionless and able to react to small, high frequency impacts much faster than a shock can due to the friction in its seals. They went on to say that it takes a certain amount of force to overcome the friction and pressure within a shock, which results in the tiniest of delays before it begins to take in the impact, and that is exactly what their bumper system is designed to handle.

Corratec

The layout creates a floating front shock mount due to there being a bumper both ahead of and behind its mounting point, and the two bumper arrangement is said to allow riders to tune its on-trail feel by swapping in different density units - each bike will come with two low density and two high density bumpers, and they can be configured any way you'd like. Using the stiffer two will result in an extra 10mm of travel overall, while combining the softer bumpers will add up to 18 - 20mm of extra cush. It's also worth noting that it doesn't appear to require a proprietary shock. Corratec is well aware of the incoming "The 90s called and they want their rubber bumpers back" sort of comments, but believe in the system's benefits enough that they told us the 10Hz layout will likely find its way onto other suspension and hardtail platforms in their lineup.




Polygon N9

Polygon N9 XTR

Polygon's 160mm travel, 27.5'' wheeled N9 employs the Indonesian brand's dual link FS3 suspension layout that's an evolution of the FS2 system used on their 200mm travel downhill race bike, with two links that control a floating shock and a low center of gravity. The lower link no longer rotates concentrically around the bottom bracket like with FS2, which not only helps to shed weight, but also means that Polygon was able to shorten the chain stays far beyond what would have been possible with the older design. Both the upper and lower links, which are single-piece units rather than being bolted or bonded together, rotate in the same direction to compress the shock. As its name suggest's the N9 XTR is spec'd with Shimano's 11 speed XTR group.

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89 Comments
  • 33 2
 I don't quite understand all these shocks positioned in the perfect spot for grabbing mud. Maybe I'm missing something?
  • 24 2
 mondraker has a sexy little guard if you look closely
  • 12 1
 ohh! thats quite sexy!
  • 7 1
 Sex on toast, I run a 2014 Dune XR, that guard works a treat, still,get a bit of mud but very effective, awesome bike, but dang am loving that orange, it amazes people when I blitz up fire roads on a 10mm stem with 20mm stack and ride past em, looks from peeps are hilarious, it shouldn't work but it does and I love it, going down and cornering is fricken amazing.
  • 3 1
 that's exactly what i've been thinking, mount your expensive rear shock there so it can wear down like butter on warm toast, crud guard or not it will still be on the receiving end of more debris than more commonly mounted rear shocks.
  • 3 1
 Lower center of gravity means more gnar and handling for those lighter enduro bikes hitting the rough stuff! Starting to see a lot more suspension systems like that - GT Sensor being another one with a low suspension point.
  • 8 0
 Don't care for the hunchback top tube on the Mondraker, but would love to try all before my next purchase. Seems like the majority of bikes these days are rocker link, any thoughts on that vs. FSR or vp/ dw? Know of any links reviewing a side by side comparison?
  • 4 3
 The main difference is gonna be how the company wants that specific bike to act, how it goes through its travel and your personal riding style. I personally hate FSR, don't mind dw for the playfulness on the troy but love me some vpp.
  • 1 0
 Rocker links are only there to help play with the leverage ratio/shock position.... Most of them being single pivots (back wheel being directly attached to the frame by one piece on the linkage system ) you are looking at more brake and pedal feedback and a circular wheel-path compared to the FSRs, DWs, VPPs, Maestro...etc which are thru "four bars" and have basically an infinite number of configurations/leverage ratio, wheel paths... etc
  • 2 0
 Im not a fan of FSR either and tend to lean way toward VPP. With that being said, all three bikes LOOK beautiful.
  • 3 0
 Never tried VPP, but live my Maestro!!! My Maestro DH bike pedals more efficiently than my evo stumpy fsr trail bike.
  • 3 10
flag jclnv (Aug 27, 2014 at 22:06) (Below Threshold)
 FSR is VPP.
  • 2 1
 Not exactly. VPP has nearly parallel movement with rigid rear triangle, FSR is not.
  • 4 5
 Actually VPP simple means a manipulated axle path which FSR is. One piece rear triangle has nothing to do with it.
  • 2 1
 True, but they've got different manipulated axle paths.
  • 2 0
 You might want to read this very well done post.
  • 2 0
 If you're in for a read, this is a nice one!

members.home.nl/vd.kraats/ligfiets/pa/index.htm
  • 1 0
 @jissse
thanks a lot
  • 1 0
 Thanks guys for the help, I have limited options to try out, and honestly a "parking lot" test has never told me more than if the bike feels like it fits well. I am coming off an old 01 Enduro and an 06 Big Hit, current choices are Bronsan, Enduro 29 or 650 need to try both, and if YT would hurry up and sell here, would almost be willing to just take a chance on one.
  • 2 1
 "True, but they've got different manipulated axle paths."

Irrelevant. They could have similar axle paths by manipulating pivot locations. The bottomline is they, all dual links (Maestro, DW), counter rotating links (SC, Intense) and all 4 bars with Horst links have virtual pivots. As the rear axle location is a result of multiple pivot locations.

Anything else is just marketing.
  • 1 0
 So they ditched this forwards geometry thing then !
  • 1 0
 No big bird they did not.
  • 10 0
 Mmmm... That Polygon looks gorgeus.. A design that definitely make it leaves the pack behind. Keep up the good works guys..
  • 4 0
 Yeah, somehow in all of its complicatedness, it looks great. Smile its like a movie that its just epicly bad, its actually good
  • 4 0
 *cough* The Hangover *cough*
  • 3 0
 the front of it looks okay but the rear with those chain stays, Jesusssss......
  • 2 0
 Whatever you reckon, Batman.
  • 5 0
 the new dune looks dope though and im pretty sure thats a 30mm stem on it. the 10mm stems they used to use are so short their actually on top of the steerer tube.
  • 1 0
 ditto
  • 2 0
 XR models come with the 10mm stem and RR models come with 30mm I believe. Looks beautiful, love the colours.
  • 3 0
 Have both stems prefer the 10mm 30mm might look better but 10rips like you wouldn't believe, you must unlearn what you think you have learned padawans, game changer and so much fun. Zero loss suspension superior to dwl too, best system Ive ridden to date
  • 1 0
 Ya I always wondered how the zero loss suspension compared to the other dual links. Been wanting to get the new foxy carbon but I just read canyon is coming out with a carbon version of their spectral too so now I'm in a pickle.
enduro-mtb.com/en/exclusive-first-look-at-the-new-canyon-spectral-cf-2015
  • 1 0
 I love Zero suspension too, but here in Spain Mondraker has a terrible reputation (a well deserved one btw), so many of their Foxys have cracked at the bottom bracket and others have issues with the tolerances of the bearings.

Although, they have improved since the infamous Petrol and the first Foxy models, and I hope they continue in that direction.
  • 1 0
 I also prefer the 10mm stem on the Dune - it gives fast steering that works better with wide bars, and compensates nicely for the long wheelbase handling nature. but you have to pick a fork and stick with it, luckilly i picked the Pike. also - you must adjust your bar height with a saw which isn't great. the zero feels much like Giant's Maestro - on the Dune it's very active and super smooth on the rough stuff, not the most peddaly. i feel no pedal kickback, and susp stay pretty active under braking. you never ever leave the shock on 'descend' mode going uphill, but it reacts well to peddal strikes going downhill.
  • 1 1
 That bike does look really nice, but the frame looks like somebody took a trail bike and stretched it out, the frame looks much longer than other bikes.
  • 2 0
 You should read about forward geometry Noah.
  • 8 4
 Corratec looks like a cool/interesting idea, really hope you're not locked into a propietary shock... Mondraker looks awesome as usual, loving the "colorway"..
  • 11 0
 All the info is in the arrticle, if you read it.
  • 2 0
 I did.. that's why i echoed what article said...
  • 1 0
 @captainspaulding: Corratecs idea is a fantastic one. They are tackling what I've had as a gripe about air damper/spring systems for a long time. If someone could make a system that retrofitted older designs that would be awesome, but I don't see that happening without causing some alteration to the bikes geometry.
  • 1 0
 Not really a new idea though - rubber/urethane bushings are standard fare on automotive shock and strut applications and have been for decades.
  • 2 0
 @mrbrett: Agreed! However, the intent in those applications aren't purely related to suspension damping.

That said, I agree 100%! That's why I like what Corratec has done. I do a lot of custom work on older cars (old Volvo RWD Turbo stuff). For handling and suspension performance I prefer rubber bushings. A lot of guys like Poly and even solid stuff, but that's mostly because it lasts longer. I dislike it because if reduces the cars ability to handle smaller more chattery road conditions.

In other words, I like compliance. And I feel that's what the Corratec system adds to the equation.
  • 5 1
 Float X CTD without a shakira coating? Me want. It's on the Mondraker if you didn't see it.
  • 1 0
 If you buy FOX without shakira it means is not Factory series which means pure crap inside, no dampers or shit like that. If you want to buy Fox ALWAYS buy Factory series (with shakira) otherwise you are overspending for piece of shit. Buy a Pike, better choice (like 10 times better) or BOS.
  • 1 0
 Actually no, Factory is just a FIT with shakira and you overpaid for the shakira.
  • 1 0
 Or I could just buy a CCDB Inline.

And @MIkeloza29erPL, do you have any proof to support this smoke that you are trying blow up our ass's? And did you think that maybe the shakira coating is just a marketing gig to get more money out of us? Honestly, you can't really feel the difference between shakira and non-shakira rear shocks, which is what we're talking about not forks, unless you're a pro or really fast and have the skills to really use the shock and tell the difference.
  • 1 0
 Im very interested in the bumper system from Corratec!

My one concern is beings the bumper is compressing and creating extra travel, how long does the bumper last after repeated impact? Will they need replacing once a year or so?

Just a simple concern, but Im totally for the system.
I would love to see it implemented on a HT too making a smooth soft tail.
  • 1 0
 Such simple idea. It amazes me than nobody thought of that. You could actually make bumpers like these to add to any bike (if the bike has space for it, I assume they don't). I am all for rubber bumpers. Even if you have to change it frequently. Great idea! More companies should adopt it. I want it!
  • 2 0
 People have thought of it, it's pretty much the same scheme that Litespeed/Moots/Lynskey use on softails like the YBB, Unicoi, etc (thus the comment about the 90s technology coming back), except those designs use the flex of the Ti chainstays instead of an air shock. There's a little piece of elastomer between the seat tube and seatstays. I used to ride one, it definitely smooths out all the small noise coming up the seatpost. Gotta admit I'd be surprised if it made much difference in series with an air shock unless the stiction is really bad, but the concept makes sense and it's not like a couple elastomer bits add much weight.
  • 2 0
 10 hz is low frequency. 10 khz isn't even very high frequency.
  • 3 1
 To be honest it seems like the new XTR is simply an excuse for bike companies to start putting front derailleurs back on enduro bikes. Please stop this.
  • 2 0
 Is that the worst looking XTR crank yet, each year they seem to get uglier, late 2000s 8,9,10 looked great, Raceface SC or next pse at that price level
  • 2 0
 Yep. Worst design so far. Overall Shimano would loose this round completely if not Di2 for MTB.
  • 18 15
 That Polygon is still ugly.
  • 2 0
 Love seeing all this new stuff from Eurobike. The looks of that Polygon are actually growing on me!
  • 2 0
 All right, Polygon, u've made the worst looking enduro bike.
  • 1 0
 I run a 2013 Factor xr and for our country is perfect. Forward Geometry is the key! .
  • 1 0
 I'd say the strive is probably the best looking. Giant reign team is pretty close second or the dune in black.
  • 3 2
 With that wheelbase they should paint that Mondraker school bus yellow. Do people not turn their bikes anymore?
  • 1 0
 I have to agree (on paper). Need to ride one.

The medium Dune has a 1200mm wheelbase. That's huge.

So the wheelbase is not "lengthened a touch" it's lengthened to the same amount the stem length is decreased.

i can totally understand how they would kill it going down but cannot wrap my head around how they would be a good climbing bike. I have to ride one of these things.
  • 2 0
 Mondraker; THE LATEST BRAND WHICH USES FORMULA BREAKS BOOOOOOM
  • 1 0
 wow that mondraker! i like the corratec suspension design, but i'd be waiting for revision 3 before seriously considering it
  • 1 0
 the dune looks like it was designed after fox fork lol, anyways amazing as it is.
  • 1 0
 What is it with tiny tiny chainrings on a 1x ? No one got any legs anymore?
  • 7 6
 Loving that Polygon N9. Looks like the future. Sick!
  • 3 1
 Looks weird, but in a good way IMO. I kinda like it if only I could demo it.
  • 3 0
 We will be looking at doing a more extensive demo tour in 2015. Currently we have been focused on the Pacific North West as it is close to home.
  • 3 1
 disc is on backwards.
  • 3 2
 damn mondraker looks sexy
  • 1 0
 non-kashima float X on the mondraker? Yes please.
  • 1 0
 Is the Mondraker geo a Gary Fisher geo remake, or am I having flash backs?
  • 1 0
 I just dropped a dune when I saw that dune.
  • 1 0
 Oh my god, giant cheeto on wheels.
  • 1 0
 Yo BB, you're HIGH!
  • 3 2
 Jesus I want that Dune!
  • 2 3
 Thats my fav on this page as well
  • 1 4
 The Polygon N9 XTR looks like it belongs on the Starship Enterprise, really how much of a difference does a set-up like that make??
  • 1 2
 Gets you roots.
  • 4 5
 I miss Elastomer Shocks... said now one ever.
  • 2 4
 rubber bumpers on a hardtail?
  • 9 2
 To create a "softtail".
  • 1 0
 Google Moots YBB or Litespeed Unicoi. Definitely soaks up trail noise (those frames were flexy as shit though), but considering the stiction on most air shocks really isn't that bad I'd be surprised if the bumpers made a difference here. They're not really absorbing any forces that your tires don't already, unless you're running high pressures.
  • 1 3
 Instant Poly-*beurk*
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