The recent news of Santa Cruz's
new Chameleon was a reminder that modern hardtails have a lot going for them. There are others, of course, from the Kona Honzo, Chromag's entire lineup, and bikes from Stanton, DMR, and a bunch of other brands who offer forward-thinking frames with a so-called backward-thinking lack of rear suspension. But, for a lot of us, no rear shock means nearly no interest in these days of full-suspension rigs that are somehow lighter than their simpler counterparts that are arguably more difficult to ride.
Brad Walton photoI don't think it's our fault that hardtails sit in the shadows for a lot of riders. I mean, just look at how freaking awesome most of today's full-suspension bikes are and what they let us do. Hell, some of them even pedal nearly as well as a bike with a welded rear-end rather than one that's designed to move up and down with the terrain, which is pretty crazy when you consider how bad some full-suspension bikes were fifteen or more years ago. I also have zero issue admitting that the technology involved in a modern, high-performance dual-suspension bike is a big reason why I'm so into this sport; chakras and flow and other deep, meaningful things aside, of course. I'm pretty sure that my chakra got beat to shit during the last time I spent a few months on a hardtail, as fun as it was most of the time.
Despite that beat down, I know that I'd have just as much fun on a reasonably priced hardtail as I do on a carbon fiber super-bike that rides like it's from the future. I'm sure of this because I've spent many years getting my ass handed to me on a hardtail, just like a lot of us have, and those were some of the best times that I've ever had on a bike. However, if you told me that I had to choose between a nice full-suspension bike and a nice hardtail, I know damn well that I'm going to grab the one with all the pivots and complication and a shock bolted to the back of it.
Brad Walton photoSure, I like the completely false fantasy of me being the tough guy aboard a hardtail who creams everyone on every descent, no matter how rowdy it is, or has no problem with my worn out body after riding a hardtail on some sort of silly all-day epic that was only fun for the first six hours and not the last six hours. But that's not me. Technology has spoiled me for good and, sadly, I seriously doubt that I'd own a hardtail if my stable consisted of a single bike.
But what about you? Do you plan on forsaking pivots and shocks and leverage curves for a leaner, more punishing yet possibly more rewarding steed? Or does the idea of riding a hardtail appeal to you about as much as trading your fancy full-suspension bike in for a unicycle?
don't make up philosophies why your choice is superior
Having a hardtail as your only bike is rarely a choice. It's a matter of budget
monogamy is normal?
"initially started and stayed with hardtails because of budget" = "Having a hardtail as your only bike is rarely a choice. It's a matter of budget".
it's also pretty mental that you can get a full squish which is spec'd better than a santa cruz chameleon, and is still cheaper.
And if I can get into purism and gear fundamentalism I can add that putting a 140 fork or bigger on a HT is no real HT riding. If you want pure HT action, get a 100mm fork, set is super hard and try to ride sketchiest sht you can imagine. If I had gravel paved, machine dug trail center nearby I'd surely ride a HT for most of the time in the woods. But I ride in what is a one big rock garden and have a sweet tooth for sketchy shit and difficult singletrack climbs crying for trials skills. Also, pretty much every single climb or even climb-ish Strava segment on my trails had 140-160 fullies ruling the top 10. That says something... it unfolds the hipster gene.
I've just no idea how all the full sus brigade can't understand that for some horses, there's different courses!!
How very dare they have fun on a bike with no rear suspension!!
OK wait, they pump track better. You want to keep it real I get it. Maybe a throwback ride or two, or if you commute or youre a bad ass DJ guy.
The one bike sweet spot for my riding style and terrain preferences would be a short travel 29er (The Following, GG Trail Pistol, Smuggler, Process 111, etc. - so many nice ones out there now).
"The truth they don't want you to know, aside of few spots hardtails are actually faster. A group of scientists who do not wish to disclose their name believe that we've been all lied to - full suspension bikea feel faster but they aren't, says dr Conrad Senicky of university of Eastern Massachusetts" but the reality is that hardtails ride faster because they bounce up more so they skip obstacles while fs bikes tide through all of them - being in the air is faster because we skip rolling resistance says prof. Gobi Itsva of Gandahars Institute for modern science. Wheels on the ground are Slow wheels. John Ferret, ex mechanic of the World Champion in off piste downhill says that top DH racers ride fake shocks. They have a button instead of rebound adjuster, they ress it and the rear becomes rigid. They actually ride hardtails and their forks use only 160mm of travel - I was fired because I was overheard talking to a journalist anout it"
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Only bike? Who are we kidding.
ps: did i mention my HT was made in the USA, when they still made bikes? haha
I know where my bread is battered .
I spent 2 decades riding only a HT. FS bikes allow the rider to make mistakes, to choose worse lines, to not use their body and legs for shock absorption appropriately,etc. without being so harshly punished for it. I feel like i was forced to develop my technique and riding style to compensate. When i finally got a nice FS (a couple years ago) it wasn't some huge revelation for me. My times were actually slower on all but the most rugged trails. Im sure the worse pedaling efficiency played a large part in that. The FS was particularly helpful with jumps though. Not having to worry as much about casing a gap, or rugged landings, was pretty great.
Its ridiculous to say that one is better than the other, they are tools. You pick the best one for the job, and the one you are most skilled at using. Ive had people riding very nice FS bikes on fast rugged trails, stop and talk to me like i just pulled off some magic by riding it on a HT. But, its also not unheard of for me to do the same thing towards people when they destroy me on a trail. The bikes dont ride themselves yet, and for now, the riders skill/fitness is still much more important than FS/HT on all but the extreme ends of the spectrum.
The article was decent, the poll is dumb. It doesn't ask the right question, and it creates some fantasy scenario, in order to perpetuate the worst of the FS vs HT debate. I love mountain biking, and i want to be a better rider. For me, not only does that mean riding more, but it also means learning about how my bike and its parts work, and developing better technique by watching other people ride, talking to other riders about it, and reading articles/books about those sort of things. Why not promote THAT?
But for multi day riding abroad or long demanding rides I prefer my fs trailbike (alu Turner Flux 27,5)
N+1
The conundrum we fall in as riders today is that the full suspension designs are extremely efficient. Every manufacturer makes a full suspension bike that rips in any genre of bike you could want. Bike #1 for me is the SANTA CRUZ HIGHTOWER in 650b PLUS form.
Just my thoughts,
Cheers
Having said that, I'm selling it and switching to a full suspension (Process 111) this year. I would keep both but simply don't have the room in my apartment. I might switch back in a year or two.
( I am looking to buy a new full suspension by the end of this season though... Lol )
Never go full hardtail.
So no, it is not a budget thing. The fully is here but I'm riding the hardtail. Actually I'm planning to get that titanium Kingdom Vendetta 2 LS and assemble it with the best parts from both bikes. And the frame sells for as much as a decent aluminium full suspension frame. I love that geometry(low top tube etc) and I love the simplicity. That said, before this I had a crush on that Alutec ICB2.0 frame (currently for sale at a discount) which also had the toptube sorted.
So no it is not for budget reasons nor because I consider myselr an amazing rider. But a hardtail like that just suits me so nicely.
As for the unicycle, no I don't think it has a place in this discussion. Riding a (mountain) unicycle is very different to riding an mtb. So if you like riding mountainbikes, the unicycle won't make a good replacement.
Switched to a Santa Cruz Nomad and never going back again. The full suspension has allowed me to ride more of the trails I usually ride since it has saved me from the back and waist pains.
The only reason I would switch back to a hardtail is that if I lay back on the time I dedicate to the sport and it will not make sense to keep a high maintenance bike (fs) in relation to a less costly one (ht).
And the second I get a job post-graduation, I'm buying a Meta.
Totally agree with sentiments above, its all about $$. My age has increased, but so has my bank account. FS is a no-brainer if you can afford it.
A bit like this one...
instagram.com/p/BR1EyR8FrFM
Oh wait...this is mine
To me, there's nothing more fun or more beautiful than a nice steel frame.
Build her up.
Run your fingers down the top-tube, ahhhhh, silky. Look at those lines, sexy! Now, rip it into that corner, over that gap,stop giggling, and never look back.
Bliss.
No offense taken it's just the diff between roadie xc cycling masochism and other kinds of fun bike riding, like you say to each their own
Budget is likely often a big a factor with hardtails.
DH Kona Operator Supreme 26"
2009 FS Stumpjumper Pro 26"
2015 HT Scott Scale 27.5
All tricked the eff out with Deity components. Guess which bike I ride the most?