Pinkbike Poll - How Much Did You Spend on Your Bike?

Nov 24, 2017 at 21:22
by Mike Levy  
If you knew jack about mountain biking and happened to stumble upon Pinkbike during your travels on the line, you'd be forgiven for thinking that most riders must own a rig that hovers around the $7,000 USD mark. After all, that's what's often being reviewed, shown, or featured here and on most other like-minded websites. Now, we all know that most riders don't have a $7,000 bike in their garage, but much like how I'm not that interested in reading about used Corollas or Civics that, while being more in my price range than a new Ford GT or 911 GT2 RS, are both about as interesting as, well, you'd expect a Corollas or Civic to be.


Patrol 672
RC recently reviewed the $2,899 USD Patrol 672, his first in a series of reasonably priced bike reviews. Expect more to come.


That's not to say that you won't see many more reviews of price-conscious bikes in 2018 - we'll be focusing more of our time on mid-range bikes in the coming year - just that, if you're like me, you'd rather read about things you probably can't have instead of those that you could go out and get your dirty paws on without first having to rob a bank or three. Yes, I know that I'll never even be able to afford an oil change on that GT2 RS, but I sure as hell want to read every single road test, watch every single YouTuber's vlog about it, and spend hours agonizing over what color I want the seat stitching to be on the Porsche car configurator. Keep in mind that there's a better chance of David Icke being spot-on about the lizard people than me ever even sitting in a GT2 RS, let alone being lucky enough to crash one that I actually own. Burnt orange stitching, by the way.

It's fun to fantasize, isn't it? But let's get back to real life, which is where the reasonably priced and reasonable performing Corollas or Civics of our two-wheeled world reside. If I had to take a stab at a number, I'd guess that the average retail price of new, performance mountain bikes being purchased these days sits around $3,000 USD, or maybe a bit less. Those who've pieced their bikes together one part at a time likely spent a fair bit more for their custom creation, however, while most riders who went the used route surely spent less.

All of the above is pure guessing on my part, of course, but I'm hoping that you, dear Pinkbiker, will fill me in on how much hard-earned money you've spent on your baby. Am I out to lunch?


If you bought your bike new, how much did you spend on it?


If you bought your bike used, how much did you spend on it?


If your bike is custom built, how much did you spend?




216 Comments

  • + 367
 Hopefully the big, meaty section of the bell curve being in the $2,000-$4,000 range will persuade bike companies to send you builds that cost that much, and will persuade Pinkbike to purposefully review more bikes in that range. Your $10,000 bike reviews are nice to look at, but aren't the most useful information you OR the bike companies could be providing to most readers. Review the price segment that gets purchased most often!

Repeat after me: "Thanks Santa Cruz / Trek / Specialized / Yeti / etc. for offering to send us a bike to review! Would you mind sending one of your builds in the $2000-$4000 MSRP range? That's where most of our readers are purchasing. Thanks again."
  • + 42
 Amen!! Listen up PB! Smile
  • + 115
 Yeti has a bike in the 2-4k range?
  • + 13
 You are kind of assuming a large bicycle company cannot conduct a basic analysis of sales..... If $2000-$4000 bikes sell in higher numbers / make the most profit thats what they will push, PB is a huge online MTB site / community but will still miss a HUGE number of customers out.

Of course it may be like the car companies, people lust after flagship models but most buy middle of the road.
  • + 18
 Although I agree somewhat, the frame is usually the same, just different components. So if a bike is shit with XTR and Carbon wheels, it probably won’t be much better with SLX. But yes, test the Alu version of available.
  • - 11
flag BartDM (Dec 1, 2017 at 11:26) (Below Threshold)
 "Thanks Santa Cruz / Trek / Specialized / Yeti / etc. for offering to send us a bike to review! Would you mind sending one of your builds in the $2000-$4000 MSRP range? That's where most of our readers are purchasing. Thanks again."
  • + 82
 I'd personally rather read about a bike with top shelf parts. I want to know the full potential of the chassis. I don't particularly care to read about a crummy dropper that failed during the test or how the lack of suspension adjustment led to a poor experience of what might otherwise be a fantastic bike. I know there are people looking for those reviews, and I do see bikes like that reviewed which is fine. But overall, as a rule of thumb, the better builds (maybe not top tier 10k but something decent) gives the best impression of the bike. I don't think 2k is enough to spend on a full suss to have something functioning to full potential. (looking at the results of the poll many people agree) I can read reviews of parts and make budget considerations on my own. This, is precisely why the manufacturers send those bikes. Because the quality of the parts has a lot to do with how the bike performs and its not quite fair to receive a lackluster review due to a budget build. With all of that said .... most reviews are for entertainment purposes. Nice bikes are fun to look at, fun to read about. It's really that simple.
  • + 117
 all you hypocrites. "Hi Pinkbike User, this is Ford. We would like to send you our new 2018 MUSTANG SHELBY GT350 to drive all summer and test for us."
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"Hi Ford, thanks but no thanks. Can you send us the v6 eco one instead? Or maybe an old Ford Focus? Do you have any minivans?"
  • + 9
 Sram eagle and enve rims add like 3k to the msrp of these bicycles. Most people just aren't going to spend that sort of money on anything but a frameset because there's not that big of a difference between a 23 pound bike and a 26 pound bike.
  • + 14
 I work in a mountain bike shop...and despite what many people on this thread are writing, we sell way more high-end bikes (5-9K) than less-expensive models. People want Pivots and Yetis...Treks not so much. This despite the fact that their Remedy and Fuel EX lineups are pretty sweet this year, with 1x wide range gearing, boost spacing, dropper posts and decent brakes, wheels and tires.
  • + 3
 @ltj999: You say funny things
  • + 3
 @ltj999: got offered an ex demo Yeti with warranty for 4,200USD. Bought a higher spec'd AL Canyon fot $3,100... Yetis while great bikes are aimed squarely at the dentists in our midst.
  • + 5
 @hamncheez: Nailed it.
  • + 41
 @pancakeflatted: I too work in a bike shop, a Giant store to be exact. There are three basic types of customers in my shop: Commuters, people who ride for fitness, and "enthusiasts", people like you and I. Most commuters buy bikes between $500-800ish (Canadian). The fitness people tend to buy bikes within that range or a little bit over. The enthusiasts, both on the road and mountain side, they generally spend between $1,500 at the low end to ~$4,500 on the high end. Our best selling bikes this year on the road and mountain sides respectively went for $2,600 and $2,900. Yes, we had a few people buy complete bikes with carbon everything and full Dura-Ace/Eagle/XTR, but those guys are the outliers. The vast majority of people who bike because they love biking are spending between $2-4,000.

And in reality, you'll have just as much fun on a $3,000 bike as you will on a $10,000. That $3,000 "sweet spot" will get a full sus bike with a good quality aluminum frame, a dropper post, serviceable wheels, good quality suspension components, and full SLX. No one except high level racers needs anything fancier than that.
  • + 8
 I want to see these companies offer a nice frame, nice fork and shock, nice wheels, and everything else cheap. I'm talking slx group with alloy bars and carbon wheels or high end alloy.
  • + 6
 @DDB1: Exactly. Although, I do own a SB5.5 soooooooo, does that mean I have to go to dental school now? Probably...
  • + 7
 @mnorris122: don't get me wrong, we sell lots kids bikes and $400-800 USD commuters too. But as far as mountain bikes are concerned (our specialty) we just don't sell that many 3K bikes by comparison to the higher-end models. We literally could not keep the Pivot Mach 5.5 in stock. We'd sometimes sell them before they even made it out of the box--and they ain't cheap.

I don't agree with your assertion though that people don't need a bike that's more than 3K or that there's no more fun factor in a more expensive bike. In my experience there are lots of people that appreciate well designed, well built machines and who ride them to their fullest capacity. There's a world of difference between a fox factory 36 and a performance 34.
  • + 2
 pinkbike isn't about to dictate to their advertisers which bikes are going to get reviewed. they will review whatever bike their masters send, and they'll give it a great review.no matter what they actually think about it. and if the masters send an advertisement video with it, it'll be the VOD. that seems to be how it works.
  • + 2
 YES. 2000-4000 (arguably 2500-4500) is the sweet spot fr performance/value right now IMO
  • + 9
 @gumbytex - The poll is meaningless in that regard - the bike companies already know that the halo unobtainium models are not the volume leaders. But they have great margins, create a nice halo effect, and end up looking great in tests (because as much as everyone discounts the whole high-spec thing in their test reports, the glowing review still makes people more included to go for the mainstream spec). And them sending high-end models to the tests, and having them available at the stores, creates an anchoring effect where just by being exposed to the high cost of gucci bikes, consumers (that's what we are to them) find the mainstream $4k bikes much more reasonable. Ask a non-MTB colleague what they think a mountain costs for a reality check on that.
  • + 12
 @pancakeflatted: This. Don't forgot how many people are out there who even if they don't ride the bike to "its fullest potential" they LOVE the experience of riding a really well built machine. Plus if your a grown ass adult with a decent paying job, and this is your ONE hobby, its not all that unreasonable to drop some money on it after saving up a bunch or building up to a high end bike over time (i.e. buying less expensive bikes, selling, and putting the profits to something higher up on the foodchain over multiple iterations).
  • - 12
flag Biocoug1 (Dec 1, 2017 at 12:57) (Below Threshold)
 @mnorris122: There should be a 4th category. Doctors, Dentist and Lawyers. Or in my opinion get it because you can afford but not know how to ride it kind of people.
  • + 2
 All this information is available in the buy/sell ads data....this is to access profit margin vs. cost. Manufacturers will simply reduce spec. to hit price point.
  • + 12
 I know that we think we represent all mountain bikers but the PB population is probably not representative of all or even most riders. We are an unusually educated (about bikes), passionate, vocal, and miserly bunch. And we who think we have more influence on the industry than we do when shouting into the comment board void.
  • + 3
 @pancakeflatted: Why are people not stoked on the treks?
  • + 4
 @freestyIAM: Just want to point out to those saying "review the bikes PB readers buy" at the time of my writing this there 30% more people having spent 5-10k (on a custom bike - evenly matched on new purchase) than there are having spent 2-4k.... Just food for thought.
  • + 1
 @redfish955: actually it's a three pound difference. Just checked with my calculator. Smile
  • + 6
 @Biocoug1: right because smart people who devoted themselves to years of study obviously can't ride right? You are clueless. Judge someone's riding after you see them ride. BTW: I am neither a doctor, dentist, or lawyer.
  • + 2
 @drevisuals: Well...the ones who buy them are, and we DO sell them, they just don't move as quickly as pivots or yetis. FWIW (maybe not much) I personally think they're a great value, but I also feel like the knockblock system wasn't that great of an idea. Limiting the wheels front turning radius, even for the sake of main triangle stiffness, makes the bike almost unthinkable as a purchase and unusable on technical, steep and narrow switchbacks.
  • + 3
 @Biocoug1 : I know some doctors that can shred pretty effin hard...and sew you up after a crash!
  • + 5
 @mnorris122: The bike industry, and our economy as a whole, would founder tomorrow if people bought what they "need". For better or worse, our economy functions on selling people what they "want".
  • + 2
 @hamncheez:

Not really acturate.....

A more accurate comparinson is more like " we have a Ford mustang Shelby GT500 edition or a stock mustang V6 you can test drive "
  • + 5
 @pancakeflatted: Id rather thrash my 3 grand alu bike then a 10 grand carbon bike that Id be afaid to scratch or crack. Thats just your average joe talking though
  • + 2
 I read a good article about this that I can't find, I believe it was in mountain bike action. Basically bike companies supply their highest end models, because if they get a good review people like me are likely to buy the lower end version. Now if they provided a mid range bike, and it got a less than stellar review, possibly due to cheaper or heavier parts, nobody is going to then spend 10k on the higher end model. And let's face it, even the best reviewers have some bias because they've always gotten to ride the best of the best.
  • + 1
 @drevisuals: I dont know for sure , but i feel its because Trek is less exotic now? Perhaps lost its boutiq ethos ?
  • + 1
 they build these bikes. they're just not reviewed. you read the review of the mega dope version and you buy the version with all the cool stuff removed, except for the frame geometry. ;-)
  • + 1
 is like asking a car magazine only to review toyota yaris and vw golf!! every review is usefull. high end and more affordable bikes. then is just a matter of how much money you can afford to spend. You can start low and as you progress you can update.ok some bike makers is a bit on the pricey side but anyone can choose from a vast variety . no problem. In the average rider a 4000 with a 10000 built has no difference. except brakes . invest in a good pair of brakes!
  • + 1
 @DARKSTAR63: I will eventually top spec the bike anyway, so yes, I want to know what is the best money can buy.
  • + 2
 @ltj999: When i build my bike, it is like when I use to buy a computer... buy more than i need. This way I can grow into the bike. Yes sometimes, its big money.
  • + 4
 @DDB1: I own a 2017 Yeti SB5 and I don’t even have a college degree. I also know about 7 other people who own and ride Yeti’s. Guess what? None of them are doctors or dentists. Sheesh.
  • + 0
 @mnorris122: I'm not sure I agree with your last line. I think your post misses one important factor, the region you ride. I consider myself an advance intermediate rider (which might be modest, but I live on the north shore and the level of riding here is... well, unique). I ride a GX drivetrain, but have Saint brakes because I need the stopping power. I had SLX and although they are a quality brake, they don't hold up and manage the heat like My Saints do. I think throwing out a blanket statement like... SLX is good enought for everyone but top level racers is a bit too general IMO. (and if you work at a shop, you might not want to say that too loud around your boss)
  • + 0
 @redfish955: even with a cheaper drive train spec you are still going to be looking at a $4k bike at least.
  • + 1
 @trauty: agree. Trek doesn’t have a boutique brand stigma. It’s more of a big box brand. I feel like it’s not the trek brand but the bontrager specs that bring their bikes down. It’s the same thing with specialized and giant using house components but theirs aren’t as flashy with a big white brand name on it.
  • + 1
 @redfish955: sure there is.. It means I beat 90% of all my ride buddies to the top of the trail.. That's worth the price of admission in my books! Lol
  • + 1
 @pancakeflatted: tons of fuel ex's go out the door at our local shop.. Mostly the 9.8 and 9.9 builds.. Also a to of frame sets..
  • + 1
 @mnorris122: I'm an outlier then... But not a racer by any stretch... Just love running kick arse shit that aids in my stoke level! Ride feel is another huge aspect for me
  • + 2
 @pancakeflatted: Agreed.. I love having ultra reliable ultra smooth top shelf components... Top shelf suspension is also a must on my rigs... Once u get used to something of upper tier quality there's no going back.. Its one of the reasons i drive a shittier vehicle... Priorities people!
  • + 2
 @ltj999: u nailed it brother! I'm a grown ass man with a decent job.. Most of my co workers have boats, trailers, snow mobiles and some even a muscle car in the garage.. I have none of that stuff... Having a 9k bike in my stable is no biggie in comparison... One true hobby is right!
  • + 1
 @drevisuals: I am.. Copped a fuel ex 9.9 frame set and couldn't be happier.. REAKTIV is sick AF and the machine rips! So does the remedy for that matter..
  • + 1
 @mnorris122: I would say this is not true. I ride a session 9.9 with carbon wheels, and I rode a low end Demo 8 this year a crankworx, it was heavy and slow at responding to my input. Not a big fan. I also rode a low end trek slash and a S-works enduro, BIG difference with better components.
  • + 2
 @hamncheez: Nice lol
  • + 3
 @DARKSTAR63: good point no one watched top gear because of the every day car all people drive we watch it for the epic shit we dream of having its motivation for me to work harder to get a sicker bike
  • + 1
 The real would difference between something like a Rocky Mountain Altitude Aluminium 30 for $3000 and a Rocky Mountain Altitude Carbon 90 fpr $7000 is not that much. aka same frame in alloy with lower but still solid components (yari fork vs karshima 36 etc). At the end of you ride are you actually going to be more stoked because of your flashier spec, I seriously doubt it. A lot of the difference is really just marketing and consumerism
  • + 2
 Herin lyes the problem. Most people here think they are the only ones who read reviews and buy bikes. You my friends are very wrong. Most people who buy bikes spend less than a grand and have never visited a bike website...... On the other hand. The amount of people who come into the shop and ask for the best bike money can buy would blow your mind. They read all the reviews but never look at your comments. You say bunch of Dentists. Again you judge so quickly. Seriously how many dentists Mtn bike? Some of these people are just well off. Most busted theirs asses and got good jobs so they can buy whatever they want. Many don’t have kids and have cash to burn. Many don’t have your expensive bad habits, aside from bikes. Then there’s the guys like me that sacrifice pretty much everything else in life to ride really nice bikes because they are in my opinion much nicer than cheap ones. There are exceptions though. My beater hardtail cost me only $250. My bikes are the most valuable things I own. No question about it. Do I really need the parts I choose for my bikes? In my mind absolutely. I can easily tell the difference between drivtrains, suspension, droppers, Brakes, most Wheels, handle bars. Tires, saddles, grips. If you can’t you need to ride more bikes. I like what I like and the cheap shit just doesn’t cut it most of the time. Granted I don’t just buy the most expensive parts or the lightest. Feel and reliability are my first priorities.
Testing the high end model. Leaves no excuses for parts being the reason a bike doesn’t perform well. Which should make evaluating a frame easier. When expensive parts don’t perform its pretty obvious and most testers will comment about it. Just my two cents. Not that it really matters to the people that fund this industry.
  • + 1
 @applepie: u kidding me? Of course I'm more stoked because of flashier spec.. Be on it long enough and go back to just decent components and it is greatly noticed.. Weight differences add up to over the course of epic long rides.
  • + 2
 @Bikethrasher: yep! Most of the people I know that splashed out on uber nice rides are typically blue collar but still make a very good living.. They gave up other things in life to have the 8k plus ride!
  • + 1
 Yes Amen, Amen my dude!
  • + 2
 So there seems to be great reasons to test the highest end bikes as well as lower end speced bikes. Seems like it would be cool to have the highest and lowest end models tested and compared. This seems like it would provide some good insight into just how much the frame leans on the components. Just a thought.
  • + 1
 @pancakeflatted: agreed, I see a lot of top end wonder bikes out there, definitely a market for them
  • + 2
 Who picks up a car magazine to look at a Toyota corolla? I's the same for bikes, this is america where you can still work hard and get the things you want. I make 35k a year but my bike costs 8,000. I dont wan't to look at lame 3,000-4,000 dollar bikes because it gives me no drive to work harder and get something truly awesome i can be proud of. I can't stand when people ask these website's or magazines to feature lame, low specced bikes with no drool worthy parts at all. Show me yeti's, Santa Cruz's, Pivot's...only the best bikes please
  • + 0
 @hamncheez: New Ford Focus RS, in Europe is a better buy than the Mustang, and waaay cheaper.
  • - 1
 @pancakeflatted: More than half the responses to the 'new bike' poll so far are for bikes below $4k, despite the fact that the poll is on Pinkbike (which in itself is catering to a subset of riders who are likely to spend more than Joe average, because we are actually interested enough in mountain bikes to read about them as well as ride them). But no, you work in a bike shop therefore over 7000 people are wrong.
  • + 2
 What people are not quite looking at is the whole picture, while the 3000-3500 range contains the most people, to truly get an understanding you should be looking at it as an entire chart. When you consider how many people spend ~$3,000 vs. the amount of people who spend above $3,500, you will see that the true majority of people spend well over $3,500 on a bike. The amount of people in the 3-3,500 range and below is 4,460. The amount of people above that range is 7,397. This is what advertisers and bike companies will be looking at. The same general idea applies on the used chart and the custom chart as well.
  • + 1
 Santacruz for 2-4k? New?
  • + 2
 @tkroz: It would be cool to see what would happen if PB would review a top spec and lower spec of the same bike on the same review to hear what they say is the difference between the same bike on different builds
  • + 2
 @robG413: I dunno man, when top gear does specials with everyday cars its pretty hilarious stuff!
  • + 1
 Good point @tigerteeuwen:
  • + 1
 @dsut4392: Never said everyone is wrong. Just offering up anecdotal experience. Take it for what it is and get a grip.
  • + 122
 Missing an option for "More than I told my wife what it was worth."
  • + 6
 THE-EDJ, defenetly don't tell her you remortgage the House. Wink
  • + 16
 Last time I ordered a frame I told her about it and it showed up the next day. She realized I had already ordered it before talking to her ????
  • + 2
 not necessary, that's a given with any bike
  • + 15
 Is why custom build is so popular. Buy the parts slowly over 6 - 12 months so the wives don’t notice the big hit on the credit card all at once.
  • + 3
 Tell her your getting a new credit card for a 10k bike, show her the bike your getting, and then show up with the 3k build you planned on getting the entire time.
  • + 11
 having to hide toys from wife...sad. haha
  • + 8
 You just have to buy black bikes, she'll never notice the difference between the new one and the old one
  • + 3
 I work at a shop and a customer wanted to pay over 5 months during the off season and pick up his new bike in spring only so that his wife didn't notice it lol Glad for him that his plan worked out.
  • + 5
 I buy a new bike every year with a changeover cost of less than a grand. I cut my own hair. My wife spends a grand annually on her hair. We are even. No need to hide anything, just look at parity.
  • + 2
 For the record, I ride a 3 year base model bike that I bought second hand.
  • + 1
 @iamamodel: This. Still some guilt on my end when my new bike shows up. haha.
  • + 2
 @madbob9: my boss literally bought a new $70k truck in the exact same colour as rhe last one and she didn't notice for about 6 months
  • + 1
 @BTKMADDOG: wow if a guy remortgaged for a bike there's bigger issues at play.. Haha
  • + 1
 @fullbug: no shit.. I do embellish costs a bit at times but not blatant hiding of toys..
  • + 1
 @madbob9: all my shits black.. She always notices.. Even my audiophile equipment is black..
  • + 1
 @madbob9: so true
  • + 75
 What bike?
Oh, that bike.
I’ve had that forever.
Just put new grips on it
  • + 38
 I love how when you do pit bike checks everyone is like "OMG HOLY SHIT A NEW MODEL I NEED IT NOW AHHHHHHHH" and then when its reviewed its "Oh thanks Pinkbike, another dentist special, can you please review a 26'er from 2011 please"
  • + 22
 Cue the 'dentist' and 'bikes are too expensive' comments below. Yes, I know this comment will be downvoted into oblivion. Haha.
  • + 5
 @bman

Time to check your teeth.... Smile ))))))
  • + 5
 Cant put a price on happiness though, which a bike gives you.
  • + 7
 If was was a dentist, I would buy a badass bike!
  • + 1
 @jdtheconfessor1: I'm a mechanic.. Just bought a bad ass bike!
  • + 21
 Bike ? Singular?
  • + 11
 Haha. I had this issue too. I picked the highest price I paid for each question.
  • + 15
 I don’t think it’s dentists in the Seattle area with the new bike on the new rig with new clothes talking smack in the duthie parking lot. It’s the younger computer folks that have a large expendable income. There seem to be a lot of them. So maybe that is there target audience. Is it better to sell less super bikes or more close to super bikes? We’ve done the same thing with our farm products.
  • + 1
 +1 for the Duthie love
  • + 4
 Well, yes, there aren't like 100,000 dentists here like there are techies (or whatever the number is this week). I have always enjoyed the ones that buy way too much bike then discover they're not into it and Craiglist them 8 months later. In fact, I need to head over to CL right now.
#DuthieLove
  • + 1
 Ya it is like that in Whistler as well, every kid is on 10K bikes. I would say most of the bikes in Whistler are b/w 6-10k. There are for sure cheaper bikes, but you sure do see lots of bike that are 10K plus
  • + 14
 Well, the Loch Ness monster showed up at my door and I was like,"Get out of here Loch Ness monster!" And he was like,"But I have this bike for sale". I said,"Oh... That's kinda nice. How much?". He looked around and said,"Oh, about tree fitty". So I paid tree Fitty...
  • - 1
 ^^^ comment win sir! Haha!
  • + 13
 You should also ask how much we have put in since buying the bike. I seem to be buying constantly new stuff for it.
  • + 1
 Yeah same, the only stocks parts on my bike are the frame, headset, bottom bracket, and parts of the drive train.
  • + 1
 And that was the justification for me spending a ridiculous amount on my initial build (and buying just what I wanted) - I bought a previous bike stock and probably ended up spending the same amount again on upgrades! It did teach me a good lesson about what effect each upgrade had though, so I don't skimp on wheels or suspension and think it doesn't make a difference any more...
  • + 7
 I'd be curious to know if the custom bike build is supposed to work out cheaper or more expensive for most people. My experience is that it works out way cheaper but I built up my Transition Patrol Carbon over the winter. 3 months of sourcing lots of sale parts, dealer take offs and new stuff on the PB buy/sell and it worked out to be $2k cheaper than an equiv. spec. Patrol Carbon 2 in Canada. Did the same for my wife's bike and it was also much cheaper. Fun times if you are into wasting time with research and wrenching.
  • + 4
 Same here, my Knolly off the shelf would be over 7k easy... all in hunting scrounging and digging has me at 4500. Now I'm helping my sister build one the same way. Paying retail is just a dumb idea unless your N+1 equation starts with a zero, then I guess you're paying for the speed of getting something to ride right away.
  • + 3
 Cheaper, if you know your prices and wait for sales. It also allows me to put the money exactly where I'd like to, usually frame/shock, fork, wheels.
  • + 2
 As the other said, for the pattience one, bargain hunter, always cheaper and spending on what you want. That saud, There are lots of folks spendind tons of money on custom build color matching shit... for a bike of the day over at that other website....
  • + 1
 Wait until the final 4, nfl playoffs, or ect. and buy stuff about to end on ebay. That is how you build a 5k bike for under a grand.
  • + 2
 @CONomad: you’re a good brother. High fives for you!
  • + 6
 What was my bikes MSRP and what I paid are two different things, and I feel like that isn't uncommon. If manufacturers are looking at these polls to determine where to price their bikes, for example, I feel like that is something that should be taken into consideration Smile
  • + 6
 Testing the most expensive model ensures consumers will consider purchasing the $10k model, along with every model underneath.

Testing the $3k bike doesn't inspire spending more than 3k. No business wants you to spend less instead of more.

Reviews are a marketing tool, not a public service for mountain bikers.
  • + 5
 You should do a poll about how many of us have a bike that is more expensive than our cars. 2 out 3 bikes I have, are more expensive than my car. I ain't rich. But my car is really bad.
  • + 4
 Great poll. But it is really amazing what bikes you can build for cheap. I'm 14, and my trail bike is a 2009 trek fuel ex 8. We heavily modified it to make it a little more modern. 1x drivetrain, dropper post, wide bars/short stem, and we bought offset bushings to make it slacker. We got the bike, fork and wheels for free, because someone donated their old bike to the high school mtb team my dad runs. We don't need it anymore for that purpose because my dad bought a niner hardtail for the team. All together, after cobbling parts together from riders in our local mountain bike club (and our basement), we built an amazing 26'' 140/120mm travel trail bike for a little more than 200$. It really was a fun project and it goes to show that you don't have to drop 8000$ to have fun. (Although my dad's trail bike was like 8000 but whatever he likes it a lot.)
  • + 4
 This doesn't account for industry employees or deals. I've built my ride while working with a shop so it's really a larger amount for less. So I feel my data is only making it lower. I feel lots of people don't pay retail for anything
  • + 4
 This is why I go custom and build slowly looking for deals and not for immediate parts. In September I got a new in box warrantied 2016 S-Works Stumpy frame for $1799. MSRP was $4000. Same geometry as the current year, just with a 142 rear end. Two months ago, I got a new non boost DVO Diamond for $599. Colorado Cyclist has Hope/Flow wheelsets for right around $520 delivered. The Praxis conversion BB was about $70. The XT groupset and cockpit I swapped over from my last bike. That's a high end bike for less than $3500.
  • + 2
 I do something similar. However, I also find a lot of satisfaction working and upgrading my bike throughout its life.

Never have paid retail for any of my high-end parts. Just watch the buy/sell, sales, etc. It's amazing the quality of bike I've been able to get for less than $3500.
  • + 3
 There is a trick in sales in which you offer an obnoxiously expensive item such as the $100 hooters hamburger combo so that the other items no longer seem nearly as expensive. When you see that $8000 carbon santa cruz tallboy those $2500 Jeckylls don't seem all that expensive anymore. Of course there are people who will still buy them, but 95% of the people are going to put their legs over the Jeckyl long before they save up for the blinged out tallboy.
  • + 3
 I went the budget bike route on my new trail bike. Vitus Sommet VR for $1850 from Chainreaction. XT 1x11, SLX brakes, Race Face Affect cranks, Brand X dropper etc. Couldn’t be happier. I can guarantee I’m having just as much fun if not more than the guys I ride with that have $8,000 carbon rides.
  • + 2
 I think a better figure would be how much less did you pay compared to rrp in percentages or dollar figures. What things are "worth" and we actually pay can be vastly different. I've spent less than the retail of my new frame and shock on the whole bike with pretty decent stuff..
  • + 3
 I think it's better to have 5 x $2000 bikes each with its own purpose than one $10000 bike. The $10000 bike probably can't do anything as well as one of the $2000 bikes, just an adequate job of everything.
  • + 5
 The results are going to be private right? So significant others can't see what we REALLY spent?
  • + 2
 Can only speak for myself but I'm in my 30's and didn't have money for a high end bike when I was younger. That being said, as soon as i could swing it I bought Santa Cruz carbon nomad. USA company (love that) but most of all, in the long run, any company that has a warranty as good as Santa Cruz is actually a savings. Chipped my bronson after 4 years and they warrentied it for nomad. Quality is top notch. Custom build so saved money there. Point is, don't stop reviewing high end bikes but I think people here have a point that a broader variety of bikes (price wise) getting reviews would be good for all.
  • + 1
 I think the saddest thing for me about this poll is that I have gotten bikes by all three methods: used, new, and custom built...all within the last year and a half.

After reading the comments from some other folks I’m starting to think I need to hang on to my bikes for longer than a year.
  • + 1
 I bought a brand new 2014 Scott Genius 740 back in 2014. I chose it because I was LONG overdue for an upgrade from my "$100 W**M*** special" Mongoose BlackComb, and the Genius 740 was a well-spec'd and priced lower/mid tier all-mountain bike that looked excellent for a "serious starter rig". The MSRP was about $3,000 USD, but since I bought it through the bicycle shop where I worked at the time, I only paid about $1,700 USD! Aren't employee discounts the BEST?! The only component upgrade I ever made (other than changing tires and grips) was a RaceFace narrow-wide single chain ring immediately when I assembled the bike new out of the box. I have honestly ridden the absolute Hell outta this bike. It takes everything the trail throws at it, and spits it right back out with a cloud of dust and rocks! (Except that one time I fell off the trail into a massive cactus, but that was 100% MY FAULT so let's not talk about it, MKAY?!) I plan on keeping this bike as long as possible, upgrading it as I need to. Have a great day, y'all!
  • + 1
 Anyone who can complete the entire climb up to the Big Money trail in Fernie (the banner sign for this article) without stopping or dabbing might be an alien. That climb nearly breaks my will to live every year but the descent is so awesome I always come back for more. And even if a real live dentist on a $12K bike that I could never afford did it, he/she would be one of my heroes.
  • + 1
 37 suckers bought their bikes used and still paid over $10 grand!?!

A better poll would be:

Who has a $10 thousand dollar bike and still can't whip or barely hop a fallen log?
Who has a sub-$2 thousand dollar frankenstein bike they built themselves and can shred the shit out of a trail?
  • + 0
 Totally agree. I think it's great for people to learn skills on "crappy" bikes and start to really love mountain biking before they drop 10k on a carbon wonder machine.
  • + 2
 I think the majority of people that clicked 10K are just shit-stirring.
  • + 5
 More than what I told... well, you know the drill...
  • + 1
 Not sure if I agree with the super car analogy either. A car at the price of a ‘17 Ford GT is 450K USD base. Aka, it’s not even possible to buy it. It’s literally a dream machine that cannot be touched by 99% of the world. A $10K s-works stumpjumper, however, is FEASIBLE to own. However I - And I think I speak for a lot of people on this site - don’t really see the added benefit of the additional price tag. Could I save longer and eventually get a super bike? Sure. Would I have more fun on it? I don’t know, but if i had to guess I’d say doubtful. Now a Ford GT vs my Mazda 3... that’s a whole ‘nother ballgame. So yeah, I wanna review the Ford GT because it’s a modern engineering marvel and is priced more than many a house. The 10k bike ride review? Eh. Don’t need it. It just leaves me guessing what it would be like if you swapped out the Kashima coated fox 36 and the xo eagle for a pike rc and a gx 11 speed.
  • + 1
 $3600 for my '16 Process 153 (Non DL) and I love it. It is such a great bike. My last bike was a 2010 Nomad and the geo on the Process is so much better. The rear so much better that at 48 years old, I'm riding stuff that I wouldn't have attempted 5-15 years ago. Today's bikes are so good even if you don't go for the bling build.
  • + 1
 In the 10 years I've owned my car I've gone through 6-8 bikes of various disciplines with only the latest bike (Canyon Strive) being the first bike I bought brand new. The car however.... well it serves no purpose other than getting me to the trails.
  • + 1
 When I was riding a ton in my twenties and early 30's I had two bikes that were fairly custom. Both in the 8k range. They were sweet as they get. I'll be 40 next month. I still have the revolt. It's mine. I don't plan on buying another downhill bike and spending what I used to spend on bikes seems a bit foolish at my age. If you ever get the chance to get a trip with Big Mountain in Switzerland DO IT! That is a HUGE amount of fun!
  • + 1
 sending the 10k bike for a review is just a pure marketing, hype would not be high enough on low specific bike but when we see new orange fox, sram eagle groupset etc the jaw is dropping. Moreover knowing our budgets we are thinking ok, I can leave without bling bling parts BUT IF THE FRAME rides soo good I might consider buying the version in my price range.
  • + 1
 I'm a car guy, too. My mentality is the same when it comes to both bikes and cars... wait for the awesome stuff to depreciate, then buy it moderately used for a fraction of the price. I can have an awful lot of fun with a three year old bike or a ten year old car, while still being able to actually afford to stay in the game. It's worked out pretty well so far.
  • + 1
 got myself a Canyon Spectral 5ex for Au$2,600 (US$1,980!) and there is nothing that I feel I need swap out/replace. Oops I lied, OK, I put my old odi lockons and charge saddle on, but that hardly counts. I will tune the suspension with a MRP ramp control for the front and a volume spacer kit for the rear, but as is, it does really fine. Great value!
  • + 1
 I got a second hand canyon strive to save some dollars. CF race 8.0 not top of the line but the parts on it serve me well, I have had the team race bike but had to sell it due to financial constraints. This bike I am hanging on to.
  • + 1
 The US Dollar doesn't buy much here in So. Cali any more. At 70 yrs and on a small fixed income (retired) I have to spend my $$ wisely, and usually have to save up to buy upgraded parts, i.e. dropper post, ect..I've only been riding about a year now. I've even sold some of my guitar gear to buy my new bike and parts. Why is I choose things that are expensive..?
I'm all for anyone to make money, but honestly, some of the parts are over priced imho..es it hard for us Poor folks..lol
  • + 1
 I really think you can get a damn good bike for $4000 to spend $10000 on something that will be out dated in a few years seems insane to me. I would also assume people selecting the $10000 option didn't just buy a $10000 stock bike they probably upgraded to that point.
  • + 1
 So I had to select a random box to see the results of the two polls that didn't apply to my situation. I feel wrong for sabotaging the statistical integrity of PB, but I don't know how to see the results without affecting the results.
  • + 1
 It'd be fun to see a series like they do on jalopnik to help people find cars. People write in explain pinging their situation (price range, intended use/style....etc). The editors then provide a suggested vehicle (often used from CL but sometimes new) and the suggestions often vary widely. Seems like this would be a good way to target diffent price ranges and varying real world scenarios. It would be informative too as they could justify their suggestion by explaining what they saw as priorities for each situation (assuming the situation isn't "I have unlimited $$")
  • + 1
 I can with all honesty say that in 25 years or riding MTB I have never owned a bike that cost me more then £300. I have owned bikes that were £800-900 new but I’ve never payed more then £250 for them pre owned

When I was at school I would say I missed out on not riding too end bikes as I pushed hard and broke several frames riding downhill. But now in my mid 30’s riding mainly hard XC my current £300 bike is more then enough. It’s got me to within touching distance of several strava KOMs
  • + 1
 Wherever one lands on the "price paid" spectrum, I think a lot, maybe a majority, will spend a meaningful amount of money in upgrades/replacements on just about any bike that isn't custom built up from parts. (add a dropper, better brakes, new wheels, better/more suitable/seasonally appropriate tires). Seems like at any level there's a few hundred to a grand or more spend after the "big purchase".

As much as I love a whole bike review, I probably get more value from the components reviews/comparisons.
  • + 1
 My biggest issue with $5k bikes is the wheels are often subpar as well as the suspension. I ended up having to retension a brand new set of RF AR 30 wheels because they were so poorly built. And I also switched out both my front and rear suspension because the bike was so rough over small bumps. And I switched out the tires, but that is personal preference. Next time I'm either going to just buy a frame and build to spec, buy a value brand like Giant, or buy a direct sale brand like Commencal. And I always buy at the end of the year when things are on sale.
  • + 1
 Last two bikes where used demo bikes off lbs fleet. 40% off on couple of year old high end builds... no brand loyalty. Just the best deal to be had whenever I get the itch for a new ride.

Bikes have come a long long way. These are now well designed and the components across builds are the same.

Just like cars, wait a 3-4 years and major marks downs on stuff that's will last you another 6
  • + 4
 Can there not also be a “how many times a day do you check the buy/sell Pinkbike classifieds”
1-2
3-5
6-35
?
  • + 4
 “Even though you just bought a new bike, how often do you check the classifieds?”

The struggle is real.
  • + 1
 Shame there is no stats on regional based responses; From looking at the trails in Sweden 'beginner' bike builds are : 2,500 euros with the average bike being a top-specced enduro with öhlins etc.
  • + 3
 I value equipment over experience.

Subsequently, I clicked "Over $10,000" on every poll question. Wink
  • + 0
 I spend as little as I possibly can, but it's still far too much. Just the cost of keeping a bike going, including doing all the maintenace myself makes me cringe. The cost per smile does not weigh up well against my other sport surfing, but it is convenient and I can do it from the front door. If I lived at the beach, I would not ride mountain bikes.
  • + 0
 Thankfully the choice(s) of cars aren't simply a Corolla/Civic, or a Porsche 911 GT2/Ford(pronounced 'Turd') GT. There's a whole lotta in-between cars.
Waitaminute...the same thing goes for mountain bikes, does it not? It's not simply a $1500 hard tail or a $10k Intense Tracer w/Enve carbon everywhere, and SRAM XX Eagle drivetrain.
You COULD review the $5k version of the Tracer et. al. PB...
  • + 1
 Got a Felt Decree one, (Retail MSRP $6,500) for $3,000 brand new. Love riding a fancy bike, but I would not have spent more than I did.
  • + 2
 I hope you all have your accounts set to anonymous... you don't want to piss the guy off that drills on your teeth.
  • + 2
 Where's the poll option for "smart enough to buy my new bike piecemeal to conceal the actual amount spent?"
  • + 1
 I bet a lot of people are answering $6000, not because they had that kind of money to spend on a bike, but the bike they want is priced that way.
  • + 2
 who keeps track LOL , I build my bikes from the ground up and purchase as I can afford my parts .
  • - 1
 Built my trek part by part, mostly with 1-2 year old parts that were on sale due to overstock.. and saved a ton. Just got a brand new like RCT3 for 600.. normal 1100 new. Anyone mechanically bike savvy still buying complete bikes is Someone happy just to spend money. Aka a moron.
  • + 2
 Giant trance alloy with a bunch of upgrades to make it more confidence inspiring and I've only spent about $2200usd lol
  • - 1
 How do I ever keep track of how much worth I have on my bike? The frame is about ten years old, forks nine, rear mech maybe twelve or so... Replaced a 13 year old crankset last summer, the summer before that I removed a front mech from 2002 (because I wanted to run an oval ring and I was merely using the front mech as a chain guide, not to shift). I said between 1000 and 1500 because the frame was about 200 euros back then and the forks were probably about 600 or so. Brakes may be costly as well but other than that there isn't much worth. Now I just ordered a 26" BTR hardtail frame so that will bump me right into the 3000usd region. Gets me more on par with the average PB crowd apparently Wink .
  • + 1
 This survey should account for multiple bikes and what the total value is also. I currently have 4, and they are all rad. #n+1
  • + 1
 Typically buy mid range complete, then upgrade parts if I broke smthing; worst thing is drivetrain easy to break, outdates too fast
  • + 1
 my first new bike was a hardtail for 600 then last year I bought a trek remedy frame and fox fork for a grand while I worked at the lbsand swapped the drivetrain and wheels
  • + 2
 I would like to know who the idiots are that are spending $10,000 + on a used bike
  • + 1
 Insurance bought me my bike; lost a crappy hardtail that didn't fit me and got a 2017 Scout. Not a bad trade, thanks bike thief
  • + 1
 I dislike the car comparison a 290000$ car vs a 25000$ car is not the same as 4000$ vs 10000 you could buy almost 12 Hondas vs Porsche. Perhaps a civic vs some 100000 car?
  • + 1
 If you built custom as well as bought new, several times.. is there a seperate poll to indicate how poor you now are??
  • + 1
 Bike cost >$15K to build in 2016, paid $5K in near mint condition in 2017

#winning
  • + 2
 Poll is faulty. Only let's you enter price for one bike.
  • + 1
 Dear Santa... I’ve been a very very good boy this year..... (insert name of dream bike here)
  • + 1
 Where's the 4th poll for priority and comparison on how much was spent on the vehicle transporting your bike Wink
  • + 1
 If $3-4k bikes were reviewed, would there be less '' what bike should i buy'' threads?
  • + 1
 Should probably account for people that got deals on this. I bought a bike with $3800 USD MSRP for ~$2200.
  • + 2
 Significantly less than MSRP, but still more than I should have.
  • + 1
 No option for “thankfully I was given my bike as I couldn’t afford more than a coupleahundred...”
  • + 1
 My bike has an MSRP of $4000 back in 2007-8 but I built it for around 1200 and it has a better spec (wheels and fork)
  • + 2
 37 pepole spent 10,000+ plus on a used bike? Got to be one hell of a bike!
  • + 1
 Missing the question if the total of bikes was more expensive than the car you drive.
  • + 2
 More than I told my wife, on all bikes
  • - 1
 Holy crap you guys who are dishing out above $4000 USD. Those numbers are way higher than I thought. Might I say completely unnecessary, you're not faster than the rest of us, just sayin.
  • + 2
 But the fastest guys are almost always on an expensive bike.
  • + 1
 @iamamodel: in my experience that's rarely true. This is a skill and physical endeavor you can't always throw money at it.
  • + 1
 @loganflores: That's true - you can't be super fast by buying a super fast bike, but you will go faster. You'll find that the guys that have the talent and/or dedication to go fast will put their money where their talents and desires lie, and therefore the fast guys have expensive bikes. I've been racing MTB regularly and across disciplines for nearly thirty years and the fastest guys have always had the latest and greatest gear. You are right, not everyone on an expensive bike is fast, but everyone who is fast is on an expensive bike.
  • + 1
 @iamamodel: that is still a blanket statement there are tons of people who can't afford a 3000+ bike who are fast. Sometimes faster than you on a 1000$ bike
  • + 1
 @iamamodel: not always, heard of a guy that used to turn up to roadbike track races in jeans and a second hand cheapish roadbike. He pretty much kept thrashing the other rides on a crit track.
a good bike might make you slightly better but a good rider will be good on whatever you throw him unless its a dept store bike..no one can ride them well lol.
  • + 1
 @iamamodel: the FASTEST guys are always on an expensive bike, because they are sponsored. ftfy
  • + 1
 The trips to ride are expensive where I live is 1:30 of driving to get to a hill
  • + 1
 my bike started life as a 700 dollar hardtail... it's since been nearly completely replaced though...
  • + 1
 The polls should include a value where "This is not how I purchased my bike" so that other people can look at the numbers.
  • + 1
 Who are these 295 people spending over £10k on a bike?
  • + 1
 Everything I had plus 10%
  • + 2
 Too much.
  • + 1
 Mike, what it would cost retail or what we industry folk would pay?
  • + 1
 Wayyyyyy too much!!!$$$$$$
  • + 1
 Please do more guardrail reviews.
  • + 2
 Which one? :-)
  • + 1
 So far, it looks like your guess was spot-on, Mike.
  • + 1
 who paid more for their wheels than the whole bike?
  • + 1
 why are you doing this to us
  • + 1
 What's going on with those people paying over $10,000 USD for a used bike?
  • + 1
 there are insane people....
  • + 1
 Where's the free I'm sponsored option ????????
  • + 1
 Buy it used so you can abuse
  • + 1
 What if I have 3 bikes?
  • + 1
 Too much. I have issues
  • + 1
 Buy once, cry once.
  • + 1
 which bike ? i have 5
  • + 1
 USD? how about CAD?
  • + 1
 too much
  • - 1
 As a Canadian site, why are all the options in USD?
  • + 1
 Because the world runs on US Dollars
  • + 3
 Satan’s spunk paper
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