Pinkbike Poll - Would You Take a Free 250 Watts if No One Knew?

Mar 26, 2018 at 13:36
by Mike Levy  
Okay, I've got a completely hypothetical question for you: if you could instantly have an extra 250 watts at your disposal, would you take it? No, there isn't a motor, hidden or not, and you don't have to spend eight hours a day training with a power meter, doing lunges, and snorting protein powder through a rolled up Clif Bar wrapper, either. Instead, the extra potency, which would likely double most of our outputs, would magically rain down horsepower on your poor cranks... and your hurting riding buddies.


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No drugs or motors involved, just a free 250 watts that no one else knows about... Would you take it?


There is an obvious catch, of course, in that you'll know full well that what you've done is pretty shady. Sure, you didn't dope, and you're not rocking a hidden motor and battery - it's not that as in-your-face as those methods of cheating - but some of us might argue that it's an underhanded way to try and be a better rider. I know that I make that point, especially after how I've gone on and on about how e-bikes are popular largely because of how many people just want the sport to be easier and easier. Some of us (but not all of us) want the good parts of mountain biking, the awesome descents and long days in the saddle, but we want them to come to us at minimal expense.

But if you're an e-bike adversary, you surely can't be okay with having the extra horsepower that my hypothetical situation would supply, can you?

So, no motor, no drugs, and no one knows. Don't worry about how or why; just ask yourself if the answer is yes or no. Would you take the extra power? Or would you feel guilty about your sudden and unearned speed?


Would you take an extra 250 watts for free?

No motor, no drugs, just an extra 250 watts from your legs that comes at no expense to you. Would you take it, or is it cheating in your mind?




437 Comments

  • + 207
 Oh Mike - this is so clickbaity. YOU WON"T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED NEXT. I expect thousands and thousands of comments.
  • + 61
 Where’s my safe space?! Aaaaaaa!

Seriously, that’s still better than air spring with coil like rate that needs bottom out control and the solution is a freely tumbling cork from overengineered material. When I read that I thought that horse porn makes more sense. On that note. Would you do horse porn if nobody was ever to learn about it? Would that count as cheating on your spouse?
  • + 170
 this is really next level TROLL POLLING, stop posting this stupid shit, PB
  • + 1
 @flipfantasia: ah, what do you prefer, this and no whining on your ad-block or Bike Radar and their 30s video before you can open the page? Now express your outrage in a comment!
  • + 27
 @WAKIdesigns: I tried it once but I had a bit of a mare
  • + 51
 SHIT poll. if a bunch of people say yes(answers 1,2 and 5) pinkbike will try to tell ebike manufacturers that pinkbike people want 250watt motors, look at this poll. ADVERTISE WITH US.
  • + 22
 And yet y’all still clicked it...
  • + 14
 Nah, just preparing us for the next Spez or Trek e-bike that looks really, really close to a normal bike.
  • + 23
 @WAKIdesigns: Every time I come on here I see WAKIdesigns and than some sh*t comment that's complaining or just makes no sense. Do you have nothing better to do?
  • + 28
 @flipfantasia: Personally find it hilarious. PB posts this stuff because this is what earns them pageviews. If you want it to go away, your comment is part of the problem.

Personally see no issue with a few tongue in cheek opinions and polls. Those guys have been steadily giving us everything we want elsewhere, right down to bike comparisons. Let them have some fun.
  • + 77
 @2003Rider: You must be new here.
  • + 9
 ONWARD TO CROATIA!
  • + 4
 I think the guy who has asthma might want 250 watts - if you could barely breathe because of a disability would you want the 250 watts? Yes - the answer is yes you a*shole...
  • + 1
 It's the same in all sports, either everyone taking roids or nobody,,, same for watts. How many spadex Roadies have been banned recently?? You think XC is squeaky clean?? Is Batman on pills? I guess we'll have to wait for the scandal to be uncovered.
  • - 14
flag mikelevy Mod Plus (Apr 6, 2018 at 15:54) (Below Threshold)
 @flipfantasia: So sorry Frown
  • + 11
 @WAKIdesigns: bike radar is still a thing?
  • + 41
 @2003Rider: oh, you're new here. Yeah, he comes with the website. You'll get used to him, and you'll see many of his comments are understandable in the way acid trips are. But, he does get serious every now and then, and in those moments you'll be enlightened. Eventually you'll get to see his illustrations and parodies and you'll be entertained probably. He's a devoted mtb'er and a devoted commentor and I appreciate that.
  • + 39
 @WAKIdesigns: would you take 250 free horse dicks, no one would ever know.
  • + 10
 @mikelevy: attaboy. Got the pageviews. Next!
  • + 1
 @Floyd123: You been to youtube in the last year? They seem to be doing well.
  • + 86
 @leelau @flipfantasia I can't roll my eyes far enough back in my head right now. There's usually interesting stuff to read on PB daily, but some people fully shit themselves when a silly, hypothetical poll comes up... It's not real, and ya don't need to answer it. I see things every day that I think are dumb, and you know what I do? I move along without shitting myself. Eeesh, so much butthurt in here.
  • + 10
 Popcorn.
  • + 4
 Not every poll/article can be a winner. Mistakes happen. This one is a pure dud and can be nothing but controversial...so much so that it must be intentional, so scratch the 'mistake' part.
  • + 3
 @2003Rider: LOL! Truth!
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: I hope that was a sincere apology. This is a fairly tasteless piece that aims to monetize an audience through disguised theoretical proposition. Disappointing stuff.
  • + 5
 @loopie: Not a mistake at all. So many of us shit on e-bikes, but what if you had e-bike power without the motor? It's just a hypothetical question, nothing more.
  • + 11
 this fantasy question deserves a reality response............


www.outsideonline.com/1924306/drug-test?page=all

hgh sounds like a dream. i'd be all over it if i had the disposable income.

drugs and cheatin and performance enhancing will never go away.

whats gonna happen when the paralympic 100 meter dash is run quicker than the olympic 100 meter because artificial legs will be faster?...............

its coming, very soon.
"part animal/part machine.
take a good look around and you will see what i mean."
  • - 1
 @mikelevy: I think I get where you were going with it, or the intention.....it's just worded poorly perhaps. Throwing the word "cheat" in there for example needs further clarification for the poll to make any sense. Either way...marketing is very literally your job. I don't fault you guys for one second for it...and I agree that it is pretty stunning at times the lengths people will go to complain about free shit...this is a free eMag. Some can see the long game tho....this poll is a subconscious lead into accepting a small motor sometime down the road...which is fine with me...but I see where the peoples are getting pissed...haha
  • + 18
 @Loamhuck: Huh? It's not that deep, really. The gist is that a lot of us (but not everyone) shit on e-bikes, but what if you could have e-bike abilities without out the motor? Would you take it? That's all it is, so I have no idea about this whole "... aims to monetize an audience through disguised theoretical proposition. Disappointing stuff,'' but that's fine if you think that.

Also, marketing is not my job at all. It's the opposite of that. And I despise e-bikes and don't want to see them here on Pinkbike. So no, this isn't a ''lead into accepting a small motor sometime down the road.''
  • + 5
 @mikelevy: Levy coming in with some truth! So much butthurt on here! Haha!
  • + 1
 They need an e-steroid bike for when the batteries die. Thinking nobody in our massive community is not partaking in any type of performance altering methods, you must be living under rocks in Canada. Even curling teams are jacked up on something.
  • + 12
 @fecalmaster: I alter my performance with large amounts of caffeine, donuts, and laughing grass. Maybe altering for the worse, but whatever.
  • + 25
 @loopie: pinkbike ain't free.

it costs you a piece of your soul everytime you read/write in the comment section.....
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: Looks like we have alot in common. Trying hard to stay off the donuts to keep my air pressure down.
  • + 7
 @fecalmaster: With a name like fecalmaster, I'm not surprised we have things in common haha
  • + 1
 It's all comedy here in NY but I'm going on 25 years of MTB ( dam I'm old) Soo much in common I have been fortunate to meet riders from all over the world. We greet and treat all riders with respect,, hard to find in the city gritty.
  • + 2
 agreed click bait, but I think the (my) context is somewhat relevant here. I fired up my browser and immediately to pinkbike, to....right, not really sure, just chilling and otherwise want to scratch the itch, so to speak.

I, for one, welcome our new click bait overlords.
  • + 7
 @mikelevy: mike i hope this doesn't mean we can't ride Gargamel with seat up together. Hugs and smooches.

Here's more poll ideas:

Shimano or SRAM is SATAN. YES OR NO?

Which trail system is most overrated? Bend, Boulder, Cleveland or Squamish.

Should riding skinnies on ebikes be illegal.

Proos to you if you can get death threats out of this
  • + 7
 So basically, most people would ride ebikes, IF no one knew...
  • + 3
 @leelau: Now that I'm in the corridor, we should ride together more. Seats always up... unless we're going down, in which case it's down so I can skid.

To answer your questions: Neither, Bend by far, skinnies are worse than e-bikes and I don't like e-bikes (so yes). Still waiting on the death threats but I'm always hopeful.
  • + 6
 I thought it was a tongue in cheek piece about e bikes and no one caught the sarcasm. y'all just talking bout the poll
  • + 3
 @POWsLAYER: Exactly Smile
  • + 2
 @AutumnMedia: I have asthma and no Ebike for Thanks!
  • + 1
 @sherbet: not really mate to be honest, and if I am on youtube its hockey related not bike related. fair enough, always thought they would disappear..
  • + 1
 It's just poorly worded. If the 250W comes to you for free, it's not cheating.
Some people make 1600W. Are they cheating just because they make 250W more than someone else? Of course not. If it's allowed by the rules, it is not cheating!
  • + 1
 all Canadians hit number 4
  • + 3
 Total BS post!

In a way you can see how many people would take 'drugs' to win if no one would be watching... it is just like a pool for the next generation of 'Armstrongs'... (but without the testicular cancer)...
  • - 1
 @slayerdegnar: You get it
  • + 2
 @Ricardo-Sa: oh yeah, as if Armstrong was a pioneer and tens of thousands of amateurs in various sports world wide wouldn’t be juicing to improve their mediocrity. It’s like Bill O’Reilly moralizing on porn. Would you like your kids to take steroids? Would you like your daughter to star in porn? No, but you still watch olympics and porn. Guess what, you don’t want to take PEDs? Don’t! and if you worry about the message this attitude sends to kids stop looking for others to fix your problem of bringing them up and taking them away from pitfalls. So don’t worry about next generations, worry about your own family, clean your own house before you worry about others.
  • + 1
 @stacykohut:.......Drum roll....... you get comment of the day!!!
LMAO
  • + 2
 I would try PEDs if they were available in bulk at Costco, but you're right about my daughter.
  • + 2
 Is this a way of saying all EWS riders are cheating, but is it cheating if everyone is taking it?
  • + 1
 @jaame: nah I got it right off the bat. maybe you just take things a little to serious? then again, I was high at the time I read it...
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: again, you're missing the whole point. it wasn't even about PSE, unless that stands for piece of shit ebikes.
  • + 2
 @leelau: thats a tough one between Bend and Boulder....
  • + 1
 @stacykohut: paras have kicked ass in the marathon for years. 100m is coming and I can't wait to see it happen as well.
  • - 5
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 7, 2018 at 10:23) (Below Threshold)
 @POWsLAYER: piece of shit e-bikes... exercising hatered much? Good hatered? Justified hatered? Gott mitt unst?
  • + 1
 @Loamhuck:
Spot on, not even a properly disguised agenda. Why not 289,9 Watt or 650 Watt? I am willing to bet money in 10 years 500 or 1000W will be legal, simply because companies are using salami tactics to chip away at e-bike resistance in barely noticeable steps.
  • - 1
 @Loamhuck:
Spot on, not even properly disguised. Why not 289,9 Watt or 650 Watt? I am willing to bet money in 10 years 500 or 1000W will be legal, simply because companies are using salami tactics to chip away at e-bike resistance in barely noticeable steps.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: it’s just what fit there guy....but yeah I’m not a fan of the free 250 Watts.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: The only industry person I have seen speak the truth on ebikes. And I agree
Wade Simmons was preaching ebikes on the CBC the other morning, I was disappointed, I guess he says what his boss tells him.
  • - 4
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 7, 2018 at 11:39) (Below Threshold)
 @POWsLAYER: no? Should I stop deadlifting too? Because unlike in “struggle is real” videos of upcoming racers Where they train So fkng hard on the gym and then they ride their road bike so fkng hard, I personally find deadlifting extremely enjoyable. Same with road riding. Hey, I like interval training too. I even like climbs. I love climbing. So the benefit comes to me not only for free, I get that and a bonus. It’s hard to call it earning. Oh how sad fkr you must be to treat it as “earning”.
  • - 4
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 7, 2018 at 11:47) (Below Threshold)
 @RLEnglish: whatever suits the ideological poetry you feed your head with. You are going to look down on Wade because he says good stuff about e-bikes? As if this bullshit with dissing Sam Pilgrim wasn’t enough? I wonder what standards you set yourself and then pursue? Because these guys definitely had much higher standards than you when it comes to riding a mountain bike and they fulfilled them.
  • - 1
 @aljoburr: Oh God, I can't go down that road again. The shit was stirred enough haha
  • + 5
 @wildedge586: Do you wear multiple tinfoil hats at once, or just one really big tinfoil hat? Just curious. Kazimer and I are probably the biggest e-bike opponents on PB, and neither of us want to see them here on PB. In then, I don't care who rides what, motor or not, but I do believe that e-bikes should be covered elsewhere because they're not mountain bikes.

Jeez, it was a simple (and poorly worded, it seems) question about whether you'd take an extra 250 watts. I wanted readers to question their dislike of e-bikes because, if you'd take the free extra power, how can you shit on e-bikes? I would not take the extra power, just for the record, and I also wouldn't ride an e-bike.
  • - 4
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 7, 2018 at 13:59) (Below Threshold)
 @mikelevy: E-bike is cheaper than posh bike with carbon rims, Di2/Smeagol dinner plate and gold chain (choose your weapon! Fight! Fatality!) and a custom stupid overcomplicated cartdidge that turns your air spring into coil like air spring. Not to mention a 300g poshcore for a dumb 1ply tyre instead of 2 ply tyre and a tube. And it is faster. Much faster.
  • - 5
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 7, 2018 at 14:44) (Below Threshold)
 Also is it cheating if I charge the battery of my e-bike by pedalling on a trainer? Hey I am pedalling on a trainer in off season, 250W for two hours - so fkng struggle is real, I want to reach my goals, I am motivated, this season will be sick, inspirational, emotional. Hell yeah, watch me as I wobble on one foot on a stupid balance board while holding a kettlebell above my head. Then I will take pilates ball, lay with my back on it, put my heels into a TRC and bench press two chains. Awake as fuk training program. Then charge battery to my e-bike by doing plyo sprints on my trainer that is connected to Garmin app on my phone. So fkng earning it! #iearnedit #workhard #iclimbtodescent #realmtb #cycleswithmotorsaremotorycles #earnyouturns #dhlife #freeridenotdead
  • + 6
 @mikelevy: aah screw these guys and what they think. To master the no fks given about what people think is one of the best skills to develop.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: I interpreted this question as "would you like to have back the cardio that you had 15 years ago?"
I can't imagine who would say "no" to that. To me the question had nothing to do with E-bikes.
  • + 1
 @Brauck: amen to that.

In three years there will be affordable Ebikes with 1kw motors and all up weights of under 20kg, that look exactly the same as normal bikes. You will be able to do twice as many laps of your local loops in the same time and on the same energy as what you can do now thanks to no longer wasting 85% of your time riding back up. What's not to like?
  • + 3
 @jaame: Why don't you ride a motorcycle? Isn't a ebike kind of a girly thing?
  • + 0
 For real pick a hole and stick it,, or maybe your a transformer.
  • + 2
 @RLEnglish: I do ride a motorcycle. I also ride a mountain bike and a scooter. I like the idea of mountain biking with a little motor to help out with the boring (uphill) part. It's not that I can't ride up hill, just that I don't really enjoy it. I would shuttle all the time if I could, but I can't. With an ebike I wouldn't have to. I get it about access, but aside from that I don't get it. They are bicycles, not motorcycles.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: I dont think this post is pointless at all, mind you for me there is an easy side to answer it. The main reason I dont go on longer rides is I dont have enough time... but then again I dont usually go on long rides by myself. So even if I could go up faster, hence riding more in the same time, if my mates wouldn't, I still wouldnt go for longer rides on my own. So Im gonna go with probably wouldnt take it, not beacuse it was cheating though, just because it would be pointless. Mind you if I though about competition, and making a living out of it, probably would consider it haha. That's like a guy who is 2m tall playing basketball against another one who is 1,70m tall. It´s isn´t really cheating ; ). Wouldnt mind being stronger for free at all, it would be like a geene granted you a wish...If that was the case though, no extra power, just would wish I could ride like Semeneuk!
  • - 2
 @WAKIdesigns: You have a great outlook on life... I will looking out for your kids on sports bans and porn magazines...

I do not in any form support doping and I do not support pornography - we all know that most of the girls involved are actually sexually abused and most of them trafficked and forced into this lifestyle.

Shame on you!
  • - 1
 @Ricardo-Sa: interesting, where did I say I condone such beahvior? Well by watching Olympics, football matches, you support doping in a a way. Just like by watching potn you support it in a way. It does not mean you administer drugs or molest girls. Have a good sunday in your black and white world.
  • + 2
 From what I can gather, most girls in porn are in porn for money. They do it out of choice.
  • + 1
 You can’t just give out comment of the day awards willy-nilly! @XCAussie:
  • + 1
 1) its not clickbait. The industry is pondering viability of smaller motors and PB is a source or research.

2) They need an option f. Electric motors are totally against why I mountain bike in the first place.
  • - 3
 @sevensixtwo:

“They” will not make weaker motors, they will be only making more efficient ones, possibly stronger. E-bike makers are already working on a basis: they can penalize you for going over speed limit but they cannot penalize you for trying to reach it as fast as possible. Hence there are bikes with 750w and stronger motors that they claim get a cut of power at 250W and 25km/h. Please don’t forget that battery affects power as well.

If they wanted to play fair and not use the motor power as selling point, they wouldn’t make motors bigger than legally allowed 250W.

Hacking the system is easy peasy and mods are poppong up on e-bike forums already.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: No, I’m guessing theres a new motor thats smaller that fits into normal-looking frames, to allow consumers to ride electric undetected.

In the USA, the consumer fear of getting “called out” is prob the biggest obstacle for sales.
  • - 2
 @metaam: @sevensixtwo

Those small motors have little power and little battery life. They are useful for roadies and CX riders to get an edge in decisive moments of the race, either to start a really powerful run away attempt or to shut one. Given the legal weight limits of 6.9kg being at least 2kgs above what modern bike technology can provide (you can buy 4.3kg relatively durable road bike) lightening the bike to the limit and stuffing it with 2kg motor and battery is an easy peasy.

You can’t use them for any longer period of time on a heavy and slow rolling mountain bike.

But well, I won’t be taking the fun of speculating from you Smile
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: .."marketing is not my job at all. It's the opposite of that. And I despise e-bikes and don't want to see them here on Pinkbike. So no, this isn't a ''lead into accepting a small motor sometime down the road.'' ".....Heya Mike, fwiw, I'll believe you and retract my marketing angle stance. .....but see, now look what you've done. You've got people accusing Waki of raising Strippers and Dopers! How dare you! ..lol
@stacykohut ...I know Frown ...the price we pay, heehee
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: The makers claim they can put out up to 200w for 60-90 minutes, but, whatever, I'm not planning motorised assistance anytime soon.
  • + 0
 @metaam: considering 5 times larger bosch puts out 250 for 180 minutes I doubt it...
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns:
Their web site seems to promise 120 watts for between 60 and 90 minutes when you are pedaling at a cadence of either 75 or 90 depending on the variant you select.

I have promised my wife that I will put one on our tandem in the not too distant future when we are both 70, so I hope the price comes down. If it does, I can put 2 (one for each crank), and that will get us back where we were 30 years ago. It is either that or I go look for a radioactive spider.

@mikelevy:
I just put up some sheet rock using an electric screw driver. I bet you would have used wood lath and horse hair plaster? Pinkbike may not be the place for e-bike reviews, but "despise"? You must really have a conniption fit over Motocross bikes.
  • + 2
 @sevensixtwo: I can't wait to hear your chemtrail and flat earth theories.
  • + 4
 @Dangerous-Dan: You're right, I don't despise e-bikes. I think I used that term because I hate coming off as a fence sitter. I just despise the whole 'Let's make it easier,' attitude that's applied to everything these days. People can tell me that they're working just as hard on them and/or covering more ground, but our sport is, and only ever will be, human powered. The trails are getting easier and easier in many locations, and now we have electric mountain bikes... There's no going back, either. I'm not trying to sound like our sport should be seen as any gnarlier than it is (it's only as gnarly as you make it), or be unwelcoming to anyone, only that mountain biking doesn't have to be for everyone. And there are no motors involved.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns:

No I don't. I am not expecting players to be doped to their brains when I watch sports. If they did I would want them banned. Doping and girl grooming is unfortunately a bad face of human behaviour (criminal one). I can't guess when people are lying to me or hiding something 100% of the time.

Now, when you get to bikes, if you agree with 'I would use an 'illegal prop - bike, power whatever..' if no one found out - it is in a way similar to above - lying and cheating - I do not condone that, no one should - it just brings a bat taste to our sport - one that drivers most of us away from participating and watching other mainstream sports.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: most people aren't getting paid to put stupid shit like this together. Probably one of the most retarded things I've ever read on pinkbike. Next you're going to be asking if we could hypothetically ride unicorns on Mars would we want to. I think pb needs to make some employee cut backs if this is what this site needs to resort to. Just my two cents.
  • + 4
 @mhoshal: Soooo you're saying that you wouldn't want to ride unicorns on Mars? I just want to be really, really clear on this so I don't accidentally make a poll that you don't think is worth your time. Lemme know.
  • - 1
 @Ricardo-Sa: I'm not saying they are doped up their brains. But they are openly using substances which are completely banned in cycling. I find it extremely hard to believe that most commercialized sport like football, where you run for 90 minutes, doing more than 10 all out sprints, that they don't dope. Ever read of a major doping scandal in football? I guess not.

Then I don't think there is a single cyclist today who is doped to the level it has been happening in the 90s, where longer flight or a good night sleep was a threat to your health. First off, since when doping comes at no price? It has a huge potential to ruin your body, AS IF (!) professional sports like football, cycling were already ruining it enough. A thing nr 2, there is a prevalent idea among ignorant part of the sport fans that dopers don't work as hard as top athletes who don't (apart form the fact that the idea that their favorite "clean" athlete is clean because... emm because... because I saw an interview with him and he looks like a decent man! He'd never do that!) So the idea that everyone is spinning their brains off, while Lance was lying on his couch watching Dynasty with needle in his arm is just silly.

One has to put himself in their position, it's a thought exercise enriching ones life. Because I am 100% sure, if you haven't got to the top of the top of any sport or discipline of life, you simply don't get what it takes to get into the place where you can think of grabbing the win, then what it takes to actually take it. I highly recommend Joe Rogan podcast with Lance.

As to E-bikes and making things easy, Jesus... talk to some climbers what they think of hikers on via ferratas. What they think of via ferratas in the first place... racing drivers and traction control, automatic gearboxes, abs?

Come on... I just try to encourage people to think. High fly values are actually a rather easy concept to follow and heh, man, in this culture? Where life is so easy compared to even 100, 200 years ago? Sticking to values, pffff... Don't steal! Oh can I get a medal for not stealing? I haven't killed anyone either nor did I spit in anyone's face. Can you give me an idea of a test you were put through in life, where you could cheat gaining a lot and you didn't? I am eager to learn, come on. What puts you in position of judging cheaters in sports? Or you just don't find it entertaining to watch it and for some reason you think you are a valuable asset in driving the sport forward so you checking out, encouraging a few folks to follow you can bring the sport down? I am just curious.
  • + 0
 @mikelevy: you have to be able to take a walk back and look at it from a distance. E-bikes making it easier, well, that’s good for you isn’t it? Don’t worry about other souls. As a good and strong rider I bet you’d be pedalling the hell out of an E-bike. Highly possibly more than from your current one. Off course you could detoriate later but that’s when you have to ride with E-bikers that are faster than you hahahha Big Grin
  • + 0
 @2003Rider: I wholeheartedly concur with you sir. @WAKIdesigns should get an award for being the most wise of all Pinkbike members. He knows it all and openly states it without remorse. It is entertaining, yet sad. He would be "that guy" at the pub...
  • - 1
 @RBalicious: yeah keep filling the blanks
  • + 0
 cyclist + motor = motorcyclist.... plus why would you admit to riding a scooter?
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: I tough it was a fun poll, I don't understand why people get so serious about it! Be gentle with the man you people!
  • + 2
 @mikelevy:
nothing makes mountain sports easier than riding up in/on a lift. I didn't ride the lift when I did mountaineering on skis, and I don't ride a lift to ride a bike. Riding up a hill on an e-bike would be a lot more work than riding up in a pickup or on a lift, but if someone else wants to ride up, that is fine with me.

I ride for exercise and relaxation and I don't find the whole down hill environment with the flash and the hustle and the wanna be's as relaxing or as much exercise as back country riding or skiing. But like WAKI, I don't think it gives me any moral bragging rights because I power myself up the hill.

Any groomed resort hill is going to be "easier" that a good back country trail. I haven't made it out to the Madahey trail yet, but it sounds like my kind of ride. I have done some cow trail riding in the Sheyenne Grasslands, and they are a blast. If winter ever ends this year I want to out there again and ride.

I have never ridden a bike down Mt. Bachelor, but I have skied it a few times, and getting center punched by some out of control flyer is not my idea of fun. The trails getting easier is probably related to the idea that things have to be "safe" and if I get hurt, I will sue. So safe they have become. It is a sad reflection of the new social norm that demands a "safe" environment.

And my wife really does want one of those little assist motors on the tandem. We have climbed some miles long 10% grades in the Scottish highlands, and with a fully loaded adventure tandem, they are not as much fun as you might think.
  • + 67
 This is so stupid. "No one will know what you've done." I don't know what i've done in this scenario. If I didn't do anything and woke up stronger, no strings attached. that's not cheating. The "how and why" are the only important questions to ask when it comes to getting stronger.
  • + 18
 Exactly. It's a pointless poll. But to dig a bit deeper:
I ride solo enough that I'd enjoy benefits. But once I rode with my buddies, I'd be twice as strong as them, and it would either piss them off, or I'd be pissed that they couldn't keep up. I like to ride "as fast and hard as I can sustain for the given ride that I'm on". I'd be the random odd-ball superhuman freak, and that just doesn't jive with your average group ride.

Additionally, the trails aren't planned for the usergroups to consist entirely superhuman freaks. If I can wake up that way, so can everyone else, and it can still throws the current trail infrastructure for a loop.

So I guess the answer is a straight-up "No".
  • + 1
 I wanted to give this many props and offer my own take but it would have been exactly this. Then, I remembered Leelau's comment and I feel silly falling for Mike's clickbait pole. LOL
  • + 1
 @mammal: " Additionally, the trails aren't planned for the usergroups to consist entirely superhuman freaks. If I can wake up that way, so can everyone else, and it can still throws the current trail infrastructure for a loop."

Damn.... Must be nice to have a trail infrastructure of any kind.
  • + 1
 @Mystyle: I'm not sure what it's like where you are, but we're spoiled here. Lots of "legal" stuff, and lots of "hidden" stuff too, if you're willing to find/build it.
  • + 5
 This is like asking....WOULD you accept $10000 dollars - if nobody knew or cared where it came from......
***OR would you rather WORK the extra 400 hours at your job to get it......???
WTF- I don’t know what kind of Saint you are - but I know what 99.99% of people would say.
  • + 1
 @kkse: falling for Mike’s pole sounds like this might not be the corner of the internet your looking for...
  • + 2
 @VwHarman: you are too right, lol.
  • + 61
 I'm not sure how an imaginary hypothetical situation that's a physical impossibility can constitute cheating.

"A magical unicorn takes a shit in your mouth, and you are now suddenly a podium contender for World Cups. Do you feel bad about it?"

f*ck no I don't feel bad about this contrived scenario. Just like I wouldn't feel bad if I was filthy rich and had three champagne filled hot tubs full of slutty bitches, paid for with the booty that I pillaged from some poor leprechaun that I found at the end of a rainbow.
  • + 12
 He's asking why you don't like e-motorcycles to better understand the industry stigma in north america
  • + 24
 @Loamhuck: If he wants to know why I don't like e-motorcycles, he should ask why I don't like e-motorcycles.

But imaginary magical power enhancements to my legs don't threaten trail access, so this round-about way of having the conversation is stupid.
  • + 0
 @Loamhuck: I do like E Motorcycles. An Alta Redshift is high on my wish list, if I magically had $12k appear in my bank account right now I would go buy one tonight.

and to Mike's poll question that would be an instantaneous boost of about 37,000 Watts.

All of this is completely unrelated to my interest in mountain biking however. eMtb get you all the land access limits of a motorcycle without the fun of just riding a motorcycle.
  • + 4
 @toast2266: " I wouldn't feel bad if I was filthy rich and had three champagne filled hot tubs full of slutty bitches, paid for with the booty that I pillaged from some poor leprechaun that I found at the end of a rainbow."

Still a better love story than Twilight.
  • + 3
 @toast2266 what a f*ckin champion, you took the exact words.. yes *exact* words out of my mouth and made my day.
  • + 1
 Man would I love to find a unicorn and a leprechaun. Go straight from the podium to the hot tubs. What a life. Sounds like Shaun Palmer actually. But he doesn't podium any more and his tubs have dried up. Maybe that's why he looks so angry all the time?? So how long does this magic shit last again?
  • + 48
 The f*** is a watt?

Ride your bike and have fun...
  • + 6
 WATT is a meme I think...
  • + 16
 @Connerv6: Watt in tarnation?
  • + 9
 Watt in the Sam Hill...?

Is that right?
  • + 3
 Right on! If I’m not racing, does it really fuggin matter!?
  • + 2
 746 of them is 1hp.

Doesn't seem like such a special amount of free power now, does it?
  • + 6
 Say Watt again. Say WATT again! I dare you. I double-dare you, motherfvker! Say Watt one more time!
  • + 4
 @The-BIG-GT: que?
  • + 1
 @iamamodel: This is perfection
  • + 2
 @Lejla: English, motherfvcker!
DO YOU SPEAK IT?
  • + 2
 250w tube amp? Sure I'll take one for free.
  • + 34
 That's like asking if we want to be stronger riders. Most bicyclists do, even those who aren't willing to work for it. By removing the need for hard work, you ensure even the laziest among us will say yes. And for those who like self-improvement, you can still do even better than this 250-watt leap. I wonder why anyone would say no. Maybe because it would make riding with your current crew boring?

I mean, take the pointy end of the World Tour peloton. Those riders have genetic advantages - they're stronger than most people ever could become with any amount of training. Can we call that cheating? Doubtful. The gift you propose, Levy, is just more obviously given. I'm interested to see where you go with this.
  • - 14
flag mikelevy Mod Plus (Mar 27, 2018 at 0:11) (Below Threshold)
 You wouldn't feel like a cheater if you took the extra power? I know that I would, and I don't even have feelings or a conscious left anymore due to working online Smile

I guess my point is that so many of us talk down about e-bikes in one way or another, including myself, but what if you had the same 250 extra watts that an e-bike can provide but without a motor or anyone knowing what you've done? In other words, it the extra power is there without you having to work for it, just like with an e-bike.
  • + 69
 @mikelevy: That makes no sense. An Extra 250 watts on my legs is not the same as attaching an engine to my MTB. For example, if they are on my legs I am burning more calories if they are on an engine on the bike it is the contrary.
  • + 8
 @mikelevy: So these watts are being offered without the price tag, social ridicule, or weight associated with e-mtb's and I can carry that power over to any of my bikes? I'd have some guilt if I were racing with that advantage, otherwise sign me up.
  • + 70
 @mikelevy: would you take an extra inch?
  • - 1
 @mikelevy: i wouldn't but then im sociopath lol
  • + 5
 @mikelevy: is the power offered to everyone?
  • + 23
 @mikelevy: How is this cheating exactly? It's not like I am in a race or competition. I am just out riding my bike. If I can be stronger then why wouldn't I do this?
  • + 2
 @Grosey: Exactly. If everyone gets it, then it's no longer an advantage.
  • + 28
 @mikelevy: "Would you take the extra watts if they were magically granted to you one day?!"

What a stupid f*cking article.
  • + 15
 @scott-townes: This is stupid a** article. e-bike sales, normalizing BS
  • + 4
 This is like asking a volleyball player: "If you would have been born with the genes to be 20cm taller than you are now, would you feel guilty about that?"

Or like teaching a racer to get up to speed after a climb and then recover instead of recovering before they get up to speed. The time saving is pretty much free, it is more tactics. Should anyone feel guilty about using this tactics.

Or not only hammer the front pedal, but also unweigh the rear pedal (I'm not saying pull). Or basically the skill/efficiency to not only pump out power, but actually put power into the drivetrain.

Reduce aerodynamic drag with posture, clothing and maybe even equipment choice.

There is so much more exciting about mountainbiking, I don't quite get this obsession with output power.
  • + 8
 You ride bikes and generally do sport because you need endorphin, which is a reward you get from your brain for trying hard and making progress. If you get something for free, you will get used to it very soon, this works the same as drugs. So you would ride longer and harder, but this would make you happy only short-term. Then you would get used to it and you would not be happier than before. On the contrary, your progress will slow down, which would rather upset you.
  • + 0
 More Power without more effort = cheating.
  • + 14
 @vinay: It's more like asking super man if he feels bad about being able to fly...

This is officially the dumbest pinkbike article in the history of pinkbike articles, possibly ever.
  • + 4
 @MountainGoatLover: We all know someone that is a gifted off the couch rider; are they cheating?
  • + 1
 @diego-b: how about 250watts in celery sticks?!!
  • + 4
 @mikelevy This is a super slippery slope. On a smaller scale we do this all the time. Hell, lubing your chain gives you more output for the same input. Is lubing your chain cheating? Sure the hyperbole of 250 free watts is meant to make a point but ultimately many of us are indeed trying to get something for nothing. Take a peek at your bike. Is it chock-full of technologies that make it lighter and more mechanically efficient than, say, a 1960's 10-speed? Where do we draw the line?

BUT: in the context of e-bikes this poll is very pertinent. It effectively asks the question: are we all really concerned about land access or is everyone just a little butthurt that someone is "cheating" and "going faster?" Possibly "having more fun?"
  • + 2
 @mikelevy: 'Conscious' might also apply, but I think you meant 'Conscience'

My life has been reduced to online nit-pickery.
  • + 1
 @husstler: just like EPO in the TDF
  • + 4
 @mikelevy:
But what if it was from a reduction in friction made possible by using Dangerous Dan's Magic Friction Reducer? Or if someone found a way to make a fill in the blank> that is 5% more efficient than the next best? Rotor Q Rings anyone?

I just replaced my ancient 531 Reynolds road bike with a Titanium frame bike with an aero carbon fork. Guess what? I set a new personal best on my regular training loop. Dan! You cheating bastard! How dare you use a modern bike instead of the one you bought in 1982?

Who cares if someone else is using some assist? If it doesn't injure ME and it is not used in a "level field" contest, why worry?
  • + 0
 @scott-townes: this is about the average for the quality of pinkbike content anymore. All Good Things always come to an end one day. They have sold their soul to the advertising devils and they get no respect from me anymore.
  • - 3
 @mikelevy: what if one day pinkbike actually wrote 250 articles that applied to your average Rider. Would you read them if everyone knew. Probably not because I have lost faith in your website cuz you have sold your soul to the advertising devils.
  • + 0
 @properp: so leave, no ones gonna miss your dumb comments
  • + 1
 @Skooks.Agree 100%.Could get in so much more riding.
  • + 1
 I think the problem with ebikes is that the motor creates power, whereas a better bike just enables you to use your own power more efficiently. By lubing our chain and riding modern bikes we don't buy a third leg, we just optimize the efficiency of our legs. It's a question of HOW we get that extra power and not about how much we get.
  • + 0
 @Dangerous-Dan: This is a perfect post. I agree 100%.

All the e-bike hate on Pink Bike is sooo absurd. Every cyclist I know and have ridden with over my 30 years of riding mountain bikes has always bragged about finding tech that makes them faster without working harder.

I could not care less about someones desire to use some form of assist (e-bike, Eagle 12x, lift access, shuttling, Carbon bits, dropper, suspension, disk brakes etc...) as it has no impact of how I ride my own bikes. Mind your own damn business and ride what makes you get out more often.

This poll was obviously meant to stir up the ever so boring "e-bikes are cheating" debate once again. And once again the Pink Bike "haters" have come out with the ever so predictable e-bike hate with the same old lame "cheating" arguments. Over it.

I was at my local shop the other day and it was interesting to see how many people were browsing the "pedal assist" section with smiles on their faces. This category of rider and bike is coming quick folks. Like it or not.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: Its not a motor though and its not taking drugs, it's just legit leg power in this situation so why would it be cheating? You still would have to generate the power yourself, you can't compare this to an ebike in my opinion. If I have to generate my max power now vs generating my max power if I had the ability to be 250W higher is still a ton of work. It's like the saying, "it never gets easier, you just go faster". In the ebike scenario it does actually get easier.
  • + 1
 @MountainGoatLover: or skill...
  • + 0
 @Asmodai: you're entitled to your dumb opinion even if it is wrong
  • + 30
 Have a friend who gained a free 250 Watts....to begin with, anyway. Kept it pretty quiet, said it was just a one time thing to help him get over a messy breakup. Smoked everybody on the mountain that day, effortless KOMs on all the hotly contested trails. His eyes were wild and bloodshot pinpricks, spoke almost as fast as he was riding. But he seemed happy enough, so I looked the other way. Before long he was hitting 300 Watts, then 350. Minute long gaps in his KOMs weren't enough, kept chasing that dusty dragon harder and faster, dawn to dusk, sometimes longer. Started taking sick days off work, the lies becoming more and more contrived. Stopped eating, trading kilojoules for Watts. 400. 450. By the time he hit 500, he was unemployed, living out of his car, only the hum of his supercharged carbon dually for company. We intervened and got him into rehab, had him pedalling again for a few months. Looked like things were turning around. Got a new job washing dishes, a passably attractive girlfriend. Started looking like his old self. And then he disappeared. Phone was switched off, no updates on Facebook. Helped his parents staple the missing person flyers around town. Months went by, and I got a call from the police. Some hikers had found my friend deep inside the local national park, two weeks post mortem. The coroner's report said he was running on almost 1000 Watts when he died, and had been riding for almost a week straight, causing his flesh to meld with the carbon fibre frame, the saddle to fuse with the little muscle that remained on his arse. Less than 20 people showed up to the funeral. Don't do Watts.
  • + 2
 Amazing comment friend, well done.
  • + 1
 @warmerdamj: cheers man
  • + 22
 "But if you're an e-bike adversary, you surely can't be okay with having the extra horsepower that my hypothetical situation would supply, can you?"

Yes, I can. Having the extra horsepower will not create any of the trail access issues that e-bikes might/will create. Y'd still be riding a regular mountain bike, not something that some people might, reasonably or not, categorize as a motorbike.

Not saying that I would take the extra horse power, or that doing so would not be cheating, just questioning the suggested comparison between e-bikes and your hypothetical scenario.
  • + 13
 Yeah that statement jumped out at me.... It makes no sense.

"But if you're an e-bike adversary, you surely can't be okay with having the extra horsepower that my hypothetical situation would supply, can you?"

"But if you're an e-bike adversary, you surely can't be okay with being the stronger rider that my hypothetical situations would supply, can you?"

I want to be stronger... therefore.... I must like ebikes?
  • + 2
 I mean, who doesn't want to be a stronger rider?

That doesn't mean its some kind of hypocrisy to think ebikes are a different user group. It also doesn't mean you don't LIKE ebikes.
  • + 0
 and having more power won't allow every jackass in town to access trails usually reserved to the ones commited to the sport, messing the trails and leaving trash behind.
  • + 10
 This question is quite abstract if you think about it, it's like talking about alternate universes and if the Germans won the war.... It's a different way to ask a question about ebikes in a seemingly more philosophical sense. Let's just call a spade a spade please.
  • + 14
 "unearned" says it all. Cheater cheater pumpkin eater.
  • - 2
 Exactly.
  • + 9
 @mikelevy: and @conv3rt: Right, and your current bike isn't like a burst of free wattage compared to a bike from the nineties?
You didn't "earn" your rig except that you paid for it. If you pay for drugs, a motor, or anything else does that make it okay?
Why do you draw the line where you do?
  • + 4
 @taletotell: My wattage comes from my legs which have gotten stronger as a result of hours/years of effort and perseverance. I think the point of the thought experiment is to step forward from a level field using...magic? All other things being equal, an unearned advantage in that regard is a shortcut to success and could be construed as cheating in my view. I'd say the vast majority of the PB membership has access to the same bicycle technology offering performance to suit their desired outcomes. Therefore I would say that buying bikes that are currently available is neither earned nor unearned. Meaning that ability to pay is not the same as earning something (maybe deserving is a better word). My Trek VRX and my Transition Patrol both have cranks, gears and a chain. Their respective ability to move forward under pedaling had more to do with me than with those basic technologies. I don't race by the way but like to do well by my own measuring stick. Did I get your point right?
  • + 3
 @conv3rt: Mostly. Kind of. I may have earned my skill in relation to myself, but not all riders are equal in capacity. Some people are born better than I'll ever be. I ride with far better riders than myself and I enjoy it. I actually don't care if I am ever better than they are.

I guess it comes down to how competitive you are, even within yourself. I'm not competitive. How is there cheating with no contest? In a situation like that the only effect of a sudden magical improvement is my pleasure. Cheating myself the joy of skill building is a cheat I am willing to deal with.
  • + 4
 @taletotell: Yeah, I'd agree that cheating has to rest in some kind of formal competitive context. Like a race. I just watched a CrossFit documentary (no I do not do CrossFit but for some reason I like observing the boundaries of human physical potential) and there is some good discussion around doping and it's place in that contest. Basically says, if you want to dope for fun, it's your choice but once you enter the contest arena, leave it out. They liken it to stealing from the clean competitors. I agree with that principle.
  • + 4
 @taletotell: "Cheating myself the joy of skill building is a cheat I am willing to deal with."

That's a good way to articulate it. Applaud your honesty even if that's not the way everyone wants to go
  • + 3
 Of two evils, I’d rather take 250W than be a judgmental prick with no standards to set up for himself other than setting out for a quest to find idealized virtues among men of this Earth and belittling everyone who doesn’t match. I pedal with the power of my naturally grown legs. Ooooh. Sorry, no medals for that. Nobody cares. Nobody, really.
  • + 1
 @taletotell: I still ride a 2005 Orange and I hope it makes me stronger than riding a bike that weighs 2kg less.
Your argument is hollow unless EVERYONE on this site rides a 2018 carbon bike with top end components.
  • + 3
 Where does the "earning" bit start and stop exactly? If I go on a mountainbike trip in the Alps, do I need to ride my bike halfway through Europe and ride up those mountains or is it sufficient to just take a car or train to the Alps and merely ride my bike up there in order to feel great about myself and hate on all those who take the uplift? Pretty complex matter, this.
  • + 1
 @vinay: I'm not sure I agree with that interpretation. It would depend largely on the context and your personal goals. We can't all live beside the trails and a vacation and a race aren't the same. I suppose you'd have to bring in fairness to round the issue out. Unearned advantage that matters in an organized competition? Also depends in part on the applicable rules. I don't begrudge people driving to trails or taking lifts to the top. Looks like fun. I prefer pedaling because I still can.
  • + 1
 @taletotell: I don’t agree that some people are born better than you will ever be at least with cycling. I have heard that argument before and I hate it people work hard to become good riders. My dad used to get it from people on the trail they would say he has such natural talent. And my dad would say no he’s been riding since 8 and he sucked back then he worked hard and crashed a lot. I do agree with most of what you said and the last sentence was a perfect description of what most people won’t admit.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: you aren’t serious are you? That’s what all the metals are for thats why if they find out that you doped they take the metal away. If nobody cared explain lance or the fact that there are rules against it.
  • + 0
 @loganflores - you may believe what you want. Every overdeveloped sport is dopers sport. Cycling is making a show out of antidoping. It’s a one big farse. A cyclist can’t take half of medicines without a proof from a doctor and needs to be ready to wake up at 6 in the morning and open door to a man that will watch him pee into a container. Meanwhile on FIFA, UEFA, NBA, NFL or NHL game they hit you hard, you can’t walk, they give you a steroid shot so that you can back. It happens on the bench on the field. Even fkng baseballers dope. World is not meant to be a safe space. All developed sports are sick. SICK! They are money making machines.
  • + 0
 @yonibois: ? What are you thinking I mean?
My argument is that anything that is a benefit could be called cheating by someone who doesn't have it. One could say: "Vulcanized rubber tires are for people who can't deal with wooden wheels. Bunch of cheating pansies."
I don't care if you think I cheat. I am not out for a trophy. I don't care about being the fastest. I never promised you I would play by your rules. I don't have to. I am in it for fun. And another 250 watts would certainly help.
It's no surprise that people who don't get that hate ebikes. They think it isn't fair. Well then everyone should walk because the Amish don't like your modern technology and we have to sink to the lowest common denominator.

I don't ebike, but only because I don't think it's as fun. 250 watts of leg power would certainly as to the fun.
  • + 3
 @taletotell: brilliant, I would never have put it better. Some folks are disciplined into playing by the rules and they hate everyone who doesn’t care about imposed social norms of their tribe. They get sooo butt hurt for being obeying servants of the code of conduct. As I said, there are NO medals for earning your turns. Nobody really gives a sht.
  • + 12
 I dont understand .... a huge part of why I like the sports I do is because they hurt.... call me an idiot, but it gives me something to gripe about Wink
  • + 5
 You're an idiot. Love you buddy!!
  • + 4
 @sterlingmagnum: Pain (in this case) makes you stronger. Stronger feels better. Spend pain to buy strength. It's like making a deal with the future.
  • + 9
 @conv3rt: seems like I’ve been negotiating very poorly lately ...
  • + 6
 If you are the type of person who pushes yourself to your limits you will likely still do that even if you had the extra two fifty watts
  • + 10
 @h-beck83: This.

Those who like to pedal like the workout and the feeling of accomplishment. And its that feeling that is cheapened by those who want to 'mountain bike' and buy an e-bike because they are too lazy to earn the turns. (this does NOT include those who have medical conditions but enjoy the sport).

American Disease: The act of getting fat, being lazy, and generally wanting things without having to work for it.
e-bike = American Disease for mountain biking

* Full disclosure: I'm a US citizen, born and raised..
  • + 6
 @Poulsbojohnny: I've got chronic leukemia and feel constantly shagged but NO, I don't want a fcking e-bike.
I want my mates to not fck off on the climbs and to be patient when I need a rest rest half way down the DH.
I want to ride to try to hang on to my fitness, not get FREE watts for bullshit hypothetical philosophical reasons.
  • + 0
 @Poulsbojohnny: I'm French born and raised, living in Canada, but I feel the same as you.
Western societies becomes societies of effortless instantaneity and everything is losing taste and value because of that...
But I think than in a few years, when e-bikes will have become larger, more powerful, heavier and less maneuvrable, they will finally be banned from natural areas, like motorbike, even in Europe.
  • + 1
 @h-beck83: Precisely. I'm a much better and stronger rider than I was last year, or the year before that. I still ride until my legs quit working, it's just that now I cover a lot more distance and it takes longer to hit the wall. Give me another 250 watts and I'm going even further.
  • + 2
 @gnralized: Your thinking is back asswards, they are only going to get lighter, faster and more battery. But I bet the top speed stays the same.
  • - 1
 @whattheheel:
It's your reasoning that just lack elements of reflection/comparison i.e culture.
history just repeat itself
www.pinkbike.com/news/history-and-deception-opinion.html
Every motorized vehicles has just become heavier, faster longer since it's inception in history.
Think motorbikes. Think cars.
Only muscular vehicles tends to become lighter.
For a very simple reason: it is less expensive to get more power than to reduce weight.
You can have lighter batteries but they will cost a lot more. Check tesla for that.
E bikes components are already heavier due to higher kinematic energy of e-bikes, so more power will be needed, so more battery weight, so more robust (heavier) components, etc...
Nevermind the top speed, the speed at which you reach it i.e. acceleration, is not limited.
  • + 2
 @gnralized: I guess we shall see my man!!!
  • + 3
 @gnralized: please call them E mopeds
Only because that's exactly what they are. Modern-day mopeds.
  • + 1
 @whattheheel: Yes, they will become lighter with longer batteries, but I am sure the top speed will also increase. Ebikes currently are mainly used by commuters and there are already S-pedelects with higher top speeds. You need a licence for them and they have to be registered but the industry is already lobbying to change that. Once the commuters get that, there is no reason the eMTBs shouldn’t get that, because how would you know.
  • + 1
 @ibishreddin: haha, which part exactly?
  • + 1
 @yonibois: you rule dude.

truth.
  • + 1
 @mitochris: I think they will just go into different categories and will have law regulations as such.
  • + 7
 My dad has a wacky heart valve. I can smoke him on climbs like nothing, even though he's a much more dedicated athlete than me. In our situation i've gotten the free 250w. I don't feel any guilt or shame, in truth i wish i could give him the same thing. This poll is interesting, but tying it to e-bikes is shitty, and the poll feels manipulative.
  • + 6
 Let's see... assuming that none of us ride fast enough that wind drag is a major issue on the uphill, if I had double the power it means I could tow a Bob trailer with a full keg of chilled beer on it and still keep up with my buddies. I think at the top of a major climb my buddies would be cool with that. I'm in - just to help my buddies out.
  • + 9
 I ride ski-lifts up. 1000hp is a little more than 250w. It's not free though, those lift passes are expensive
  • + 3
 so are drugs. . .
  • + 2
 @taletotell: Yeah, them too Frown
  • + 3
 i've been a track/park rat my whole life.

chairlifts are great.
  • + 7
 I like the fact that this sport is kinda hard and not everyone can do it. I'm not the fastest or strongest but the feeling after a legit epic ride is so good!
  • + 2
 Best "definition" of true mountain bike I have ever read. You are soooo right man...
  • + 1
 @webermtb: thanks man!!
  • + 9
 Pinkbike aka Cambridge Analytica..
  • + 5
 Similar results can/have already be achieved without the ethical dilemna:
1. Get on a horse. Now you have 1 horsepower (740W). And you can ride in Wilderness areas...
2. Compare the bikes of 25 years ago with today's bikes. Weight, suspension, tire design, wheel size, training methods have given us a boost. Maybe not 250W, but something significant!.
  • + 13
 As dumb as this sounds 1 horse actually has 14.9 horsepower.
  • + 2
 @tricyclerider: And people can put out about 5 horsepower!
  • + 3
 @cooperquinn-wy: so I'm hung like 5 horses? Finally something to be happy about!
  • + 1
 @cooperquinn-wy: learn something new everyday!
  • + 3
 @cooperquinn-wy: "people" can? Really? How long can you hold 1200 watts? If you could do it for 15 seconds we'd probably all know your name.
  • + 4
 @mikelevy: This is terrible. A hypothetical wrapped up in some "you'd be cheating" moral crap.

Remove the moral crap wrapping an we've got: Do you want super strength?.... Erm, yes. Why wouldn't I want super strength.

Oh but despite you saying it's not about e-bikes... it's about e-bikes.

PS no, I won't click this poll.
  • + 8
 What would Richie Rude do? #liftmorethanlevy
  • + 8
 f*cking stupid,I deleted Facebook 3 years ago.is pinkbike next?
  • + 4
 Most pointless Pinkbike survey yet!!!

Sort of like:
- if you could fix world hunger, would you?
- if you could win the lottery, would you?
- if you had a genie in a bottle, would you use it?
if, if, if......

The point is, it's not possible! Ebikes (also know as electric motor cycles) however are possible, but are they a good idea?
  • + 1
 Actually, I think this is a close second to every "Good Month, Bad Month" survey. How does mountain biking have a bad month? The Entity of Mountain Biking is constantly satisfied, as long as people are out riding.
  • + 7
 If someone simply donated 1M$ to you and it's completely legal, would you accept it?
  • + 1
 Exactly this - but more like $10,000
  • + 3
 To each their own.

With ebikes, your Strava KOM is probably irrelevant anymore anyway. The only real competition is the voice in your head. Even if you had a ‘free’ 250W, you’d know it. That either matters or it doesn’t.

To each their own.
  • + 3
 The leap to e-bikes here is kinda a stretch. In your scenario, I continue to power the bike by my lonesome, albeit with more power than I should have. In the case of an e-bike, this is clearly not the case. Today I made it up a long climb that I have never made it up before without stopping to rest. This allows me to enjoy the downhill more. Next time, I hope to be in good enough condition that I won't wear out on the down too quickly. The ups have always been very very hard for me despite being decent technically, so I work my ass of to get better at it. I blame being born in Florida and growing up pedaling flat. If you have a medical condition, I think pedal assist bikes are great and let you enjoy the outdoors when maybe you couldn't before. If your medical condition is being lazy, work on it. I saw a guy riding an e-bike around one of my places in central Florida. This is a very technical place but mostly flat with a few punchy climbs. Needing an e-bike on that is just plain sad.
  • + 7
 Oh dude...dumbest poll ever at Pinkbike...
  • + 8
 Fucking pointless post
  • + 3
 Would you accept lottery winnings if you won? You haven't earned it. If you were bitten by a radioactive spider and woke up with a chiseled physique the next day, would you forgo opening that stubborn pickle jar since you didn't go to the gym?
If I was a competitor I wouldn't take the watts, I'd consider that cheating. But I'm not, so I would. To refuse a gift is considered rude in many cultures.
  • + 2
 Mike should be banned from creating polls. Worst poll ever; crosses doping politics with e-bike with a completely hypothetical impossibility. Illegal doping is morally wrong and potentially dangerous, e-bikes on MTB trail system is currently controversial. Morally wrong & potentially dangerous? Maybe (think increased uphill use and right of way). As for free watts... if I could ride with the energy, power and dexterity of 10 years ago that would be great, but it's not worth the medical risk.
  • + 2
 maybe I can finally stop doing coke on rides.

All my friends are like, "hey bud, you should stop doing coke...on bike rides."

i'm like, "well if I could get like, I dunno, about 250 watts for free, maybe I could."

My friends are like, "hey bud, good point."

Until Mike Kazimer's secret lab experiment is awarded a patent and is FDA approved (Mike, hit me up with early samples if you got em), I stand by my coca.
  • + 2
 The poll answers aren't quite right. I answered no, but I don't know if "it would feel like cheating" is the reason. If you asked me if you had a secret ass busting training program that would give me extra watts would I be interested hell yeah. But without paying anything for it violates the laws of God & Man & physics.

One example I use is you can be happily married, or still tom catting around in your middle age. Both have rewards and drawbacks. The people that really lose out are the ones who try and do both ! For every action a reaction. There must be balance in the force.

So its actually a stupid question. Would I like something wonderful without paying a price ? Mythology is full of tales warning of the hell hole of this very mindset.
  • + 5
 If your dick could be twice as big would you do it? No penis pills, no penis pumps, just a twice as big of dick.
  • + 2
 The poll results are funny Big Grin

If I'm not racing and not operating under any arbitrary criteria, hell yes. IF I was competing, in an event where the playing field was assumed to be level, and doping was frowned upon, then no.
  • + 2
 My answer wasn't really up there to choose. It isn't that I think its cheating because I don't think there are rules to riding trails, but rather I love to earn it. The long days in the saddle are amazing when I know that I have worked hard and killed myself in the pre- and early-season so that mid and late season I can hang and push further.

I just like standing on top of the ridge or mountain or whatever the goal is, and knowing that I made that happen, just me, my legs, and my stubborn will. I don't need your charity; so keep your 250 watts, keep your battery, keep your motor...they just won't help me.
  • + 2
 It's a little bit like asking 'would you wear ladies under pants when riding your bike?' but it's your little secret and know one would know.

If you think its right or wrong. Cross dressing is cross dressing even if know one else knows. isn't it?
  • + 5
 I don't compete, I don't chase Strava achievements, I just like to ride. Go longer and go further? Sure! Why the hell not?
  • + 2
 If I had an extra 250W of free power, I would win every bike race I would start. Except of course DH and Enduro. Also, I'm pretty sure that would not be sufficient to make up for my average bike skill in XC. Shit! It would only win me stupid roadie races...
  • + 2
 No, I wouldn't. Because mtbiking is my only excercise: The only one that won't hurt my already hurt knees, the only one I really love, despite the excruciating uphill pedaling and everything. It's a workout, it must (should?) be painful and difficult.
  • + 6
 Nope. But, I would accept 250 grams of PNW kush.
  • + 2
 Yes I’d take the power. The fitter I am the funner riding is for me. I’d love to be able to blast up the hills twice as fast and peg that many more downhills. Yea, an ebike will do that, but it also weighs 45-50 pounds and is illegal on most of the fun trails near my home.
  • + 7
 Sam Hill you legend!
  • + 2
 lol
  • + 6
 Isn't that called a chair lift?
  • + 3
 If you use the word "watt" to talk about biking you should keep to yourself and stop bothering normal people with your lame shit.
  • + 4
 Why is PB trying to normalize electric motorcycles on our trails?? Stop it!!
  • + 2
 You missed so many options, that I'm not even going to vote. Earn your turns, IMO - you'll get the watts that you work for. If your power is lacking, then do something about it.
  • + 2
 Depends.

Racing, hell no.

Riding trails for fun...well, I do have limited time, but I also get out there to sweat and suffer. So probably not.

Riding to the trailhead (or to work)...HELL YES!
  • + 1
 So I wake up with more horsepower? So you are just asking me if I would like to be a bit stronger without doing any work. I’d love to bench 75 more lbs, or make a PBandJ sandwich in 3 seconds instead of a minute. Yes I would love the power.

Hey how’d you get so strong?
I don’t know, I just woke up that way.
  • + 1
 Adding 250W on top of my typical ~150W or so? World cup legs? Heck ya!

Ebikes are pricier, heavier, noisier, quirkier (recharging, maint, power levels, limiters), and that battery is a potential fire hazard. Drugs and working out... meh, you're just renting power. 2.6x my current power, "naturally"? Sure, but I'm kind of worry that I start destroying things if I gain it instantly, rather than gradually, due to lack of control/modulation over the foreign power.
  • + 1
 The cool thing about this electric moped thing is that it made it clear which shops and bike brands to support. If I walk into a bike shop and see they have electric mopeds everywhere, I don't buy a single thing from that shop. If they have even a single electric trail moped I won't consider a major purchase from that shop. Now I can seek out the brands that don't make trail mopeds, and that makes shopping for a new bike easier, less research. There's one legit bike shop in my town which I really respect now and will give all my business to due. A real bike shop.
  • + 2
 Sadly the electrification of our sport is here, driven by big money manufacturers. Pinkbike gets paid for these, they are now the largest, most paid mt. Biking social media site!
  • - 3
 Who the hell said PB is angling to cover e-bikes? The gist is that a lot of us (but not everyone) shit on e-bikes, but what if you could have e-bike abilities without out the motor? Would you take it?

Do you wear multiple tinfoil hats at once, or just one really big tinfoil hat? Just curious. I'm probably the biggest e-bike opponent on PB, and I don't want to see them here on this website. To be honest, I don't care who rides what, motor or not, but I do believe that e-bikes should be covered elsewhere because they're not mountain bikes.

Jeez, it was a simple (and poorly worded, it seems) question about whether you'd take an extra 250 watts. I wanted readers to question their dislike of e-bikes because, if you'd take the free extra power, how can you shit on e-bikes? I would not take the extra power, just for the record, and I also wouldn't ride an e-bike.
  • + 2
 I just like riding. If I can get another 250W without strapping 10KG into my BB cluster, I am all for it.
Can't we just focus on getting out in the woods and having fun? It doesn't have to be the tour de France.
  • + 1
 How about when your testing a 10 thousand dollar superbike passing people on 10 year old clunkers. Do you not pass? Do you tell yourself that your "testing" and so it's OK to blow by them because of how much lighter your bike is, or how much more efficient the linkage, or on the way down because your on brand new tires with excellent grip and the breaks are so supple to just barely bleed off speed to correct the bikes angle into the next burm or because your suspension is state of the art and totally dialed?
  • + 1
 I think the question is can you later feel well on your rides again with 250 Watts less... because once I’ve been a xc guy when I stopped training that much I had to pause a few yeas because riding was so funless... later with enduro it got better again...
  • + 1
 To me cheating assumes there was ever a level playing field. That is the crux of the modern sports and its ideaology of “drug free”. This does not account for widely ranging base hormone levels due to genetics, yet those qualities given innately seem to count for more. I am not the only one to elude to this idea here, but it really brings up the philosophy of what is an equal playing field.
  • + 1
 I would also vote for the ability to fly like superman, eat and never get fat, drink and never gut hung over, speed without repercussions, smoke without getting cancer, take drugs without getting hooked, or listen to people whine about "new standards" without wanting to punch them.
  • + 1
 This is super bizarre. No where in the article does it say anything about competing or racing. If it doesn't involve any sort of competition then how on Earth would it be considered cheating?

That's like someone asking a person who's walking to work "Hey, would you like a lift in my car to work?" and the walker replying back, "No way man, that's CHEATING!"

If this hypothetical extra 250 watts had no ill effect on my health and it doesn't involve a motor then WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU SAY NO???

That's why this whole thing is bizarre to me.
  • + 3
 i inherited amazing genes that give me at least a 300 watt advantage over the average genes. i feel guilty about it every day of my life
  • + 4
 I gained 250 watts with this ONE easy trick. Now doctors hate me and I meet hot singles in my area!
  • + 1
 In my opinion @mikelevy the question is structured slightly incorrectly. What does this mythical 250gs of the good shit give you. Speed, endurance, distance?. So does gravity, trail condition and structure. So the answer is would you have more gravity, better (smoother?) conditioned trails, and easier ups. Course you would, and the evidence is in the growth of bike parks, and groomed trails, and inclusive all in big mtbing that has caused investment to move to provide such facilities, and public land managers to shut stuff down, and tell the masses if they want this, to move private. This supports the industry, and effectively your pay packet through that.

So what is the answer. We want steeper hills, more cultured terrain, more impost on the nature, effectively. There is a PB petition soon. Get on it. Collect the data, harvest and mine through it, see the momentum, sell the results to the industry, then spruik their new season offerings.

The cycle spins, the circle is complete, the Steeper 250 Enduro is designed, manufactured, constructed, marketed and shipped. There is your 250g of the marching powder, and you are the salespeople. Read the adverts, the advantage, the revolution, the step change, the evolution. Each and every year.

#pushermen
  • + 1
 are you talking about an alternative energy source like recuperative elastic energy? or are you talking about a more efficient suspension system some of witch drive the wheel forward upon compression? i would say the former is not a traditional bicycle while the latter has the force still go though the pedals.
  • + 1
 If I could have a free 250w, that didn't piss off hikers and threaten trail access, and that didn't make my bike handle like shit, sure why not?

But that isn't the world we live in. You can take your intentionally-divisive push-poll and shove it up your ass.
  • + 1
 I ride a Nomad3 that weighs 30+ lbs. I currently weigh 215 lbs (drank more than my fair share of whole milk growing up). I don't particularly like climbing as gravity is not too friendly to me on the ups due to these factors and my fitness (or lack there of). With that said, the feeling I get after putting myself through the painful climbs is the pain of progress, it's earned. 2 weeks ago I went riding with a group from my local LBS and got my pants pulled down on the ups. I will catch up to them by years end and hang, without roids or an electric motor.
  • + 2
 I commute to work, so heck yeah, I'd love to get here faster and less tired on the 5th ride of the week. Mountainbiking? Well, I kinda like the burn and sleeping like a hibernating bear.
  • + 1
 I wouldn't for a simple reason: I ride/train to have fun and being fitter/faster is a consequence of it. If I get faster it will be because I'm doing it right or because I'm being able to ride more. My goal is to have fun and feel good, not to be faster. therefore, going faster for a "dark" reason would have no sense.
  • + 4
 This makes no sense to me. Feels like pink bike is working to justify and promote e bikes with a confusing article
  • + 4
 Nope I'm not biting, but if you could magic away my paunch then i'd sign up straight away Wink
  • + 1
 You didn't say what the weight penalty would be. Being as I am not racing in any organized competition I wouldn't consider it cheating and I could get more laps in during my lunch hour rides. But if it means strapping an extra 10 pounds to my bike or body I will pass thanks.
  • + 3
 Are we talking 250 watts of 1s, 5s, 30s, etc. power? 250 watts on the ol' FTP? Increasing all measures across the board by 250 watts? Those are all very different things.
  • + 1
 What I want is to see where I measure up to other people; where my hard work puts me in the skill-stack of other cyclists. I certainly wouldn't take the 250 watts initially, and I would do my damnedest to make sure it didn't become standard. But if it did, and the only way to see how I measure up was to take those watts, I guess then I'd be in.

So yeah, it's obvious where the pressure to dope comes from. Shitty situation for everyone involved. It's sad to think that those with flexible morals can drag the rest of us along if we're competitive enough.
  • + 1
 250 additional watts at any time and for any length of time would make even the most average riders into world class athletes. That would be hard to explain to your friends who were dropping you last week. It's likely that an average sized rider, with an average FTP could ride at the world cup level. Kind of a cool topic, definitely a devils advocate kind of subject...
  • + 2
 I think people aren't understanding the scale here. Typical trained amateur rider's FTP is in the 250-300w range; with this mythical free 250w, one could ride over 500w all day, easily. I doubt Nino could do that - in essence Levy is asking if you could "cheat" and become the greatest of all time, would you? Again, keep in mind even the most juiced-up roadie is probably only adding 15-20w of ill-gotten power. If your effective FTP was over 500w, you could win the TdF without really trying.

Like any contrived moral dilemma, the question falls apart when you try to pin down specifics. Are we talking about something illegal? Against existing race rules? Or just some secret training plan that no one else knows about [yet], but that would make you basically super-human? Am I even competing against anyone (we would be talking about, basically riding the speed you currently do without ever getting tired)?
Will it harm me, long term?
  • + 3
 If we are talking some sort of hypothetical super power then I would rather have the power to not get injured.
  • + 4
 What is this nonsense? I'm not clicking the poll.
  • + 3
 If I sleep with the babysitter and no one finds out (possibly including her), is it still cheating?
  • + 2
 I don't get the 'cheating' word? Use of the word in this context. Cheating is an advantage in a competition or test, not riding up a hill by myself.
  • + 2
 Who's got the time!? I'm just trying to exercise enough so I don't have to drink less beer or eat less cheese. Speaking of which, I gotta go. Mmmmmm, Brie.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: what if you were told you were given an extra 250 watts of power and you accepted, except you weren't really give the extra watts, but because of the placebo effect you were still hella faster...
  • + 0
 I wouldn't accept.
  • + 5
 YES because Strava
  • + 0
 Any Garmin Strava results can be changed to whatever you want it to with a black market app. No 250 Watts needed to get that k o m just a program to cheat with.
  • + 3
 If a MTBer hucks a sic whip in the woods and there's no one around to yell "yeah boy" did the sic whip really occur?
  • + 4
 i would rather have 250cc of extra sac for the downhills!!!!
  • + 5
 Slow news day eh.
  • + 0
 I recently moved to Florida and an older gentleman showed up to a group ride on an ebike. The trails are mostly sand so it's not like he was going to tear up the trails. He certainly didn't leave anyone in the dust, and I genuinely think the ebike just helped him keep up with the group, although I have no idea what power mode or setting he was using. After the ride I thought it certainly would be nice for my dad to be able to keep up with me. Then again, I recently saw in one of the latest issues of a motorcycle magazine that Yamaha just released their own ebike...
  • + 3
 If you could give me the ability to manual for add long as I like I'd take that. I'm shit at it
  • + 1
 Have you tried keeping up with your Cat 1 buddies on casual rides? I would take this, plus the hidden (or hell, not hidden) motor, then I will likely still not keep up with those freaks!
  • + 2
 I've had insomnia for 4 years. It doesn't affect the number of times I go riding but it often affects the quality of said ride. So I clicked yes.
  • + 1
 I dont care about the extra power. But get me somering that would take away any possibility of injury or pain in the body from riding or working to much and I'm on it in a heart beat!
  • + 1
 I wouldnt do it. I won a few xc races back in the day & that meant a lot to me. I love the reward of going fast & physical effort. if it wasnt easy I wouldnt be interested.
  • + 2
 The whole point of cycling is to earn it. Anybody doing otherwise can justify it to themselves however they like, they’re still a tool.
  • + 4
 Do you have a long beard, old robe, stand on Hecklers rock the in Whistler with Bible in your hand and shout “REPENT!!!” at everyone on the lift?
  • + 1
 @Rucker10 LOL! That might be your point but it's hardly the "whole" point or everyone's point.
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: That sounds like something that would actually happen on the rock. Rampage Jesus was pretty funny too!

"You must repent for your sins, tithe me all your liquor and women" - Rampage Jesus
  • + 3
 Waki I love you but if anybody here would end up shouting from a pulpit it’d be you.
  • + 2
 And you and I both know there’s no robes allowed on the rock.
  • + 2
 Who would say no to that seriously? That's like asking "hey, do you want to have more fun?"
  • + 3
 This is one half baked question
  • + 1
 Troll me a river, gonna turn my dirt jumper into an e-troll jumper so I can clear this without having to touch tires to nonsense.
  • + 3
 Wow this is total garbage.
  • + 3
 I'll rather exchange it for being able to jump fest series jumps
  • + 3
 WTF is watts? Go ride your bike
  • + 2
 Give me the extra 250W and nobody would notice because I suck that bad right now.
  • + 1
 Wow, do you have nothing better to do than become an internet troll? Come on pinkbike, lets keep it real. I love this sport, trolling just cheapens this site...
  • + 3
 I ride a Taniwha, is that cheating?
  • + 2
 kinda the opposite!
  • + 1
 I'd do it for the fun and the added fitness you get. I didn't design and build my bike, and compared to a nineties machine it is like a dose of free wattage, so yes. DUH
  • + 3
 I watched a fellow on a fat e-bike ride off the ferry yesterday. It was hilarious! He pedaled 2 or 3 times and then the bike was going 15mph. They make motorcycles wait until the riders clear the ramp, so I got to watch him pedaling UPHILL leaving the ferry terminal. he was pedaling very slowly, basically making the cranks move enough to engage the motor. And doing an easy 15-20 mph - Uphill. I'm pretty sure he wasn't getting fit in any way.
  • + 1
 @Poulsbojohnny: swimming is good exercise. ????
Not everyone for it the same thing.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy next poll question: if you could sleep with anyone and your significant other would never find out you cheated, would you?
  • + 1
 Hell yeah - wouldn't go race, but it sure would be nice to fit in two laps instead of one in an hour, or for that matter go 5 hours instead of 3 without getting an e-bike.
  • + 3
 Life becomes boring when you take the struggle out of it.
  • + 2
 Fuck you electric piece of crap, unless your not able and it can allow you the same freedom of an abled body
  • + 2
 Where is the poll option to vote that this poll sucks ass and I want 5 minutes of my time back?
  • + 1
 I don't race, so what does it matter if no one knows?
Add 250W and you just increase my base speed. I'm still going to try just as hard to go faster for longer.
  • + 1
 This is lame -

1) Because it's clickbait.
2) Because it's poor thought experiment - Free in this context doesn't really exist. It's being paid for somewhere.
  • + 2
 the current vote totals are a perfect vinette for what's wrong with our culture.
  • + 1
 If I still raced, I feel its cheating. But since Im not competing, hell yeah. You'd be cheating yourself out of better rides if you didn't take it.
  • + 2
 Typical PB drivel ... More DH edits please. Shit, any edit is better than this.
  • + 0
 Oh this is no different than graduating from a heavy box store bike to a proper MTB. The gain is probably equivalent to 250w. Anyone who rides a bike that doesn't come from Walmart is cheating otherwise .
  • + 3
 Can you make it a bundle with the penis enlargement one plz?
  • + 3
 I like riding less and having weak legs. I hate ebikes
  • + 1
 The thing that people always forget about is that when you're that much faster, you quickly run out of people to ride with...
  • + 3
 I propose nobody else answers this poll.
  • + 2
 is it not what's happening on the EWS ? we no control you can get 250 w the same way, and nobody will realize it !
  • + 1
 Well I dont race so its not cheating. I dont have time to work out 8 hours a day like actual athletes do, so give me some magic or whatever.
  • + 1
 The thought of extra power is nice.....but i ride up cause I love lots of tacos and ride down cause I love it. If I was shuttling I'd be too fat to ride a bike period.
  • + 1
 250 watts is like a vape device. just little clouds... i dont think 250 watts is enough to get me to a podium, ill just keep pedaling, and vaping lol
  • + 1
 50-100watts. Smaller batteries. Less additional weight. This is what I'll take. E-Mtb is swinging for the fences, when all that is needed is a little crutch occasionally
  • + 3
 How is it cheating when it's just me in the woods?
  • + 3
 Gemini Cricket is watching you
  • + 2
 More interested in how. Don't wanna leave the riding friends behind but for racing..
  • + 1
 Where is the answer “no, I want the satisfaction of earning my extra power and enjoy the process, kinda sorta even the almost puking on the spin bike in the winter “?
  • + 2
 Riding for fun? Sure. Racing? No. Can't enjoy a win if you know you cheated.
  • + 3
 Keep your power, I'll the ability to do a wheelie instead.
  • + 3
 Stupid!
  • + 1
 Is this some sort of weird strawman, to prove some point you're not gutsy enough to fully get behind?
Or data-mining?
  • + 2
 If they had a simple “No” response I would have chosen that one.
  • + 1
 I think having a 600w ftp would be a bit suspicious during competition... Big Grin
  • + 1
 They should add "this is a stubid poll" option to see how many would have press on it, you would be amazed...
  • + 1
 I don't get it, how would this even occur in this hypothetical situation? If there's no motor or drugs does it just happen?
  • + 2
 Aliens, definitely aliens...
  • + 1
 where's the option for: if everyone get the same freebie,would you go for it?
  • + 2
 Worst thing I have ever read on here. And that’s saying something
  • + 1
 I'm still gonna put the same amount of effort in I'm just going to going a speed boat load faster
  • + 2
 I'd take it if it were 28.99 watts.
  • + 1
 We already bent over for $10k bikes, what’s another 240watts up the yahoo!!
  • + 1
 Does it make me having more fun on my bike? absolutely not then it not worth even thinking about
  • + 1
 the only thing wrong with ebikes is the weight and limiting the watts you can get out. Bunch of oussies complaining.
  • + 1
 I find it highly offensive that pinkbike would post a picture of someone preparing to dope up on a "family! friendly" sight
  • + 1
 Somebody should be fired for this...... or at least have to clean the toilets
  • + 1
 Whats wrong with getting a free 250 watts? We watch guys like that on TV all the time and call them talented athletes.
  • + 1
 What about "Would you drug your riding buddies to steal 250 of their watts?"
  • + 2
 I'd take it and still NOT win a local xc race. SquamishSucksDontGo
  • + 1
 Cue the e-bike whingers saying they would have the extra power, but not understanding the irony of it all.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy if you could get 250 cost free donuts. Would you eat them all or share?
  • + 2
 Eat them all.
  • + 2
 It's not cheating unless you're competing
  • + 2
 I clicked and now I feel dirty. Where's the unclick button?
  • + 1
 Lesson to all : Ask dumb question, get the most responses of any other PB survey in history.
  • + 2
 Who am i cheating? If i aint racing why not
  • + 2
 Pretty sure Sam Hill said yes.
  • + 2
 Ill take all the drugs you got for those 250 whatts
  • + 3
 This article has AIDS
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 why not asking for a full 1Kw?
250w = +/- 0.33hp! the EXC starter has more power!
  • + 3
 clearly you've never ridden with someone on an ebike. 250w assistance turns anyone into kuhlavy, even on a 40lb bike.
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 @scottzg: no and i'll never ride with those f*ckers. for motor I ride +25kw 2 wheels... 0.25w with pedals is so 80s moped!!!!!
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 250w is not worth thinking about. I would prefer 250wHrs....for 3hrs that would be OK for a long Enduro ride.
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 craziest shit ive seen in this website
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 Struggling to see the value in asking this question... someone's doing some clever market research on us
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 I would take it AND then ride an ebike up vertical slopes.
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 but what if suddenly everyone that has every sit butt on a bike before gets an extra 250 too. Is it cheating then?
  • + 3
 lets just ride bikes
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 Fuck this clickbaity internet bullshit, this post is trash.
  • + 1
 Shit I’d take the 250 after I get home from a crush my face ride so I could stay up to pace at home.
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 I can outride my boss uphill or down under any conditions and he knows it. That's enough for me Wink
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 i have no clue how an extra 250 watts would even feel... idk what to compare a watt to
  • - 1
 Try riding an e bike
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 No comment
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 Paradox
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 @emptybox: .
Perplexing Paradox
  • + 1
 Tell me it's BEER!!! Please God tell me it's BEER!!!
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 For sure!!! This world would be much more rad if we had a few Greg's!!!
  • + 1
 Lol you still will suck at going fast downhill so I won’t mind
  • + 0
 Where's the "I don't need the extra 250. You need it to keep up with me" check box.
  • + 1
 What use does this Pol have to our sport?? And in first page??
  • + 1
 Magic does exist- we've known about it for years.
  • + 1
 What about riding ebike AND doping? Now that would be quick!
  • + 0
 I measure leg strength by veins not watts
  • + 0
 TEAM ROBOT WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUU?
  • + 0
 How do you know I haven't already???
  • + 0
 I would rather have $250 and read this crap!
  • + 0
 With greater power comes with greater responsibility.
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 Dislike
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 Makes enough power to break chains. Nuff sad.
  • + 0
 257 watts would be amazing!
  • + 0
 Why don't you ask that loser Lance Armstrong.
  • - 1
 Lance #Dopestrong
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 GIMME IT ALL !!!!! I’ll send everything lol @theminsta
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 You would take it if it made you brain dead?
Or do you just want an e bike?
  • + 0
 I would care about this but I'm too busy being hetero
  • + 0
 250 w from who? a stranger? no way.
  • + 0
 NAW BRUH!! I am already bad ass!
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 No... I'm old fat and slow and I am not about to e-bike anything ever.
  • - 1
 what a load of bolloks,,.. id rather take a shit load of winstrol and nandrolone tbh....... .
  • + 0
 For a select few, it's called genetics.
  • - 1
 I would take it if I never planned on racing again. But since race is life can't be cheating.
  • + 0
 This is gonna be good... get's popcorn.
  • + 0
 Whut?
Have I missed something?
I really do t get this
  • + 0
 ugh...this article, and the comments under it are so boring. next
  • + 0
 With an extra 250w I would peak at +1kw, not sane.
  • + 0
 Magically become stronger? Yes I would..
  • + 0
 E moped is not a bike, heavy hunk of ????
  • + 0
 Want to know what saving 250 watts feels like? Ride a 22lb hard tail.
  • - 1
 I want 250 extra watts on top of my e bike watts on top of juicing watts on top of no training.
  • + 0
 Bring it on! Gonna be high AF!!! Don’t Bogart it, bro.
  • + 0
 e bikes, more shit to break, go wrong and maintain. No thanks
  • - 1
 Cool hypothetical question... more laps and less back ache, OK!
  • + 0
 Homer!
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 bunk pole
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 sing us up!
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 GET LIT OR DIE TRYING!
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 2450 people cant be wrong...they secretly want an e-bike Big Grin
  • - 1
 Such a gay poll
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