Production Privée's Adjustable Sweep Grips and Cockpit - Review

Jun 28, 2017 at 11:07
by Mike Levy  
Production Priv e


Handlebars, grips, and stems don't usually make for exciting review fodder, especially when the stems are short and the handlebars are wide; there's just not much to say. A lot of companies offer all those components, but Production Privée has designed their aluminum LGB 780 handlebar, R2R enduro stem, and especially their CR35 grips, to be used together thanks to easy to sight alignment markings.

While that in itself isn't all that special or uncommon, the CR35 grips feature an eccentric bore that, by rotating them on the handlebar, allows riders to adjust the effective back-sweep and up-sweep by +/- 1º without having to rotate or swap out the handlebar.

But what, if any, is the benefit of being able to easily adjust back-sweep and up-sweep? Time to find out.


Production Privée Stem, handlebar, Grip Details

• CR35 grips w/ eccentric bore to adjust back/up-sweep +/- 1º
• Alignment marks on grips, handlebar, stem
• CR35 grips: 31mm or 33mm diameters, 133mm length, single inboard clamp, laser eteched markings
• R2R stem: 50mm or 65mm lengths, 31.8mm clamp, side clamp bolts, laser eteched markings
• LGB 780 handlebar: 780mm width, 7075 T6 alloy, 25.4mm/1'' rise, 5º up-sweep, 8º back-sweep
• Weight: LGB 780 handlebar - 320-grams, R2R stem - 159-grams
• MSRP: CR35 grips - €24.92 , LGB 780 handlebar - €54.17, R2R stem - €74.17 (all w/o VAT)
www.production-privee.com


Design

Production Priv e
Production Priv e
There's no excuse for not having everything lined up evenly if you're running this cockpit.



CR35 Grips - With an off-center bore that allows for adjustable up-sweep and back-sweep, Production Privée's CR35 grips are the real talking point of the trio. The company says that the design mimics the pattern of the iconic Dunlop CR65 Formula One tire from a time before slick - or the grooved rubber of 1999 to 2008 - tires were the norm. And while a grip made to resemble an F1 tire from decades ago doesn't automatically mean that it's going to provide more purchase than anything else out there, the soft rubber compound (also lifted from car racing tires, they say) does feel quite forgiving.


Production Priv e
The pattern is modeled after the Dunlop CR65 Formula One from many decades ago.


The CR35's party trick is their eccentric bore that allows for four different positions by rotating them on the handlebar: #1: -1º back-sweep, 0º difference to the up-sweep; #2: 0º difference back-sweep, +1º up-sweep; #3: adds 1º back-sweep, 0º up-sweep; #4: 0º difference to the back-sweep, -1º reduction up-sweep. And while laser etched markings on both the handlebar and grips make for easy alignment for all four of those settings, riders can rotate the grips to any position they like between each of the four options.


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A single inboard lock-on collar clamps them onto the handlebar, and the soft, closed rubber end negates the need for bar plugs. Total length measures 133mm, and the CR35 grips can be had in either 31mm or 33mm diameters.



R2R Enduro Stem - There's not much to talk about when it comes to short stems; yeah, it's rigid because it's short, silly. No, it didn't break. Aaaand done. There's a bit more to touch on when it comes to the R2R stem, however, besides that it's short, rigid, and didn't break. Production Privée says that they first forge the stem to 70-percent completion, after which it's pulled out and put in the CNC machine to be finished off, a process that the company says makes for a stronger finished product.


Production Priv e
Production Priv e
The racing strips are for both style and setup.



The stem's shape, and particularly it's raised side profile, has been inspired by the old Corvette Stingray, Production Privée claims, and the steerer clamp bolts are located on the side of the body rather than the back so they don't put gaping puncture wounds in your knees. Because it's a 0-degree rise stem, there's no point in flipping it upside down if you're looking to lose some height, and the alignment markings on the body wouldn't line up with those on the handlebar if you did. The 156-gram stem has a stack height of 36mm, clamps 31.8mm diameter handlebars, and is available in 50mm (shown here) and 65mm lengths.


LGB 780 Handlebar - You won't find any carbon components in Production Privée's catalog, and especially not when you get to their four handlebar offerings that are all built using 7075 T6 DB aluminum. The LGB 780 is, you guessed it, 780mm wide, has 25.4mm of rise, and sports a fairly common 5º up-sweep and 8º back-sweep shape. It's made to interface with the CR35 grips, however, with laser etched witness markings that ensure, so long as you're not blind, that the grips are oriented correctly. Standard grips can also be used, of course. There are also alignment markings for your controls, and in the middle to ensure it's centered and rolled correctly when clamped by the stem.
Production Priv e

As far as wide aluminum handlebars made for a spot of rowdy riding go, it's a pretty reasonable 320-grams. That's nowhere near as feathery as some carbon fiber options, sure, but there are plenty of riders who don't give a toss about weight when it comes to the handlebar they're holding onto.



Performance

The stem, handlebar, and grips are all well and good on their own, but with alignment marks that line up each component to the next, and the off-center bore of the CR35 grips, Production Privée has definitely designed all three to be used together. So that's what we did. Setup is a no-brainer, as you'd expect, although it'd be nice to see the stem's steerer clamp bolts require the same tool as the handlebar clamp - one asks for a 5mm hex key and the other a 4mm. That's probably a bit nitpicky, though.

Together as a package, I have to say that the Production Privée cockpit looks damn good. The black finish and racing stripe alignment marks on the stem and handlebar look simply awesome to me, and it's certainly more class than flash in my eyes.

All of us can get a handlebar lined up correctly without a bunch of laser etching to help, of course, but the many alignment marks on the stem and handlebar make this job even easier. And, when it does come time to remove one of the parts for whatever reason, getting it back to exactly where it was is a cinch, just so long as you were paying attention before you took the part off. It's a lot nicer than using a white-out pen to do the same thing.
Production Priv e
The CR35 grips are comfortable, and their collar-less rubber ends won't irritate the outside of your palm.

As far as the LGB 780 handlebar and R2R stem go, there's nothing to moan about. The stem feels like a quality bit of kit, its side-mounted clamp bolt won't rip your knee open, and both components look as nice today as they did when they were installed six months ago. But what about those grips and their crazy adjustable sweep feature, you ask? Well, it turns out that there's certainly something to it.

First and foremost, they're actually very comfy, with enough cushion that it doesn't feel like you're holding onto an aluminum baseball bat attached to a paint mixer, but not so soft that your hands sink into them. The rubber compound is also as grippy as it needs to be, and the pattern never felt harsh to my soft hands. The single, inboard lock-on collar makes a lot of sense, especially for riders who tend to let their hands move out to the edge of their grips.


Production Priv e
This setup might be the most OCD-friendly of all the setups.


For the first six months, the CR35 grips were set to the 0º difference back-sweep and +1º up-sweep position, a setting that felt natural and neutral. After that, we did a few experiments that involved closed eyes and rotating the grips on the handlebar until they felt ideal in this blind test; not actually riding down the trail, of course. And, lo and behold, they ended up in a different and, surprisingly, even more natural feeling setting at 0.5º up and back every time we did the experiment. In other words, the 0.5º position was the most natural. The difference between the four clearly marked settings is very noticeable, and while we didn't expect much of a change since we've all gotten used to just running whatever sweep numbers that the handlebar sports (which can be altered by rolling the handlebar in the clamp), it turns out that Production Privée's strange grips are actually pretty useful.


Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesProduction Privée's stem, handlebar, and grips are far from the lightest or flashiest on the market, but they're all well thought out and scream quality to me. The adjustable CR35 grips also surprised me as being useful as a tool to fine tune how your cockpit feels. Yes, we can all use a normal set of grips, but it turns out that the stock, go-to sweep numbers on the market may not always be ideal for everyone. The grips won't be for everyone, either, but they do offer a unique and effective fit solution for some riders. Mike Levy

93 Comments

  • + 55
 I like to turn one of my buddies grips 180 degrees when he isn't looking and wait for the inevitable tree hit.
  • + 33
 Love the idea. Love the markings.

now if we get a key to align steerers and stems I'll be a happy rider.


"although it'd be nice to see the stem's steerer clamp bolts require the same tool as the handlebar clamp - one asks for a 5mm hex key and the other a 4mm. That's probably a bit nitpicky, though." Not nitpicky at all!! totally a pet peeve.
  • + 43
 I can't believe there isn't a line on fork steerers and stems yet. That would take the OCD out of aligning the stem and tire... at least for me. PROGRESS!!
  • + 8
 @IceCreamRider: That's actually a simple and brilliant idea. However, until bike companies can figure out how to get us to pay for it, I doubt we'll see it.
  • + 3
 I don't think I ever mess with the steerer clamp bolts and the handlebar clamp in a single go. Maybe more important would be to have the stem cap bolt and stem clamp bolt to be identical and then to have the steerer clamp bolts and all that's mounted to the handlebar (brakes, shifter etc) to be tightened with similar bolts.
  • + 3
 At least not all the bolts are stupidly small
  • + 3
 @IceCreamRider: that's because there is nothing really straight on a bike. it's all out of align by a millimeter or so.
  • + 3
 @VtVolk: Specialized put one in the original Fatboy. Take off the top cap and there's alignment markings.
  • + 7
 If you measure though, you'll find that many of the handlebar "alignment markings" are a mm or two off.
- just sayin'
And I'm not fully OCD but I become one when I tinker with bikes...
  • + 1
 @vinay: when you build a bike do you only install one component per day?
  • + 3
 @IceCreamRider: Not a bad idea. I'm trying to think of the easiest way to make precise markings of our own with white permanent markers and the like.
  • + 8
 Just put a straight-edge or level across your stantions (resting on the arch) and set your bars to it. Perfect every time.
  • + 1
 @dingus: No but when I wrench on my bike, I use more than one tool.

I do see the advantage of not having to switch tools when working on a single process. Like adjusting the headset. Or when setting the angle of the handlebar (and compensating the shifter etc for that). But it is just not practical to have a single interface. Either some bolt heads are going to be too small for the torque you're going to apply or some are going to be clumsy big.
  • + 15
 I love it when I put on a new stem and I swear that it's perfectly straight, but then the next time I grab my bike it's off by a lot. It's like my eyes were crooked the day I installed it.
  • + 2
 @mikelevy: Exactly! Looks straight with one eye closed but not both open.

Sometimes I fuss with it for far too long, but then I can get up from a crash, bang the bars back in line and they feel perfect... until the next ride.
  • + 3
 @WaterBear: You getta a freakin' laser beam. Align it with your stem using some rubber bands, and then shine it down on your tire, until it aligns with the middle of the tire contact patch. It's pretty easy really.
  • + 6
 @allballz: is it too much to ask for a stem with freakin' laser beams attached to it head!?
  • + 1
 If this really is that important, get a dual crown fork with a direct mount stem and drop the travel down to whatever you need. And because you're back to a straight 1 1/8" steerer you can go pretty wild with the anglesets too Smile .
  • + 2
 @allballz: I wouldn't trust the tyre as reference. Use the crown of the fork.
  • + 1
 @ThomDawson: i've been wanting something like this to zap runners out of the way for years. Until then, I'll stick with the cow bell.
  • + 1
 I seem to get a consistently better alignment by looking at how my handlebars line up with my crown rather than looking at how my stem lines up with my tire.
  • + 1
 @allballz: That's pretty effective. I like it.
  • + 19
 Let me just get this out of the way now...

***asshat comment about stem spacers***

Okay awesome now lets move on and talk about the product...
  • + 13
 or smart move to keep the steerer long enough to maximize reselling and fitment on more bikes...
  • + 1
 @literally: no way could my bike look like that.... I'm with 2bigwheels... I'll lose $500 on resale to not look like a total buster out there.
  • + 6
 It's also because these guys do lots of testing of different height stems and bar rises so if they want to keep their ride height the same, they need to be able to slide a stem up and down.
  • + 2
 @literally: I wish my Pike steerer tube was that long. Intense cut it way to short at the factory. Id like to be able to have more than 2 spacers under my stem. My only complaint about my 2016 Tracer.
  • + 18
 @eswebster: if you're too busy looking at people's steerer tube instead of riding, then it would appear that you're the buster. Personally, I couldn't care less how other's bikes are setup, or how they look. If they like it, that's just fine with me. And I thought road cyclists were prudes.
  • + 4
 @BaldBilly: you could get higher rise stem and handlebar. renthal fatbar 40 mm rise ?
  • + 1
 @eswebster: go back to road
  • + 6
 I keep the steerer tubes a bit long on most of the test bikes - never know what bike the fork may eventually go on. I agree that it doesn't look good, though.
  • + 1
 Very true. Recently changed frames and the new one has a 10mm longer head tube. Sooo happy I kept a bit of steerer in reserve.
  • + 1
 @tremeer023: if you swap frames and your fork steerer is rather short , then you might get away with low stack stem like funn funnduro.
  • + 5
 And the First world problem of the year in cycling Award, goes to the man bummed about a bicycle steerer tube being too long. Judges were parted on this one, after all he had to beat the man who couldn't find ceramic bearings fitting his sons fidget
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: no sense in even having the spinner if it doesnt run ceramic... Bro.
  • + 2
 @2bigwheels, the nominees were:

1. Woman who got angry at her boyfriend for looking annoyed while he was changing tube in her flatted tyre.
2. Man who saw too long steerer tube in Mike Levy's bike and he didn't like it.
3. The Collective for Maintaining True Values of Real Mountain Biking" for not liking 29" wheels that weren't mounted to their bike, that they will never be forced to buy, on a race they were not taking part in, bummed for other racers whose names they have never heard of, for being at completely assumed disadvantage, while maintaining opinion that smaller wheels are better. The Award Academy did their best to shorten the text of this nomination, but as with all wheelsize debates, cutting it short is impossible. At least without use derogatory terms about homosexuals. The Academy does not support such social attitudes.
4. Man who couldn't obtain Ceramic SpeedTM bearings for his sons Fidget aka Spinner trick competition.
5. A person who writes average of 12000 words in angry comments on a biking site everyday.

I tried... I really hoped that the case of not liking theories about supposed advantages of strapping pieces of metal to a bicycle in order to win 1 second per 3 hours of XC racing will give me the award...
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns:
At this point I am just glad I wasn't asked to be a part of the voting team.

Id also like the record to show that I have 20mm of spacers above my stem. Suck it world!
  • + 0
 @mimtnbiker: its not looks dumbass its fit
  • + 9
 At least we're all Privee to this information now...

Cheers guys Wink
  • + 1
 Don't sweep the truth under the rug.
  • + 1
 I've never been in a LGB bar.
  • + 3
 I was disappointed with my bar and stem. The finish wasn't what I'd hoped to see from PP, the weight wasn't great and the markings were useless unless you run your levers well inboard of the grip. For the money I could have just bought Renthal and I wish I had. In fact I sold the PP parts and did just that.
  • + 1
 What brake levers are you running? The markings are really long.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: m9000. The markings didn't go far enough to the end of the bar for my little chipolatas.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: good point though - the skinny clamps on Shimanos latest gen brakes didn't help.
  • + 1
 Renthal bars are OK but the stems are a let down. Both are overpriced. In fact I'd happily sell you mine cheap (if you weren't on the other side of the planet).
  • + 1
 @Murdoch-the-Horse-Fracker: I like the Renthal stuff, the bars are a good shape for me (which is all that matters) and the stems seem well made and precise (apex). I like that the bars slide in. I don't like the knee-gouging stem clamp though.
  • + 2
 Super cool, but these guys need to find better freight rates... When shipping is more than the product it just don't work for us here Yankees. Durnit.

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  • + 6
 Still waiting on a nice reliable pair of dropper grips...
  • + 3
 Complaining aout two different sizes of bolt on a stem isn;' nitpicky - that would annoy the hell out of me.

Worst one was Nukeproof (I think) who had lockon grips with a different size bolt at each end. Grrr.
  • + 1
 If you want to perfectly align your bar and wheel :

Tune spurtreu laser alignment tool !

A review in French sorry ???? but pics Describe the tool ????

www.matosvelo.fr/index.php?post/2014/08/09/Test-du-centreur-de-potence-Tune-Spurtreu

Also don't forget we are not perfectly symmetrical ! We have some more or less some millimeters of difference between right and left side, legs and arms ! So to go straight.. The handlebar needs to be a little angled / wheel Wink
  • + 3
 ARGGGH, All the marks to line up the grips, stem and bars but they failed to put the line on the stem and handle bar in the middle so you can line it up with the wheel!!!
  • + 3
 Unless the photos are creating an illusion, the right edge of the right most stripe on the bar appears to be dead centre. Maybe Levy can clarify
  • + 1
 Aside from the "coolness" of this product (I actually think 1 deg. either direction is pretty useless, especially considering the price), I still decry the "ME TOO!" cookie cutter approach of 99% of the bar manufacturers out there. 9 - 5 has been the standard back- and up-sweep for perhaps even over two decades, now.

Two years ago I went to a Jitsie trials bar with 9.5 - 12 back- and up-sweep, and I ain't ever going back.

These grips exist because manufacturers feed us the same dumb oatmeal, and we don't have any choice but to think it's good, because we can't get anything else.
  • + 1
 Answer 20/20 bar best I've ridden- too bad they aren't made anymore.
  • + 1
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: While I'm a fan of alt-bars they're not practical for something like my dirt jumper.

Alt-bars are awesome, but they deviate too much from the typical riser bar to usable in situations where a riser bar is preferable. The Jitsie I'm using is almost there to where I'd like it to be compared to most riser bars. Give me two degrees more in each direction and that'd be great. But no one makes anything like that.
  • + 1
 I've had these a while as I was getting pain on the outside bones of my hands when riding a lot. Since fitting them the pain has gone away. Fatbars on a 60mm Truvativ stem on a Saracen Ariel 162. comfy grips and robust!
  • + 1
 The tire type pattern in the grips is very cool!!! Certainly different if you want to personalize your ride.
Cheers,
Beer
  • + 1
 The OCD in me absolutely loves this setup! Unfortunately, until I need to replace my stem, bars, and grips in one shot, There's no disposable income left for these.
  • + 2
 can't wait to see more companies jump on the idea of making LGBTQ componentry
  • + 1
 Excellent, not only can i f&ck with my friends suspension settings but i can now tweak their grips, woo hoo.
  • + 1
 Makes sense...danny hart likes more sweep. I think my wrists may prefer lil more.
  • + 1
 Is that handlebar Lesbian Gay Bisexual-specific? And if I'm not, would the handlebar be able to tell?
  • + 2
 Done a few lines on my bars. Its fun but expensive.
  • + 2
 Does anyone make a 800mm wide ALLOY bar that weighs less than 280g?
  • + 2
 I don't think so.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: I kinda wonder if there just isn't a minimum weight for alloy bars of a given size. Joystick makes a 800mm wide alloy 35mm clamp bar that weighs 300g. Kore claims the OCD M35 800mm weighs 257g but I'm skeptical. Reviewers have said in actuality it's 285g for 800mm wide 35 clamp 20º rise. And stiff too. It's not like as you reduce weight these things are becoming noodles, which may be for better or worse.
  • + 3
 complete nonsense.
  • + 2
 Let OCD sufferers rejoice!!!
  • + 2
 a grip fitting system that actually makes sense?

#padlocdoeswhat?
  • + 2
 Smart and simple iz winz.
  • + 2
 Love those bar markings!
  • + 1
 I had the 740mm bar, I have small hands and my levers are pretty much slammed against the grip....the markings were an inch away so totally useless XD
  • + 1
 I wish the grips were a bit thinner. Want sub 30mm.
  • + 1
 Sweet grips and cock pit. Oh, boy.
  • + 3
 He he he he , hey Butthead, he said ''grips cock''
  • + 2
 really cool innovation
  • + 1
 Its CDO, not OCD.
  • + 1
 thats actually fantastic
  • + 1
 grips are a nice idea
  • + 0
 You gotta be kidding.
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