RockShox's Electronic Wireless Dropper Post - Mont-Sainte-Anne World Cup

Aug 9, 2018 at 13:36
by Mike Levy  
RockShox wireless Reverb dropper post


Would you believe that the Reverb was introduced eight years ago? Back in 2010 when it was debuted, the Reverb's hydraulic actuation and non-indexed travel were pretty wild, and a massive amount of OEM spec over the last eight years means that it's still one of the most commonly seen droppers on the trail. It hasn't been all smooth sailing, however, and RockShox has updated the design a few times over the years to improve the post's action and reliability.

Now it looks like they're working on an electronic, wireless version of the Reverb that PB photographer Irmo Keizer spotted at the Mont-Sainte-Anne World Cup on Emily Batty's factory Trek.

I reached out to SRAM but, as expected, they're not ready to spill the beans quite yet, which leaves us to make some educated guesses. Externally, the post looks to be largely the same as the standard Reverb from the head down, and much like Magura's wireless seatpost, it likely employs a tiny piezoelectric motor to open and close the oil flow port, which in turn allows the post to move up, down, and be locked in position.
RockShox wireless Reverb dropper post

That's not exactly rocket surgery, but one has to wonder if RockShox has been able to overcome the Vyron eLECT's biggest drawback: the half-second-ish delay in the motorized valve. We'll see.


RockShox wireless Reverb dropper post

RockShox is very likely using an off-the-shelf motor as they'll want something proven and that's available in large quantities, and it could even be the same one that's powering their wireless derailleurs. The battery - that black thing hanging off the back of the post's head - looks pretty similar to what SRAM is using to shift their prototype wireless mountain bike drivetrain, and it seems as if the layout has forced them to ditch the two-bolt head for a single-bolt clamp (ugh), either to save some grams or for packaging reasons.

The air valve is likely at the opposite end of the post, although that also looks a bit different than just a simple Schrader valve. Some more guesses: It'll probably have some sort of auto on/off function, as well as a manual operation bailout feature, and I'd assume that it'll weigh a bit more - and cost a bit more - than the normal Reverb. Again, RockShox wouldn’t divulge any details, so we'll have to wait and see if those predictions are correct or not.


RockShox wireless Reverb dropper post


What's your take: If and when the e-Verb (my name, not theirs) hits the market, will you be considering RockShox's wireless dropper post?


257 Comments

  • + 124
 No water bottle mount? No interest...
  • + 17
 I am sure if people here and other forums keep saying that, the "sram innovation gurus" that read these forums will come up with a wireless-bottle cage integrated dropper.
  • + 24
 @RedRedRe: You know I'd be all over that.
  • + 7
 What about less place for your seat bag @mikelevy?
  • + 65
 @WAKIdesigns: I'd mount it under the front of the seat.
  • + 60
 @mikelevy: Under the front of the seat is much more down-country anyways.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: You know your stuff Sir, I am slow clapping until one of my Ruffian made blisters explode.
  • + 133
 Do we have to call it a 'sack' rather than a bag if it's in front?
  • + 51
 @number44: Yes, now we do.
  • + 11
 I’d mount @mikelevy under on my seat post if possible. He could perform the triple function of holding my waterbottles, protecting me from debris and weighting my my frame a la Orange...
  • + 7
 It all goes too far, all space technology which broke after few rides... Better durable is what I would like to see, not electronic o ultralight carbon toys for rich kids..
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: "What about less place for your seat bag @mikelevy?"

Speaking of... what happened to that "fanny pack for your bike" press release? Did it get down-voted to oblivion?
  • - 5
flag sngltrkmnd (Aug 9, 2018 at 16:28) (Below Threshold)
 Seems like every time we reach a point where we might see a drop in total mass on bikes, something like this comes along to heap on more weight and arguably more complexity. Will we ever see a sub 30# (trail/all-mountain/downcountry/enduro/miniDH) bike? Seems really unlikely. haha
  • + 48
 Personally I'm interested in being able to get a remote with the same frequency as my mates wireless dropper - being able to control some else's dropped with out them knowing would be hilarious
  • + 13
 Dont worry. 'US Space Force' will develop weaponized posts with laser death beams.
  • + 1
 @Grmasterd: Now that would be good.
  • + 3
 @Grmasterd: reversing actuation of wireless dropper and wireless switching on a mate's bike seems fun too.
  • + 3
 @funkendrenchman: for what it's worth, the title of our press release was changed without my knowing by PB editors. Maybe my original title wasn't any better but at least it didn't include the word "fanny" in it.
Either way, what's so bad about a made in USA frame bag with actual thought going into the design/features, then trying to tell people about it. Seeing all these bikes with electrical tape holding tubes and multi tools to the frame...seems like a no brainer to me. But hey, I'm also just a little bit biased because I made the thing...was the article THAT bad?
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Are there still people using seat bags ? I though all have been lost in the trails.
  • + 0
 @opignonlibre: they back with the rise of Down Country and the dusk of E-hate racing.
  • + 1
 I’ll call it the Tariff! Cause it’s gonna be expensive!
  • + 0
 @drivereight: Tariff sounds like the first name of an arch terrorist. Tariff Al Bengazi
  • + 7
 #downcountryseatsack
  • + 3
 @WildBikeCompany: For what it's worth the bag looks well thought out, the elastic to hold the zipper screams this was made by someone who rides their bike. But you probably went a bit whiskey throttle on the marketing, on a website full of cynical cyclists.
  • + 1
 @jstnrt: Good point. I visit pinkbike often but will need to work on my approach with other products that we add down the line, if the commenters are a good representation of the overall population of visitors Smile
  • + 3
 @WildBikeCompany: the custom demands removing everything from perfectly organized back pack and randomly strapping it to the frame. it's like sliding knee pads to the ankles for climbing. It makes no sense what so ever. But people do it.
  • + 2
 @Grmasterd:

*fun prank
distract two buddies with the same post, swap their remotes, wait for LOLs
  • + 1
 @hodges: good idea, that way I don't have to try and buy a remote Smile
  • + 69
 should have a solar panel attached to the back of it, cause the sun constantly shines out my ass ... Smile
  • + 46
 Awe yes that thing that no one asked for... yeah that.
  • + 114
 Well, I think a lot of us asked for "no hydraulic cable"... Honestly, I don't have a problem with a metal cable, but I have to admit that of all the things that you COULD actuate wirelessly on your bike, a dropper post isn't the worst. They're kind of a hassle to take the post in and out - with wireless, you can just pull it out like any old fixed seatpost.
  • + 42
 except a lot of people did ask for it
  • + 35
 If you have multiple bikes with the same size seatpost, this could save you some serious money as you'd only need one seat and post. If you have multiple $5000 bikes though, do you need to save money?
  • + 31
 Or I just don't want or need another cable coming off my handlebar, thru my frame? Having one less hose/cable on my bike is a very welcome thing. Sign me up.
  • + 26
 Getting rid of cables - particularly ones that need to be fished through the frame - is a great idea.
  • + 6
 ill put batteries on my bike, when im old enough to actually need them!!
  • + 29
 @pinhead907: Just remember that these are the same guys that needed a decade to make the Reverb 'somewhat' reliable and now they've gone and added electronics into the mix. I look forwards to seeing lots and lots of people by the side of the trail with busted E-verbs as I trundle past.
  • + 9
 @pinhead907: thats why I chose external seatpost way easier to piss around with just cut a couple zip ties and remove
  • + 2
 @Fix-the-Spade: And thats what Im referring to. If I wanted an electronic dropper post it better work like a damn charm. But as you pointed out. I doubt that is the case with this.
  • + 8
 Why has noone mentioned how f*cking hideous and bulky that remote looks?
  • - 10
flag DBone95 (Aug 9, 2018 at 15:48) (Below Threshold)
 @chillrider199 If you are driving a late model vehicle, then your throttle is wireless..... oh the horror.
  • + 4
 Reverbs are trash, right out of the box. They are either broken or breaking. This is the LAST place I would spend my money. Now if KS made it...
  • + 1
 @Fix-the-Spade: Haha. yeah, this
  • + 11
 @DBone95: No. Cars do not have WIRELESS throttle. They have CABLE-LESS throttle. They still have wires.

A wireless throttle would be illegal (at least in the us) as per the NHTSB, not mention a terrible idea, just like wireless on a mountain bike.
  • + 9
 @MD-dh-rider: Ks and reliable are 2 words I never thought would go together
  • + 0
 @pyrmud19: We have a reverb on its 4th season (2 with heavy use) and never been serviced. We tossed a KS in the trash after two seasons and 2 factory returns when it stopped working for yet another time. I run a spesh 3 position post that has been bomber just don't hover too close . . . or drop the pressure.
  • + 2
 @TheRaven: I about threw down my coffee when I read that wireless throttle comment. Dude should stay away from car engineering. Thanks for correcting!
  • + 0
 @Fix-the-Spade: LOL my Gen 1 Reverb wasn't reliable until a warranty/update was done on it. Same with my 2-Step Lyrik RC2 or what ever it was.
  • - 6
flag DBone95 (Aug 9, 2018 at 20:27) (Below Threshold)
 @TheRaven: You know what I meant.... but if it makes you feel better, then whatever.
  • - 1
 @Rasterman: "normal" bikes are @5/6k.... you would save around 300/400? Another worthless invention for those that actualy ride bikes
  • + 1
 @MD-dh-rider: Kind Shock has experimented with a wireless dropper post for a couple of years now, called the LEV Circuit, but apparently it never was brought to market. At least until now.
www.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/article/all-new-ks-lev-circuit-wireless-post-leads-the-dropper-revolution-48015
  • + 1
 @DBone95: You said wireless not cable-less so no. If you knew the difference then why did you use it as an example when it's not the same?
  • + 0
 @DBone95: It doesn't.
  • + 1
 Im pretty quick to slam gimmicky crap, and SRAM is the king of gimmicky crap, but if the motor works reliably (big if) this would be a good application for wireless. Half a sec delay on a seatpost is no biggie. And we can ditch the hydraulics that no one needed in the first place. Possibly cheaper too?
  • + 1
 @panchocampbell: your woman may need them now
  • + 1
 @pyrmud19: I wouldn't trust a KS post as a paperweight. Complete garbage.
  • + 1
 @pyrmud19: Maybe it's because it's super dry where I ride or something, but Reverbs have been straight trash. I've had two and they've both given me less than a year before crapping out. Bleeding and rebuild did nothing to fix them. I've had 2 different KS Levs that have been trouble free, so go figure. I have a Fox Transfer now too that's been mint as well.
  • + 1
 @ka-brap: yeah except the problem here is that it says "reverb"
  • + 39
 I'll hold out until the electronic posts can lower themselves without me having to put weight on the seat. Otherwise what's the point?
  • + 26
 Well, I think the nice thing about a wireless dropper is that you can pull it out of the frame like any old fixed seat post - no fussing with the end being attached to a cable. So to me, at least, that's actually something.
  • + 20
 ^This

Having a dropper that could lower without putting weight on it is the only application of electronics on a bike that I can see having an advantage over mechanical parts.
  • + 0
 True that, l can imagine a motor driven threaded shaft inside the post together with the battery and receiver, would not be ugly like this one and would go up and down of its own accord.
  • + 4
 @ColquhounerHooner: I think the issue with a motor driving the post up and down is that if you put a reasonably light motor in there, it won't move under the weight of the rider, so you'd have to stand up to put it up or down and it'd be finicky. If it was moving and you suddenly sat on it, you could risk burning the motor out, etc. If you put a big ass motor in there that would lift the seat even with weight on it, then you'd just be looking at a 5lbs seatpost, and ain't nobody got time for that. So it'd be cool to have one self actuate like you guys suggest, but I think you just get into an awfully heavy seatpost by the time you get something robust enough. So my guess is that we're stuck with springs pushing them up for a while.
  • + 11
 I want the dropper to push my tired ass upward when my legs are spaghetti.
  • + 2
 @pinhead907: Yup. Until they can produce a linear induction motor compact and efficient enough to fit in the required package. A LIM could be strong enough without being too heavy, it's just that right now they are too bulky and require too much energy for this application.

But I mentioned this to point out that the idea will be a possibility someday.
  • + 12
 @pinhead907: we actually built a prototype of this a while back for a college project. you got all the assumptions right. weight of the battery pack and control electronics is a big issue due to the power demand. we used a force sensor to pause the motor whenever the seat detected weight to avoid burning the motor out.

it was pretty cool riding around on it for a while. technology needs to be improve a little more to get it into a nice form factor.

video of the prototype here: youtu.be/sqpKQLfQRTw
  • + 14
 @pinhead907: so easy to pull it out to send back for warranty!
  • + 1
 @dy9213: the technology is but we do need bigger diameter seat tubes. This is coming.
  • + 2
 @dy9213: That's pretty impressive. Looks like you even got the logic worked out pretty well.

@PinkyScar: I also want it to help when I'm tired. But I think we start treading on e-bike territory pretty quickly...

Hmmm. So ebikes are already heavy and already have a big battery. I'm predicting that an e-bike is the first place we see a fully motorized seatpost.
  • + 1
 @lj17: exactly

but the battery is still a hassle
and the lever is "chubby"
  • + 1
 @vhdh666: You’re right about the battery - I do loathe the idea of having to charge something on my bike, but if it actually adds functionality I may consider it. If electronic droppers ever got to the point where they performed as well as droppers do today, the battery/motor was all self contained at the base of the post so it was hidden inside the seat tube, they had a proper two bolt clamp, the lever/buttons were sleek and compact, etc. then it might be worth it. Until then, f-off with all these motors that are just replacing cables. There is nothing wrong with cables.
  • + 4
 @pinhead907: an external cable fixes that problem. It's more of a PITA changing seats than it is removing my dropper.
  • + 33
 this should be good, no one ever has anything to say about reverbs
  • + 2
 Don't people with the wolftooth conversion seem to enjoy it more?
  • + 31
 They found a way for the reverb to fail wirelessly!
  • + 7
 Oh boy, wireless, electronic AND it doesn't sag early into its life? Oh, wait, it says "pick 2" and we know what SRAM picked.
  • + 5
 Think about it, now we can have post that sags AND has button lag! What a time to be alive.
  • + 1
 @manuni88: Not in the winter.
  • + 32
 but will it have a vibrate function?
  • + 10
 You have to put a few coins in the coin slot for that action! Big Grin
  • + 32
 Wireless yes, reverb no
  • + 23
 Wireless no, reverb no
  • + 4
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: wireless no, reverb yes ...wait what?
  • + 27
 Lets see.....

1) One less cable to look at.
2) One less cable to rattle inside the frame
3) Routing normal droppers SUCKS. All of them....
4) When it DOES break(It's no Revive) it's 3 seconds to remove and replace.

I kinda like it...
  • + 41
 Yeah, now it can go directly into the garbage once it fails, without having to pull the cables out of your frame first!
  • + 12
 it's Reverb, so it will break very soon...
  • + 2
 You have to charge up your dropper post. In a world filled with electronics sometimes I like to leave my phone behind and get away from all that and just go ride.
  • - 1
 You'll like it until you have to stop mid-descent to re-connect your dropper lever to your dropper.
  • + 1
 And how much fun will it be to prank your buddies by snagging their dropper battery right before they drop into some serious gnar...
  • + 15
 The Reverbs have always been a disaster when it comes to long performance life and design. Hopefully they addressed the more pressing issues with design and performance before just slapping a servo on the back and calling it a day.
  • + 14
 I think it's more of a consistency issue. I've had some last for years and years without any issues, and I've seen others last only a few rides.
  • - 2
 I’m on my third one, each better than the previous one. 4 years on gen 1, 4 on gen 2, 2nd year on gen3. I wish to apologize. I’m deeply Sorry.
  • + 5
 @mikelevy: I have had one 125mm Reverb Stealth for two years that had close to zero vertical play or sag. However, I have also had three other Reverbs that failed within only a few months. Two of these were the newst B1 version with updated internals. Most recently a brand new Reverb Stealth B1 developed 3-4 mm sag after only two rides. Based on my experience I’m not getting a Reverb again. They are just too inconsistent...
  • + 5
 @mikelevy: blew up 4 the other summer. Sold it and got a Bike Yoke and never had a problem in the two years since. That's all you need to know.
  • + 8
 Should SRAM's new products coming to market with the word prototype on them? They have a clever way of letting the public pay for the beta testing then change the product to get it right once we have already paid for it.
  • + 1
 You haven't had a reverb for 10 years. @WAKIdesigns:
  • + 1
 @freeridejerk888: i had two at once for two years. Mohaha
  • + 12
 no matter the potential, you can rest assured V1 released to consumer will be a beta version.

"Oops! Sorry Mr. Customer, we've NEVER seen that issue before." yea, no kidding, you don't test.
  • + 11
 I bet that they caught wind that Shimano has been working on one, and in typical SRAM fashion, rush to get their to market first, quality be damned!
  • + 9
 Unfortunately this is not compatible with my new seat technology. I have mounted an SPD interface to the top of my seat post and have the cleat mounted to the seat of my pants. I can now clip my rear in and be assured of proper positioning every time.
  • + 9
 But the internals still blow! Please fix the ifp before designing more garbage like this.
  • + 6
 Who knows, the internals could be quite different. All guesses at this point.
  • + 2
 They’ve changed the IFP four times...think the sealhead is on it’s 3rd or 4th iteration also. #noifpnoproblem #bikeyokeforlife
  • + 1
 @mountainyj: And despite all the revisions its still SHIT. Its worse now than it was the first time around!
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: I think you know something we don't. I'll be waiting.
  • + 1
 Maybe there is a robot inside that rebuilds your reverb every time that you drop the seat ????
  • + 6
 Pfft! After doing the mad German hydraulic engineer with a syringe in each hand shooting hydraulic fluid across the room in random curse filled intervals bleeding my reverb....... neva eva!
  • + 5
 Not at all. They have yet to demonstrate that they can make a post as reliable as bikeyoke, Thomson, fox, etc. give us several years of rock solid products and I might consider an RS post. Until then, they are on the same shitlist as crank bros and avid brakes.
  • + 5
 Well if you've got one problem why not add another? Just did ride support for a 100 Mile road ride over a dozen riders had issues with their electronic parts. K.i.s.s. has worked well in MTB!
  • + 3
 Wireless sounds awesome! Probably not worth a hundred extra dollars to me (making the assumption this will cost at least a hundred more than a normal Reverb). It would be great if we got to the point where we could eliminate all cables, but somehow I think brake cables aren't going anywhere anytime soon. In the meantime, I'm perfectly happy to route my dropper housing once and never think about it again.
  • + 5
 “Assuming is the mother of all f*ck ups.” This is the bike industry man. Only $100 more? If only.
  • + 2
 @chillrider199: Assuming makes an ass out of you and me
  • + 2
 @HerrDoctorSloth: When you make an assumption, you make and ass out of U and...MPTION.
  • + 4
 Only interested if it's still capable of developing 1/3" of squish in a relatively short period of time and the rebuild to fix said squish costs as much as other brand-new excellent droppers. Until then, not interested.
  • + 1
 I thought that extra cushiness was a 'feature'.
  • + 7
 E-Post?
No man, I don't think so.
  • + 7
 One thing to be sure of....this will never make it onto any Scott bikes.
  • + 4
 Scott has bought loads of stock in cable housing and steel wire manufacturers. Their bikes keep everyone happy!
  • + 6
 Wireless could be cool if they can figure out how to drop the seat without sitting on it.
  • + 3
 I actually believe this is a great idea. Would have gotten the Vyron if it wasn't for the weird remote and (reported) lag. No more wires in the frame, interchangeable between bikes, sounds great to me! If they fix that, the typical Reverb problems and offer it with a realistic price they may have a winner.

@all the people "dont want to have batteries on my bike what if they are empty" you should check at least tyre pressures and brakes before each ride, sometimes chain, shifting, most important bolts on the frame etc. Everybody halfway serious about mtb should be able to fit 30 min to charge a little battery every some months. Come on, ya'll comenting on a computer/phone. You don't forget to log in every time? Turn the power on? nonsense argument. Just because its electricity its not suddenly black magic different stuff from the overly complicated stuff we already see e.g. in commonly used suspension products.
  • + 2
 This is a step in the right direction... but I think the game changer will be a dropper post that lowers without having to push it down yourself. Press a button and bam!... that's one less free-weight-squat you have to do just to lower your seat.
  • + 4
 I feel like so much crap in my life needs to be charged up for me to use it. Last thing I want to worry about is charging up my bike.
  • + 4
 How about a carbon post like the KS Lev CI combined with a grip shift actuated electronic controller using etap motors and batteries?
  • + 5
 Is that last picture for real or a troll job? I've never even owned a reverb and I know you can't lift it by the seat!
  • + 3
 You can if it's fully extended beforehand (I'm talking about the reverb)
  • + 5
 But will it break as fast as a normal Reverb?
  • + 4
 Marketing line: "Like and share this post".

Sram, just send the money to my Paypal, thx.
  • + 5
 Same shitty post, now more ways it can fail!
  • + 1
 The only real benefit I can see in a wireless post is, that I could install it on my XC bike, were I usually don't ride with it in a couple of seconds (instead of the unpopular cable routing job). Otherwise, no thank you. Do we have a good working solid mechanical option? Yes. Do we need another two devices that need charging? No.
  • + 1
 “Cost a bit more” ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aha aha *cough*
You realize this is a SRAM product right, and it’ll be marketed as Revofrickinlutionary? 2018 Reverb MSRP +$199 is my guess. I’m just waiting for long-term reviews of the OneUp post. If it’s reliable they own the dropper market.
  • + 1
 Hhmmm...it's almost like someone swore the most unspeakable swear word ever in here....just knew "that" word (reverb..I'm only whispering it) would bring EVERYONE to the party!
Guess Scam ..cough*..sorry I mean Sram had to get on making something, if it works...great! happy days we can all worry about battery life, just like we do with phones.
If not, well if you turn out to be one of those crash test dummies that buy it, as you just HAD to have it just as soon as it hit the interwobble, and you get burned, in the words of jay-z, I feel sorry for you son. 99 problems and my E-verb is one!
  • + 5
 Idea. What if sram produced a reliable dropper first?
  • + 1
 no,no,nooope. keep electronics away from my bike please. I feel like this is just the last frontier that the mtb industry can delve into, to render our current bikes obsolete. well I say f-off to electronics.its just more things to go wrong. I want lighter weight coil suspension, better sidewalls in tyres and sub 30lbs enduro bikes!
  • + 1
 Just spent two hours yesterday to fit a Reverb on my new Epic... release the news a day before? Seriously, after seen the internal routing, the hydraulic choose was a no brainer... The idea of changing a dirt cable housing every now and again on that frame was frightening. Now I am curious about next year SRAM OEM bikes: the first "no holes frame" since a while!!! :-)
  • + 3
 Use the little red dual threaded reverb barb to pull new housing through the frame with old housing...
The hydraulic line is awesome when someone not paying attention kinks it in the frame, or you have to bleed your dropper remote, such an amazing feat of useless engineering. Really love the 2” extension the connect a majig adds also, not the 2” of extra insertion most people are looking for. Going without the connect a majig leads to Murphy’s law, and you will be removing the post
  • + 1
 @mountainyj: thanks for the tip, but was not my case: new frame with no housing installed. Luckily, the BB box has windows that allow you to work the line around it, but it is not so immediate. At least, now will be just a matter of bleeding when needed, which is the big advantage of the hydraulic command. Anyway, it will be not my first Reverb, and I noticed that the aftermarket ones tend to work better than the OEMs... While I had to send a LEV three times in a year for maintenance. Too many variables when talking about droppers, in my case for example the temperate climate does not affect the hydraulics, while dusty trails literally make any steel cable system a mess. Better to stick to what it works for our personal needs.
  • + 1
 Can someone tell me what’s wrong with Thomson’s Dropper post? I’ve had one for 4 years. Never had problem one with it. Works flawlessly. Couple the wolf tooth lever on to it and it’s really golden. My wife’s got a reverb and honestly it sucks. Performance is incredibly inconsistent.
  • + 5
 @mikelevy
You should accept royalties for dad name
  • + 1
 I’ve been running a Magura Aveyron for a couple of years. Been impressed. Less hassle with cable installation. Etc all the usual cons. Only downside has been the remote which just sits on the bars secured by a elastic band basically.
My mrs on the other hand has a reverb with the upgraded sram south paw lever not worked properly since purchased. If this is reliable then I would buy.
  • + 1
 What about the delay?
  • + 1
 @Screaming-Gecko: its not bothered me. yes agree there is a delay but not been a problem for me.
  • + 1
 So SRAM wants to build a trend and electrify our bikes? They have electric shifting in place for road bikes already, seems the logical thing to transfer this to mtb. Fox is talking about electric suspension control for years now - with RS they should be able to do this by now, shouldn't they? I like to super smooth and precise operation of electric shifting, I bet an all electric bike setup system by SRAM would work just fine, but: Do we really have to go that way? Do we have to electrify anything? A clean mechanical bike is such a nice thing, you don't need batteries, you don't need the environmental impact of the electronics...
I'll stop and cry a bit now, missing the 90s. Smile
  • + 1
 Oneup is probably about to be king of the dropper market with an affordable, effective design that's easy to maintain.
Coming out with an electric one, that's serviceable by warranty/factory only will be the most "SRAM move" ever.
Welcome back SRAM! I was starting to worry since it had been over a month since you came out with a new bottom bracket standard
  • + 3
 Reverb blah blah blah. Wireless blah blah blah. Doesn't matter when it's a single bolt head and I'm still 200 pounds. That alone is a hard no regardless of who makes it...
  • + 1
 I don't see the benefit in it. Just like electronic shifting. Sure it's cool but it doesn't add anything new like the introduction of the dropper itself. Yeah it's one less cable but having one extra cable doesn't bother me. I don't have a front shifter cable so we are even. I do like the idea of a dropper on a DH bike. I have a real bad knee and need my seat kind of hing. On my DH bike I have to keep it low and it hurts when I have to pedal. If I could have a dropper post on my DH bike it would help me ride a lot better.
  • + 2
 They should have made the seatpost more reliable before making something unreliable electronic! The newer version is worse than the original.
  • + 3
 I just wanna hack the signal and watch all the spandex guys get confused because their seat keeps moving at random times!
  • + 2
 Wireless post
Wireless shifter/RD
Wireless fork/shox lockout
Wireless brakes???
Tubeless tyres
Spokeless wheels
Chainless drivetrain
Lastly would be Riderless Bike....
  • + 0
 Dude I can't ride yet my post is charging. Dude I so can't climb this, my post ran out of charge and wont go back up Get to EPIC riding spot on EPIC day with EPIC conditions ... crap forgot to charge the post Dude check out my new APP on my phone it makes my seat post go up and down.
  • + 3
 This is such a tired argument. If you're going to bitch about the battery life limitations of a wireless dropper post I hope you don't own a smartphone.
  • + 0
 I hate batteries. Cables are cheap and easy to replace. Anything that I have to remember to charge or install freshies to take with me for a trip (e.g. phone, lights, gauge, maybe a GoPro), adds up to the time suck it takes to get ready to ride with my normal pre-ride prep with all of the other gear and suspension/tire pressure adjustments I have to make.

Same thing happens for every other hobby I partake in: surfcasting- waaay too many lures, extra waders, rods, reels, lights, layers. Kayakfishing- crate full of tackle and stuff I don't end up using, fishfinder and battery that I just get pissed at and shut off anyway, lights, cameras, etc.., let along drysuit, pedal drive and paddle... should I bring my sail attachment?

Maybe the SS riders have it down to a sweet science. Like when I came home, grabbed the SUP, paddle, and one rod and a few lures to hit the lake for an hour. I was happy just because I was out there quickly and living life. Now get off my lawn!
  • + 3
 Hanging a Reverb equipped bike by the saddle makes me cringe; that's a guaranteed bleed.
  • + 0
 At least with the current Reverbs,when they do go wrong or need servicing it can be done cheaply by the end user with the ability of prolonging the life of the post way beyond the 2 year warranty period.I can't see that happening with the additional costs involved for an electronic one out of warranty.
  • + 1
 What, really? Servicing it seemed pretty complicated, and not cheap to me...
  • + 2
 @skelldify: It's true if I relied on original Rockshox spares it did work out much more expensive ,the main cost issue I had was the bushings wearing/failing so I read about and sourced some alternative nylon bushings which in my opinion work as well are more robust and last longer than the originals wearing gradually without the sudden catastrophic failure of the originals and are only £3 a set rather than £50 .
  • + 1
 This is most likely the first step at integrating suspension and dropper post. If you have wireless control of both it could be synced more easily or lead to more frustration.
  • + 1
 so + to existed problems, actuating delays and extra problems with electronics.
does its last 5-6 hours long rides in -20°C like revive??
NO?
Than you can use it on some made in china US boutique
  • + 1
 Looking at the seat angle with the post extended in the last photo plus the single screw centered in the clamp. Could it be this thing actually changes angles as it is extended and retracted?
  • + 2
 It automatically changes angles when you land a drop on the nose of your saddle
  • + 3
 or, OR, O R, you COULD just make a reverb with a CABLE so no one has to buy a 100 buck kit to make the thing reliable
  • + 4
 That's gonna be a firm no for me.
  • + 30
 Don't worry, it's a Reverb. It'll be a soft-ish no from you shortly.
  • + 5
 Literally. 0. Interest.
  • + 3
 You replied in the comments. That alone shows not 0 interest
  • + 4
 The original reverb was already wireless, why do the same thing again?
  • + 1
 Hah, good point!
  • + 4
 No thanks. Bikeyoke for me
  • + 1
 This thing could retail for $20 and I still wouldn't buy it, possibly the worst MTB product I've ever owned, if it's made by Rockshox, and is marketed as a dropper post, consider me out.
  • + 1
 Does the Vyron still run hydraulic inner / air spring with a motorised release valve? Surely a real step forward in less complexity and less weight is a purely motorised action...?
  • + 3
 My Vyron is hydra/air, and I love it. The delay is minimal, and I like the easy set up. It is lighter that a cable post when you consider the cable, housing and trigger. I also have KSLev and a PNW post for comparison.
  • + 0
 Bad solution (hydraulically actuated dropper) replaced by worse solution (electronic dropper)
Nice job!

"Oh, the dropper doesn't work - forgot to charge the battery.
Ah no, it wasn't the dropper battery, it was the remote battery that was empty..."
  • + 1
 Yes, I would like to pay more to have to stop mid-descent to re-connect my dropper lever to my dropper. - No one ever. This is a solution looking for a problem.
  • + 1
 i would give wireless dropper a go but it wont be a rock shox one though ive never liked there overpriced droppers too much play???
  • + 3
 Useless as shit Smile industry try to find a new to make money Smile
  • + 1
 Its easy ... BUY a power bank or solar if You want to ride a bike ...
- saddle , derailleur, lamps, mobile phone , smart watch and GPS ... Razz
Dont ride if You dont have it.
  • + 4
 hahahahah!
  • + 1
 That big block of the back looks awful. My E thirteen dropper has been flawless and is completely rebuildable. Plus normal droppers look better
  • + 3
 Anyone here, using a non-wireless tv-control?
  • + 1
 Anyone with a battery on their bicycle should contemplate why they do the things they do and question if they're really into the things they think they're into.
  • + 1
 Not for me. I had to many issues with my reverb during the cold weather and it getting stuck down. I switched to a KS LEV and have not looked back.
  • + 1
 I hope it will work better than Nino Schurters SRAM Etap electronic Eagle, that totally f*cked up his World Cup short track race.
  • + 3
 This is one part where I’m all for electronics on my bike.
  • + 2
 "Are you ready for a battery-powered, wireless Reverb?"

NO! But I am ready for battery operated reliable dropper post.
  • + 1
 Why don't you, the bike industries, just move all the electronic tech stuff from motorbikes to mountainbikes all at once and get it over with...very naughty you guys are!
  • + 2
 BTW: The single bolt clamp is pretty clean.
  • + 1
 I've been on a 2018 v2.0 Vyron for 7 bullet proof months and will never own a cable operated post again.
  • + 1
 I would prefer a wireless bike, so I can stay at home and don´t get dirty............................
  • + 2
 Reverb? Not in a million years Smile
  • + 1
 My recommendation for Roch Shox:

1. SOLVE RELIABILITY ISSUES OF THE HYDRAULIC SYSTEM
2. develop the eVerb
  • + 2
 lol who keeps a reverb on their bike after buying it??
  • + 2
 Friends don’t let friends reverb...or Everb!
  • + 1
 Why do we have an e-verb and not an e-transfer. The reverb is literally the worst dropper post
  • + 1
 After RockShox treated me like crap when trying to warranty my Reverb I went out and bought a LEV...will never go back
  • + 1
 ps. Please put those electronic bits of the dropper inside. I really like to use the lift in Klínovec. Smile
  • + 1
 Oh course SRAM isn’t spilling the beans, they enjoy this little bit of pre-marketing marketing!
  • + 1
 while their stealth Revebrs spill fluid into the frames like nobody's business
  • + 2
 Magura version way neater looking... and out a year ago.
  • + 1
 Whatever it takes to get rid of that old hydraulic plunger button bullshit. Bluetooth it up.
  • + 1
 why it's not "one lever to rule them all" suspension+derailleur+dropper? 4 butons that's it
like x-shifter
  • + 1
 hopefully they got the actuation quicker than the previous attempts at this we've seen
  • + 1
 I’ll pass! Do people really need wireless parts. I plan to never add anything electronic
  • + 2
 This thing will have impeccable reliability. Not a chance it's shit.
  • + 2
 Need those in the space force new vessels!
  • + 1
 well, a tiny piezoelectric motor may not be rocket surgery, but its still pretty cool
  • + 1
 This is an eBike dropper surely?
  • + 1
 SRAM: How can we make the Reverb more unreliable..

Hold my beer...
  • + 1
 Wait a minute, im updating my seatpost
  • + 0
 So you can put your seat up and down with a push of a button until battery runs out or you fall in a river?
  • + 8
 Do you fall into rivers often while riding?
  • + 5
 @slumgullion: No But my bike cant swim
  • + 3
 @slumgullion: have you ridden in Scotland. It's like riding in a river for 9 months a year...
  • + 2
 @slumgullion: its a valid concern...
  • + 1
 how bout making a dropper post that actually drops by itself first!!!
  • + 1
 magura. circa 2015. god what an awful post.
  • - 3
 Shimano’s list of “what’s next:

Electric hydration pack straps
Electric lock on grips
Electric tubeless tire sealant
Electric clipless pedals
Electric disc brakes
Electric headset
Electric helmet straps
Electric zip ties
Electric etc.
  • - 4
flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 9, 2018 at 14:29) (Below Threshold)
 So far it appeared that Shimano jumped off the electronic mtb shifting boat...
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: di2 actually works well though, battery almost lasts as long as the cable and housing in a traditional setup, and unless you bend the hanger it’s the same shift everytime. My di2 XTR setup is going to find its way onto bike number 3. 3 bikes 1 mech, not 1 bike 3 mechs. I’d gladly buy the new XTR in di2...I don’t have a problem with wires and one good battery though, apparently the rest of the industry does? Can’t wait for wireless eagle, with a wireless dropper. Bike really needs 3 tiny batteries....
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns:
Bring back shimano airlines!
  • + 0
 @mountainyj: You mean battery pretty much lasts forever? I doubt it.
  • + 1
 @skelldify: it easily lasts an entire riding season per charge, if not longer, depending on riding style. I ride my dh bike quite a bit so my di2 charge lasted nearly 6 months. Riding around here in the dust and dry, you’re lucky to get one full season out of cable and housing before it shits the bed and has to be replaced because of drag.
My dropper cable and housing needed replaced at almost the exact same time my di2 needed to be recharged for its first time ever on the current build.
Cable and housing def don’t last forever...
  • + 1
 i like the blackbox logo.
  • + 1
 2019 Rockshox e-Verb, coming fall 2018, yours for only $599! Wink
  • + 1
 Not unless it makes it go down at the push of a button too.
  • + 1
 Batty has finally seen the benefits of a dropper post? Awesome!!!
  • + 1
 Whatever,I'm saving my money for one of those $1000 RST droppers.
  • + 1
 ... so is Emily Batty running an e-dropper at MSA this weekend?
  • + 5
 It's on her bike, but not sure if she'll run it or not.
  • + 1
 Can I lower my seat post electronically?
  • + 4
 yes, please open console, login as root and type in a command, and please hurry, steep section is in next 3 seconds
  • + 2
 @fenrir: Exactly! Love me some dropper post that needs a scheduled firmware update right in the middle of the gnar!!!
  • + 2
 Very stimulating concept
  • + 5
 Electrifying, perhaps?
  • + 4
 I wonder when this product will drop
  • + 2
 stay seated, I’m sure they will post a release date soon.
  • + 1
 Still waiting for wireless brakes.
  • + 1
 With that seat clamp system? - no thanks.
  • + 1
 biggest downside for sure. gross
  • + 1
 Still like Fox Transfer
  • + 1
 wank
  • + 1
 TAKE MY MONEY!!!!
  • + 1
 Hard no. Fugly.
  • + 0
 Do we really need a wireless dropper?
  • - 2
 And the people who upgraded their reverbs with latest 100$ Trigger remotes are going FUUUUUUU!!!
  • + 5
 those people don't care about constantly upgrading thier bikes
  • - 2
 For me: less cables is less problems!
  • + 2
 but getting electronics in their place??
  • + 3
 cables break and it’s like 4 minutes and you can swap that cable and then BAM it works again.
  • + 3
 The original reverb also didn't have cables
  • + 1
 @thodsonmtb: Not on the hydraulic Reverb.
  • + 3
 I'd honest be ok with an electronic dropper post if it was fast acting, reliable, somewhat lightweight, and had a relatively clean fitment. I'm not big on the battery hanging off the back or the huge remote. Hell, I'd be ok with a small wire as long as it was easily replaceable, cheap, and allowed for a lighter dropper post. I still feel that dropper posts aren't perfected enough yet to warranty wading into electronics. Once every dropper is as cheap as a Brand-X, light as a KS Lev Ci and as reliable as Revive, then we can move forward with electronics.
  • + 1
 @spankthewan: what cables did the hydraulic reverb have?
  • + 2
 @fuzzhead45: It didn't, which somehow made it worse.
  • + 1
 @fuzzhead45: It didn't have cables. That's my point.

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