Nothing cuts the tension out of getting to know someone better than sitting a table together while putting away some good food and drinks. It's almost as if meat and booze act as a sort of time machine that immediately fills the void of never really having spent any time with the person sitting across from you. If that connection isn't going to spark, it's usually pretty obvious by the time the other person has licked the last remaining chicken wing sauce from their fingertips. And if they make an unwarranted fuss for food sans gluten? Cheque, please!
I'm not quite sure why, but I often find myself pondering who I'd like to sit with at a sticky table in a dimly lit pub while eating questionable food. You know, the kind of establishment where a fifty-six-year-old woman named Gina says ''Here ya go, babydoll,'' when she drops off your beer that you asked for fifteen minutes earlier. The delay? She was outside inhaling an entire pack of Marlboros like they're keeping her alive rather than killing her. Maybe not the best place to take your Tinder date, then, but probably the ideal setting to get candid answers from someone who's seen some real shit. And people who've really lived are the best ones to drink with, aren't they?
At the top of my dream list of dinner dates, for lack of a better term, would have to be British explorer, geographer, writer, soldier, and spy, among many other things, Richard Francis Burton. I feel like anyone who's had themselves circumcised (a Muslim tradition) in the mid-1800s as a grown man in order to ''safely'' sneak into Mecca as a non-Muslim would not only never ask for a gluten-free menu, but would also have some pretty decent stories to tell after a few brews. If there were a few extra seats at the table, I'd have to fire off texts to the unfairly persecuted Alan Turing, Joan of Arc, and cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin.
A lively table, for sure, but think of the questions you'd get answered. I might forget to eat. Or blink.
Canonized French teenage war prophet and the first human in space aside, there are some people from the two-wheeled world that would make great dinner companions as well. Sure, their impact on history might be negligible compared to the headliners named above, but we should at least try to stay a bit topical now that we're almost five-hundred words deep. This is is a mountain bike website, after all.
Who would be at my table? I'd like to talk to a top decision maker at Shimano and ask him or her why they're not the leaders that they once were. I might wait until we've had a few rounds of drinks before I popped that question to Shimano-san, though.
Sure, Di2 is neat and all, but it seems like the Japanese giant is responding rather than leading these days. And now we have the long-anticipated Koryak dropper post from Pro, Shimano's off-shoot component range, that looks as if it has followed the same 'me too' approach that many other companies with far fewer resources than Shimano possess: Oh look, another cable-activated dropper with a hydraulic cartridge, air spring, and run of the mill weight. Mr. Shimano, you have more technology in one of your factory washrooms than most brands have in their entire engineering department, but we get the 120mm-travel Koryak? I almost want to believe that the yawn-worthy dropper is a decoy and that Shimano is about to release an electronic post that goes both up and down with the push of a button, and can be tied into a bike's rear suspension to automatically lower when it's set to full-open and vice versa. Now that would be taking the lead.
Who knows; maybe the Koryak can run trouble-free for years, which sure would be nice, if kinda boring. Leave that to someone else, Shimano, and make me say ''Holy shit, look at that,'' like you did with your first Di2 drivetrains.
In any case, the chance of me getting a high ranking Shimano official into a pub with a long list of health code violations so I can ask him questions he surely doesn't want to be asked is somewhere between nada and zilch. Anyways, there are a few other people who'd I'd share a pitcher with.
Anyone who was suspended from racing road bikes because his hair was too long only to go on to race at a high level, and who helped put together the legendary Repack downhill event back in the mid-1970s, likely has a few good stories in their back pocket.
Gary Fisher did a lot more than that, however, and he's often credited with "inventing the mountain bike,'' although I suspect a bunch of garage tinkerers were doing similar things, some even earlier than when Fisher bolted a bunch of tandem bicycle and motorbike stuff to an old Schwinn Excelsior frame.
Big tires, a wider gear range, better brakes, and inspired geometry added up to a more capable bike than anything else at the time, and those four points are still some of the same ones that we talk about today, only now we're often discussing a 27lb, six-inch-travel carbon wonder bike that has geometry not that far off of what Fisher's custom Excelsior X was running back in 1974.
I'm sure Fisher has countless stories about those days, and I bet most of his best ones don't even involve bikes.
At the other end of the spectrum is The Alien. In the 90s and early 2000s, downhill racing was still trying to figure out if it wanted to be its own thing, or if it wanted to pretend to be motocross. There was a lot of blonde highlights, wild parties, and a good amount of money, stuff that made racers look like they were on vacation rather than at work, at least from a fan's perspective. A Frenchman changed all that when he took a much more serious, scientific approach to his job, and funny thing, it worked.
Nicolas Vouilloz won sixteen World Cup downhill races, all in a shorter span of time than it's taken most to come anywhere close to that tally, and he's also a ten-time World Champion. Ten. Freaking. Times.
In a way he could be considered the Michael Schumacher of downhill racing because of how the team and bike seemed to be focused on him winning; his BOS suspension was made for him, and he went on to have his own bike designed for his needs, the V-Process. Oh, and he was also a Peugeot development driver in both the WRC and IRC series. He won the IRC championship in 2008, by the way. While I doubt Nico drank much beer back in his racing days, I'd hope that he could sit down for a glass or six with me now that he's mostly retired.
I'm not sure how the conversation would go having a CEO from Shimano, Gary Fisher, and Nicolas Vouilloz all at the same table and all of us a few pitchers deep, but I'm pretty confident that things would get a bit lively.
Who would you want to kill a few hours with in a dingy pub?
1. Releasing Avid Elixirs to the public
2. The Kronolog
3. Naming the new Rockshox Pro Deluxe after the biggest turd of a shock ever made
4. Not picking Sam Hill for the worlds team... for the track he is most famous for absolutely destroying until the 2nd last corner.
Mostly so I could leave them in a room with a shotgun and a single shell, and see which one is smart enough to blow his own head off to avoid listening to the stupidity of the other 3.
Oh wait, one of you is enough, I know from experience.
this world champs simply won't be the same
Then a couple years later he brought 29ers to market. I don't know if he was first or if he came up with the idea, but he mass marketed the 29er.
Just a brilliant visionary.
Back before SRAM got big, Shimano was the unquestioned king...not only were they building rock solid reliable stuff that just works, all the time, just like they are now, they were also the innovation leader by default simply because tech wasn't moving as fast and no one was anywhere near big enough to challenge them. Then SRAM jumped in and decided to take a different approach - favoring innovation over quality - and the bike tech market accelerated rapidly. Shimano didn't. So really it depends on how you look at it. If you want to be on the cutting edge and reliability/durability is secondary to that, then you're a SRAM fan. If all you care about is that your shit works, all the time, then you're a Shimano fan. Neither is better than the other, just personal preference. Shimano prefers to be the shield instead of the spear.
Shimano wasn't innovating because they had no pressure to do so, because no-one was competing with them, treated MTB like an afterthought to their road groups, & they made you pay out the nose for it, because they could. SRAM came in & forced them to actually focus on MTB, & (mostly)market their gear for reasonable prices.
Everyone I knew questioned them, & thought of them far less as the King, but more like the emperor with no clothes (that you still had to grudgingly pay tithe to, because you had no other choice.)
I like modern Shimano a lot more than late '90s Shimano.
It was great to get proper competition in the market and honestly some of the early SRAM stuff was pretty influential. The original Juicy's, the motion/mission control damper (and all the chassis' that used it) and oh my those shifters had such a nice shape/action - the 9sp XO shifters from a few years back are probably my favourite ever.
It led to some great leaps forward to what we have today and I'm thankful for that. Like you said Shimano was complacent in the MTB scene because they had no competition but boy did SRAM change that. When all the dust settled though Shimano is still supreme by a mile. I wouldn't recommend SRAM for any part of a bike except for their forks.... the pikes really are top-notch, credit where it's due.
It's easy to look back and say Shimano wasn't innovating at the time because we are in 2016 where innovation is happening so quickly it's pissing people off. You have to remember that at the time "Mountain Biking" was something that "roadies" did for entertainment. The dedicated mountain biker was pretty much non-existent. "Mountain Bikes" were for the most part road bikes with knobby tires, and suspension consisted of a spring sandwiched in the seatstays in the rear, and hidden in a fork stanchion in the front. Thus, it's no surprise that Shimano was "treating MTB like an afterthought"...everyone was treating MTB like an afterthought because that's mostly what it was!
That said, you can't just brush over the M900 and M700 groups as if they weren't game changers. It's not even a discussion. To this day they are regarded among the best mountain drivetrains in history.
I can agree though that Shimano is even better today than they were back then. It's just that there's alot more competition. I think it's pretty neat that Shimano has been able to stick to the same philosophy and still be very successful.
> You have to remember that at the time "Mountain Biking" was something that "roadies" did for entertainment
Bullshit. absolute bullshit. MTB had been around for nearly 20 years at the point. VW was selling jettas by giving you a free Trek. Nissan was selling X-Terras by using ads centered around MTB (because they named it after the offroad triathlon held in Hawaii that had been going on since 1995.)
& while those groups may have been improvements over the past, they were still glorified road groups, way overpriced, & ignored many of the needs of MTB. A failing that SRAM & other companies capitalized on, to the point that I know people who STILL won't buy Shimano because of their shitty behavior at the time.
No BS at all. The "MTB" that you are referring to is the same as the "Mountain Biking" that I am referring to. Sure the concept of taking a road frame with knobby tires offroad had been around for nearly 20 years at that point, it was still a far cry from the "MTB" that we know today. Those Treks that came with Jettas - again, road frame with knobby tires (hello 71* head angle). Most importantly, the rider who road only mountain, owned only mountain-focused bikes, virtually didn't exist.
"& while those groups may have been improvements over the past, they were still glorified road groups, way overpriced, & ignored many of the needs of MTB. A failing that SRAM & other companies capitalized on, to the point that I know people who STILL won't buy Shimano because of their shitty behavior at the time."
Yeah no. You do remember things very differently. Once again, since '"Mountain Bikes" were road frames with knobby tires, there's no surprise that mountain components were beefed up road components. The point is that Shimano offered MTB-dedicated component lines in a time where there was very little in the way of MTB-dedicated riding. SRAM offered it's first MTB-specific component in 1994...more than 10 years after Shimano first created XT. Despite that, Shimano was still preferred on the mountain. It took another three years until SRAM actually had a complete mountain-specific component group. Even then, Shimano was still regarded as superior.
There's no question that SRAM made Shimano wake up and start playing for real, but aside from that point, you seem to have a very selective memory.
Tell you what, if those bikes were road bikes with knobby tires, here is my challenge to you: take an ACTUAL road bike from that era down an easy XC trail from the era. Let me know when you get out of the hospital, & how many stitches you got when that paper thin frame snapped in half.
Here's an MTB from 1995... explain to me again how this is a road bike. www.pinkbike.com/u/mikelevy/blog/now-that-was-a-bike-1995-kestrel-rubicon-comp.html
Can you tell the class how many of those they built, by the way?
The actual, production rubicon was an adaptation of a carbon road frame design (they replaced a seat tube with a levered shock for God's sake). Even the prototype you linked above rolled on carbon ROAD wheels. Give me a break.
An extreme one-off prototype built for a racer by a road bike company is in no way indicative of mountain bikes from 1995.
Here's an example of a typical high-end production mountain bike in 1995:
www.bikeforums.net/mountain-biking/731566-bought-new-bike.html
The trek 7000 is decidedly midrange. but hey, guess what comes up when you search higher in their lineup in that model year? the 9200, a full suspension bike: fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/general-discussion/935770d1414854941-how-long-have-fs-bike-been-around-trek.jpg
Klein was making the Mantra in 1996: www.pinkbike.com/u/vernonfelton/blog/now-that-was-a-bike-1996-klein-mantra-pro.html
The intense M1 dates back to 94, but you go ahead & tell Shaun Palmer & Sam Hill they were riding road bikes: www.pinkbike.com/news/the-history-of-intense-m-bikes.html
Have fun tilting at your windmill, Don Quixote.
He was in the SAS, during which time he was discharged for using 'left over' explosives to destroy a dam built by a film company in a picturesque village. He has won various decorations within the military before he became an Explorer. He's done both poles, including solo, climbed Everest in his 60's, did 7 marathons in 7 days in 7 continents (4 months after a heart attack and double heart bypass surgery), and completed various other firsts (and in some cases is the only person to have done so). Now at 72 he is aiming to become the first person to have crossed both polar ice caps and climbed the highest mountain on every continent.
And if you need any more convincing, after suffering frost bite of his fingertips and getting frustrated at how long they were taking to get better, he sawed them off with a hacksaw in his shed...
I think I'd have enough to talk about there...
That our I've completely misconstrued what you are saying and it was more a comment on current society...
This came about as I discovered Maiden through Steve Peat's section with Aces High on NWD 3. Randomly enough, it was the first song I ever heard them play live too. :-D
Also I still have a signature from Rob Warner my friend got for me as he was my hero when I was 11 on a BA ticket.
Love these guys, all should have a knighthood.
So he is an idol for me in all aspects (the duellists) :-)
Ideally that beer would be post-ride though.
Call me corny, but you guys entertain the sh*t out of me and it would be interesting to see how you ride and what you're all like in person.
Chris Akrigg
Kirt Voreis
jk, Its my mates I left on the other side of atlantic: Martin, Martin, Adam cos I cant decide if I miss drinking or biking with them more..
Ever read the Gallic Wars? I'm thinking Julius Caesar could spin a satisfying tale or three. Probably had good taste in food.
Need a comedian too. Someone from "The Aristocrats"? Either Sarah Silverman or George Carlin. Sarah gets it because she's a chick.
Yeah... thanks for asking. Excellent question.
Outside cycling, I'd pick Chuck Schuldiner (RIP), Kofi Annan and an innocent bystander.
(Delete as appropriate.)
Obama, Tesla, Marie Curie, Jesus (for the wine) could be fine too.
I would love to ask that person why they appear to struggle with feedback from their amazing World Cup racers over the years to design DH bikes. Has the curse of the big S has been discussed behind closed doors?
Greg Minnaar
Kevin Menard from Transition bikes.
Then that dingy pub is probably guaranteed to have quality beer and a solid pub Menu.