Tech Week 2023: Pole's New Vikkelä Ditches the Motor, Keeps the 190mm of Travel

Oct 22, 2022 at 18:10
by Mike Levy  
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Remember the wild-looking, 190mm-travel Voima e-bike that debuted last summer? Pole is now ready to release the Vikkelä, a mountain bike version featuring the same dual-link suspension system and polarizing appearance, but without the motor and battery. Just like some of their other bikes, the aluminum frame is CNC machined in two halves from a chunk of 7075-T6 billet aluminum and bonded together, and the entire thing is manufactured at their factory in Finland.

Despite having as much travel as some downhill bikes, Leo Kokkonen, the company's founder and CEO, says that it's agile and pedals well enough to be a "hard-hitting" trail bike for some riders. In fact, Vikkelä is a Finnish word meaning nimble or agile.
Vikkelä Details
• Intended use: Enduro
• Travel: 190mm
• Frame material: CNC aluminum
• Sensei dual-link suspension
• Head angle: 63.5°
• Seat angle: 80°
• Internal routing
• Weight: TBA
• MSRP: €3218 (frame w/ Cane Creek Kitsuma Air or RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate), complete bikes from €4508
• More info: www.polebicycles.com

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Vikkelä Frame Details

If you're thinking that the Voima and Vikkelä look similar, it's because Pole set out to create two different bikes from one platform. The former is made to accept a 725Wh battery and motor, while the bike pictured here gets a smaller downtube, a slimmer area around the bottom bracket, and is sleeker overall than the e-bike. Pole isn't talking frame weights yet and they generally don't set out to make light bikes, but they are claiming that it'll be lighter than the older Stamina.

Cable routing is internal, with fairly large openings at each end that are covered by rubber grommets for the lines to pass through. To keep them from rattling inside the downtube, Pole inserts a large section of foam tubing that runs its entire length, but it's actually used to hold the lines against the inside face of the frame rather than the lines being run inside of the foam. While it seems a bit basic for such an exotic-looking machine, Kokkonen says that it's simpler and lighter than a tube-in-tube approach.


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Pole did make a prototype Vikkelä with downtube storage but decided against putting it on the production bike. That said, Pole being Pole, you can fit two bottles inside the front triangle and another on the underside of the downtube. There's also a keyed chain guide interface around the threaded bottom bracket that lets you spec Pole's own super light guide or an ISCG-05 adapter to fit something else.

Another thing to mention is that you can choose from two different pivot axles (pictured below) that Pole says have a massive effect on swingarm rigidity. The left and right sides of the swingarm are two separate pieces rather than one, and the bike is offered with standard axles or, if you're racing or are a relatively heavy rider, you can get it with 'Race Axles' that add 70-grams and 30-percent more rigidity. Why not sell the frame with the stiffer axles as standard? "We have learned that stiffer is only better for some. Most riders are better off with a more compliant frame. A Stiff frame is something that does not give in and is not easy to bend. A very stiff frame would mean a bike that is very accurate in turning at high speeds and is not so forgiving of the mistakes we make. We have learned that a nimbler rear triangle is easier to corner at low speed. Overall the bike is more tolerant of errors and more comfortable."


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Suspension

The Vikkelä uses a co-rotating, dual-link layout to deliver its 190mm of travel, and it looks drastically different from pretty much anything else out there aside from the Voima. In fact, Pole says that both bikes get the exact same swingarm and same kinematics, despite only one of them having a motor. And while Pole released the Voima last year, the Vikkelä was actually born before the e-bike: ''We started the process by creating a normal version to test the suspension,'' Kokkonen said. ''We wanted to develop the new linkage system on a normal bike to avoid the added weight compensating for the suspension design.''


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Pole calls the dual-link design Sensei suspension, and says that it supplies an anti-squat number that, "hovers slightly over 100% at sag, no matter what gear you are in." It's also said to begin with a high leverage ratio for more active suspension but offers more than 30% progression through its travel, a relatively big number. All that comes together, according to Pole, to make the 190mm-travel Vikkelä pedal so well that it could be a "hard-hitting" trail bike for some riders. "Our urge to explore new ways and challenge the status quo has led us to an insight that some of the textbook kinematics are not perfect. Roughly there are two ways of determining anti-squat values in the kinematics textbooks. We know that neither of these theories works 100% on bicycles. We have developed our way of building our kinematics."

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"We have learned that long-travel bikes can pedal as good as short-travel bikes. I believe that Voima and Vikkelä are even more efficient than many shorter-travel bikes because we need to be very accurate on the kinematic."

Can a 190mm-travel aluminum monster make a good trail bike? The answer obviously depends on where you are and what you're doing, but we'll be getting a Vikkelä soon to find out more. Leo has surprised us in the past...


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Geometry

With the same travel and kinematics as the e-bike, and both being based on the same basic frame layout, it's not a surprise to see that the Voima and Vikkelä also share the same geometry. That means four sizes and a longest reach option of 535mm on the 'K4' which translates to an extra-large. The K3, or medium, gets a 480mm reach, while the smallest starts at 450mm. All the bikes get a 63.5-degree head angle, steep 80-degree seat angle, and 455mm chainstays.

As on the Voima, this bike also has zero bottom bracket drop, with Kokkonen saying that it means that it, "doesn't want to stand up when you hit the corners," and really helps the bike's agility despite having so much suspension travel.




Want to know more about Leo Kokkonen and what Pole is doing? Below, I chat with him about production challenges, carbon and aluminum, geometry, and a whole bunch more.




THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 143 - POLE'S LEO KOKKONEN ON RECYCLING, INTERNET COMMENTS, & E-BIKE BATTERIES
Sept 8th, 2022

No carbon, no welds, but definitely some glue, batteries, and controversy.


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  • 147 21
 is it just me or does a gold bike just make you look douchie?
  • 27 9
 Thats the leo method hard at work
  • 22 6
 It's not...doesn't help that the only person I have seen with a Pole in the wild was also a massive douche...
  • 34 1
 If you are douchie you look douchie no matter how you try to disguise yourself.
  • 7 0
 @forum747: You don't live in Virginia do you? Asking for a friend
  • 3 2
 @grnmachine02: Washington State
  • 12 3
 @forum747: No one from Washington says they're from "Washington State."
  • 10 0
 @forum747: phew, I didn't want to be publicly outed as a douche
  • 4 0
 It is beige.
  • 21 8
 Is it just me or does bike color have nothing to do with someone's personality
  • 2 0
 @jouly: not unless they have to protect the entire Canada/US border, all the way from Washington state to Maine… state
  • 3 0
 With douchie / douche, you mean this, right?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche
  • 3 1
 If I do enough tooth douches this color is perfect for me.
  • 1 0
 @twonsarelli: or they attend Washington.....State.
Just saying.
  • 8 3
 Hey Russian oligarchs need bikes too you know
  • 8 0
 @Mouette230: Finnish officer in reserve with golden Pole Voima here. We need bikes too. To be honest I can't figure out a statement that would get your ass whooped faster in Finnish bike scene
  • 1 0
 PB seems to cut emoticons here making meaning different I intended. For claritys sake, not suggesting anyone should get a whooping. Just finding comment funny considering who actually manufactures and rides these.
  • 1 2
 @haaps-01: I just find the paint funny as well. Like does the bike really need to look like the interior of the Palais of Versaille ? To each is own I suppose
  • 3 0
 @jouly: to be fair, he’s contrasting with VA which borders washing DC, so apt clarification IMO.

But in principal, I agree, it’s kinda like Portland which must be implied by a which side of the Mississippi (or Rockies?) you live on.

What were we talking about again?
  • 1 0
 Gotta own it with the matching spray tan and bleached teeth!
  • 15 0
 @Mouette230: Let's be real. It is a hyperbike in every possible way. Ride, finish, color, geometry nothing out there compares to these bikes. Attention it gets on bikeparks and trail is huge and it is 100% positive. It is made by team of ambitious and hardworking people in location where people have labour agreements. You can get on grey if gold threatens your belief system or manhood. Fact that a gold version exists should not be away from you in any way. What we here are Pink bike luddites who have resisted every relevant innovation in last 15 years or so. This includes new school geometry, 29 inch wheels, rear suspension, disc brakes, front suspension, wireless shifting. And answer to your question does it have to Palais of Versailles - If it can, why not. Many can't and choice is not away from you
  • 1 2
 @haaps-01: What the hell are you talking about. It's a heavy bike that works (allegedly). Seeing it assembled on the video, it's an amazing piece of sculpted aluminium, I would love one as a display piece, but in terms of performance, it's a good bike like tons of other good bikes, with drawbacks and strong points live every decent bike. Nothing hyper about it whatsoever, except for the fact that it attracts a certain crowd due to how it looks.
  • 8 0
 @DavidGuerra: Vikkelä's frame weight is the same as carbon fibre Specialized Enduro with more travel. So is that heavy?
  • 1 1
 @cosaleo: It could be considered heavy, just as the Specialized, but that's not the point. Geometry and travel are design options. If they fit your preferences, great. Doesn't make it a "hyperbike", it's just an option.
  • 3 1
 Let me check... Nope. I don't look douchie.
  • 98 25
 Ignoring the antics of the CEO Pole have gone from making pretty nice steel framed bikes to making interesting machined bikes and have ended up with something I would flog at a bargain price just to have it out of the house if someone gave me one...
  • 48 28
 You IDIOT, That is the coolest looking bike i have EVER seen. Just joking... but it still looks sick
  • 24 5
 But, how does it ride? That is what matters
  • 19 7
 @DaveE-Trail: yes, "put it out of its misery" sick.
  • 70 8
 @Mac1987: I really actually love how it looks, and I know everyone is going to hate me for this... but I really think I would spend my money on one of them
  • 4 2
 @DaveE-Trail: no hate from me. There's no objectively good or bad taste. I just personally believe that, while the front and middle look fine, the back and bottom look awful. And seeing the up- and downvotes, most people share your taste and not mine Wink
  • 2 0
 Looks so sick that SICK Bicycles would probably want to get involved.
  • 20 0
 @jmhills: Everyone says "ride is what matters etc.." I worked at a shop for awhile and the amount of people on clapped out tires that would come in wanting to buy matchy matchy stems, grips, saddles, etc is insane. The average joe blow just wants their shit to look pretty.
  • 4 0
 @mtbforlife4: I think most have forgotten about the 'enduro bro'. Colour coordinated and matching.
  • 2 0
 “Vikkelia look at dis guys golden pole just whipped out in dah middle of dah woods. Oui vey”
  • 4 0
 Add the Lal supre drivetrain to this.
  • 1 0
 @DaveE-Trail: Hey I do not find it good looking and would never consider buying it... That being said, if you love the looks of the bike and want it, go on ! No hate on that, who cares what the others think ??
  • 2 0
 @DrSam: I have a hodgepodge of riding gear and a bright bike and a grey bike, sometimes I look color coordinated and sometimes I look like Technicolor vomit. So it goes.
  • 1 0
 @DaveE-Trail: I downvoted you without scrolling down...damnit!
  • 1 0
 @mtbforlife4: I get it. I do the same thing. I have a pretty purple i9 stem and a few other bits. I added those after I got the bike that I enjoyed riding first though...
  • 64 12
 190mm single crown trail bike. Give one to Sam Hill and watch him destroy 95% of the men’s downhill World Cup roster
  • 9 2
 LOL - prob not far from the truth...
  • 96 13
 I love sam hill but no bikes going to have him destroying anyone in the top 20 of the downhill roster haha
  • 4 0
 @nismo325: Didn't he already race a downhill race on an enduro rig and was 1 second from the winner?
  • 5 3
 @Bunabe: Cairns was a dh race in name only...
Sam Hill is IMO one of the greatest dh riders of all time. But yeah if he started a wc dh race these days, on any bike you care to give him, he probably isnt going to podium. Sadly.
  • 1 0
 Full respect to Sam,crashed and burned while practising for Cairns Crankworks DH.
  • 52 2
 In all fairness I have to say in 2022 the way prices have gone up they have priced this bike very well considering the quality on offer whether you like the way it looks or not.
  • 19 1
 I was about to say that, in a world where an aluminium stumpjumper evo starts from 440 with some nx components this is a very good price from a very boutique brand
  • 6 28
flag bashhard (Oct 28, 2022 at 10:10) (Below Threshold)
 What quality are you talking about? Yeah they use a more expensive manufacturing method but they still break when you do a huck to flat
  • 20 0
 @bashhard: I dunno, stamina 180 was surviving this www.instagram.com/reel/CMxXxx4hMgz i don't see why this one shouldn't
  • 13 0
 yeah, and its not made in china, it made in Finland, in europe work labor is not cheap.
  • 40 0
 Unpopular opinion, I know, but I honestly like how it looks. The longer I look at it, the more I appreciate the aesthetics. Besides, it's got near perfect geometry, is Category 5 rated, is dual crown compatible, has 190 mm of travel and the kinematics seem to be dialed. What's not to like? Could see myself riding one of these.

I say well done, Leo!
  • 5 1
 I actually agree on all points, but I just really dislike the look of the seatstay. I can't imagine it would be challenging to impart a...well....less "oblong oval" design for that piece. Smile

Otherwise, this bike seems like a bit of a home run - and very progressive in terms of suspension quantity, kinematics and geometry. And the price is bordering on reasonable!
  • 34 2
 Leo has been testing this bike, at various editions of the Trans-Madeira (and else where), for at least two years (maybe more - the Covid 'time out' makes me lose track of time!). But I know he was already thinking about it after the inaugural Trans-Madeira and a visit to Crankworx Whistler in 2018.

And yeah he is not EWS Top 30 fast all the time (but is occasionally) but fast enough to consistently win or podium in Masters at a brutal five day stage race.
So yes he can pedal around Madeira and win race stages for five days in a row on a 190 mm travel bike. And there are some lung busting leg melting long climbs in Madeira.
The photos show a Flight Attendant suspension system fitted which certainly helps on a long travel bike (significant energy savings on transfers and climbs) - if it makes a consistent 5% difference on my Norco Sight (170 front/ 155 rear) then it probably does the same or slightly more on a 190 mm travel bike.
Being Pole is won't be the lightest but it will handle well and be extremely capable.
Short story is that he knows how to race and handle a bike and he is a total OCT perfectionist.

It will be a good bike and hopefully they are through their development, growth and communication problems that have not shown them in the best light in the past couple of years.
  • 21 0
 It's OCD. Not OCT. Just wanna be perfect....
  • 12 0
 Yeah Leo is bloody pinned hey. I met him in Madeira and he can definitely ride a bike.
  • 25 0
 Great job, Pole, for delivering an innovative design that you can buy with top-spec components for $6500 Euros.
  • 21 0
 So my buddy bought a gold Voima. I had a chance to ride it on some mellow rolling terrain. Here’s my unbiased opinion. I thought it would be a total sled, but I was pleasantly surprised at how agile it was.. The suspension was plush yet supportive. The front didn’t feel floppy despite riding through lots of tight flat corners. I was impressed. I would for sure entertain owning one. I have an Orbea wild FS with a 170 fork. My son has a rail. For comparison sake. The voima didn’t feel any less maneuverable. I’d be interested to ride this one and compare it to my enduro. I doubt these are easy to test ride so I thought I’d share. The fit and finish was impressive fir what it is. The machining looks great and the swingarm design felt solid. The gold actually looks pretty cool in person, but it’s all good everything. Not subtle. I liked it.
  • 9 0
 MTB brands doing things differently is good for innovation. Some things may be on point, some way off, but if one never tries there is no progress. Would I buy this bike? Probably not. Am I glad it exists? Sure! Besides, if one prefers something more ordinary there are countless bikes to choose from.
  • 9 0
 Ah, the grasshopper. For some reason I like it though. Looks may be polarizing, but that amount of travel on an enduro bike is killer. On another note, I was expecting the ebike frame with a gearbox or the like.
  • 23 14
 I'm all about function over form but that rear end is just atrocious. Looks like a UFO was bolted to the rear end. Give it some shaping or, dare I say it, some chainstays.
  • 81 1
 Did someone say UFO?
  • 15 0
 but they found a solution for chain slap
  • 9 0
 @Kolo-Flow: So where do you attach the mastic tape now??
  • 4 0
 @pakleni: Directly on the chain. Let's call it BudgetBeltDrive™
  • 4 1
 I actually don't agree that it needs chainstays - the single arm look is cool when executed correctly (See: Ibis Oso).

That said, this bike really checks a lot of boxes in my eyes: gobs of suspension that is seemingly useful as a daily-driver if you like enduro-ish trails, end-of-the-road geometry numbers, cool manufacturing process, reasonable price and weight.....

...but that seatstay is hideous. Just machine a better, swoopier shape. There is nothing about the design that would prohibit you from doing this; fairly simple piece.
  • 9 0
 Very cool but the geo has me a bit confused. Why doesn't the stack height increase with reach? If you're CNCing every bike, why not make proportional chainstays?
  • 11 0
 because Pole clearly doesnt Listen to PB for engineering advice.
  • 4 3
 At least regarding stack height I really don't get this complaint. Simply run riser bars. And if you want the reduction in reach her a shorter stem or roll those riser bars to where they feel good.

As for chainstays... I'm incredibly happy with the super sorry chainstays on my Polygon Siskiu T8 and I ride a size large 29er. And it seems quite a few brands with excellent designers disagree on that topic.

And I'm going to seriously consider a Pole for my next bike in a few years. I love the fresh thinking, the wild looks and you know how good an accent color will look with that gold? Booyah!
  • 5 0
 @BarryWalstead: my reach was 40mm too short so I threw a 90mm stem on there and now it feels great Wink
  • 7 3
 @BarryWalstead: the problem with Low stack and running high bars is the flex, High rise bars flex... alot.

high stack and lower rise make the Steering and front feel alot more confident. - hence the arguements
  • 9 1
 @HeatedRotor: and there is one of the huge fallacies of mtb, that anyone needs their bars to be that stiff.
Look at riders on trials bikes, they need way, way more precision and they use crazy high rise bars.

I just wonder if anyone can really feel that difference especially if we're 35mm. And I realize I'm arguing on the internet so I'll stop there. ;-)
  • 2 1
 @BarryWalstead: Trail riders also use different bars to us that are very stiff.

I can feel a considerable difference between my 15mm rise bars and the 35mm bars, both bontrager etc. both 35mm clamp.
If you cant feel a differnce between bar heights, especially big jumps in rise.. then maybe the details arnt for you.
  • 11 0
 Such a wild looking bike, i love it.
  • 9 3
 For any nerds out there, most bike frames are built from 6061, this is built from 7075 which is nearly twice as strong. Its also generally un-weldable, hence the CNC machining and bonding. Cool stuff.
  • 5 0
 I cant see myself buying one, but I definitely appreciate the engineering that went in to it. Always to be good to push boundaries, whether its geometry or construction techniques etc. I also see Joe Nation absolutely ripping on some local trails, so they are clearly fast in the right hands
  • 7 2
 It serms that Pinkbike readers are quite obsessed with looks. Sweeping designs and anything Pole does has 90% comments about looks at PB. It seems traditional looking bikes with straight tubes work best? Preferrably black or raw alloy (but not Pole ofc). I think that's also 80% of the bikes I see on the trails. A matte black Canyon/YT or an raw alloy Commencal Meta is the Toyota Corolla of MTB where I live.
  • 5 0
 Let's put all of the shit talking aside... this bike looks different and unique but it RIPS! Same goes for the e-Bike version. Yeah, the gold color might not suit everybody but thy make it in RAW aluminum and another variation. I have put over 2,000 miles in my Voima (the ebike version) since mid-June and nut a single bolt cam loose. Everything is manufactured so precisely, without a single spacer. They are truly onto something special and you can't deny that. Do yourself a favor and try to ride one. Cheers!
  • 2 0
 Yeah, I've been riding my Vikkela K2 for the past three months and it's an amazing bike! Climbing, descending and everything in between is just magic on this bike. I can't help but imagine all the haters who think it has to look like an everymans Santa Cruz or Trek having beige houses with beige carpet and raw treated wood decks to grill on. At least they're not "gold" decksSmile
  • 32 23
 Still ugly
  • 39 15
 Would rather ride a good handling bike than just a pretty bike. This isn't high school any more.
  • 6 0
 better looking than most ebikes though. If he could make a kids version in Gold my 9 YO would be begging Santa for it.
  • 6 0
 For me, once there's a rider aboard and the suspension sags so that the chainstay is at the same angle or below the top tube angle, then I reckon it will look great - it's only the arched cat-pose back I don't like.
  • 10 1
 @CaptainSnappy: it’s still high school for most Pinkbike commenters or at least it seems like it!
  • 2 3
 @fabwizard: my mate has the gold e bike version of this,
It ain’t pretty, in fact it’s the ugliest e bike I’ve ever laid eyes on
  • 1 2
 @CaptainSnappy: Sure, ultimately the ride quality should come first. But come on, you can make a bike ride well and look good too. Lots of brands do it. And I'm not going to buy a bike that doesn't make my heart flutter when I look at it, that's alot of money to drop ok something that's ugly. The Pontiac Astek was actually a pretty practical vehicle for example, but look at it! People in high school aren't often buying new cars too so that logic goes out the window.
  • 3 0
 Taste is like a backside - split down the middle (old Swedish saying)
  • 15 7
 When you want regular bike but you also want it to look like an ebike.
  • 4 3
 ^^^ this. still looks like there is room for a motor and battery in that frame, oof.
  • 1 0
 That giant traingle of metal around the BB from where the motor was evicted would be prime estate for a gearbox.
  • 7 0
 I see a Transformer movie in their future.
  • 19 3
 Does it transform into a good looking bike?
  • 7 1
 I've never wanted to see a huck to flat video more than after seeing the linkage on this bike!
  • 4 0
 @mikelevy how about a group test of >170mm bikes? Would be interesting to see how this compares and in general what if anything is actually being sacrificed for the added bounce.
  • 1 1
 Energy?
  • 3 0
 @catweasel:

I’ve got a 150 stumpy evo and a 170 enduro and if anything the enduro pedals a little better.
  • 1 1
 @Blownoutrides: that could be any number of factors, kinematics, shock tune/settings, riding position etc.
Suspension is designed to absorb energy, some of that energy would otherwise be converted into forward motion. Pedaling, pumping, landing, compressing in the face of a jump are all examples.
Better question is how much energy is actually lost and does it outweigh the benefits like increased grip and better absorption and tracking of rough terrain. I'm gonna guess it's rider dependant.
You should try taking them both to the pump track and dirt jumps and see if you can notice more difference in energy loss than Pedaling
  • 8 0
 Gorgeous steed.
  • 3 1
 Im a bit confused about the chainstays. What does "effective chainstay length" mean? And why is it 455 mm when the chainstay legth i get from subtracting the front center length from the wheelbase is just 426mm across the sizes??
I mean it looks like the axle path might be a little bit rearward initially, but is it really that rearward?
  • 1 1
 The bike geo changes when you sit on it. As the suspension is compressed into the riding position the angles change.
  • 1 0
 It’s just under 18” from the center of the rear axle to the center of the bb. That equals 455mm. I just verified it on my Voima.
  • 6 0
 I kind of like it....what's wrong with me?
  • 4 0
 Sounds like some PB riders care more about what others think about their bikes than they do. Ride what YOU like and quit crapping on others for what they like.
  • 2 0
 Perhaps the most "industrial" looking MTB since the Mountain Cycle San Andreas. I'd be curious to know if this is the best engineered way to get the suspension bits in the right places. Also curious to see how it rides.
  • 6 1
 ....downtrailduro?
  • 2 0
 Upduro?
  • 6 2
 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me its not a good looking bike
  • 4 0
 How is this bike not called the cricket?
  • 1 0
 I imagine the non-existing chainstay would grow super long on this one (yeah yeah, chainstays don't grow, thank you Smile ). Pinkbike: I'd love to see rear suspension squish videos, showing how all the pieces move around!
  • 2 0
 Yes, do this for any bike that passes through. Always interesting!
  • 2 0
 @Sambolo: thanks!
Seems the rear axle doesn't travel that much backwards. I like the suspension layout!
  • 4 0
 Super cool, would love to try it out!
  • 4 0
 Might be one coming down to St Georges area in the new few weeks... hit me up and I can let you ride it around when I make it down there. @arnoldpetament
  • 1 0
 @frenchlinesandfrenchfries: Super kind offer! Are you associated with Pole or just a Good Samaritan type? I only ask as I don't want to impose on you...
  • 5 0
 Pole-arising design.
  • 4 1
 As a bonus to everything else, Sensei linkage is mad easy to wash clean. Such a good bike.
  • 4 0
 190mm. Feels like an Enduro/DH cross over bike. I'll take one please.
  • 1 1
 This thing has to be so heavy, and why 190mm of travel? If it is being marketed as a trial bike then it shouldn't have dh travel, instead a lively, lighter weight suspension platform, plus it would be lighter weight and more appropriate for a "trail bike". I feel as if riders aren't going to really utilize that much travel, for example professional rider Phil Kmetz rides a gt force, he rides very aggressively and tempts many stunts most won't consider on a DH bike, and Phil is riding on 170mm front and rear. The TBA weight also has me concerned, I would guess that this thing weighs north of 38lbs. based off of the components and frame design.
  • 6 1
 @Levi81

Here are some opposing points of views. Extra travel rarely weighs (significantly more), but still enables rowdier lines and gives a larger margin for error. At the same time, if the extra travel does not pose lower pedaling efficiency what's there not to like? More is more as they say.

Of course, there's a limit to how much travel one needs and can make use of, but it's not topped off at 190mm, at least for not particularly aggressive riders. Steve at Vorsprung Suspension has made a nice video about this particular subject.

www.pinkbike.com/u/VorsprungSuspension/blog/ramblings-how-much-travel-do-you-really-want-the-tuesday-tune-27.html
  • 4 1
 looks like a copper still. Can you make shine down near the BB?
  • 3 0
 Seat tube length looks very playful!
  • 3 0
 Looks like a old school Cannondale had a secret love child with Orange.
  • 1 0
 This is a compliment, right?
  • 3 1
 Is it OK to the think the front half looks great and the back half looks 100% not great. Like a mullet of aesthetics???
  • 2 0
 Dont judge a book by its cover? It would have to ride AMAZING to look like that right?
  • 2 0
 Sure... it does ride AMAZING.
  • 3 0
 Saw this at Crankworks, crazy cool bike even if it looks CP3O droid style
  • 1 0
 Ahah! You probably saw my eBike version of it and made that CP30 comment. Smile
  • 2 0
 That Pole is massive! ( sadly words I’ve never heard said to me in real life…)
  • 1 0
 "That said, Pole being Pole, you can fit two bottles inside the front triangle and another on the underside of the downtube."

Oh those crazy motherf*ckers at Pole!
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 i would like to ride one. seams like a capable enduro and as long as you are focused on the trail you dont have to see the bike youre riding
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 Hmm, what is starting price for a full build?
Does their website show something different than this article?
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 No import duty or taxes when shipped to the USA!!
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 @vanillarice19: how do you know this?
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 @Hoverp: I own a Pole Voima. If u ship basic USPS, no duties or taxes however if you pick expedited shipping through FedEx or UPS you do pay a small 200-300 import duty along with expedited shipping costs. Difference is 1 week vs 3 weeks to go through customs
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 Hmmmm
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 as i said on the voima, oh my god just use a dual crown
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 Why?
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 My Voima does have a dual crown on it. (;
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 Can I have more Gold, Please?!
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 Weight is TBA, so it definitely weights over 40lbs.
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 Looks like the website says it's 13-14 kgs.
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 13-14kgs frame only? I would be very impressed if they hit that with a 190mm build. Sick bike whatever it ends up weighing.
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 190mm enduro bikes. Good lord
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 I used to have the Marin quake 7.3, similar suspension concept. Loved it.
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 Wonder what’s better, Kavenz Vhp18 or this
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 PB- Mike , The K2 has 480 reach not the K3, the K3 is 510
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 *Sam Jackson*

"Does he look, like a douche?!"
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 Definitely gotta wear the mesh jersey when riding this!
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 the gold rush is over....
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 Looking at it I'd say we need new category for Pinkbike awards
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 hilarious
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 Modern Trek Bruiser 3 vibes
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 If it had chainstays it would look so good
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 The kinematics wouldn’t be the same, it would have chain slap noise and it would be heavier. This just looks different, which I think is good and there is no chain slap. If you want a Chinese cookie cutter frame that looks the same as everyone else, there are plenty out there to choose from. And the main thing is, it rides amazing, (I have the ebike version).
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 Anyone else getting Klein Mantra vibes off this thing?
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 Yes! my 1998 Klein Mantra was a Top of the line Stink bugging(upon front braking) death trap I raced in Tucson AZ. Beautiful Red moonbeam paint , air shock, and Yellow Rockshox elastomers....so funny looking back on those days.
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 Missed opportunity to call it Voimit.
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 I totally feel like having the damper reservoir penetrate the back of my knee on full G-out.
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 You think they mounted it that way without testing?
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 The shock mounts are offset to one side so it doesn’t stick out far enough for that to be an issue.
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 They have made a cheap voima for those who can't afford the superior ebike version. Bless.
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 Orange now has competition...
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 Swing and a miss
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 swing and the bat flew into the stands and killed two people
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 Swing and ended up divorced after 3 days.
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 Much wheelflop?
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