Pulley wheels, tiny bolts, and unrecognizable pieces of bent metal scattered in the dirt. Your chain twisted and jammed impossibly deep between spokes and cogs. A broken derailleur hanger that's probably out of stock for the next two months. Sound familiar? We've all been there or will be there, no matter how good modern drivetrains get; on our knees trail-side trying to piece things together so we don't have to walk out of the forest.
Not even a diehard derailleur devotee like myself can deny that, for some riders, these spring-loaded things can be fragile, finicky, and prone to exploding.
Sherpa Details• Intended use: Enduro
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Rear-wheel travel: 170mm
• Fork travel: 180mm
• Head angle: 64-degrees
• Seat angle: 76.5-degrees
• Reach: 450mm
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Sherpa Cycles on Instagram Fin Woods, an industrial designer who lives in Mount Maunganui, just outside of Rotorua's Redwoods Forest, is one of those riders. The New Zealander set out to do something about it.
| A gearbox equipped enduro bike that was nicely designed, competitive with the derailleur-driven bikes, and I had a bit of stab of what bikes would look like in a few year's time.— Woods on his goals with the Sherpa |
Woods' answer is a 170mm-travel, carbon fiber enduro bike that he designed himself. It employs a 12-speed gearbox from Pinion, along with a futuristic-looking suspension layout that combines a high main pivot, concentric axle pivot, and a low-slung shock compressed by a compact linkage near the bottom bracket.
It's an impressive looking bike that could easily be from a derailleur-less future but was actually designed in 2016, and the journey from sketches to a kinda-rideable prototype has been a bumpy one.
''For all of my life, I have had issues with derailleurs. So many rides have been ruined by snapped hangers, bent cages, broken cables, or all of the other problems that come with those bloody things,'' Woods told me. And then, back in 2016, when he was in his final year of university, Woods had to design and develop his own product. ''I had some different ideas for what I could do, but what made my decision was when I was going for a ride; I pulled my bike off the rack and the derailleur cable was snapped.''
That broken cable was one ride-ruiner too many, but the first step, he said, was to figure out why derailleurs were so pervasive, especially given the rate at which he was going through them.
He came to the same three conclusions others have: A lack of consumer knowledge, that many gearbox bikes are poorly designed or too bespoke, and the kicker is that gearboxes haven't seen anywhere near the development that derailleur-based drivetrains have over the past decades. ''Although not all solvable in a design project,'' he said, ''this is what defined the brief: A gearbox equipped enduro bike that was nicely designed, competitive with the derailleur-driven bikes, and I had a bit of stab of what bikes would look like in a few year's time.''
His project culminated in a proof-of-concept scale model, but Woods wanted something that he could ride, not just look at.
The Gearbox MindsetOnce you've had a few too many rides ruined by exploding derailleurs, having all those fragile bits tucked away safely inside a metal box surely seems like the better way to go. But the gearbox bike has never progressed past the point of wild-looking concepts and, at best, relatively low production numbers.
Opponents, including myself, usually cite cost, drivetrain inefficiencies, and how they can require a different shifting technique as the reasons, three strikes for many of us who haven't had the headache-causing derailleur issues that Woods has.
''It really comes down to the kind of riding you do in relation to drag,'' he counters. ''For flatter kind of riding, gearboxes don’t make too much sense. But as soon as you add a decent amount of gravity into the mix, their benefits really come into the light. The drag is actually super minimal in the lower end of the gearbox, so riding up is virtually unaffected by it.''
| It’s just a mindset thing, and not everyone lets themselves adjust.— Woods on why some riders might not gel with gearbox bikes |
While I've probably written tens of thousands of words pointing out the negatives of gearbox drivetrains, for Woods, those are obviously outweighed by the positives.
''It’s funny, I’ve taken people riding that have barely ridden any kind of bike before, and they find the gearbox shifting much more intuitive and easier to learn than a derailleur,'' he says. ''People get stuck in their ways and find having to adapt a negative when, in reality, if they embrace it, they can open up possibilities in their riding not previously possible. It’s just a mindset thing, and not everyone lets themselves adjust,'' he added without actually using my name.
High Single-Pivot SuspensionWhile there are a handful of high single-pivot bikes to pick these days, from downhill sleds to burly trail bikes, that wasn't the case back in 2016 when Woods designed the Sherpa. So, how did he end up using this suspension layout four years before it became the up-to-the-minute way to do things? ''The gap between enduro and downhill bikes is constantly closing, and I wanted the bike to be ahead of the market, so I knew it would have to have downhill-influenced suspension,'' he answered.
Woods is referencing how a high-pivot layout provides a rearward axle path, something that's said to be a key ingredient when cooking up a fast bike. A rear wheel that moves back slightly can get out of the way of rocks and roots quicker than one that can only move straight up and down, thereby letting you carry more momentum over rough ground. When your races are three-minutes long and sometimes decided by tenths of a second, that kind of thing matters, and Woods wanted his enduro bike to have a similar focus.
But he says that he didn't want to take it too far: ''I like to call my suspension the 'not so high high-pivot' because if the pivot is too high and axle path too drastic, the bike can feel sluggish,'' he told me, with his goal being to have same baked-in pop and playfulness that a pure-race bike might not be inclined to offer.
But for a high-pivot design to work, the chain needs to be routed close to it to avoid too much drivetrain interference, often called "pedal kickback." This is when the suspension tugs on the chain and is prevented from moving freely.
Using an idler pulley, that funny looking cog that's nearly in-line with the main pivot, let Woods get around that, and he says that its small size helps to effectively eliminate any kickback: ''This meant I could set the anti-squat how I wanted without it affecting pedal kickback and rider fatigue, while also having it consistent through the whole travel.''
On a bike that's begging for questions, it's Woods' chain tensioner solution that most people ask about. Yes, that is a bungee cord holding it up. ''It’s actually the lightest and simplest way to keep it tight,'' he says, adding that he's happy he didn't design the torsion spring system he thought it would require.
The Fox air-sprung shock is compressed by a compact aluminum linkage that rotates just behind the bottom bracket. Its location helps keeps the weighty bits as low as possible on the frame, but it also leaves a ton of room inside the front triangle for water bottles and anything else you might want to hang off of it.
| The market is filled with people that don’t fully comprehend what they are buying and are fed yarns from whoever can yell the loudest, which is usually the big companies with big budgets making virtually no innovation and following what the smaller guys are doing anyway.— Woods take on the cycling industry |
Manfacturing ChallengesAnyone who's tackled the kind of project Woods was diving into knows full well that the process can be a bumpy one. With his university work behind him and a full-time industrial design gig on the go, the next step was to figure out if he wanted to manufacture the frame himself or pay a professional. ''I was considering making it myself out of carbon, but thought I better get an expert in to do that aspect,'' he explained with obvious regret.
''But in the amount of time it took, I think I could have learned and done a better job.''
''The frame turned up a few months after it was supposed too and was not rideable. It was pretty gutting. I wrote back to the guy and he apologized, said he rushed it, and that he'd make a new one. I sent everything back to him, and a massive nine months later a new one turned up only marginally better.''
At this point, it was now late-2018, two years into the journey and Woods was frustrated with what he had: ''None of the pivots lined up and everything was deformed. It was extremely gutting. By this time, I had started doing some work for Zerode Bikes, and luckily Rob [Metz], who runs Zerode, is an absolute guru in the workshop. Together, we managed to get it into a rideable state.''
The Sherpa was finally rolling, but the fragile construction has kept it from being ridden hard without breaking.
And then disaster struck: ''Because the frame was slightly deformed, it made the head angle steeper than it should be so I bought an angle-set for it.'' The head tube cracked while it was being pushed into place, and Woods has done more looking at the Sherpa than riding it until he can fix that and some other issues. What began as a fact-finding mission to figure out why most riders seem okay with, in Woods' opinion, the unreliable derailleur-based drivetrain has come to a temporary standstill because of its own challenges.
But, reliability aside, and despite the current situation, he's happy with how the bike performs in general, saying that he'd only tweak the suspension kinematics to be more supple early in the travel, and maybe lengthen the reach slightly.
I suspect he'd have a go at building the frame, too.
If it sounds like the process took the wind out of Woods' sails, it did. ''Originally, I had these big visions of starting my own mountain bike company, but after pursuing the design it’s made me have a bit of a change of mindset. Designing bikes is fun, but selling them is a different kettle of fish. The market is filled with people that don’t fully comprehend what they are buying and are fed yarns from whoever can yell the loudest, which is usually the big companies with big budgets making virtually no innovation and following what the smaller guys are doing anyway.'' He's certainly not the first to say it.
| It’s become so much more apparent through this project that a new bike isn’t going to make anyone a better rider. — The process has changed Woods' perspective |
Woods set out to design an enduro gearbox bike that would show how much better things could be without derailleurs, but the process taught him about a lot more than just gearboxes. ''There’s such a lack of focus on fun in the mountain bike industry, which is a pretty big turn off as well. Everyone is bitching about the dumbest gear-related shit instead of enjoying themselves, which is ridiculous. It’s become so much more apparent through this project that a new bike isn’t going to make anyone a better rider. Just ride your bike and have some fun instead of weighing it and you’ll become a much better rider.''
Will we be seeing more from Sherpa Cycles? ''Right now, my focus is on shooting photos and video; it’s much more fun being outside than being stuck behind the computer. This might change again, who knows, just trying to have fun! In saying all of that though, if there was enough interest in the bike, it could become a reality to make a few of them.''
Interested in more DIY stories?
Jean-François Boivin's Insolent downhill bike employs a homemade shock made from parts of a Fox 40, while Ashley Kalym's
single-sided carbon fiber linkage fork uses a leading-link design to deliver 160mm of travel. One of the most impressive finished products has to be
Vladimir Yordanov's Sequence downhill bike that he made
with help from Easy Composites.
Want to know more about Sherpa Cycles?
Check out their Instagram page.
Great work Fin. I have absolute respect for people like yourself who are willing to take risks at their own cost and time to try progress the experience of something we all love to do.
Probably because they're:
- Lightweight
- Low drag
- Cheap
- Easily replaceable
- User-maintainable
So yeah, pretty terrible all round. If big bike companies with their massive R&D budgets haven't yet come up with a gearbox that they think will be a mass-market success, it's probably because they think the drawbacks significantly outweigh the advantages (e.g. it feels like pedalling a coffee-grinder).
- Maintenance wasn't required
- Never needed to be replaced
Sometimes it needs to be considered whether the issues need to exist in the first place. Especially when most people are changing bikes at least every 6 years, what if the drivetrain was just something that wasn't really a wear part on your bike?
*Vw dsg sounds appears*
Moving components in high end watches use jewels as they don’t ware out as things ticktoc forever. Maybe we need jewels in our drivetrains.
> @baca262: how much do car transmissions weigh?
About half a pound per horsepower for a high end, high performance transmission.
Considering humans peak out at about a horsepower... it looks like bicycle gearboxes appear to have a lot of room for improvement/refinement.
its almost like a person with legs is not an ICE.
for the rest of the crowd, if it ain't a simple manual no wonder it's going to break. there, some idiot could go and design an automatic pinion for you suckers to be pleased.
We live in a practical world, so if a part basically doesn't break I'm considering a "non-wearing" part. Think handlebars and cranks vs. tires. (And of course bars and cranks still break!) If we get to the point where you should change the oil in your drivetrain every season and it takes about 5 minutes, that's basically maintenance free in the bike world.
Or they have no need to design a gearbox all the while their customers are happy buying their current products.
I'll bet the big guys already have them designed and are just waiting for the moment that they can't keep selling their old stuff.
What you'd like and what your behavior is when you actually have to spend money aren't the same. This is true for 99% of people, which is why survey data is pretty worthless and why gearbox bikes barely sell.
edit: you know what's funny? even women drive sticks lololololol
That's why they wont make gearboxes. That's where they make money, the "replacement" part.
The coin purse!
Most quick-ish amateur riders can sprint a 3 second 2hp average. The whole "1hp peak" thing was old news gathered back when power meters were huge indoor test machines that probably had a low capture rate and there was insufficient ventilation for the subject. It's actually amazing how much moving air is required to keep from overheating when riding indoors and limiting your power.
www.deviatecycles.com/guide
This thing here is one of the best looking bikes that I have ever seen. It has similar layout to DarkMatter which is possibly one of the best long travel bikes out there, so it catches my attention tight away. I just wish this one here came with 180mm of rear travel. 500 Waki points for this one. I rarely get excited about any bike these days, but this is something special.
You should start your own podcast... you could call it "Word Salad w/ Waki"
Only negatives I have are the noise of the top idler, they are very noisy on the flat and pedalling at speed, and I am not a fan of brake jack which I tend to notice on the steeper slow stuff. of course if I had any skill I wouldn't be braking
Other than that, gear changing is light years ahead of a mech, Im in the right gear much more often than before.
Just ride your bike and dont be a dick.
Translation: "no, I have not ridden a g1, I just like to bash them because I'm a contrarian." -WD
I never said everyone should own one.....I would say that itd be cool if people would actually demo one, instead of listen to you bitch f*ck all about it EVERY POST.
And honestly If most downhill racers had any idea what was better or worse,they wouldnt need Jordi, Trainers or Engineers re designing bikes every year and Greg Minnaar wouldnt have been racing a full suspension bmx bike for the first 15 years of his life.... Bio mechanical my ass
You bitch about every...single....improvement or product released because you think we should think running a 38t x road cluster is actually fun .Its just old, and then you turn around and whine.
This forum booms with nothing other than your pedantic, philosophical bullshit
..
Sick and tired of tall people moaning about effective seat angles, too shirt reach too short droppers where wikipedia says average height most population of most countries is around 177
But, fwiw, as a tall person, I'm with you on the effective vs actual seat angle thing. I'm not really sure what their problem is.
Poppy, twitchy, jibby, "fun" bike? No.
Its f*cking faster
@Mondbiker I didn’t buy Antidote because of Steve Jones. I bought it because I wanted a 160 bike and they sold it to me at same price as everything else, with a great shock. Dark Matter is one of the best bikes out there because it’s base level is not a DH bike. It is an Enduro bike that turns into a DH bike as the speed and size of bumps increase. Most DH bikes are sloppy cows unless you really open the brakes on steep, rough stuff.
He, thinks hes much more cleaver than anyone
around him and im not sure he can actually learn anything because that would mean he didnt already know it before
Paul Aston - tall guy
you - tall guy,
Jclnv - tall guy,
Chris Porter - tall guy,
Jens Staudt - tall guy,
Leo Kokkonen- tall guy
Sintra Freeride - tall guy
Scary1- let me guess
Average male height in Europe 178
In US 175
I rest my case...
180cm is
Hardly tall is 178 is avg.
Also, they make different sizes??
All with
adjustable chainstays, travel, bb heights, head angles, wheelbase...
Your case is of a 13 year old girl and is rejected by the court.
Case dismissed!
I think it's testament to the engineering that went into the Guide that this bike, 4 years on, shares nearly all of it's basic design. That is taking nothing away, Fin has done an amazing job with his design project - it looks great. However, naturally, it takes design cues from bikes that have come before it and there are obvious problems that would have to be solved before production (i.e. tensioning the chain tensioner sufficiently without an elastic band - a harder proposition that you would imagine).
I personally think the Guide looks really nice. I agree, 4 years on we'd change the looks and the geometry of course. If you look at the Highlander I think we're now bang on the money in both departments (admittedly without a gearbox). We'd love to have another go at the Guide bringing everything we've learnt to an updated design. But unfortunately, for all of the excitement that the gearbox generates people are still not buying gearbox equipped bikes in any volume.
I'm sure some company could make one that works better and looks cooler.
Straight chainline, low maintenance, consistent performance in all weathers, long service life, mass centralisation. There are many benefits, but unfortunately a couple of pretty big drawbacks.
Ok for DH but would be three times bigger for a trail bike.
I‘d like to buy a gearbox spec‘d bike.
v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=GB2434565&F=0
I remember the NS 500 motorcycle it had oval cylinders so you could get more valves, made no sense but they stayed till it won a few races then bailed.
German dentists favorite mtb company has a clean nice looking solution
images.app.goo.gl/awpkAFaWmawrnU2GA
Actually they have quite a few beautifully engineered and useful details but they lack international acclaim and marketing and are content with taking Euro x-alp riders and garda joeys money, as mr. word salad from sweden would say.
I've got a taniwha - it's one of the very first ones 3 1/2 years old. It has the same chain and chain rings that I first put on it... I probably ride 3 - 4 times a week and I neglect it horrifically, how many drivetrains do you go through just from wear and tear?
It's been my experience at trailheads etc that the people who are most critical/unconvinced, seem to mysteriously get dropped off the back.....
But when you're the type that can load your bike on the car rack without noticing a busted cable, I'm not surprised you're shredding derailleurs with regularity.
I have a friend that shows up to rides with a malfunctioning bike constantly, and I'm just like.... dude, do you even look at this thing when you go home? Answer: no. Well, HERE WE ARE AGAIN!
Well, yes i do!
And about the "professional" who "rushed that first frame.... what can i say, that does not sound that "professional"!!!
Great project mate. I would suggest to go on and build yourself your next wonder. Clearly you've got what it takes.
Improved suspension performance, this is achieved by removing a bunch of sprung weight from the rear wheel. Also the anti squat/pedal kickback can be optimised as there is only one gear at the back, rather than having to find a compromise amongst the bunch of different cog sizes on a cassette.
Mass centralisation, shifting weight from rear wheel to the frame improves handling.
Durability and reliabilty, not just of the gearbox itself, but also chains as a dead straight chain line means they are not being bent across a cassette. No cassettes to replace. Also, as mentioned above the better suspension performance can also be more gentle on rear wheels, particularly if coupled with suspension that has a rearward axle path.
Being able to change gears instantly without having to put in a pedal stroke. So you can change gears in the air without having to ET, and can change gears in a rock garden and be ready to sprint as soon as you exit.
The main disadvantage is that there is no standard for mounting them and they require a proprietary frame. But if someone's buying a bike with a gearbox it's pretty safe to assume the buyer is commited to it.
Increased drag, no matter how minor, is a pretty major disadvantage if youre into XC, but for gravity disciplines the advantages are definitely appealing.
A gearbox that would make the most sense to me personally would be something along the lines of Effigear. It makes it easy to have a high pivot bike. Its also lighter than Pinion. The Effigear itself has a ton of drag (like the Pinion) because it has a gear selector only on one array of gears, so all the disengaged gears are driven at all times. If one could put a gear selector on both arrays of gears, so only the gears that are active are being driven, then I bet you'd get comparable efficiency to the Rolloff.
From what I can tell, it works by using stages of planetary gears. I wonder if they have patents that prevent someone from taking the same basic design and package it into something that would fit within a normal bb width
GT, I think they were called...
That thing?
Hear that everyone?
I have been waiting for a long time such a bike like that!
27.5" - 170mm of travel, high pivot and the gear boxe!!!!!
Great work Fin. I have absolute respect for people like yourself who are willing to take risks at their own cost and time to try progress the experience of something we all love to do.
It does look like a design project, not an engineering one, as it's been made from nice swoopy carbon fibre, rather than functional aluminium. If it were mine, I'd really want to find out how it rode, so I'd get an aluminium hack made up using all the other bits of working hardware while trying to get the plastic right.
On the other hand, I'm not really interested in the gearbox. I see the advantages in some places, but not with the type of riding I do and the locations I ride. I have yet to break a derailleur, I live in a dry climate (easy to keep clean), I can shift under load, weighs way less (which says a lot since my bike is 40 pounds already). I can find parts anywhere for what I have.
Gearbox to me is kinda like a Hummer. Really great with the right application, but barely useful anywhere else. Most of us are far better off with a sedan, and even sedans have massive performance options.
This is Bullshit!
And it sounds like he would blame the "Big companies" for his failiure! The magic thing is MECHANICAL ENGINEERING and not just Product Design.
You cant just bulid a fully frame just by "Designing" it like a Designer would do. There is a scienence behind!!!
and why did he go directly into carbon? Just test the kinematic on a steel or aluminium prototype. its less expensive...
and dont give up if it din´t worked out the first time.
this guy made his own bike, and is stunning, SUCK IT.
He made his own bike, and learnt a thing or two in the process, now PB engineers talk shit about
the process or 'his words'. Lame.
My point was simply that you guys are geeking out over the asthetics of a good looking (unrideable) bike prototype, when unless I misunderstood the article, even the designer himself was disappointed in the quality of the execution... frame pivots were severely misaligned and the head-tube cracked upon insertion of the headset. So, maybe rideable to the market, but certainly doesn't sound like it's up to the task of fulfilling it's intended purpose. It almost suggests that some people here are.kore interested in starting at and/or buying bikes than they are in riding them, in which case I guess this one would work well for you.
do you really think people who do it
base their purchases solely on that or they can't ride?
"There is such a lack of focus on fun in the MTB industry." Is this true? Hell no. This guy says many things that are not true.
thirteen down votes from suckers that are prone to swallowing marketing hype .
To be able to shift gears without trouble seams more and more like a distant dream ( at least with sram eagle).
Nice job!
It may not have 500+ reach and cs, seat tube may be longer than 300mm and won’t take a 300mm dropper but it has a gearbox an idler, high pivot so please Pinkbike engineers, give them some credit. Even if you don’t like anti squat.
“ i love it .im going to buy one tomorrow . “
“ amazing , where can i get this “
“ this is so cool . i put my order in today .
:-D
Really awesome DIY though. Respect.
Chains and mech are here to stay... unless your name is Gwin. Not even top NASA engineers can figure out reliable lightweight affordable drive system for bicycles.
Sram jumped in and said all you need is 12 speed/dub. Well, Sram you can really suck it for delivering a bunch of new standards, new lies, 12 speed, Dub, and more shitty honky brakes. Trust me, the new Totum is gonna be another cool looking, leaky POS just like the original don't get yer hopes up. Sram engineers have been failing hard for decades now and you still buy into it? Remember yesterday when Pike was so good at first, but soon after we can't even give this junk away.
And what happened to Zerode, can you imagine trying to find service for that gear box on yer outdated $12,000 build bloody tragic . A brand new chain is $30 every 4 months.
Also: build a bike yourself before trash talking about a DIY bike.