The Pinkbike Podcast: Episode 113 - Your Questions Answered by the PB Editors

Mar 29, 2022 at 11:53
by Mike Levy  
Pinkbike Podcast
Art by Taj Mihelich


When we're not sure what to talk about, there's always a whole bunch of questions to answer. Today's episode sees Mike Kazimer, Sarah Moore, and myself quizzed on everything from what riding socks we prefer, the bikes we've liked the least, bushing play, cables routed through stems, doing a Field Test in Florida, and even some long-distance relationship advice that you should probably ignore. We also hit on oval chainrings, Brian's 24lb (???) steel hardtail, how inexpensive disc brakes can sometimes be so terrible, and a whole bunch of other stuff.

Got a question for the PB staff? Put it down below and we'll maybe answer it in a future episode.





THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 113 - YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY THE PB EDITORS
April 1st, 2022

If you're looking for relationship advice, this ain't the place.


Featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.


Previous Pinkbike Podcasts
Episode 1 - Why Are Bikes So Expensive?
Episode 2 - Where the Hell is the Grim Donut?
Episode 3 - Pond Beaver Tech
Episode 4 - Why is Every Bike a Trail Bike?
Episode 5 - Can You Trust Bike Reviews?
Episode 6 - Over Biked Or Under Biked?
Episode 7 - Wild Project Bikes
Episode 8 - Do We Need an Even Larger Wheel Size?
Episode 9 - Why Are We Doing a Cross-Country Field Test?
Episode 10 - Getting Nerdy About Bike Setup
Episode 11 - Are We Going Racing This Year?
Episode 12 - What's the Future of Bike Shops?
Episode 13 - Are Bikes Too Regular Now?
Episode 14 - What Bikes Would Pinkbike Editors Buy?
Episode 15 - What's Holding Mountain Biking Back?
Episode 16 - Who's Your Mountain Biking Hero?
Episode 17 - XC Field Test Insider
Episode 18 - Electronics on your Mountain Bike: Good or Bad?
Episode 19 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 20 - MTB Conspiracy Theories
Episode 21 - Stuff We Were Wrong About
Episode 22 - Does Your Riding Style Match Your Personality?
Episode 23 - Grim Donut 2 is Live!
Episode 24 - Why Even Buy a DH Bike?
Episode 25 - Fall Field Test Preview
Episode 26 - The Three Most Important Mountain Bikes
Episode 27 - The World Champs Special
Episode 28 - All About Women's Bikes
Episode 29 - Freeride or Die
Episode 30 - Would You Rather?
Episode 31 - Wet Weather Riding Tips & Tricks
Episode 32 - What Needs to Change in the Bike Industry?
Episode 33 - Behind the Scenes at Pinkbike Academy
Episode 34 - Grilling Levy About Field Test Trail Bikes (and His Bonspiel)
Episode 35 - Story Time - Stranger Than Fiction
Episode 36 - Grilling Kazimer about Field Test Enduro Bikes
Episode 37 - The 2020 Privateer Season with Ben Cathro
Episode 38 - Editors Defend Their 2020 Best-Of Picks
Episode 39 - Predicting the Future of Mountain Biking
Episode 40 - The Pinkbike Awards!
Episode 41 - Racing Rumours and Team Changes
Episode 42 - Mountain Biking's Guilty Pleasures
Episode 43 - Dangerholm's Wildest Custom Mountain Bikes
Episode 44 - Mountain Bike Suspension Decoded
Episode 45 - What Makes a Good Riding Buddy
Episode 46 - The RockShox Zeb vs Fox 38 Deep Dive
Episode 47 - High Pivot Bikes: The Good, The Bad, and The Why?
Episode 48 - Rides That Went Horribly Wrong... & Why That Made Them So Good
Episode 49 - What's the Best DH Bike?
Episode 50 - Are Bikes Actually Getting Less Expensive? (Value Bike Field Test Preview)
Episode 51 - Should MTB Media Post Spy Shots?
Episode 52 - Our Most Embarrassing MTB Moments
Episode 53 - Should Climbers Still Have the Right of Way?
Episode 54 - Best and Worst MTB Product Marketing
Episode 55 - Big Dumb Rides & Staying Motivated
Episode 56 - What Were the Most Important Inventions in Mountain Biking?
Episode 57 - What Were the Best (and Worst) Trends in Mountain Biking?
Episode 58 - Debunking Mountain Biking's Biggest Myths
Episode 59 - Value Bike Field Trip Surprises & Spoilers
Episode 60 - What Kind of Mountain Biker Do You Want to Be?
Episode 61 - Athlete Pay, Lycra, Equality and More from the State of the Sport Survey
Episode 62 - Editor Preferences and Why They Matter
Episode 63 - Our Best (And Worst) Bike Buying Advice
Episode 64 - Who's On Your MTB Mount Rushmore?
Episode 65 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 66 - The Best and Worst of Repairing Bikes
Episode 67 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham
Episode 68 - Who Are Mountain Biking's Unsung Heroes?
Episode 69 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 1
Episode 70 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 2
Episode 71 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham - A Pinkbike Podcast Special, Part 2
Episode 72 - Hey Outers!
Episode 73 - The Details That Matter... and Some That Shouldn't
Episode 74 - The Best Trails We've Ridden and What Makes Them So Special
Episode 75 - Things MTB Brands Waste Money On
Episode 76 - MTB Originals and Copycats
Episode 77 - Interview with Outside CEO, Robin Thurston
Episode 78 - Modern Geometry Explained
Episode 79 - What's the Future of eMTBs?
Episode 80 - The Best Vehicles for Mountain Bikers
Episode 81 - You've Got Questions, We've (Maybe) Got Answers
Episode 82 - Behind the Scenes at Field Test
Episode 83 - Does Carbon Fiber Belong On Your Mountain Bike?
Episode 84 - Explaining RockShox's Computer Controlled Suspension
Episode 85 - Is the Red Bull Rampage Too Slopestyle?
Episode 86 - Greg Minnaar on the Honda DH Bike, World Cup Racing, and Staying Fast Forever
Episode 87 - How to Love Riding When it's Cold and Wet
Episode 88 - Mountain Biking on a Budget
Episode 89 - The Derailleur Pickle
Episode 90 - Is Supre the Future of Trouble-Free Drivetrains? (with Cedric Eveleigh of Lal Bikes)
Episode 91 - Riding Every Double Black in the Whistler Bike Park with Christina Chappetta
Episode 92 - Does Bike Weight Really Matter?
Episode 93 - Staying Motivated and Overcoming Burnout
Episode 94 - PBA Contestant Tori Wood on Her First Race and Finding the Right Mindset
Episode 95 - Field Test Down-Country Bike Debrief
Episode 96 - PBA Contestant Israel Carrillo on Riding in Mexico and Why It's Not Always About Speed
Episode 97 - Can We Predict the Future of Mountain Biking?
Episode 98 - Field Test Trail Bike Debrief
Episode 99 - New Year, New You?
Episode 100 - Q&A with the PB Editors
Episode 101 - MTB Tradeshows Explained
Episode 102 - Should MTB Media Be Going to Press Camps?
Episode 103 - Secrets from the World Cup Pits with Henry Quinney
Episode 104 - Lachlan Morton on How to be a Happy Bike Racer and the World's Longest Climb
Episode 105 - The 3 Bike Budget Challenge
Episode 106 - What's Your Ideal Ride Look Like?
Episode 107 - How (And Why) Did You Start Mountain Biking?
Episode 108 - Behind the Scenes at the Value Bike Field Test
Episode 109 - Berm Peak's Seth Alvo on Making Videos 24/7, Soul Rides, and Building a Bike Park
Episode 110 - Trying (and Failing) to Reinvent the Mountain Bike
Episode 111 - The Pinkbike Racing Podcast: Episode #1 - It's All Downhill From Here
Episode 112 - The Pinkbike Racing Podcast: Episode #2 - The Lourdes World Cup Post-Race Wrap-Up

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  • 16 0
 Ah there it is, the audio herion of my week: PB podcast. Thanks @mikekazimer & @mikelevy

Field test in Florida? Skip the drug lords, strip clubs, sunburn & alligators - let me rudely suggest field test in western North Carolina. More trails than you could ride in 6 months from XC / mellow, rowdy to normal mountain trails, Kanuga bike park (designed/ built by Neko Mulally), Berm Park (opens April 23-free) and world class Pisgah. In eastern Tennessee - Baker Creek (Knoxville), Vee Hollar (Townsend) and Windrock could easily occupy you for weeks. Weather is perfect until July and even then - not that hot.

In fact, you could just open up a PB east office here - that's my vote. You need an eastern US field office I've determined. I'll get working on that.
  • 2 2
 I think the point of “Florida” as a field test location is that most of us don’t live in places like the PacNW or Western NC, so the trails on which many (most?) of us ride are very different than the ones on which PB tests their bikes. I think doing an XC or trail bike test in a flatter place to represent where more of us ride would be great.
  • 1 0
 @icthus13: Totally true & I did say I was being rude (also selfish). Just wanna get the PB crew here & get in 15 mins of shit talking with Levy. Didn't mean to steal your thunder. Field tests in Pisgah are prob not much different than S2Sky or other PNW areas, and even Tuscon is way diff’t than Moab, Colorado or lots of the Rockies

I think whats up is that the PBcrew just needs to do a North American Field Test. There, that'll maybe make us all happy
  • 1 0
 I still haven't been to NC, but that makes FAR more sense than FL. I'm in SoCal, the Tucson and Sedona terrain is much more fitting to me.
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: I've ridden here / southeast for nearly 30 yrs and have been on it all (harder tham ever too) so if ya ever wanna hit it, lemme know & I'll fill yr brain w/ recoms

I've ridden northeast NM and south/central CO a lot w/ buds there but neverSoCal or AZ...what would ya say are best bikes for that area or is that just still too broad to ask? Not a clue...everything in western NC is loam & rock, much like PNW...(hence this prob being white noise for PB field test...just wanna Meet the Mikes for 5 mins)
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 @Mtn-Goat-13: There really is no best bike in SoCal. There is such a huge variety of riding, you just pick that matches the terrain you like. I have a road, gravel, XC, and enduro bike. All great bikes in my area.

(Most time spent commuting on the road bike, followed by riding the E29).

I recently did the True Grit Epic in Utah. The winner was from NC. I heard him talk about how it was odd how he could trust the traction so much on the rocks, you just stick to everything because it is dry and there are no roots!
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 @JSTootell: Well you've got me on road, gravel & xc...all that here too but I'm mostly on trail /enduro style w/ The Schoolbus (Capra). But, the new rig has a Manitou Mezzer w 140-180 (tokens vs. airsprings) so its way easier to move from 140-180 and then change out the shock (w/ shock struts) so it can be 110/130, 130/150 or 155/160 (up to 180) rig as needed w/ an Eminent Onset...its pretty wild. Pedals up way better than the Cap and just as fast otherwise tho - carbon scares me vs. alum. Point being: I don't take advantage of road, gravel or xc.

Wild about the NC rider...what kinda race is that btw or various classes? Gotta get out there sometime. The CO/NM stuff is great but its not just raw rock.
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 @Mtn-Goat-13: I have bounced my E29 down some nasty rock sections for the past 4 years. Stuff where I knew I was going to have a broken frame. Nope, just chipped paint every time. I am pretty comfortable with carbon bikes now.

True Grit is a 100 (*cough* 805 *cough*) endurance race, a part of the NUE series in southwest Utah. Dirtwire TV was filming out there, I will see if I can find the video in a few.
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 @Mtn-Goat-13:

I get my 3 seconds of fame at 1:29 (rolling past a walker). That section is called "The Waterfall" and most people walk it, as you can see in the video.

I finished 5th in Open. Pretty far behind the winner.

youtu.be/KNUf2UQ92kU
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 @JSTootell: Word, will check it - thx for the linkage (and the “accepting carbon” tip…ive been poisoned about it, seriously)
  • 2 0
 @JSTootell: Well damn, that looks like biking on Mars compared to Blue Ridge forest riding (essentially a temperate rainforest ) Caught you at 1:29… expecting a mailed napkin autograph now. Saw Nick Bragg’s in the vid - dont know him but hes all over Strava t10s & koms in this area so he’s obviously a bad ass everywhere. Looks like got 1st in some category - mens whole race?
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 @Mtn-Goat-13: Only cats were Open and Masters (50+). So he won the Open Mens 100.

My typo above says 805, should be 85 miles.
  • 2 0
 @JSTootell: So my 15 mins is being tied w/ Nick on a few top 10's in my area (Asheville NC) so...go ahead and send me that signed napkin autograph with all the stats and I'll send mine w/ Nick's profile pic (which I think is a chubby dude w/ manboobs, not offense to men, chubs, or boobs)
  • 9 0
 I have a random question for you... What’s the worst tag line you can think of for a bike brand?
  • 12 0
 Steep and Deep, Ride Or Die, Shred Til Death... They're all freaking terrible.
  • 4 0
 our bike is better than that of our competitor please buy it we accept bitcoin thank you
  • 4 0
 "X amount faster than our previous model"
  • 6 0
 recently a friend came to visit and he demo'd a sentinel from the transition outpost. the tech who was getting him set up told us, "bring me back a loam shelf!" in the dorkiest way imaginable, and i about lost it. ruined the whole brand for me honestly.
  • 6 0
 @kirchenschlager: Transition have always skirted near the boundary between Playfully Ironic and Up Their Own Arses. I think this guy crossed it.
  • 4 0
 Work less, ride more... or something.
  • 2 0
 Being the odd one here, as usual. But seeing the "GiddyUp" thing on Transition is kinda funny.

I have a horse. I don't want my bike to be ANYTHING like a horse. God that would be a miserable mountain bike ride.
  • 2 0
 @JSTootell: Let me guess, it is the suspension bob that annoys you. I've seen people ride horses and there is a lot of bob. From what I understand (from reading sponsored articles and press releases), suspension bob is bad, mmmkay? Install an FSR linkage, that should help. If the horse bucks you off, install a floating rear brake too for a bit more brake squat.
  • 4 0
 Question for the team - if not for the podcast discussion, and maybe it's even a little rhetorical:

To the point about Outside making the race team happen, that's great, and I appreciate that the cost of Beta isn't a lot in the MTB world but I have an issue, I want my money to go to the thing I want to support! If I sign up for Beta it will be anonymous, so can't be directly funnelled to the team, it will cover a load of other costs before what's left ends up at its intended destination, the team.
Can we have a way of funding the race team without having to buy Beta? I am sure I am not alone in wanting to do the former but refusing do the latter.
Either something like GoFundMe which a number of racers seem to be using anyway, or even a subscription on Pinkbike with nothing behind it, as a funding mechanism? Although you may have backed yourself into a corner there promising to never have subs on this site. I may be run out of town for suggesting that, if that happens, so be it.

Could it be time to have a poll to see what people would prefer, might be worth it if there's something that would cause less discourse and still fund Henry FedEx Expressing his keys around the world?

There have been a load of mergers and acquisitions in all sectors over the past couple of years, with branding being the hardest thing to get right.
Have you considered the following in terms of branding, if pushing Pinkbike content into Beta?
* New users will potentially get lost / miss content - I have seen this with a podcast in the UK moving to a bigger platform
* You'll potentially lose listeners if you they can't listen on their chosen platform, i.e. not a website
* There might be a potential issue with sponsors at renewal time if the audience for the team is far smaller than Pinkbike which is what they signed up for
* Pinkbike is a brand regardless of where it is and if that's behind a Beta subscription, you're essentially putting a paywall (hate that term, but not as much as Brian, I'm sure) on Pinkbike

I realise someone along the chain of command will have a remit in the Outside deal to cross sell and grow the Beta membership numbers but do that by making it too good to miss out on as Beta, not by some sleight of hand (appreciate that's a dick comment, but it makes a point).
  • 1 0
 Well said - I made a windbagging comment along these lines last week and got areaounding “Zzzzzzzzz” / complete radio silence from PB or anyone.

Creative options (many!) to support the race team seem to have been bypassed with a plea to join Beta & THAT will cover the team. Really? Who designed this? There are literally infinite ways to raise money for the team other than “join beta”… Pink bike racing team fundraisers, subscriptions, bike / parts raffles, product purchases, gofundme, sponsorships (repeating what u said), etc… There could be so many fronts to this that it’s incredible

Id kick in on any and many of these - lots of buy in just outta sheer PB love. not anti-Beta but really… Beta has no history, no established fan base, and no one has explained why a Beta subscription is the only way to help fund PB racing… as you noted, how much of that subscription $$$ can actually goto the team?

Point being, and I think we both agree on this: supporting PB racing through just a beta prescription is pretty weak, and I’m just surprised this seems to be the only method and there’s no other discussion about other options
  • 4 0
 Doesn't everyone know merino wool socks for less smell???

Come show the Midwest some Pinkbike love! Michigan gets my vote for XC Field test, CH and Marquette have great elevation changes and no gators. Win win
  • 2 0
 Skip the merino, go for thick bamboo socks. It's the tradie standard.
  • 1 0
 @dirtyburger: THAT KILLS. One ofmthe best comments of all time
  • 1 0
 I just don't shower. If every part of you smells, the feet aren't an issue anymore. Also prefer to ride mostly solo, so it helps keep the bros away.
  • 1 0
 double up on both the vote for lightweight wool socks and for UP Michigan. Hit up marquette or even copper harbor!
  • 3 0
 On socks- I didn't care in the past, but it turns out that sock guyz price range socks are about the perfect price when your kids ask you what you want for fathers day. I think I maybe have 25 pairs now. Also technical winter socks, can't live without those now.
  • 3 0
 I'm still waiting to hear why 12 speed is so much better than 11 speed with a small chainring!! And I'd love to have you talk through the difference in climbing gear Ratio vs. Cassette Range and clarify/move away from using the word Range to describe how a bike is easier to climb. Will the industry turn towards a Lighter, 9 or 10 speed wide range drivetrain in the future? Lighter, less shifts, simpler, cheaper, the weight is ESPECIALLY important directly on the rear axle. See my previous question... www.pinkbike.com/news/the-pinkbike-podcast-episode-105-the-3-bike-budget-challenge.html Thanks!!
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 It has been beaten to death on forums for a few years now.

It all depends on your needs. For me, 12 speed is ideal. I could get away with a wide range (10-46 AT LEAST) 10 speed on my trail bike, but I would rather even go with a wide 10-50 14 speed on my XC bike, but my current 10-52 12 speed is just fine.
  • 5 0
 I would like to hear a whole episode on what PSI everyone is running.in their tires.
  • 1 0
 Ditto on that (though I'm pretty set on my psi these days and it can fluctuate) but the thing that gets me the most is when someone's talking about their psi but not relating it to body weight (mostly) then riding style and temps. In winter you can go up a few psi per tire and be fine. I've not searched the PB site but I bet from the homepage (forums are questionable!) you could find some good articles...
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 @mikelevy: Thx amigo. I've not read much on psi lately - just keep testing with & w/o inserts on trails I ride often, but like anything its great to keep an open mind. Looking forward to reading.

I love when I tell people I'm riding 25 front & rear...that's 25 w/ Cush and 25 tubeless. It requires explaining.
  • 2 0
 @tchrist41 Why? We all are different body weights and ride all different ways, why would you want X amount of different answers. Plenty of charts on the web that have baseline numbers.
  • 2 0
 @Andr0id: It was a joke.
  • 1 0
 @tchrist41: You got me on that but...I could still listen to a whole ep. about it
  • 2 0
 Question for Podcast @mikelevy
First of all thank you for answering my questions about brands offering bike customised build. It makes sense.
I have a question specific to the Specialized Stumpjumper. What would be the difference in the ride feel and the bike's ability between the carbon frame with flex stay versus the alloy with it's four-bar Horst link (all other parts being equal)? And probably most importantly, would anyone, outside pro or tech editors, would notice the difference? especially if the suspension is probably not set up correctly, the tire pressure is off and those latest Yeti shorts are riding up your arse?
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy Alternate question (or additional one), on suspension. Imagine this magical world where a bike mechanic who is the "Einstein" of suspension setup, builds three identical bikes except for the suspension. One bike is fitted with Fox Factory suspension, the second with Fox Performance Elite and you guessed it, the third one fitted with Fox Performance suspension.
Does his rider friend who is far from being the Isaac Newton of trail riding would notice the difference in ride feel?
Similar to drivetrains where it is regularly stated that Deore operate exceptionally well relative to XTR with weight being the main difference. How do the three tiers of suspensions in both main brands differ to each other in ride feel and ability? I appreciate they may have different dampers or adjustments but how much is marketing BS vs true tangible performance enhancement. Paraphrase as you wish
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy I also had that Joplin lever post dropper and everyone trashed it. The level of disgust back then compared the absolute necessity of the dropper now is crazy. The saddle mount would always loosen and rotate or fall off and shredded bruised my thigh a little too close to the important bits.
  • 3 0
 I wear Darn Tough wool socks for everything. They have a variety of thicknesses and fits. They don't stink because they're wool. And lifetime warranty, when they wear out you just send em in and they send you a new pair.
  • 2 0
 Quality sock chat!

// WARNING: Shilling for the luxury sock industry //
Think I only got them due to being on sale originally, but I really like the Rapha ones - very good at thing of being warm and comfortable but not getting too hot. Totally sold on them now. And, Kaz, really like they label L and R - shapes to your feet with use. For your predicament get two pairs the same and pair them LL and RR.

But, yes, you don't need all of the best most expensive gear, but sport specific and stuff designed to wick sweat and not chafe. You can always look at what the fancy ones are made of and use that as the benchmark for something more budget / in sales.
  • 2 0
 My question is who keeps knocking the mic in the podcasts... have heard it over the last few and listening with headphones, I keep thinking there's something thumping in my house... My guess is @mikelevy based on who's been on the various podcasts...
  • 1 0
 OMG, it's so distracting. I kept pulling one earcup off to see if my kids were jumping around in the other room or something.
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 @SoCalTrev: ha - exactly, glad it's not just me....
  • 1 0
 I have a question for the next one.

Why do most full suspension bikes have less travel in the rear than the front. Why don't they just match the travel. For example, the Nukeproof Reactor is a 130 mm in the rear and 150 in the front. Wouldn't it make more sense to match the travel? Even if you compare to motor sports like trophy truck racing they actually have more travel in the rear then they do in the front. What would be so different about MTB that we would need less in the rear?
  • 2 0
 Please, please, please make Kaz’s Spotify playlist happen!
I am also down for extended podcasts where the team talks about other random stuff, UFO’s, music, formula one, Etc.
  • 1 0
 Back in the vehicles for mtn biking a few of you mentioned preferring to store the bike inside your vehicle. This made me wonder how y'all manage cleaning your bike?
I live & ride in Utah where we have trails of clay mud to red sand -- wondering what bike cleaning routines, choice of dry/wet lubes, how often are you pulling out the toothbrush to clean components or do you pull a Sam Pilgrim (insert obscure reference of him cleaning a bike with a monster energy drink) method?
  • 1 0
 Back in the vehicles for mtn biking a few of you mentioned preferring to store the bike inside your vehicle. This made me wonder how y'all manage cleaning your bike?
I live & ride in Utah where we have trails of clay mud to red sand -- wondering what bike cleaning routines, choice of dry/wet lubes, how often are you pulling out the toothbrush to clean components or do you pull a Sam Pilgrim (insert obscure reference of him cleaning a bike with monster energy drink) method?
  • 3 2
 Can you explain on videos that PB posts, do the riders who post those get compensation by PB? do you guys just repost it from YouTube and if they get ad revenue from YT does that carry over watching it on PB? Not trying to be dickish or sound like a hater of PB, just wondering about it since a lot of post are of videos from riders YouTube channels/
  • 4 0
 Not a web expert in the least but I think riders still get the views/likes/subscribes/etc from Youtube being that the video is just embedded. Pinkbike then also makes ad revenue from the traffic generated on the site.
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 That’s a good one. Added to the list for the next episode.
  • 1 0
 No - all about the content creators, it's great to have videos on sites like PinkBike, it will help to increase the reach, and often they promote the video with some narrative about why it's worth a watch.

Revenue sharing for embedded videos: Only YouTube and the video owner will earn revenue from ads on embedded videos. The site owner where the video is embedded will not earn a share.

Sorry if that's done you out of a question, @mikelevy, or maybe just saved you some research.
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flag mollow (Mar 31, 2022 at 12:18) (Below Threshold)
 Pretty simple really. The content creator gets his views and pinkbike get theiir money from your click on their page when they sell your data and you see an ad generated by their website. smarten the fuck up
  • 4 0
 @mollow: edgy ehh.
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flag mollow (Mar 31, 2022 at 13:23) (Below Threshold)
 @Whataboutism: what the f*ck are you even on about?
  • 6 0
 @mollow: Thought Id check in again - we all know living in yr parents basement is rough, esp w/ all those tissues & lotion laying about buy get outside, go hit a ride on that Walmart bike & youll feel better my man
  • 1 0
 I have worked in the industry for basically my entire adult life so I have always ridden whatever I had access to at my job at the time. I don't have that level of access anymore and for the first time, I'm looking at probably paying at or near retail for a new frame. What is all out there that you guys have been impressed with within the vein of the Top Fuel and Spur? I'm not worried about racing, but I also live in the plains so don't need anything much bigger. Bonus points for alloy, but considering carbon as well.
  • 2 0
 They really seemed to enjoy the Rocky Mountain Element...
  • 1 0
 I'm only ever riding steeper / rockier areas (western NC) and don't have an XC/DC style bike but several of PB episodes go into these models and Im' pretty sure Kaz has a Spur for his faster / XC style bike
  • 3 0
 What about the alloy Top Fuel?
  • 2 0
 @icthus13: That's definitely on the list, but I've spent most of my career working with Treks, so if I'm going to pay retail anyway I'm just trying to figure out if there are any models I'm not thinking of.
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 @lyfcycles: Gotcha.

As far as alloy, Orbea makes an alloy Oiz with a decent build kit. Scott has an alloy Spark (not the RC race bike).

Other than that, off the top of my head the Kona Hei Hei, Giant Trance 29, and Stumpjumper all have alloy versions.
  • 1 0
 Why do you guys think the UCI basically ignores the pleas of everybody but themselves when it comes to the desire to hold more WC DH races? Ever since I've been into watching them it seems to be a nearly universal opinion that more races would be a good thing, but the UCI ignores it.

Along those lines, is it the UCI or Whistler who is dragging their feet getting on the calendar? Wasn't there rumbles of having a WC DH at the Creekside zone or whatever its called? Seemed to be talked about for a couple years a while ago but it seems all but quiet now.
  • 3 0
 I think the issue comes down to how the events are hosted. The organisation is all done by the event location team, and they then pay the UCI to get the World Cup to come. I think a lot of venues struggle to get enough sponsorship to pay for the race to come.
  • 1 0
 So I’m running like 90ish psi in my lyrik (160 mm travel ultimate)and I haven’t been able to bottom it out even on good sized jumps I’m 165 lbs. But if I run any less pressure it feels like it dives in corners and when braking. Can I fix this with more volume spacers? Or is that only going to make the top of the stroke stiffer?
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 I love this type of thing: I am 180lbs & run between 65-75lbs (well below recom'd) w/ 2 spacers in my Lyirk BUT I also play around w/ upping LSC (this is the basic damper) so its often @ 1/2 to full compression pending terrain - 1/2 LSC on rowdy western NC (steep, babydoll head rock w/ drops or hits) and then 3/4 to full LSC at a park like Kanuga. Take a day & run none to 4 spaces & play w/ pressure on the same trail - it'll change how you ride & think of fork pressure.
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 If it feels good I wouldn't worry about bottoming it out. You could run less volume spacers or more LSC with a lower pressure. Bottoming out is not a performance metric so I really wouldn't worry about it.
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 Is 90psi what's recommended? Seems high?

More slow speed compression is what you need to hold that fork up. It's a game changer on the Lyrik.
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 @mobiller: My Lyrik sticker reads 85-95 psi for180-200lbs but 85 feels too harsh. Thats 0 spacers tho so with 2, I kept dropping psi til it felt right. I guess thats the knack: just takes some time & attention…
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 @Mtn-Goat-13: Miss my Lyrik. Have a 36 now, definitely preferred the simple setup and subsequent performance from day one of the Lyrik. PSI as recommended, rebound couple clicks from full open, ditto high speed compression, few clicks in of slow speed, and done.

Needed some low speed compression dialed in to hold it up for sure, though.

Plus the 50hr service of the Rockshox cost nothing in parts.
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 @DirkMcClerkin: Def hear ya on the Lyrik vs 38tho I could stand the 2.1 charger damper which does make a big difference - do u have 2.1 tho? Forgot to mention rebound - but yeah, a major setting too. The Lyrik is so much easier to service than a Fox that I just couldn't deal. That being said I just bought a Manitou Mezzer (expert) for another bike and with a 140-180mm travel adjust w/ tokens and just as easy as Rockshox… it should be a dream. Def keeping the Lyrik tho... and honeslty the 200 hr service isnt even that much harder. I also bleed the damper 1x/yr - just takes a 13/16ths wrench as special tool
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 Can I offer some constructive criticism about the sinking value propositions of bike reviews coming from Outside (PB/Beta)?

1) Beta: These video reviews are so incomprehensibly bad. I don't think I've been able to get through a full one in years. I tried watching a video of a bike I was interested in (Evil Insurgent MX) and after about 2 minutes, I realized these guys/gals are in a completely different talent threshold than myself and will thus have a completely different ride experience. Their opinion is almost entirely worthless to me. It isn't my intention to sound arrogant, but to share further, I then found the Beta review of another bike I own (Offering V2) and sure enough, this 40 year old dude and two (won't guess their ages) women might as well have been talking about a completely different bike than the own I owned. Their discussion on the climbing portion was accurate (it's a DW bike that climbs well), but as soon as they started talking about pointing it downhill, it became apparent that I have nothing to gain from listening to this group of three riders talk about picking their way down a hill.

The format is also just so cringey to me. Why on earth would I want to watch three people on bar stools drinking craft beer talk about bikes? I'd happily sit on a barstool with two of my friends and talk about our bikes, but that isn't something to watch.

2) I used to pay attention to PB reviews, but they've gotten so stale and always leave out the most critical piece of information as to why I should listen to anything a reviewer has to say: "Why should I trust the reviewer?" I know PB has a couple of certified hard chargers (Henry/Seb), but how fast are Mike and Mike? What about Alicia? Why should I (an admittedly total try hard) think that you can properly convey what I will experience on the bike?

I want to emphasize that I'm not trying to sound arrogant or cocky, I just know my own talent threshold and I really struggle to figure out which talent band most PB reviewers fall into. I wouldn't trust a dude bro at a shop I've never seen ride to help me pick out the bike I'll spending thousands of my own dollars to race that year, so why should I trust you? I know not everything is about racing times and pedigree (I know a lot of racers who would be absolutely terrible bike reviewers), but it would be nice if we even had visual cues to gauge whether or not your riding styles is something we even jive with or relate to.

The only bike review videos I trust are FreeHub Mag (because I watch him ride and I know he's pushing at a respectable pace, cornering well, etc.) and (I admit this is odd and I take his reviews with a grain of salt) Jeff Kendall -- maybe because he just exudes the epitome of bike control?

I get you have to cater to all crowds and talent bands, so maybe continue to let Beta reviews be the god-awful things that they are, but can you evolve Pinkbike bike reviews to include more actual riding? You have access to so many test bikes at a time, what if you did a POV run on the bike in question, and a POV run on the bike you're comparing it to? That would be a lot more impactful than just having two or three summary paragraphs talking about idler drag or what have you. Or maintain a standout bike in each category that you do a compared POV run to. Run a Spesh Enduro as the "control" and compare it to a Norco Range.

I appreciate everything ya'll do at PB, I just want to encourage you to evolve so that you can maintain the attention of some of the more talented people on this site, and not just all the newcomers who have joined this site in the last 2 years.
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 Alicia has raced in the EWS.

Matt Beer is a former Canadian national DH champ.

Sarah Moore has raced in the XC World Cup.

They’ve got some fast folks, but maybe they need to put that stuff on their staff bio pages or something.
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 @icthus13: Ah, Matt is the pinner I think I was thinking of when I acknowledged Henry/Seb. It should have read Henry/Matt.

I'm relatively certain most of the people on staff at PB are better than average and I know some are outright bad asses. I think the heart of the matter here is that I think there's just a much more valuable way to review bikes that can appeal to a wider audience.
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 @fullendurbro:
Just out of curiosity what is your skill level? local level pro class at an Enduro race top in the expert class?
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 @Garantson: Strava is my race course and I'm a full Strava Factory racer.

Just kidding. I've stood on the podium at a pro BME race *but* the Yeti Factory boys were all at an EWS, so if they were there they all would have pushed me to tenth. lol I've qualified for EWS, but happy to acknowledge that was pretty lucky as I think I just raced an EWS gold quali where some talented dudes didn't show up.
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 I think Mike Levy came pretty close to the sharp end of BCBR a a few years ago.
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 If you want to need out on gravity droppers take a fun field trip to the mountain biking Hall of Fame museum in Marin and ask for Joe Breezer, he will give you a personal tour and also show you the original gravity dropper that he invented as the originator of the dropper. I think I remember him saying he sold them for $2 each Smile
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 Haven't ridden really with Kaz, but he and I ride with a lot of the same people and places. He's fast, skilled, and probably the reviewer I trust most. That said, he's not as heavy as me by a huge margin, so I also have to keep that in mind. Pinkbike can't realistically satisfy everyone all of the time, buy I do think their current staff is actually quite qualified. I agree that some POV or 3rd person each time may be useful. Spencer from Freehub is a monster on a bike too.
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 This is a bit cringy but great point about evolving the review format. Guessing 90% of people go straight down to pros and cons and dont really read the stuff anyway.
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 @MikeyMT: I tried to strike a balance between providing context as to why I think their reviews no longer cater to advanced riders, and not sounding like an arrogant dingus. I can see how parts of it came off as cringey, but it wasn't my intention, and if it means we can start a dialogue that leads to better reviews, then I'm all for coming off as a little cringey.
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 @fullendurbro Username checks out.

In all seriousness though, having the top 1% of riders reviewing bikes will obviously be great for knowing how capable the bikes really are. That doesn't really help the 99% though for the reasons you mentioned (it'll be a different experience for them). I think having middle ground is good, and their current reviews cover most bases. Matt is a fricken beast, and is easily one of Canada's fastest and most composed riders. I've heard Mike Kaz is pretty quick, as is Henry. I struggle to enjoy most of Kaz's reviews because they are very cookie cutter/ bland. That being said, having so many similar reviews really made the Norco Range review shine (as it should). They have the XC grounds also covered as was mentioned above.
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 damn and I thought the Fast Guy Flex was to already know what you're looking for...
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 @leon-forfar: I have three thoughts to the things you mentioned:

1) Username for sure checks out. I wear 100% clothing, and drink whey protein from a blender bottle after every ride before I even pull out the strava to check how many KOMS I stole.

2) I think that riders in the "top 1%" will be able to better understand what a beginner is looking for and can still provide just as good of a review for beginners while also being able to give context to great riders. Whereas a rider in the top 65% will not be able to give a review to someone in the top 1%. And now that PB/Beta have merged, Beta can better cover the bases for beginners.

3) My biggest complaint is not that the current crop of PB editors are not talented or appropriately sick (and I hope that's not what @mikelevy gets from my comment). The heart of my complaint is that the format as-is does not showcase enough riding and needs to evolve to ideally include more riding content and could especially do better comparing bikes back-to-back or in comparison to a control bike. More riding footage in reviews would also give us the ability to decide whether or not we can take the reviewer's experience with a grain of salt, or if we would have similar outcomes on the same bike.
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 @owl-X: The fast guy flex is to have a bike provided to you by a frame sponsor. The try-hard flex is to spend thousands of dollars every year on a bike that might help make up for the gap in your talent with superior engineering. Wink
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flag mollow (Mar 31, 2022 at 11:23) (Below Threshold)
 @sweaman2: lmao he got 15th in ONE STAGE because he knew the course better than anyone else

Kaz, Levy, Moore, Leggett and Park are absolute Joeys
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 @mollow: I just like to skid around tbh Wink
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 I hold a perhaps unpopular opinion that bike reviews are pretty useless for 99 percent of consumers. The placebo effect in bikes is huge and i would bet the vast majority of bike riders (myself included) wouldnt be able to tell the difference between an sb160 and enduro and a range in blind tests. All bikes are good and the majority of riders are running poorly set up suspension, not great tire pressures ect ect.

A guy i ride with who is decent but not great loves his enduro, especially after reading a glowing review. i looked at his bike and he was running full compression front and rear and 35 psi in both tires.
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 @fullendurbro: good question from and response to @Garantson - original post made you sound a bit too The Big I Am.

I asked a question from the other end of the spectrum regarding the team's abilities a little while back that got an answer, probably somewhere in the 105 - 110 episode range, there was a short but interesting chat Mike to Mike about what it takes to be a good reviewer and how being an absolute beast on the bike can be a disadvantage as a reviewer. I'm at the beginner / slower end of the spectrum (and will not be going Beta, thank you very much, you can keep that suggestion!) and therefore have to apply a conversion from a professional rider (if not racer) to my plebian level. Fully appreciate your point but perhaps riders at your end of the spectrum would need to do likewise based on the relvative reviews of bikes / kit that you know? I enjoy the reviews, even of bikes I'd never buy, but would like to see more riding - if the current format is what works for most then maybe even if that's post credits adding in some runs?
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 @mikelevy: stop doing that shit, next you will be double bad and be skidding around on an ebike basically destroying the entire mountain with your leet skills.
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 @skiandmtbdirtbag: This is a great point. Frankly I only really look at the reviews once I start bike shopping then compare across a few of the top picks in my mind to get a better sense of each. All that said and to play devils advocate...we always read here, its not the bike its the rider...wouldn't that mean that @fullendurbro should be good on any bike regardless of review and the reviews really should be catered to us Joeys who need all the help we can get?
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 @mollow: plenty of people still bring up the, admittedly old, Enve and Rocky Mountain reviews that were quite harsh. More recently though, not much mentioned beyond the bad paint quality of Transition. Meanwhile other reviews can’t make it through a few rides on a Norco without serious issues with hardware.

As for over at Beta, Travis Engel is the one I trust the most amongst the regular crew.

I wish pinkbike had someone sendy on staff that weighs over 90kg/200lbs.
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 @mollow: it could also be that people who are riding as much aren’t typically as large as others. Something about cardio and fitness
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 @fullendurbro:
We did a dozen plus trips to Golden after my best bud moved there, the scene was huge and the local riders were all awesome. Couldn't wait to get back each time.

But honestly nothing on this planet can prepare you for the general skill level of mountain bikers in the Sea to Sky corridor. I have randomly followed pro women there that rode lines that I couldn't begin to get my head around. Bumping into super stars male and female that leave you too star struck to speak coherently is a regular occurrence lol.

Unless you're there and are in the top tier of riders, it's pretty tough to speculate accurately about your talent level being above the local rippers, like Alicia, Matt, Christina, etc.
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 Can certify Mike Kazimer knows how to ride a bike. Also agree 1000% about the Bible of Bike Test videos.
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 @schlockinz: we aren’t all built short and scrawny, regardless of how much we ride. Come on over to the 100+ rides a year thread if you need any riding motivation.
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 @DHhack: Yep. I ride that much, but I also like pizza too much to be skinny.
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 @skiandmtbdirtbag:

A friend of mine upgraded from a hard tail to an carbon Orbea Occam and it took over a month of me nagging to get him to set up the suspension to his weight. And that was just to recommended settings, no testing, no further adjustments
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 You need some BKXC bike reviews IMO
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 I think a lot of their value comes from riding hundreds of different bikes which allows the editors to have a fine tuned feel for bike characteristics and be able to point out the small differences between them.
  • 2 1
 Really curious to better understand the increased risk of dental issues in endurance athletes, and how that translates into mountain biking. Saw it on the Outside homepage and immediately knew, YES it is time for me to get a membership - this is the type of content I love to read after I wrap up work at my dentistry practice and ride home on my Yeti.

Terrible jokes aside, do people read that nonsense? I hop over there once or twice a week to see if there is anything decent, and tbh I usually come away laughing at the articles like I listed above. Now in all fairness I'm not actually reading them so if it's satire, then tell me to shut up.

Maybe there is a market for these articles, but it just... doesn't seem to fit that of the pinkbike target audience, so I wonder how much overlap (and utility) would there be for 99% of "Pinkers" to get an outside+ membership.
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 Gotta agree. I like Palmer, Eliot & the former BikeMag staffbut my feeling is that Robins driving his CEO style vision of the entity (that's speculation) and its just Meh. Dunno… but you nailed it. Articles that sound like CEO guys like Robin might like. Having followed PB for what, 2 decades now (only commenting a few yrs tho) Im just not seeing why I should then up the ante to Beta when its less engaging if not fully Russian cigarette sky-gray when theres endless engaging content to view & comment / engage with on PB - and lets not forget: a huge chunk of PBs cult status is all the engagement from users.
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 Suspicious number of Walmart sock references. Subliminal messaging brought you by the “Mountain Bike Capital of the World”?
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 What does a typical day for a tech editor look like? Do you guys work 40 hours a week?
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 Definitely had a gravity dropper in 2009 on my Blur LT. They worked great and ran one way past tthe time people had problems with their joplins till the time KS made a reliable post. Wish those guys could have progressed with the market cause they definitely deserved to get paid.
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 I hate to be the bearer of good news @mikelevy , but I don't use THOSE power meter pedals. I have a Cinch PM (please start making them again @raceface !!!) and I run flat pedals on that bike most of the time. With as many pedals I have destroyed, I would be broke running $1200 platform pedals
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 My feedback on Florida - I live in the northeast US (NY/PA), and have raced and ridden all over the US, so I have a decent idea of what is out there, as far as trail types. I've also spent a decent bit of time in FL.

The only decent riding I found was in the Jacksonville area. That said, I haven't been to the panhandle, and I bet it's decent there, given the terrain and outdoorsy culture. The Jacksonville scene is cool, Katheryn Hanna park has very well-built trails, and there are a few smaller places with nice features around the city as well. It's worth bringing a MTB if you're going to be in the area anyway, but it's a terrible place for a field test, because the riding conditions are so uniform. It's all relatively smooth, twisty singletrack, which is good fun to ride, but very hard to learn much about a bike's brakes or suspension on.

That said, FL - at least the NE part - is a really great place to own a hardtail. I had the original Specialized Fuse at the time, and something like that (or even an XC hardtail) is just perfect for those trails. I imagine other places in the deep south and midwest US are similar, so a field test focused on how to maximize fun on flat trails wouldn't be a bad thing. I find that really fast tires, like XC race tires, are key to keeping speed up and making flat trails fun.
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 Hi guys,

After waiting a few months I am going to receive my sentinel next week in Bellingham. Kazimer, do you still ride the sentinel? I know you did an in depth review on it but I just want to hear how it compares to everything you’ve ridden so far in the PNW terrain. GIDDY UP!
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 I would love to hear some stories, reviews, feedback on aftermarket links (e.g. Cascade). When does progression become too much? The cascade link bumps the progression on my frame up to 33%. It'd be nice to hear some reviews or thoughts. Doesn't seem to be many unbiased reviews out there. I mean, if I paid $300 for something on my bike, I'm going to tell everyone it rules.
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 Socks are one of the things I'll be the most picky about because I'm so hyper aware of what my feet are doing. I can't use anything with cotton in the blend, it has to be polyester, polypropylene, or wool blends only. Thicker socks for the fall and spring riding give some nice padding, thinner, maybe compression socks for the summer. I love defeet, smartwool, or darn tough for MTB. On days when I'm pretending to be a roadie I'll bust out some thin, compression, high rise wool from giro since those shoes are so much more rigid; it's almost like ski boot fit.
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 @sarahmoore If you're interested in the outdoors in Florida, this woman has a bunch of really interesting videos on hiking the Florida Trail. The first minute of this video is fantastic: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRHEBYwyLVs
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 If your dog smells like a dog, is it still clean or is it to be considered a dirty dog?
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 XC field test in San Felasco, FL. Reasonable elevation changes for the area. Do it in July for the authentic heatstroke experience.
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 Do it in January to escape the PacNW snow. They can come to the Tour de Felasco, haha.

Honestly though, I’d rather they go to Santos and have San Felasco remain less known, personally. Plus they would probably enjoy the Santos tech features more than our humble XC trails.
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 How long should you keep your bike before switching for a new or newuse one, cost of buying a new bike vs depreciation? New technologies better components or is it better to keep and upgrade a solid frame with good geo?
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 For where I live my frame isn't holding me back at all. So it got a nicer used fork, better brivetrain some nice brakes. It's to the point now where if I were to buy a new bike I would have to spend 6k or so just to get the same components.
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 So turns out the Walmart socks I was buying are 80% cotton. Went to sport check and picked up some polyester/spandex socks and all is well again!

P. S. Levy it's pronounced height. Should make things easier haha
  • 2 0
 Florida Field Test, instead of Huck to Flat you can Jump the Gators at alafia swamp gap:
youtu.be/_CaNdeZhgSc?t=375
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 How deep is your love?
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 What's cooler than being cool?
  • 4 0
 How many feathers are on a Purdue chicken?

How many fibers are intertwined in a Shredded Wheat biscuit?

How many times did the Batmobile catch a flat?
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 @vinay: being ice cold.
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 Why is the UCI important? It kinda seems like this giant organization that is filled with old white men, who never really understand riding, like making rules but don't seem to do anything helpful to grow cycling.

It sounds to me like they are a Cycling version of the UN they say a bunch of things and like being bossy and spending money (making it) but they never really do anything useful.
  • 4 1
 I'm not the UCI expert, but 1) its not entirely their job to "grow" cycling - the pandemic alone did that, but they do b/c they have their hands in every bit of media about any world cup anything and 2) UCI regulates DH riding which would be chaos at best without UCI.

It regulates everything from venues to weather calls, health (accidents & injuries) and can you have a motor on your DH or XC bike (ad infinitum) to course taping, team rules, rider & team / privateer rules and in fact - its so far (x 1000) more than you have probably researched that its' probably worth researching 1st before calling them all "old white men" since there are young people & women involved, all pretty much experienced if not lifetime riders.

Without UCI rules & regs / world cup (and other) MTB events would look like some Shucky the Clown junk that it actually used to be.

Its easy to be irreverent and flippant - I often am, but it pays to do homework before putting a bullhorn to your face to yell stuff you're not informed about. There would be no World Cup anything the way we see it today without UCI, so you are simply saying stuff without any real information. Its like saying you don't wanna pay taxes for potholes on US interstates because they're not in your state...just nonsense.

Seriously - it'll take you hours to go over the site - www.uci.org/the-uci/2QDMyzhoBXyWbVrsxge0EH.
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 Being bigoted against old white men is sexist, ageist, and misandryst. Let's all try to do better in this new world we've created.
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 @Mtn-Goat-13: To go along with what MTN goat is saying, the UCI itself isn't necessary. It could be another governing body. But you need some sort of organization to make this shit work. No different then trying to argue why the NFL or DORNA are needed.
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 @JSTootell: True that. Lemme also say I don't think UCI is free from corruption (wasn't some Russian shill / oligarch douche the pres at some point?) and I don't genuflect to it, but yeah - organizations & structure make shit work and saying they are just "old white guys" doing nothing is just too simple & uniformed. If it were replaced, all the competing orgs (if any) would try to step in and then it would just be more "old white guys" doing nothing. I'm sure there are some nightmare stories but w/o UCI - no world cup nuttin. Hey @mikelevy or @brianpark or @mikekazimer...how bout a cast on UCI: the good, the bad, and the old white men who do nothing?
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 @mikelevy while you're Florida www.gatorland.com
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 It sounds like I need some luxury cycling socks.
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 nvermind,.. it's a $400 stem.
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 Kickin it with Kaz!
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 F1 vs rally. Who is the better driver?
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