The Pinkbike Podcast: Episode 118 - Music and Mountain Biking

Apr 19, 2022 at 13:15
by Mike Levy  
Pinkbike Podcast
Art by Taj Mihelich


Whether it's the music you always play when driving the shuttle truck, what's in your headphones while pedaling up, or just a mid-2000s movie section that's been stuck in your head ever since, it's probably fair to say that most of us have some albums, songs, or musicians that will always be tied to mountain biking in one way or another. Episode 118 sees Henry, Kazimer, and I chat about the songs forever on our two-wheeled playlists, why Sail by Awolnation is the best, and if we listen to music while riding our bikes.

What music do you associate with mountain biking?





THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 118 - MUSIC AND MOUNTAIN BIKING
April 21st, 2022

Screamo before, during, and after every ride.
















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Featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.



Previous Pinkbike Podcasts
Episode 1 - Why Are Bikes So Expensive?
Episode 2 - Where the Hell is the Grim Donut?
Episode 3 - Pond Beaver Tech
Episode 4 - Why is Every Bike a Trail Bike?
Episode 5 - Can You Trust Bike Reviews?
Episode 6 - Over Biked Or Under Biked?
Episode 7 - Wild Project Bikes
Episode 8 - Do We Need an Even Larger Wheel Size?
Episode 9 - Why Are We Doing a Cross-Country Field Test?
Episode 10 - Getting Nerdy About Bike Setup
Episode 11 - Are We Going Racing This Year?
Episode 12 - What's the Future of Bike Shops?
Episode 13 - Are Bikes Too Regular Now?
Episode 14 - What Bikes Would Pinkbike Editors Buy?
Episode 15 - What's Holding Mountain Biking Back?
Episode 16 - Who's Your Mountain Biking Hero?
Episode 17 - XC Field Test Insider
Episode 18 - Electronics on your Mountain Bike: Good or Bad?
Episode 19 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 20 - MTB Conspiracy Theories
Episode 21 - Stuff We Were Wrong About
Episode 22 - Does Your Riding Style Match Your Personality?
Episode 23 - Grim Donut 2 is Live!
Episode 24 - Why Even Buy a DH Bike?
Episode 25 - Fall Field Test Preview
Episode 26 - The Three Most Important Mountain Bikes
Episode 27 - The World Champs Special
Episode 28 - All About Women's Bikes
Episode 29 - Freeride or Die
Episode 30 - Would You Rather?
Episode 31 - Wet Weather Riding Tips & Tricks
Episode 32 - What Needs to Change in the Bike Industry?
Episode 33 - Behind the Scenes at Pinkbike Academy
Episode 34 - Grilling Levy About Field Test Trail Bikes (and His Bonspiel)
Episode 35 - Story Time - Stranger Than Fiction
Episode 36 - Grilling Kazimer about Field Test Enduro Bikes
Episode 37 - The 2020 Privateer Season with Ben Cathro
Episode 38 - Editors Defend Their 2020 Best-Of Picks
Episode 39 - Predicting the Future of Mountain Biking
Episode 40 - The Pinkbike Awards!
Episode 41 - Racing Rumours and Team Changes
Episode 42 - Mountain Biking's Guilty Pleasures
Episode 43 - Dangerholm's Wildest Custom Mountain Bikes
Episode 44 - Mountain Bike Suspension Decoded
Episode 45 - What Makes a Good Riding Buddy
Episode 46 - The RockShox Zeb vs Fox 38 Deep Dive
Episode 47 - High Pivot Bikes: The Good, The Bad, and The Why?
Episode 48 - Rides That Went Horribly Wrong... & Why That Made Them So Good
Episode 49 - What's the Best DH Bike?
Episode 50 - Are Bikes Actually Getting Less Expensive? (Value Bike Field Test Preview)
Episode 51 - Should MTB Media Post Spy Shots?
Episode 52 - Our Most Embarrassing MTB Moments
Episode 53 - Should Climbers Still Have the Right of Way?
Episode 54 - Best and Worst MTB Product Marketing
Episode 55 - Big Dumb Rides & Staying Motivated
Episode 56 - What Were the Most Important Inventions in Mountain Biking?
Episode 57 - What Were the Best (and Worst) Trends in Mountain Biking?
Episode 58 - Debunking Mountain Biking's Biggest Myths
Episode 59 - Value Bike Field Trip Surprises & Spoilers
Episode 60 - What Kind of Mountain Biker Do You Want to Be?
Episode 61 - Athlete Pay, Lycra, Equality and More from the State of the Sport Survey
Episode 62 - Editor Preferences and Why They Matter
Episode 63 - Our Best (And Worst) Bike Buying Advice
Episode 64 - Who's On Your MTB Mount Rushmore?
Episode 65 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 66 - The Best and Worst of Repairing Bikes
Episode 67 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham
Episode 68 - Who Are Mountain Biking's Unsung Heroes?
Episode 69 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 1
Episode 70 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 2
Episode 71 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham - A Pinkbike Podcast Special, Part 2
Episode 72 - Hey Outers!
Episode 73 - The Details That Matter... and Some That Shouldn't
Episode 74 - The Best Trails We've Ridden and What Makes Them So Special
Episode 75 - Things MTB Brands Waste Money On
Episode 76 - MTB Originals and Copycats
Episode 77 - Interview with Outside CEO, Robin Thurston
Episode 78 - Modern Geometry Explained
Episode 79 - What's the Future of eMTBs?
Episode 80 - The Best Vehicles for Mountain Bikers
Episode 81 - You've Got Questions, We've (Maybe) Got Answers
Episode 82 - Behind the Scenes at Field Test
Episode 83 - Does Carbon Fiber Belong On Your Mountain Bike?
Episode 84 - Explaining RockShox's Computer Controlled Suspension
Episode 85 - Is the Red Bull Rampage Too Slopestyle?
Episode 86 - Greg Minnaar on the Honda DH Bike, World Cup Racing, and Staying Fast Forever
Episode 87 - How to Love Riding When it's Cold and Wet
Episode 88 - Mountain Biking on a Budget
Episode 89 - The Derailleur Pickle
Episode 90 - Is Supre the Future of Trouble-Free Drivetrains? (with Cedric Eveleigh of Lal Bikes)
Episode 91 - Riding Every Double Black in the Whistler Bike Park with Christina Chappetta
Episode 92 - Does Bike Weight Really Matter?
Episode 93 - Staying Motivated and Overcoming Burnout
Episode 94 - PBA Contestant Tori Wood on Her First Race and Finding the Right Mindset
Episode 95 - Field Test Down-Country Bike Debrief
Episode 96 - PBA Contestant Israel Carrillo on Riding in Mexico and Why It's Not Always About Speed
Episode 97 - Can We Predict the Future of Mountain Biking?
Episode 98 - Field Test Trail Bike Debrief
Episode 99 - New Year, New You?
Episode 100 - Q&A with the PB Editors
Episode 101 - MTB Tradeshows Explained
Episode 102 - Should MTB Media Be Going to Press Camps?
Episode 103 - Secrets from the World Cup Pits with Henry Quinney
Episode 104 - Lachlan Morton on How to be a Happy Bike Racer and the World's Longest Climb
Episode 105 - The 3 Bike Budget Challenge
Episode 106 - What's Your Ideal Ride Look Like?
Episode 107 - How (And Why) Did You Start Mountain Biking?
Episode 108 - Behind the Scenes at the Value Bike Field Test
Episode 109 - Berm Peak's Seth Alvo on Making Videos 24/7, Soul Rides, and Building a Bike Park
Episode 110 - Trying (and Failing) to Reinvent the Mountain Bike
Episode 111 - The Pinkbike Racing Podcast: Episode #1 - It's All Downhill From Here
Episode 112 - The Pinkbike Racing Podcast: Episode #2 - The Lourdes World Cup Post-Race Wrap-Up
Episode 113 - PB Editors Answer Your Questions (again)
Episode 114 - The Placebo Effect and Your New Mountain Bike
Episode 115 - We Are One's CEO Talks Future DH Bike, E-Bikes, & Domestic Manufacturing
Episode 116 - New Bikes and Gear from Sea Otter
Episode 117 - Mountain Biking's Worst (or Best) Cliché Crimes


221 Comments

  • 136 2
 What music? anything you like. Just as long as its in your ears and not blaring out of a bluetooth speaker
  • 24 0
 I never thought I would agree with Levy but he is right. No one wants to hear your music unless they have previously agreed to it. I purposely avoid some people because of their music choice.
  • 4 0
 @kokofosho: not my playlist, it’s the best music curated by yours truly and the whole world needs to hear it.

I find that I lose situational awareness if I listen to music while riding or skiing or walking….
  • 2 15
flag Chonky13 (Apr 21, 2022 at 14:12) (Below Threshold)
 @AJW
I can think of one good reason to listen to music while riding a popular singletrack frequented by joggers. They might not hear you approaching, especially if they are looking down instead of ahead. A few times it has saved me from a collision on a blind corner.
Also, it provides inspiration and motivation.
  • 7 0
 @Chonky13: bell/loud hubs.
  • 3 0
 I have to admit I listen to this podcast on my phone speaker during solo night rides. I hope it keeps the bears away. No one else is out in the forest so not disturbing anyone but the bears.
  • 4 0
 @fabwizard: I do the opposite... I ride at night with music blasting in my ears so I don't have to know/hear the scary things in the forest.
  • 3 0
 @b2bikes: I guess not knowing you are about to get eaten has its benefits.

I also have my red blinky light on the trails hoping that it will confuse the bears/cougars.
  • 1 0
 Agreed, its very obnoxious and self entitled when hikers or bikers are blaring their "radest" tunes from a speaker on the trail. Nobody wants to hear your music in the woods! @henryquinney I'm disappointed to hear you are "that guy" on the trail, just stop!

I have to say its also pretty damn annoying when you come up behind people (dog walkers, hikers or slower riders too) on trail with earbuds in. After I say "can I pass on the left" for the umpteenth time I realize this guy/gal has no idea what's going on around them and sure enough they have music playing in their ears. Sometimes people are shocked or even angry that I come up on them without them knowing. This is a bit of a safety issue and people need all their senses to be aware of hazards on trail.

People come to a wilderness setting for some tranquility and to enjoy the nature or trails. Take an hour or two away from the constant fire hose of media and open up your eyes and ears. You never know what you'll discover.
  • 1 0
 @J-Sheridan: Hmmm. Chicken before the egg.

I disagree that everyone goes to the wilderness to get away/absorb nature.

I think some people go there because the trails are there where they can ride their bikes.
  • 1 0
 @fabwizard: I did say that it could be to enjoy either nature or trails. Its both for most I'd imagine, but if you are only there for the trails that's Ok too.

Take home message: Don't play your music for all to hear, its really irritating and be self-aware on trail.
  • 1 0
 Totally agree -And If you are concerned about losing ability to hear your surroundings with earbuds try AfterShokz Aeropex !
  • 1 0
 My respect for Henry just dropped, hearing that he doesn't think it's his problem if people are annoyed that he is playing music aloud for everyone to hear whilst he is riding
  • 51 0
 The music is best when all you hear is tires rolling across the terrain and the little pings from rocks and loose dirt
  • 2 0
 The little pigs hitting the rocks?
  • 51 6
 The title subhead reminds me of a story I still laugh at to this day regarding AWOLnation's 'SAIL'.

The scene is me and some buds were chilling at the top of the climb before a big, popular descent. Most people do the 5min shuttle to get to the top, but we had climbed the access road and were catching our breath before dropping in. From the parking lot, we see 5 or so certfied® dads start rolling our way. They had just lifted their e-mtb's out of a $60k Toyota Tundra with a 3in lift. It's a common sight in this neck of the woods, where the average home value within a couple of miles of the trail is well into the millions.

So these dad-bod dudes come rolling by, a nice train of 5 or 6 riders into the 'black diamond' (manicured flow jump line with tables and small gaps) trail that we had all come up to hit. 2nd to last dude in line, clear as day, yells into the universe 'SIRI, play SAIL by AWOLNATION!!' and we all absolutely hit the floor laughing. Normally, I'd think this was a joke, but judging by the man, this guy was entirely serious and really wanted to listen to the sweet sounds of dub EDM on his way to casing every single jump.

Anyways, that's my SAIL story. Thanks for listening.
  • 6 1
 Did he send it though?
  • 23 34
flag Starsky686 (Apr 21, 2022 at 9:15) (Below Threshold)
 @HB208: he clearly didn’t since he shuttled (like many at that trail head apparently), had a “dad-bod”, and arrived in a too expensive truck. Since those are such clear indicators of their skill on a bike compared to the story teller who is clearly a loam assassin.

Do you think the people that tell stories like this have the self awareness to pick out who is the douche bags in that scenario?
  • 15 6
 @Starsky686: I seem to have triggered a certain Mr. Grumpy-Pants.
  • 16 15
 @b2bikes: it’s a cringey story.. Just imagine it being told by another dude, but he was talking about you in that spandex on your profile photo.

A bunch of dudes out enjoying bikes. How dare they?
  • 21 7
 @Starsky686: If I can handle snide comments from MTB-bro's while passing them on the singletrack(go fast Strava boy!, Spandex hero coming through!), then I'm pretty sure they can handle the same snide comments from the other end of the spectrum when I see them not earning their turns and casing everything on the descent.

I promise, the cringiest thing in the story is yelling, publically, surrounded by friends, "SIRI, play SAIL by AWOLNATION"... Not me and my friends earning our descent time and having a good laugh at the absurdity of a 2010 EDM hit still being relevant in 2021(when this story happened).
  • 11 18
flag Starsky686 (Apr 21, 2022 at 9:40) (Below Threshold)
 @b2bikes: No you and your friends are so core, bro (I mean you climbed that time! So it’s indisputable) I hope that the behind the back trashing of other mountain bikers helped ease the jealous sting of their expensive trucks and million dollar houses. Not cringe at all.
  • 7 10
 @Starsky686: Imagine being jealous of living in some soulless suburbs, needing to own a car because of the location of said suburbs, and gaining weight because said car eliminates the need for bike commuting and healthy lifestyle activities. I'm perfectly happy without those things in my life lol, I feel bad for those who need to validate with said objects in their lives.
  • 4 1
 @b2bikes: love this. Still lol'ing about 'certified dads'
  • 10 3
 @Starsky686: My brother in Christ it's ok to laugh and make jokes at ourselves and others.
  • 6 16
flag Starsky686 (Apr 21, 2022 at 9:55) (Below Threshold)
 @b2bikes: You forgot in your hero tale to include whether their bikes sucked because they were too old or because they were too expensive.

#notjealousnoselfconfidenceissues. .
  • 22 1
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  • 19 0
 @mikekazimer I'm with you...I don't want to hear music while I ride. It's my time to disconnect. Music is for before and after a ride while driving to and from the trailhead since I'm not lucky enough to live within riding distance of a trail system.
  • 1 0
 Same for me! I looove listening to some rap music before or after riding but while riding in the woods, I prefer to only hear the nature, my rear tire, my hub and being 100% focus on not being on friday fails! lol In the gym it's all good but in the wood, come on.... Same while snowboarding, too dangerous to not hear people coming just beside you.
  • 20 0
 Podcasts for the climbs - music for the descents
  • 4 0
 exactly what I usually do, when riding alone, with earbuds ofc, no speakers
  • 2 0
 @elyari: the transparency mode on my iPods was a game changer
  • 30 0
 Music for the climbs - Shopping cart noises coming from my bike for the descents
  • 3 0
 @kookseverywhere: hence the ear buds - if I hear all the sounds coming from my bike I maybe tempted to service my bike which takes away from riding time
  • 9 0
 TOPIC FOR FUTURE PODCAST: I'd love to hear more conversations about riding in different places: uk, Spain, France, south america, south Africa, etc. Learning some hacks for international mtb trips too, whether it makes sense to travel with a bike vs rent, use trailforks or hire a guide. Whenever I travel with my wife I try to sneak a few bike days in and logistically it can be challenging. In France for example, i could rent a bike easily but because of the train/tram/bus strikes, it was hard to get to the bike parks.

Side note: if I ever have headphones on a descent, it's cheesy yacht rock. Hall & Oats, Steve Winwood, Steely Dan.
  • 8 0
 Road trip podcast added to the list.
  • 5 0
 @mikelevy: And talking about the difference in the MTB riding culture between North America and Europe (about people and trails..)
  • 1 0
 Oups didn't listen the podcast before I posted that and realize after you talked about it in this one. My bad.
  • 1 0
 @hpman83: i really like the remarks about train :-)
Thank you
  • 1 0
 @nobrain: haha ya I didn't mean it as an offense to the french! I just had to pedal my ass all the way to the bike park which ate up my whole day.
@hpman83: the culture differences also impact how to find good info on trails to ride, whether the region has "open secret trails" like Santa Cruz, CA or legal trail networks. However, I do feel like @mikelevy gets the royal treatment if he shows up somewhere looking to ride vs. what locals might show you or me on a rental bike with a passport!
  • 8 0
 @mikekazimer damn you nailed it with the Carlin Dunne and Matt Hunter segments. My friends and I had a great night a few weeks ago watching all of our favourite segments from classic bike movies like the Earthed series, Collective, NWD etc. We all grew up in separate towns across Canada but everyone remembered these movie segments to a T quoting all the lines.

Favourite quotes/songs - Peaceful Day - Pennywise from the Psychosis Segment in Seasons “It’s gnarly out there boy it’s silt”

RJD2 - Since We Last Spoke - Berrecloth in ROAM
  • 4 0
 Oh shit, Ryder Kasprick's movie section to RJD2 in Elemental is one of the greatest parts ever. SO GOOD. Added to the article above!
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: yesss!!! I remember Trent Kidd gave me a copy of elemental when I was a kid and I watched that dvd to death haha. Ryder’s segment in that movie was mind blowing, some massive wood gaps in there.
  • 8 0
 I like to wear my Aftershokz bone conduction headphones while riding. They give something up in terms of sound quality, but they leave your ears absolutely open for situational awareness.
  • 4 0
 Me too, but I still think the "ears absolutely open" can be an overstatement. They don't block your ear holes, but loud music through them can still drown out a decent amount of sound.

I typically still turn them off when I'm headed downhill on 2-way trails, certainly highly-trafficked ones. Startling hikers or climbing bikers is never fun.
  • 2 0
 I use the Aftershokz too.. I can still here what's happening around me and on a fast decent, the wind noise drowns out the music..
  • 2 0
 Came here to say this. Shokz are also good - more comfortable than Aftershokz - but require a stupid special cord to charge
  • 2 0
 Sounds like something we should check out!
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: hands down the best thing I've used for music on a ride... Or a podcast for the gravel miles..
  • 1 0
 These are the best solution I have used so far, really like the comfort and self mute with the wind noise as you point downhill to shed the gnar!
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: Man Palmer sh*t on these hard… I think they’re worth a try with a newer pair; they really aren’t terrible for music or spoken word

Get Henry to stuff his Chinchilla cheekbones into a test pair
  • 2 0
 @C8503: if someone is a hardcore audiophile, I can see where the sound quality can be lacking..
  • 7 0
 I'm still rocking Swollen Members, Rise Against, Dope, etc. from the old NWD/Collective days. It just brings back a flood of memories and makes me want to go ride hard.
  • 1 0
 I even get out the old Blood for Blood every once in a while.
  • 5 0
 Love me some Swollen Members. Thanks for the reminder!
  • 9 0
 Remember Sweatshop Union? That’s another group that instantly makes me think of MTB movies.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: Oh yea man! They were a staple throughout all those old movies. I have a playlist chocked full of that stuff and newer songs I listen to on the way to the bike park called "Freeride"

open.spotify.com/playlist/1RetFG1fOvmE8LMuFbbPu3?si=9c99c01f85e84eca
  • 8 0
 @mikekazimer - I'm suprrised there's no Sonic Youth of Fugazi???
  • 4 0
 Kudos for the Black Flag, Kyuss, Mission of Burma and Sepultura tho.
  • 2 0
 @vw4ever: yeah there some good stuff in there for sure.
  • 3 0
 @fartymarty, don’t worry, they’d definitely make my list of all-time favorites. Dinosaur Jr would be in that list too - I got to see them recently and it was such a great show.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: Dinosaur Jr, Tame Impala, Kyuss, KGATLW, ATW, we have already a lot in common on our playlist. But I am amazed to see SLIFT too!
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: how are your ears? I still have tinnitus from their Brixton gig in 94/95 *indie rock dad mode off*
  • 1 0
 Yes, but Mudhoney made the best bike music in existence.
  • 1 0
 Shit, the indie rock dad switch doesn't have an off.
  • 2 0
 @BenPea, I've gotten wiser in my old age, so I remembered my ear plugs. I'd probably be deaf right now if I hadn't.
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: Fugazi / Sick of it All broke my hearing.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: Reformed Dino Jr are great. I saw them a couple of time pre kids (10+ years ago now). SY were one of my fav live bands. Saw them too many times to count - even this one sonicyouth.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-all-tomorrows-parties-2000
  • 1 0
 @fartymarty: Going to UMass in the early 90s, I saw Dino Jr so many times. Also got to see J Mascis playing with Sonic Youth. That was rad.
  • 2 0
 @AndrewFleming: I'm sure I saw Mark Ibold (Pavement) play with them as well and maybe Jim O'Rourke as well (it's too long ago). J would have been amazing - his riffs over all the feedback.
  • 3 0
 I don't have any music related to MTB. But a huge folder of music from snowboard and skateboard videos. Mostly from the times when "Limewire" still was a thing.
When riding bikes i have no need for music and only get annoyed by those bluetooth box dudes... Just get headphones for f**k sake!
Sail by Awolnation just mostly reminds me of someone barely able to ski, filming himself riding down groomers with a selfie stick in a mixture of pizza and parallel turns...
  • 4 0
 I never listen to music while riding because Alberta and Eastern BC is prime bear country. Prefer to focus on my surroundings and have situational awareness of my environment and sounds my bike is making.
  • 3 0
 Ok - so Henry got after Kazimer for his ludicrous supposition that European mountain bikers are riding trains to access terrain.

But I've definitely ridden a local train (tram? IDK, it was on tracks) in Oslo with guys who were using it to shuttle laps on their bikes. Some googling leads me to believe this was to access the top of the Frognerseteren trails.

Can any Oslo locals help me out here? Relic of the past (I think this was 5 or 6 years ago)? Unusual event? Or something that people regularly do?
  • 7 0
 Haha - it just took me by surprise. I've never really related to mountain biking with trains. That said, there are some funiculars kicking about in Europe and there surely must be places that are reliant on them. To be honest, I found myself talking about the whole continent when realistically I've only seen snapshots of it. Same with anything, you can tee up 80% of what I said as nonsense.
  • 2 0
 You are almost correct. The Frognerseter can be shuttled by the subway, although it is not sub-surface at that part.
The lines in the wood are built and maintained by local guys.
Oslo is in fact a great town for general trailriding and the subway(tram) is a good way to save the legs some km to get out of the city and to where “marka” (the forest) begins.

But, Oslo is hardly the cliche continental “euro” town.
  • 4 1
 QUESTION: Is it just me or does it seem like bikes just arent designed for heavier people? I am 6’3 and 215 lbs (not overweight) and I seem to have so many reliability problems with my bike compared to my friends who are all 5’11 and 170ish lbs. I go through heavy casing tyres and and DT Swiss alloy rims like there’s no tommorow, my enduro bike has Code R brakes (200 mm front and rear, metallic pads) and I’ve just had to sand my pads and rotors because they glazed over from overheating. A month or so ago I got my rear shock (Fox Float X2) replaced under warranty because I had blown through it and it was leaking oil. I try to keep my bike well maintained but it seems that I have many more mechanicals than my friends and I can’t help wondering if some of the components just aren’t designed for the force that some heavier riders can put through the bike.
  • 4 0
 As far as i know, that is the case. My bike mechanic of trust told me that most wheelsets are made for 80-100kg max. I'm already ~110kg without gear. So if i go for a day of hard riding with pads and backpack etc. I'm easily 120kg.
But yes, most manufacturers somehow don't give out this information...
  • 2 0
 Yep, I'm a bit heavier and usually run heaver duty wheels and tires in particular. i.e. enduro or even dh grade rims on my trail bike, dh rims on enduro. Also riding light on the bike, i.e. bunnyhopping or unweighting over square edged rocks and the like, it's often faster too. Lighter rider can get away with smashing into things heavier riders can't. I mean sometimes smashing rocks can't be avoided or I screw up and get off line and plow thru stuff but riding light will help stuff last longer. Sorry if this is super obvious.
  • 2 0
 It seems like heavier people need to run components a lot of people would consider overkill. Like the biggest rotors that exist for your codes, even if you're not riding DH. You store a lot more potential energy than average when you climb.
  • 2 0
 And sanding pads or roughing up rotors is common. If you ride steep trails it'll happen. Only way to avoid or reduce it is to stop every minute or two while descending and let the brakes cool off.
  • 3 0
 The tire noise on the trail is my music!
I turn my phone off and don’t want anything to do with anything else than riding my bike in those few hours.
But good music that is used on some good footage, like a good edit can be motivating before going.
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer @henryquinney I really appreciate Minor Threat and Youth Brigade. I also really love VAST and there is something emotional and epic about his music.

Other suggestions would also be:

I was a pretty angry kid in Connecticut growing up so I had a bias towards angry stuff getting me going.

When I was kid in the 90s/00s;
• Minor Threat - Straight Edge
• KFMDM - Ultra, Sun of a Gun
• Hatebreed - I will be heard
• Prodigy - Voodoo People
• Nine Inch Nails - Perfect Drug
• Vast - Touched

More recently:
• Brendan Fairclough movie "Deathgrip" soundtrack was great (not that angry)
• Imagine Dragons - "Machine"
• Justice - "Chorus"
• Lofidelity Allstars - "Battleflag"
• Public Enemy - "Shut 'Em Up" (Prodigy remix)
• The Cinematic Orchestra - "To Build a Home" (cry while I ride song)
• Solomon Grey - "Choir to the Wild"
• Underworld - "Rez"
  • 1 0
 Really got into Vast after rewatching 3 Minute Gaps last winter. Has so much good stuff!
  • 3 0
 I don't get what's so funny about taking the train to the trailhead?
Here in Norway, there are plenty trains, subways, trams and other railed transport systems that delivers you to the trailhead. Last time I checked, Norway is a part of Europe (not the EU though).
-In Oslo you can shuttle from Oslo city center to the top DH and single track trails, ride down and take the subway back up to the top of the trail. Lot's of subways delivers you directly onto the trailhead and bikes are free to bring along in the Oslo area, all from the city center.
-In Bergen you can take Fløibanen to the top of the mountain Fløien and ride the trails down.
-In Trondheim you can take the tram from the city centre to the top of the trail head and singletracks.
-There are trains that delivers you directly to the start and end some of Norway's most popular biking trails like Rallarvegen.
So, plenty of railed possibilities to ride, just to mention a few.
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 I saw Whitechapel -S.C.U.M on Henry's list and got stoked, not seeing that coming. Until I realized I swapped artist and title... I love seeing what other people listen to, in hopes of adding to my own lists, but there seems to be a lack of heavy listening. Unless I'm just an outlier.....NAH!
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 Showing my age here, but one band in particular will always be associated with mtn. biking for me.

Some time in the early 90s, my pre-driving-age (Or maybe just not-car-having. I don't honestly remember.) self, and younger brother are catching a ride up the mountain with the mechanics at our LBS for our first ever ride on the premier local singletrack (Santa Ana River Trail, in the San Bernardino Mountains). Prior to this we'd only ridden the local foothills, ridgelines and fire-roads, so it was our first real "mountain" ride. There were two different drivers, and one of them had a Jeep. I called dibs on the Jeep and when we got to the trailhead my brother climbs out of the truck and says, "You should've rode with Leonard."

Shortly afterwords my mind was blown by the twisty, flowy, and at times super exposed (Don't even really think about it now, but the narrow exposed sections really made an impression riding it for the first time.) mountain singletrack. Unlike anything I'd ridden before in the lower foothills.

On the ride back down the hill it was my turn to ride in the truck, and I'm in full epic-ride afterglow mode when Leonard pops in a cassette (Remember those?) and my mind was blown for the second time that day, as Primus, Sailing the Seas of Cheese blared out of the speakers. I was into punk, metal, and a bit of industrial at the time, but Primus was a whole different beast, borrowing elements from all of the above for their own unique sound. Probably could have been just about anything new at that age, and in that mindset, and it would have made an impression, but it happened to be Primus, which is now indelibly seared into my memory as "mountain biking music".
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 Imagine commuting on your MTB with knobbly tires, seeing that roadie in the distance asking to be smashed. Put on Dragula and your going to leave him in the dust.
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 @henryquinney nice to know there is someone else who only utilizes 1 playlist of 'liked' songs.
I, too, have eclectic tastes... do your friends also refuse to let you control the music at parties and carpools? lol.
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 @henryquinny same here. Only liked songs. Only reverse chronological. When I want a vibe I know exactly which song to go to and I’m taken to that moment.
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 Honestly, I love it. I ain't ever changin'.
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 18 Candles by The Sessions just got taken out of Spotify, it is the song on Matt Hunter's cut on Seasons, it was my go to song for my solo rides Frown
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 “The sessions” station has been on my pandora for over 10 years… because of seasons

Meanwhile “the cat empire” was from the movie roam
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 Why was this removed? Frown
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 @fewnofrwgijn: Cat Empire in Roam? really? what song is played in Roam?, i thought it was Two shoes at the end of Seasons and thats it.
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 @Larkey1: i honestly have no clue, it ruined the pace of a couple of my playlists tbh, it sucks
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 @Larkey1: i just took a dive, and couldnt find out what happened, the current band called The Sessions in spotify sounds a bit too different for me, it might be a different band, but they are still linked to the original The Sessions songs, which are not playable.

I dont know what it is, if someone can knows something let us know.... it might be a VPN thing since i am trying to listen from my office in mexico, i will give another try when i get home.
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 I was laughing so hard this episode. You guys have such good chemistry! Quinney was diggin some hilarious holes! I really loved the relationship advice Kaz gave a couple weeks ago too. Super funny. Keep it up!
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 I was bred and raised through 90s metal. Slayer, Pantera, Sepultura, Fear Factory, Biohazard... you name it. Still beautiful to listen to while climbing. Way too dangerous while descending, it completely obliterates your self-preservation instinct.
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 To the part about music and riding. I don't think there was mention of bone conducting headphones. Ya the bass is non existent but at least you can hear what's going on around you. Thoughts?
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 New album (and all the older albums) from Turnstile rips. Seeing them in ATL coming up. My 49 year old body will be sore.
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 An interesting music question to ask is what's the preferred driving track? Maybe it's placebo but I definitely drive faster and more aggressively listening to hard rock over my slower chill playlist.
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 Almost always some sort of questionable rap music for driving, unless it’s a road trip - that’s when the oldies and podcasts come out.
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 Add some zydeco to your life! It’s the happiest friggin music on earth, like sunshine directly to your soul.
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 Tool when im riding, tool when im not riding, its a lot of tool mostly
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 ...10,000 Days of playing Forty Six & 2 \m/
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 What? No Skynyrd?
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 I've always had a soundtrack going dating back to having a Walkman and cassette mixes whilst skateboarding to my current wireless earbud set up (Earfun Free, waterproof, auto stereo to mono default when only wearing one and inexpensive). I have mixes for rides consisting of all sorts of things that make me laugh, entertain and/or motivate me. As for Bluetooth speakers, not my thing, but I no longer chastise anyone about it. I ride on or let them pass sometimes getting amused with how whatever they are playing mashes up with what I have on. Speaking of mash ups, I enjoy hearing my bike sounds (hub screaming, brakes honking, etc.) with whatever I'm listening to. Remember, no matter how awesome your music is NO ONE wants to hear it. This especially true with the noisy trash I like...Pissed Jeans, Deaf Club, Slant, Black Flag, Double Negative, The Locust, Weedeater etc.
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 Can’t wait till e-bikes come with built in speakers so I can blast some Bastille on the climbs!
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 A couple songs from mountain bike vids from the past that stick out in my memory:

Teaser for NWD 5: AMP Seven nation Army
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNpXmjdJKTc

Logan Peat's NSMB Airprentice application video - first time I heard MIA's Paper Planes, but I can't find it on the interweb now.
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 For anyone who is interested, this is my playlist featuring my favourite songs from the Clay Porter / Earthed generation of videos

open.spotify.com/playlist/5YfIJXiL3xWQ4b5O20r0xK?si=7da2d77b40a84728
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 Nice! Thanks, added to my playlists!! Will be listening to this on tonight's ride.
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 I've been riding for 7 years now. A combo of racing and casual riding. Never listened to music until this year. Been riding every day this month (team granite april challenge. Ride every day for at least 30 minutes moving time. No excuses) This is the first year I've gone completely solo and I started listening to music on my road rides (still riding my rocky mountain Instinct BC overforked to 170 travel up front). Have I noticed a difference? Hard to say. But it does seem to help pass the time especially when im doing late night 8/9 p.m. start time rides. No rhyme or reason to what I listen too, but definitely going to tap into some of these Playlists tomorrow. Shooting for a 40 mile ride on the enduro rig
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 Fun podcast. You guys are sometimes quite wide apart on that spectrum. Good laughs.
@mikelevy you guys answered a question I had on the Alloy Stumpy vs Carbon Stumpy. Your latest review of the alloy stumpy had you all suggesting an upgrade of suspension and brakes.
Where is the best value for money in either Fox or Rockshox three tier suspension selection?
Do a Super Deluxe Ultimate or Float DPX2 have a place on a shorter travel trail bike (weight is not a concern)?
Would you do a video similar to @henryquinney's Budget vs Baller, where you take one of those value bikes that you all like the geometry and upgrade the components? No Mike Bear please
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 It was actually @mikelevy 's budget vs. Baller that I ended up doing haha! The second series is in the works though and it's going to take a lot more of a real-world approach. It's probably along similar lines to what you're thinking. I hope you like it. Cheers
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 @henryquinney: @henryquinney for president / emperor / etc.
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 @henryquinney: Thank you. I look forward to see that next series. I still use some of your videos on bleeding brakes and other home tech repairs.
Cheers
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 July Talk, New Pornographers, Arcade Fire (im a Canadaphile!), Foals, Girl in Red, Glass Animals, American Girls, Nathanial Ratliff and the Nightsweats, Michael Kiwanuka, Beach House, Bob Moses, Lucinda Williams, J. Cole, Sonic Youth, Waylon Jennings, The National, The Clash, Echo and the Bunnymen, The Connells, Lloyd Cole and the Commotions and so much good riding musing and yes @mikelevy i am from Detroit, nothing wrong w/ a little Seger and the Sliverbullet! Rock on, Climb on, Ride on!
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 Pinkbike then Downtime then Weekly Planet then Automovie podcasts out on the trails - I can hear what's what on the road sections.

If I was making a ride video I'd want DJ Shadow feat. Run The Jewels, Nobody Speak as the soundtrack to a 3m52s slow motion sequence of me making coffee and lacing my shoes, it would honestly be better than me riding. I ain't lying, kick a lion in his crack.
RTJ would feature heavily in any gravity playlist to blast through headphones as I fumble my way down the nearest hillock.

Would love to see a video of someone like Amaury absolutely sending it juxtaposed to the melodic sounds of Delilah's Go and the lyric, "No one puts it down like me".
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 Podcast Question: one I kept meaning to ask, prompted by polll "Do You Know What Brands The Pros Use?", related to the win on Sunday, sell on Monday mantra, are there bike brands that show up well in races / have some top rides, but thier civilian bikes never quite make the cut in field tests?
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 Podcast Question: Sorry another one... After SWAT and BITS, among others, and now Santa Cruz's new Glovebox on the hightower, is there going to be a race to get out bikes with in frame storage systems before all the good names / acronyms are used up? And if doing marketing for bike brands what would the podcast team call their holes?
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 Soundtrack wise- some pairings that still stick out to me were Morcheeba over that Utah Watson segment in Ride To The Hills and in the same movie Leech's night-time urban to Four Ton Mantis by Amon Tobin. Both those artists are stellar and those songs fit the segment so perfectly. Watson cruising down that ridgeline with the "trapped in the skies what I to do?...brothah's from another planet... yall know the truth..." Loved it. Currently for music to ride to from the world of Hip Hop Marlowe and Run the Jewels come to mind as favorites, from the Rock side I still find myself going back to Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Cave Singers and Cloud Nothings and for Electro/chill I'm liking Nym's stuff...
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 Sepultura - roots, now that I think about it's very appropriate here.
"I'll take you to a place where we shall find our roots, bloody roots"
That's every mountain biking trail in PNW.
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 Two questions @mikekazimer and @mikelevy forgot to ask @henryquinney before hiring him:
1. You know Squamish is the best place to ride, right?
2. You aren't that annoying guy on the trail riding with his phone speaker blaring music, are you?
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 Slipped through the nets!
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 @henryquinney: It was so funny to hear the silence once you said that Squamish trails are not the best in the world. Clearly the others never heard that before, lol. Judging by their response, they could not take it either. Very defensive, so funny.
@mikelevy: your taste in music surprised me, going by the amount of tattoos, I was expecting a long list of metalcore bands, but hey, never judge book by its cover, right?
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 After merely a six day intensive training course at our Squamish HQ I can now inform you that Squamish is the best trails I've ever ridden and I would give my left arm for just one more day of riding Psuedo Tsuga.
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 @henryquinney: sounds like something Soviets used to do when you disagreed with the one and only rightful way of the one and only party.... :-) people were never the same afterwards :-)
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 Would like to listen to music while climbing, but I'm afraid of not hearing things on the trail ie bears (I ride in Alberta/bc) and also want forewarning if someone descending towards me... I could never listen to music descending- tried it once while riding in city park and felt like a sense was missing, not hearing the tires...
People blaring their music via Bluetooth on the trail is perhaps the most obnoxious thing ever. I feel like this issue has multiplied x20 since covid 19, with lots of trail newbies outside. I did not go outdoors to the forest to be assaulted by random noise/music. Seems either arrogant or naive to think nobody would be bothered by this. The argument of "im alone" is absurd, unless you're riding in the Arctic, or somewhere else similarly underpopulated. Headphones are not complicated.
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 missing the Missy Giove Chainsmoke segment here. Not a fan o the band but at that time was incredible go riding kickstarter. Gender here was not a theme, just the attitude www.youtube.com/watch?v=zstpGRt2jlY&ab_channel=ElJefe4130 @mikelevy
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 Respect for Henry in this podcast. Squamish isn't the be all and end all, the interior of BC has equally good riding, don't worry about what tires you ride, just ride your bike, etc. . . . . refreshing to hear in these days of product pushing, forced obsoletion
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 The Seasons, Roam and Follow me sound tracks got me through my formative years of riding. I still go wild anytime any of the songs from them come on.
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 I have a comment about the comment on the word mullet for mixed wheel sizes:

I think it is a perfect description! Business in the front, party in the back is exactly what makes the mullet bikes great!

And if it is deemed as an immature description of the whole wheel situation, so what?
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 Just remember that all the people on the trail, at the crag, or in the lift line love your music and very much appreciate you playing on your speaker for everyone to hear.

Also can you guys please do a review of Shimano mineral oil versus generic mineral sometime?
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 Round my way, riding around with your phone blaring is known as a ‘Sodcast’. Henry, it the height of bad manners. Also, I suspect the sound will be crapper than Levy’s podcasts. Keep up the work
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 For tires for winter riding in cold and muddy conditions I can very much recommend the Vittoria Mazza! The rubber compound they got stays soft even when it gets cold and the tread pattern self-cleans of mud very well.
  • 2 1
 PAHAHAH! The idea that there would be a TRAIN to the top of a mountain is STUPID! Silly Kaz, what are you smoking?!

snowdonrailway.co.uk
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 Ha, I knew it. I'm going to head over to Wales and see if they'll let me bring my bike on that train.
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 @mikekazimer: go to Brienzer Rothorn in Switzerland. There's even a steam train up the mountain. Don't know if you can bring your bike on it though...
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 @mikekazimer: Go to norway. In Oslo the bike goes on the subway and trams for free (you have to have a regular ticket for yourself) and you can shuttle to the top of the mountain sn to the trailheads with the subway.
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 I tried it twice, didn't realize how much I used the sounds of the trail and tires to ride. Almost crashed both times. I sing the $#!+ out of Rage Against the Machine though.
  • 1 0
 "Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is the best." -FZ
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 Mark Matthews - Sweat Equity. The edit is awesome. The music and editing/filming is on point.
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 @henryquinney: with every podcast I love your ways more and more. Yadiyadiyada!
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 I tell you, The Black Keys are the best for riding. Try it
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 Can’t forget Orca by Wintersleep in the Stevie Smith Seasons segment. Gives me goosebumps every time…
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 Totally, that's a legendary movie section and the music is perfect. Goosebumps is right.
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 Nwd8 was full of great tunes but something about Fabian Barels segment with Shiny Toy Guns song was my absolute favourite.
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 @mikekazimer Excellent choice adding in Turnstile, they rip.
  • 2 0
 All their stuff is wicked good. Following their progression over the years has been fun, cool evolution. Looking forward to them live in a month.
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 PLOSIVS, Turnstile, Mission of Burma, King Gizzard…… @mikekazimer has great taste in music
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 Boris brejcha!
  • 1 0
 No discussion of mountain biking and music is complete without discussion of "Thee Deores"

open.spotify.com/artist/2ZjtmoSL9Ejdaz3m4TIMzc?si=Qze27HaiTAedBH7ALn1V-g
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 If anybody else couldn’t find a song that Henry mentioned, Prometheus by Kae Tempest, it appears they were in a band called Sound of Rum.
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 Hello from Switzerland, where I take public transport (Bus and Train) regularly to go biking...
  • 1 0
 I don’t listen to music when I ride. The Black Angels song Young Dead Men would be great in a video part with lots of slo-mo shredding
  • 1 0
 I think @henryquinney needs to experience the East Coast of the USA & CA if he wants to see people killing it on clapped-out sledges. (Maybe not North Carolina though)
  • 1 0
 Regarding winter tires for the PNW: Continental Baron! Handsdown the best thing I've ever ridden over wet roots in the cold. The new equivalent should be the Argotal.
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 Der Baron is unreal good. Both Kaz and I loved that tire.
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 An absolute utter display of total lack of taste in music.
Mountain biking is about 10 years behind BMX in the music video stakes.
Go watch Empire “Bad Idea” then come back to me before you mouth off…
F***ing student w***ers
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 lol terrible soundtrack tho
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 @mikelevy: How very very dare you!
I tried Kazimer’s on Zwift and it cost me about 20Watts… #vibekiller
  • 1 0
 @henryquinney I think you should just double down and fully commit, Squamish is okay, Tacomas and Flannel Shirts are mehh too!
  • 1 0
 7 minutes 23 seconds talking about mineral oil and not one mention of the Beastie Boys? Sounds like someone was trying to Savbatoge the podcast.
  • 1 0
 Stuff like Dario Marianelli, Future Islands, Coheed. Lots of Coheed. No hip hop/ rap though. Does not get me moving.
  • 2 0
 Sail by aholenation is the worst!!! Fugazi- yes please.
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 Music otw to ride, music otw home post ride. AM/FM radio in my brain in between.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer playlist is on par for aging out east coast hardcore kid no earth crisis??
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 I‘d like to see Mike Kazimer take his bike into a german train…
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 If he buys the correct ticket he'll be fine... But that's the catch here, right?
  • 1 0
 Music for intervals and workouts (if I'm doing them solo). Podcasts for more mellow rides.
  • 2 0
 Damn, Kaz. Mission of Burma, Kyuss, AND Low. My man...
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 Kate Bush is the only person I recognise on either of those lists
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 Switzerland actually uses a lot of trains, even for riding
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 I just listen to napalm death in the way to the trail.
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 Newfoundland is very cool Levy. It's not as fashionable and bro as Squamish, but that's a good thing
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 I’ve never been there, but that’s what I was implying. I’m sure I’d like it Smile
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 @mikelevy: next field test? I think the editorial team may even have some local content.
  • 1 0
 Thanks for making this podcast, and playlist happen! I am so pumped to get this in my ears!
  • 1 0
 Pretty much all of clays stuff has great music. The recent one with storch is such a blast.
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 music for all trail conditions ;-)


www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gha9xrM10w
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 not @henryquinney best pod performance...

1) turn your music off in the woods you tosser, i don't care if you are just passing me quickly....
2) i guess there are better places to ride than Squamish but you live there now so maybe have a "cuppa of shut the !@#$ up?"...... you wanker!
3) people in Europe definitely take bikes on all sorts of public transit you git! you can do these amazing point to point 100K+ rides over the Cols of the TdF and train/tram/bus back to a central locale!

There, I've exhausted by British insults that don't begin w/ the letter C! But he was trending there.
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 Are you okay?
  • 1 0
 CRINGE...personally i only can get psyched for mukbang asmr psytrance remixes
  • 1 0
 Hey here is a question/podcast idea. How much does it cost brands to make superbikes?
  • 1 0
 Thanks! Been pushing you guys for a music podcast for a while. Great way to finish up the work week!
  • 1 0
 Un Simple Histoire by Thievery Corporation - ROAM. Knew I would ride bikes for the rest of my life after that.
  • 1 0
 its BMX but chase hawks part in fit life...amazing part, amazing rider, and its spawned a 15 year love of the sword
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 Music while riding Frown
  • 1 1
 The dots over the O in Boös indicate that you pronounce the second vowel separately, e.g. “Bo-os”
  • 1 1
 neither canadians nor mountain bikers should be talking about music. Canadian mountain bikers? CMON now stop
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 I only wanted to talk about the Tragically Hip tbh
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 @mikelevy: upvoted because I'm pretty sure that's funny and possibly true but do I even know a song by them should i listen gimme their elevator pitch but if it's like that one guy who seriously started saying barenaked ladies were ackshually very talented then you stop right now thanks in advance
  • 1 0
 I can't hear Sail without picturing the cat jumping out the window.
  • 2 1
 Amen @henryquinney - “choose not to care”
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 We have shit loads of trains. They are everywhere
  • 1 0
 First and last Sail video I watched - ugh: youtu.be/gnOoNosa5VM
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 Van Homan | Fit Life | Patti Smith Group | Because the Night….
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 Best and highest use of Dragula was Crusty 2000…
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 Wolfmother.
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 Motive soundtrack is the goat, no riding movie soundtrack has come close
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 Buckethead
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 Municipal waste
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