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The Pinkbike Podcast: Episode 97 - Can We Predict the Future of Mountain Biking?

Dec 15, 2021 at 10:45
by Mike Levy  
Pinkbike Podcast
Art by Taj Mihelich


At the end of every year, we like to take a stab at what we think may or may not happen over the coming twelve months. Sometimes it's pretty obvious - it's no shocker they'll be a bunch more e-bikes out there in 2022, or that some stuff will still be hard to find - but we also have a few less clear-cut guesses. Full-suspension designed around Live Valve or Flight Attendant? More 27.5" bikes? Less 27.5" bikes? 32" wheels? Minnaar wins again? New drivetrains from SRAM and Shimano? Mispronouncing dachshund? Alien disclosure? Challenges for enduro racing?

Are we out to lunch? Let us know in the comments what you think we'll see in 2022.





THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 97 - CAN WE PREDICT THE FUTURE OF MOUNTAIN BIKING?
Dec 16th, 2021

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Featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.




Previous Pinkbike Podcasts
Episode 1 - Why Are Bikes So Expensive?
Episode 2 - Where the Hell is the Grim Donut?
Episode 3 - Pond Beaver Tech
Episode 4 - Why is Every Bike a Trail Bike?
Episode 5 - Can You Trust Bike Reviews?
Episode 6 - Over Biked Or Under Biked?
Episode 7 - Wild Project Bikes
Episode 8 - Do We Need an Even Larger Wheel Size?
Episode 9 - Why Are We Doing a Cross-Country Field Test?
Episode 10 - Getting Nerdy About Bike Setup
Episode 11 - Are We Going Racing This Year?
Episode 12 - What's the Future of Bike Shops?
Episode 13 - Are Bikes Too Regular Now?
Episode 14 - What Bikes Would Pinkbike Editors Buy?
Episode 15 - What's Holding Mountain Biking Back?
Episode 16 - Who's Your Mountain Biking Hero?
Episode 17 - XC Field Test Insider
Episode 18 - Electronics on your Mountain Bike: Good or Bad?
Episode 19 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 20 - MTB Conspiracy Theories
Episode 21 - Stuff We Were Wrong About
Episode 22 - Does Your Riding Style Match Your Personality?
Episode 23 - Grim Donut 2 is Live!
Episode 24 - Why Even Buy a DH Bike?
Episode 25 - Fall Field Test Preview
Episode 26 - The Three Most Important Mountain Bikes
Episode 27 - The World Champs Special
Episode 28 - All About Women's Bikes
Episode 29 - Freeride or Die
Episode 30 - Would You Rather?
Episode 31 - Wet Weather Riding Tips & Tricks
Episode 32 - What Needs to Change in the Bike Industry?
Episode 33 - Behind the Scenes at Pinkbike Academy
Episode 34 - Grilling Levy About Field Test Trail Bikes (and His Bonspiel)
Episode 35 - Story Time - Stranger Than Fiction
Episode 36 - Grilling Kazimer about Field Test Enduro Bikes
Episode 37 - The 2020 Privateer Season with Ben Cathro
Episode 38 - Editors Defend Their 2020 Best-Of Picks
Episode 39 - Predicting the Future of Mountain Biking
Episode 40 - The Pinkbike Awards!
Episode 41 - Racing Rumours and Team Changes
Episode 42 - Mountain Biking's Guilty Pleasures
Episode 43 - Dangerholm's Wildest Custom Mountain Bikes
Episode 44 - Mountain Bike Suspension Decoded
Episode 45 - What Makes a Good Riding Buddy
Episode 46 - The RockShox Zeb vs Fox 38 Deep Dive
Episode 47 - High Pivot Bikes: The Good, The Bad, and The Why?
Episode 48 - Rides That Went Horribly Wrong... & Why That Made Them So Good
Episode 49 - What's the Best DH Bike?
Episode 50 - Are Bikes Actually Getting Less Expensive? (Value Bike Field Test Preview)
Episode 51 - Should MTB Media Post Spy Shots?
Episode 52 - Our Most Embarrassing MTB Moments
Episode 53 - Should Climbers Still Have the Right of Way?
Episode 54 - Best and Worst MTB Product Marketing
Episode 55 - Big Dumb Rides & Staying Motivated
Episode 56 - What Were the Most Important Inventions in Mountain Biking?
Episode 57 - What Were the Best (and Worst) Trends in Mountain Biking?
Episode 58 - Debunking Mountain Biking's Biggest Myths
Episode 59 - Value Bike Field Trip Surprises & Spoilers
Episode 60 - What Kind of Mountain Biker Do You Want to Be?
Episode 61 - Athlete Pay, Lycra, Equality and More from the State of the Sport Survey
Episode 62 - Editor Preferences and Why They Matter
Episode 63 - Our Best (And Worst) Bike Buying Advice
Episode 64 - Who's On Your MTB Mount Rushmore?
Episode 65 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 66 - The Best and Worst of Repairing Bikes
Episode 67 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham
Episode 68 - Who Are Mountain Biking's Unsung Heroes?
Episode 69 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 1
Episode 70 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 2
Episode 71 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham - A Pinkbike Podcast Special, Part 2
Episode 72 - Hey Outers!
Episode 73 - The Details That Matter... and Some That Shouldn't
Episode 74 - The Best Trails We've Ridden and What Makes Them So Special
Episode 75 - Things MTB Brands Waste Money On
Episode 76 - MTB Originals and Copycats
Episode 77 - Interview with Outside CEO, Robin Thurston
Episode 78 - Modern Geometry Explained
Episode 79 - What's the Future of eMTBs?
Episode 80 - The Best Vehicles for Mountain Bikers
Episode 81 - You've Got Questions, We've (Maybe) Got Answers
Episode 82 - Behind the Scenes at Field Test
Episode 83 - Does Carbon Fiber Belong On Your Mountain Bike?
Episode 84 - Explaining RockShox's Computer Controlled Suspension
Episode 85 - Is the Red Bull Rampage Too Slopestyle?
Episode 86 - Greg Minnaar on the Honda DH Bike, World Cup Racing, and Staying Fast Forever
Episode 87 - How to Love Riding When it's Cold and Wet
Episode 88 - Mountain Biking on a Budget
Episode 89 - The Derailleur Pickle
Episode 90 - Is Supre the Future of Trouble-Free Drivetrains? (with Cedric Eveleigh of Lal Bikes)
Episode 91 - Riding Every Double Black in the Whistler Bike Park with Christina Chappetta
Episode 92 - Does Bike Weight Really Matter?
Episode 93 - Staying Motivated and Overcoming Burnout
Episode 94 - PBA Contestant Tori Wood on Her First Race and Finding the Right Mindset
Episode 95 - Field Test Down-Country Bike Debrief
Episode 96 - PBA Contestant Israel Carrillo on Riding in Mexico and Why It's Not Always About Speed


175 Comments

  • 29 1
 Calling Henry "in the pocket" of the big brands is bizarre. The big bike brands tend to make good bikes, it's as simple as that. All you need to do is ride them to know that is the case. Henry has been THE most critical reviewer (in every review so far) and has been extremely honest and fair to-date. It seems a lot of people want to blame the brands/industry for everything and develop these weird conspiracies about how every corporate entity is working together to screw the end consumer. Next thing we know, people are going to be talking about how the deep state is creating robot birds to spy on underprivileged children so the elite can *literally* feed on them...

...Oh wait...
  • 3 1
 Hmm, describe these birds you speak of, they may be hovering above my house right now... send help
  • 22 0
 The drones and the children? Ridiculous. However, the Queen IS a lizard and I won't hear otherwise. Her full name is actually Elizardabeth.
  • 19 0
 Oh hello, did I hear someone mention the deep state?!
  • 1 0
 screw the deep state... they have co-opted all the best conspiracy theories and ruined any shred of fun. Now tell us where to find the good ufo stories!
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: Deep state, not deep fried..
  • 5 1
 Just in case you missed it, "Birds aren't real" is awesome satire (unlike the other weird conspiracies OP rolled together)
  • 3 0
 Removing this "Specialized partially owns Outside" post did not actually help, it probably strenghthened some people in their believes. So now PB has its own conspiracy theory, congratulations Wink
  • 1 1
 @lkubica: Wait- Specialized owns Pinkbike and they removed all the posts complaining about it!!?? Everyone spread the word at #Pinkbikeisinthepocketoftheindustrialcomplex
  • 2 0
 @dontcoast: That satire came about because there are some actual crazies who really believe it. Also, birds definitely aren't real.
  • 2 0
 @lyfcycles: I think it's the other way around - read the guy who runs Birds arent Real's story, pretty fun read:
www.nytimes.com/2021/12/09/technology/birds-arent-real-gen-z-misinformation.html

Sadly, and utterly hilariously, some people do take it seriously lol.
  • 31 3
 I predict I will hate E-bikes even more than I did last year
  • 13 1
 Yep, the more the bike industry and media pushes E-bikes, the more I’ll grow to resent them.
  • 20 1
 Anyone having issues downloading Pinkbike Podcast on Apple Podcasts App?

Able to download some but comes up as server error on others with some missing all together.
  • 7 1
 @brmeyero yeah, last one I was able to listen to on Apple Podcasts was #94 with Tori Wood
  • 2 0
 I kinda doubt that has much do to with pinkbike's end. Sounds like an apple thing.
  • 2 0
 Same issue here. I’ve tried updating stuff and restarting stuff, but to no avail.
  • 3 0
 Same here. #94 is the last one I can download, even after updating my software and restarting my phone. All of my other Apple Podcasts work just fine.
  • 8 0
 Ugh. No this is probably our fault. Something going on with LibSyn.
  • 3 0
 It’s been like this for a few days now @brianpark:
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: awesome to know you’re on to it.
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: yeah I use pocketcast and it's not available yet
  • 3 0
 Yep I am having the exact same problem in the Apple podcast feed
  • 5 0
 @FMHUM: Bah, still happening. Trying to fix.
  • 3 1
 Pinkbike becomes the latest victim of "Big Podcast".....

Sorry folks, the podcast will only be available on spotify from now on
  • 3 0
 Yes same here, came here to see if it's just me or anybody else too. Glad I'm not the only one!
  • 4 0
 Yup, same issues
  • 1 0
 Still not showing on Acast either (all previous eps fine)
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: Thanks for investigating - Had to travel to work today listening to another Podcast.... It felt dirty - like I was cheating on my full suspension bike with a hardtail! I needed a a shower at the office.
  • 1 0
 Yep. Me too. Nothing after 94 on Apple for me either @brianpark
  • 1 0
 My feed only has 39 episodes in it now, much of the back catalogue is gone
  • 3 0
 This episode hasn't updated still today. I closed my apple podcast app and relaunched.. still nothing. Just to update you guys trying to sort it out!
  • 1 0
 Still nothing showing up on Apple. Spotify works, except it sucks for listening to podcasts in general..
  • 1 0
 @brianpark @mikelevy still nothing as of the 22nd on Apple. Should we just chalk this one up to an L and move on with our lives or is this still coming out?
  • 29 9
 I predict a paywall
  • 12 0
 Minor suggestion, and maybe I just missed this in a video or article, but it might be good for you all to show an elevation profile for the loop you all did the down country field test on, so that you can refute people's comments about the "BC Bias". To be honest, I have concerns about steeper seat tubes on shorter travel bikes, so it'd be really helpful to see what kind of rides you all were doing, especially considering how hard it is to demo a variety of bikes right now.

Also Henry, loving your reviews and banter on the podcast, don't let the negative folks get you down too much.
  • 19 0
 Ah thanks! It's funny, I aspire to be many things in life but less affected isn't one of them. I've developed a pretty thick skin, however, umbrellas keep out sunshine as well as rain and all that. For some reason, that particular thing just fired me up haha! I feel like I'm on even keel with most "pinkers" and that's super cool. It was a bit wild joining what is already a great team and thanks to everyone for making me feel welcome on the site. It's appreciated.
  • 7 2
 Me listening, when anyone except Henry is talking: *volume 15*...
Me listening when Henry starts talking: *volume 30*
Me when somebody else interjects while Henry is talking: "JESUS f*ck!" *turns down, then back up when Henry starts back up*
@brianpark boost his mic?
  • 3 2
 I wonder if this is an end user EQ balancing issue, or if something is getting compressed in strange ways between uploading or streaming, I certainly haven't had this issue, but it pops up enough to wonder. To my ear Henry's voice is on a slightly different register than the others, so too much in the mids or treble may be washing him out.
  • 2 0
 @pockets-the-coyote: It honestly sounds pretty decent in my speaks, so I'm not entirely sure yet.
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: Same, doesn't matter if I'm using my car stereo, +10 year old bluetooth speaker, wired or wireless ear buds. I'll bet there's a comment section or audio engineer forum that talks about average users setting EQ the same way mechanics talk about new riders setting suspension.
  • 1 0
 I had same problems hearing him at first in my car, turned bass down and can hear him same as others on show
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy Same here, I would have to crank the volume when Henry speak to even make sense of what he is saying, then had to turn it down when everybody speaks. Maybe run a little compression in post production(if there's a post production) to even everybody's volume?
  • 1 0
 Is it an accent thing? I think I've only ever read non-UKians commenting on how hard it can be to hear Henry sometimes. I've never had an issue personally.
  • 4 0
 @pockets-the-coyote: armchair audio engineer here. in a nutshell, compared to mid- and high-end frequencies, the low-end takes a lot more power to register the same audible "volume" to human ears. It's a classic mixing/mastering problem when intermittent bass frequencies are present. With no treatment, when you don't have the bass (the mikes speaking) volume will seem fine but your levels will be low, then when the bass is present (henry) your levels are blasted through the roof but volume will still seem comparatively low. A ton of compression can be a 'crowbar' solution, though that isn't considered very elegant. Interestingly, crappier speakers can offer a ton of compression innately because they don't reproduce low frequencies accurately (and thus fixing the "henry problem"). That said, this podcast is one of the best pieces I've heard concerning Henry's clarity and balance in the mix.
  • 5 1
 If the old enduro was the bike of choice for everyone at the field test why is it due for “improved” geometry? Isn’t the consensus that has gone too far? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it and besides carbon reliability issues I haven’t heard a bad thing about the enduro. Also before you come at me as a Luddite I run a 2021 spire and I run it in low.
  • 9 0
 “This bike is excellent, no need to update it” -no bike brand ever, unfortunately.
  • 3 0
 Just imagine the Spire with the swat box and the adjustment of the Kinevo - that's basically what I'm prediciting and would love myself.
  • 4 0
 Every modern bike should have a swat box.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: Maybe companies that don't change too much know something bike MFG's don't. I'd hazard a guess that Canon, for instance, knows how to run a business. They're chronically criticized for being slow to change and late to bring new tech to the market.
  • 2 0
 @TerrapinBen: for sure, I think in a few years this will be as important a thing as fitting a bottle cage
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: obviously you haven't seen the giant glory!
  • 1 0
 @henryquinney: you mention your love for the Spire a lot...how does it compare with the latest Sentinel? Would like to know yours and @mikekazimer views if possible between the two. Thanks
  • 7 0
 IMBA will rule the world, and all the trails will be flat.
  • 2 0
 Like the earth...
  • 6 0
 Can you guys do another episode like episode 35? Preferably with RC. I really enjoyed that one.
  • 6 0
 Yup, RC will be back!
  • 3 0
 PB Podcast Question:

With full suspension mountain bikes, I hear about steel frames adding compliance as well as carbon frames building in flex to certain areas with the lay up (not talking about flex chain/seat stays for single pivot). Then there are carbon handle bars with flex in one direction or the other. Mountain bike suspension is so advanced and customizable to each rider, should the frame be as stiff as possible and make the fork and shock do all the work to keep the wheels on the ground and provide the desired ride quality?
  • 9 0
 Good questions. Suspension can only move in the axis it was designed to, so there are a lot of times when your bike is leaned over and not able to absorb things as well as if it was vertical over those bumps. Frame and component flex can provide some give in those moments, but it might be a stretch to call it engineered flex. That said, they don't want the frames to be crazy stiff as that can make the bike feel like ass.

Last year, I did some back-to-back blind testing with five different handlebars (cheap aluminum, a few different carbon ones, and two with so-called intentional flex) and found zero difference. After the test, I tried to match up what I felt with the handlebars and guessed that the "comfortable" one was actually the thick aluminum handlebar. I'm not convinced.
  • 3 0
 if it was your own money, you have just one bike for the next 4 years or so and you want to do some shuttles, some epics and usually pedal for 2 hours to get one decent - you know what most of us normal people do, would it be the Propane or Stumpy you'd go for?
  • 1 0
 pedalling for 2 hours for one descent is not normal - you're incredibly lucky to live somewhere where that is a normal ride, it would be a bucket list holiday for some.

either that or you are really really slow ;-)
  • 2 0
 @AyJayDoubleyou: well the UK is a bit more flat than other countries. That being said, you're more than welcome to visit Cyprus - we have riding (not wet) weather 330 days a year
  • 10 7
 Seriously, pinkbike should move from Pemberton to the great plains of the Midwest to get a feeling how 90% of the mountain biking world spends their days.

The Ghost Riot would have won!

  • 3 0
 Definitely not gonna happen, but it would be cool if they had divisions across different parts of the country so they could have the pnw folks compare notes with the sw, northeast, mw, etc teams and have all areas covered under one review.

Also I'm not a Midwest rider so this is a genuine question, but wouldn't living in an area that is flatter or more undulating also necessitate a more efficient pedaler than what they described in the review? Or are Midwest trails a lot more technical than I'm imagining? I'm in the northeast so something slightly steeper and shorter and a little bit on the active side works great here for twisty and very rocky trails.
  • 1 0
 I am certainly intrigued by this bike. But I don't understand why it is so heavy. Is it super tough like a RAAW or Privateer? Is it secretly made of HiTen Steel? Brian Park claims to have a 24lb steel hard tail an aluminum full suspension should not weigh 50% more.

On the other hand, why is anyone surprised that bikes weigh so much. They are considerably longer now, have wider diameter (38mm) forks, bigger wheels, wider handle bars, thicker tires with inserts and goop, giant cogs, bigger brakes. And I think the more things get stretched out the more material needs to be added to keep it tough.
  • 6 0
 Kinda sounds like the 90% / Midwest riders are living in the wrong place!
  • 5 0
 Well, technically speaking the Great Plains states ≠ Midwest states.


That being said, middle America (Plain states & Midwest & Midsouth) have WAY better mountain biking than some on the coasts/mountain states think they do. Its just different. A ride is just 14 hills versus 1 mountain. Another advantage, such as it is, is that when you don't have the views, or the epic trail or the terrain, you have to work REALLY hard to make the trail interesting. And foot for foot, the decent trails in middle America tend to be more interesting. I've been on western trail where you have pay attention because either you will fall off the side of the mountain or its rough (usually due to poor maintenance) or you are going full plaid, but trail itself isn't anything but a line down the mountain. Contrast that with something like Swope Park (KS) or Jackpot (MN) or Brown County (IN) where its not big compared to out west, but its consistently flowing, swoopy with tons of little tech - in other words, fun and repeatable.

Look, Dubuque isn't going to be the next Moab, don't kid yourself. But its not a boring cow pasture either.

Besides basically pestering PB staff about a fat bike field test, I always suggest they should have the the field test location fit the bikes they are covering. I have to wonder how certain bikes would do if they the field test was taking place in Georgia or Michigan or Pennsylvania. Especially for lower travel bikes (130mm).
  • 4 0
 @CycleKrieg: "I always suggest they should have the field test location fit the bikes they are covering." I don't think our test bikes saw any terrain that was above their heads, though, and I'd argue that if they work here, they'll work there as well. Especially as we did think about pedaling performance quite a bit Smile
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: Yep, if your bike doesn't suck in BC, its probably not going to suck in Kentucky. I would argue there would two reasons to be willing to go other places outside BC for Field Tests: 1) To try bikes on different terrain with different limits factors might show some quirks are actually really big warts and 2) its way to highlight the awesomeness available outside the rain-soaked land of syrup and poutine. As an example of the first item, where I live (MN) we don't having "winch-n-drop" trails, that is, straight climbs (fire road or singletrack) and then straight descents that are just as long. Instead, a single trail might climb and descent a single slope multiple times along its length in a swoopy way around various trees. And our trail layouts are the norm east of the Rockies. As cool as the Starling Murmur is, for example, I think its balance and positioning issues would have REALY stuck out on the types of trail around here, which is interesting for your readers. As to the second item, there are lots of cool places and maybe they don't work for testing 170mm enduro sleds. But they would be perfect for XC bikes, hardtails, or downcountry bikes, etc. And those places want or rely on tourism. If word got out that the Field Test was a traveling circus, there are a lot towns and places that would fall over themselves to have Pinkbike do a field test on their local trails. As much as I give you guys a hard time about a fat bike field test, if it was actually a thing you might do, my local Chamber of Commerce would move heaven & earth for that field test take place locally. Lodging, food, entertainment, etc. And we wouldn't be alone in wanting that exposure.

I'll await that PM on who to talk to at Pinkbike to schedule that fat bike field test... :-)
  • 1 1
 @Dlinsky: There is not really tech in the midwest, unless you count some of the rare trails in upper MI and MN. Most of it is uppy downy singletrack with some roots and tight trees that will snag your 800mm bars. The best-regarded trails have some elevation, but tend to be more flow and machine-cut.
  • 1 0
 @CycleKrieg: Well said. I'm an extremes (one big mtn) type and go for those, and my Capra is easily overkill / 18-wheeler-on-a-single-lane-road for your trails or the ones you're describing, but I still respect this riding style & think it takes another kind of endurance than big up & down stuff I normally ride. The terrain you're listing is more constant endurance vs. gradual ups & edge-of-death downs. Both have their extremes. Would still like to visit, though, and ride a rig that's suited for those conditions but yeah: case in point is that most of us think of the US Midwest as one big cornfield and there's a lot more than that, esp in upper Midwest.

That being said, some of my DH loving buds like to goto Santos in FL (and other spots) and there's some pretty wild built terrain there. But - too effin' hot (and cocaine drug lorded) there for me, even in winter, so I don't bother but at least in western NC, there's big ups & downs literally right out the backdoor and I don't really have to go anywhere to have a blast as well as terrain that's kinda what you're describing - constant flow / uppy / downy Generalizing is easy to do, but it blows over all kindsa detail & terrain - hats off to ya & thanks for the reminder.
  • 5 0
 We "suffer" with the most expensive gas in North America, the most expensive housing in Canada, a metric shit-ton(ne) of yearly rain, asinine road design and vehicle congestion ... yet, can drive 1 1/2hrs and get to Squamish. 45mins to the North shore, or a whole plethora of fun mountains to ride from Whistler to Chilliwack (~3hrs apart).

I cannot fathom living in a flat area.
  • 2 0
 @njcbps: Word to that, can't not live in the mountains, I'd wither & die. Mtn born & raised, love it, don't take it for granted for one minute... its a thing for sure.
  • 1 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: I have Canadian relatives born and raised in the prairies that feel claustrophobic in the mountains of BC. I had not heard of that before ... guess it makes sense if you're used to being able to see for unobstructed for miles.
  • 2 0
 @njcbps: I can't relate to that, but I do get it - I simply cannot stand being in open flat places or even the rolling hills piedmont areas east of the Blue Ridge, makes me nuts, but its the reverse. I'm OCD about mountains but I get that some people don't like it. Those people do not shred.
  • 2 0
 Mullet and e bike question to get double the haters.


Why do e bikes mullets have a 2.8 wide tire in the back? As I understand it, they are the same outside diameter as a 29 non plus tire? So it really isn't a mullet with a smaller rear outer diameter, just wheel. Can't imagine they are lighter. Is it only a traction thing in this case?
  • 2 1
 All the traction.
  • 2 0
 Can't listen yet but - is there perhaps a revisit to 2020's predictions for 2021 and a PB crew ripping each other for those...or maybe do some of us need to go back & listen to that episode so fingers can be pointed and fives can be highed?
  • 3 0
 There is definitely some of that at the start of the episode.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: Word. Lookin' forward to it
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: You gotta go back further in time, some of your older predictions just got delayed by the pandemic or stuck in the Suez canal: pinkbike.com/news/2020-tech-predictions-more-integration-more-coils-more-aluminum-less-but-suspension-leaner-e-bikes.html
  • 2 0
 @DirtBagTim: Some of those are pretty decent!
  • 4 0
 The future of mountain biking. Round wheels. Green to double black trails. Fun times. Trail building Crashes Insert marketing BS in the middle of my predictions.
  • 3 0
 I agree Mike, 29'ers are tons of fun and hold a corner better. I don't buy that big wheels don't corner as good as smaller ones, or that they aren't as fun. It's all up to the rider.
  • 2 2
 Bigger heavier wheels won’t change directions as fast as smaller wheels which is why they don’t corner as well as smaller wheels. Likewise smaller wheels won’t plow in a straight line as well as bigger heavier wheels. Pick which works best for you and the trails you mainly ride.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: yeah pick any one of the three 275 bikes available this year.
  • 2 0
 It's a shame we really can't move past this 29, 27.5, 26 conversation... And that the ultimate narrative is simply "29 for everybody". I wish the conversation had a bit more nuance about how 29 front wheels are great for quite a bit of mountain biking. And 29 rear wheels are great for cross country and trail riding. 27.5 is great for some levels of downhill, freeride/jumping, and technically even some trail/enduro if we're talking really tight turns but without crazy chattery rocks/roots.

And then even with 26, most people just go yeah its a dirt jumper wheel and thats fine. But it does go a bit beyond that and there are brands right now who are catering to the idea of slopestyle, jump/pump track, or even flow trail bikes. And you know damn well they're fun. the NS Clash, the Giant STP, the Commencal HT XS. And in so far as the industry will never stop growing and developing, there is a place for 26ers and it's not just single speed hardtail dirt jumpers. And it makes even more since when you admit how close 27.5 (actually about 27.1) is to a 26 wheel... And how the Commencal mullet style 26/27 has a lot more usage implication than a dirt jump.

And I say all of this simply because I have, like many, upgraded to a 140mm 29er and it's funny because even at those numbers I feel exactly how Henry says where it takes away some of the 'present thought' of riding when compared to my previous bike (130mm 275er). I do love some elements of the bike, but checking my Strava it's not blowing anything out of the water. Tight trails I'm actually a touch slower, wide open trails I'm a touch faster. But frequently I find myself on parts of trails where I'm cursing the huge wheels and insane wheel base as I struggle to get my front wheel around a corner.

Being 'economically challenged' and needing to have a single do-it-all bike, I think a 120/130 650b or mullet bike would be perfect for me and my local trails. And when I see other riders on things like 180mm 29ers and I'm on my 140mm 29er and I look at the trails we have locally and how we're riding... I truly feel silly. It's like those big city dudes who have crazy lifted trucks that never see dirt. Simply silly...
  • 2 0
 @henryquinney how much of an influence do you think canyon factory racers are having an influence on updating race bikes, MVP has obviously been very successful on the lux and Jack Moir on the strive. Jack interestingly mentioned he chose the strive for EWS because the shorter, steeper geo was specifically better for racing the tight, unfamiliar stages of EWS but on familiar local trails prefers the more modern geo and stability of the spectral. In that situation is there incentive for canyon to modernize the geo of their enduro race bike for the average punter if it might slow down their racers at the pro level?
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 @danny-w It's hard for me to really say in regards to Canyon, having never had any dealings with their race teams. However, I imagine Fabien Barel to be quite in tune with what he feels he would want and has been in the game long enough to probably present what his riders want, too. At least on the factory team side of things. Canyon has many athletes though - it would be interesting to find out if they're all pulling the same way.

I think it also depends on the structure of the company. Canyon will have in-house designers whereas some companies, even quite big ones, use consultancy. Again, it's very hard to say, but sometimes the latter can mean that the feedback is quite insulated from the designers. You have to talk to the company and then hope they relay that information correctly back to their hired hands. This can mean the consultant has been hired for a particular design or philosophy. That can potentially mean they're more resistant to change or adapt - you might even have a direct line to them but they're not going to listen haha. On the other side, if they get it right, it can bring a company with a conservative outlook kicking and screaming into modern geometry.

Whether it's a result of that input or not, the Sender looks to be a great bike to set up in terms of fit. I know Jack Moir has his personal preferences about his bike, and quite frankly more power to him. I think whatever works for the individual is the most important thing. I imagine the difficulty of being a designer for a big brand is more about finding what works well for most though, which is a different matter entirely.
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 Why is there never talk about dynamo-hub powered derailleurs, electronic suspension crap, etc…??? It seems like an obvious solution to many of the electronic component complaints. It would also allow frame designers to build in integrated wiring to all the places.
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 @mikekazimer - random question. Back in April, you did a first look on the new Float X and DHX shocks. I'm looking at a new rear coil and the DHX looks to be a solid contender for my Privateer 141. How are you getting along with these shocks?
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 I predict that Henry will get his MOD button.

It’ll be a new, one-off “MOD -“ or “MOD Lite” button. He’ll have the full range of perks bar the one which make it possible to ban people who get on his t*ts.
  • 1 0
 Is this podcast broken on Apple podcasts for anyone else? Hasn’t downloaded since episode 94 (though I listened to episode 95, but it has vanished).

Latest iOS, deleted the app and reinstalled, and unsubscribed and resubscribed to the podcast. All my other podcasts are fine.
  • 1 0
 I know there's a million videos on the tube, but honestly, how do you all get better at doing bigger and bigger jumps by yourself? with my friend group, none of them want to do any jumps meaning every time I do one for the first time I never know the speed or pop and psyche myself out and it takes me forever. Any tips on doing this more quickly?
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 It's not so easy this time of year, but a trip to a good bike park is the easiest way I've found to progress relatively quickly - a couple days at Whistler can dramatically improve your skills. As always, start small and work your way to bigger features as you get more comfortable. Hiring a coach for a private or a group lesson is also a good way to get over some of the hurdles that are slowing your progress.
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 You need new friends dude. If your the best rider in your group then your friends are going to drag you down to their level. They’ll infect you with their fears and you won’t put any effort in because you know your good enough to drop them without trying and you’ll get lazy where on the other hand riding with faster more confident riders has the opposite effect. They fill you with confidence force you to ride better just to keep up with them and actually show you how to hit the features your not sure about hitting. You don’t need to cut your mates off or anything but you should definitely acquire new mates that are a few levels above where you are and want to ride the stuff you want to ride if you want to progress. Having a good group of riders that ride often and your the worst member of the group is the best way of getting good. Also consider buying a bmx or a jump bike and finding a good skatepark and practice there.
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 @thenotoriousmic: yeah, kind of a harsh reality isn't it, I made some lofty goals for myself next year that I'm pretty sure I won't be able to tick off without tow-ins so maybe it's time to start hanging out at the top of the jump line trails and wait for potential friends lol. Also a good point about the bmx, that seems like a pretty good starting point especially in the dead of winter. Thanks for the tip!
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 @mikekazimer: Thanks for the tip, the elusive whistler bike park slipped through my fingers again this past year with the ever classic "Next year I am for sure going" what's weird is that Oregon has some bike parks, but no real good jump trails on them (minus bachelor) and with stevens shut down (f*ck vail) the closest bike park with jumps is actually whistler, maybe I can use that as an excuse to my wife to let me go finally. Also a lesson is great idea, do you have references??
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 @hallj2: exactly having someone to hold your hand an toe you through the big lines really brings you on.

If you think about it. Unless you’ve got a lift you’re probably only riding for ten to twenty minutes a day and even then there’s only going to be a few sections that challenge you. The rest of the day is spent in the car driving to the location and riding / pushing to the top of the trail only to be at the bottom two mins later. At the skateparks it’s all action from the moment you get there to the moment you leave. This is why the BMX’er are all coming over to mtb and dominating. It’s like they’ve come from a different league and it’s mainly due to the time they’ve spent actually riding bikes not doing all the in-between stuff you have to do just to get your bike to the top of a mountain.
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 @hallj2: Little Monkey @ Sandy was just worked on, but will need to dry up some more before it's golden. I find East Waluga park in LO to be a good clump of lines, its small and usually pretty quiet. IMO it's more comfortable to set-up a camera and session than Gateway.
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 @hallj2: Although you may be well beyond them in skill level, maybe Jonny Royale or Upper Grand Prix at Post are better options? I'm far from being skilled at jumps myself, and am curious of your thoughts.
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 @thenotoriousmic: bmx riders rule, go check out Alaina at Pinkbike Academy.
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 @pockets-the-coyote: Yeah, I've heard about waluga park but gateway is 10 min ride from my house so a lot easier to get to but good looks. and yeah a few of my goals are to finally hit all of Johnnys (only actually cleared the first hip and stump thing as well as the lower 1/3rd) and TNT (only cleared first 3 jumps). and then I also have clearing all of thrillium and buck knife. I feel like most of these are on my list because they have more "unique" long steep takeoffs rather than just straight kickers and you really need to see someone do it in person first to judge speed and body position before doing them, basically terrified of getting bucked, but I can see how going to a pump track or dirt jumps would definitely get me to the point where I'm more comfortable with this.
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 @hallj2: I'm in the same boat, Gateway is much closer to home. I found Waluga working in Tigard and wanting something I could hit on the way home when we have more day light and I think it would be worth the visit despite that, the lines are short with a good progression but low consequence and fairly intuitive, similar scale to the skills lines between the pump track and gap jumps at Gateway, but with the drops cut out.
  • 1 0
 Question (maybe for a podcast on the agg trail bike reviews if you're doing one?) @mikelevy @mikekazimer @henryquinney . Having watched the first couple of trail bike reviews and considering different spec models... What difference would a rider notice going between the Grip damper and Grip2 damper on a Fox 36? I have an OEM 36 rhythm with Grip on a 2021 150/160mm trail bike, having never ridden a Grip2 I'm interested to hear if you think it's worth 'upgrading'. How different would feel and performance be with the extra adjustability?
  • 1 0
 I'm predicting some sort of combination of gearbox bikes with electric shifting and/or electric motors. Don't know why y'all think gearbox bikes won't become a thing. Suspension performance is MEGA compared to having a rear mech.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy @henryquinney I'm super excited about the prospect of getting Vernon on the podcast. It'd be a little off topic (especially for you guys in Canada), but I'd love to hear his take on why bike companies aren't doing more to advocate for Wilderness access in the United States. I know he did a bunch of writing about this before jumping back into the industry, and I'd be curious to see if his views have changed a few years on.
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 I hate hearing the struggles of the little/smaller brands hurting for the parts but it makes total sense. It would be pretty awesome to see the big guys throw them a couple bones on getting parts because let's be honest, the competition is what is pushing the progression of our sport and giving us the best bikes we've ever had.

Rant/wishful thinking over.
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 @mikekazimer @mikelevy @brianpark - Logistical question: seeing this new podcast on the website but it will not show up in apple podcasts all day yesterday then today. Got it to open in Spotify (but never use that for casts) - is there maybe an apple issue w/ this? Removed my app then re-DL'd it but PB still is not showing this new episode in my view...
  • 1 0
 On Flight Attendant, I'm surprised a bike company hasn't bought GM's magneride and adapted it for mtb. Latest version is up to 1000 adjustments/sec, adjusting fluid viscosity seems better vs servos turning mechanical valves back and forth.
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 EWS year after year has refused to make the footage as good as Nate Hills can provide with a go pro. I can't understand it. You can't really watch live so the highlights show is all they have and while it's not bad, it's pretty obvious it could be A LOT better. Of course it's expensive but it's all they really have, they should invest a lot more in making more and better video.
  • 1 0
 The audio on this was one all over the place. Listened to this on a road trip and I either couldn’t hear Henry/ Brian, or Levy would wake passengers up when he spoke. A little audio balancing would make this more enjoyable.
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 Lots of Talk about chainstay length. I remember a few years ago you all singing the praises of super short c/s (thinking 425 mm on G2 process). Now super short is unbalanced and you all want chainstays to get longer to balance reach. Lots of size small bikes have reach shorter than chainstay. Does that mean us smaller riders should be riding backwards?
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 No, just that a few of us have ridden bikes with longer rear-ends that we've liked, especially as the fronts get longer.
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 Thats why more bike brands should make size specific rear ends.
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 Mullet question....

Process X is “designed” to run 27.5 or 29 rear wheel via flip chip without compromising the BB height. I dont see too many other companies pushing this option. What other compromises would result ? Suspension Kinematics ?
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 With eBike only going up I feel like sram gets in the market. All the cables and wires for the systems are annoying. I hope sram makes a motor to go with the axs ecosystem. Wireless controller and clean lines. The only downside is it will be run off 1200 axs batteries that only last 30 miles.
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 Henry and Mike. Thank you for acknowledging the superiority of the Sausage Dog. It has been a struggle to make your comment gold - even if I ride the coat tails of a fellow serial sausage dog owner. I have to thank my wife for her devotion to cleaning up poop during fowl weather events. I think you should have another dogs of pink bike article.
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 @mikelevy @henryquinney do you foresee electronic suspension being banned at the pro level for downhill racing. Effectively taking away riders skill. I can see this happening similar to F1 how cvt, abs and traction control all got banned from F1 however the technology trickled down to the consumer level for the everyday driver.
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 Ha - the racers would want to start using it in earnest first! Joking aside, I think we have seen various electronic systems and it's probably a slippery slope to try and police that. A remote wireless lockout would be very useful somewhere like Fort Bill though. I think it Portugal last year when Bruni was grabbing levers and switches. I think it could get there, but it has a long way to go yet.
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 The future is singlespeeds.
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 Mechanically single speed e-bikes with automatically varying power output.
  • 4 0
 I don't care about wheels. I want a 250mm dropper.
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 Fat bike field test with the unpossible climb .
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 Predictions:

- Gearboxes (an exposed chain in a muddy environment is an oddity)
- Maybe new frame material - some glass-filled composite that could be injection molded.

What I'd like to see is more competition in the component industry. There's obviously gold in them hills, so someone else besides Shimano / SRAM / Rockshox / Fox can have a piece of the pie.
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 This comment is on Mike Levy’s “Flight Attendant” prediction. I think in simplest terms what he means is that a company could deliberately make a bike that peddles poorly and use flight attendant to negate this.
  • 1 0
 I imagine we will continue seeing sweet raw alloy bikes such as the Privateer's, Transition's, Raaw, and others! I think its great you can get sweet bikes that cost $1000-$2000 less than their carbon contemporaries!
  • 1 0
 Not yet for me trying to access from the UK. I can’t see any more recent episodes than 94 on Apple podcasts. Look forward to getting back to these, dog walks are not the same…
  • 1 0
 Still figuring it out, but it's definitely on our end. I walk dogs for 2-3 hours a day and would be lost without podcasts haha
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 How about Sram full automatic gear change, like automatic gearbox in car. AXS seems have everything mechanically, and flight attendant has all the sensor, just need some more coding.
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 I predict a MTB marketing future with NO COMPROMISES!
  • 1 0
 More bikes at the price point of the Cannondale Scalpel HT. Really good spec paired with lower costs. (pipedream, I know, I just really want this to happen.)
  • 3 0
 Why are the podcasts not on apple podcast anymore? Last one there is #94
  • 1 0
 I feel your pain. I've no doubt once they're off the 'shrooms that @mikelevy and @henryquinney will sort it.
  • 1 0
 @Wilm: I suspect it is apples mushroom filter that removed them
  • 1 0
 You clearly didn't like the Ghost from the field test, but how did the Formula stuff compare to the other suspensions and brakes?
  • 3 0
 Are there improvements that can be made to make enduro more watchable?
  • 2 0
 “The future ain’t what it oughta be.” Yogi Bera
  • 3 0
 "daak·snd"
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 Weinerdogs. I've never heard anyone pronounce that wrong.
  • 2 0
 I'm so embarrassed.
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 @brianpark: we appreciate the representation nonetheless. Don't let anybody yuck your yum @mikelevy
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 @vapidoscar: Except that you spelled it wrong.
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 Ebike with built in blue tooth speakers are the future.
  • 1 0
 32 inch wheels?? Pfft... 30.5 inch is the next wheel size to be a dick about...
  • 1 0
 Chris Porter did it in 2017 i dont know why someone couldn’t do it again. Or maybe he shaped the industry damn nvm
  • 1 0
 My prediction for the next couple of years: mullets will fade away into obscurity, much like plus bikes.
  • 1 0
 Seems like 95 and up aren't showing up on Apple podcast app? Anyone else notice that?
  • 1 0
 If the new Enduro is like a Kenevo without the battery, and takes inspiration from the Stumpy? Would it be an Evo Kenevo?
  • 1 0
 This is still not showing in my Apple podcast feed. At this rate the future will have happened!
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 Still Not Available on Apple Podcast App or Amazon music.... I miss you guys (sad face)
  • 2 0
 the future is Aliens!
  • 2 0
 28.99% of the time.
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 Tire/ insert combo.
  • 1 0
 It’s pronounced daks-hund
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 Nah it's actually pronounced sausagedog!
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 Awesome podcast today!
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 Only a recent follower of the PB podcasts but have to say they are hands down the best of any MTB related channels and @mikelevy has to be the best MC/chair/moderator/whatever I've listened to irrespective of topic.
  • 1 0
 I predict I won’t be able to download a usable user image next year too.
  • 1 0
 "Lizard People" Edition Transition Spur is happening.... I can smell it.
  • 1 0
 Also... is Dmack Ya Heard Smile
  • 1 0
 This podcast hasn't appeared in pocket casts yet
  • 1 0
 Why have you stopped putting the podcast on PocketCasts?
  • 2 0
 We haven't - just a tech issue we're trying to fix. They'll be back soon Smile
  • 1 0
 How come this and each episode after are not on Apple podcast anymore?
  • 1 0
 36 wheels ain’t dead.
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 Quit trying to predict the future that's for arm chair quarterbacks you fool, take it as it comes and enjoy the ride, that's the beauty of it all.
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 Ok
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 Don't like it, don't listen.
  • 4 0
 Sounds like less banter, though?
  • 4 0
 @lowejw Eventually you'll run out of giving shit to your mates for things they have done so it becomes natural to take the piss for things they might do. It's like Minority Report and the Mikes are those weird kids in the bath.
  • 1 1
 @henryquinney: ?? My comment is slight sarcasm no ill feelings just a little sarcasm, lighten up Karen
  • 1 0
 @lowejw: yes - I understood. For future reference if I'm talking about Minority Report I'm probably being sarcastic too...
  • 1 0
 Can we get timestamps?
  • 1 3
 A$$holz

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