This New Tire Doesn't Look Like a Minion - Taipei Cycle Show 2018

Oct 31, 2018 at 8:58
by Mike Levy  
Taipei Cycle Show


Just imagine being a tire company trying to make an impact in today's market where, if you don't have a Maxxis or Schwalbe hot patch on the sidewall, you're basically invisible to many consumers. Your two options include making a tire that looks a lot like a Minion (shoutout to basically everyone), or you can try to design something unique that hopefully still works well. Tioga has taken the latter route in the past with their wild-looking Psycho Genius tire, but then came the more traditional Glide range that looked a lot like, you guessed it, a Minion.

Hey, there's a reason that so many burly tires are similar: The design is proven to work pretty well.


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But with their new Edge 22, Tioga is back to doing things differently. The front-specific Edge is an all-mountain tire that sports a very untraditional central channel due to nearly a complete lack of crown lugs, which Tioga says creates a second cornering edge that's inboard of where we'd usually think cornering lugs belong.

I haven't ridden the Edge 22 (the show is its first public appearance) and all that might sound a bit odd, but there's some theory behind it.

Think of a tire's shape as having a crown (the top), a transition area that may or may not have knobs, and then the cornering lugs on the edges. Now picture the Tioga tire that has the usual cornering lugs to create the bitting edge when you lean into it hard, but there's also a second row of lugs higher up that also have an edge to them... Now you wouldn't have to lean into the tire so hard to access that edge, says Tioga, with the result being, ''jaw-dropping control that redefines the meaning of railing a corner.''
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The most obvious question is about rolling speed, as most fast tires sport some kind of central ridge rather than a central trough. I suspect that it being a front tire means this will matter less, but I'll have to spend some time on it before we see if that's true or not. The tire pictured here is still in prototype phase, and Tioga is sussing out some of the details like casing thickness and flat protection, but they're saying that it'll come in somewhere around 900-grams.

Does it work? I don't know yet, but I do know that it's been awhile since we've seen some out-of-the-box thinking in the tire world, so I'm eager to have a go when they're ready this coming spring.


168 Comments

  • + 135
 looks like a minion with 'michael strahan' center knobs
  • + 36
 It's a great tire for those gap jumps.
  • + 33
 Big and black and tough and rugged, clean cut and professional - yet soft and charismatic and absolutely handsome and heart warming?

Yep those are Michael Strahan knobs.
  • + 47
 *all non-colonials furiously googling "Michael Strahan"*
  • + 7
 The Un-ion
  • + 9
 Way to just ignore WTB and their awesome tire design lol
  • - 15
flag mkotowski1 (Oct 31, 2018 at 16:19) (Below Threshold)
 Your a douche
  • + 14
 @johnski: whats a colonial? like when your constipated?
  • - 4
flag AlexS1 (Oct 31, 2018 at 20:06) (Below Threshold)
 @johnski: And some crazy broke Asian too.
  • + 2
 Passion gaps are cool
  • - 4
flag High-Life (Nov 1, 2018 at 7:23) (Below Threshold)
 This is the rubber you wear when you bang Kelly Ripa
  • + 2
 Thanks for the coffee thats on my computer screen
  • + 1
 Hysterical
  • + 46
 "The most obvious question is about rolling speed" No, that really doesn't matter on a front. The biggest question is about braking performance since well over 50% of braking power comes front your front stopper. That tread pattern doesn't scream braking power, but then neither does a DHF.
  • + 14
 "Most obvious" does not equal "biggest". And the illustrious Mr Levy did amend that question with "I suspect that it being a front tire means this will matter less".

All questions are fair game on a new tire that isn't proven yet.
  • + 2
 Why does rolling speed affect the rear more than the front, their both spining at the same time.
  • + 13
 @Cezcez1928: Because your rear wheel carries more of the weight than the front. I think it's close to a 60-40 split.
  • + 6
 @Cezcez1928: Rider's weight is mostly over the rear tire. Friction is proportional to "normal force" (applied weight).
  • + 1
 @Cezcez1928: more weight over the back tire is generally the case
  • + 8
 My beef with “other” tires (non schwalbe/maxxis) is that the compounds usually suck for PacNW and BC. Anyone have different experience?
  • + 9
 @powderturns: Maxxis has been around for so long that I think they’ve got their super tacky compounds figured out. Schwalbe is good but I find that they wear quite a bit quicker than the tacky Maxxis tires. Most tire manufacturers are coming out with pretty darn tacky compounds and I find that tire wear is really what seperates them. Road with the Onza Aquila tire over the last summer and was super impressed with the grip it had but was even more impressed by the tread wear. The onza Aquila is definitely a contender for an awesome tire, would definitely recommend anyone use it. Very similar tread to the DHR 2.
  • + 2
 @powderturns:my se4s are pretty good. Not as soft or grippy as magic marys but they roll a lot faster and corner quite well.
  • + 1
 @hmstuna: ditto here with the se4. The sidewalls also don't feel like their sidewalls are made of wood (looking at you maxxis)
  • + 1
 I always hear that the front doesn't matter, but when I swapped my Ardent 2.4 for a Minion 2.6, I lost 1-1.5 minutes on several different 20 minute up hills and I didn't just happen to be a little tired those days. Going downhill, rolling speed was much less noticeable.
  • + 1
 @nateisgrate: in my experience it's the opposite. Magic marys last a lot, dhrs crumble to pieces after few rides
  • + 1
 @hmstuna: running se4 2.6 and they are fantastic
  • + 4
 I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe there is a trade-off of braking grip for cornering grip, but then again one doesnt have to slow down as much if one can corner at a higher speed...
  • + 11
 @powderturns: Conti hot chilli works like a hot damn. IMHO The Trail King is an underrated tire.
  • + 5
 @powderturns: Continental Black Chilli rubber is great for BC/PNW - works well summer and winter. Good durability as well.
  • + 5
 @pedalhound: i liked them until tge sidewalls made it look like i needed a truing. Just seemed like they went out of wack fast on my enduro...still run them on my dh hardtail though.
  • + 8
 @gonecoastal: IMO Michelin has the best compounds and the best carcass. So sweet. Just wish they would release the DH 22 or make a 2.5 RockerR2. The GripR2 is a decent tire too. Haven't tried the Enduro tire yet. You have to remember Michelin has more employees with PHD's than most other companies combined.
  • + 3
 @Cezcez1928: as you've been told, there's much more weight on the rear than on the front, so you actually need less mechanical grip (knobs) on the rear. A nice setup is a fast rolling tire on the rear, and a bittier one on the front. There are even people who use a wider on the front and a narrower at the rear to help speed. If you commute or ride pavement a lot, you'll be surprised what a fast tire on the rear does to your bike!
  • + 0
 Has anyone said that the rear wheel carries more weight??
Whoosh There It Is.
  • + 5
 @powderturns: Michelin FTW!
  • + 1
 @nateisgrate: i prefer to shy away from from big brands like shwalbe and maxxis. i run tioga glides, CST BFT, Vee flow snaps, Terrene chunks, and kenda nevegals between all my bikes. i mainly run them because of pricing reasons, but i find the grip to be far superior to big brands like maxxis and shwalbe.
  • + 1
 @Cezcez1928: yeah, i don't understand that either
  • + 1
 @PJD1: I had a couple of 26" Rubber Queens do that 6-7 years ago, tyres had good grip and loads of wear left in them, but on both some threads snapped and it looked like I had seriously tacoed wheels. Never bought Contis since.
  • + 1
 @ORTOGONAL555: same here
  • + 2
 That probably has more to do with the weight than the rolling resistance @funkendrenchman:
  • + 1
 @hmstuna: agreed....hooked on those 29x24 SE4 tires...great all rounders!
  • + 5
 you find a lack of braking performance from a DHF? even on loose terrain, my DHF will hold under braking past the point at which I am lifting the rear tire. I honestly don't think I have ever remotely questioned the braking performance of a DHF until it was 80% gone. That said, I replace tires at 50% or sooner.
  • + 1
 @funkendrenchman: Yep, still gotta climb these things. After some 2.6 testing, I'm back to narrower rims and the tried, true, and light Specialized 2.3 Butcher/Purgatory GRID combo.
  • + 3
 @powderturns: From the other side of the world,Maxxis tires shine here too...Most of my mates are on Maxxis tires. Even the cheapest 2.5 WT Minion is very good to me. I try some Schwable tires but I would take a DHF/DHR combo over any tire in the market any day,eyes closed.
  • + 0
 @es7ebanlv: yes rolling speed is good,but speaking about DH/Enduro bikes, I would choose braking power over rolling speed. For me ,I take the penalty in rolling speed if I can brake better&later or trust 100%my rear tire in a steep rock face.Most of the braking time is on the rear brake,so a good braking tire can save some time.
  • + 1
 @ORTOGONAL555: A Magic Mary on the front can last 2+ years for the weekend warrior.
  • + 1
 @metaam: my shop agreed and said that continental started cheapie out a bit in their construction, don't know how true it is, but also said he had same problem, sidewalls gave out. Weird though, I've had a set of trail kings on my evil for time and they're still fine. I mean I ride it 6 times a year but still...
  • + 1
 could be a good snow tire.
  • + 1
 @powderturns: Continental. Black chilli protection apex in an amazing BC tire
  • + 1
 @mikebuff: Maybe, but people say the 150g weight difference doesn't matter on the front. I disagree.
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69: And they know all the best places to eat, in some weird twist of fate.
  • + 1
 @funkendrenchman: usually when you run dad tires, you ride at dad speeds.
  • + 1
 @powderturns: In the slop I run 2.6 Super Tacky DHF's front and rear for the win. Used to be super common to see world cup dh racers run this setup, sometimes with blacked out Maxxis hot patches. The real heads know!
  • + 3
 @nickyp132: well I am a dad so I guess it makes sense then. Thanks for the insight.
  • + 1
 @nateisgrate: your newness to mountain biking is so cute. Wink

Tioga has been around far longer thab just about any rubber company, since 1947 as Mitsuboshi. Maxxis only gained popularity in mtb in the last 10 to 15 years even though CSR has been around since the late 60s. But the minds of the consumer is fickle...
  • + 1
 @thunder-nuggets: uh... cst is the parent company for maxxis.
Tioga is huge. Kendall huge....
  • - 9
flag nateisgrate (Oct 31, 2018 at 19:48) (Below Threshold)
 @Poulsbojohnny: didn’t say they’ve been around the longest, I just said that they’ve been around awhile and seem to have things figured out. Also a better rider than the majority of people including you but thanks for the reply.
  • - 9
flag nateisgrate (Oct 31, 2018 at 19:52) (Below Threshold)
 @Poulsbojohnny: when you get to my level of riding you can come to BC and I’ll show you what’s up. Until then, practice makes perfect little man.
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69: I have a Rock'R2 Magic-X 29x2.35 up front currently; it's built like a DH tyre. That is going to the rear once my Wild Enduro 2.4 Magic-X arrives. Also have a Wild Enduro Rear 275 tyre for when I want to hybrid it up.

Agree that the DH22 needs to come out!
  • + 2
 Maybe it’s my riding style, but I’m more concerned about cornering than braking. (I ride fast, but seem to lose more traction in cornering, and wishing I had more braking bite)
I’ve grooved many tires for desert racing, and we always focused on long grooves for side bite in our front tires.
  • + 0
 @nateisgrate: actually my Vittoria Martello have been absolutely amazing for BC. The crappy part is that they wear out FAST. I new run kenda hellkat in RSR rubber. After half a season I'm the park, the rear shows minimal wear and the front still looks new. Compound is really soft and grippy. I'd say they're better than the minions they replaced in ever my aspect except for rolling speed.
  • + 2
 @Poulsbojohnny: i am aware of that the BFT is far better than any maxxis tire
  • + 1
 @MtbSince84: how does friction affect rolling resistance if the tyre isn't slipping?
  • + 1
 @thunder-nuggets: happy with performance of VEE Tyres....
Using Crown gem up front, trail taker on back...
  • + 0
 @Cezcez1928: I don't think you deserved down voting. Rolling resistance is equally important on both wheels... Except, I suppose, people are often happier to trade this off for grip in the front. It doesn't mean it has any less of an effect on the front though.
  • + 2
 @nateisgrate: I don't know, man. I looked at the video on your profile page. I've never wiped out into hikers before!
Seriously, what were those people doing on the trail?!?!?!
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69: the wild enduros are amazing tires. I’ve been very surprised how versatile they have been. Reno dust on crust, Tahoe beach sand (mostly decomposed granite), Northstar moon dust, mammoth kitty litter and the few small patches of loam we have around Reno/Tahoe. I’ve been blown away by how well they grip, and they last, and the casing is great. Best tires I’ve ever ridden IMO. design feedback from guys like Vouilloz, Clementz, Hill and Zink is pretty handy I’d say. Excited to try the DH versions of them this spring.
  • + 13
 The original Maxxis DH tire (similar to the tread pattern of the Tioga Psycho...was very similar to this tread pattern.
This tread pattern, if you can try it out and test what I felt in years gone by...is if you grab a handful of brake and the tire is aimed in semi-awkward directions...the tire tends to literally BITE DIRECTIONALLY.
What I mean is there is no consistent bite when turning or if the wheel is pushing a bit in a turn, it will ONLY grip at certain lean angles or certain terrain.

You wont get a consistent bite at the brake lever or in terms of traction. You have this odd combo of skidding uncontrollably all the while the tire is GRABBING and PULLING the wheel left or right.

Does that make any sense to anyone? I've felt it multiple times on tires like this under hard braking. It gets AMPLIFIED in a rut too because those knobs will try to grip and pull hard on the washout or rut and climb the sides of the rut and yet NOT STOP OR STEER controllably while going straight down the rut.
  • + 4
 I notice this with the DHF. Very slight, not as bad as what you describe but when I put a DHRII then a High Roller II on the front, hard braking was much more stable while upright. With that said, few tires have the cornering bite and the rolling resistance of the DHF.
  • + 1
 @ssip: This tire is even more dramatically devoid of a consistent knob pattern than the High Roller, but something similar.

This Tioga will function more like a dual rudder on a wake board and you don't really want the characteristics of a dual rudder on the front tire of a bike.

If you increased this pattern to motocross bike size, you'd freak the heck out first time you grab the brakes and the tire went all sorts of nutter!!!
...but for some reason on a mountain bike, it's acceptable?
  • + 1
 @bizutch agree but brake early and hit the turn off the brakes and they railed
  • + 2
 that directional bite is more noticeable in DH 2.5 Minion than in a 2.5 WT tire. This summer I ride a DH bike for first time it 3 years and the only thing I was missing was a WT 2.5 Minion,that directional bite in the 2,5 ST DH Minion on a narrow rim was shaking the front wheel and pulling up the bike in the middle of the corner. It take me a little to trust again those narrow tires,I like the bike a lot but I was missing the grip and sweetness of the wider tires&rims.
  • + 1
 @bizutch: I believe it. Now that you mentioned that analogy I wonder how the tire would do in Socal's dry sandy trails or the kitty litter in Mammoth. I'd be scared to use something like this in loose over hardpack though.
  • + 10
 Listen, if you want a stupid tyre, do yourself a favor and turn your highrollers backwards. You can also turn them inside out. But if you do want to try hard then develop a tyre with minion dhf knobs on the right and Ikon on the left. You will then be able to have your sweet side.
  • + 1
 Would be sick for a trail that is always off camber. But you might just be giving them silly ideas.
  • + 10
 So I can rail corners without having to lean as far? That doesn’t make sense. You can’t hold the same speee through a turn if you’re (relatively) upright. Physics, force vectors, etc etc.

Consider my jaw not dropped.
  • + 1
 Yeah, but there´ll always be scrubs out there who´ll either not be able to utilize a good tread anyways or are not able to understand the basic physical principles that are in play here.
I´ve had this discussion on youtube before, where i said (regarding a different tire):
"So it´s a tire for people who do not know how to corner?"
Guess what, all the guys who never wear out their sideknobs collectively lost their minds.

There´s certainly a demographic for these things, just as there is one for all the various sorts of knob vomit tires out there which mostly only work in a straight line.
However, i do not really see any potential in this design. It just looks like something from 20 years ago and as if it would ride rather unpredictable.
  • + 8
 You'll have to rip corners like on a snowmobile! Hanging ff the side of bike, outside foot in the air.
  • + 3
 @MTBrent: Nailed it on the visual.
  • + 2
 @MTBrent: Now thats style. So these tires get you that half body hanging off one footed snowmobile style? What the hell, I'll take two.
  • + 2
 @Boardlife69: but, but, but it's front specific, if you put one on the rear too you'll get both feet in the air on one side, body on the other. just sayin'.
  • + 6
 So, as we all have realised by now that the minion layout in some variation or another is nearly ideal, it would be great if tire companies, instead of designing another knob vomit tire, would focus on actually improving tire technology. You know, sidewalls, puncture protection, rubber compounds and weight. Now that would be great!
  • + 7
 Totally agree, tread patterns are pretty much solved now, but this stupid craze of running thin assed side walls to save weight, then running sealant, plus a foam inner core is pretty silly really.

Why not just have good side walls?
  • + 4
 @bigburd: that's why running a dh tire in the rear is a good idea. Learnt that lesson the hard way.
  • + 4
 "sidewalls, puncture protection, rubber compounds and weight" then the MTB industry gives us plus sized tires, thinner side walls, punctures quicker and just as heavy. Solves all your problems.
  • + 9
 What’s up with the minimal center knobs? Would be hard to brake on a rocky downhill
  • + 25
 Unless you manage to keep the tops of these rocks exactly in that center channel (or you have negative rim width), the knobs just next to the channel will still bite even if you're not cornering.

Now this is keyboard warrior against keyboard warrior. Let's call it a draw.
  • + 11
 @vinay: I hope negative rim width is the new big thing in mountain biking
  • + 34
 @vinay: no no no, just wait until waki interjects with a 5 page discourse of science that eventually bleeds into an existential wrap-up about how everyone's machismo is a big front for protecting our deep-seated fear that our dingus size is inadequate
  • - 2
 This is the first tyre where you are supposed to brake only in corners. It rolls faster in corners than on the straight too. Fkng brilliant.
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: You were supposed to respond with dingus size science.
  • - 1
 @Boardlife69: I am being a douche to him by not being a douche.
  • + 3
 @nhp890: In this time when progressive riders are shredding their gnar harder than ever, the industry and their market departments are pushing the stoke into new territories. They've come to realize you can't change one thing without changing the other. If you're going to move away from the standard Minion pattern that has come to define the sport of mountainbiking and child'ren's schoolbags, you've got to change everything that goes with it. Why not go against the grain? As everyone seems to be going wider and wider, we've chose to go the opposite route. Find the absolute limit and then go beyond that. This is progression people. This is what we ended up with. Thank you. But we won't stop here, oh no. Now that we've dabbled in a bit of topology, there is no stopping us. Does a wheel still need to be round? "Make it square" I hear you say. Ha, such nonsense. We're currently experimenting with the Möbius strip. Are you riding over the trail or is the trail becoming part of you? Tire pressure relative to the ambient pressure. What if there is no difference between in and out and overpressure can become as low as 0 Pascal (we've gone metric, sorry)? Fear for punctures will be a thing of the past as the tire will reinflate right through the puncture. And if you happen to be running rim brakes, we can arrange a stealth routing. How far you can ride will no longer be limited by your imagination or fitness (or combination of the two) but merely by the length of your brake cable.

I hear you moan but have no fear, we won't introduce any new standards. Hand in your bike at your lbs and we'll do the necessary modifications.

TL;DR: progressivegnarstoke
  • + 0
 Hey @rocky-mtn-gman - look! @vinay went existential.

No really. Moebius strip for tyre, that was brilliant. I think people riding hardcore progressive hardtails should get 2 sided tyres. Minion DHF for park and Ikon for pumptrack/dirt. you just turn them inside out depending on the need. You save money and get adiditional puncture resistance.
  • + 5
 Here’s an idea: let’s take meatiest side knobs of the minion and just use only them, then cut a piece in the middle so that nobody can notice... it will result in a tyre with no spine which will create fkd up rolling resistance, the tyre will actually roll faster when leaned over than when the bike rides straight. Nobody has done that before!!! Initial lean will feel weird too. The final touch will be lack of channel between side knobs and center knobs so the meaty knobs won’t be able to dig in properly and break away will be unpredictable. Oh wait... there are no center knobs!

Sorry this tyre went full minion. Even minion doesn’t go full minion. Never go full minion.

Waki tyre roast says congratultaions Tioga, you get.... ZEEEROOOO!!!
  • + 1
 they article never mention tire with or even what size of rim works better. If the tire is really flat,while braking those knobs are further away each other so they can track better. I think it is not a bad idea. My only concern about this design,is that the bike would feel lower front end compared to other tires. To me this tire is design for the wider and wider rim era.
  • + 3
 Huh. Might actually work. One reason I don't ride Minions is they have an odd transition (at least for my riding style) where they seem to get vague until you lay them over more. I like something with knobs where they don't put knobs. OK, that sounded funny. The Rekons work better for me. I'm just not sure how these would feel in a straight line. We shall wait for the review.
  • + 3
 Wasn't that GM's thing with the Assegai? Get rid of the vagueness of the Minion when transitioning?
  • + 1
 @revolution-coaching: was thinking the same. also makes sense when you look at the patterns.
  • + 2
 If it's a fresh tire with a good size carcass I don't care who makes it I just ride . Maybe complaining about the tire is just a way of blaming something other than less than great handling skills on a bike. No knobs in the middle is truly different. I am curious about how these perform. But if I can find Minnions , Mary's, or butchers in 26 for cheap I snatch em up.
  • + 1
 I run Maxxis and I like them. I haven’t tried Michelin yet. I’ve been very impressed with the Conti baron on my front and mountain king on the rear. Excellent combination. IMHO though the most underrated tire has got to be the Hutchinson Toro. It’s really a do it all tire.
  • + 4
 Looks like a terrible tire for braking. Cornering, sure. But man that'll be scary when you hit the binders!
  • + 3
 Why do you say that? Because there's a fairly large gap in the center? The knobs themselves look good for braking.
  • + 2
 Uhm... maybe that's why the model number is 22, as in "catch 22" Big Grin

In all seriousness, I imagine that with lower pressure, the two close-to-central rows of knobs would make contact with the dirt. Would really be interesting to have a scientifically-based tire comparison, where we can quantify attributes like braking, cornering, traction, etc...
  • + 1
 I’m with you. With less “frontal area” if you will - tread blocks perpendicular to the trail - that means to me that there is less tire material available for braking.

Also I’d be hesitant about puncture resistance if there is significantly less material down the center of the tire.

But step out from behind my keyboard, shave my neckbeard, and give em a go to see if my opinion holds any water.
  • + 3
 @deadflat: Even with higher pressure what you stated is true. It's called a contact patch, not a contact knob.
  • + 2
 It's gotta make a difference surely ?

The best DH tyre I ever used regarding great braking traction is the DHR2, and that tyre has massive, paddle like centre knobs, this is the opposite.
  • + 2
 @bigburd: I also like the HR 2 for the rear. Doesn't seem to wear as quick as the dhr2.
  • + 1
 Braking power is still up in the air, but two knobs will be contacting the ground so they may stop well. I really want to see the pro shakedown review.
  • + 1
 @sngltrkmnd: Sometimes it is not the contact area but the amount of force on that contact area to dig in and stop. It may stop well. We will see.
  • + 2
 Vampire tooth pattern, right on time for Halloween! This will probably end up being a fun, niche tire... the wide center gap might work well in moderate goop. Looking forward to a full review.
  • + 1
 I broke a seat rail on a Tioga Undercover Stratum, which, for me, is a wonderfully comfortable saddle. Kai at Tioga USA sent me a new one. Great customer service. If Tioga produces a set of tires that works with my style, I'm in.
  • + 1
 To be fair, they have actually been doing some variation of this tread pattern for some time now. It was previously called Glide, and a few other sites have taken notice way before PB discovered them. For instance, bikerumor.com/2018/07/09/review-tioga-glide-g3-mountain-bike-tires-make-drifting-fun-again
  • + 2
 "Yo Dawg... I heard you like cornering knobs, so I put cornering knobs next to your cornering knobs." - tire manufacturer desperately seeking to stand out.

Braking will be... weird.
  • + 2
 Does it come in plus widths? Like a full inch of knob-less space in the middle, like your uncle who's holding on to the last bit of hair on the side of his head.
  • + 2
 Most Minion designs are simply dirt bike designs from as long as 30 yrs ago- because they work. Construction and rubber compounds are a big factor between the Mfg's.
  • + 4
 Should be called Farmer John's Great Grandad.( One for the older crew)
  • + 1
 It will be interesting to see the pro reviews when it get put through the paces. The braking power is the most concerning but it may stop well if you have two rows of knobs contacting the ground at the same time.
  • + 2
 Surprised no one has ripped off a new school nevegal. That tire was brilliant. Even wtb knocked Their own Timberwolf for the new treads.
  • + 0
 hmmm I know I will get lots of thumbs down....but the use of the word psycho is not really used these days as it gives a bad impression because of the stigma it causes. I know i'm talking from a Mental Health point of view. Prefer Michelin tyres anyhow....
  • + 16
 "You shouldn't call a psychopath a psychopath, it upsets them"
  • + 1
 I'm gonna give you a thumbs up, even though I don't agree, I'm a psycho like that.
  • + 1
 @AyJayDoubleyou: Killing Eve ref. I salute you fine sir
  • - 1
 I'm offended!!! Your a rascist!! Your speech should be illegal! Sorry, I dressed as a sjw millennial for halloween. Never got any candy, just doors slammed in my face.
  • + 9
 Man, you're really not gonna like the new Schwalbe Retard.
  • + 1
 @toast2266: Dude! Comment of the day!
  • + 1
 "Lighten up Francis."
  • + 1
 Psychopathy isn't in the DSM-V so I'm not sure what you are talking about. Those characteristics get lumped under Antisocial Personality Disorder mostly now. I do agree that this is 2018 and no one in any health circumstance deserves to be stigmatized by an association with Tioga tires
  • + 1
 Tioga are going to re-release an old favourite with an updated name - the Tioga Multicultural Tigers.
  • + 4
 If it's $60 or less, I'll take the risk.
  • + 2
 Team player right here.
  • + 1
 dont like it, no braking bars, wide wiggly giggly space in the middle just begging for rock punctures. I'll keep my Minion thanks.
  • + 1
 I'm just here waiting for people to realize that the Magic Mary has the grippiest tread pattern due to the square knobs which bite in all directions at the sime time.
  • + 2
 No straight line gap at any angle makes it less likely to lose it on wet roots and such.
  • + 1
 Have a look at the school be Fat Albert 27.5. Same thing, not as square on the inner knobs, but excellent cornering and direction change grip!
  • + 3
 It actually looks like a seesion
  • + 1
 Does it have space for a properly sized water bottle in between those center knobs?
  • + 3
 I like the theory, can't wait for a review.
  • + 1
 That no one compared it to a Michelin tire must point to Much not being very popular
  • + 1
 Well it takes Cameron 3 years to test a prototype of the Wild Zink'r III and only Sam Hill gets the DH22, yeah no one's buying them cuz you cannot.
  • + 1
 Cannondale has this tire stock on every one of their bikes, and has been doing so for years...
  • + 1
 Wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole based on the rest of the shit products coming out of the Taipei Show.
  • + 2
 More than 100 comments on a Tioga tyre... Winter's coming
  • + 3
 spooky
  • + 2
 wait wait wait what!? Tioga are still in business?
  • + 1
 What’s the lightest tire for enduro? Trying to find light tires grippy enough for the hardpacked trails here in SoCal
  • + 1
 Ardent Race Exo
  • + 3
 Bontrager ses are pretty light for what they are
  • + 1
 @hmstuna: +1 for Bontys but the initial tubeless setup is hell.
  • + 2
 They look worn out from factory but maybe it's the macro lense or angle.
  • + 1
 Looks exactly like some shit Tioga would spit out tho.

Do you even drift bro?

All the time bro but never when cornering
  • + 2
 The 1990's have been on the phone. They say they want their Psycho II back
  • + 1
 Just make me a 27.5x2.6" Comp III Tioga and I would buy it immediately
  • + 1
 Catching up to 25 year old tech on mx front tires....
  • + 1
 I'm going to take a stab at it will get a lot of punctures...
  • + 1
 there will be no "Dropping Anchor" with this tire.
  • + 1
 Tire looks like an April fool's joke to me.
  • + 1
 slicks work pretty good on rocks
  • + 1
 Not to be confused with the Michelin 'DH 22'
  • + 1
 They should have named it, "Fangs"
  • + 1
 I miss the WHITE TIGERRR
  • + 2
 Just looked at the pattern. Looks pretty bad ass actually.
  • + 1
 I wear tires out
  • + 1
 nice
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