First Look: Trek's New 2019 Remedy

Aug 2, 2018 at 20:37
by Mike Levy  






Trek's Remedy platform has gone through a handful of iterations since it was introduced back in 2008, but it's always been their ready-for-anything all-mountain machine with enough travel to get you out of trouble but not enough to keep you from wanting to pedal it up the side of a mountain. For 2019, Trek is introducing an entirely new Remedy frame that, while looking a lot like its predecessor, sports some noteworthy changes, especially in the geometry and suspension departments.

First things first: rear wheel travel is still 150mm, there's 160mm on tap up front, and it's rolling on 27.5'' wheels with high-volume 2.6'' wide rubber straight from Trek. There's enough room for a 2.8'' wide tire out back, too, but if 29ers are your thing, you'll have to look at the Slash as they're not going to go on the Remedy.
2019 Remedy

Intended use: all-mountain / enduro
Travel: 150mm
Fork travel: 160mm
Wheel size: 27.5''
Frame construction: carbon fiber or aluminum
Head angle: 65.5 or 66-degrees
Reach: 455 - 461 (19.5'')
Sizes: 15.5, 17.5, 18.5, 19.5, and 21.5''
Weight: 28lb 15oz (9.9 model, as pictured w/o pedals)
MSRP: $3,299 USD - $6,999 USD
More info: www.trekbikes.com

There are five Remedy models to pick from, with the top-tier 9.9 model shown here going for $6,999 USD. The other two carbon models, the 9.8 and 9.7, cost $5,499 and $3,999. If aluminum is in your future, you can choose between the $3,799 Remedy 8 or the Remedy 7 for $3,299 USD.


Trek. Photo by Margus Riga


Trek has long used their Active Braking Pivot, four-bar layout, and it's what you'll find employed on all of their high-end full-suspension bikes from the Session downhill sled to their Top Fuel cross-country racer. It's also what you'll find on the back of the 2019 Remedy but with a twist. Gone is the Full Floater design that saw the shock's lower mount sit on an extension of the chainstays rather than the front triangle.

Instead, Trek has gone back to a more traditional solid lower mount for the 2019 Remedy after many years of extolling the virtues of the Full Floater setup.


Trek. Photo by Margus Riga
Trek. Photo by Margus Riga


So, what gives with ditching the Full Floater? Shock technology, apparently, which has gotten much better over the years, especially when it comes to air springs. ''More responsive dampers, along with more refined air springs like DebonAir, offer the tuning ability and performance benefits our engineers originally sought to achieve with Full Floater,'' Trek said of their move away from the floating shock layout.

Their reasoning comes down to rigidity: ''The fixed mount opens up the lower frame area, giving us more opportunity to design a stronger, stiffer frame and chainstays. This also gives us more flexibility to accommodate larger, more capable shocks. All of these effects are experienced most dramatically on long travel bikes, like Remedy and Slash.'' Does it make a difference? I've got a 2019 Remedy 9.9 in my stable right now, and have years of experience on previous iterations of the bike, so I'll be able to find out soon.


Trek. Photo by Margus Riga
Trek. Photo by Margus Riga


Trek is also employing the RE:aktiv valve, as well as a thru-shaft shock design that ditches the internal floating piston to lower friction. I won't add extra words about either, but Mike Kazimer covered the thru-shaft design, albeit on a Fox shock, awhile back. Check that out to learn more.


Trek. Photo by Margus Riga


A bike can't be new if it's not stiffer and lighter, so the new Remedy is stiffer and lighter, of course. Trek isn't making any wild claims, however, with a 5-percent gain in rigidity and 100-grams shaved from the frame compared to the 2017 version. Small beans, really, but all the beans add up over time, and let's not forget that the beans have been adding up since 2008 when the Remedy was first introduced as a 150mm, 26'' wheeled, alloy-framed all-mountain bike. I smell an article idea: 2008 Remedy versus the 2019 Remedy - What do the beans do?

With the wheel size and travel staying the same for 2019, The biggest change has to be geometry, and Trek had revised it yet again to keep the Remedy in-line with what we expect from a 150mm-travel bike. In 2017, the Remedy was rocking a 66-degree front end (in the slackest setting) and it had a reach of 447mm to 458mm for the 19.5'' frame. The new Remedy goes even slacker, with a 65.5-degree head angle, a 1-degree steeper seat angle, and the reach stays basically the same.


Trek


Riders can also tinker with the geo by flipping the Mino Link pivot hardware around (they hold the rocker arm to the seatstays) to steepen the bike by 0.5-degree and lift the bottom bracket from 349mm to 356mm.

Other things... You can go as big as a 36-tooth 'ring, and as small as a 180mm rotor out back via a post mount. There are a few threaded holes on the underside of the top tube that are designed to work with Wolf Tooth's B-Rad tool kit system, too, so you won't need to stuff your pockets or wear a backpack if you're not into that.


Trek. Photo by Margus Riga
Trek. Photo by Margus Riga


There is something else to note as well, with Trek not doing any women-specific models of the Remedy. I'll give the floor to them on that one: ''Market research and rider feedback has indicated that aggressive female riders want the same geometry and performance as the main line. We’ve also found that, while many female riders love our “women’s” colorways, just as many prefer the main line paint colors. Rather than offering separate “women’s” colorways, we’re giving ALL riders more selection by offering every model in two colors to suit a variety of tastes, regardless of gender. We’ve also improved the fit of the smallest 15.5” size so it works for more riders.''


337 Comments

  • + 263
 Calling all trek haters, calling all trek haters, a nice looking new bike has just dropped, please report to comment section, Thats a final call for all trek haters, please report with your keyboards and bashing tool to the comment section immediately
  • + 41
 Meh, looks like a Session.
  • + 12
 I remember back in 2012 when I was all fired up to buy a ‘13 Remedy. I’d read all the marketing about how awesome the DRCV fork was. Good thing I tested one - rode like a big heavy squishy turd. Looks like they’re up to it again with the special shock in this one. Maybe it’s good though, but I think I’ll hold on to my belligerent skepticism about them.
  • + 14
 BB too high
  • + 3
 @Mojo348: Hah, exact same thing happened to me! Same year! What a disappointment!
  • + 36
 Top spec is $9200 with house brand components!? I'll take two similarly spec'd Canyons, Commencals, YTs or Diamondbacks instead please. Or a Kona, Transition, Norco or Intense and use the remaining couple of grand to bling it out.
  • + 67
 Apologies it's 9200 CAD and 6999 USD. *Takes a lap*
  • + 14
 Why no effective STA?
  • + 8
 Pretty sure that's a Trek
  • - 10
flag goflowz (Aug 23, 2018 at 10:05) (Below Threshold)
 Full Floater = Full Poser
  • + 60
 I wanted to get into Trek haters party but got blocked by a knock.
  • + 60
 No high pivot, no idler, no desert tan color. What's up with Trek.
  • + 72
 @RRMonster: Bontrager components beat the hell out of what is spec'd on the same level YT or Canyon. Bontrager shouldn't even be looked at as an "in house" brand.
  • + 49
 @Nathan6209: I am not a Trek guy, but have to agree. Bontrager 'in-house' components are a level or two up compared to most other brands in-house stuff.
  • + 27
 @Nathan6209: Exactly. Another website claimed the Bontrager wheels on this bike were some of the best that he's ever ridden. Definitely don't discount Bontrager equipment simply because they are owned by Trek. If they deliver quality and a legit riding experience, then why not?
  • + 13
 @Nathan6209: Yeah, I hate all that RaceFace stuff on my YT.
  • - 2
 @Nathan6209: Excuse me? Please check that "same level YT or Canyon" (or Diamondback, Commencal, GG, Bird, whatever, pick your company) before running your mouth and dissing them.
  • + 4
 Unrideable
  • + 3
 @Mojo348: you sound like one of the Trek haters called upon in the first comment!
  • + 8
 @bohns1: answering the call!
  • + 2
 @RRMonster: Bike Rack. 1000$ for a very nice bike rack that will carry both your new bikes and four of your friends bikes to boot!
  • + 1
 @ka-brap: because there's Renthal, DT-Swiss, e-thirteen, Sram and Fox
  • + 3
 @boydasilva: How did you arrive at that conclusion?. Have you actually ridden this bike?.
  • + 0
 @mtbikeaddict: Damn, upvoted you when I should have continued to bury you.
  • + 23
 @Nathan6209: LOL, what is you people's problem? I don't have anything against Trek or any other company... I'm just stating the fact that the Strive CF 9.0 Team, Spectral CF 9.0 LTD, top level Jeffsy/Capra, Custom Studio Release 5c, Mission Pro, Meta whatever, or a custom Guerrilla Gravity or Bird gives you comparable or better components for comparable or better prices. The Spectral costs the same, everything else I checked costs less... some, such as the Strive, almost 2k less. Once again, not bashing. I don't care who rides what. But saying that Bontrager "beats the hell out of" everything else is, to put it mildly, a little over the top, especially when you offer nothing to substantiate that claim. That's all I was doing... offering solid researched proof.
  • + 5
 @mtbikeaddict: we get it. You're not a dentist
  • + 4
 Looks like a Kona
  • + 5
 @mtbikeaddict: You people!? Racist
  • + 3
 @Mntneer: Don't get all whiny... I didn't start this.
  • + 0
 @Mojo348: Always some one mad!
  • + 6
 Pretty sexy ride at 28 lbs and almost all black, might have to throw a pike on there to complete the stealth opps machine.
  • - 7
flag drivereight (Aug 23, 2018 at 15:30) (Below Threshold)
 I call BS! Bait and switch pricing with cheap components!
  • - 3
 yesss . SANTA CRUZ 4 LIFE
  • + 3
 If you search for 'Trek' on eBay, 'Star Trek' will appear on list more.
  • + 5
 @Mojo348:
Trek have been using reaktiv with thru shaft for a couple of years now. Some people like it, others don't. I like mine
  • + 9
 There is not such a thing as “trek hater”. You are confusing with another brand. They do not sue mom and pops store, they do not force stores to buy 200+k of their crap, they do not hide their pro bikes when the frames crack or blame “mechanics”, they do not take other people designs (ritchey mountain bikes, serotta etc etc), carbon copy it, and called it their “innovation”... etc etc etc
  • - 1
 Looks like my Kona Process that looks like a session. Lol
  • + 8
 @Mojo348: The Thru-Shaft shocks are FABULOUS, but only when they're working properly. They sorted out the early production issues and I have put about 50 hours on my most recent replacement with no issues. Also, the Reaktiv is the real deal. It helps that local shops (or moderately handy home mechs) can rebuild the shocks.
  • - 2
 @IluvRIDING: looks like a Kona Process
  • - 3
 @RedRedRe: they stole abp from DW.
  • + 6
 @hamncheez: IMO pedal strikes due to low bb's suck...but to each their own. Low bb's are nice on groomed flow trails devoid of rocks I suppose.
  • + 1
 that's like some PURGE announcement.
  • + 2
 @bman33:
@bman33:
You obviously haven't yet experienced their dropper post
  • + 3
 @YoKev: No, I am Fox Transfer now (after a few KS/Reverb issues). Be tough for me to try anything else. Big Grin
  • + 24
 Well, as someone who actually owns a 2019 Remedy ( 8 ) and has been mountain biking since 1987 I have to say that I love it. Sure I upgraded the brakes, added a carbon bar and added the freehub pawls to change it to 108 POE but otherwise it's pretty stock. First ride was in the Garbo zone in Whistler Bike Park and it was a whole load of fun. So people can bang on about BB heights from their couches but ultimately it doesn't mean shit compared to actually riding the bike Wink
  • + 18
 I have an '18 Remedy 9.9 and it has been the single best, most reliable bike I've ever owned. Ridiculously light and still stiff as my DH. If you aren't a fan of Knock Block I suggest you give it a go. It's saved me more than a couple times when hitting full lock in blown out corners. I'm not sure I could go back after having it. It's just like having a dual crown when your front end swaps. Also, Bontrager wheels have come a loooooong ways. Aluminum Rhythm Elites have required zero maintenance and still remain true through two years of serious abuse. I ditched the bars because I didn't like the bend but that's about all I've changed. Keyboard warriors need to go ride one and quit bitching.
  • + 9
 @ka-brap: I've been trying to kill my Aluminum Bontrager's so I can buy the carbon set and I can't break them. They are unbelievable. I will buy them again regardless of what brand frame I ride next season.
  • + 1
 @Nathan6209: except the wheels, I have a remedy and looking forward to new wheels, but getting rid of the reactiv shock was a bigger priority. wheels next
  • + 12
 How can you hate Trek? Trek has always produced solid value for the specs, and they've ramped up their game over the last couple of years. The Remedy 9.7 carbon spec is slick for under 4K. Lifetime frame warranty, killer LBS and manufacturer support network. Bontrager parts and apparel have been silent assassins for years now. I've never viewed Trek as some flashy corporate brand - I mean have you BEEN to Waterloo? Their entire existence feels so much less pretentious than other flashy brands - hardworking small town Sconnie company trying their damnest to innovate and keeping sourcing, production and jobs in their own country at a reasonable cost. I think they're doing a bang up job, and all the haters wishing ill will on bike industry people just trying to do their best is pure nonsense.

www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-bikes/remedy/remedy-9-7/p/24505
www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/story/treks_carbon_story
  • + 2
 Im at work right now. Got me bashing tool at home. ill join later okay?
  • + 2
 @hamncheez: Not at all...if you have to do some pedal strokes...
  • - 1
 @motard5: how can you hate Trek? firstly but not exclusively, one word for you: Boost.
Then, amazing marketing bollocks like their straight downtube story, then 29+ WTF, Penskey shmenskey dampers, trunnion metric bollocks. Pressfit for such simple frame design, hello?

But I have a few reasons to love Trek - their store and service in Gothenburg is awesome, Bontrager tyres are as good as Maxxis and 30% cheaper, their Down Country line is best in business, then Emily Batty... it evens out a bit.
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: You had me at "Emily Batty".
  • + 2
 @mtbikeaddict: Solid Opinion, your shouting about spec and talking like Bontrager is some normal in-house brand compared consumer direct spec being "better". Just making a call from my position where I have ridden and tested pretty much everything out there. Bontrager gets bashed for no reason, and I guess personally, I like to see the underdog get a chance. When you did into the details every company is cutting a cost or corner somewhere.
  • + 2
 @zrider79: I've thrown Bonty rims down all manner of chutes and washouts that eat rims for breakfast, carbon and alloy have been solid. Compared to other brands I've run their carbon is equal to Envy and their alloy is nearly as strong as Stan's rims I used to run. I think I'm personally a bigger fan of Bonty after I met their wheel PM last fall. Dude's a real rider, absolutely slays, a former engineer, and he gets what we are looking for. I think good things to come from these guys.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: All of that reason you just listed...I actually think are awesome. How do we inhabit the same planet? Are you the Ying to my Yang?
  • + 1
 @wallheater: You pretty much nailed everything that I want to do if I get a Remedy 8... Been looking at the Slash 8, but the nicer fork damper on the Remedy is winning me over... Plus, I've been wanting to spend some time on the smaller wheels for a change of pace...
  • - 3
 No one ever said they made bad looking bikes. They just make shitty riding bikes
  • + 1
 @RedRedRe: haha whatever brand could you be referring to?
  • + 1
 @RedRedRe: Yeah cause like loading up your IBD's with inventory that they can't sell year after year, after year while extending credit lines that you know they can't pay and then forcing a buy out in return for the debt owed on your inventory is a real friendly business strategy...
  • + 2
 @Nathan6209: for the same money you buy the top level bike from those brands including top level brand components. Although I agree that having Bontrager components is usually not a negative.
  • + 2
 @Nathan6209: You have a point, but @Mac1987 perfectly summed up what I'm trying to say. As I have mentioned, I'm not trying to bash Trek. I'm not trying to say that Bontrager is cheap and inferior in every way. I am simply saying that for similar or less cost, other brands have ENVE, DT Swiss, Renthal, Rockshox RCT3/RC2, Fox Factory Grip2, Mavic Deemax Pro, Stans, XO1/XX1, Code RSC, whatever else etc. take your pick. Make of that what you will. I don't care... a lot is just personal preference... people ride to have fun. There's lots of options. My point is simply that while Bontrager doesn't suck, neither do the competition's choices.
  • + 0
 It's the shops own damn fault for taking too much inventory. Not the bike company. If you can't sell it don't take it. just because a company is pushy doesn't mean they suck they know they make the best bikes so that's why @chrischapman:
  • + 1
 @freeridejerk888: “If you ain’t got the clientele say hell no,
Cuz they goin’ want their money rain sleet hail snow!”
  • + 1
 Cant do X-Ups.
  • + 2
 @Nathan6209: Trek says "best in class" about all their products. Some drink the Cool aid, I prefer tequila.
  • + 1
 @re-ride66: I just can't get behind trek and there brand. Maybe it's our local douchey race team that uses them or the equally as douchey shop that sells them. Either way it's just not for me
  • + 1
 @freeridejerk888: it’s a huge part of the experience. Trek Store in my town is awesome. So are guys and gals selling Konas, Mondrakers and Specializeds. But there’s some beef to be had with other shops. And the way they are puts me off the brands they sell directly. Same way if I was after a stupid long bike I’d go for Sick. Wouldn’t pee on Pole even if they were on fire.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Words to live by don't pee on a pole in the wind.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns:
The buying experience definitely makes a big difference. I work for a big store that sells Trek amongst other large brands, I like to think we're a friendly bunch, which helps. There's definitely a reason why most of the bikes that leave our store are Trek though... A lot of our customers come to us having had poor experiences at other stores, and depending what the customer values, it almost doesn't matter what the bike is, it's how you sell it. Treks are easy to sell because they look great, ride great and are great value.
  • + 164
 took me 2 flushes to get rid of my full floater
  • + 5
 Best comment on here!
  • + 8
 Had the same problem with my Kona Coiler
  • + 1
 Double flusher, that's pretty impressive lol.
  • + 7
 Must’ve been a long session on the podium
  • + 2
 couldn't get rid of my stinky air, but that was back in the day...
  • + 78
 Now I know nobody except for you and me get suckered in to paying full retail for a Trek, but these things are not a good value at all.

5300$ for carbon with NX (!) and a whole bunch of Bontrager parts is garbage. Generic dropper, low lever brakes. What a joke.

The 4200$ has low end suspension, doesnt even come set up tubeless and somehow has even more low end bontrager stuff on it.

And they wonder why people buy Commencal’s.

Ebikes aren’t going to save you Trek. People aren’t going to get in to the sport at these prices. And on the top end... if you think I’m laying 11 grand for a Session 29 you are on crack.

The next economic crash is going to annihilate the bike industry.
  • + 57
 Have you seen any other companies’ 2019 pricing? It’s nuts how far up NX and second tired suspension has migrated up the product lines. Sad times.
  • + 5
 Second tier*
  • + 29
 Are you looking at the right bike? Trek.com shows Remedy 9.8 for $5500.00 USD for Carbon wheels / bar, and GX. This actually feels good for retail with LBS benefits.

On a different note: this still has PRESS FIT.
  • + 19
 Not disagreeing.. as I think bike prices are absurd... but where are you finding those models? On Trek's site, for the 2019's, there are no $5300 or $4200 bikes.

The $5500 model has a Lyrik RCT3, carbon rims, full GX, Guide RS and Bontrager cockpit. Not a great value, but not the worst I've seen.

SC Bronson $5200 has Performance/super delux, alu rims, full GX, Code R, mixed cockpit.

Giant is even worse. $5000 you get full Performance, Guide T (whatever that is), alu rims and FULL OEM GIANT cockpit. Ugh.

Looking on some other sites. The standard for the $5k price range is Performance suspension, GX, bottom-tier brakes, alu rims. No carbon other than frame. Sad.

My next bike will be a Commencal or YT, without doubt. People should stop paying these prices.
  • + 10
 Which is why I was impressed the other day with Rocky Mountain's release of their 2019 Thunderbolt. They seem to taking the threat of direct bike seriously. With options from a $1900 alu up to a $5800 carbon... all with pretty logical spec. Not really the same bike... but Rocky seems to be counting their pennies carefully and if they continue to update their 2019 line similarly... they're going to have a good time.
  • + 8
 I'm a Trek fanboy to the core - but I agree. They are awfully pricey. I always tell myself that my next bike won't be a Trek, but then I find a deal and put the money down.
  • + 1
 Im seeing a $4700(CAD) remedy 8 with a Lyrik and GX drivetrain, seems pretty good??? EDIT: I was looking at the alloy
  • + 11
 @griffsterb:

Or pick up a GG Smash or Knolly Fugitive LT frame (or Shredd Dogg / Endorphin) for a little over $2k and go build your own damn bike around it for well under $5k that's hand selected by you and supporting a smaller company that has a clue.

Once we reach the tipping point the big brands are going to have to rethink things. The smaller guys are making bikes that're as good and with a better consumer experience. And like you said there's the whole direct route also.

Updated Remedy? Meh.
  • + 5
 @griffsterb: This exactly. I have been riding a 2014 Remedy for the past four years and although I like it, I demo'd a 2018 Remedy and a YT Jeffsy and the YT blew the Remedy away in terms of bike feel, spec, and price.
  • + 5
 @provin1327: Love my Jeffsy. It just destroys anything you give it and asks for more. Is it perfect? No, but for $2k it sure as hell beats the competition.
  • + 7
 Meanwhile the Slash is priced $100-500 more than the Remedy at each level for the same build. 29" wheels can't cost that much more to make - especially since the stand alone wheelsets are priced the same for each wheel size on the same site.
  • + 2
 @jmusuperman: For the 9.7 and 8 Slash has a thru-shaft shock while Remedy doesn't but Slash has a Yari instead of a Lyrik so I don't understand either.
  • + 4
 So I can't get any version of this bike new for under $3000?
  • + 8
 @griffsterb: Or the nicest build Pole has on their Machine and it's still way under what Trek is offering (granted, it's super odd and different, but we are talking top imported Euro design here.) polebicycles.com/machine

That said, I think if new bike money pours into my bank account this year, I think I am still heavily leaning towards a US made Guerrilla Gravity bike. I think they offer quite a bit of value and they have good reviews from Pinkbike and other users who own them.
  • + 8
 You say this but as someone who works at a shop that deals Trek bikes... Their mountain bikes outsell 3 to 1 against the norco mountain bikes we have and within the first 6 months of these new bikes coming out they are nearly sold out in every model other than 9.9s

So you say all this but the bikes are selling... Why would they change if its working?
  • + 0
 Someone at sram told all product managers responsible for oem, its 12 speed eagle, so people will buy it, no matter what. Im not sure that applies.
  • + 1
 @niccolope: Correct. I noticed that the Canyon Lux CF now has NX
  • + 2
 @griffsterb: It's $4400 for a Giant Reign Adv 1, you get DVO, Code R, NX and proper tires. Alloy rims - sure, but DT swiss hubs. Stock bars are always meh - a stem is a stem. That's not bad imo.
  • + 1
 @niccolope: *So many tears
  • + 1
 ya my Giant came tubeless with full SLX
  • + 4
 a brand new bike that just came out isnt good value? no way.
  • + 4
 @griffsterb:
What giant model are you looking at?

New reigns have aluminum rims with DVO in the SX model or carbon in the advanced models. Trance is all carbon starting at around 4k. Giant has some of the cheapest bike builds with carbon rims around and they deal with crash replacement issues very well. You’re also talking about the biggest bike manufacturer in the world that controls the means of production for a ton of other brands, so I wouldn’t “ugh” at OEM level cockpits.

Every Commencal I’ve seen has had issues. Last one had brake lines too short from the factory and they ripped out in a crash and the guy was without the bike for a month dealing with them. I’m not saying they’re all like this, but bikes you get from a shop is buying peace of mind through (usually free) service and an extra level of quality control before the bike hits you. Tons of serious riders lack the ability to reliably work on their bikes and will happily admit that. Whether they want to pay more money up front or save $$ to begin with and pay more for service down the road is up to them.
  • + 2
 @griffsterb: Carbon wheels... with what hubs? Garbage that needs to be relaced to something better?
  • + 3
 @griffsterb: actually Giant Advanced Trance 2 has carbon rims and Guide T brakes for $4200
www.giant-bicycles.com/us/trance-advanced-2-2019
  • + 0
 Sure, maybe the carbon model is not so competitive in terms of value/price, but show me a bike which is cheaper than aluminum Remedy 8, and has a better spec...
  • + 1
 @harveydw09:
OEM hubs on cheaper models that have decent (pawl) internals if slow engagement. DT Swiss internals (star) on the higher end stuff. Admittedly the freehub bodies are a bit soft on their road lineup but that’s a different story. Tubeless setup is easy, just dump and go. Plus they use the lightest tubeless tape around which is worth getting your hands on aftermarket.

Giant knows what they’re doing when they spec and produce a bike. Their wheels have held up better than DT Swiss XM splines/Easton carbon/i9 for XC racing under the same rider, and better than easton and stand for CX under the same rider. I run giant wheels on my BMC road bike since they’re so damn cheap
  • + 1
 @provin1327: their warranty scares me, that's the only thing really holding me back.
  • + 1
 @Clarkeh: Depends on which DT hubs...
  • + 1
 @parkourfan: I'm in agreement with this, which is why I'm on a Trek currently. I've had great service dealing with their HQ, and I have a peace of mind when thinking about the support behind my machine. Some of the other brands, specifically the consumer direct ones, I don't feel as confident about. When I'm riding I want to know I have real people to help me out if things go wrong.
  • + 4
 @Clarkeh: No bike that costs more than 3500$ should have anything NX or SLX on it. Period.
  • + 1
 @wibblywobbly: Yeah good luck with that.
  • + 2
 Nx at least the non eagle stuff is such garbage I still can't believe it's being specced on carbon frames. I might be a Shimano fanboy but the nx I've ridden feels considerably worse than slx in build quality.
  • + 1
 @patricioescobar: Clash is a bike with much more travel, more of a bike park machine, rather than an allrounder.. probably doesn't climb that well. Take that into consideration. Also, you forgot that a non-direct brand's dealers are open for negotiations – I got my Remedy 10% cheaper in pre-order, and I wasn't even pushing.
  • + 27
 I bet half of the people here who are bashing Trek are crossing their fingers right now and hoping their fantasy team will perform well this weekend.☺
  • + 3
 This belongs at the top
  • + 22
 Heck yeah on the colours. I've found I like the color but not the spec on a lot of women's models lately. It's a pretty common complaint at the shop I work at that men's bikes don't get many good colours
  • + 8
 2018 Trek WSD colors were way better than the men's, especially on the Remedy. The 2019 colors are pretty much a mashup of all the trendy things. I miss raw carbon and raw aluminum, but I suppose if you have to paint it, paint it black.
  • + 6
 Yeh, I've never seen a black on black with black bike before.
  • + 62
 If you just keep buying black bikes your wife will never know. That's why every model should be offered in black/black.
  • + 12
 @Ride406orDie: Did we just become best friends?
  • - 13
flag mollow (Aug 23, 2018 at 9:29) (Below Threshold)
 @Ride406orDie: not all of us have stupid wives
  • + 48
 @mollow:
Stupid boy friends then
  • + 8
 Two whole colors per model? WHOA TREK WHOA EASY ON THE OPTIONS
  • + 1
 @racecase: Never goes out of style!
  • + 15
 My real issue with it is the THRU SHAFT rear shocks. The shop I work at has had to send all of them back. They usually leak within the first few rides. Occasionally they are already leaking before they're out of the box. And most frustratingly is how every one which has come back from warranty leaks within weeks also.... This shock technology is not ready for consumers. It will have to be warrantied far too often. And warranty replacements have the same problem. Oh and you are usually stuck with it because of the uncommon shock size. Not cool.
  • + 4
 This has me wondering, how do you tell someone their brand new bike will be in the shop for 2-4 weeks because it needs to have it’s proprietary shock serviced for a proprietary problem?
  • + 7
 @m47h13u: It just sucks. We have to be apologetic and sympathize with them. It also puts the shop out, because we spend a lot of time dealing with it, sitting on hold with SRAM, and then the time to take shocks off and send them off. It doesnt take that long, but it's time not spent making money...As if dealing with brakes that should have been recalled wasnt enough....
  • + 9
 This. Fuck the proprietary shit. Thru Shaft and Knock Block...I'll take the new Stumpy over this any day.
  • + 1
 What is it that's causing these to leak as far as you can tell? Thanks for your comments on this issue!
  • + 6
 @boxxerace: My shocks have leaked oil out of 3 different seals now, 2 near the bottom and just recently out of the rebound/compression knob. Fox X2 is the solution... the X2 is excellent on my Slash and Fox has a kit with the spacers and a Slash specific tune.
  • + 4
 Weird.. I ride with a crew of Trek boys who work at a Trek dealing shop and have only heard of a couple issues of thrushaft shock issues.. And these boys ride hard hard and often (one of them competes in EWS)
  • + 3
 @cdmbmw: If they're pros you don't know what's in the shock or if it's their preference vs other options.
  • + 2
 @davec113: One of them is a pro, the others are very talented riders and bike mechanics. They all work at a Trek distributor and this issue I have never heard of.
  • + 2
 @davec113: Not saying it's not an issue, just stating it's weird I haven't heard of it.
  • + 2
 @boxxerace: They just leak where the thru shaft itself pokes out the bottom. Usually a little puddle will develop below the lower shock mount on the slash's, aka the crud catcher.
  • + 2
 @cdmbmw: the three rules of good business are shut up, shut up and shut up. If these guys work for a Trek dealer, don’t be surprised you haven’t heard about the problem. Kind of like how SRAM silently recalled Guides. We all know about it but there wasn’t an official statement released about it.
  • + 2
 @m47h13u: They are good friends, I know when they have problems with their bikes because...well I always ride with them. One guy had his rear shock warrantied, that's as far as their issues went. And they are always riding, if the shock is always failing...they must keep a lot of spare shocks around.
  • + 2
 @davec113: how do i find the kit for the slash?
  • + 1
 @cdmbmw: don't you hate that? I know whole crews like yours that never had a problem with an avid elixir brake, or never had a problem with a newer shimano brake, whatever IT is it's odd how inconsistent consumer experience can be without being inaccurate. Because I think we all know people that had problems with old avid elixirs.

For instance, around here I can walk into two bike shops, a few hundred yards from each other. In one shop they've never had a problem with Shimano brakes, and it's all they sell. Down the street though, it's like Sram Guide/Level/Code city, they can't even keep spare hoses or pads in stock.

It's just weird, man.
  • + 2
 @kona34: Just ask Fox for the X2 for Trek Slash. You'll also need 2 bolts and nuts, they are the same top and bottom, you need to get them through Trek. Spacers between the shock and frame are the same.
  • + 2
 Apparently you didn’t read the bulletin from SRAM it was a production issue not a technology issue. I put 500 miles on a Fox thrushaft in my EX with no issue. I’ve seen the rockshox with similar performance.

We all now SRAM is notorious for having production issues. But they are also the very best in takin care of the end user. They’ve sent more guide brakes out with no question than I can imagine is profitable. They did the same with the affected thru shaft shocks.

As far as feel for most riders looking for traction they’re amazing. If you want to pop and roll through the park the X2 or even DPX2 is a better option.
  • + 1
 @gatorfireman: X2 has the advantage as far as traction on a Slash... by far imo. Thru-shaft pedals a little better and is lighter, has a nice feel to it on more moderate trails and climbing. It's not bad as far as dh performance but it's no X2. I'd be happy with the thru-shaft shock if it didn't leak oil, but to be honest the air volume is small and it's hard to get the same sag consistently, and rebound is too slow, with wide-open being sort of medium speed. The recommended settings on the X2's rebound are about the same as the thru-shaft at full open. Changing that is $150 + parts... IMO the best option is to make a deal for the X2 with the shop you buy the bike from and keep the Rockshox as a backup and for when the X2 needs service.
  • + 1
 @takeiteasyridehard Excuse my ignorance but I bought a brand new 2017 Remedy 7 about 6 months ago. Will I have the issue you are mentioning? What should I be looking for on the shock?
  • + 1
 @davec113: This is good advice, I have a 19' slash and though I do like the RS thru shaft, I can sort of tell where the performance stops. Planning a switch to a X2 within the next few months. - Especially from a DH guy perspective
  • + 1
 @Tall7kiwi: you should be fine, since 2017 doesnt have the thru shaft shock.
  • + 1
 @Tall7kiwi: No since your shock has neither Reactive nor Thru Shaft you wont have to deal with it! It's just a standard rockshox deluxe
  • + 1
 @davec113: Agree with u I just went from thru shaft to an x2 on my remedy (now I have 156mm of rear travel btw) and the traction improves but the pedal worsens. Also, the rebound damping of that shock is way too slow and it wasn't able to track the terrain as well as the fork does (170 Fox 36).

I'm keeping the original shock for when the X2 needs service as it is not a bad shock by all means
  • + 1
 @takeiteasyridehard: Heard of that on the early versions, never ran across it myself, but I think RS solved the issue with new seals going quite awhile ago.
  • + 1
 @Tall7kiwi: If you haven't had the issue you most likely wont see it. We're talking thousands of shocks out there and I heard only about 1% had the leaking seal issue.
  • + 1
 @gnarnaimo: this kenmore cycles?
  • + 12
 Why does every bike review now have to make a point on whether or not there's a 29er version? It's like reviewing a mid-sized truck and pointing out that if you want a full-sized truck, you'll need to get the full-sized truck model.

"Hey, man. You want to buy some 29er? I'll give you a good deal. Just a little taste..."
  • + 15
 Because many of the same model bikes DO come in 27.5/29" options. If the Tacoma came in full or small sizes, it would be marketed that way and brought up that way in articles.
  • + 3
 Right. This is also because many riders like the idea of experimenting with wheel size. I know riders who got bikes that could run 275" or 29" setups...like the Scott Genius. They swore up and down that they'd never like 29" wheels...well, after borrowing some wheels and a few runs, they quickly went out and bought a 29" pair of wheels, and after a few months the 275" wheelset was for sale. Likewise, I know a guy who bought a bike with 29" wheels and ended up selling them to run 275 wheels again, but he always had issues with pedal strikes. With the developments in flip chips and short chainstays on 29" bikes, there is really no reason more bikes can't allow running but wheelsizes easily.
  • + 4
 @bman33: The Slash pretty much a 29er remedy.....so why even mention that there is no 29er remedy
  • - 3
 @me2menow: Because, it's a Slash, not a Remedy. Yes, they are similar, but they are not the same model. Trek Session comes in two wheel sizes, so does the Commencal DH and Meta bikes, The new GT DH bike can run either size. There are numerous other examples of the same brand and model name in two wheel size options. And more importantly, why would anyone be upset over this?
  • + 4
 @bman33: Pretty much the same damn thing
  • + 1
 Heaps of bikes are compatible with more than one wheel size, that's why.
  • + 1
 @sngltrkmnd: I wouldntn say heaps. Most have pretty different geometries optimized for each size. I'd be skeptical about where compromises have been made for those that can accommodate both 27.5 and 29
  • + 1
 @me2menow: So I ask again, why so upset of a sentence in an article? Yes, they are close. But they are two distinct models in Trek's line up.
  • + 4
 @bman33: I'm not particularly upset, I just think pinkbike and some other bike news mediums have started to push 29 as the defacto choice for all riders. Perhaps not in this article, but the undertone is pervasive. I'll let you know I have a kickass bike in each wheel size btw before I get called a fanboi
  • + 2
 Options are good, you can get the Slash for real racing or taller riders. Personally at 5'9" have always been right in the middle frame size and lean more towards steezin as they call it and jumps so this 27.5 looking sweet to me.
  • + 14
 Smart to ditch the women's specific pandering marketing.
As if all girls like "girly" colorways. Much easier for girls to sell their used bikes when they're gender neutral.
  • + 7
 What does being a gender neutral girl have to do with selling a bike?

-I'll get my coat...
  • + 1
 @Poulsbojohnny: gender neutral bike I imagine
  • + 15
 But will it down country?
  • + 11
 Nope that would be the Fuel EX
  • + 3
 @mollow: And bloody hell does it down country.
  • - 4
flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 23, 2018 at 10:53) (Below Threshold)
 @mollow is right. FuelEX with 170 fork and 2.6 Minions with double down casing is coming. Much more capable than FuelEx yet more efficient than Remedy. Cuz Enduro is hype for dentists and so much awake as fuk feedback to never look back
  • + 7
 @WAKIdesigns: and this bike you describe has the highest BB and slackest seat tube angle in the industry
  • + 0
 @mollow: One of the best down country options going... Just a banger!
  • + 1
 @Coldspringer: Down country is not about making sense... it's about not being Enduro.
  • + 6
 yay more colors without silly gendered nonsense. shredders want good bikes, they don't care if they are marketed to their private bits. ...shortish reach and slack seat angles and kockblok and such ain't doin them favors though...
  • + 3
 This. When my wife got her Giant Stance last year she took one look at the girls model, made a throw up noise, and got the black and red.
  • + 7
 @Poulsbojohnny: lol riiight? and the flipside is in my bike shop days (and current pinkbike comments) there's always guys saying "why can't I get this sick crazy color on an XL bike with a firm tune?" - I distinctly remember the teal remedy WSD from a few years ago got that alot.

even on helmets...a few years ago Giro had some teal helmets in their women's line and TEENAGE BOYS were buying them up faster than the ladies, who usually got a nice matte black. they just peeled the "women's" sticker off.

so yeah basically just give people options and stop assuming who wants what based on their nether regions.
  • + 6
 I have had so much fun on my 2018 Remedy this year. Trek honestly was not on my radar at all when looking into trail bikes. I have been an XC racer for 20 years and wanted a playful, poppy bike. Some test rides on various brands, but the feel of Remedy had the exact feel I was looking for. Having 5 months of riding into the bike, I am shocked at the versatility of the bike. It out climbs my XC racer in tech and has me feel like I am 18 again at the bike park. My XC racer is collecting dust other than a few races, where half way through I wished I had the Remedy to enjoy the descents more. PS Thanks, Squamish for beating the shit out of me.
  • + 5
 So. Much. Hate....bunch of first world f*ckers. Stop your bitching and go ride your bikes.

"BB is too high"

"Full Floater = Full Poser"

"Unrideable"

So quick and easy to judge from a few photos and words...your all a bunch of f*ck heads.
  • + 1
 @NitroDisorder When you're forking out that much of your hard earned cash for something that should cost half the price, I think you're allowed to bitch. Me personally I fixed my trek issues by purchasing a commencal
  • + 7
 @seanrallison: half the price would be awesome. $3500 for full carbon bike, carbon hoops, X01,etc.. and 5lbs lighter than a Commencal. Nice!!
  • + 4
 I honestly think the people who wrote those three comments were just trolling.
  • + 3
 rode the 2017 version once. great bike. good to have a lot of fun with
  • + 7
 I have the 2018 Remedy 8. What a well rounded do it all machine. If you are looking for one bike to take you anywhere uphill or downhill look not further.
  • + 3
 The 2017MY and 2018MY I've ridden were plenty stiff enough. Heaven only knows how much more stiffness we need before it becomes counter productive. Knock Block is a PITA is you decide to change your stem too. It's a good handling bike though but certainly under heavy competition on price, spec and ride. And Trek warranty for me has been outstanding on true warranty items here in Australia.
  • + 2
 Trek has made damn good job speccin their bikes lately. I bought 9.8 Slash in 2017. Now 2019 model has carbon wheels and crancks instead of aluminium for the same price as 2017. They even have answered the need of longer dropper posts for larger sizes. Now only thing they have to do is get rid of Sram brakes.
  • + 5
 The Remedy is an awesome bike, but they lost me at Knock Block. I just replaced my 2016 Remedy with a 2019 Transition Scout.
  • + 6
 Knock block has saved my frame at least 2x in big wrecks.
  • + 1
 @Badnewcastle: I don't get this. How is it that in this day and age that a frame doesn't have clearance to swing the bars past the top tube? I wrecked my YT a while back and the bars did a 180. Not even close to touching the frame.
  • + 2
 @Poulsbojohnny: Straight down tube design change means crowns won't clear.
  • - 11
flag gumbytex (Aug 23, 2018 at 12:16) (Below Threshold)
 Rode a Remedy a couple times, around super techy tight switchbacks I hit the knock block and couldn't make the turn. Super lame.
  • + 4
 @Poulsbojohnny: Straight down tube = stonger/stiffer frame but no clearance for crown.
  • + 7
 @gumbytex: Anything that tight, you might as well endo around or change your approach/departure. Have ridden some techy shit with it and never actually hit the KB while the wheels were turning.
  • + 10
 @Badnewcastle: Same, I have never ever had an issue with knock block getting in my way. Even on the most tight switchbacks my bike could even fit through. If you are hitting your knock block while riding it is a problem with your ability to ride not the bike.
  • + 6
 @Badnewcastle: Not to mention keeps handlebars from taking samples of your stomach during a crash.
  • + 7
 You’ve literally never ridden the bike. If you hit the knockblock you are crashing. Go back to keyboard surfing and daydreaming. @gumbytex:
  • + 1
 @sngltrkmnd: Ah, now I get it. I was thinking top tube. You think they'd address this issue like so many other manufacturers. Seems like the knock block is just an afterthought.
  • + 1
 @gumbytex: why is this downvoted??.
  • + 2
 So it’s basically a Canyon Spectral, but with a proprietary shock and about $1000 more for give/take the same spec? Cool!

Mountain biking seems to be the only tech-driven sport in which tech advances, over time, don’t result in lower prices for consumers. Absolutely ridiculous.

I’m in the market for 2-4 Bikes in the next 12 months. Bike companies can either fix their damn pricing or I’ll just send Canyon all my money.
  • - 2
 Took weeks to find a bike, canyon ended as the best choice everytime.
  • - 1
 @Chapelain: They certainly have it down when it comes to keeping bikes in stock in a variety of sizes, and the bikes are sick. They're doing something right.
  • + 1
 I’m on a 2014 remedy that I put a 150mm 36 on. Other than wishing it was a bit longer it’s still a good bike. As an over 220lb rider most days of the year I’m glad to see the full-floater is gone if it increases the rear ended stiffness a bit. If I remember right stiffness was part of the reason the slash and session dropped the full floater as well. Which begs the question, why have full floater on any of their bikes? Is the full floater lighter (which I don’t buy if the remedy can loose the full floater and lose some grams) If so maybe keep it on the top fuel. But if you are going to have a straight down tube to stiffen the bike
resulting in knockblock headsets why not ditch full floater on everything too? I’d like to test ride this new remedy though and would like to see how it compares to the slash.
  • + 1
 What are you talking about?? Nobody at trek states its their enduro bike. Its an allround long legged trailbike
  • + 1
 Sorry, wrong quote...
  • + 1
 @griffsterb I don't know what giant you looked at but the 2019 trance for five grand comes with. A carbon frame. Carbon wheels. Performance elite suspension by Fox Which is the same as factory without the kashima. Also comes with guide rs brakes and gx eagle drivetrain.
  • + 1
 Why are they speccing a factory 36 fork and a RS super deluxe shock???? Just use a Lyrik because they are connected by the dick to their ReAktiv tech. They just made it look more like an aftermarket slapped together suspension kit. Put a red lyrik on there and it would look so much better.
  • + 7
 Cause it's nowhere close as good? Re:Aktiv does work well FYI
  • + 2
 @mollow: Yeah re aktiv works great. But matching it with a 36 still makes it looks kinda hack. I personally love my lyrik and have had no issues with it. Also love factory 36's I have had those too, but maybe I am just a diva and think it just looks goofy when they are paired on stock bikes.
  • + 9
 Don't like it? Don't buy it.
  • + 4
 @ianswilson815: I'd slap a dpx2 back there way before I'd change the forks. Sure lyriks work well, until you try a 36 grip2
  • + 2
 @mollow: thats what i did on mine.
  • + 0
 It just seems like Trek has been failing for so long on the next fancy-ass proprietary tech b.s. that creates more pain in the ass than solving whatever imaginary problem it's supposed to. And tuned out of the box for a curbside parking lot test by a rider who will never actually need it to perform at a high level. For anyone who fancies this bike just use the stock shock as a backup and throw a Topaz or DPX-2 on it.
  • + 2
 @WasatchEnduro: Every one is saying DPX2, would that be better than the float X2?
  • + 2
 @WasatchEnduro: My stock shock is sitting in a drawer with zero miles on it. LOL
  • + 2
 @WasatchEnduro: At least Specialized realized this.
  • + 0
 @Poulsbojohnny:

indeed. the new stumpy looks like a good step forward even if the geo is still very much trail-oriented. will demo one soon... and that evo is intriguing even if the bb is insanely low.
  • + 2
 @kona34:

who knows.... on a bike like this meant as more of a do-it-all I'd think most riders would be better off with the DPX2..... but if you're gonna ride it like a slash on the other hand...
  • + 1
 Having owned the 2018 Remedy and the 2019 Slash now, they are totally different bikes. My Remedy is very playful, a little harder to climb all day on, and accelerates likes a mad-man. My Slash is more stable and just begs for more speed. I have hucked bigger lines and ripped a lot faster on my Slash. Playtime? Remedy. Need for speed? Slash.
  • + 1
 I second this. I had a '17 Remedy 29 and found it playful and capable though it was a 9.8 with the XT double so climbing was not an issue for me. It was my first 29er and it was eager to go fast, so I quickly began to find the limits of the frame (despite turning 40 during my experience with the bike, I still managed to hammer on it). Replaced the Remedy with an '18 Slash about 4 months ago and agree that it's a faster bike. Stiffer, and more capable in the rough. It's a great bike for the park (been to Whistler a few times this season with it) and it's good as a trail bike here in Bellingham where our singletrack is rowdy.
Lastly, knockblock works great. It invisible until you have a major off. If you're navigating switchbacks that are *that* tight, it sounds like your trails are sh*t and you should take up hiking. haha
  • + 1
 I got excited and angry at the same time since I just got a 2018 Remedy 8 at the end of last year (probably one of the best values out there at the time). Thought I may want to trade up for the new tech. But you have to go to the $5500 9.8 just to get the new thru-shaft, which sounds like it may be more of a problem than it is worth. Outside of that and carbon (which I feel bad abusing), everything is pretty close to the same other than a few minor tweaks. Think I will sit this one out.
  • + 1
 Trek has been one of the popular bike brand out there but just the same with other things, it has pros and cons. Haters gonna hate as they say. Who doesn't want to use Trek here? Are there someone using Morpheus Bike? Please let me know your thoughts. Thank you!
  • + 1
 @mikelevy "I smell an article idea: 2008 Remedy versus the 2019 Remedy - What do the beans do? " as somebody who has that 08 in the shed and can't quite find a reason to sell it I am very interested in the beans.
  • + 2
 I had an '08 Remedy w/coil shock and 170 Lyric, and now an '18 Slash. '08 was really good and lots of fun going dh but a pain to climb and pedal, the Slash is more like a dh bike going down and far better vs the '08 Remedy in climbing and pedaling efficiency. Maybe not as nimble with longer stays and slacker ha, not quite as trail-bike vs the Remedy. I have an extra rear triangle for an og Remedy if you want it, mine was replaced a couple times so I hung onto what I could.
  • + 1
 seems like a yeti SB6 here... 2 colors, raw or turq... no womens specific, pretty similar geo. I like trek, rode them for 20 years back when they had carbon Y-bikes up until the remedy... but then I got a yeti... lol
  • + 1
 Why by this over an IBIS HD4? I think the DWLink stuff on that bike REALLY shines in the longer travel applications as the pedal platform makes the bike able to actually climb somewhat decently.
  • - 1
 Yeah, or the Pivot Mach 6, for that matter. Great pedaling, and no need for the proprietary inertial valve nonsense.
  • + 2
 HA on the 2018 and 2019 appear to be unchanged at 65.5 in low. So the biggest change for 2019 really is getting rid of the full floater.
  • + 0
 I really appreciate when bike companies ADD parts designed to wear out. I'm glad they stiffened the frame up with the straight downtube. I know that literally no one complained the Remedy frame was too flexy, but if Trek says it was, then it was. I'd rather replace knockblock every 2 months than have an unnoticeably flexier frame. Or I could just ride a steel hardtail. Decisions!
  • + 1
 Over 3000 km on my remedy and never replaced the knock block, only cleaned and greased it occasionally along with my headset.
  • - 1
 @cdmbmw: every person I know on a slash, remedy, or fuel has play and for about half of them it's worn to the point the fork crown can contact the downtube. Treks andwer to us was "yup, it's more or less designed to wear out." Unnecessary changes that complicate or add parts that can/will wear out is always poor design.
  • + 6
 @charnek: I ride (and have been for years) with a group of Trek boys and have never seen this. We ride hard and often and yes we crash.
  • + 1
 looks killer. only thing is the aluminum chainstays on the lower level model. would like to see full carbon on all price range bikes. rear shock mount is a little boring. all in all a good looking bike Trek
  • + 1
 ... shout out to all of you with no engineering background that still insist on telling bike companies what they’re doing wrong. You’re truly the all-stars of the bike industry. What ever would they do without you?)
  • + 3
 That’s a good lookin’ bike. Not so sure about the lower shock mount.
  • + 1
 Trek not posting EFSA's is beyond STUPID... looks like a cool bike though. I like how they say "1 degree steeper STA". 1 degree steeper than what...??? Smile
  • + 1
 Coming in 2020, a slightly stiffer, slightly lighter, slightly more slack Remedy with slightly more travel that is slightly darker black.
  • + 0
 Is Trek the only company still making bikes with sub-70 degree seat tube angles? Any thoughts on climbing ability on these bikes vs a lot of newer bikes sporting 75-76 degree st's? Does it really make a difference?
  • + 4
 That's got to be seatpost angle. Geo for 2018 says effective is 74.1 degree. Lots of frames still have relatively slack seatpost angles, which work better for short-legged clipless riders' seated climbing. If someone was clever with trigonometry software, they'd supplement effective toptube length above the plane of the headtube centerline to account for the seatpost angle. But it's easier to make images and videos. Add $3500 for the D850 if you want your Remedy to look just like this one....
  • + 3
 I have a 2018 and it climbs fine...
  • + 2
 My '18 Slash sports a 74.1 STA. Climbs great!
  • + 2
 ST is a degree steeper. Last year was 74.1 so 2019 is 75.1
  • + 2
 Isn't this essentially a Split Pivot suspension platform now that they've ditched the floating shock design?
  • + 1
 I think the same! The new remedy is a Devinci like. Although Devinci working in a progressive geo and design
  • + 2
 By my calculations the head angle stayed thae same... 150 fork= 66 vs a 160 fork at 65.5 is pretty much the same thing.
  • + 1
 2018 remedys all had 160mm forks
  • + 1
 What is going on with the seat tube measurements? The geo lists a 21.5" frame size with a st of 521 mm, why not just follow the normal s-m-l designations...
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  • + 2
 Looks clean and well executed, I would ride one.
  • + 1
 "A bike can't be new if it's not stiffer and lighter, so..." sensible chuckle.
  • + 1
 Geometry is in the database in case you want to compare...
geometrygeeks.bike/bike/trek-remedy-carbon-2019
  • + 1
 Looks like my 2011 fuel ex8 that I just pr'd a bunch of trails on yesterday
  • + 2
 Those 2.6 Bontrager SE Team Issue tires look good!
  • + 1
 Looks like a black turd made of coal. I think the all black looks is starting to get depressing. Hooray color!
  • + 3
 LOOKS LIKE A KONA.
  • + 1
 Does 'STIFFER' really still sell bikes? I understand no-one wants to ride a pool noodle but how stiff is too stiff?
  • + 1
 27.5 wide trail tires > 29er all day. Trek is getting into this game early.
  • + 2
 Good Job Trek, can’t wait to test ride one.
  • - 2
 I have a 2012 Trek Remedy 26" with a 160mm Pike. Everything I could want, minus bigger wheels. Same exact geo as this bike with the longer fork. But why the knock block? If I go down on a trail then the headset is busted, right? Isn't it better to have the bars turn and still be able to ride out? Also, ditch any proprietary shocks that Trek is pushing since they're all terrible, all the way back to 2012 with the DRCV bullshit. Buy some $3 offset bushings to get past the 197mm E2E and get a nice plus shock off Ebay
  • + 1
 If you go down on the trail, Knock Block keeps your frame intact. Headset doesn't automatically fail. I dumped my Slash on my maiden voyage this year and the KB saved my bike. Big crash but no damage, HS did not break. Your bars never need to turn as far as KB will allow.
  • + 2
 I've had several very hard crashes (one at about 50km/h hard onto the front end..and my face), no issue with knock block or headset.
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 If you manage to max out the knock block when you are riding, I imagine something else terrible is happening unrelated to your steering limiter. Knockblock limits less than a bike with a dual crown fork. I don't see folks crashing on their DH bikes or moto's all the time because they cant twirl the bars around when they ride.
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 Pretty bike. Can't afford one.
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 SAY THE WORD! ENDURO! ITS NOT A DIRTY WORD =P
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 Looks like trek are stuck in 2013 with the geo numbers on this one. Cant believe its a 2019 release, looks like such an average bike. & They lean on marketing bullshit and every 3 letter acronym you can think of to sell them. The big manufactures need to start taking a lead from brands like commencal and yt, we want big hitting bikes and 29ers with 170/160mm+ travel, pivot are on to it with the firebird 29. Cant believe they are pushing this as thier main enduro bike, it is so extra medium & looks like its from yesterday.
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 What are you talking about?? Nobody at trek states its their enduro bike. Its an allround long legged trailbike. Not everyone needs loooooooooooong looooooooooow and slaaaaaaaaaaaack...
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flag zyoungson (Aug 24, 2018 at 0:16) (Below Threshold)
 @Foxy87: So where is thier enduro bike then ? and dont tell me its the slash because its just a 29” version of this. the geo numbers are a joke the XL size they have may as well be a large.
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 @zyoungson: its the Slash and no, the geonumbers are not the same. Not everyone is a giant and need XL. Go buy a Geometron then...
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 If I don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it...
umm, I like the paint!
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 It looks like a mountainbike.
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 frame stack is 615 in the XL. too small for me Frown
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 XL in these bikes is like a large in other brands, they need 500mm+ for the large peeps
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 @zyoungson: yep, thats it. they are like adding 2mm for head tube between sizes and +2cm for seat tube. when you try to upsize, you end up with mega high seat tube and like 5-6cm of steering spacer and flexy steerer, not mentioning the look.... and the short reach on XL is another nonsense...
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 Generic Large Mountain bike in black. batch #21345
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 probably best geometry and preforming enduro bike
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 one more identical with... many bikes. This industry lacks of inspiration... Nice artwork though.
  • + 1
 dammit looks like a transition
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 Nah transition has pivot on the chain stay not on the rear axle.
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 @danielwest330: and also threaded bb.......
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 @pargolf8: also transition don't have the straight down tube/ aka stupid knock block
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 In conclusion, it is not a transition.
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 @pargolf8: and also way heavier!
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 2017 trek remedy 9.9 for sale
$2950
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 Talk about poor resale value
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 Why trek factory riders don’t use thru shaft shocks?
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 Haha you are never gonna get the answer you are looking for lol. But lets be real, its a reliabilty thing. The new shocks these bikes come with are fucking brilliant... But they arent any more reliable than a FIAT... Cant risk that on race day... Lol
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 They do.
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 @FisherFreerider: Not sure why your being down voted. Treks EWS boys definitely do use the thru shafts shock
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 @cdmbmw: Aaah not very often if they are. And Katy winton is for sure not and neither is Casey Brown.

Ruaridh was deffinitly not at the early parts of the season, havent seen him on anything but the standard Super Deluxe... Bu. Maune they go back n forth but a lot of photos suggest otherwise.

m.pinkbike.com/photo/16137945
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 Meh it’s just a trek
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 Won’t ever buy a Trek again so long as that c*ck block is still getting in the way of me messing around...
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 Getting in the way of what?
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 All Mountain's not dead!
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 I own a 29er remedy. Like it à lot.
I don t understand why they dont make it anymore. The slash is not designed for climbing, the seatube angle is too slack (I ride size xl)
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 Looks like a Slayer
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 Looks like a Devinci
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 The new GT Force please
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 No Thanks
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 Looks like a remedy
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 it is ...
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 Looks more like a SESSION~
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 Attention Builders: Flipper the Angry Dolphin isnt a cool color anymore. It hasnt been since yeti played it out.
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 I like the way it looks.
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 am I the only one that read 68deg seat angle and went... nope!???
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 Not the effective SA
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 Relax, It’s over 75deg
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 @mikeyin19: as long as you're legs aren't longer than the designed amount sure.. but after that.. you end up putting a lot more weight over the rear wheel.
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 I looks so last year.....
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 Boring
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 LLAS
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 No dw link?
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 Pro fail core comment
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 That knock block is a load of shite
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 Boo! Bring back the Y-Frame!
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 68 degree seat tube angle..common that's not 2019
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 Not the effective SA
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