What Are Your MTB Pet Peeves? - Opinion

May 3, 2018 at 14:49
by Mike Levy  
Mike Levy


Pet peeves can be a bit silly and irrational, can't they?

No one ever tells you that your so-called soulmate is going to be the only human on earth who insists on having pineapple on your pizza. Or those ridiculous 'Baby on Board' stickers that people put up in their car's back window... Congratulations, you made a baby, but no one driving behind you cares that you figured out how your genitals work and managed to reproduce. Yes, I was totally going to merge into you at 120kph, but then I saw your dumb sticker and decided against it.

It's probably not a stretch to assume that everyone has a short list of things that make them want to smash into a car carrying a small child, and I've always found that the more passionate I am about something, the more likely I am to have a pet peeve or three relating to it. I mean, you probably won't get riled up if you don't give a damn, and eating, dogs, and driving are all close to my heart.

And mountain biking, of course.

This sport is literally the best thing that's ever happened to me, no word of a lie, and because I care so much about it, there are definitely a few things that, to use a phrase coined by one of the greatest philosophers of our time, really grinds my gears.


Flats flats and more flats. During practice rider after rider came down the hill at a hair over walking pace the unmistakable thup thup clunk thup of a flat tire clearly evident as they rolled by. Logna Binggeli Holly Feniak Blenki Brendan Fairclough... the list goes on. Not exactly a confidence builder the morning before the first World Cup of the season.
If I was the president of mountain biking, I'd ban flat tires. But I'm not, so I guess we'll have to keep dealing with them. Photo: Colin Meagher

Fixing Flats

The first is an obvious one that I probably share with many of you. If there's one thing that all of us mountain bikers can agree on, it's that flat tires are the worst. Okay, not actually the worst, but it can sure feel like it when you're on a great lap that gets interrupted by a puncture. They're usually easy to sort out, even if you do end up having to put one of those stone-age tubes in, but having to stop and do the repair at all is a sure-fire way to deflate a ride's fun factor. And short of running solid tires, flats are probably never going to go away, regardless of how many silly, overpriced pool noodle inserts are on the market, 1,200-gram tires with moto-worthy casings, or if you completely filled your tires with sealant. Please try the last one and film it for us, though.

Don't get me wrong; I'm the kinda guy who revels in working on his own bike, and I don't shy away from the most involved repairs or tech work, but it's the simple and widely despised flat tire that I'd most like to see disappear. The ridiculous thing is that despite me hating flat tires with the fury of a thousand burning suns, I'll still run lightweight, questionable rubber at questionably low pressures. That might make it my fault...?

Microscopic Bolts

On a similar front, what's with companies thinking it's okay to use a bolt requiring a micro-sized hex key? We're talking about mountain bikes here, not haute couture watches, and I don't think I should ever have to reach for a ridiculously small hex key, especially when the microscopic bolt that I'm using it on has to clamp a cable or shiny, slippery carbon handlebar. But tiny bolts require tiny amounts of torque, you say? Yeah, sure, and in the real world that tiny bolt will likely have to deal with a rounded out tool, someone being clumsy or in a rush, and people simply not taking care.

Shoutout to every dropper post with internal routing that employs a teensy-weensy cable clamp bolt, to the clamp bolts on Pinion's twist shifter, and especially to the M3 hardware on Thomson's otherwise beautiful stems.

And who could forget the reach adjustment screws on those early Hayes brakes? Not only were they the size of a gnat's dick, their tendency to migrate called for the smallest dab of blue thread locker to keep your levers where you want them, and that only increased the chances of it getting stripped by about 300-percent. The result was countless levers that were either too close or too far away from the handlebar. Fixable and annoying.
Thomson Elite X4 35mm-diameter stems
''What could we do to make our stems a little less perfect?''

Wheelsize Wars

Pinkbike's comment section takes a lot of heat from some people, and I can't count the number of conversations I've had with industry-types who don't hesitate to deride what goes on underneath some of the articles. Sure, things can get a bit off the rails now and then, but I'd argue that the propping system, as well as a more informed and invested community, have largely turned what was often a circus into the online cycling community's best group of commenters, trolls included.

You guys have me laughing and learning daily, and it's this interaction, positive or negative, that print can't ever provide - I couldn't imagine writing an article, review, op-ed, or some silly clickbait, and not getting to read the comments below it, shit talk included.

But one thing I can do without is the wheel size hate. I get it, you've decided that a wheel being a certain diameter isn't "cool" or whatever, but you're letting your bad attitude get in the way. Firstly, grown ass men and women pedaling bikes in the forest isn't "cool,'' either, so crawl down off your high horse already and realize that we're all just dorks trying to have a good time. Secondly, you're looking at it all wrong: Wheel size is just another tool that you can use to your advantage, and instead of associating sexual orientation or fashion with the diameter of aluminum or carbon circles, you should be thinking about what size is going to benefit you the most, be it for speed or fun. Instead, save that loathing for motorized "mountain bikes" or for the idiot who thinks calling a bike a "down-country" rig is a good idea. At least he deserves it, unlike 29'' wheels.


Saracen Ross Bell photo
Norco Aurum
Saracen and Norco both have the right idea by offering similar frames that are each designed around either 27.5'' or 29'' wheels.


Mountain biking must be a pretty damn amazing thing if all I'm grumbling about is the odd flat tire, a few tiny bolts, and a bunch of dorks trying to make their case for one wheel size being cooler than another. That's all I can come up with right now, though, probably because I'm busy fixing the torn sidewall of my too-light 29er tire before I drill out that tiny bolt that I stripped because I wasn't paying attention. Wait, maybe this is all my own doing? Anyway, while I'm doing that, you should fill me in on what your mountain bike pet peeves are.


776 Comments

  • + 574
 Throwing garbage in the woods. If someone lined up garbage throwers and kicked them in the genitalia. Hard. That would not be terribly disappointing
  • + 108
 Man, I hate that. I've been on rides where a guy drank a can of Coke, crushed the can, and then threw it off into the trees. Crazy.
  • + 46
 Really just throwing garbage that isnt in a trash can is a peeve. The kicker needs to wear safety toes boots as well, dont want their foot to get sore!
  • + 268
 Along those lines...those dick whistles who use those bags to pick up their dog's poop, and then leave it next to the trail like they're doing everyone a big favor. Grrrrr
  • + 40
 Not just throwing rubbish but two specific versions of it:-
1) the illegal jumps that are super sweet that are litterly (pun!) surrounded in empty crisp bags, energy drinks cans etc. And then the scrufy knob ends mank like f!!k when the land owner flattens them. Wonder why.
2) Going to that really small trail centre (yes Haldon, Im thinking of you) and getting to every crossing and finding disgarded empty lucazade bottles and empty energy gel sachets. It takes less than 50 mins to ride the red AND the blue so WTF!!
  • + 139
 People who leave their dogshit bags next to the trail get a special place in hell within this category
  • + 22
 @bmck: yeah what’s with that! Like dog shit baubles hanging from trees! Good job it’s not in my eyes from the tyre, but still, bloody plastic bags thrown into the woods?! These people should be hung drawn and quartered.
  • + 14
 @ernvil: dick whistle!!!
  • + 6
 @Losifer: =cock suckers. I was trying to be polite Wink
  • + 9
 Another one at Haldon is the amount of people jogging or walking their dog down the trails. @ilovedust:
  • + 4
 Dog bags, no one uses em here...where we live everyone just lets their dogs run anywhere in the woods and scold you for riding a bike. It's ridiculous. It's not unusual for two or three people in my riding circle to get bitten at least once during the season.
  • + 11
 @ernvil: Seriously!? Like what’s the logic in that? Let me put something biodegradable into a non biodegradable container, and I’ll just leave it here! Seriously hate those people too.
  • + 7
 @ilovedust: This. Each time I go Haldon I pick up at least two bits of rubbish. Interrupts my ride but can't stop myself.
  • + 4
 @job-rohns: Then they give you a dirty look for riding too fast down it. There's loads of walking trails there aswell.
  • + 16
 I'd roll the empty energy gels' and shove'em up their urethra
  • + 0
 Make sure this stays at the top!!!!!!!
  • + 5
 @Klainmeister: people in England put their dog crap in a bag, but still leave it on the path.
they should either bag it and take it home...
or don't bag it and leave it.. at least that way there's no plastic
  • + 1
 @bmck: new standards get on my nerves
  • + 1
 Can we add "trail braiders" to the list of "deserves kicking in genitals"?
  • + 1
 @leelau
I went for a hike on fromme last night and you'd be disgusted at the amout of garbage i picked up off of bobsled... People rode by them without a care.
  • + 11
 My bag has a tiny pocket that's sticky as hell as it's only used to carry used energy gels home.
  • + 24
 repeat riders who'll stop while they're riding to ask me while i'm doing trailwork when the next trailwork day is never ever show up for one. i'd rather hear just hear a "thank you" than to have em bs every single time. lol
  • + 27
 People smoking around the trails drives me crazy. Breathing hard already and then smelling/breathing that crap sucks!
  • + 10
 @ernvil: Upvote for "dickwhistle" Can't wait for a time to bust this one out...
  • + 19
 @bmck: They share the space with shitstacks who throw their cigarette butts out the car window or anyehre that isn't a trash can
  • + 34
 My biggest pet peeve in the world is getting high end components, flashy new mtb clothing and 5.10 shoes, and still getting dropped by the guys I ride with. It is seriously fucked up
  • + 10
 @ernvil: How about the maniacal weirdos that seem to believe that a bag of dog crap needs to be hung on tree branches like Christmas ornaments.
  • + 4
 Getting told by peaceniks with dreads to get off the trails; to go die; yelled at by people that ignored you and were hiking TORWARDS you; being told by aforementioned hippies not to litter (with an accompanying glare); realizing I was trying to ride like a yarbo and people were legitimatley upset with my trail behavior.

Honorable mention: realizing you have to poop the second the ride starts/you get in the shuttle/you're on the lift
  • + 3
 @Dethphist: Christ, i'm glad that's not a thing here.
  • + 2
 @mikelevy:
Did you 'ask' him to go retrieve it?
  • + 10
 @YoKev: Yes, and he did.
  • + 20
 @cooperquinn-wy: add to that people who make technical trails easier
  • + 1
 @job-rohns: which isn’t necessarily bad, but then again...

hey at least it’s not like people who go up strictly dh trails...
  • + 1
 Litter and dog shit on the trail
  • - 11
flag dirtvert (May 10, 2018 at 21:47) (Below Threshold)
 And FYI: Orange peels are garbage!
  • + 1
 @ismasan: rolling makes the passage to easy. I'd fold them into rectangular tubes, more corners the better. How can people honestly think it's ok to dump their garbage on the trails.
  • + 2
 @Klainmeister: Thanks for pointing this out, i sometimes feel im the only one annoyed by all the off leash dogs, you Canadians should appreciate people actually keep their dog on a leash if they are picking up the poop...
  • + 1
 @mtbschrader: what are they smoking?
  • + 1
 And then they will never have to use „baby on board“ -stickers aswell.
  • + 4
 @job-rohns: ranted at some dog walkers at lanhydrock once, on the green with my daughter- she is nervous of dogs and even more so when on her bike, we went there specifically for dog free riding...it's becoming hard to find anywhere we can ride dog/stress free.
  • + 21
 Once helped a guy fixing a flat inside the boat, crossing the river, in our daily bike commute;
After we finished the guy simple thrown the old tube into the river... mannnnnnnnnn... took me a lot of self control not to throw him overboard to get his tube!!!!!
  • + 2
 @ernvil: This 1000 times
  • + 2
 @cooperquinn-wy: What’s a ‘trail braider’? Cutting strava lines?
  • + 5
 @ernvil: as a dog owner myself, every time I come across that, I wish I could smack the owner in the head with the bag hard enough that it bursts and smears their pompous face with its contents.
  • + 2
 @Klainmeister: That is just not true Kyle, there are bags full of dookie all over the trails here and its the WORST! Just put a rock on top of it.

But yes, also dogs running free all over the place gets pretty scary.
  • + 1
 Here here
  • + 1
 My conscious environmentally minded self would say litter and plastic bags, my animal brain says a giant load of of fresh giant load of horse shit in the middle of the only decent local run, or having to drive 2 hours and pay to ride anything entertaining and free of horse shit. New Jersey problems I guess.@petehvid:
  • + 1
 @telemarc67: Happy to help Smile
  • + 8
 HORSES RIDING YOUR TRAILS DURING THE WINTER!! It ruins the trail, one of the main trails I’ve ridden is practically ruined because some horse riders don’t have respect for trails.
  • + 7
 @Santamtnbiker: along with the 20lbs of horse shiz they leave on the trails....
  • + 1
 @chize: YES!
  • + 2
 Don't know why people are downvoting this guy! Yes, orange and bananna peels eventually decompose, but it takes months, and in the mean time they are trash lying at the side of the trail. It's cool you like fruit, but unless you own the land, put the peel in your pocket or pack and drop it in your compost pile when you're home.
  • + 1
 @Santamtnbiker: One of our local trails is called "No Horses!" after the hand-painted sign the land owner/trail builder tacked to a tree after some horsey types nearly post-holed it into oblivion.
  • + 2
 @fullbug: Had that one a couple weeks ago. Was on the trail prepping for a build day the next day. Old dude rolls up and monologs for like 5 minutes about "you guys should build this........you guys should build that....you should do it this way.......you should do that." My response: "So, we'll see you out here tomorrow for the build day, right?" His response: "Ohhhhh well, ahhhhhh, I , um, ya know, ahhhh...." Yeah, that's what I thought.
  • + 1
 @ernvil: Preserved for future generations.
  • + 1
 @mtbschrader: you must be able to find a better moan than that ! Lol
  • + 2
 Wrappers, warm dog deposits, watermelon peels, etc; pack it out.
No, you will not "pick it up on the way back down".
  • + 1
 Horses can be a major problem in my area. I get launched into the blackberries when I try to evade a pile of crap and my front wheel encounters an immovable object. Not to mention the riders and hikers are trying to kick us out of the local park. Apparently, horses and their crap piles are fine, but mtn bikers are dangerous and destroy nature. Oh, and noisy. Keep in mind that this is a 1300 acre park in nowhere, with plenty of trails for everyone and clearly marked trails and signage stuff. You walk/ride down/up the bike trails, that's your problem. But verbally attacking the bikers and physically attacking the trails, axing wood features and digging out the berms... NOT COOL.
  • + 0
 Keep in mind that I also hike and occasionally ride horses, and love that stuff too. Just be responsible and nice to others.
  • + 3
 Spandex-clad egomaniacs with upper-4-figure road bikes who think they're the next Lance Armstrong and blast through the local family type trails at twice the speed limit. It's getting really bad. I've had several close calls, and I saw a news article about a local kid who got hit by one of these guys. Dude blew through a stop sign, poor little kid got run over and the idiot's chainring gashed his head. If you're that good, ride on the road, for Pete's sake.
  • - 1
 @mtbikeaddict:lol if you crashed trying to miss a pile of horse crap you need more skills or man up and hit it. Poor city folk scared of a little digested grass.
  • + 6
 Joggers with headphones in, ride up behind them with the hope hub buzzing away - no reaction, shout hello - no reaction, get right up behind them shout hello - no reaction. So ride of the trail in to the grass bushes to pass them with a safe gap and then they jump all over the place usually into your path and give you evils for creeping up on them and making them jump.
  • - 1
 @d-man amen to that. Maybe I'm just immune to it because I work with horses but I never understood this repulsion of others. It's about as organic as shit can get.
  • + 2
 @lifeofloon: my dog loves a good roll in it , the little f**ker !
  • + 2
 kids that have bonfires at my trail, break bottles, then leave with a fire still burning in a spot that is surrounded by dry grass
  • + 0
 @d-man: I was riding a friend's bike he let me borrow, and I didn't want to do anything to his (nice) bike. Plus, that was when I was a relative beginner, not recently.
  • + 0
 @d-man: I need more skills? Maybe you should go faster and see what you look like after hitting several big puddles/mountains of horse crap. Razz Wink
  • + 1
 @mtbikeaddict: since I own 5 horses I am quit used to horse shit.
  • + 3
 @lifeofloon: this repulsion, mine included is that IT'S SHIT! I don't care what kind of animal it's coming out of or what they ate. It comes through intestines, mixes with a bunch of enzymes and bacteria and whatever the f*ck else that is used to break down food and exits an a*shole AS SHIT! Shit is repulsive and if you don't find it gross, you're f*cking weird.
  • + 1
 @lightsgetdimmer: in that case I hope you never have to change a diaper.
  • + 2
 @bmck: But don't forget, "we'll pick it up when we come back by it, later."

Yeah....right!
  • + 1
 @lifeofloon: been doing it for four months now with my new baby girl. It's gross because IT'S SHIT!
  • + 1
 @fullbug: Or when you are working on the trail and someone stops to talk and their first words are, "You know what I'd do is..."
  • + 230
 Riders dumbing down trails, or creating b-lines around every feature. Go ride a trail at your level. Come back when you're good enough. Stop f@cking up my hard work.
  • + 62
 This x10000. I would have included that - it's my biggest pet peeve - but I've written about it so much already. I think it's a lost cause now.
  • + 9
 THIS!
  • + 7
 That exactly what happen in our trails and even with chicken line they still take down features to make it safe for everyone. :/
  • + 7
 there is a small gully/dip on one of my local trails, with a half-buried smooth rock in the centre of the entry. I always used to either take the line straight over the rock or slightly to the right. Lately, someone has been obstructing that line with logs and other big rocks to force the line to the left, which gives the whole line somewhat of a kink as you enter.

I have been moving the rocks and logs each time, and each time I come back the pile is getting bigger and more complex until I could probably fill a wheelbarrow with all the crap.
  • + 8
 As a relative beginner I second this. I learn best riding what's just beyond my comfort level, not a g-rated easy versions of things.
  • + 7
 Also on my local trails: a slightly off-camber corner on an ascent, with a bit of a root and a protruding rock and a rut in there somewhere has been completely smoothed out, filled in, and a big sweeping *berm* is in its place. Heresy.
  • + 8
 #strava
  • + 1
 Amen
  • + 38
 As someone who likes tech but is terrified by gaps I'm going to have to disagree on the B line bit. A second line that lets me enjoy the trail without dying is rather nice to have ("experts only" trails excluded). That said, the "hard work" main line should be left untouched. Let everyone enjoy the trail
  • + 11
 Absolutely! Stop dumbing down trails!!!!!!!!! The worst dumbing downing our area is done by the local land groups who think they're making things more "inclusive". Beginner trails that you can push a baby stroller along are great for folks just getting started. But.... why take away our tech in favor of beginners? Oh and can I mention the horsey people? Who let their animals crap everywhere? I mean everywhere. No it's not as offensive as dog poo, and it is great for your garden to a point, but nobody likes to shred their way through horse crap. Oh and a special shout out goes to the incredibly obtuse(physically and mentally) owner of a certain Yorkshire terrier who decided to defend a set of rock stairs whilst I was descending them. Forcing me to literally track stand or run over the dog, while the owner casually took a sip of his "big gulp" (Yes, we have 64oz. sugary single serving beverages here in the US) carefully placed it down beside him and then decided to call off his dog, chuckling about what a feisty little guy he was. So I guess I have an issue with multi-use trails. How about mtb trails and hiking and horsey trails?
  • + 7
 @src248: Gaps are a bit different though. If the trail is green or blue, it should have a B line if there is a tech section that can't be just rolled. But when you have an intermediate rock garden, or you know... a log roll-over... leave those things there. Beginners have to learn somehow, and more skilled riders also need something interesting other than doing the few black trails over and over.
  • + 5
 @src248: if there wasn't a b line cut in the first place don't cut it. It's probably go to f*ck up the trails drainage pull crap into the normal line and cause worse erosion in general. Sorry just ride a different trail. From every hard working trail builder/diggers everywhere plz if we didn't make a proper b line that completely sucks then don't ride one in.
  • + 11
 @mikelevy: Wheels getting bigger and suspension getting better but yet new lines form around every little thing on a trail. I don't get it.
  • + 35
 @mtbschrader: f*ck, tell me about it. Worse yet are organizations only building or approving the easiest of trails in the name of "growing the sport,'' while not representing older, more experienced riders. And eeeeeven worse is when existing trails are modified to suit a lower skill set - I ain't no pro, and I don't care how good or bad anyone is, but please build an easier trail before modifying an existing one. That's not the case everywhere, of course, but it's also not an uncommon complaint that I hear. Not all trail work is good trail work, or even needed.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: I agree with that. Too much catering to beginners and mostly unnecessary. Myself and many other starting out want to get better and push themselves to try harder stuff and clear obstacles, climbs and jumps.

Luckily we have one great new place that's actually putting in some big stuff and has tons of jumps and fast flowy stuff already.

Another peev while I'm at it is guys head out in front of you and know you are coming behind them and you come to a small easy to clear tree that forces you off the bike and they must have been off the bike too but just left it for you to deal with. Lazy bastards.
  • + 2
 This x infinity
  • + 10
 @mikelevy: Don’t even get me started on trail organizations that don’t represent their riders... You’re supposed to be impressed by their advocacy skills when they officially “open” a new fire road that everyone’s been riding for 15 years already and that was in no danger of being closed, and then call you a whiner when you say it wasn’t good enough and they should maybe listen to the complaints the riders have. That topic deserves a whole different article.
  • + 16
 @hangdogr: Agreed. It's something that I've touched on briefly before, but it's also a tough thing to criticize in the current climate. I usually don't shy away from saying what I'm thinking (within reason), but I'd be nervous to write about this topic if I'm honest. God forbid we talk about trail work or advocacy in a critical light...

Maybe it'd be a good topic for a Mike vs Mike video so I can really put my foot in my mouth. On video. Again.
  • - 13
flag nojzilla (May 10, 2018 at 22:07) (Below Threshold)
 @mtbschrader: out my way it's the bigger wheeled riders that are the most guilty!!!
Example,
A tight twisty line that is the most tech in our very tame, flat sanitised forest loop, has one tight corner around a tree that the bid wheeled XC heads have just straight lined an mede easier. The two lines existed for a while but, now the easy line has become the main leaving the original tech line over grown over time
Boils my piss!
We can blame two things,
Bigger wheels are harder to control. Cannot debate that.
Strava times.
BUT,
Both things are done by the same type of XC wippit strava head, so.......
Big Grin
Feels like the above is a vision of the whole of mtb's last 5years an hopefully not its future
  • + 9
 @nojzilla: you must be living under a stone, sorry... that’s some of the dumbest theorized assumptions that I have ever read or heard. Your frequently manifested will to go after people is fkng ridiculous. Go fix yourself first
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: re'read the first 3 words of my post......
An then you.. GFY
  • + 4
 Yes! I came across a trial crew the other year like 8 people removing this huge boulder from the middle of the trail iv'e ridden for years, which had been there for maybe 10,000 years and I was like why?? They said because they were trying to make the trail easier again i asked why? then i slowly rolled away...
  • + 3
 B lines make me happy. Often I can ride 90% of a trail but it takes numerous times down before I work up the courage to hit something scary. Having to walk them sucks.
  • + 3
 @nojzilla: yhm yeah. Go to an e-bike article and say something charismatic
  • - 5
flag dirtdoctor (May 10, 2018 at 23:19) (Below Threshold)
 @friendlyfoe: B lines only create more B lines. And B for you dig into my track for another B line, look around because I will f'n B head you!
  • + 2
 @dirtdoctor: you sir are drunk. To you I say good day. I SAID GOOD DAY!
  • + 8
 @dirtdoctor: “B-head you” slow clap for you sir
  • + 1
 @friendlyfoe: Guess you didn't like my play on B line, Whistler has one too.
  • - 2
 @WAKIdesigns: will do boss, no worries there Big Grin
  • + 2
 @nojzilla: sorry overreacted there but big wheels and cuts, come on... I’m riding long enough to see that Joey, Jerry and Wendy would fk up tutns even if they were on full suspended BMX. There’s no protection against a lack of skill and respect in always increasing numbers. Same with Strava. There may be an incentive to cut more. But reality is most cuts are made out of lack of skill and respect. General stupidity
  • + 14
 @fattyheadshok: one more thing on horses. There's hardly a thing i hate more than girls on horseback telling you to slow down on gravel road uphills when coming from behind, going like 10kph, because you might scare there shitty animals. Girls, if your horses are not safe to ride in the real World, just leave them at home. Or at the butchers, i like horse sausages.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: yep. In austria there we currrently have an invasion of flow&country trails; and one beats the other in terms of boredom (seriously, i have encountered smaller in diameter than the wheelbase of my bike). When „beginners“ are finished with flow&country they are ready to go to bikeparks and do the real bikepark stuff. Waiting on takeoffs, skidding over takeoffs, waiting in the landing of bild jumps/corners and so on.
In terms of littering ( i‘ve worked in schladming bikepark for 3 years) You forgot to mention those people with unmaintained bikes/gear. I had a box with all the crap i found on trails and to this day i have like 8 RS rebound adjusters, i even found a whole piggybag one day. And millions of exploded tubes, barends, every bold imaginable, waterbottels and visors, millions of visors.

What im trying to say is: yes you are right.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: thats exactly whats happening at my closest bikepark. It's a great thing for my girlfriend who just started riding, but the old, rocky and rooty 'freeride' trail is gone forever. Thankfully they left the lower part alone, tight, rooty and you would have to know the Lines to carry speed, it's a Bliss. Almost everyone i know hates on it though, so i guess it's just a matter of time...
  • + 1
 @Muckal: bischofmais?
  • - 1
 @K1maxX: those rebound adjusters are pricey. You should start a business Big Grin then I wonder how many people ended up with rebound adjuster puncturing their tyre.
  • + 8
 @Lejla: people forget that sometimes things go wrong and there should be an easy escape or bail out. Maybe your just sighting the trail before you ride it properly, a mechanical, injury or your just done. B lines and chicken lines are legit, but leave in the proper features too. And don't use big logs to block strava lines, if you go off trail by accident your otb. Small branches, leaves etc a visual guide, not a physical one.
B lines help my riding improve, as I choose which features to ride, rather than all of them to start with, then gradually start riding more until I do them all.
I should add that I'm not for creating b lines in other peoples trails, but that I think it's helpful for trail builders to consider them.
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 @K1maxX: lol, exactly! They also 'rebuilt' the wooden drops down near the bikeshop. While doing it they also made them smaller of course...and they raised prices quite a lot.
Can't wait for Spicak to open.
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 @Muckal: is Spicak that good? I am thinking of going there on the way to Poland for the holidays.
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 @WAKIdesigns: well, it's my favourite. Great tracks with built ostacles as well as gnarly natural stuff. Great people, metal music at the Peak Station of the chairlift, great czech beer. Super cheap accomodation, from 12 Euros a night right at the lift. Leave a message, i'll be happy to introduce you.
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 @WAKIdesigns: plus, in case you want to stay for several days and feel like you need a chill day, Bischofsmais Geisskopf (German for shithead) is just 40min by car away.
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 @Muckal: I’ll look into it!
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 @Braindrain (et al): If a builder didn’t put in a b-line, it’s because the feature was rollable, or easier than the entry feature. If you walked or skipped the entry feature, regardless of signage, you’re on the wrong trail. Similiarly, if your skills aren’t good enough to hit the feature as designed or roll it (as applicable) and there’s no b-line, you’re on the wrong trail. It’s more honorable to go away and respect that, than to f@ck up the trail. You’re not a wimp if you recognize the level you’re at and respect that, you’re a responsible rider and everyone will respect you for that. If they don’t then they’re 14 and need to grow up. Don’t let ego get in the way.

And finally, if you’re not hitting the features of the trail, you’re not actually riding trail anyway. So why are you on it?
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 @mtbschrader: And where is the accomplishment? How does one take pride in "cleaning" a perfectly smooth berm compared to railing a turn filled with ruts, roots, braking bumps/bomb holes, etc?

I think not getting it is something to be proud of in this situation, because I don't get it either.
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 @mikelevy: God forbid me, but I did it anyway. IMBA are fools and lead the dumb down trails brigade. Stop telling trail builders to turn singletrack into gravel paths. Oh, and I hate "flow" too, when it really means, "watch me turn this black/blue to green right before your eyes". There, I said it.
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 or the County/State plowing (bulldozing) the trail to improve it..... both Laguna and Arroyo in So Cal get decimated at least once a year....
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 @Muckal: Totally agree. Saw a young lass getting pretty much dragged down a trail in Pennsylvania last year. Some concerned walkers turned to me and were like, "what do we do?" Uh... you try and stop a 3000lb pissed off animal, folks. Good luck." The bike under my ass doesn't have a brain, but a horse does, and it seems that I'm the one always getting yelled at for going too fast.

And the real bitch of it - the horse groups have the $, so they get the preferential treatment. I've resorted to throwing plastic bags of dog poop at them when they trot by, left on the side of the trial by my dog walking compadres.
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 @hangdogr: you're totally correct in areas with well built trails, controlled building and signs. Totally correct. But you're thinking that all trails are built by people who know what they are doing and consider these things, locally to me this is far from the case...
If b line has been added then there's probably a reason for this, which is likely that your entry feature with following trail and suitably graded features utopia has been ballsed up by well meaning people just hacking out trails out in the woods.
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 @Braindrain: I agree with you in general about social trails vs the areas with well built trails/signage etc. BUT, there are plenty of trails out there that aren't the latter and that were built (and are maintained) by someone. I'm not talking about old hiking trails that riders have started using, but purpose built trails. These trails (no matter the skill of the builder) are a labor of love. People who decide they have the right to just start altering them are going to a special place in hell in my book.

However, riders need to be conscious even social trails that have developed by just riding old hiking lines. A perfect example is the "b-line" around that narrow ribbon of singletrack that gets filled with water after a rain. Eventually, that line gets ridden around. Next thing you know, the trail isn't a neat little ribbon, it's an eight foot wide fireroad, just from usage. We have MANY examples of that. Same for rollable drops. Trail used to be 2 feet wide with a rollable drop and now it's 10 feet wide with 3 different versions of b-lines. In those cases, it's really hard to defend bikes against the haters like the Sierra Club - we are f@cking up the landscape.

But anyway, I digress. Don't alter features, don't create new b-lines. Keep your @ss on bike and keep your bike on the trail. Unplanned dismounts are the only acceptable exception Razz
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 @Muckal: sounds immense! Also sounds affordable...might have to look into a holiday.
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 @mikelevy: the only caveat I'd add is that building and funding new beginner Trails or updating some existing trails is good for younger riders, who are also sometimes those ' lower skillset' riders. Now my kids and I can all enjoy parts of the shore because there are some moderate loops within reasonable access. When they get better, they can climb up higher and find all that delicious jank.
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 Like IMBA?
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 @Lejla: should not be any gaps on beginner or intermediate level trails.
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 @nojzilla: I know you got downvotes here, but I gotta agree with you on this one. Not necessarily the way you expressed it, but nobody here on PB comments gets a diplomatic prize. We all rant here from time to time. I’m not a fan of big wheels either. They have their place but they are not the panacea for everything. Just ask Cam McCaul.
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 1.) Dog owners leaving their animal’s sh*t on the trail.
2.) Obnoxious hikers with Bluetooth speakers blasting garbage music in the mountains.
3.) Dumb a$$ mountain bikers who while descending don’t yield to those climbing.
4.) Dumb a$$ idiot selfish pr*ck mountain bikers who while descending don’t yield to those climbing.
5.) Off-Leash dog owners who act all butthurt and scared when you “surprise” them.
6.) A ton of other stuff but I’m at work and don’t have any more time to list them!
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 I find it more annoying when climbers don't yield to those that are descending. I usually end up yielding to everyone. Why would I want to wreck someones flow on the downhill?
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flag pierson100 (May 10, 2018 at 13:41) (Below Threshold)
 climbers should always yield to descenders. They shouldn't be going up a down trail anyways.
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flag ybsurf (May 10, 2018 at 13:43) (Below Threshold)
 @iantmcg: exactly my thought I always believe downhill have priority on climbers but could be wrong.
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 Ohhhhhh people who play music on speakers.
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flag jt46321rock (May 10, 2018 at 13:46) (Below Threshold)
 @iantmcg: I agree, its also easier for the climber to stop or pull over quick.
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 @jt46321rock: Nope. The descender is going much faster and so should be looking much further ahead. Climber could be head down at 2 mph and only looking a few feet ahead, they won't even know the downhiller is there until they're on top of them. Besides that the DHer just has to let go the brakes to start up again, where the climber now has completely lost their momentum.
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flag d-man (May 10, 2018 at 14:03) (Below Threshold)
 @iantmcg: i agree
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 @ybsurf: You are wrong. Downhill riders should be looking much further ahead, hence they'll know about the climber before the climber knows about them.

Kind of like boating, where the faster boat is more maneuverable and should give way to the slower vessel.
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 @iantmcg: Why would you want to completely rob the climber of their momentum?

And when going downhill, you'll be going faster and thus looking farther ahead, so you'll know about the climber first. Then you can stop at a nice spot where you can just release the brakes and be shredding again.
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 @pierson100: Not all trails are one-way
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 I can't stand off-leash dogs where they shouldn't be off-leash or the self-righteous dog owners that sometimes come along with that. I actually hit and killed an off-leash dog on a mountain bike trail many years ago, so it's something that I'll rally against any day.
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flag spaceofades (May 10, 2018 at 14:11) (Below Threshold)
 @just6979: Depending on the downhill, it may be very difficult or damn near impossible to avoid a climber when smashing down. If the climber doesn't get out of the way, they'll probably be run over, especially on a particularly tight and/or steep trail.
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 @jt46321rock: no way. having your cadence interrupted on a steep climb it can be nearly impossible to start back up again without your momentum. I feel like folks who ride primarily downhill trails have skewed this debate, and i understand where they are coming from..no one likes having their DH interrupted but it is significantly easier to squeeze the breaks for a moment then release them than manufacture momentum out of nowhere as a climber.

And to those who say " they shouldn't be riding up a descent anyway!" Many trails don't have a specific direction and feature multiple climbs and descents on the same trail so that logic really only applies in certain circumstances.
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 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: If you're bombing a multi direction trail with blind corners so fast that you cant stop...you're the one whos creating un-necessary risk..not a climber whos riding normal trail speed.
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 @iantmcg: an that is where the problem is, the flow is overrated BS, safety and politeness is more important
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 Off leash dog owners for sure
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 @mikelevy:
With you bike or Chuck Norris style?
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 @IsaacO: fair point. I guess my thing only applies for people hiking their bikes up dh trails.
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 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: absolutely..if your pushing up a trail get the hell out of the way. haha
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 @mikelevy: Yeah but sadly these days everyone is against both mountain bikers and dogs so dogs are getting progressively banned from so many areas and shoved into areas where mountain bikers ride. There was a time when the park by my house had off-leash hours, but now it's on-leash only while the mtb trails in my neighbourhood are off-leash. It's a real bummer but at least I've trained my dogs to get their asses out of the way of bikers
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 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: Then you shouldn't be "smashing" so hard on that trail if there is 2-way traffic on it.
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 @Dropthedebt: With my bike. I t-boned the poor black lab right in the rib cage.
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 @just6979: in my neck of the woods downhill have priority why wreck a flow on a downhill that's why we climb to hills for the downhill reward just my opinion though happy I live in a place where climber pull aside I obviously slow down though.
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 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: And how are they supposed to get out of the way? Downhill rider who "can't stop" will be going pretty damn fast and looking way ahead, and the climber is going to be looking just a few feet up the trail, especially if it's so steep that it's "very difficult or damn near impossible" for a descender to stop.

That's the biggest reason why the climber has the right of way, because increasing speeds mean increasing look-ahead, hence the descender will almost always see the climber first.

If it's not a one-way trail, there shouldn't be sections where you both can't see ahead and can't stop safely. If there are blind descents on a two-way trail then it's terribly designed.
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 If you are riding 2 way trails you can't really be worried about interrupted flow going up or down. I only ride these types of trails early, early in the morn.
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 @ybsurf: I guess "flow" is so important you can't even be bothered to include punctuation in your sentences.
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 @mikelevy:
#blacklabsmatter
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 @igorgoga: I don't run people over, I yield on the way up and the way down. Cleaning a climb is overrated though, you can finish the hill just walking up it. If you yield to someone on the way down you miss the side jumps or you have to climb back up to get more speed.
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 @Dropthedebt: #alllabsmatter
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 I know I’ll get neg propped into oblivion, but just so ppl know.. downhill is supposed to yield to uphill on bikes. The idea is that on a multi-direction trail it’s easier to stop/go going down, but much harder to restart on many uphills.
I love dh a LOT - like more than Levy loves his new downcountry Morbella CrayOn (tween-travel) rig - and I always find a spot to pull over for climbers.
Don’t be that guy that just yells and rips by. We don’t need more of that guy.
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 @mikelevy: ouch. thats a real bummer. Did the owner try to hold you responsible?
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flag ybsurf (May 10, 2018 at 14:47) (Below Threshold)
 @just6979: now youre going on punctuation,really! That's how I've been taught trail etiquette maybe because I ride where there's lots of logging and usually riders climb up logging road I'm not sure. @g123 that's good to know then if it's the way to do it.
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 @SenorMartillo: No, the owner was surprisingly calm. I felt terrible, obviously.
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 This is an old and established rule of mountaineering. The one coming down yields. This is true for hiking, climbing, skiing, biking. If we want to share nature then we have to also obey to rules in place.
It’s the one thing mountain bikers really need to learn, is that before we were shredding bikes in the mountains, people have been using them for millennia. Rules have been established in the process and in some places also written down.
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flag iantmcg (May 10, 2018 at 15:00) (Below Threshold)
 @ybsurf: That is what gets me. The areas I ride all have logging roads to the top of the trails, there is no reason to be climbing them.
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flag jrocksdh (May 10, 2018 at 15:01) (Below Threshold)
 @just6979: climber can usually hear the dhr sooner as they're going slow, bo chain slap etc..
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 @mikelevy: The self-righteousness of some dog owners for sure. Especially when they act like owning an animal is equivalent to being a parent.
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flag ColquhounerHooner (May 10, 2018 at 15:52) (Below Threshold)
 @just6979: l know most folk that are into climbing don't have brains, but l didn't know they are also ear-less. Oh, they're the ones with the Bluetooth too!
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 @Dropthedebt: Is that Black Labs Matter or Black Lab Smatter?
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 Downhill yields. How ever common sense should be exercised, if somebody is descending a steep rocky or loose section it may be very hard for them. In this case get out of the way. When climbing I usually try and wave the downhill rider through unless I'm on a section where it's hard to get going again.
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flag Ryanrobinson1984 (May 10, 2018 at 16:26) (Below Threshold)
 @just6979: no, you're wrong, jackdick
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flag Ryanrobinson1984 (May 10, 2018 at 16:32) (Below Threshold)
 @catweasel: completely agree! Not every case should the downhiller yield to the uphiller. In a lot of cases, it is much harder for the downhiller to come to a complete stop. If there is a decent kicker on the trail, I will try and do a full send over the climbing rider. I have sent it straight into their chest before, though
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 @iantmcg: That is your personal choice to yield to those descending. If you're descending you've got a boat load of potential energy (mass x speed), if you hit something that something is going to get very affected. If a climber bumps into something, no big deal. The rule is there for safety, if we can all just accept this rule and not second guess it, we'll all be much better off.
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 @iantmcg: the rule has always been descending yield but it always seemed stupid and less safe to me as well as worse for the trail. If I hear someone ripping down a track I pull to the side and let them know how many riders are behind me sometimes yell rider down the trail. I’d rather cheer for you and take a little brake.
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 @mitochris: it’s a good point but when rock climbing it is easy and safe to stop going down and you may fall off a clif when climbing up. I always pay attention to riders going up or down and yield going both ways why everyone is so pissed about stopping and enjoying nature or fellow riders for 20-30seconds you can find out great info on how the trail is animal sitings and such. Why can’t we be friends?
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 @Jlukac86: Puppa haters are bad people
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 @bmck: Drives me f*cking nuts... it's an issue on the ski slopes too...
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 @loganflores: thank you! This... I get why the rule exist and fully abide by it on the DH. Butttt. I always stop for those coming down. Only dicks don't offer to stop for those going down. Just to be clear, if you disagree with this you're a fool.
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 Those are all good ones.
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 @Jlukac86: unfortunately my dog doesnt have thumbs and thus can't hold onto my leash whilst I play in the woods
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 @ybsurf: climbing has right of way. The reasoning behind that is it is harder to get going again from a stop on the uphill rather than when you have gravity on your side
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 @ColquhounerHooner: I ride both...... I feel to go dh, one must do at least some uphill
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 @loganflores: curtesy towards your fellow mountaineer is rule #1, so if it is obviously easier for you to yield then do it, regardless of direction. They danger is that some of the young guns here thinknit is in their right as a DHler to do what they want. Accidents and arguments happen when two parties are playing by different rule books.
Also, not sure about the US but in Europe the biker will always have to yield for hikers (unless on designated trials like in bike parks).
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flag loganflores (May 10, 2018 at 21:37) (Below Threshold)
 @QuantumIce: I get that if you were rocking 32-34 but you with the plate sized cassette people 32 50 have less to stand on I didn’t have much trouble once I got my first 34 and I dropped the front mech in 05 the idea that it’s impossible to restart a climb is dumb. The trail damage going down and stopping is much worse than you taking a 20sec breather and starting again.
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 @genericmk: yes, there is a rule. The rule is the decender yields. That’s it. You are trying to change a long established mountaineering rule. Because you are on a bike. If you are in the mountains this is the rule and everyone being there, regardless of sport, knows it. We can’t have different rules for different sports because people will not know them.
Now, saying that, of course there should be curtesy towards others and if you can yield, do it, but the one coming down can’t demand it.
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 I've found that the climbers on local trails usually yield to the guys going down. I'm usually the latter. My guess is that they hear someone bombing downhill and move over before I get to them. That said, I always hammer the brakes, and coast by slowly, thanking them and stating the number of riders behind me. On the rare occasion I see a climber and they're still pedaling, I'll pull over and stop. BUT, the trails I ride are mostly shuttled (though not dedicated one-way trails) with the stray occasional climber. So I think that if you are riding on each others turf you should recognize local customs to help keep the peace. Everywhere else, as much as I hate to tug on my 8" Saint brakes and hear the scrub of the Minions ruining my flow, the DH guys need to yield. Yield to common sense, yield to the laws of physics, and yes, yield to the guy creeping uphill at 2mph.
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 @bmck: dude, just the thought of loud speakers playing on the trail fills me with such rage I can't even articulate a proper response about it.
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flag stefanfresh (May 11, 2018 at 1:51) (Below Threshold)
 @mikelevy: Im sorry, but the dog owners have as much right to have dogs off leash as you do to ride trails. The only case would be a mountain bike specific trail where hiking is not allowed, but this is usually called a bikepark. We have to share the mountains, if you want to race down a track enter a fuking race, or go to a bikepark, its simple enough, if not, you have to be in control to stop in time. And all this debate about who lets the way, as if flow is something sacred that must not be interrupted, get real people!!! What a bunch of pricks, no wonder people complain about bikers. Just learn to respect and share the trails, and run where you can run. It says a lot that you support you argument saying you killed a dog while bicking, if that was mine... lets say I wouldnt be so happy.
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flag stefanfresh (May 11, 2018 at 2:10) (Below Threshold)
 @mikelevy Im sure you feel awful, accidents happen, and probably the poor dog paid for his owners imprudence. But a pet peeve about mountain biking is that most riders will ride down the trail as fast as they can, no matter what type of trail, thinking they have to right to do it, especially if strava is on. This makes sharing areas imposible, but common sense is lacking. This is just an effort to not seem like an internet hater, keyboard basher etc.. just trying to make a point.
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 @stefanfresh: The problem is that dogs are not smart enough to realize that they are sharing an area with others. They don't know they are crossing a bike trail. Its the owners responsibility to keep the dog out of harms way if you are taking it off leash in a area know to be ridden by mountain bikers. In order to share a trail, whether it be bikers or hikers, there has to be common sense and awareness of each other. The dog won't understand this, thus it should be leashed or trained to stay by the owners side in these areas. If it can't, then it shouldn't be there.
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 @iantmcg: If you miss the side jumps you can just ride it again. Even if you stop on the descent, you still can finish the descent ON YOUR BIKE! You're asking for other riders to WALK AND NOT RIDE so you can continue to ride like a f*cking knob.
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 @sino428: mate, that's a weak argument, to say the least. So you have the right to ride your bike without having to worry about dogs, but a guy who wants his dog to walk freely in the mountain doesnt have the right to do so without worrying about bikes? The problem is not that dogs aren't smart enough to f*cking know an idiot like you think he's sam f*cking hill riding his bike down a trail and is dangerous for him. The problem is you are not smart enough to realise that you are an idiot, and It's YOUR f*cking responsability to keep in control in a trail which is not bike specific at all times, so that if a person/animal/kid/ whatever comes at you you can stop in time. If you don't understand this it's you that shouldn't be there. It's very much like driving cars, accidents happen to very careful people, but usually it's idiots thinking they are Ken Block who end up f*cking up people's lives. Again, if you want to not worry about dogs not on a leash, go to a bikepark or enter a race, in that case, no argument. The same as if you want to race your car, go to a circuit. What a BUNCH OF c*ntS thinking the trails are yours to ride down honestly!
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 @sino428: this especially doesn't make sense when you just posted another comment saying that you shouldn't smash down two way traffic trails. Same principle mate.
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 @mitochris: How about the rules of physics. It will be much harder for the DHr to stop and manuver than the up hiller going 2 MPH with gravity on there side to move out the way.
2nd would you rather be disrupted on your hard earned descent or your miserbale climb. IDGAF who came up with that rull about descenders yield to climbers (bike related) PHYSICS made the correct rule first!!!
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 @stefanfresh: Can you read "mate"? Try f*cking reading what I wrote before calling me names. Like I said in my comment, which you clearly couldn't comprehend, if you are responsible dog owner and keep your dog on leash or its trained enough to stay close by then there is no reason that trails can't be shared by all, safely.

But again, like I said, that takes awareness from both parties, even if all riders are safely and riding in control. I'm sorry if you are insulted by this, but your dog is f*cking dumb. It lacks the awareness to know its on a multi use trail. It doesn't know its darting across a trail in the woods. It lacks the awareness to be able to hear another rider approaching from ahead or behind, it lacks the awareness of where trails cross or merge,it lacks the awareness of who has the right of way, etc. These are things that if you bring a dog into that environment you are responsible for, and you can't do that if you let it roam around off on its own. You act like bikers are selfish, but its you that are selfish, asking everyone else to cater to you because you have to bring your animal there.
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 @mikelevy: oh man. I feel for you. If that happened to me I would be devastated.
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 @sino428: I can read well enough to know you are not very smart :X Of course it takes awerness of both parts, I never said it doesn't. If awareness and inteligence is the determining principle, the fully aware guy riding a bike down a sahred trail should be the one more aware than the dog enjoying his walk, it's quite simple. And name calling is completly necessary, how else would you keep the comment section interesting?
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 @sino428: look none of the trails where I live are bike specific, so they are shared by all. Sometimes I walk my fully obedient know how to get out the way trained dogs on them, sometimes on a leash, sometimes I walk myself, without bike,without dogs, and even then it can be hard to get out of the way for bikers. I dont think having the dogs on a leash is the solution, that's all, and thinking that it is I beleive denotes shortsightedness.
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 @stefanfresh: There is a difference between being more aware, and having any awareness. The point is the dog has none. The only thing a dog knows is that its out running in the woods having a good time. If a dog is just out enjoying a walk by his owners side, then like I said, there should be no problem and as the owner can guide the dog and be aware of whats happening. The problem is people that just let their dogs run ahead or wonder as they please. Those people are the issue and IMO not being responsible. I love dogs,which is why I feel so strongly about this. The last thing I want to do is hurt or kill one that darts in front of me on a trail because its dipshit owner isn't responsible enough to look after it.
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 @sino428: I agree with you in that I like dogs, and I see your point. But I'm afraid I still disagree on almost everything else. I try to keep my dogs out of the way when I let them wonder around, and I understand what you say about irresponsible owners, as with everything there are many, and its dogs that pay for that. But I still would like to be able to set my dog free in a shared area, or let my kid explore, knowing bikers will be slighlty aware that at some point there might be something other than themselves on the trail. People dislike lose dogs because they have to slow down for them, same with hikers, other climbing bikers etc... because it ruins their flow, it puts them out of it... whatever. It's blaming others for your mistakes, for your responsabilites. I think that precisely because clever people like you and I know that others aren't so careful, we should be, otherwise we are just as careless as them. I've seen mates keep on riding towards a lose dog when they have clearly seen them,missing them by inches and then having a go at the owner, and not only with dogs. This is mainstream, and every time I've thought those guys where dicks, so talk about selfrightgeous dog owners. I say: on the trails, just take it easy man. Let's agree to disagree.
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 Why the F are you climbing a downhill trail anyway? Happening more and more with dumb ass ebikers who have no clue. And I'm not bashing ebikes, just the ones who climb DH trails
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 @gks333: so what you are saying that mountaineering rules have to be changed for you. Fine. But let’s look at it in another way. If you are biking in an alpine environment you might have a climb that takes two hours +. You want the climber for the entire time, while peddling uphill, to look out for bikers coming the other way. You might be coming down the hill with 50km/h and I have a few seconds to get out of the way. Do you see how stupid that idea is? It is your duty as coming down the hill to look out for traffic and be able to stop in time without endangering others. Just as it is the duty of the climber to respect others.
Or put it another way. Taking your physics into account. Moving an almost stationary object far enough out of the way in the time you come down the hill might just not be quick enough before you plough into the climber. The descender has to be aware where they are going and stop in time. Physics dictates it.
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 Hey @sino428, check what this guy is saying, again... always the same. The one going downhill is always the one resposible, just because of the sheer speed they are going at, it makes them the only ones able to anticipate what is coming, if they cant, they are going to fast. It's downhillers that should give way, just cause it is so much easier for them than for people to constantly be watching out for a bunch of guys crazy enough to ride a bike down trails which 99% of the people would never even know could be done. Do you see where I'm going? And yeah @gks333, @mitochris is right dude.
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 @hyperider: Also true, stick to fire roads as much as possible, what about xc riders though, where the climb is part of the challenge?
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 @stefanfresh: Oddly, I think we actually agree here, just coming about it from different angles. I don't think for a second that mtn bikers should have free reign. If you read my comments in other sections here I firmly believe that the downhill rider should always yield others as well. I think that you should be able to walk your dog as long as you keep it close by or leashed. My only problem is people who just bring their dog into areas like this and let them wonder along on their own. Thats when a dog can dart across a trail or get in someones way and cause a problem, no matter how responsible the bike rider is.
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 @mitochris: I think you're not reading my post correctly. Downhill traffic yields by default. Period. If you're pedaling up and want to pull over, by all means, but if you're coming down, expect to stop unless you're waved on.
  • + 0
 @sino428: no free reign for mountain bikers, you must be maaaad! ; )
  • + 1
 @genericmk: sorry! My bad.
  • + 3
 @hyperider:

Absolutely spot on almost all built rather than natural trails are built by people to go down not up and are usually accessed via a fire road climb. If you decide to ride up those trails you are an inconsiderate idiot and so should at least be ready to get out of the way of someone coming down.
  • + 2
 @applepie: who said anything about hating dogs? I love dogs, I hate irresponsible dog owners. I crashed a couple weeks ago avoiding a dog that belonged to some hikers on a nearby trail. He started chasing me as I went off a small drop and I had to bail to avoid hitting him. If your dog doesn't stay beside you, use a leash
  • + 1
 @bmck: and crappy singers that are fat and don't wear a shirt while riding... true story... saw it yesterday....
  • + 43
 Speaking of tiny bolts, @raceface the RIDICULOUS plastic cinch ring and it's shitty little bolt for your Cinch cranks/BB's. What in the actual F were you thinking on this one? After reading the titanium cranks article from Cane Creek, I immediately order their nice alloy version. WAAAAY better quality and usability. Shame on you others for charging $300-$400 plus for alloy/carbon wonder cranks and having having it all come together with an 4 cent piece of trash.

Ok, rant over. Big Grin
  • + 8
 Agreed. Race Face's carbon cranks are some of the best out there - I've got some that I'll never part with - but that damn preload ring kills me. I get it, it doesn't need much torque, but c'mon.
  • + 5
 @mikelevy: Exactly. I have a set of the SixC carbons on my DH bike that I really like and alloy set of Atlas. Both great cranks. Sad such a good product is finished with a cheap piece of plastic. Everyone I know with Cinch cranks has cracked those at one point or another. Kudos to Cane Creek for stepping up with a quality piece.
  • - 2
 I agree Race Face crank bolts are great. Ironic because that is the only piece of the crankset worth purchasing from them...
  • + 1
 Well, as long as everyone wants their stuff moar lighterer companys have to come up with ways to satisfy those 'needs'. Buy some HTII cranks and you can squeeze those pinchbolts till the water comes out. Bad weight and street cred though.
  • + 1
 The cinch ring was metal on the first versions of the Next SL cinch cranks, but Race Face changed it to plastic as the metal ones tended to creak. That little bolt does suck though so I'll probably order the Cane Creek version as well.
  • + 46
 TURN OFF YOUR STRAVA!!... Lets just have fun Smile
  • - 30
flag ilovedust (May 10, 2018 at 13:18) (Below Threshold)
 Someone said to me the other day “I was second fastest this year down that section on Strava and you left me standing”.
So what. Like I give a flying rats ass.
  • + 82
 #humblebrag
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 I would like to make an exception to this, I use Strava mainly to track personal progress, for example I've been riding to work more or less 5 days a week so far this week racking up around 1500 miles, I use Strava in this instance to track the time it takes me, such as i started the year taking around 55 min each way and now I'm doing 35-40 minus each way, also makes me push harder to beat myself
  • + 10
 @slumgullion: aka #douchebrag
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 @Scotj009: Many if not most riders are using strava these days. I think there should be a distinction between the fact that its perfectly acceptable to record your ride ....and that there are also wrong ways to use strava. If you're putting other riders and yourself at risk for the sake of a strava time...you're a strava douche. and if you're riding trails and recording them on strava when you shouldn't....also not cool. But just being a strava user doesn't detract from any other riders' ability to enjoy themselves.
  • - 1
 @IsaacO: I just started using Strava because my youtube subs wanted to track my rides, there will never be a KOM on mine, more like a slow as f*ck but the biggest grin, new catagory Smile
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 @Scotj009: that’s a hell of a commute. 300miles a day? In 80min? What drugs are you on?
  • + 22
 There's a time and a place for everything. If I get my ass to the trail at 4:30am on a weekday and it's dead empty, I'm coming for those KOMs.

Saturday afternoon? Let's have a couple beers and rock Timber bells on the way down. Best $20 I've spent.

Time and place.
  • + 3
 @mitochris: Meant year
  • + 42
 Biggest peeve is people riding or hiking with speakers. No one wants to hear your shitty music, use headphones and find some other way to deal with your need for attention.
  • - 40
flag nojzilla (May 10, 2018 at 14:27) (Below Threshold)
 There's Ear plugs for that
  • + 8
 @nojzilla: lol srsly?
  • + 4
 But what about books on tape??? The old ladies (and I pass between 2-20 of them every ride at this trail near a retirement community) are blasting books on tape as they hike. They won’t use headphones because they can’t hear the dangerous bikers coming way too fast. Ugh! It is a park built FOR bikes, and MAINTAINED by bikers. There will be a conga line of six of them all spaced out far enough apart so they can’t hear each other’s story. None of them do maintenance... none of them step aside to let us pass... they all feel like the trail was made for them, and we shouldn’t be there.
  • + 1
 It sure is annoying, but when you are riding solo in bear country, it’s a great warning to those furry little buddies that something is coming... beats the element of surprise as your warning to a bear
  • + 2
 @nuttypoolog: where are these old ladies? we'll see how they like it when I come blast the Wheel of Time audiobooks as I ride around them
  • - 2
 @andrewrussellthomas: nah I'm jus trollin Big Grin but,
The woods are for every one, lighten up, buy some ear plugs, maybe go at night if there's other people enjoying a day out an it gets ya grumpy. Unless.... You don't like doggers... Then definatly don't go at night....
Gonna go blast some N sync round my local loop, backwards an hit all the strava cheat short cuts whilst wearing every piece of body armour I own an not say hi or move over for any body an not pick up my trail dogs poop
  • + 5
 I think that it'd annoy the hell out of me, too... but I've done it once with a friend during a quiet mid-week ride and guess what? It was kinda awesome. But I'd never do it if I expected to see anyone, especially considering the shitty music that I listen to.
  • + 45
 The term downcountry
  • + 10
 Actually wrote my comment then went back up read the article. Day is complete.
  • + 76
 Don't worry, I'll ban the guy who wrote that dumb article.
  • - 7
flag WAKIdesigns (May 11, 2018 at 2:58) (Below Threshold)
 @mikelevy: this was not a dumb article and thank you for coining the term.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: it’s been around with the tech xc trails, we just haven’t called it that
  • + 39
 Crashing every time I see one of those female hikers in see through yoga pants and low cut sports bra....gets me every time.
  • + 28
 and uh, where do you ride? Do you mind if i visit?
  • + 5
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: southern California, we even have a park nicknamed "MILF" park, at one of the trail heads.
  • + 2
 @vonroder77: True story - though it is often bereft of MILFs - but the nearby trails are usually teeming with loveliness.
  • + 2
 @herzalot: yes they are. LOL!!!
  • + 40
 dog shit > front tyre. Ride ruined.
  • + 11
 Dude, happened this morning. Really short, steep climb with a couple turns, so there is like only one line through that section - and some ass let their dog crap there just over a little blind crest and didn't pick it up. I tried my best to avoid it, but it was right on the line and by the time I saw it, I just couldn't get far enough over. Flung crap onto my water bottle, too. Now my garage stinks. Dammit.
  • + 61
 On behalf of good boys and good girls everywhere I apologize for these bad owners. I'd pick them up myself but I get scolded because I usually eat them.
  • + 5
 Ugh, terrible. But I'd rather have it on my tire than on my shoe. Shit is so gross.
  • - 1
 @mikelevy: I'd rather have shit on my tire, shoe, or face than have shit in a bag on the trail.
  • + 7
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: Not sure if I agree with you about having it on my face, but I'll take it on my tire or shoe rather than it be in a bog on the trail. They should have just left it or pushed it off the trail with a stick. Idiots.
  • + 2
 @mikelevy: better yet, collect it all and start making a biodegradable moon-booter!
  • + 5
 I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than have dog shit left in a bag near a trail
  • + 3
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: A giant shit lip!
  • + 5
 @mikelevy: nothing sticks more than shit to a 5 10 sole
  • + 0
 @felimocl: what about a 5 10 sole to a 5 10 sole?
  • + 2
 I ran through a fresh pile with a fresh Shorty a few days ago... those fresh spikes grabbed that fresh poo and flung it on everything behind the front tire... my wife sure thought it was funny...
  • + 1
 @mikelevy:
Dog shit on tyre sometimes = dog shit on face. Those are the worst days
  • + 38
 All those cars I see with "Levy on Board!" decals
  • + 18
 Please take a photo and send to me.
  • + 1
 what even is this?
  • + 2
 @ckcost: All the bad fumes. So good!
  • + 34
 Other riders opinions about others riders bikes. Ride your shiat, I'll go ride mine
  • + 8
 True that! Not everyone can afford a new bike or even an up to date one. Respect riders because they ride.
  • + 17
 Hhmm, but a guy like myself is full of opinions about other people's bikes, some of them not positive. But I'd never shit on someone for having an old bike or anything like that.. it's just that people's choices are SO interesting! I guess the key is respect and tact, eh?
  • + 76
 @mikelevy: i use to get judged a lot. I came into this sport weighing 320lbs. Im now 6 years in and 205lbs. Lost it all riding. So many people judged my fat ass trying to jump..hit drops..shred as a fat guy. Now I can do it all.

Ive seen too much segregation in this sport. I just want to ride and enjoy everyones bikes and opinions. Dirt saved my life. Literally
  • + 29
 @Biocoug1: 320 to 205! f*ck yes, dude. Ride bikes, skid, smile.
  • + 13
 @Biocoug1: Congrats on the weight loss buddy, f*ck the haters
  • + 11
 @Biocoug1: Much respect to you brother! Keep it up!
  • + 5
 @Biocoug1: congrats dude, best comment I've read in ages.
  • + 6
 The only opinion about someone else’s bike I’d ever verbalize would be either something totally positive, or a negative comment about a speaker strapped to their bike. If you’re going to rape my ears, I may return the favor.
  • + 4
 @mikelevy: I’ve had some people shit on my old cannondale prophet at races but on the local trails people love it.
  • + 1
 @nuttypoolog: but what if there playing some good old rock.

On the note of annoying music at all of my races this year shitty music was blasted all day, there was no escape
  • + 2
 @BrianRichards: Screw 'em. It wasn't a perfect bike, but it was ahead of its time. Probably still a fun machine, too.
  • + 31
 $1,000 forks that suck and need some aftermarket internal second party $300 dodad to make it feel like a $1k fork. Tire prices over 60 bucks. Carbon hype. Special mineral oil. $40 socket for fork air cap. Lazy mechanics because your a mere mortal.
  • + 2
 ... We're talkin' about Pikes, right?
  • + 28
 Arrogant horse people. Not talking about the ones who politely ask you to dismount, but the ones who look at you as though the only reason you ride is to scare their horses and get them bucked. I get it, my bike scares your horse. But if I get off my bike, move to the side of the trail, and wait for you to pass, don't turn your nose up at me and act like I'm the one being a jerk.
  • + 18
 Be overly nice to them to a point of sarcasm They love that
  • + 10
 I wish they'd all clean up their shit
  • + 1
 @me2menow: they should wear nappies.
  • + 4
 Moreover the point of horse boxes, or burger vans as I like to call them. Doing 10mph in a 60 limit as Evostick in the back can’t handle the turns. Either
A) strap the sodding thing to the floor
B) stay off the road
C) cook it, rare, they are best consumed between two slices of bread...
  • - 1
 i mean i ride both.... heck this world needs more courteous people everywhere and anywhere
  • + 2
 I had one with a MAGA hat threaten to pull a gun on me last week.
  • + 8
 Word!!!

Having grown up around people that owned horses here's what I don't get:

Let's say I own a horse. I know my horse's training and conditioning are my responsibility. My horse doesn't like bicycles because it's not used to them. Ironically my horse isn't scared of quads or dirt bikes or trucks or insert blank because it is used to them. My horse grew up on a ranch and was exposed to these things from almost day 1. I know my horse, if scared, could throw me and literally kill somebody AND injure itself.

And then after all that, I decide f*** it. I'm going to take my horse and ride it in public and expose it to things that could startle it into killing someone.

AND I'm going to blame everyone but myself.
  • + 3
 @cunning-linguist: option A made me belly laugh.
  • + 4
 @LoganKM1982: well the c*nting things can sit down, why not do that and ratchet strap it, like a car to a trailer! Fackin things.

My mum loves horses as do most of the family, but I can’t see any use for them other than in a bun!

Even if they so much as slip over, their £10,000,000.00 racehorse gets some lead in its face! Why not do that to begin with and eat the prick!!! :-)
  • + 27
 I must be getting old... but here goes, bring on the hate mail....

- Hikers in really wide groups with dogs and kids on tight singletrack
- All animal crap left on trail... looking at you equestrians the gallon sized poo piles suck
- $10k trail bikes... just stop it
- Riders in full DH kit for a XC trail
- Trail Sabotuers
- People with Texas or California plates... sorry, Colorado joke
  • + 12
 funny because we make fun of people with CO plates.
  • + 10
 @focofox37 Don't think you should give anyone shit for being safe. Sure DH kit would be uncomfortable on XC trails, but you can still easily get f*cked up on an XC trail. Rider's choice.
  • + 5
 @rezrov: Yeah I agreed with most other than that. I wear retina-burning troy lee kit on all xc trails cause it's the only kit I've got. And when I spank Lycra-clad-clipless-pedal-rocking XC riders I smile and wave as I pedal by them looking like an asshat. Ask me if I care.
  • + 15
 How about jerks who criticize people for wearing safety gear?
  • + 4
 @friendlyfoe: just what i wanted to add. A friend of mine wheres all kinds of gear when riding Bikeparks. On local trails however he doesn't even wear knee pads or gloves. Maybe things are different for him but in my experience trees and Rocks are just as Hard and unforgiving outside the bikepark.
  • + 3
 @Muckal: Rocks are super hard and trees surprisingly don't have much give. I am one of the few people who wears a full face on my local downhill trails. Pedaling up with it sucks but all it takes is tucking the front once to have my face rearranged. I just tell myself that if I spend the next 30 years carrying it only to need it once it will be worth it.
  • + 27
 Riders that ride around or over fallen branches or trees without even trying to move it. Can't tell you how many times I've come across fallen debris on the trail and seen tracks off into the bush to avoid it, I'll stop and see if I can move it and can move majority of debris by myself or with a hand. It's simple people, just try for crying out loud! There are no trail fairies magically clearing the trail!
  • + 11
 Agree, unless said tree/branch/rock is large enough to now become a feature itself.
  • + 3
 My favorite are the hikers that walk over said debris and do nothing about it.
  • + 2
 Yeah! I hate it when they intentionally put debris on those sick inside lines I skid-in straight down through sections of switchbacks!

Kidding! Not only do I agree with removing branches and riding the trail instead of making it wider, but also I do not understand why jackasses cut turns. Is it Strava???
  • + 2
 I wish I had time to dig, but I don't. I do have time to move branches off a trail after a wind storm. If you don't have time to do even that much for your local trails don't bother riding.
  • + 1
 @nuttypoolog: I swear it’s Strava. There are guys that have crazy low Strava DH times, but since people started throwing slash between the switchbacks stopping the cutting the trail, you don’t see those times replicated by the same people.
  • + 23
 When you let someone pass and they don't say thank you, because that half a second of breath is too much effort... Aaaaaargh!
  • + 2
 Agreed! Or at least wave, or even nod. Like holding a door for someone.
  • + 1
 That and & I've been fixing a flat way out in the woods by myself and someone comes by and won't even look at me, let alone say hi or see if you are OK.
  • + 1
 @mtbschrader: I do think mtb is pretty friendly though - most people will say hi and check you're OK. That's why the few who don't do it stick out so much.
  • + 21
 This is probably a bit nitpicky... but the baby on board signs aren't there to let people know that you're proud parents, they're there so that in the event of an accident First Responders know there is a child in the vehicle.
  • + 31
 My boss uses hers so she doesn't get pulled over in the car pool lane
  • + 24
 Fair enough, that does make sense. But I'm willing to bet that 90% of the parents who put that sticker on their vehicle aren't thinking that Smile
  • - 3
 I have a booster seat in my sweet new SUV so I can park in mother an baby bays an not get my rig doored by some prick end
  • + 21
 Yeah right, and all the people sporting those signs remove them when the kids aren't in the car, that way the emergency services don't waste their time looking for babies that were never there.
  • + 15
 Those 'baby on board' stickers let other road users know they are a crazy driver who will cut you off and swap lanes and drive in a manner completely disregarding the lives of you and your own loved ones. Just my observation.
  • - 1
 BS
  • + 4
 Is that a Canuck thing because I've never heard (or thought of) that down here. Smile That stated I don't know if the new "Baby up in this bitch" stickers are meant for first responders but I sure got a chuckle the first time I saw one.
  • + 20
 Kids who tell me I should frame mount my pump/tubes/ levers

I haven’t lost a single pump off my bike since I got my first hydration pack. I haven’t had mud encrusted spare tubes or missing tire levers either. My Dakine drafter pack has been riding longer than some of these kids.
  • + 3
 With you on that one squire! :-) I had to retire my last 10 year old drafter pack as I’m such a sweaty beast I’d ruined all the zips with salt! But will always rock a bag.
  • + 15
 The folks who buy ultra-light carbon cranks and titanium rotor bolts to save 200 grams, then strap a pound of tools back on the bike.
  • + 1
 @just6979: It's all about weight allocation bro! Don't you know that some teams add lead weights to improve balance?!

All of that weight could be saved by taking a shit and a piss before and during your ride. Nobody seems to think that a typical water bottle has at least 800g of weight that ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
  • + 2
 Copy that. My current pack is 12 yrs old and counting. Use, empty of items, wash, repeat.
  • + 3
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: if you shit during your ride, do you put it in a bag and leave it on the trail to pick up on your way down?
  • + 1
 @lightsgetdimmer: if you turd during your ride, there’s something up! Always have to have an excitement poo for riding before leaving the house!
  • + 3
 @lightsgetdimmer: I wish I had a specialized, that's one heck of a good use for the SWAT box!
  • + 1
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: tru dat
  • + 21
 Entitled riders who think the rules of the trail don't apply to them, AKA Strava bro's. We're all out here to have a good time, chill.
  • + 1
 the worst
  • + 2
 welcome to Bend Oregon
  • + 1
 IN THE NAME OF STRAVA GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!!!!!
  • + 20
 People blasting music on an external speaker out on the trails! I hate It! Now get off my lawn!!!
  • + 21
 the price of chainguides
  • - 3
 Plenty of less expensive options out there now. How cheap to you want them to be? $5?
  • + 1
 This is for sure.
  • + 18
 Fckin reverb dropper posts. Unreliable in the cold, service regularly, even damn friend lifts up my bike by the seat causing it to fail. Crummy ifp design.
  • + 16
 Wheel size preachers Flat pedal haters SPD haters Carbon haters Carbon lovers Strava haters Strava lovers Keyboard riders who regurgitate internet opinions without any actual knowledge or experience that might earn them the right to type.
  • + 18
 Hikers runners going up double black diamond trails
  • + 14
 Bikes with bottle cage mounts that don’t have bottles.
Tyre logos that don’t line up
Proper bikes that don’t have chainguides, e.g Trail bike to DH bikes
Axles that aren’t cinched in place by bolts
Non black finishing kit
Short chainstays on otherwise fast bikes
Tyres that don’t seat easily
Unsprung weight
People that say forks
BS comments such as “smaller bikes are more fun” “You can run XC pedals on a dh rig” “My brakes are too heavy”
If you want to argue about any of these come and fight me
  • + 1
 Cracked me up!
  • + 8
 Oh man, I was having a good laugh at what others find annoying, but then you reminded me of "forks"... That just incites rage. There's ONE fork on your bike. ONE. SINGULAR. Smarten up!

I wonder how those people give directions when there's a split in the road or trail... "Uh, yeah, you're gonna go 1.5 miles east and stay right at the forks." "All of them?" "No, the one you come to." "But... ah f*ck it."
  • + 13
 Small bikes are more fun (for me), and I run tiny, lightweight pedals on every type of bike Wink
  • + 5
 You would really pry hate the fact I rode with my rear tire the wrong direction for over 6 months because I was too lazy to fix it. The shop actually fixed it when they replaced a spoke Smile .
  • + 5
 @MTBrent: Sorry man, us non-native English speakers learn the lingo from the way it is written in (web) magazines. Someone must have started doing it wrong then. I thought it was like pants, jeans, trousers etc. Two legs, see? Only Cannondale and USE make a fork. But I'll try to do it right from now on Smile !
  • + 3
 @AGR97 What if we called them front shocks instead?
  • + 4
 @EgoLicentia: Bump sticks. Boingers.
  • + 1
 @vinay:
Chain reaction cycles...
Most say forks...
But shocks are distinctly singular.

In a world of search engine optimisation I wonder if 'forks' is the more widely used term, right or wrong
  • + 1
 @Braindrain: it must be a UK thing.

Never occurred to me before even. But I'm pretty sure most I ride with say forks.
  • + 1
 @alexhyland: Ah, funny. Apparently it is a UK vs VS thing then. Usually when I communicate with a Brit, write "favourite tyre colour" etc, when I write to an American this becomes "favorite tire color". Should mind my forks vs. fork too now then. I view this as an international mountainbike website with some form of English as the primary means of communication. Never realized something written wrong/different could turn into a pet peeve.

That said, I don't think I ever discussed tyre colours with anyone Wink .
  • + 1
 @vinay: haha I wouldn't let it worry you too much
  • + 13
 I have a couple that come to mind right now:

1) people who vandalize trails specifically my hand painted trail signs
2) disrespectful dirt bike riders that tear up mountain bike only trails (as a note where I'm from this is a very small percentage of an otherwise extremely considerate group)
3) ever-changing standards that provide minimally marginal gains
4) the ergonomics of a SRAM rear shifter
5) Shimano's inability to update products
6) 1x chain line issues
7) free hubs going in the middle of a ride when you the furthest from home
Cool bike companies claiming that they've made their frame a certain percentage stiffer against no known standard
9) paying a small fortune for a bike that was promised to be delivered on February 15 and I still don't have it
10) saddle sores
  • + 5
 I once I had a saddle sore that was so bad that I couldn't walk right for two weeks, even after I looked after it as required. I even have a scar from it! Anyways...
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: What you doing looking down there anyway!!

Seriously, I had a bitch of a time with saddle sores but have been good for years. For real bad ones my Doctor told me to put a bit of polysporin in each nostril, worked for me.
Now I spray alcohol on everything helps with stink too.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: I used to get the bloodly things once or twice a year. Now that I'm in middle aged man it seems like I've formed a good layer of leather down below and I know don't have an issue anymore. I'm just remembering back to how awful they were!
  • + 1
 @dldewar: 3: I hate standards as much as the next guy, BUT - that's the definition of evolution . If small positive adaptations weren't made, you'd still be a single cell organism.

Unless you're a creationist, in which case, you're on my pet peeve / kill list
  • + 2
 @sup3rc0w: if you're going to kill me please do it with an AXE. Until recently you had two options - one with a 30 mm diameter handle and another one from another vendor with a 24 mm handle. Due to recent research - one of the vendors is now offering a handle that is exactly 28.99 mm in diameter. It is been shown through research that this ends up with a better axe head velocity for chopping up middle aged men - especially when cracking a helmet with a MIPS liner on a direct headshot. We get a long debate about it but I totally agree that sometimes there is an evolution and sometimes it simply a change to move more product and it's a very fuzzy line between the two.
  • + 13
 Poorly designed internal cable routing, bushings instead of bearings for suspension pivots, any more then 4 cables from the front of my handle bar, where the hell can I fit my water bottle, and a small frame bag? As a mechanic, anything that makes me have to spend twice as much time doing a simple job, that on any well thought out bike takes no time and effort.
  • + 12
 When I get a test bike in that has an internally routed dropper but the cable and housing aren't installed, I often want to run full speed into a wall.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: Agreed.
  • + 4
 Why are suspension bushings a big deal? Yes they can develop slop over time but for applications that require higher forces and lower rotation such as in suspension pivots a bushing is actually a better solution than bearings but bushings will need to be replaced more regularly due them developung slop over time.
  • + 1
 @vtracer: You've just answered why. wearing out quickly, noise, constant adjusting. any bike Ive ever had with bushing made me angry. whistler trip a few years back I had to stop twice a day every day and re adjust my pivots, and after 4 days at the park I hd to buy a whole new pivot kit. my current bike after a season of riding, needed a quick clean out and some fresh grease, feels as goods new.
  • + 1
 Frames and linkages without flat surfaces for the drifts and press tools to rest against when replacing/pulling bearings.
  • + 12
 A certain brand insists on using Torx bolts because "the greater contact area resists stripping better than allen/ hex bolts" but then uses such crappy quality aluminium or steel that the bolt heads strip out anyway.

And the Hans Dampf! Is there a purpose to this tyre other than to prevent people committing to either a Nobby Nic or a Magic Mary. "Ya I'd like to buy a tyre that does nothing well please! And here's my $90 bro!".
  • + 10
 I like the old Hans Dampf, but I bet I'm in the minority.
  • + 2
 I don’t understand all the HD hate.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: I agree.
  • + 12
 I ride way more with my dog than with other people. He never shits on the trail and he knows all the tech lines up and over the rocks. If he’s been there before he never gets lost, to the point I let him decide which trails we ride sometimes. He’s never been aggressive with a human, but he won’t put up with another dogs bad attitude. He won’t join a group ride unless I know everyone is cool with it, but if someone is lagging behind he will go check on them (unless it’s me lol). We ride at odd hours and we don’t go to the real popular places or anywhere that involves crossing a road with cars driving on it. He responds to voice commands, a special whistle for recall and a couple of hand commands. Best trail dog I’ve seen and he’s only 5 years old, so we’ve got a lot of rides left together. #Hercules

That being said, I totally understand the trail dog misgivings most people have. We started training him at 13 weeks old, by 16 weeks old he was off leash with me jogging. Less than 4 months later I started mountain biking so we could go farther and faster. If it wasn’t for him needing so much exercise (black lab mix) I’d never have found what is now my main hobby. His training never stops, now it’s more complicated stuff (he’s learning skinnies currently) as well as the odd practicing of the basics.
  • + 4
 Same here. I ride with groups and solo with the dog (lab mix). She's great on the trails, never shits on trail(if she did I'd move it off). She's very non aggressive and wouldn't hurt a fly. Started training at 6 months and now a age 3 could go for 15 miles with water stops. I've never had a problem with her and a group ride, but if someone did, I rather ride with the dog then other people. She's truly at home in the woods and makes you want to ride your bike as she's the happiest kid out there.
  • + 3
 Ditto. Little less strict about the training, we just went off leash on hikes and then introduced the woods. She's great (also a lab mix) and will get out of the way on fast downhills (by running off the trail) and I also let her pick the route most of the time. I will also limit her on group rides to people that are comfortable with her being there.

Riding with my dog is the best, the naps after are even better!!
  • + 2
 "he's learning skinnies currently"

That is awesome!!!
  • + 2
 Just got a whippet X poodle, he's coming up 5 months and is already shaping up to be an awesome trail dog. On his 3rd walk out I tried a short trail run with him , he basically ran about 2 metres behind me all the way and ignored everything (people , other dogs) on the the way.

Had a couple of short missions with him following me on BMX, and one on big bike just the other evening. Right now he just loves to chase.

Got to be honest, I couldn't be happier.
  • + 2
 That being said, he will never learn skinnies. But that's because I hate them.
  • + 11
 "grown ass men and women pedaling bikes in the forest isn't "cool,'' either, so crawl down off your high horse already and realize that we're all just dorks trying to have a good time"

Truer words have never been spoken
  • + 12
 People who take life too seriously. People who rag on other peoples riding and or set up. Just have fun and do you.
  • + 6
 Couldn't agree more on taking things too seriously, especially bikes. We're pedaling bikes in the bush, people, not solving murders or saving an endangered species.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: Funny you mention that, my day job is solving the murders of endagered species....but I don't like to talk about it while riding my bike.
  • + 1
 @MtbPanda: Animals getting caught in my wheels while i whiz down the trail. It was not murder, it was self defence. #surfersdefence
  • + 3
 @gonzoracing: I hear that only happens with 29" wheels.
  • + 1
 Oof. Biggest pet peeve right here. I catch myself taking my situation too seriously at times. Insecurity is an ugly, mean thing. Ironically a decent crash is all it takes for me to laugh at myself and get back in the right zone. I'm a little older and smarter now, I actually catch it before the crash sometimes. Sometimes.
  • + 1
 @LoganKM1982: Especially a really stupid crash, like where you get complacent and under estimate an obstacle. Humbles a guy right up.
  • + 9
 Dawdlers: Those people who just hang out in the middle of the trail bullshitting then as soon as they see you charging down the trail they decide to go.... leaving you to inevitably catch up to their slow asses on your favorite section and having get them to pull over so you can pass.

Trail Poachers: Same as the d-bags above but apparently their Strava is not giving them any descending KOMs but they are certain that they are fast riders. So, in order to satisfy their "little man syndrome" male egos, they wait for you to start going down the trail then they immediately try to follow you as if you are in some unannounced race with them. This is kind of like those annoying dogs that try to bark at and chase cars passing. ---although it is relatively comedic to watch them fall further and further behind you in rage....
  • + 2
 This! So much of this bullshit last weekend during the Fruita Fat tire.
  • + 4
 random racers? That's awful.

On the other hand now I want to put on sweat bands, short 70's gym shorts, get a boom box playing that Rocky theme music, an old rigid stump jumper, some mirrored wrap arounds, a big moto helmet from the 70's with a mullet pre-installed, and race people randomly at bike parks like I'm really, REALLY serious about it.

Kind of like Shane McConkey and saucer boy.
  • + 2
 @LoganKM1982: and Ronnie Mac!
  • + 1
 @lightsgetdimmer: I had to look him up.

Sounds like I found my calling in life
  • + 1
 @LoganKM1982: "playin' it safe ain't never done shit for anybody" Ronnie Mac
  • + 11
 Douche-nozzle dog owners who thing it is ok to pick up their dog's shit, put in those little plastic bags, then throw said plastic bag back down on the trail.
  • + 1
 Cannot agree more. Now it’s dog shit entombed in a plastic bag that will marinate in the woods for decades. Should have just left it alone!
  • + 10
 Don't play music blue toothed to a speaker outloud. On the flip side, I appreciate the notification that your parents failed.
  • + 10
 Rocks being moved on my favourite trail. I completely loose my @#$#@ over that.
  • + 15
 Ugh, this kills me. People who change existing trails or trail features to make them easier. Go. Away.
  • + 4
 You can't bunny-hop rocks on an e-bike.
  • + 2
 I used to launch off that rock into the next section, it wasn't big but it was my.. friend
  • + 7
 Mtb parts are expensive but they break quick or need constant maintenance. Constantly! Pedals, bottom bracket, brakes, chains, derailleurs, wheels! bearings, for the prices they sell them, one would think they would last a great while.
  • + 9
 Aren't pedal bearings the worst?! Seriously, they look like they belong on an RC car. They should be waaaay larger and in the crank arms, but I'm not an engineer, so what do I know.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: What the f*ck is up with pedals?? I have an xtr pedal i can’t fix because no one sells a replacement bearing race. I have to buy a whole new spindle kit.
  • + 3
 @mikelevy: I have a pair of NRG pedals from 2009 or 2010, after nearly 10 years of (plenty of) use, amazingly they still spin smoothly. I swear to god they are the only pedals that have survived so much, I've had others in between but I always come back to the trusty NRGs.. they even have SOME paint on them still hahaha
  • + 3
 @pasteldepapa: Keep them forever.
  • + 10
 The Pinkbike comment section
  • + 13
 I love the PB comment section. Wouldn't change a thing.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: Shit yeah. Bring back carbon V Ali again. That was the best fun all year.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: In all seriousness, so do I. But like the comment section of most things these days. Its devoid of rational thought and intelligence in most people. Which make it entertaining at least.
  • + 6
 Literally nothing. - The people I meet are always amazing - If you're broken down or at the side of the trail people ALWAYS ask if you need help - I get to spend hours outside with beautiful scenery - Even more amazing trail builders and maintenance crews who give us incredible things to ride EVERYTHING IS AMAZING AND NOBODY IS HAPPY!!!
  • + 8
 People that complain on a ride. I was riding with one kid a few years ago, he kept asking how much longer the climb was... just shut up and enjoy the ride!
  • + 6
 Now I don't care about 27.5 and 29 because if that's your thing then f*ckitall. Also it's another bike sizing advantage in my eyes, like the reference to it being a tool. It's the fact that bike companies limited their offerings of, or just straight up abandoned 26 leaving you no choice basically for a new 26 frame and/or wheels. I also want to know where it all stemmed from because last I saw, there weren't dude's drinking beer in the shed fashioning their own handmade 29" rims due to desire before the bike industry caught on or some shit. That's what's "sexual orientation" about it all.
  • + 4
 The 29er movement started with pro XC riders and mechanics looking for an advantage. They convinced their tire sponsors to make MTB tires to fit on 700c road rims. So yeah, believe it or not there was a desire for 29er bikes, it just didn't come from dudes drinking beer in the shed. As with most bicycle innovations over the last 100+ years, it came from a desire to win races.
  • + 5
 That's my point broham, that not everyone is out there riding their bike to win races.....believe it or not, most people ride bikes just for fun. So now because of this, the ones that have no desire to enhance their Strava circle jerk, suffer.
  • + 6
 My biggest peeve is people who don’t appreciate how the sport has grown over the years in a way how many trails we got, how cyclists are gaining respect as users of nature, how great have bikes become and finally how amazing content the MTB media is pumping out.
  • + 6
 I was in NZ a few years ago and saw a sticker in a rear window saying "I really couldn't give a toss who's on board". Awesome. I asked in a few shops if they knew where I could get one. Interesting range of responses, they definitely weren't impressed in the mother and baby shop.
  • + 2
 A local record store used to sell "BIG truck, LITTLE d***" bumper stickers. I wasn't too surprised when they stopped.
  • + 11
 You people
  • + 1
 You're welcome
  • + 4
 What do you mean "you people"?
  • + 6
 Normalization of danger and attacks on protective gear. It should be ok to just ride trails in whatever gear you want. Too many profiles of paralyzed, brain injured people in this sport.
  • + 3
 Totally agree. At least no one is questioning helmets in mountain biking (yet.) Snowboarding and skateboarding, at least in the media, are now almost totally helmet-free. I cringe whenever I see kids flying around semi out of control without helmets. Yes, I realize how old I sound, but with concussions in all three sports I feel like I have an informed perspective.
  • + 3
 @VtVolk: In the UK kids about age 13 have started to not wear helmets. Must be getting it from social media as I’ve noticed it when going places several hundred miles away so not just local. Everyone older has not appeared to have even questioned wearing helmets it has been the done thing for at least the last 20 years
  • + 5
 Constantly changing the standards is very frustrating! When you buy a $5,000+ plus bike and in 2 years its "obsolete" and you are left feeling like your once incredible steed is no impressive. The biggest recent change is the "boost" hub spacing movement. 12 x 142 and for so may years. No that wont do! We need 148mm now so we can run a fatter tire. Seems like the manufacturers could have figured this in to the design of the new frames to match the demand for fatter tires without having to add yet another new hub standard? I get that it forces people to buy the "latest and greatest" tech available. But what about the remaining 90% of us who are on a budget and cant afford a new bike every year?
  • + 1
 So true!!
  • + 6
 People hiking or riding up one way decent trails with their dogs, when you stop to let them go by they give you the look like you're doing something wrong or don't thank you.... WTF!!
  • + 8
 reasonably priced bikes, tubeless wheels/tires, suspension, disc brakes, kittens and puppies
  • + 6
 Idiots who believe dentists are the reason bikes and bike parts are so expensive (no I’m not a dentist) - it’s getting old.
Idiots who still think “what no Intense’s on sale?” is still funny (assuming it ever was)
  • + 6
 People who show up to group rides and immediately point out and shit-talk another rider's bike. "Man your bars are sooo narrow!".
  • + 4
 1. When you can't have a ten-minute conversation with a fellow mountain biker without them bringing up racing, race results, upcoming races. 2. When you pull over so an oncoming rider can pass and they don't thank or acknowledge you.
  • + 6
 When the bite valve on your hydration pack leaks in your car, and you get to trailhead and the entire back of your car is soaked and you have no water for your ride.
  • + 7
 Not enough "biking-only" trails. Seems hikers get all the fun and have way more trails dedicated to them.
  • + 2
 This. I suppose I should be glad we get to ride as many trails as we do, but with the number of hiking only trails outnumbering hiking/biking trails approximately 100 to 1, I do get a bit salty when I have to throw away a descent to yield to a hiker on the bike trails.

I'd never say anything out loud, and I'm as courteous and friendly as can be to hikers, but I really really wish there were more just straight up mountain bike trails.

Oh, and around here, the Park Department maintains and works all the horse and hiking trails, but doesn't touch the mountain bike trails. All trail work is 100% funded and done by volunteers.
  • + 7
 Don’t pin it on us abiut wheel size debate! The blame rests squarely on IFHT...
  • + 3
 There's an argument for that, no doubt.
  • + 3
 I picked 29 and I'm gonna be a dick about it
  • + 1
 @vtracer: I had my aluminum rims anodized taking off 1 thousandth of an inch of circumference in the process.

27.499 is a game changer.
  • + 8
 we put men on the moon but still have flat tires. crap.
  • + 1
 ^^^^ This
  • + 3
 Unless...
  • + 1
 Kushcore
  • + 1
 Are you still running tubed? Because I've never had a flat tire after going tubeless.
  • + 7
 When I’m on a ride and I remember something stupid someone posted in the comments section
  • + 4
 Early adopters who are shit at riding. All they do is go to the trails and talk about their newest stuff with the newest standard. Claiming it actually is better than the old one... b*tch, you don't even lean your bike when you corner. How do you do that? by riding really slow and dragging your rear brakes on the corners.
  • + 5
 Baby on Board signs are for emergency crew. In case of a roll over or something the child could get thrown. Sign lets emergency crew know child on board so they can look for it.
  • + 7
 Yup, fair point, but I'm pretty sure 90% of parents don't put those stickers in their window for that reason.
  • + 6
 What happens when the baby isn't actually on board? People put that sticker on the car but is the kid in the car 100% of the time? Do the first reponders then go nuts looking for a baby who was never there in the first place?
  • + 1
 Do people still run these signs? I remember in 1988, they were ubiquitous, but I can't say I've seen many in decades. I also may not be paying close enough attention.
  • + 2
 @sino428: Exactly.
  • + 2
 @mikelevy: Agreed. It makes sense but it's also the first I've heard of it.

I think it's like blood type. You can tattoo your blood type on your arm here and they'll still check before they proceed with a transfusion. I'd imagine first responders are trained in triage and potential accident victims very well, i.e.: they probably always look for an infant/children/elderly first because of how vulnerable they are to trauma based on size, weight, and age.

In reality I think it's an irritating humble brag so people can be entitled to be MORE offended if someone cuts them off, and so they don't have to be as accountable as other drivers.

It's like people who say they like kids, does that mean they hate adults? Every human life on the road is at risk and priceless. Saying you have a baby on board is kind of irritating.
  • + 4
 Horse shit covering sweet sections of tight single track. I understand multi use trail systems... fair enough. But, dog owners get brow beat if they leave their dog"s shit on the trail, why should horse owners be able to get away with it? Don't give me that "but it's just grass" bullshit answer either. It comes out of an a*shole.. it's shit. Horses riders in a multi use area should have to have their horses wear those shit catcher baskets.
  • + 1
 It comes out of an a*sshole...it's shit. Hahahahaha, love it!!!!
  • + 2
 Exactly my thoughts! However, not everything that comes out of an ass is shit, but let's not be dicks about that.
  • + 3
 The thing that bugs me the most is a crime I've seen commited by both MTB and road riders alike

When you see a rider on say a £2k+ bike wearing all the riding gear £300 Garmin and you spot there running cheap as shit nylon pedals and Nike running shoes that look like bananas drooping over the pedals

It's like they decided to become a cyclist went online and maxed their credit card on a bike & kit and then when it arrived realised there's no pedals and ran out to local supermarket and grabbed a pair for £2
  • + 3
 riders who show up to the ride/race in their ride with their music blaring out....and leave it on full blast for everyone to 'enjoy'......cos yeah we came here to listen to that cack instead of the sound of the woods and the chill of the outdoors.
  • + 4
 $hitty, microscopic, off-center, cryptic markings on handlebars and stems that are supposed to help you align and center everything properly. How hard is it to make clear, accurate marks?
  • + 3
 I very much dislike when people listen to their music super loud on a speaker so everyone can hear their shitty taste in music. I like a lot of types of music but somehow I've never heard a single song I'd even consider tolerable from one of those riders.
  • + 3
 -Dogs off leash
-Dog shit in bags on the trail
-People blasting music on the trail or even worse,
-People using headphones on the trail
-"I'm going uphill, I have the right of way" - this isn't a black and white issue, more people need to take it on a case by case basis
  • + 3
 I ride with my dog but I trained him early and we stick to road climbs as much as possible and/or easy xc trails to avoid anybody going really fast. He has never given me a single issue outside of the first few times when he used to run off with other riders. Once he ran after way faster riders than me so that was annoying as I lost them for a while. He sticks close now, knows to wait when the trail splits if he's ahead and I've never seen him shit on a trail. He totally gets it and stays out of the way of a bike too.

I am super annoyed by other peoples shitty dogs though, just the other day this guys dog was barking and running beside my bike after completely abandoning it's owner down a pretty techy trail. Shitty owners are what gives dogs a bad rap, train your dog properly or leave it at home.
  • + 3
 "Don't ride when its wet it damages the trail!!!1" These trails have been here for years and years, if Mother Nature wants them back, she will take them back. Oh and bikes are of course the worst thing for trails, never mind a 2000lb+ horse with STEEL shoes.
  • + 5
 The popular youtube mountain bikers and the subsequent rise of people who think that videos of them poking around in the woods is worthy of views.
  • + 3
 Especially when they can’t actually ride well
  • + 2
 bad riding and bad edits. All the time with several minutes of getting to the trail or finding the trail head. Might as well film themselves brushing their teeth. AND THEN the riding is horrible, boring, slow, cuts where they walk the trail, and I've seen people lose it when people call out the lack of quality. Seriously, if it doesn't look good to someone that doesn't ride, don't post it. At the same time, I've seen great videos from beginners where they take you through their learning process. Then bad riding is a joy to watch, to a point.
  • + 3
 What's up with all the dog hate? I love riding with my dogs, I trained them to poop way off the trail. They know the rules and are great trail users they get right behind me when I tell them to and most people are pretty pumped when they see me riding with them. Don't blame the dogs, blame the owners
  • + 1
 Couldn't agree more. On the off chance my dog takes a dump in the middle of the trail (probably 1 out of 100 rides) I stop, find a stick or rock, and push it off the trail where it will quickly decompose.
  • + 8
 I love dogs, and I love riding with dogs, but it's a bit too sketchy for my liking. I hit and killed an off-leash dog on a mountain bike trail many years ago, so I'm iffy on dogs being on the trail. Owners responsibility and all that, but they're still animals that will often do only what they want to do.
  • + 5
 @mikelevy: dogs, horses and other animals should be in a nice sauce or in between layers of bread, they are outdated farm machinery and just create poo. Unless you’re blind and have a guide dog, I see no reason anyone should have one, least of all empty the sodding things in public. I think if you have one, it should only legally be emptied on your own property. Your choice to have it, you face the consequences.
  • + 5
 @cunning-linguist: "Emptying the sodding things..." lolol So good
  • + 0
 @cunning-linguist: you sound like a nut job
  • + 6
 @nvranka: Nut jobs are sometimes the best, though.
  • + 3
 @cunning-linguist: Absolutely, those green house gas creating human wunnabees
  • + 3
 @cunning-linguist: Sounds like you are the exact kind of person who needs a dog.
  • - 2
 I here ya. I married into dog ownership and that bitch (the dog) is already 4 years past her life expectancy. Die already so I don't spend my free time picking up your shit and vacuuming up your hair.
  • + 4
 @bvd453: youre a f*cking terrible person
  • + 8
 @me2menow: I am, but you haven't met my dog
  • - 2
 @cunning-linguist:
They have many uses not just the regular bomb dog guided dog rescue dog blah.. Ect
Missis gets broody, get her a puppy. All her time money and energy is put in the dog. Makes them no longer broody. Kids problem goes away. Freedom money and life remain intact. And if its pissis you of say it bit you and have it put down. Can't do that we kids can you. Trust me it works 14 years with my missis and zero mentions of kids I can ride my many bikes anytime I'm not working no hassle no argument no money problems nothing. Total freedom thanks to dogs.
  • + 0
 @markg1150: pretty sure you’re a small minority. For the shit alone, I’d rather not have one. I hope you scrub the trails to remove your dogs turds mind you!
  • + 4
 @mikelevy: thanks chap! :-)

I also landed on one at a set of trails years back, huge German shepherd. It was okay, thought it would maul my face off. The owner was chilling in the trees in camo, so wouldn’t have ever seen either of them. Bee chased around a skatepark too, had to kick the frothing bastard in the mouth 3 times before it would stop trying to bite me!!! The woman’s excuse, “he doesn’t like wheels.” My response was; well why the f*ck have you brought it here with NO LEAD, you thick c*nt?!

I love dogs, so much. Although I can’t eat a whole one... Ruddy things.
  • + 1
 @nvranka: Just a bloke with a sense of humour. Although dogs are dickhead animals, even if the dog isn’t, the owner normally makes up for it, so in one way or another, the shit hits the fan / wheels...
  • + 1
 @cunning-linguist:
Yeah always I hate dog poop too and I never took them anywhere that was busy. There both retired now anyway to old. Always let other riders pass gave loads of space and distance. End of the day a collision is gonna hurt the dog aswell and vets bills suck as much as buying someone new parts.
  • + 2
 @markg1150: Your wife's old man (you) got her a dog. Now you're gone all the time and she can do whatever she wants, with whomever she wants and be happy without dickhead around. Glad that's working out so well for you.
  • + 2
 @codypup: upvote! Leroy is there every five minutes basting her in baby gravy, but he’s chuffed cos he’s picking up hand warming turds in the winter :-) hahahaha
  • + 3
 I hate broken parts. I can deal with knowing a part is wearing out and having time to plan and replace it, but when something breaks midseason I'm stuck with buying a crappy part to replace it to get me through. And until I do I can't ride at all.
  • + 2
 On Slickrock don't expect me to tell you how many riders are in my group. You can see for a hundred miles and ride a hundred wide! And if I don't say"just me", it's just me. So tired of all the math problems and the stink-eye given for not playing along because that's the way you do it back in whatever city you're from.
Also, the last to stop has the right of way. I mean is a 2% grade "uphill"? What if it's rolling?
  • + 2
 OMG I just wasted two and half hours commenting on the pinkbike. I'm taking all the mirrors out of my house. I can't even look at myself right now.

PS ENDURO everything!!!! Really? That's an "Enduro" pair of socks? "Enduro" knee pads? "Enduro" bottle cage? "Enduro" bolts?!?!?!?! Okay, now you're just f***ing with me.

And finally, just complaining about anything at all. Mountain biking is respite from the world, not something to add to the pile.

Seriously logging off now. At least it's not 5 o' clock anywhere.
  • + 1
 nah just things that are that bright blue color are enduro things.
  • + 5
 People who show up for a ride, usually late, then start changing the flat tire they got the previous ride. Seriously?
  • + 2
 Dog crap on the trail does suck, but if can see it you may be able to ride around. The trails I ride usually have some horse crap on them, really hard to ride around a 10 gallon pile of crap that covers the whole trail. I once mentioned it to a horse rider and they responded with " It's just manure" and galloped away. I figure if its just manure, then get off your 'High horse' and kick it off the trail, it would be better to have crap on there boots than on my front tire and face.
  • + 2
 People who ride community flow/dirt jump trails when wet, or walk all over the lips, and never pick up a shovel, broom or watering can. it's a great way to off the volunteers who start off caring then say f it and go build in the woods and the expensive bike park is now useless. reference Flagstaff AZ.
  • + 2
 People who do not respect Resort trails. Pinning it on the dh trail and coming around the corner only to slam on your brakes go over the bars eat a dirt sandwich, break your visor and launch your bike 40 feet because tourists are stopped on blocking the trail. Hitting the jump section and bailing mid air so you don't land and kill the 4 year kid on his mini stride bike with his dad and letting them know that they are on black diamond runs and them responding I know
  • + 5
 Balloons! I freaking hate balloons! I feel like I pick up a truckload of discarded party balloons every ride.
  • + 3
 uh, are you sure those are balloons and not used condoms?
  • + 2
 How about lightning delays at the bike park when there is no storm in sight? So you wait it out and pound too much coffee when you really just want a beer but the lift "may" open again. Or when you find out that half the park is closed because of some race, trail maintenance, weather, or some shit like that. Especially if you didn't even bring your trail bike.
  • + 2
 Diffrent sizes of bolts, like 5mm hex could be used everywhere. Having to buy special tools for one silly thing where the engineers surely could used a standard tool. The overall misunderstanding of what a standard is the this industry, everybody agree on something and use it for a decent amount of time.
  • + 3
 Hanging a punctured tube on the tree like " do whatever you want, local suckers, I am too kool to take it with me, try to tell me anything and I will burst into the ball of urban righteousness"

Rear derailleur as is
  • + 2
 The unworded expectation that if you're serious about and good at mountain biking then you'll find a way to afford really good stuff, like $3k+ bikes or $500 wheelsets or $700 forks. I've been obsessed with mountain biking for 10 years and have become a decent rider, but I still can't afford and don't think I should spend that much on a bike. But more affordable yet solid components and gear are generally painted as stuff that only entry level riders would use
  • + 2
 I am afraid I have nothing to complain about. Flats/mechanicals suck, but if you're prepared, it gives you a chance to just chill in solitude, reflect, and maybe get rained onWink Poorly designed pumps can be a pain in the butt, apart from that, mountain biking is the only hobby that I've maintained for coming up on 30 years, and can NEVER stop thinking about, to the point that it dictates where I will live in the world, and where I will work in a region to be able to access trails easily.
  • + 2
 Who knew trail dogs get such hate? I love riding with my dog. If not for her I would ride alone most days. It's great to have a buddy on the trail with you. So many people have dogs out here on the Sunshine Coast so maybe that's why I haven't got any hate in person? Or maybe I am oblivious. There are also so many trails out here that I rarely run into anyone other than at the parking spots or along the roads.
  • + 2
 Trail runners are my biggest peeve. How hard is it to taking one f*cking step left or right to not get smoked by a bike? Oh no let me go from 30mph to 0 in 10 feet, unclip, dismount, and get the f*ck out of your way through a switchback, your majesty. f*ck trail runners.
  • + 4
 Mother Hubbards who send new suspension off to get "race tuned" always sems to be the painfuly slow ones. The fast guys i know set and forget and then ride.
  • + 2
 Mountain bikers that are too serious to have fun on the trails, won’t talk, wave or smile. Like just go back to road biking wit that attitude.
Fingerless gloves.
Strava cut lines.
Chocolate covered cinnamon bears.

Other than that as long as your having a good time than it’s chill, whether your blaring music, on an e-bike or whatever doesn’t matter just shred, smile, repeat.
  • + 2
 clif bars being so dry. Seriously I'm exercising and parched and need energy now, why is this snack made of sawdust!!!!
  • + 5
 People taking breaks on the trail, then not moving when a rider comes through. Horrible!
  • + 1
 Front internal bottle mounts destroying bike design creativity and genuine peformance improvements. Did some one say another 4 bar trek clone zzzzzzzzz
Carbon idiot haters who thin its like glass that is usless as soon as it has one crack in it anywhere,and can't be repaired. No it isn't and yes it can.
Skinny rims and tubes. Well done your either 2 stone wet or shit slow and never got faster when bikes did. Stick your 25mm and 40psi.
Discs smaller than 203. Less power more fade less modulation for a few grams. Wtf
50t /12 spd. Seriously walk/hop on one leg it would be faster up hill and spend less time shifting.
  • + 5
 I once had a 140mm rotor on the back of an old Remedy. Hey, I never said I was smart.
  • + 4
 Trail runners who wear headphones and stare at the ground while charging uphill oblivious to anything coming their way.
  • + 1
 The kooks who rest right at the bottom of the trail (and not in the side if it) as if no one else will be coming down. Also, those who think the wide open space of a trail crossing is the perfect place to camp it for a snack.
  • + 3
 People riding 3k mountain bikes exclusively on pavement. And thinking they are so cool. That many of the above. Cheers @mikelevy
  • + 4
 every video for the last three years being some guy just trying to skid into a berm. its getting so old and predictable.
  • + 2
 When people do the superman on the podium(2 empty hands up)...its so weird, and only sport you'll see this.
1 hand up with trophy acknowledging crowd and other on back of competitor for respect.
  • + 4
 My buddies complaining about how much their multi-tool weighs while they ride with a full 3L camelback.
  • + 1
 am i the only one who wishes for an affordable drivetrain alternative to the derailleur? guess bending my new gx eagle in the first two weeks of owning my new bike doesnt help, but theyre so vulnerable if youre shredding fast it seems destined to get knocked out of whack quite easily.
  • + 4
 Plus tires, and guys wearing sausage display shorts while riding those plus tires.
  • + 1
 gt I-drives flexbone, surely im not the only one out there consistently breaking gt's supposed flexbone, guess what gt it doesn't flex it snaps, yes its an old frame but till I can afford a new bike it'll have to do, not sure on new gt designs but hopefully they've since got rid of this design flaw
  • + 1
 Here's one - right to the heart bros:

Dressing up like it's Motocross time, but riding a bike without a motor, then complaining about Electric MTB Bikes. Full face, chest protector, gloves padded enough to fight Rocky, shoes from outer space... and the bikes... Holy Hannah...

Or better, showing up at the skatepark with a full suspension, with 30 psi tires, slack headtube and a HARDCORE attitude. I get it, your shifted JUST to get to the deck of that sort of (6ft deep) bowl. Awesome. Now, stop crowding lip...
  • + 4
 Eating dogs and driving are things that are close to my heart too, but then I am Korean.
  • + 1
 I read it the same
  • + 1
 1. Strava when you and your mates have some banter and the local world cup boys turn up and pull your pants down (love this really, Henry Kerr just put a stonking time down Dead Doe).
2. Strava when people turn up and maintain the trails to such a high standard to get a faster time (great effort Dean, love the new corner but got you back before Henry smashed us out the park).
3. Strava banter than drives you out to just ride that segment when the weather is amazing and you should be cutting the grass.
4. Strava when someone sends you a screenshot of them beating your time when you are at work and they are out riding.
5. Strava when you have a blinding run and you forget to press start but have the gorpo to show how fast it is

Littering, people sanitizing trails, keyboard warriors...
  • + 1
 I've lived in the Forest Of Dean for several years now and I'm happy to see the success the area has gained but please if u are visiting with the family on a weekend or bank holiday DON'T stop in the middle of the trail for a chat or take a pic of little jimmy guess what you're not the only ones on the trail that day. I don't think it's too much to ask that us who regularly use the trails can still enjoy them at peak times, GET SOME MANNERS!!!
  • + 1
 The Insurance that most of the trail chapters in my state use DOESN'T COVER JUMPS. What the fuck... Not that there aren't plenty of jumps...but there aren't many big jumps, gap jumps, and very few safe progressions of jumps. The only real jump trail near me what built illegally and begrudgingly adopted by the local chapter, who proceeded to halfheartedly make on of the gaps a tabletop. If you're going to represent mountain bikers... maybe get some proper insurance and let people build tracks they actually want to ride.
  • + 5
 Bike that creaks. Pressfit, Im talking to you!
  • + 7
 All the PressFit bikes I've had, some for years and years, and no creaking. But I've had plenty of creaky threaded bottom brackets.
  • + 2
 @mikelevy: No you got it wrong there mate
  • + 2
 @AMGoran: I feel like I have it wrong after hearing about so much noise from PF BBs, but that's just not the case in my experience. I also spent many years working as a mechanic and dealt with SO many creaky threaded BBs. Granted, PF was pretty new back then, but we had loads of them around because we were a Cannondale dealer.
  • + 1
 My peeve isn't really justifiable I guess that's what makes it a peeve - but the scene here has never been stronger, tons of people riding, but 95% of them never seem to make it beyond the same set of "trail centers" or a few bootleg trail sites. We have all sorts of back country epic riding within 2 hours and its like pulling teeth to get people out on an adventure. I realize not everyone is fit or has time but I've seen the strava accounts of some very fast racers/riders who are constantly out riding but never seem to leave the County.
  • + 1
 sometimes you just need to pedal from home and leave the car out of the equation mate, im guilty of riding the same shit hundreds of times, but the same trails dont get boring for me trying to push it for more speed, so its just about what motivates you as a rider. i wish i rode more new trails, sure, its just not a priority as much as frequency and time on the bike
  • + 1
 @lyleo: Yeah fair enough.
I pretty much have to drive no matter where I go.
  • + 1
 @preston67: i feel you in that case, im spoiled with rippin fast trails right up the hill from my home, but if you have to drive no matter the destination to go ride trails, you should totally make it more worthwhile and ride new stuff! theres more new trail all the time now, even where i live i haven't ridden everything, its so awesome the amount of legit building these days!
  • + 1
 Riders that short cut straight lines through tech sections!! Wether it's theyre KOM competing or those big wheels they can't control Piss on em Same kinda riders that act like dicks to other outdoor users an give us all a bad name
  • + 1
 1. Roosting berms that aren’t part of your private trail - someone else puts in the hours to buildsweet berm that gets blown out by someone who either doesn’t understand the concept of railing or somehow thinks sending dirt everywhere makes them look like they are a fast/badass rider.
2. Calling bikes weapons - they modes of transportation in spirit, but really just toys in our sport. I am not at war with the mountain or the trail, in fact, just the opposite. To ML’s point, we are dorks in the woods having a good time. So, Pinkbike, Vital, etc. just review the bike and write about the cool features. You don’t need a really bad metaphor to juice up your review. We’re geeks and dorks, tech specs, sticky rubber, and anodized metal is enough to get us going.
  • + 1
 A certain brand insists on using Torx fittings "because they provide a greater contact surface and resist stripping more than allen bolts" but then use such crappy aluminium or steel that the bolts strip out anyway.

Oh and the Hans Dampf - is there a purpose to this tyre other than to fill a gap for those that won't commit to either a Nobby Nic or a Magic Mary?
  • + 1
 Apparently those baby on board stickers are for first responders. Food for thought. For me. Useless tech that doesnt improve rides but forces you into a corner. Littering Bike industry BS. Faking claims and numbers using half the puzzle Too much dumbing down trails for the lowest denominator Too short of a DH season.
  • + 4
 People who don't buy their memberships every year. Support your local trails!
  • + 19
 Just picked up my Costco membership Smile
  • + 4
 *starving student who barely had enough to buy their bike after several years of saving* uhhh can I just do a little trail work?
  • + 6
 Commercialisation of the sport.
  • + 4
 @Lookinforit: labor > money
  • + 1
 New riders on super rocky somewhat dangerous trails with no helmet on or just a hat. Is that hat going to hold your brain in while they take you to the hospital?

You can tell they have little skill to be out there in the first place by the $400 bike, no understanding of trail etiquette, both ear buds in to ensure they hear nothing around them, and just strolling in the middle of the trail even after they know you're there.
  • + 2
 Trail runners on mtb-only trails (where hikers are not allowed), who don't go on the side for you when they know you are behind them and you ask them kindly...
  • + 4
 Strava haters, plaid wool or flannel shirts, neck tattoos
  • + 3
 gnats/no seeums that climb faster than me

cars bombing fire roads

adventure pass
  • + 4
 People that bug you to get on Strava.
  • + 2
 Bike reviews from people unqualified to give them People on the trailhead that talk about really corny bike related shit they just read online
  • + 1
 That and people that hike on bike trails? And people that cycle about the city centre done up to the nines in race gear on a ridiculous looking fat bikes yet somehow must still cycle on the pavement.. you know who you are
  • + 4
 That we use both metric and imperial measurements on the same damn bike.
  • + 3
 Also, Phillips head screws. Not because they are on bikes much, but after wrenching on bikes, it drives me nuts that the rest of world hasn’t switched to torx on screws and bolts that can strip.
  • + 1
 BOTTLE CAGE INSTALLATION! My T handle is too long, my mini tool is too fat, the bolts are tiny! What is the magic tool for installing and removing these? Somebody please help me.....
  • + 1
 Standard L-shaped hex wrench. Ball end even better
  • + 1
 Ratchet with hex sockets.
  • + 0
 My biggest pet peeve consists of all the mouth-breathing cucks who talk shit about ebikes while riding like a little bitch. Where it's more important for their kit to match than to actually know how to ride something more technical than a fire road. Those people are cancer.
  • + 1
 ATVs and dirtbikes illegally tearing up the local hiking and biking trails, and removing features that riders build up. And the lack of $$ and resources, or care by the munis, to do anything about it.
  • + 2
 A small one. But it bugs me when people say a bike is sexy. That would imply you want to have sex with it, which is pretty weird
  • + 8
 Weird but understandable when you see a new Unno or a nice Chromag.
  • + 0
 the assholes and their horses! the big dumb animal drops house size shit in the middle of the trail and the ass riding it, has no intention of kicking it off the trail. then the asshole looks at you like YOU don't belong on the trails.
  • + 3
 Being late for a ride, forgetting some gear and having a ton of mechanicals on your creaky bike.
  • + 1
 Hard tail frames that don't have clearance for a 2.35" rear tire. Sure, it will usually clear, but one pebble stuck in the tread will hit the frame like a knife through a curtain.
  • + 0
 Companies half-assing their warranties peeve me. For example, Intense Cycles: 5 rides into my first Intense frame a part breaks and they send me a new one along with the expectation that I take apart a large portion of my bike and put it back together. Seriously? My time costs money too. If a failure of your part falls under your warranty, stand by it and provide a solution that minimally impacts my costs: time, effort, and literal wallet.

Perhaps the lesson is to buy from more reputable brands. Then I won't have this pet peeve.
  • + 5
 Or those companies that have "lifetime warranties" then call all failures "crash related" and refuse to warranty despite no evidence of impact or crash--- ie. CANNONDALE
  • + 3
 @ppp9911: Majorly frustrating. Friend ran into this with Specialized last year when his seat tube broke on his Tarmac. Customer service's response: "oh you must have crashed."

Seems like it should work the other way around: company should need to prove the bicycle was in a crash rather than the rider having to prove the bicycle was never in a crash.
  • + 3
 Stan's bullshit freehubs made of crumpled aluminum foil.

One failed, they sent me an entire new rear wheel (the 6 pawl design), but it came with only 5 pawls installed. After 100 miles of riding, it's already showing signs of failure.
  • + 1
 What part broke? Depending on what that was it could be fair. Also you bought a bike online direct right? I feel that's fair to send you a new part and not pay you to put it on. You either had to pay someone to build the bike or you did it yourself. If you can build a bike properly you can probably replace what ever broke

Ps I used to work for a shop that sold intense and built countless of them along with owning them and the most recent one was for a friend and it needed the most adjustment of any bike build I've done by them
  • + 0
 @jpcars10s: this. 1k miles and noticed some play in my cassette. Removed the cassette and freehub splines look like they’re 10 years old. If I recall correctly, Stans’s started outsourcing their hubs to QBP. So, I wag my finger at your both, Stan’s and QBP.
  • + 3
 Ah a major one: traffic to North Shore to ride the damn thing, especially on Clark St.
  • + 3
 My pet peeve is people having pet peeves. Oh, and why do I need 3 different allen keys and a torx bit to setup my cockpit?
  • + 3
 Metal staples in bike boxes. More specifically, forgetting to remove the staples before reaching in to remove the bike...
  • + 3
 What about how overpriced the basic stuff can be like 'official' brake fluid and rubber seals just because it's for mtb.
  • + 1
 Those baby on board stickers are actually for the emergency services finding babies thrown through car windscreens during crashes.. Grim right?
  • + 2
 So in a horrific wreck the seat belts break and the kid gets shot out of the car, but the little suction cup holding the sign still holds?
  • + 2
 how many comments would this thread have if it were "whats your FAVORITE thing about MTB?"
  • + 2
 I can't believe that I forgot to include bikes with a bottle cage mount inside the frame.
  • + 1
 Main line berm picnics on UK trail centres - they sh*t me...flip side is fun of scattering em when you come hurtling in with a big grin on ya face
  • + 3
 Bikers. Bikers are really the only thing I don't like about biking.
  • + 2
 Yup. Mountain bikers are the worst part of mountain biking
  • + 1
 I hate hate hate HATE syringes on the trail. There are some nice trails in NYC to the north but you can't ride them because the junkies leave their kits around. Gross.
  • + 2
 Other riders that don't pack spare parts and when something breaks they expect you to fix it....
  • + 1
 The mysterious beings that strategically place boulders and logs on trail corners and jumps,One day you will face the wrath you bastards.
  • + 1
 Horse owners/riders who seem to think their animals waste on the trail does not affect anyone . Shuttlers who shuttle just for the sake of shuttling .
  • + 0
 @mikelevy This is possibly the most successful “opinion” article on Pinkbike ever. I think you should change the title to “what grinds my gears” it’s like a hybrid of opinion and poll
  • + 1
 I know! Wasn't expecting such a massive amount of comments. Loads of great ones, too.
  • + 0
 @mikelevy: Well you wrote something leading people to say what grinds their gears. Btchs love talking about what grinds their gears
  • + 2
 E-Bikers not marking their rides as motorized rides on Strava taking KOMs on uphills and pedally trails.
  • + 2
 1) Unmarked braided trails
2) Two way trails
3) Clique-ish mountain bike groups
4) Ebikes
  • + 1
 how about getting dog dung stuck in your wheels and or getting chased down the trail by the same angry bulldog that made that deposit?
  • + 2
 Mountain Bikers are my pet peeves........so entitled.......generation expectation.......
  • + 2
 Can we please have flats, clips and toe clips. I don't clip into my clipless pedals.
  • + 1
 thats cuz we *click* into clipless pedals.
  • + 2
 Hikers coming up a bike only downhill trail. And the dog shit all dog owners leave on the trails.
  • + 4
 Paul Aston.
  • + 1
 Same here! Jokes jokes Smile
  • + 2
 Horses, like f*ck you and your horse, if you got money for a horse why not go to a place other than mtb trails
  • + 2
 Cliche words just to be cool or people standing inside the tape scoping lines during practice blocking your own line choice.
  • + 2
 Endurbro's where everything they ride is enduro sweet/epic/sick/rad. Feck off you cretinous feck stains
  • + 2
 Having to carry a tube covered covered in sealant after you have gotten two punctures. Frown
  • + 2
 XC/Roadies riding dirt are too fit. Hate riding with them unless things turn to the down.
  • + 1
 @mikelevy
Those baby on board stickers are to alert first responders there is a baby in the car the have to look for/care to. Not so you dont drive like an a*shole.
  • + 1
 Spandex, dumbing down trials, strava dicks, and my all time biggest bugaboo is people riding with music. It’s always some cheesy dickwhistle type of band playing too.
  • - 1
 Trail dogs. That's one of my 'pet' peeves. Fecking stupid and dangerous. Another, people dumping rubbish trail side. You carried it up there when there were contents in the packaging, now it's empty thus extremely light so carry it back down and bin it! God, stupid AND lazy. What a pathetic human to be.
  • + 4
 E-FUCKING-BIKES. Mopeds.
  • + 2
 Poorly written/designed (or non-existent) service manuals....and DOT brake fluid
  • + 1
 Or what about how many high-end components don't come with rebuild and REAL service instructions rather than what I suspect is the minimum they're required to include by law.
  • + 2
 Or how every individual Shimano component comes with a fold-out 4'x6' poster that tells you how to set up the front derailleur for your triple crank in 13 languages!
  • + 1
 @mikelevy: to be fair though the Pike service manual is satisfactory. Can’t think of any others...
  • + 3
 amateur racers with athlete accounts
  • - 1
 I hate when product reviewers tell you the new updated wiget basically outperforms your wiget you bought a year ago for (insert large amount of money you really could not afford to spend. . And your widget is a piece of out of date s8&*&&t. Now everytime you ride you feel inadequate. Or is that just me
  • + 8
 Things often get better as time passes; not always, but usually. Bikes and gear improve, but it doesn't mean you need to buy the new widget. I'd argue that the pressure you (might?) feel to upgrade is the root of the issue, not the widget itself Smile
  • + 3
 Aren't products supposed to be improved?
  • + 1
 Having to clean my bike. . Seriously, if I ever get rich I won't have a house cleaner or a butler, but I will pay some dude to clean my bike for me once a week.
  • + 3
 Getting passed by an Ebike?
  • + 2
 Hiking my bike up for hours, then doing a descent in 10-20 minutes. I guess mountains just aren't as big on the way down...
  • + 1
 A little late to the party here, but I'm pretty over the one-year expiry date that comes on all mountain bikes as soon as you break the hermetically sealed package.
  • + 1
 its ironic that Mike rips on the down-country article because the most propped comment on it is a troll about wheel size.....
  • + 9
 Also, I wrote the down-country article Wink
  • + 1
 When people log the multi-use xc trails and leave the mess all over the place. Very difficult to walk around and damn near impossible to ride over!!!
  • + 1
 Riders that pass you on long smooth descents on their triple front rings and then slam on the brakes in the first turn or technical bit that comes up are annoying.
  • + 2
 Also riders you have caught up on the trail then trying to speed up and stay in front. Mate you were caught up with that means the guy behind you is faster, just pull to the side and let them pass.
  • + 2
 American whinging about not having access to trails they didn't build... shnap
  • + 3
 Torx bolt when everything else is Allen.
  • + 1
 This... Why were torx bolts invented?? They are obnoxious and just add the need for another tool...

Hex bolts were doing just fine.
  • + 2
 people that ride really nice bikes, and don't know jack shit about how to maintain them.
  • + 8
 I’m not in that category, but these people keep the shops alive that you probably use once in a blue moon, but save our butts when we need something urgently not to miss out on a hero dirt ride. Perspective.
  • + 2
 @cunning-linguist: i meant more like people that buy really nice bikes and don't take care of them at all
  • + 3
 So I have the money to ride nice bike but can't because I don't know yet how to maintain them? So I should buy a lower end bike? I better learn fast then :/
  • + 8
 I fall into this catagory. but mostly because i don't have the time or space to dedicate to learning how to do some of the major maintenance required. Studio apartment...very limited freetime. I'd gladly give some cash to support a local bike shop and know it's done right. Doesnt mean i wouldnt like to know better...but it requires resources i dont have.
  • + 11
 So people who like nice things but don't like to work on said nice things? Hhhmm, not sure if I agree with you on this one. I mean, not everyone is mechanical or even wants to be, and while a lot of us look at bikes as just being bikes, some people are intimidated.
  • + 5
 Does this apply to other high-price, high-performance luxuries? Would one be obligated to know how to fix his Porsche if it broke down? Don't get me wrong -- nothing wrong with it if you can do it, but you can't know how to do everything.
  • + 6
 Those are the most important people to the bike business. They’re keeping the WHOLE THING afloat.
  • + 2
 @Everyone who is replying: i should have phrased differently, i meant people who have really nice bikes and don't take care of them at all. To your porsche analogy, it would be like someone buying a carrera GT and never changing the oil. when i ride with friends that have $8-10k bikes and don't clean their bikes after muddy rides, so the dirt just sits on their drivetrain and suspension.... that bugs me
  • + 3
 This falls into the category of, "Doesn't affect my ride." So I say live and let live
  • + 2
 @IsaacO: been there. So glad to have a shop space after decades without one.
  • + 1
 @mountaincross: yeah, and theres no shortage of mountain bikers who will judge you for not being your own mechanic.
  • + 2
 When I’m on a ride and I remember something stupid someone posted in thr comment section
  • + 1
 trails being closed when they been open for years before mountain biking was a known sport.
  • + 1
 Pedals without wrench flats. Terrible if you travel with your bike or switch between flats and clipless.
  • + 1
 Just pack the big 8mm allen instead of the 15mm wrench.
  • + 1
 @acali: 8mm hex always results in lost skin from knuckles. Everytime. Much harder to do without slamming your hand against the frame or chainring.
  • + 1
 Park Tool ht-8 "Specially designed for cranks and pedals"
I have better luck freeing pedals without knuckling with that tool than a flat wrench.
  • + 1
 @dthomp325: Bike on ground, 8mm parallel to the ground (would be pointing to the rear of the bike) and push down with your foot if it's really stuck, no way to get hurt that way.
  • + 1
 Everything. More people people should road bike. And get ebikes. And not ride on Saturday morning.
  • - 1
 The overly serious bros that show up to the bike park fully kitted out and cut everyone off trying to ket KOM's. Chill. And the joeys who jump infront of you just to get passed 20 seconds down the trail.
  • + 9
 Do you not see the irony in being upset about being passed, and wanting to pass people who might not understand that you're waiting at the trail head because a slow rider just dropped in?
  • + 1
 @NaughtybyNorfolk: I'm talking about the asshats that pass unsuspecting people without calling a pass or giving enough room, and also the people who hop on a trail that is clearly posted as higher than their skill level and choose to go infant of everyone else. Not ironic, just a two way street. just wish people would ride with respect and within their skill level. way too many heroes at the bike park.
  • + 2
 Getting Robbed and or stabbed on our East Coast urban wasteland trails
  • + 2
 Those people that ride 10k bikes and struggle on green trails...
  • + 1
 Xc guys riding black trails and then rolling over the jumps and knocking lips off.
  • + 2
 Paid promotions on Seths bike hacks YouTube channel
  • + 0
 he has to make money somehow
  • + 2
 Not so much the paid promotions, as the products themselves. Seems he always picks the shittiest off-brand things to promote...
  • + 3
 You still watch that channel? After learning how to do jumps from his tutorial i pretty much stopped watching the channel. There are better channels out there for bike repairs.
  • + 8
 Mountain bike lifestyle YouTube channels in general (BKXC, Singletrack Sampler, Bobo) are pretty lame in general IMO.
  • + 2
 @SangamonTaylor: Gmbn is the shit not lifestyle tho. I like Will Greenfield thats more lifestyle some proper riding
  • + 3
 @SangamonTaylor: BKXC gets to travel in very nice places around the world but he can't ride for shit. I don't get why he's even popular.
  • + 2
 @onetrykid: hes popular for his videos, not his riding. he's not a pro biker you know...
  • + 2
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: does he pick the shittiest, or do the shittiest pick him and he says 'yes' to money? diamondback and box is still much cooler than anything the rest of us promote for work!
  • + 2
 @Asmodai: I don't have a problem with him doing the paid promotions, but he doesn't disclose a lot of the paid promotions that he does. I had spoken to him about this in one of his streams and only disclosed the paid promotions in the next video, he has not continued disclosing paid promotions as is required in the YouTube guidelines other than in that one video
  • + 2
 @dtrotter: oh, i know he's not pro. out of the more popular youtubers(Singletrack Sampler, Seth bikehacks, Phil Kmetz), he's probably the least skilled. he just has the money to travel to great places and ride. He's more of a travel vlogger than he is an MTB rider.
  • + 1
 @dtrotter: Ha HAA! Speak for yourself!
GO BUY SANTA CRUZ/DEVINCI/PIVOT/NORCO NOW!
  • + 4
 @SangamonTaylor: Phil Kmetz is the only good mountain bike lifestyle channel because he can actually ride a bike unlike all the other guys
  • + 4
 @onetrykid: he also gets bikes that he can’t set up himself or ride to their full potential
  • + 3
 @onetrykid: He's unemployed and doesnt have the money. He lives off his patreon subscribers and "E-begging".
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 @AMGoran: Will Greenfield is one of the few people regularly posting good mountain bike edits to youtube, its a shame he doesn't have a whole lot of viewership considering the quality of his videos
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 @SangamonTaylor: seth was pretty good back in his heyday, but seems to have run out of content not provided by his sponsors, all the others just post pov crap. The two exceptions are Alex Chamberlain, a privateer enduro racer, and Will Greenfield, who posts pretty good edits
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 @TheSlayer99: Alex Chamberlain as well
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 I hate riding with people who are in much better shape than I am.
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 I am one or two stem adjustments from stripping out my Thomson stem bolts, please at least go back to 4mm bolts Shit!
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 Mountain Biking....pet peeves??? Those just don’t belong in the same sentence ????
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 The fact that there is two ways to spell tire/ tyre in the same language.
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 Nah, there's only one way to spell it: tire.
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 Yes, that's my favourite way to spell it.
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 @mikelevy: Are you tired? Get some sleep
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 A LOT of MF'ers need to lighten the FK up
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 People who dig shortcuts on trails to improve their Strava times.
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 Ticks and lyme disease.
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 Strava wankers
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 People who steal bikes! People who buy obviously stolen bikes!!
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 People who comment on Pinkbike.
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 my biggest pet peeve is they build HUGE features (jumps gaps) that are used once, never used or ridden again.
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 That fact that a light, efficient, gearbox isn't available yet. Yes, the Pinion is cool but it still needs lots of refinement before it replaces the derr and cassette
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 Oh so the gearbox you’ve bitched for years shows up. But now it’s not good enough for you. So of course you’re not spending the money that you all acted like you would.
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 @jflb: 1) I haven't bitched about it, please point out any time that I have. 2) Pinion is out, and I have ridden it. It's nice. However, it isn't as smooth or efficient as a derr/cassette set up. Several online articles also pointed that out. It's heavy and crazy $$. Do I want to have a gearbox eventually? For sure. However, If I am going to pay Eagle XX prices or higher, it better perform at that level.
If you want to call that 'bitching', fine. You have a lot of keyboard courage
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 @bman33:
No just regular courage.
Sorry, I haven’t researched your past bitching but since you mentioned it above I took the opportunity to lump you in with all the other whiners whining about gearbox’s they’ll never spend money on.
But if you’ve never bitched about it before then just carry on, my bad.
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 ebikes...
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 ebike.... Cocky rich dudes riding your wheel on single track.
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 Or total joey's in slacks passing you on a tough climb.
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 just let them pass you? who cares how fast someone else is riding...
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 @dtrotter: Evidently I do.
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 It is indeed comical how cocky they are. Good thing the motors are loud so I know to not move over for them.
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 Loose dogs on the trail....
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 whatcha got against Mr. Lewis??
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 Park Baker
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 When someone asks, "how are the trail conditions? Is it g2g?"
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 Oh shit, am I getting old and salty by posting in this thread?
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 Brake pads that howl and don't have any stopping power.
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 Bluetooth speakers. Again.
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 people that call a fork, "forks"
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 Rapidly changing "standards".
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 Weekend warrior spandex
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 I am not sure anymore, Enduro oversize in CMYK scale is the new lycra... somehow in Sweden people jumped on it quickly and went “meh”. Kept the toned down Poc style which can be dull at times but doesn’t look like there’s an odd group of road workers, paramedics, rescue team, police and firemen hurrying up to an accident deep in the woods. In Central Europe CMYK extra baggy style is alive and kicking.
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 Dog shit and litter. Oh, of course flat tires.
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 Considering the 700+ messages there's a lot of pet peeves out there!
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 Press fit BB's, Boost, and internal routing rear brake cables.
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 shitty fabrics in most mtb clothing.
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 N€W STANDARDS!!!
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 Dog shit in neat little green bags ....HANGING IN BUSHES!!!!!!!!
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 E-Bikes and dog shit on the trails!
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 Forgot about those stupid little retaining clips on hope brakes.