While a company's bike lineup could include models for each and every discipline, with each one usually for designed for a specific type of riding, the 150mm travel category must surely be the most difficult to nail down. After all, depending on the type of terrain and rider skill level, the mid-travel bracket that that amount of suspension falls into could either be one man's all-day cross-country bike or another man's aggressive all-mountain rig. It certainly can get a bit cloudy, which is why it's nice to have some options to pick from. The Stumpjumper platform, in all its incarnations, has long been a favorite of those looking for a capable trail bike, but it goes without saying that a lot of riders look to alter the stock build of their steeds to better suit their given terrain - usually for more aggressive riding - no matter what bike they have under them. It is this sort of thinking that their Stumpjumper EVO lineup was born from. Specialized's Sam Benedict explains:
The Stumpjumper FSR is the most versatile machine on the planet, balancing climbing prowess and descending capability. The Enduro takes the downhills even more seriously with its slacker geo and extra travel, while still being able to tackle all sorts of climbing with ease. As these bikes have been ridden over the years, we found ourselves modifying our bikes to suit our particular style of riding. Maybe it was a wider bar for more control or a chain guide to keep the chain in check in every situation. It was interesting to us that many other riders we saw were doing similar changes to their bikes. It was that simple; we saw the need within our families of existing bikes to evolve to give the riders everything they wanted for their style. So we made EVO bikes for the riders looking for a more capable descending rig and an EVO R for a dedicated XC racing application.- Sam Benedict
The 2012 Stumpjumper EVO combines light weight with slack and low geometry that caters to aggressive trail and all-mountain shredders. There will be three models available to choose from; both a carbon or aluminum bike, as well as a 29'' wheeled model that may very well change some rider's minds as to what a big wheeler is capable of. Keene's personal bike, pictured above, is built around the Carbon EVO frame and weighs in at a svelte 24.8 lbs.
2012 Stumpy Carbon EVO details:
• Intended use: All-mountain/trail • All new FACT 9m carbon frame • Carbon front triangle, M5 alloy rear end • 150mm of rear wheel travel • Tapered 1.5'' to 1-1/8'' head tube • Carbon Press Fit 30 bottom bracket • ISCG-05 chain guide tabs • 12 x 142+ rear axle spacing • Internal routing for telescoping seat post • Custom Fox RP23 with Adaptive Logic with Boost Valve, Kashima coating and the all-new Specialized AUTOSAG • Both 26" and 29" aluminum frames available separately • Availability: August/September • Carbon EVO MSRP - $5,200 USD (price approx.)
The Stumpjumper EVO lineup consists of both aluminum and carbon framed models, as well as a 29'' wheeled option, but they all have one thing in common: they are designed and spec'd to better suit aggressive riding. That means that you'll find components like Gamut's dual ring guide and wider bars, but also slacker and lower geometry that will allow skilled, aggressive riders, and those who frequent difficult terrain, to open the throttle up a bit more on the descents. Watching Curtis Keene tackle the trails of North Vancouver on his 150mm travel Carbon EVO put it in perspective; yes, he is a gifted rider, but the bike looked to be more than up to the task.
Wallet friendly EVO:
While the Carbon EVO is certainly a head turner, the aluminum Comp version is bound to be more common on the trails simply due to its friendly price tag. It shares the same geometry as the carbon framed model that Keene is riding, as well as a tapered head tube, 142+ rear end and ISCG-05 chain guide tabs, and comes equipped with a 150mm travel RockShox Revelation RL fork and a custom tuned Fox RP2 shock. The Comp EVO will retail for approximately $2,750 USD.
Big wheeled EVO:
Riders who prefer big wheels, or those who have been thinking about making the jump, but haven't found a 29'er that looks up to the task, will be stoked to hear that Specialized is bringing the EVO attitude to the 29" world with their Expert EVO. The bike will use dedicated 29'er geometry that differs from its 26" wheeled EVO counterparts, including a head angle that is one degree steeper, but you can expect the same roomy top tubes, short rear ends, as well as an identical low bottom bracket, despite the bike's bigger wheels. The Expert EVO's aluminum frame features the same tapered head tube, Press Fit 30 bottom bracket and 142+ rear end as the standard EVO's, but makes use of 135mm of rear wheel travel due to the bike's bigger wheels.
Component highlights on the Expert EVO include RockShox's 140mm travel Revelation RL, complete with 20mm thru-axle (like all 29'' forks should use), a Kashima equipped Fox RP23 with Adaptive Logic and Specialized's AUTOSAG, as well as Specialized's own 28mm wide Traverse 29'er wheels. The Expert EVO is designed to be ridden in the same manner as its smaller wheeled brothers, and thus comes stock with a Gamut two ring guide to keep the chain in place over rough terrain.
The standard Stumpjumper and the EVO versions both use the same frames, but the shock link (the silver component in the photo above) and 150mm travel fork transform the geometry. By using a different shaped link Specialized is able to slacken the head angle out to 67 degrees and lower the bottom bracket height to a ground skimming 13.2 inches.
Keene's EVO, as well as the production models, will sport slick internal routing for dropper seat posts (left) that will make for smooth lines and lessen the chance of damaging a cable in a crash. While production versions will use aluminum chain and seat stays, Keene's EVO is equipped with these trick looking carbon stays from the non-EVO model (right), with the opening just forward of the brake mount designed to accept the Brain shock used on the those versions. The EVO also makes use of Specialized's 142+ rear end, a fully closed thru-axle design that features slots like a traditional drop out to allow for quick and easy wheel changes. The ''+'' refers to Specialized's own Roval wheelsets that use a wider dish, made possible by different hub end caps, that allow for a stiffer rear wheel.
The EVO uses a Press Fit 30 bottom bracket shell, but more interestingly for a lot of rider's will be the bike's ISCG-05 chain guide tabs (left) that are hidden behind the bike's trick Specialized carbon cranks in this photo. That's right - proper geometry, a lightweight carbon frame and ISCG-05 tabs that let you mount up a guide. The EVO looks to let you have your cake and let you eat it as well. Internal rear derailleur routing (right) keeps the chain from damaging the shift housing.
Up front you'll find a massive carbon tapered head tube that will accept both standard steerer tubes and tapered versions like the carbon steerer used on Curtis' 150mm travel RockShox Revelation World Cup. Keene's Carbon EVO was setup for aggressive trail riding, including a 50mm Chromag Ranger stem and chrome, 30'' wide OSX bars.
Specialized knows that the EVO is going to be pushed hard and constructed it with strength and stiffness in mind - the bottom bracket area is absolutely huge
Curtis is a World Cup level downhiller and it shows in the way he handles a bike. He took his Carbon EVO through this rock section faster than nearly any other rider could aboard a downhill rig. Nearly as impressive as Keene's riding was how quiet the EVO is over rough terrain.
Specialized put a lot of effort into making the EVO a capable descender that advanced riders could appreciate, but they also know that the bike will see just as much climbing as descending. It's light, but more importantly, it uses the great pedaling Horst Link (FSR) suspension design. If it pedals anything like the EVO that we tested earlier this year, which it should because the layout is very similar, it should accelerate like a rocket ship.
Curtis' Carbon EVO varies from the production spec, it being decked out with a slew of top end gear from SRAM, RockShox and Chromag. His machine is also sporting a set of prototype carbon wheels that are a collaboration between DT Swiss and Specialized, as well as prototype tires from Specialized.
Pinkbike's take:
There is no doubt that a well sorted 150mm travel bike is capable of some incredible things, but the progression of the breed in recent years has been beyond belief. Not only would the travel-to-weight ratio blow away the superbikes of only a few seasons ago, but we now have geometry to match what the bike's suspension is capable of. Specialized's Stumpjumper EVO platform is a clear example of this movement; it uses the proven Horst Link (FSR) suspension design that they have evolved over many seasons, along with slack and low geometry that is best suited to high speeds and challenging terrain. No, the Stumpy EVO will certainly not be for everyone, but Pinkbike is willing to bet that under the right rider and on the right terrain, the bike will come into its own and be a top performer in what is arguably the most competitive category of bike.
he was riding that lil thing harder then i ride my Demo! impressive..he dances on the bike...and..its weird to see spesh doing press release on a new bike with a rockkshox reverb on it...since they produce theyre own command post..
PS: i work at a spesh dealer..there will be a EVO Comp (cheaper model) that will replace the Pitch (2012 no Pitch anymore) and a bike calle Status that is SUPPOSED to replace the BigHit...SX Trail 1 will be white n black with fox 180mm 36 R fork, RC damper and roval wheel set..there WONT be a Carbon Demo as many people think and the enduro is the same bike with some new parts and colors..ride on
no taper as far as i know, but yes, m5 alu...release is, as always, after the eurobike...end august beginning setember, thats also when the bikes hit the dealers
not sure if it isnt taper..could be taper..but analysing the current (2011) stumpjumper bottom line bikes, they dont have taper, so i think that maybe the cheaper versions wont have it aswell..but oh well, re-considering that its an EVO, then yes, it could have taper..not sure tho, i didnt get into details with the guy..the only thing i know for sure is that they all (even the epic) will have iscg mounts
im not necessarily talking about the speed itself...i could sure easily keep up with him..i just meant that he ride the hell out of that bike! very impressive his style
I understand people like to see these kind of stories about some of the best bikes out there, i.e. Stumpjumper Carbon EVO, but I think it would be more preferable to show stories about bikes that are in the price range of the average rider here on Pinkbike. Not a lot of us can afford to buy an S-Works bike, much less this one. Look more for the average rider, rather than the rich guy who needs the best bike.
whats really the difference between an s-works evo and an evo comp? subtracting down everything, basicaly only the weight is the difference..im sure a comp will perform just as good as an s-works..heavier, but just as good...and they have to do theyr ads with the s-works..because if they do it with a comp and show everyone what the comp is capable of (basicaly just showing what the RIDER is capable of) then why but the s-works anyway?...they have to do it with the best...its just business man..just business..the comp will be just as good..
@ pperini My experience with the command post was that it spanked you when ever you raised it. I think they just opted for the reverb because it is nicer.
@ taletotell; the command post is going to be all black for 2012, im pretty sure thats not a reverb. if it is its only because the rider is sponsored by rockshox. and just my opinion, but the fact that the command post only has 3 different settings is my favorite part about it. you dont have to mess around with trying to get it in the right spot, it just clicks into one of the three settings. no thinking involved
sweet bike. just goes to show, its not the bike, its the rider. i would have never thought of shredding on that bike like curtis was. very impressive. But where are the sx trail and demo first looks?!!!
i work at a bike shop that sells specialized and trek. so i get 20% off wholesale pirces on bikes. but i cant get the bike any earlier than an average Joe, i dont think.
Really, you're going off blabbing about your deals you get when you work for a shop? People KNOW you get a discount when you're at a shop, but to start naming specifics like you have over the web is clearly very unprofessional. I've worked in shops for the past 6 years, and never have I felt it necessary to tell people how much cheaper I can get that bike than they can. EVER.
That's because you still think it is super cool you work a bike shop and get a discount. The rest of the world grew up and got real jobs and knows everyone on the inside gets a discount in every industry. The not discount sales are called revenue. That covers things like overhead and payroll. The left overs are called profit.
What's that you say? Overhead, Payroll, Profit, what?? My low class job apparently has shielded me from the real world, and I guess you "real job" folks have it more figured out. While you work at your "real job", hating on your boss, and wishing you could be doing something you love to do, just remember, I'm the one working on your bike, giving you advice on what part to replace your POS with, and looking up to you on your pedestal, while you undercut me by buying your parts off of Price Point and Amazon. And when shops can no longer pay the bills because of internet sales, I lose my "sweet discount" (which is a lot better than medical insurance, ha!). When the companies that supplied my discount, no longer have people to push their product, that's when your cost goes up. I don't name the specifics of my discount, because besides being completely unprofessional (and looked down upon by the companies in the industry), you "real job" folk would be fired up to find out, that your bigger paycheck did nothing to help you to afford riding your bike.
Geez Specialisd, love your bikes but hate your routing of the cables common sort it out, I would actually buy one if not for this, just unacceptable in this day and age, ya got it right on the DEMO, now stop piss assin around with road bike cable routing and give us a proper Mtn bike cable route will ya, its about time, it just lets the bikes down and been going on for years! Its not rocket science.
With Carbon no excuses it could go internal, keep it clean and mean, and run a cable inner sleeve molded into the frames so ease of threading replacement cables and keeping it quite...Geez Louise!
Other than that it looks dam sexy, but until those cables get sorted I'm only gonna look at the Demo..
I don't get the whole beef everyone has about cable routing. I hate the idea of internal routing. Seems like a serious pain if I ever need to upgrade to new brake lines or something. I through a guard fender over my down tube cables and called it good.
They've done this the cheap way unfortunately. The Evo frame should be unique and then the BB wouldn't need to be so stupidly low. Considering the type of rider who rides such a bike will be running more sag, it's a bit of a cock-up.
So pumped to see this bike as I currently ride a 2011 Stumpy Evo and the only way to make it more rad would be to get it in Carbon - ah ya! The angles and BB height make this bike a joy to descend on once you suffer the up!
I assume that a good rider (whom you are I guess) can take the regular Stumpy then pin and enjoy downhill as well as on evo. At the same time enjoy ups instead of suffering on them... slack HA with short TT means it uphills trails like a drunk coyote, probably making it only a fireroad uphiller.
Honestly it seems as a very niche toy of pretty narrow use, probably the best thing you can have on tight burms and switchbacks, and a bike that can squeeze all the best juices from the downhills on your local trails. So it's fine to have it in alu, great after work bike for someone who hates uphills. But carbon for a micro-DH bike is just a bloody excessive luxury
you think this won't climb? it's really very similar to the regular stumpy. in climbing you'd notice the wider bars and slacker HA but it would still motor up any hill! give this 10-20mm more travel and its the perfect bike for me. i'm with you on the carbon thing though... it's great if you can afford it
WAKI.. one could just as easily turn your comment around... I assume a good rider can take the EVO and pin and enjoy climbing as well as on the Stumpie. At the same time enjoy the downhills rather than suffering them... steep HA and long TT means it downhills like a drunk coyote probably making it only a fireroad downhiller.
I hardly think a 67.5 HT is too slack to climb with. In fact, I cleaned local technical climbs on my first day with my 67 HT Nomad that I never made on my Stumpie w/ the steeper HT.
This looks like a sick bike to me; a 'niche' bike is the last thing i'd call it. And mountain biking itself could be called an excessive luxury.. that's just irrational judgement.. I don't see anything wrong with stiffer, lighter, stronger.
I guess my statement of suffer should be re-written - I mean to suffer in general as climbing is effort - not the Angles of the bike. I suffer up on full on XC rigs too. But now when I start down or roll into tech sections, I feel more confident on the EVO - the dropper post helps here too.
ive been riding the 2011 evo since january and cannot say enough good things about it. even in aluminum it still climbs like a horse, only slightly worse than the 2010 carbon stumpy i had before it(mostly due to the brain valve) and more than makes up for it on the downhills. stock with the exception of carbon bars and candy 11 pedals mine comes in at a hair over 29 pounds. pretty good for something thats descends as well as it does. i work at a dealer and have been waiting for the 2012 catologs to come out(still no sign of them) to get a look at what theyve changed. amazed to see them making a carbon version. looks like an awesome bike but i cant see myself parting with my current stumpy. just the perfect bike. for me anyway, to each his own
@ everyone who disagrees with waki: A lot of you seem to argue with him about weight when he is clearly addressing geometry. Doesn't mater if you bike is light, a slack head angle is going to make your front wheel not track as well. Physics can't be changed. Also, if you have light wheels, it doesn't matter much what your bike weighs for climbing unless you are racing so it doesn't matter if your bike weighs 29 lbs or 26. Light wheels = lively responsive feel. Slack HA equals wheel that jumps off track on the way up and makes skinny riding a bit more challenging.
Now if you get a lyrik u-turn and dial down to 120mm to climb that would make a difference, but you'll chew a bit more dirt with your pedals.
w-e-w. you make a good point. AM is a very broad niche with lots of room for tooling around with geometry. Specialized seems to prefer to run slack angles regardless so it is no shock they would lean towards slacker setups on their AM bikes.
agree with you on the "stupidly low" bottom bracket height. way too much obsession on low bb height where in riding real trails your smacking pedals and guides like crazy...
@taletotell i can see noone talking about weight, pure angles argument here. i agree with jclnv, HA don't mean jack for climbing. you just don't need the front wheel to track! you need the back to hook up and you need the front to not lift too much. that's controlled by seat tube angle. head angle changes the steering speed and stability, meaning slacker is less manouvrable at low speeds like climbing, but that doesn't mean its bad at climbing. for good climbing- tight seat tube angle, long effective top tube length, short travel, light weight (yes it matters. try lugging a 36lb AM bike up a steep hill)
I tried to ride XC trails and singlectracks with my FR/AM bike with 66,5 head angle some time ago. It was simply a nightmare because of slack head angle - bike was flip floping all the time, every stone section on every uphill had to be attacked with max effort to not fall to the side. After few such sprint I was done so no more than 0,5h rides. On less technical uphills on fireroads front wheel was wandering around anyways. Then I tried 150 fork giving me like 67,5 HA, and things got a bit better but still nowhere close to XC bike handling. High cockpit, pretty much as high as on this evo was turning steeper uphills into mission impossible, as you just cannot lean enough on handlebars. Then I switched to Lyrik which I ride on my rails at 120 giving me 69 HA and handling is nearly as good as on my XC hardtail, with a minimal loss (ON TRAILS not in Bikeparks!!!) to downhill performance. However many people ride in much easier terrain that I do, so this Spec Evo might be good enough for them...
I can get up the same trails on an Enduro with a 65.8 HA and a Giant Trance X with a 68 HA. I'd actually say the Enduro climbs better. Your AM bike must have slack SA.
@ jclnv. If you are right that a slack angle doesn't effect climbing then either you are a mysterious anomaly or the whole industry has it backwards. Also those choppers must handle better than crotch rockets.
Seriously though, are you sure your enduro climbs better and you didn't just happen to be having a better day? Also, the set up on your trance x can make a big difference. If a slack head angle enduro climbs better you should seriously consider the set up on the giant and probably revamp it a bit. Consider you bar width and stem length. Are you sure about the HA on the enduro? Did you drop down the fork before climbing or anything? How different is the gearing on the bikes? Seat angle only matters when you are sitting remember. When you are standing is when how well your front wheel tracks is most important.
my SA with Lyrik put down is around 73, that is steep. BTW I just did a small test for the sake of this small discussion. Tried to uphill a fireroad with pretty regular grade most of the way. Started with Lyrik at 160 giving me 67deg HA. I rode for like 15 minutes with it, then changed to 140 for another 15 mins, then to 120 for the last part.
160 - needed to run on the lowest 36t cog, on 1x10 setup, a lot of lower back fatigue, high pulse most of the time, concentrated all the time on keeping bike riding straight. Barely acceptable 140 - less back fatigue, still hard to pedal but I could ride lower grade parts on lower cog. Pretty good handling. In general - bearable 120 - no back fatigue at all (suspected mostly by lower cockpit), pretty low pulse, in flatter parts I could pedal with 3 cogs down. Feels very effective (ndaaa)
got to have it..... been sold after running into ryan from specialized out in santa cruz on the new evo (didnt like the euro color he had), he was a goat on the climb then just a f@!%in animal on the down hill...the evo just looks fun to ride................
Looks like there is a special crown race on Keene's bike that is a little taller than stock (just one more thing that makes this bike far different from the one you can get). If anyone knows where to get a crown race like this one, I want one.
Demo, apart from the ccdb & the colors & the gear, nothing new regarding the design. At least from what I've seen. The Status is something new, indeed. Nice bikes without doubt, but to be honest, the comments were really funny.
There is a lot about this bike that I like. The geometry is spot on. I love a bike with short chainstays. Not so sure about the bottom bracket, but hey I'd give it a try. If this bike was 160x160, it'd be perfect.
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Interesting - I hear there is a another big manufacturer that is about to release their bikes with a carbon front triangle and an aluminum rear triangle.
My experience with the command post was that it spanked you when ever you raised it. I think they just opted for the reverb because it is nicer.
and just my opinion, but the fact that the command post only has 3 different settings is my favorite part about it. you dont have to mess around with trying to get it in the right spot, it just clicks into one of the three settings. no thinking involved
That's because you still think it is super cool you work a bike shop and get a discount. The rest of the world grew up and got real jobs and knows everyone on the inside gets a discount in every industry. The not discount sales are called revenue. That covers things like overhead and payroll. The left overs are called profit.
Honestly it seems as a very niche toy of pretty narrow use, probably the best thing you can have on tight burms and switchbacks, and a bike that can squeeze all the best juices from the downhills on your local trails. So it's fine to have it in alu, great after work bike for someone who hates uphills. But carbon for a micro-DH bike is just a bloody excessive luxury
I hardly think a 67.5 HT is too slack to climb with. In fact, I cleaned local technical climbs on my first day with my 67 HT Nomad that I never made on my Stumpie w/ the steeper HT.
This looks like a sick bike to me; a 'niche' bike is the last thing i'd call it. And mountain biking itself could be called an excessive luxury.. that's just irrational judgement.. I don't see anything wrong with stiffer, lighter, stronger.
Now if you get a lyrik u-turn and dial down to 120mm to climb that would make a difference, but you'll chew a bit more dirt with your pedals.
w-e-w. you make a good point. AM is a very broad niche with lots of room for tooling around with geometry. Specialized seems to prefer to run slack angles regardless so it is no shock they would lean towards slacker setups on their AM bikes.
Seriously though, are you sure your enduro climbs better and you didn't just happen to be having a better day? Also, the set up on your trance x can make a big difference. If a slack head angle enduro climbs better you should seriously consider the set up on the giant and probably revamp it a bit. Consider you bar width and stem length. Are you sure about the HA on the enduro? Did you drop down the fork before climbing or anything? How different is the gearing on the bikes? Seat angle only matters when you are sitting remember. When you are standing is when how well your front wheel tracks is most important.
160 - needed to run on the lowest 36t cog, on 1x10 setup, a lot of lower back fatigue, high pulse most of the time, concentrated all the time on keeping bike riding straight. Barely acceptable
140 - less back fatigue, still hard to pedal but I could ride lower grade parts on lower cog. Pretty good handling. In general - bearable
120 - no back fatigue at all (suspected mostly by lower cockpit), pretty low pulse, in flatter parts I could pedal with 3 cogs down. Feels very effective (ndaaa)
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The Status is something new, indeed.
Nice bikes without doubt, but to be honest, the comments were really funny.
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help me i want one!!!
Yeah that's perfect HAHA